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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: weeks off a Christmas and then two weeks off during

438
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Speaker 1: the year.

439
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

440
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 1: So usually the six weeks camera and I would go away,

441
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 1: like yeah, one time we went to back to Egypt

442
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,880
Speaker 1: and then to Ethiopia, which was awesome. It is amazing. Yeah,

443
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,120
Speaker 1: highly recommend.

444
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 2: I love your sense of adventure, and I also I

445
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 2: love the idea that I think something we talk about

446
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 2: a lot in the show is people's idea of success

447
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 2: and that being kind of the way you measure your life.

448
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 2: And like, how far have I come along? And am

449
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 2: I hitting goals? And am I keeping up with everyone

450
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 2: around me. But I love that. It sounds like through

451
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 2: your whole life you've had obviously had goals and a

452
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 2: vocation and a profession, but like travel and seeing the

453
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 2: world and other life experiences that aren't just like success

454
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: measurements have been equally valued for you.

455
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Speaker 1: Oh, totally been one, Like you know, oh, I'm going

456
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: to be a nurse and then I'm going to be

457
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Speaker 1: like a clinical nurse specialist and like move up the ranks.

458
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,479
Speaker 1: I've never been, Like that's fascinating. I don't know. I

459
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: just like doing what I like to do.

460
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Speaker 2: And that was when you say it like that, it

461
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 2: sounds so straightforward, like do the things that make you happy,

462
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 2: and like just don't do the things that don't make

463
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Speaker 2: you happy.

464
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Speaker 1: To me, that's what I say to everybody, Like if

465
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Speaker 1: you want to do something, then do it. Don't want

466
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: to have regrets totally.

467
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 2: And yet there's for some reason for so many of us,

468
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: it's actually a really convoluted decision making process of like

469
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 2: there's a lot of barriers between I want to do

470
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: it and I should do it, and they shouldn't be.

471
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Speaker 2: But it's funny how like we let our brain get

472
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: so clouded by all the reasons why we shouldn't be

473
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Speaker 2: doing those things. I love that you're just like not

474
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Speaker 2: like I want to do what I want to do.

475
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Speaker 1: Really, I mean I've always been like that, even though

476
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Speaker 1: I remember one time I saw this magazine Simply Living Okay,

477
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: German that was a bit kind of hippie, and on

478
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Speaker 1: the front cover they had a portrait of a man

479
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Speaker 1: from Bhutan. And then in the end there obviously there

480
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: was an article about like Bhutan, and I'm like, yeah,

481
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: I so want to go there. So I did.

482
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 2: You just went next day, bought a ticket.

483
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to do a track. It was a

484
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: trick you had to go through or was it World Expeditions,

485
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Speaker 1: But it was amazing. So that's what I mean, Like,

486
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 1: if you want to do something, they just follow follow

487
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: very hot. Yeah.

488
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Speaker 2: I love that so much. And it's actually Bhutan. I

489
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: think that's the country that has the highest gross domestic happiness.

490
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Speaker 2: Is that it?

491
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a beautiful country and beautiful people.

492
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Speaker 2: So that's still definitely right up there on my bucket list.

493
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: But coming back to that whole like measuring things more

494
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 2: by happiness and fulfillment and joy rather than like success

495
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: and goals, which is really, if I want anyone listening

496
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: to take anything away from this show, it's to allow

497
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: yourself space to measure your life by how happy you are,

498
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 2: not just by all those other things. I think one

499
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Speaker 2: of the reasons why your story is so powerful to

500
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 2: people is that, I mean, up until this point, if

501
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: anyone listening hasn't heard sam story yet, it already sounds

502
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: like there's been a whole entire lifetime of revelations. But

503
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 2: I mean, like, really, from twenty thirteen is another gigantic

504
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: life changing event that makes it even more impressive that

505
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: you have such a healthy, fresh approach to happiness from

506
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: the depths of darkness to be able to find joy again.

507
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: So can you tell us the story for anyone who

508
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: hasn't heard it?

509
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: Of course, So, like, like I said, I love traveling,

510
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: and then so Cam and I had three boys, or

511
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: have three boys, and we wanted to instill our love

512
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: of travel in them. And you know, actually the most

513
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: frustrating thing is Cam and I wanted to take them

514
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: to Ethiopia and Egypt, and then at the time, I know,

515
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: at the time Egypt it was just a bit too dangerous.

516
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: So we're like, no, we don't want to risk it,

517
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: and so that's why we chose Thailand. We thought, you know,

518
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: it's close, beautiful people, great food, and so yeah, so

519
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: we flew to Thailand, flew to Puquette, and then we

520
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: started heading up north and we're kind of have between

521
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: Picquet and Bangkok, and we'd been in tight End for

522
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: only about four days, and we're staying at this really

523
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: nice hotel, like it was right on the beach. It

524
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: was pretty remote, and then one of the kids spotted

525
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: like this, like an observation deck, and so we went

526
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Speaker 1: up the stairs and then I land on the railing

527
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: and it had dry rot, but I didn't realize, and

528
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: so I fell back six meters, just straight down. And

529
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, so I fright broke my back and hit

530
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: my head like sustain like numerous injuries, but obviously breaking

531
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: my back was the worst. Oh my gosh, that was

532
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: my holiday. That was the worst holiday of my life.

533
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Speaker 2: I mean, justifiably, that's not what you want. On day

534
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: four two, I think you fractured your skull, ruptured both lungs,

535
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: and then shadowed your spinal cord.

536
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Speaker 1: Right yeah, so yeah, so I'm paralyzed from my chest

537
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: down like no movement, no, no, feeling nothing.

538
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

539
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Speaker 1: And it's weird, you know because like, like I said,

540
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Speaker 1: I used to be really active before I guess before

541
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 1: the accident. You know, I'd always be surfing and playing

542
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: soccer and mountain biking. That's who I was. And then

543
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: losing my mobility has always just been like like the

544
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: scariest thing for me. And to have that happen it

545
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: was like what, like, yeah, so I didn't handle it

546
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: very well at.

547
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: All, I mean fair enough. It's like something that you

548
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: can't ever kind of plan for. I mean, no one

549
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: sort of gives you a rule book on like how

550
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: do I rebuild who I am, especially as someone who

551
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: is especially active and who does activities like surfing, which

552
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: you don't immediately think, oh, surfing is really easy as

553
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: a paraplegic. Although speaking of your determination, you have since

554
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: gotten back in the water, but we'll make our way

555
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: back to that. So when it first happened, I mean,

556
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: because you you know, have a background in nursing and neurology,

557
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: did you know straight away like did you get evacuated,

558
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: Like how did you get home?

559
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: Well? No, I didn't know straight away. Well, I knocked

560
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: myself out and I had bleeds on my brain, and

561
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: so I was pretty out of it, and I actually

562
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: had no idea. Really, I had no move but apparently

563
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: in the ambulance I kind of came to and I

564
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: said to Cam, I can't move. I can't move. But

565
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of this. So my first memory

566
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: is probably there must have been two days after I

567
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: fell and my mom and sister turned up, and I'm like,

568
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing here? I had no idea

569
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: what was going on. I didn't even know I was

570
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: in the hospital. And then oh, I remember saying to

571
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: mom because I was like strapped onto this spinal board

572
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: and I had this strap going over my chest and

573
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Speaker 1: I remember saying to mom, oh, this is really hurting

574
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: my boods. It was this squishing me. And I remember

575
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: saying I want to get up. I want to get up,

576
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: and I don't remember what she said to me, so yeah.

577
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: And then the next memory is being in theater, but

578
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was in theater, and I remember

579
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: them putting a central line in my neck and I

580
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: hate needles and actually really hurt. And I remember dripping

581
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: onto this sheet just like thinking what And then I

582
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: saw them pull my t shirt out and cut that

583
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: off and then I just saw the mask come down.

584
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: But again I had no idea, Oh my gosh, yeah,

585
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: it's just weird. I think the nurses were like I

586
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: do remember always putting my arm out and they just

587
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: injected some sort of dankil. So I was pretty out

588
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: of it. And yeah, so no, I didn't know. And

589
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: the tie doctors never said that I was paralyzed. Really no,

590
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: from when I remember, they would say that I have

591
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: spinal shock, and they'd be like, oh, you know, six

592
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: weeks or so, you know, it should kind of get better.

593
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: So in my head, I'm like, Okay, I can do

594
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: like six weeks in hospitals.

595
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: Then I'll go home and be me yeah, it'll all

596
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: go back to normal.

597
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it sounds weird, but I just had

598
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: no idea. I must have thought though something bad had happened.

599
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: Because where the accident happened, we will put an ambulance.

600
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: We're driven three hours up to this other hospital. It

601
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: was like a private hospital. It was in a place

602
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: called Wahian. So I was there for about a week

603
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: and a half and then they moved me up to Bangkok.

604
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: And I remember when I was in Bangkok, saying to Cam,

605
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: I wish I'd die, but I meant it though, so

606
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: obviously I realized something was not right. Yeah, yeah, so well,

607
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: I didn't actually find out I was paralyzed until I

608
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: got back to Sydney. Really, yeah, I know it sounds

609
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: so ridiculous. So I remember I got flown back to

610
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: Sydney with a nurse and a doctor. She was a

611
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: thy nurse an Aussie doctor and yeah, I met at

612
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: the airport by ambulance offices and taking straight to roll

613
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: Nor Shore. And yeah, it was the second day there

614
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: and I went and had an MRI. And that's when

615
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: the doctor came up. I remember asking him my mum

616
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: was there next to me. I remember saying, you know,

617
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: we'll ever walk again. It's you. No. I just pulled

618
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: shuit over my head and I burst into tears. That's

619
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: how I found out.

620
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's just I feel like you know

621
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: how you were saying before. If you've been asked what

622
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: your biggest fear in life was, most of us have

623
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: you know some big, huge fear that seems so remote,

624
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: like yeah, it's huge fear, but like it would never

625
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: actually happen. You've actually gone through the process of spending

626
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: your whole life hearing something and then one day someone

627
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: literally yeah, it just comes up to you and goes

628
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: by the way. You know, that biggest like impossible, one

629
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: percent chance it would happen to you. Yeah, here it is.

630
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: I know. I couldn't believe it. I was just devastated.

631
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, crying, Oh it's just cry. I was

632
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: so I think I was so overwhelmed. I was just like, like,

633
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: as far as I was concerned, it was like my

634
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: life's over. Yeah, you know, like like what the hell

635
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do now? Yeah, you know, being

636
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: stuck in well, stuck in bed for like three months,

637
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: but you know that was wasn't too bad. But yeah, no,

638
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: I was devastated. I remember just being so sad and

639
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: angry all the.

640
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Time, and also the whole like I often. You know,

641
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: one of my kind of guiding life philosophies is everything

642
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: happens for a reason, which helps orientate you find the silverlighting.

643
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. But there are some scenarios in life

644
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: where you're like, there is no fucking that I love it.

645
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: It does not make sense in every situation.

646
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: No, no, definitely not.

647
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: And it's interesting that it's I think you are such

648
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: an amazing example of the fact that you know, we

649
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: talk a lot about you can redefine the pathway that

650
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: you have and you can find happiness and things you

651
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: never thought you could. And you know, it's easier to

652
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: talk about that in the abstract, but like you actually

653
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: lost everything that you enjoyed about who you were and

654
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: what your life could be. Yeah, so tell us about

655
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: building that back up again, because not that it's don't

656
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't mean to compare scenarios, but I feel like

657
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: people who might be, you know, born with paraplegia, they

658
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: don't know themselves in a different way, whereas you have

659
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: a clear contrast of like, this was my life before

660
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: and this is what I have to get used to now.

661
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: It's the before and alfter I always to say that's

662
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: my old life. Yeah it is weird. Okay, So I

663
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: was in the hospital for about seven months. That's a

664
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: hospital and rehab and yeah, I do remember complaining. There

665
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: was an amazing guy there. He was a sports recreational officer.

666
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: He was awesome. He knew how much I loved sport

667
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: and all that. He would try so hard. He take

668
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: me to your basketball. He take me to murder ball,

669
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, like that where they knock into each other

670
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: and two throwing a ball and everything, and I'd be

671
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: like no, no, And I remember saying to him, maybe

672
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: I could kayak. Oh yeah, yeah, because I thought I'm

673
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: not in the wheelchair, you know, back on the water.

674
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it was two weeks after I got

675
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: home from rehab. That's when I first started kayaking. And

676
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: it just felt good, like I would just paddle only

677
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: one day a week, Saturday mornings, and that was the

678
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: highlight of my week being just kind of having our

679
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: freedom again. I mean, obviously it wasn't easy, like having

680
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: no core. I'd be like sitting there and I'd be like, well,

681
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: building and just trying to fall out. But yeah, I know,

682
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: it was just fun and it was also it was

683
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: the one day. It was the one thing actually that

684
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: took my pain away. This is the most annoying thing

685
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: about spinal cord injury is like I have no feeling,

686
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: but I'm in constant pain. Really it's so frustrating. It's

687
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: like it's called neuropathic pain, so it's like your nerves

688
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: are guess going crazy, so it's like you're continuously on.

689
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: Fire, so you sort of have no sensations other than

690
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: the ability to feel pain in that area.

691
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not normal pain. It's just like literally like

692
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: you're sitting in coals or sitting on like stinging needles

693
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: or something all the time. All the time. It's like,

694
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: dam give me a break. So that's why the kayaking

695
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: was really great, because I think it was like a distraction,

696
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, so I had to obviously just focused on

697
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: not falling in the water, and it was just yeah,

698
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: it was this. Yeah, it was a good distraction. And

699
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: then I do remember thinking, wow, you know, the pain's

700
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: not as bad.

701
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: I think it's also really interesting how you didn't do

702
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: it all overnight, like you kind of didn't go from

703
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: where you were to like where you are now where

704
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: you can speak about it, and you couldn't have happiness

705
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: in your day. It was real like, Okay, first, I'll

706
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: just do one day a week and then and I think,

707
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: why the story of Penguin and the magpace so beautiful?

708
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: Is it? Because it reminds everybody like it's just those

709
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: really small things that give you a glimmer of a

710
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: new emotion, like a tiny, tiny glimmer of hope. You

711
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: don't need to have it all sorted out in one day.

712
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: It can be one small distraction that gets you a

713
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: little bit closer every day.

714
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, so yes, okay, So I started the

715
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: kayaking and then yeah, when I came home, I was

716
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: like not any good headspace. I think when I came home,

717
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, oh my god, this is

718
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: my reality, this is my new life. And I hated it, Like,

719
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, because we can look like, we can see

720
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: the beach and I can see my favorite serfs boot

721
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: and so I would just sit here and I'd look

722
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: at it, and it'd make me so angry, so sad,

723
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, thinking, and I'd always go back. Oh you know,

724
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: if this was like, you know, this time last year,

725
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: I would have been out there. I would have been

726
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: surfing and you know, having the best day. And so yeah,

727
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: I felt like I was on house arrest and I

728
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: hated being here. I felt like a really bad mom. Kius.

729
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: You know the kids were only little Yeah how old

730
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: were they at the time when it happened. They were

731
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: like seven to nine and oh yeah, they're only like

732
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: a little little and you know, I did everything for them.

733
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: And then so when I came home. I felt so

734
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: bad because I couldn't I couldn't take them to school,

735
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't run and go down the beach with them,

736
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: and actually and really silly things like I couldn't clean

737
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: the house, you know, just really dumb mom things. But

738
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I missed so much and going shopping and cooking, and yeah,

739
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: I really struggled, and yeah, it is sad. It was

740
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: about three months after and Noah and I went to

741
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: my mom's house. She lives at the next beach, and yeah,

742
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: and Noah found a little magpie and we thought we

743
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: she died we left her there, so we picked her

744
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: up and bring her home, and yeah, she was so cute.

745
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: She was so adorable. And then so we called it

746
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: penguin because she looked like a baby penguin. Showed that,

747
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, the fluffy chouse, you know, so I was like, oh,

748
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: it just takes like a penguin, and so, yeah, it

749
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: was just great. It was great for me because I

750
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: actually had something to focus on, and she took like,

751
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, instead of just kind of feelings, not sorry

752
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: for myself, but like just wallowing. I guess in like

753
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: self pity maybe, which.

754
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: You're absolutely allowed to do.

755
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I just kind of put all my

756
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: energy and so did the kids into Penguin because she

757
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: she was so tiny and she needed feeding every couple

758
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: of hours. And oh it was just lovely. It was

759
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: just and I talked to her all the time. I

760
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: would winch to her, I tell her what was going on.

761
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: In my head, because your emotional support bird he was.

762
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: And then because obviously because Cameron's a photographer who was

763
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: documenting this, did he know that he wanted to use

764
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: the photos for something?

765
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely not, no, no no. So yeah, like Cam continues,

766
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: it takes photos, which is fine. I remember saying to him, though,

767
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: I remember saying, if you're going to take a photo

768
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: of me and Penguin, you can only shoot from my

769
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: waist up. I didn't want the wheelchair. Really, yeah, I

770
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: had a few issues.

771
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: I mean, fair enough, you've come a long way.

772
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: And so, as a joke, said to Cam, why don't

773
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: you start an Instagram account? And so we did it

774
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: and it was just for a bit of fun. So

775
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: we called it Penguin Magpie. And then you know, Cam

776
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: would post a few photos and then I think an

777
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: abas C journalist from Brisbane, I think saw it and

778
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: then it kind of went a bit crazy. So it

779
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: was so far. I remember Cam and I were laughing.

780
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so bizarre, Like he was

781
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: getting people from overseas wanting to write a little story

782
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: on Penguin, from India, Israel all this. We were like what, Yeah,

783
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: it was bizarre. And then a few people publishers wanted

784
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: to do is store a book and we were like

785
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: that's just weird. Like we were like, who would want

786
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: to my book with our family photos?

787
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is such a weird content. What do you

788
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: think about it?

789
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then Hypercollins ABC email Cam and then Cam

790
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: message Bradley Trevor Grieve, who actually wrote our books.

791
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: I love was the author.

792
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: You know. Cam was kind of like, what do you

793
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: think you know about telling our story? And then I

794
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: think it was like twenty four hours later Bradley wrote

795
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: back and he said, I'll tell your story okay. So

796
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: he was making Penguin almost like a like a vessel.

797
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, like to tell my story,

798
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: like he was telling my stories through Penguin, which sounds odd. Yeah,

799
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: but it was really cool. I mean I'd never met Bradley.

800
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of perfect timing for me because I was

801
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: still like, you know, pretty I was not happy, and

802
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: I hated always wing into Cam because he had enough

803
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: and he had to obviously look after me and the boys.

804
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: And so it was really nice talking to Bradley with

805
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: Scott like almost every day for hours, and I would

806
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: just yeah, just tell Bradley every scene how I was feeling,

807
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: good days, bad days, you know, funny things, sad things.

808
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: So it's kind of quite cathartic, I think, just talking

809
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: and sharing things with him.

810
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: I think I discovered him through the Blue Day Book,

811
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: which I think is maybe not his first one, yeah,

812
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: but I think it was the one that kind of

813
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: like exploded and solid.

814
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I remember that too. That was massive.

815
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like the one that really started me

816
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: thinking about redefining like a shit day and it's you know,

817
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: one bad day is in a bad life, and then

818
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: there's all and then you know, after I found that book,

819
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: I kind of bought all these books, and I think

820
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 2: that actually might have been how I came across Penguin

821
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: Bloom in the first place. But I mean again, it's

822
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: one of those things where like you would never have

823
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: guessed that that is what would come of your story,

824
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: but no.

825
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: A million years what I know? Yeah, it was this,

826
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Speaker 1: It was this weird, but it was it was great.

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Speaker 2: a like, not just an international bestseller, but a Hollywood movie.

852
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: I know, right, I know. Yeah. So one of the

853
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: producers from the film, Emma Cooper, came new Emma from

854
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: from years ago, you know, obviously being a photographer. And

855
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: then so Emma is best mates with Naomi Watts. So

856
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: Emma gave a book to Naomi and it just really

857
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: resonated with him. His name. He also has a couple

858
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: of kids, and you know, I guess, being a mom herself,

859
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: she would say, Wow, I want to make this into

860
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: a film. I want to produce it and act in it.

861
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: What I love how most people are like they want

862
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, their wildest dreams would be to get onto

863
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: someone famous, to like play them in a movie. I meanwhile,

864
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: she's asking if she can be.

865
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: You seriously that wild? Yeah, No, it was really cool.

866
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean I'm so lucky. Like she is the most

867
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: down to earth loveliest person ever, you know, Like I was,

868
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: I as, I was pretty nervous when I first met

869
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: her for lunch and I was going came, oh my god,

870
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like you know, she's like a movie star,

871
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, oh, I hope she's not like

872
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: a princess, you know, like the whole like just open

873
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: the top. But honestly, as soon as we met, yeah,

874
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: she just hit it off. She's so lovely.

875
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

876
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky.

877
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: I mean I think you think that it's luck, but

878
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: also I think good things come to good people, and

879
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: like you know, I think people find each other as

880
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 2: well when they have some amazing product or some project

881
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: that's going to come out that they're meant to be

882
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: together for, like you and Bradley, and like you know,

883
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: I feel like it all kind of comes together and

884
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: it's it's it's amazing that you have gone from a

885
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: place of literally hating sort of your day to day,

886
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: which is so understandable and such a natural like reaction

887
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: to everything you love being taken away from you to

888
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: now being able to not only like change so many

889
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: other people's perception of happiness and fulfillment with the book

890
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: and the film, but also like getting back in the

891
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: water yourself. You've gone on and like as you said,

892
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: you started canoeing. I love how humble you are. Like

893
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: I just kind of got in the water. I'm like

894
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: you then kind of won like some national titles, but

895
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: then also became a world surfing champion. Gal, what do

896
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: you mean.

897
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: I know, it's very strange because I used to surf.

898
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: You know, I've grown up surfing and so I've always

899
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: feel comfortable in the ocean. Yeah, but I mean after

900
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: my accident that I was like, you know, there's no way,

901
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: like I I surfing is just like a write off.

902
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: And so it actually took five years, and you know

903
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: how it came about. It was like this random act

904
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: of kindness.

905
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: It was a letter, wasn't it.

906
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: It was a letter yep, from Nolah Wilson and her

907
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: son is Julian Wilson, who was a professional surfer. And

908
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know.

909
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: I didn't know them.

910
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: And then Nola this wrote me this most beautiful letter

911
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: encouraging me to get back out on the ocean, get

912
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: back out on the water, and I was like, okay,

913
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: so I kind of everything to Nola. Wow, Oh no,

914
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: she's such a legend, Like she's just the coolest lady.

915
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're the coolest lady ever, but oh.

916
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: No, Nola is just amazing. She's so beautiful. Like even

917
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: like she'd come down and watch me compete at some competitions,

918
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: you know in New South Wales, and you know, just

919
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: she's always just so like she's again she's like, oh,

920
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. She's just yeah, she's a

921
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: beautiful lady. So I know, just that that one letter,

922
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: it's completely changed everything.

923
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: And it's so interesting because I think so much of

924
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: your story is like the perfect example of all the

925
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: themes we talk about on the show, but just on steroids,

926
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: like the idea of like we all you know, we

927
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: talk about self doubt very often and confidence and trying

928
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: out new things outside the comfort zone, but then also

929
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: that if you have the right tribe around you, it

930
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: just takes one conversation to kind of push you over

931
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: the edge to either believe that you can or that

932
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: you can't like, depending on who you surround yourself with.

933
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: But that is an example literally on steroids. It's like,

934
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know if I could get back in the water.

935
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: That would be enormously scary without the same physical strength.

936
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: Oh it was. It was scary and it was frustrating.

937
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: And some days I'd hate it, and you know, and

938
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: I'd get angry at Cam going because he was always

939
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: in the water obviously with me, and you know, and

940
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't get this, Cam like it's not

941
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: the same and no, no, you known't have a wind.

942
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: But then other days that we just have like such

943
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: a great time and catch beautiful waves, and so yeah,

944
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: it definitely had its ups and down. Yea. Honestly, I

945
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: would do absolutely anything to be able to grab my

946
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: board and run down the beach and be on my own,

947
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: I find because I used to be quite alone. No

948
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: I did. I used to go mound bike on my

949
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: running like I liked being on my own, and I'd

950
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: get surfing on my I mean, obviously I would do

951
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: stuff with friends.

952
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: You had some friends, had a couple.

953
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: Of friends, but you know what I mean, I just

954
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: liked my own company and I missed that after my accident.

955
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: I missed that so much, just not being able to escape.

956
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you explain adaptive surfing to people who don't

957
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: actually know we've actually had Did you know Barney Miller?

958
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: Have you met him?

959
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: Barnie? I went in my first competition against Barney. Yeah,

960
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: so kind I guess Barney also inspired me to compete.

961
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: I love Fine He and Kit. We've known them for

962
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: a while. They were on the show, like in its

963
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: very first year, and I cry every time I watch

964
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: that documentary. It's just so amazing.

965
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: They're the best couple ever, best best.

966
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 2: But for those who haven't listened to that one, how

967
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: does adaptive surfing work? And how did you kind of

968
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: build up your strength?

969
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: Again? Okay, so, I mean I'm pretty lucky. I've always

970
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: been pretty strong in my arms, So so for me

971
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: now surfing means essentially lying on my board. Obviously I

972
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: can't stand up, and so I ride a normal shortboard

973
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: and so but what it is, it does look a

974
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: little bit weird, I guess, some weird looks. Sometimes I've

975
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: got two fins on the top of my board, so

976
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: they keep my legs in place.

977
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if.

978
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, yeah, Barney had the same

979
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: So I copied that idea of Barney, because otherwise, like

980
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: if a wave came, my legs would a leg would

981
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: just get pushed off and then I'd fall. So I've

982
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: got two fins on the top and then obviously like

983
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: the three you know underneath, like a normal good and

984
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: I've got a handle at the front. Does that make sense?

985
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: So I grab a handle and then and then hold

986
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: the side of the board. It must look very strange.

987
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: It's almost like boogets. It's like boogie boarding, but on

988
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: a surfboard.

989
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so someone gets you on the wave. So

990
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: Mick and Barney are always partners in the competition. So

991
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: Cam is your.

992
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's changed now. Yeah, okay. For five years

993
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: I did have Cam pushing me onto the waves and

994
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: helping me get back out because I find paddling really

995
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: hard because well I have no core and so I

996
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: find it really hard to like arch up and to paddle.

997
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I almost paddle with my head on the board.

998
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, to get more.

999
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: It's very strange. Yeah, And so last year I went

1000
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: to Hawaii and there's different classifications. Obviously, you know, some

1001
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: people like Barney, for example, doesn't have great strength in

1002
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: his arms, whereas I mean, and then but I do.

1003
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: And you know, some people are missing limbs, there's visually impaired.

1004
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different categories. And so I went

1005
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: to Hawaii to compete, and two days before the competition,

1006
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we want to reclassify you because you're

1007
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: looking really strong. Seriously, and so I went in and

1008
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, you're not getting any help. Now. I

1009
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: was kind of freaking out, going, oh, how embarrassing if

1010
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: I can't catch a wave. And I was like, okay,

1011
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: I was. I remember, I was so like, oh my god,

1012
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, like you know, and the camera. I

1013
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: went out just for a practice when I'm going to camp.

1014
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: Don't touch me. Don't touch me. I do not touch me.

1015
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: I have to do this on my own. And so

1016
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: I caught a couple of ways and say, okay, this

1017
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: is pretty tricky. And then oh man, even the night

1018
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: before the competition, and I just figured I just kind

1019
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: of changed my mindset. I figured I have nothing to lose.

1020
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: I was actually up against the world champion in my

1021
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: new division. Oh my, oh god. And it was so funny.

1022
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: I remember I went up to this mom. She was

1023
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: an American mom. Her daughter competes in another division. And

1024
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: I said to the mom, I'm like, Sarah's pretty good,

1025
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: isn't she Sarah who was I was competing against. And

1026
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: she goes, oh, yeah, she's gonna mup the floor. I'm like, okay,

1027
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: thank you for the bruceive confidence.

1028
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1029
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: So I'll say, okay, cool, I've got nothing to lose.

1030
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm up against the world champ. And I figured, like

1031
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: all I wanted to do since my accident was surf

1032
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: on my own. And I figured, I get to do

1033
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: it at it and this most beautiful surf break, So

1034
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: I just go out there, try my best and have fun.

1035
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: And so I did, and I was super lucky and

1036
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: I got a couple of good waves and I beat it.

1037
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: I beat Sarah.

1038
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, you want gold two years in

1039
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: a row.

1040
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: This wasn't It's not well still, you know this is

1041
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: It's called the Adaptive World Tour. So what there is

1042
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: is three different locations for an adaptive surfing. It's a

1043
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: competition away. It was the first the first stop.

1044
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, I was.

1045
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: And so from now on, I mean, yeah, I get

1046
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: no assistance in the water.

1047
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: That is crazy.

1048
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty hard. And last year I went to

1049
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: Worlds and it was in it's in northern California and

1050
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: it's it's in December. It was so cold and so awful,

1051
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: and I remember I did run in my heads. And

1052
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: it's funny because I was against Sarah A. She's American,

1053
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: and she goes to me, you did really well in

1054
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: good surf and really bad in city surf. I'm like, yeah, no, interesting, yeah.

1055
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: And so in the final, it was so windy and

1056
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: so horrible, and I so did not want to go

1057
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: out and I just bombed. Man. I just I think

1058
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: I kind of caught one wave, but I just literally

1059
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: went over the falls. I was like, this is just shit.

1060
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: So and all I wanted to do. All I wanted

1061
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: was the hood to go off so we could come in.

1062
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: It was such a long twenty minutes. I was like,

1063
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: so I came forth.

1064
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: That's still amazing.

1065
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: Oh. I thought I'd be more gutted, but I was

1066
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: just kind of like in a weird way, like and

1067
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: the other girls I was up against. I was up

1068
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: against two Americans and a South African. They were are

1069
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: really like great girls. So we kind of just had fun.

1070
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: So I started cool. I was like, yeah, I didn't

1071
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 1: mind coming forth. I regatted, but I was okay with it.

1072
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: And yeah, and then this year we just weren't Hawaii

1073
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: about a month ago for the same comp as last

1074
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: year in Hawaiian and yeah, straighted it again. So only

1075
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: just only just what did you love it? Yeah? I

1076
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: get nervous. I get nervous before competing and I can't

1077
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: eat and I know I have to and oh wow, yeah,

1078
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: I get the full nerves and then it's like, I

1079
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I felt good in my final this year

1080
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: in Hawaii, Like my paddle fitness was quite good and

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Speaker 1: I felt strong.

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Speaker 2: What do you do when you get Like we talk

1083
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: a lot about how self doubt is actually not a

1084
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 2: bad thing. Like nerves are kind of a sign that

1085
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: I feel like if I turned up to say, a

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00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: speaking gig and I wasn't nervous, I'd be like, you're

1087
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: not invested enough, Like you're getting a bit complacent. But

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00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: what do you do with that? Like how do you

1089
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: talk yourself down from like so you don't throw up?

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Speaker 1: I know I try not to. Well, I can't bear

1091
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: it when people are I kind of like just kind

1092
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: of let me alone. Let me just kind of focus,

1093
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: I do this and take some deep breath and just

1094
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: just yeah, I don't know, just kind.

1095
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: Of hope for the best, just like get in the zone.

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00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. I remember my first ever World Championships

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00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: and we had the three kids over there. This was

1098
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: in San Diego, and they were so excited, which was

1099
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: so cute. But they're like, hey, you, oh my gosh,

1100
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: like this, leave me alone. You know, I'd never completed

1101
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: like before like that, And I was, yeah, no, I

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00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: just yeah, just try and focus and just do some

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00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: deep breathing.

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Speaker 2: And trying it all out.

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00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still get crazy nervous.

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Speaker 2: I love that though. I think that's so like it's

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00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: a nice sign that you still really care about the outcome.

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00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, when you want to do well, like

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00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: when everybody wants to win.

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Speaker 2: Yes. So in between your competing, you do a lot

1111
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: of public speaking. You've had Bradley did a second book

1112
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: on your story, Sam Bloom, Heartache and bird Song, And now,

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00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I can imagine, particularly after the movie, that

1114
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: there are so many people who love your story. I imagine

1115
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: you get inundated with people sharing the ways it's you know,

1116
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: impacted them. And I forget recognized as well, Like, how

1117
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: like your life has changed so much? How is it?

1118
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 2: Like where are you at now?

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00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: No, it's cool. I mean that's the one thing about

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00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: like the only thing that like I have found positive

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00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: in this whole crazy journey is sharing my story and

1122
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: just being able to help other people. I can't bear

1123
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: the word like inspirational because I'm not that, but like,

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00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, I love the fact that I have kind

1125
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: of encouraged other people, like especially to get into the surfing.

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00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny. There's three new Aussies who

1127
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: are hopefully going to be on the team on the

1128
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: Ustraine team representing Australia this year for the adaptive surfing

1129
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, no, it's really cool. Like there was this

1130
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: one guy. Well actually, like last year, I did a

1131
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: talk and then a dad came up to me, and

1132
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: you know, the dad was in tears and he's going

1133
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: on my sons, he's had a paragliding accident. He's in

1134
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: ron not sure you know, he's paralyzed, and you now,

1135
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: I was just like thinking, oh my god, what like

1136
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, what do I say? And so I said

1137
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: to him, I said, look, just get get Chris as

1138
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: his son to reach out to me when he's ready,

1139
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: and he did and I was so stoked. And then

1140
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: he came up up to my house. He was in

1141
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: hospital and his girlfriend drove him up here, and I know,

1142
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: we just hit it off. He's just he was incredibly active,

1143
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: like he'd go hiking, you'd do search and rescue, like

1144
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: here's a goer. And he used to surf. And then

1145
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: it was funny. I went up to see him when

1146
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: I was in rehab and I was telling him about

1147
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: the Hawaiian competition and he's like, well, can anyone go?

1148
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, and then I over a cup of tea,

1149
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: He's like signing up, going, okay, I'm going to do it.

1150
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: I was like hell yeah. So it was this awesome. So,

1151
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: I mean, man, Chris hasn't even been injured for a year.

1152
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: It's going to be a year on Sunday and then yeah,

1153
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: so he came to Hawaii. That was his first overseas trip.

1154
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: This one just now yeah a month ago. Yeah, and

1155
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: he competed and you know, he was also up against

1156
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: like obviously the world champion, and he did so well.

1157
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: He came forth out of Saturday or fourteen guys. I

1158
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: was like, dude, come on, and he's like, that's not

1159
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: going to haugh. I'm like, Chris, that's amazing. But it's

1160
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: just really nice. I remember in messaging me when he's

1161
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: still in rehab, like you know, he wasn't any good space.

1162
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: He was like me, he kind of hated it, like

1163
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, he was angry, and he said, this is

1164
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: the first time I've been excited since my accident. And

1165
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: then the other day, yeah, we kind of trained together

1166
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: a lot now, and then he said, yeah, the other day,

1167
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: like being in Hawaii with his girlfriend Jazz, who's also

1168
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: just a legend, he said, that was the first time

1169
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: we've been happy, like you know, just that it's okay,

1170
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: that's it sucks. Everything sucks, but you can still have fun.

1171
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: So that to me makes everything, like, yeah, this makes

1172
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: me feel good, like if you can just help someone,

1173
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: because I know exactly how he feels just being in

1174
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: that in that just horrible dark space.

1175
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: And I think, I know you don't like the word inspiring,

1176
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: but I think sometimes people in a dark place, any

1177
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: kind of dark place, they need something just to remind

1178
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: them that it is possible, like things can suck in

1179
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: a way that you think is never going to end

1180
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: or that could never change. But people find a new purpose,

1181
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: they can find new joy, and it takes a long time.

1182
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: Like I also think people think you probably healed really quickly,

1183
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 2: but I'm sure it took you a really long time.

1184
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? It took ages. I mean, I mean,

1185
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: I still don't accept it. I'll never be okay with this, Like, man,

1186
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: I hate it so even sometimes I still wake up

1187
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: now and go, oh god, damn much. You know, I

1188
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: just would do anything to be mere, just thine I'm

1189
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: going for a bush work or whatever. Yeah, no, I'll

1190
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: never be okay. But like you said, like if you

1191
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: find a purpose or something that you love doing, it changed.

1192
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: It does change everything, you know, not like I mean,

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00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: oh man, the amount of I remember saying to Cam Oh,

1194
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: like quite a long time ago, I remember saying to him,

1195
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I've had five epic days

1196
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: in a whole year. You know, I'm like, that's just shit. Yeah,

1197
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: but now obviously you know, like, no, we have like

1198
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: heaps of good days and we're just lucky. We've got

1199
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: to meet amazing people and do really cool things.

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00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's so lovely? Was that magpiees in the background

1201
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: by the way, just then.

1202
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: Could you hear it? Yeah, it's a little baby and

1203
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: it comes to be fed. It's not crazy from there.

1204
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: I can't hand fed or like doesn't sit on my

1205
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: lap or anything.

1206
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: You have a new magpie friend.

1207
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the same. I don't know if it

1208
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: to we're a girl yet. But yeah, they're always outside.

1209
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: We're so cute. And we didn't really give it a name.

1210
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: Where there's like the two of them, we call that

1211
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: little twins. We go, oh baby.

1212
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: So my aunties who live around the corner from us,

1213
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: my mum's sister, they have somehow adopted baby magpies as well,

1214
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: similar and they I gave them your book like ages

1215
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: ages ago and they've raised them like with sources of

1216
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: milk and now they like hand feed them every day

1217
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: as well. And they're in Europe at the moment, so

1218
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: they were like, can you please feed our magpies. I'm like,

1219
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: they're not, you're magpies, but they're like they'll wait every

1220
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: day like they expect their food. So you better go

1221
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: over this. I'm feeding these magpies. Hilarious literally, aw Sam, Well,

1222
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: this has just been so lovely. You are such an

1223
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: absolute legend, and I so appreciate your time. I love

1224
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: quotes and not everyone does. But is there a.

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00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, aay? Is it a quote from me or a

1226
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: quote that I love anybody?

1227
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: Or it could even just be like a thought on

1228
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: happiness or joy or just something that you want to

1229
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: leave the listeners with.

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Speaker 1: Always to say, like, don't put your dreams on hold,

1231
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 1: which is you don't know what what tomorrow will bring.

1232
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: And that is the one thing I am thankful for

1233
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: up until the accident. Like I said, if I wanted

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00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: to do something, then I'll do it. Imagine how devastated

1235
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: I'd be if I wanted to get to Africa but

1236
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: I never did, you know, Like look at that. I'm like, so, yeah,

1237
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: don't you change on hold? Just go for it.

1238
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: Oh that's such a beautiful way to end. I often

1239
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: think that there's always a reason to delay doing what

1240
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: you want to do. There's always something that you could

1241
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: allow to be a reason. But yeah, you don't necessarily

1242
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: always have the time that you think. And I think

1243
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: that's a really really lovely takeaway.

1244
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you want to do it, and do it,

1245
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: so you're going to baton.

1246
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: We're in that like interesting stage of life right now

1247
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: where we're just starting to think about having a family,

1248
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I've got a squeeze in so much.

1249
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: Before I went to Antarctica and December, I was like,

1250
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: what else wanted to get out of my system? Fantastic

1251
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: lots of penguins, not magpies, but penguins. Yeah, right, Sam,

1252
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: Where can we find you? Where can we find you book?

1253
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: If anyone is interested in having you speak? Like, where

1254
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: can we find you?

1255
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: There is a website sand Bloom. Just google sand Bloom.

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,479
Speaker 2: Amazing. I'll pop it in the show notes. Yeah, thank

1257
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: you so much. This is delight.

1258
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: This has been so fad. It's so cool. It's so

1259
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: cool talking about the past.

1260
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: What an incredible human being who still seems quite bewildered

1261
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: that anyone is interested in her story, which is so endearing.

1262
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: I loved speaking to Sam so much, and I hope

1263
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: you guys found her as refreshing and inspiring as I did.

1264
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 2: If you don't already have a copy of her book,

1265
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: I'll pop links in the show notes along with her

1266
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: social pages, website, the movie and the like. She actually

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01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 2: has a couple of books, as we mentioned. If you

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01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: enjoyed Please do take a moment to share the episode

1269
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: or leave a review to keep growing our beautiful neighborhood

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01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 2: as far and wide as possible. I'll be back next

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01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 2: week with Ange to chat about the past few weeks,

1272
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: so if you do have any questions or things you'd

1273
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: like covered, please shoot us a DM before then, and

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01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: in the meantime, I hope you're all all seizing, you're

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Speaker 2: yahy