1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,584 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on. 5 00:00:25,184 --> 00:00:28,064 Speaker 2: From Mama Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop 6 00:00:28,104 --> 00:00:31,544 Speaker 2: culture effects. I'm Cassanila Gidt and I'm Laura Brednick. And 7 00:00:31,664 --> 00:00:35,224 Speaker 2: on today's show, we are going to be unpacking Jennifer 8 00:00:35,264 --> 00:00:39,384 Speaker 2: Aniston's Vanity fair Peace and there's a couple of things 9 00:00:39,384 --> 00:00:41,824 Speaker 2: in there that we didn't know. Some we did a 10 00:00:41,904 --> 00:00:45,144 Speaker 2: few stories to tell, and we're just going to go really, 11 00:00:45,184 --> 00:00:45,784 Speaker 2: really deep. 12 00:00:46,264 --> 00:00:48,784 Speaker 1: Yes, so we're getting get into that. But coming up first, 13 00:00:49,264 --> 00:00:52,464 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to make a personal announcement, but my boyfriend 14 00:00:52,504 --> 00:00:53,864 Speaker 1: has stepped out with another woman. 15 00:00:54,144 --> 00:00:56,944 Speaker 2: We actually spoke about this the other week on the podcast, 16 00:00:57,344 --> 00:01:01,824 Speaker 2: talking about how is he single? And Joshua Jackson is 17 00:01:02,224 --> 00:01:05,824 Speaker 2: Joshua Jackson Bye doesn't look like he said like a single, 18 00:01:05,824 --> 00:01:06,784 Speaker 2: which is stressful for me. 19 00:01:06,824 --> 00:01:09,344 Speaker 1: And when I say boyfriend, he's unaware of my existence. 20 00:01:09,384 --> 00:01:12,184 Speaker 1: But and look, it is one of the longest relationships 21 00:01:12,224 --> 00:01:13,704 Speaker 1: I've ever had. I've been in love with that man 22 00:01:13,744 --> 00:01:16,464 Speaker 1: since I was about twelve years old. Joshua Jackson, Yes, 23 00:01:16,584 --> 00:01:19,184 Speaker 1: is he making a lot of headlines recently because he's 24 00:01:19,384 --> 00:01:22,384 Speaker 1: filming a new project with Katie Holmes, his Dawson's Creek 25 00:01:22,424 --> 00:01:25,664 Speaker 1: co star and also ex lover for about six months 26 00:01:25,704 --> 00:01:28,344 Speaker 1: when they were eighteen. So but you know, a relationships 27 00:01:28,344 --> 00:01:32,184 Speaker 1: a relationship, and just yesterday he was photographed out and 28 00:01:32,224 --> 00:01:35,264 Speaker 1: about in the town with Simone Ashley from Bridgeton. 29 00:01:35,744 --> 00:01:39,464 Speaker 2: Now there was no handholding or handle massive pda al anything, 30 00:01:39,544 --> 00:01:41,664 Speaker 2: but the rumor mill is swirling. 31 00:01:41,944 --> 00:01:44,744 Speaker 1: I can't stress enough how much these were paparazzi photos. 32 00:01:45,064 --> 00:01:47,304 Speaker 1: So we shouldn't have looked at them, but we're trash, 33 00:01:47,464 --> 00:01:49,384 Speaker 1: so we did. You can too. I guess they're out 34 00:01:49,384 --> 00:01:51,304 Speaker 1: in the world. We won't repost them, but I can 35 00:01:51,384 --> 00:01:53,424 Speaker 1: tell you zoomed in. I did too. There was no 36 00:01:53,464 --> 00:01:56,344 Speaker 1: handholding that I could see, but there was a hand grazing, 37 00:01:56,544 --> 00:01:59,624 Speaker 1: which is almost more intimate when you're trying to, I 38 00:01:59,664 --> 00:02:01,504 Speaker 1: don't know, have a secret relationship. 39 00:02:01,544 --> 00:02:04,904 Speaker 2: First start stating someone like I don't even know why 40 00:02:04,984 --> 00:02:08,184 Speaker 2: I try and tune in on new relationships. I've got 41 00:02:08,344 --> 00:02:09,664 Speaker 2: no bloody ideas or anyway. 42 00:02:09,664 --> 00:02:11,864 Speaker 1: But also, this isn't normal new relationship because what you 43 00:02:11,904 --> 00:02:14,184 Speaker 1: would do in a new relationship if it's just two 44 00:02:14,304 --> 00:02:17,144 Speaker 1: normal people walking down the street is vastly different than 45 00:02:17,184 --> 00:02:19,584 Speaker 1: if you were two superstars with a high profile and 46 00:02:19,624 --> 00:02:22,144 Speaker 1: you're walking down a paparazzi hot spot area, which is 47 00:02:22,144 --> 00:02:24,744 Speaker 1: where they were. So I don't think the handholding is 48 00:02:24,784 --> 00:02:26,704 Speaker 1: you know, it's actually smarter than not to hold hands. 49 00:02:26,904 --> 00:02:29,904 Speaker 1: But their heads like quite together. They're laughing together. Now, 50 00:02:30,104 --> 00:02:31,904 Speaker 1: they could just be good friends. They could have been 51 00:02:31,904 --> 00:02:34,184 Speaker 1: talking about a project that they have coming up together. 52 00:02:34,584 --> 00:02:37,264 Speaker 1: He's obviously filming Katie Holmes new project, but his TV 53 00:02:37,304 --> 00:02:39,264 Speaker 1: show has just been canceled. She's got a lot of 54 00:02:39,264 --> 00:02:42,064 Speaker 1: things on the horizon, like potentially they're co stars. But 55 00:02:42,184 --> 00:02:43,864 Speaker 1: the vibe was more lovers. 56 00:02:44,264 --> 00:02:47,744 Speaker 2: It felt like if I could read energy, The energy 57 00:02:47,824 --> 00:02:49,024 Speaker 2: felt intimate. 58 00:02:49,384 --> 00:02:52,544 Speaker 1: What I know about Joshua Jackson, my lover of many years, 59 00:02:52,624 --> 00:02:54,664 Speaker 1: is that he loves a bit of PDA and he 60 00:02:54,664 --> 00:02:57,704 Speaker 1: doesn't mind being photographed with the women he's obsessed with. 61 00:02:57,904 --> 00:03:00,944 Speaker 1: He was with Diane Krueger, who is my biggest nemesis 62 00:03:00,944 --> 00:03:04,544 Speaker 1: because I only have two crushes, Norman Readers and Joshua Jackson, 63 00:03:05,104 --> 00:03:08,544 Speaker 1: and they're her two long term love interests. Yeah, it's 64 00:03:08,624 --> 00:03:11,584 Speaker 1: unfair for one woman to that's bad for feminism is 65 00:03:11,584 --> 00:03:13,304 Speaker 1: what I'm going to say on that. But he was 66 00:03:13,344 --> 00:03:16,424 Speaker 1: photographed a lot with her, very intense PDA. They were 67 00:03:16,424 --> 00:03:18,744 Speaker 1: together for like ten years. And then he and Jodi 68 00:03:18,784 --> 00:03:21,624 Speaker 1: Turner Smith, the mother of his daughter, not like I 69 00:03:21,624 --> 00:03:23,664 Speaker 1: guess they walked her carpets together, but they also were 70 00:03:23,744 --> 00:03:26,224 Speaker 1: very you know, PDA. And then he and Lepede and Yongo. 71 00:03:26,584 --> 00:03:29,064 Speaker 1: Those photos of them on the beach making out again, 72 00:03:29,104 --> 00:03:32,864 Speaker 1: paparazzi photos, I'm trash, were so like intimate and sexy. 73 00:03:32,864 --> 00:03:34,664 Speaker 1: I felt like I was invading their privacy by looking 74 00:03:34,704 --> 00:03:37,224 Speaker 1: at you were I was assuming in and I was like, 75 00:03:37,264 --> 00:03:38,984 Speaker 1: you know what if it can't be me? Lisa's lapeter. 76 00:03:39,184 --> 00:03:41,104 Speaker 2: We were talking about this a little bit earlier. It's like, 77 00:03:41,184 --> 00:03:43,864 Speaker 2: is there an issue with like the seventeen year age gap. 78 00:03:43,944 --> 00:03:48,104 Speaker 2: You know, Joshua Jackson's forty seven and Simone is thirty. 79 00:03:48,544 --> 00:03:51,504 Speaker 1: She's she's only turn thirty. I think, yeah, so obviously 80 00:03:51,584 --> 00:03:53,664 Speaker 1: he is a creepy old man, and he's in Hollywood, 81 00:03:53,704 --> 00:03:56,584 Speaker 1: so that's fished. Oh, just seventeen years. 82 00:03:56,904 --> 00:03:59,184 Speaker 2: It's a long time, but in Hollywood it's nothing. 83 00:03:59,824 --> 00:04:01,584 Speaker 1: I know. Well, here's the other thing too, is that 84 00:04:01,584 --> 00:04:01,944 Speaker 1: if she. 85 00:04:02,024 --> 00:04:03,704 Speaker 2: Was twenty I'd have more of an issue with it. 86 00:04:03,864 --> 00:04:06,224 Speaker 2: We've spoken about this before. I think the age difference 87 00:04:06,304 --> 00:04:08,984 Speaker 2: matters less the older. The youngest person is. 88 00:04:09,504 --> 00:04:11,624 Speaker 1: No no thk you want you putting it, doubt exactly 89 00:04:11,984 --> 00:04:13,704 Speaker 1: so much worse if it's a twenty year old and 90 00:04:13,704 --> 00:04:16,024 Speaker 1: a forty year old, because those are completely different people. 91 00:04:16,344 --> 00:04:18,664 Speaker 1: At least in your thirties, you're getting to be a 92 00:04:18,664 --> 00:04:20,824 Speaker 1: proper adult. I don't think you've become an adult till 93 00:04:20,864 --> 00:04:24,024 Speaker 1: thirty five, is my hot take. And so I we're 94 00:04:24,064 --> 00:04:26,944 Speaker 1: so young is when you become a proper adult. Up 95 00:04:27,024 --> 00:04:29,224 Speaker 1: until then, you're just figuring stuff out. So if you're 96 00:04:29,224 --> 00:04:31,184 Speaker 1: in the thirties, at least you know what's going on. 97 00:04:31,744 --> 00:04:34,144 Speaker 2: And there's also, like, you know, the whole brain development thing, 98 00:04:34,184 --> 00:04:35,984 Speaker 2: like your brain doesn't fully developed as a woman till 99 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:37,784 Speaker 2: the twenty five and blah blah blah blah blah. So 100 00:04:37,984 --> 00:04:40,544 Speaker 2: I mean, and Simona Ashulely is a beautiful, intelligent woman, 101 00:04:40,984 --> 00:04:44,064 Speaker 2: very talented woman. Joshua Jackson is the same. Wish them 102 00:04:44,064 --> 00:04:47,064 Speaker 2: all the best. Laura might be creating some vooded dogs. 103 00:04:47,144 --> 00:04:49,024 Speaker 1: Look I'm just saying, at least I just hope that 104 00:04:49,064 --> 00:04:51,504 Speaker 1: she's a fan, because I was never upset at Jodie 105 00:04:51,504 --> 00:04:54,224 Speaker 1: Turner Smith marrying him because she was a diehard Dawson's 106 00:04:54,264 --> 00:04:56,104 Speaker 1: Creek fan. So I was like, at least one of 107 00:04:56,184 --> 00:04:57,624 Speaker 1: us got in there if it wasn't going to be 108 00:04:57,664 --> 00:04:59,584 Speaker 1: you know the rest of us. I don't know Simone 109 00:04:59,624 --> 00:05:02,424 Speaker 1: Ashley personally. I hope she had the Dawson's Creek box 110 00:05:02,464 --> 00:05:04,304 Speaker 1: set growing up. I don't know. I will also just 111 00:05:04,344 --> 00:05:06,144 Speaker 1: say one little note. I hate to say this about 112 00:05:06,224 --> 00:05:09,944 Speaker 1: Joshua Jackson because as previously discussed, I'm in love with him, 113 00:05:10,464 --> 00:05:14,304 Speaker 1: but he does sometimes love a little public PDA when 114 00:05:14,344 --> 00:05:16,904 Speaker 1: he's a little bit in trouble in other areas. And 115 00:05:16,944 --> 00:05:18,304 Speaker 1: I'll just say he's in a bit of an ugly 116 00:05:18,344 --> 00:05:21,384 Speaker 1: custody battle right now, and sometimes when there's a bad 117 00:05:21,424 --> 00:05:25,064 Speaker 1: story about him, he does like to do a little 118 00:05:25,104 --> 00:05:25,784 Speaker 1: PDA walk. 119 00:05:25,904 --> 00:05:29,144 Speaker 2: I do feel like, like we know this custody battle, 120 00:05:29,184 --> 00:05:31,584 Speaker 2: it's been pretty ugly. But the press around him and 121 00:05:31,624 --> 00:05:34,104 Speaker 2: Katie Holmes working together was very, very positive. 122 00:05:34,944 --> 00:05:38,224 Speaker 1: The man's on an upward positive momentum at the moment, 123 00:05:38,384 --> 00:05:40,384 Speaker 1: Like again, off the back of his TV show Doctor 124 00:05:40,384 --> 00:05:43,704 Speaker 1: Odyssey being canceled, He's actually in a better place than 125 00:05:43,704 --> 00:05:45,784 Speaker 1: he has been in years professionally, and a lot of 126 00:05:45,784 --> 00:05:48,384 Speaker 1: it is to do with the women he's surrounding himself. 127 00:05:48,424 --> 00:05:50,624 Speaker 2: We hate how men just keep getting better looking. 128 00:05:51,024 --> 00:05:52,984 Speaker 1: He's just getting hotter and hotter. 129 00:05:53,624 --> 00:05:53,904 Speaker 2: Off. 130 00:05:54,504 --> 00:05:57,584 Speaker 1: Anyway, good job, Simone Ashley. At least one fan got 131 00:05:57,584 --> 00:05:57,904 Speaker 1: in there. 132 00:05:59,824 --> 00:06:04,264 Speaker 2: The latest Vanity Fair cover star is miss Jennifer Aniston 133 00:06:04,344 --> 00:06:08,344 Speaker 2: looking absolutely stunning. And as we all know, when Vanity 134 00:06:08,344 --> 00:06:11,504 Speaker 2: Fair do a cover, they do a nice, big, in depth, 135 00:06:11,664 --> 00:06:15,944 Speaker 2: juicy profile piece and there have been some findings from it. 136 00:06:15,984 --> 00:06:19,304 Speaker 2: So the piece was written by Vanity Fair writer Julie Miller, 137 00:06:19,944 --> 00:06:22,464 Speaker 2: and there's definitely a couple of things in there that 138 00:06:22,544 --> 00:06:24,984 Speaker 2: you know, we've sort of seen before. But there's some 139 00:06:25,064 --> 00:06:29,064 Speaker 2: really interesting pieces. I think one of the ones that 140 00:06:29,184 --> 00:06:31,264 Speaker 2: struck me quite early on in the piece, I kind 141 00:06:31,264 --> 00:06:32,824 Speaker 2: of want to go from start to finish because that's 142 00:06:32,824 --> 00:06:34,984 Speaker 2: how my brain works. Quite early on in the piece, 143 00:06:35,024 --> 00:06:38,144 Speaker 2: she was talking about how she doesn't quite have enough 144 00:06:38,224 --> 00:06:40,184 Speaker 2: room for a memoir, but she will write a memoir 145 00:06:40,264 --> 00:06:42,984 Speaker 2: around it one day, which I actually found quite interesting. 146 00:06:43,424 --> 00:06:45,864 Speaker 1: Yeah. Also I was like, good deflection, because obviously you 147 00:06:45,864 --> 00:06:48,184 Speaker 1: could fill ten memoirs, but she's just trying to kind 148 00:06:48,224 --> 00:06:49,864 Speaker 1: of be like oh, one day when I get around 149 00:06:49,904 --> 00:06:52,184 Speaker 1: to it. Also, even though she's fifty six, she does 150 00:06:52,224 --> 00:06:54,704 Speaker 1: talk about being like in the prime of her career 151 00:06:54,704 --> 00:06:56,144 Speaker 1: in the start of it, and so she's kind of like, 152 00:06:56,184 --> 00:06:58,184 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm at my peak now, and 153 00:06:58,224 --> 00:06:59,344 Speaker 1: I do love that energy for her. 154 00:06:59,424 --> 00:07:01,184 Speaker 2: I like that too. And there was a lot of 155 00:07:01,744 --> 00:07:05,984 Speaker 2: very calm, you know nature and she's wearing jade bracelets 156 00:07:06,024 --> 00:07:09,384 Speaker 2: and skinner jeans and flipflop. Yeah, it was all about 157 00:07:09,424 --> 00:07:11,664 Speaker 2: like rose quotes and spirituality. 158 00:07:11,944 --> 00:07:14,144 Speaker 1: Oh yes, the things on her coffee table. Actually, that 159 00:07:14,264 --> 00:07:16,824 Speaker 1: was the bit that struck me first, was the intro, 160 00:07:16,984 --> 00:07:19,624 Speaker 1: which kind of sets up everything we're gonna learn about 161 00:07:19,704 --> 00:07:21,584 Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston in this profile. And this is when I 162 00:07:21,624 --> 00:07:22,904 Speaker 1: read it, I like, I knew this was written by 163 00:07:22,944 --> 00:07:25,344 Speaker 1: Julie Miller because she is just like the queen of profiles. 164 00:07:25,744 --> 00:07:29,504 Speaker 1: Where she talks about getting to Jennifer Andison's sanctuary and 165 00:07:29,544 --> 00:07:31,824 Speaker 1: she's like, you climb up, up, up into the hills 166 00:07:31,824 --> 00:07:35,184 Speaker 1: of Los Angeles past Manson's shielded by millions of dollars. 167 00:07:35,344 --> 00:07:37,904 Speaker 1: Then she talks about like an alleged stalker trying to 168 00:07:37,944 --> 00:07:41,344 Speaker 1: get into her property and having a police cruiser outside 169 00:07:41,384 --> 00:07:44,424 Speaker 1: Jennifer Anderson's house twenty four to seven. But then talking 170 00:07:44,424 --> 00:07:47,864 Speaker 1: as You're saying like the serene, calm, beautiful nature, and 171 00:07:47,904 --> 00:07:49,984 Speaker 1: I was like, that is the best description of Jennifer 172 00:07:49,984 --> 00:07:55,184 Speaker 1: Anison's life I've ever read, Like stalker, police cruiser, hectic, calm, 173 00:07:55,304 --> 00:07:58,464 Speaker 1: cream rose quarts, like the two things existing together. 174 00:07:58,584 --> 00:08:00,384 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like if you live a life like that, 175 00:08:00,424 --> 00:08:03,184 Speaker 2: you're going to kind of have to to, yeah, to 176 00:08:03,264 --> 00:08:05,704 Speaker 2: do it. And Julie also talks about sort of the 177 00:08:05,784 --> 00:08:09,144 Speaker 2: last big story that Jennifer Adiston did with Vanity Fair 178 00:08:09,184 --> 00:08:11,464 Speaker 2: back in two thousand and five, just after her divorce 179 00:08:11,464 --> 00:08:14,304 Speaker 2: from Brad Pitt, and you know, she talks about how 180 00:08:14,304 --> 00:08:17,024 Speaker 2: that was like a really tumultuous time for her, quite 181 00:08:17,064 --> 00:08:20,544 Speaker 2: traumatic for her, you know, really difficult to kind of 182 00:08:21,024 --> 00:08:24,064 Speaker 2: to manage the media. And she said, back in two 183 00:08:24,104 --> 00:08:27,504 Speaker 2: thousand and five, journalism felt more like a sport, and 184 00:08:27,784 --> 00:08:30,864 Speaker 2: I think that that is definitely true. I think journalism 185 00:08:30,944 --> 00:08:35,184 Speaker 2: still is in a sense, but particularly in those early 186 00:08:35,264 --> 00:08:39,544 Speaker 2: two thousands, it really was all about getting tableau pictures, 187 00:08:39,704 --> 00:08:43,704 Speaker 2: the gossip, Like there was a little bit less emphasis 188 00:08:43,744 --> 00:08:46,704 Speaker 2: on the privacy of celebrities. And she talks about how 189 00:08:46,944 --> 00:08:48,704 Speaker 2: you know, everyone says that I signed up for this, 190 00:08:48,824 --> 00:08:50,944 Speaker 2: but I didn't, and I was eighteen. I had no 191 00:08:51,064 --> 00:08:53,944 Speaker 2: idea where this was going to take me. And one 192 00:08:53,944 --> 00:08:56,224 Speaker 2: of the things that I do think is interesting is how, 193 00:08:56,304 --> 00:08:58,944 Speaker 2: you know, she has been very guarded. And we spoke 194 00:08:58,984 --> 00:09:02,104 Speaker 2: about this with sort of Sydney Sweeney earlier this week. 195 00:09:02,384 --> 00:09:04,944 Speaker 2: She said, how are they going to misinterpret my words 196 00:09:05,024 --> 00:09:07,384 Speaker 2: or take something out of context? And I think that 197 00:09:07,384 --> 00:09:09,984 Speaker 2: that's really interesting because you know, she's been in the 198 00:09:10,024 --> 00:09:14,464 Speaker 2: Indus for what thirty years now, and she has now 199 00:09:14,584 --> 00:09:16,144 Speaker 2: learnt to be. 200 00:09:16,224 --> 00:09:18,664 Speaker 1: Guarded and she has to be Yeah. 201 00:09:18,824 --> 00:09:21,104 Speaker 2: You know, one of the bits that really did sort 202 00:09:21,144 --> 00:09:23,904 Speaker 2: of seem to stick out a lot was her relationship 203 00:09:23,944 --> 00:09:26,824 Speaker 2: with her friend's COO star Matthew Perry and his sort 204 00:09:26,824 --> 00:09:29,864 Speaker 2: of final moments. As we know, Matthew Perry died of 205 00:09:29,904 --> 00:09:33,904 Speaker 2: e ketamine overdose and had struggled with addiction for many, 206 00:09:33,944 --> 00:09:36,944 Speaker 2: many years, most notably on Friends. You can see it 207 00:09:36,984 --> 00:09:40,424 Speaker 2: through the seasons. You see his body change quite substantially, 208 00:09:40,824 --> 00:09:44,464 Speaker 2: and he talks about it in his biography, about being 209 00:09:44,504 --> 00:09:47,344 Speaker 2: in the grips of that addiction. It's an interesting thing 210 00:09:47,344 --> 00:09:49,704 Speaker 2: and I think that a lot of friends and family 211 00:09:49,704 --> 00:09:53,184 Speaker 2: of addicts will have this same sentiment. It's like, I'm 212 00:09:53,224 --> 00:09:55,824 Speaker 2: really sad that he's gone, but I'm glad that he's 213 00:09:56,184 --> 00:10:00,704 Speaker 2: at peace now, which I think is a very relatable 214 00:10:00,704 --> 00:10:02,824 Speaker 2: thing for people to say. And Matthew Perry said in 215 00:10:02,864 --> 00:10:05,144 Speaker 2: his book, you know, Jen was the one that always 216 00:10:05,224 --> 00:10:08,664 Speaker 2: reached out. Jen always checked in on me and made 217 00:10:08,704 --> 00:10:11,824 Speaker 2: sure that I was okay. So I think the loss 218 00:10:11,824 --> 00:10:14,624 Speaker 2: of that, it's not like she's happy to have lost him, 219 00:10:14,664 --> 00:10:17,304 Speaker 2: but I think she's just not waiting for that phone 220 00:10:17,304 --> 00:10:20,064 Speaker 2: call anymore, is obviously of a bit of relief to her. 221 00:10:20,784 --> 00:10:23,904 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because she obviously spoken about Matthew 222 00:10:23,944 --> 00:10:26,504 Speaker 1: Perry before. I did feel really bad for her after 223 00:10:27,184 --> 00:10:28,744 Speaker 1: his death. I mean for all of them, but I 224 00:10:28,744 --> 00:10:30,904 Speaker 1: think out of all the Friends stars, she's obviously got 225 00:10:30,944 --> 00:10:34,064 Speaker 1: the biggest glare of fame around her. And she was 226 00:10:34,104 --> 00:10:35,984 Speaker 1: the one who was out on red carpets and events 227 00:10:35,984 --> 00:10:37,944 Speaker 1: because that was her job at the time. And you'd 228 00:10:37,944 --> 00:10:40,784 Speaker 1: have these reporters leaning across red carpets, which I know 229 00:10:40,944 --> 00:10:42,944 Speaker 1: is their job, and shouting out to her like what 230 00:10:42,984 --> 00:10:44,704 Speaker 1: do you think of Matthew Perry's death, and she'd have 231 00:10:44,744 --> 00:10:46,424 Speaker 1: to be like shout something back, and I'm just like, 232 00:10:46,624 --> 00:10:48,744 Speaker 1: that's just such an intense way to talk about grief 233 00:10:48,744 --> 00:10:51,464 Speaker 1: and like a shouting across a red carpet. It's interesting 234 00:10:51,504 --> 00:10:53,064 Speaker 1: the headlines that have come from this, because I don't 235 00:10:53,064 --> 00:10:54,904 Speaker 1: know which ones you've seen, but the headline's obviously been 236 00:10:54,944 --> 00:10:58,744 Speaker 1: like any mention of Brad Pitt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Matthew Perry. 237 00:10:58,784 --> 00:11:01,024 Speaker 1: So it's been all the celebrity names in here. But 238 00:11:01,104 --> 00:11:02,784 Speaker 1: what I liked is it gave this kind of look 239 00:11:02,824 --> 00:11:05,184 Speaker 1: into her life that hasn't made the headlines, and no 240 00:11:05,224 --> 00:11:07,944 Speaker 1: one's really talking about it, never gets mentioned of this 241 00:11:08,024 --> 00:11:10,104 Speaker 1: like life she has built for herself, Like when they 242 00:11:10,104 --> 00:11:12,984 Speaker 1: talking about the Sunday dinners and they're talking about like 243 00:11:13,064 --> 00:11:14,944 Speaker 1: all of her famous friends, but not even that they're 244 00:11:14,944 --> 00:11:16,864 Speaker 1: famous friends. It's just like, you know, Jason Bateman and 245 00:11:16,864 --> 00:11:19,544 Speaker 1: stuff coming over, like their families and their friends, and 246 00:11:19,544 --> 00:11:22,824 Speaker 1: it's like every Sunday night, Jennifer Aniston has a whole 247 00:11:22,824 --> 00:11:26,944 Speaker 1: house full of people for this Sunday dinner. And some 248 00:11:26,984 --> 00:11:28,864 Speaker 1: of them are saying like their kids see her as 249 00:11:28,904 --> 00:11:32,224 Speaker 1: like a second mother and how she yeah, and just 250 00:11:32,304 --> 00:11:33,944 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff about it, And I was like, 251 00:11:34,064 --> 00:11:36,464 Speaker 1: it's so interesting. How like everyone will read this and 252 00:11:36,464 --> 00:11:39,024 Speaker 1: they'll see the Brad Pitt headlines and they'll think like, oh, 253 00:11:39,064 --> 00:11:41,264 Speaker 1: you know, the whole classic, like poor Jennifer Aniston, like 254 00:11:41,704 --> 00:11:45,344 Speaker 1: jilted by Brad Pitt, divorced from Justin throw, didn't talk 255 00:11:45,344 --> 00:11:47,424 Speaker 1: about her hit Missus boyfriend. It was the one question 256 00:11:47,504 --> 00:11:49,264 Speaker 1: she turned down, which was interesting. It was like, I'm 257 00:11:49,304 --> 00:11:51,744 Speaker 1: not talking about that, And I was like, what you're 258 00:11:51,744 --> 00:11:54,024 Speaker 1: seeing from the headlines and what I'm reading from this 259 00:11:54,144 --> 00:11:57,344 Speaker 1: profile are two starkly different things. Because what I'm seeing 260 00:11:57,384 --> 00:11:59,784 Speaker 1: as a woman who has a life that most people 261 00:11:59,864 --> 00:12:01,544 Speaker 1: dream of, and not because of the money and the fame, 262 00:12:01,624 --> 00:12:03,944 Speaker 1: but because she has this huge community of people that 263 00:12:04,544 --> 00:12:07,424 Speaker 1: flock around her, like, yeah, the dream, I think so. 264 00:12:07,624 --> 00:12:09,664 Speaker 2: And I think this is why I would definitely encourage 265 00:12:09,704 --> 00:12:12,304 Speaker 2: when you see that there are big profile pieces written, 266 00:12:13,064 --> 00:12:16,384 Speaker 2: read the profile itself. Don't just read those headlines, because 267 00:12:16,424 --> 00:12:19,104 Speaker 2: you will get so much more out of it. And 268 00:12:19,144 --> 00:12:20,864 Speaker 2: you know, we talk about the fluff in between, but 269 00:12:20,944 --> 00:12:23,624 Speaker 2: sometimes it's entertaining the bit that I really love that 270 00:12:23,664 --> 00:12:26,384 Speaker 2: I haven't seen that many people talk about. Obviously, she 271 00:12:26,384 --> 00:12:29,584 Speaker 2: has a very close relationship with Sandra Bullock and Jason Bateman. 272 00:12:29,584 --> 00:12:32,184 Speaker 2: She there's a lot of that about it in the profile, 273 00:12:32,344 --> 00:12:36,904 Speaker 2: and both Sandra and Jason make comments within the profile, 274 00:12:37,384 --> 00:12:41,544 Speaker 2: and you know the fact that Jason Bateman's daughter borrows 275 00:12:41,624 --> 00:12:45,224 Speaker 2: Jenner Aniston's like old clothes. Yeah, yeah, And I'm like, 276 00:12:45,384 --> 00:12:48,744 Speaker 2: can you imagine? And they because Jason Bateman is obviously 277 00:12:48,784 --> 00:12:51,704 Speaker 2: very famous himself, his daughter doesn't really see Jennifer Aniston 278 00:12:51,744 --> 00:12:55,704 Speaker 2: as Jennifer Aniston. Yeah, she sees her as, you know, 279 00:12:55,824 --> 00:12:58,944 Speaker 2: like an aunt. But can you imagine about having access 280 00:12:59,024 --> 00:13:01,224 Speaker 2: to Jennifer Aniston's like I'm. 281 00:13:01,104 --> 00:13:04,504 Speaker 1: Millennial wardrobe, I know, having ye that level of access 282 00:13:04,544 --> 00:13:06,664 Speaker 1: and being like Jennifer's the first one to like message 283 00:13:06,704 --> 00:13:08,584 Speaker 1: our kids about big moment. She's the one they go 284 00:13:08,624 --> 00:13:09,744 Speaker 1: to about boyfriend trouble. 285 00:13:09,984 --> 00:13:10,704 Speaker 2: Like life. 286 00:13:11,224 --> 00:13:13,304 Speaker 1: I don't get envious of celebrities because I think, like 287 00:13:13,664 --> 00:13:15,984 Speaker 1: it's so easy, especially in this job, to see through 288 00:13:16,264 --> 00:13:19,104 Speaker 1: the glitzyngramma to like the trauma. So I very rarely 289 00:13:19,144 --> 00:13:23,344 Speaker 1: get jealous of Jennifer Aniston, but reading about her life 290 00:13:23,344 --> 00:13:25,624 Speaker 1: and how people see her, I was like, I am 291 00:13:25,744 --> 00:13:27,984 Speaker 1: jealous of that. Like it's like so weird. How like 292 00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:30,864 Speaker 1: the poor gen narrative is actually like she's an incredibly 293 00:13:30,984 --> 00:13:31,664 Speaker 1: lucky person. 294 00:13:31,824 --> 00:13:34,344 Speaker 2: I hate the poor gen narrative. I also hate thee 295 00:13:34,544 --> 00:13:36,384 Speaker 2: and I think this is again a lot of the 296 00:13:36,424 --> 00:13:38,904 Speaker 2: way that journalism was in the sort of late two 297 00:13:38,984 --> 00:13:43,904 Speaker 2: thousands about like her being childless and she couldn't fell pregnant, 298 00:13:44,144 --> 00:13:48,104 Speaker 2: Like we know now, particularly millennial women are choosing to 299 00:13:48,384 --> 00:13:53,664 Speaker 2: not have children and having beautiful, fulfilled, happy lives where 300 00:13:53,664 --> 00:13:58,784 Speaker 2: they can still be surrounded by family, a chosen family, 301 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:03,784 Speaker 2: like I think that shifting that narrative from poor Jen 302 00:14:03,904 --> 00:14:08,384 Speaker 2: to I'm actually so freaking jealous because that looks incredible. 303 00:14:10,744 --> 00:14:12,344 Speaker 1: And that's the find thing when she's talking about the 304 00:14:12,384 --> 00:14:14,504 Speaker 1: children the headline and stuff in the Sanity Fair piece, 305 00:14:14,504 --> 00:14:16,984 Speaker 1: because she has talked, you know, since that whole Bright 306 00:14:17,024 --> 00:14:19,304 Speaker 1: Pit situation that she was going through IVF and she 307 00:14:19,344 --> 00:14:21,544 Speaker 1: was trying everything and they couldn't have kids. You can 308 00:14:21,584 --> 00:14:23,344 Speaker 1: kind of almost see the way she's talking in this 309 00:14:23,464 --> 00:14:26,864 Speaker 1: piece when she's talking about like the tabloid frenzy and 310 00:14:26,904 --> 00:14:29,224 Speaker 1: all these things, that this is a woman who just 311 00:14:29,784 --> 00:14:32,824 Speaker 1: hates media so much, and not even just like when 312 00:14:32,824 --> 00:14:35,624 Speaker 1: some celebrities talk about that side of their jobs, what 313 00:14:35,624 --> 00:14:38,264 Speaker 1: they're referring to as paparazzi, but she's talking about like 314 00:14:38,384 --> 00:14:41,624 Speaker 1: media paparazzi all in like one thing, and her hatred 315 00:14:41,624 --> 00:14:44,344 Speaker 1: of them runs so deep that it's like it kind 316 00:14:44,344 --> 00:14:45,904 Speaker 1: of tinges everything that she says. 317 00:14:46,344 --> 00:14:49,224 Speaker 2: I think when you grow up in that, I don't 318 00:14:49,264 --> 00:14:53,024 Speaker 2: imagine you would be able to escape that feeling. Yeah, 319 00:14:53,064 --> 00:14:56,144 Speaker 2: like being it is probably one of the things that 320 00:14:56,184 --> 00:14:58,944 Speaker 2: we hear the most from celebrities about that sort of 321 00:14:59,024 --> 00:15:02,664 Speaker 2: dark side of fame, about not being able to just 322 00:15:02,864 --> 00:15:05,424 Speaker 2: walk down the street and not being able to cry 323 00:15:05,464 --> 00:15:08,264 Speaker 2: in public, and not being without someone creating some sort 324 00:15:08,304 --> 00:15:10,744 Speaker 2: of narrative around it. Like, I have a lot of 325 00:15:10,784 --> 00:15:12,424 Speaker 2: empathy for that. And I know a lot of people 326 00:15:12,464 --> 00:15:14,384 Speaker 2: are like, oh, well, they're super rich, They're fine, Like, 327 00:15:15,024 --> 00:15:16,864 Speaker 2: you know, it's easier to cry in a Bentley than 328 00:15:16,904 --> 00:15:18,344 Speaker 2: it isn't it, Toyota? 329 00:15:18,624 --> 00:15:20,744 Speaker 1: But like, and I do wonder when people are like, oh, 330 00:15:20,824 --> 00:15:22,624 Speaker 1: what does she mean? She doesn't know what fame would 331 00:15:22,624 --> 00:15:23,744 Speaker 1: do to her, And I was like, well, there is 332 00:15:23,784 --> 00:15:25,264 Speaker 1: a world in which like she wanted to be a 333 00:15:25,304 --> 00:15:27,504 Speaker 1: working actress. She grew up with her father being a 334 00:15:27,544 --> 00:15:30,624 Speaker 1: working actor on a huge soap opera and seeing him 335 00:15:30,704 --> 00:15:33,104 Speaker 1: being an actor and working in that industry. But like 336 00:15:33,144 --> 00:15:35,744 Speaker 1: paparazzi never followed her dad, they never followed her family. 337 00:15:36,024 --> 00:15:38,864 Speaker 1: I don't even think they really reported on her parents' breakup, 338 00:15:38,984 --> 00:15:40,784 Speaker 1: or if they did, it was like a tiny minuscule 339 00:15:40,864 --> 00:15:43,984 Speaker 1: mention all of the tabloid stuff about her family which 340 00:15:44,024 --> 00:15:45,584 Speaker 1: blew up for years. That's the thing. It's not just 341 00:15:45,664 --> 00:15:48,624 Speaker 1: the brad pit stuff. Like the tabloid stuff attached itself 342 00:15:48,664 --> 00:15:51,104 Speaker 1: to her before Brad Pitt, because you know, she had 343 00:15:51,144 --> 00:15:53,344 Speaker 1: that huge hauling out with her mother, and then her 344 00:15:53,384 --> 00:15:56,264 Speaker 1: father like took a side and he was really famous, 345 00:15:56,384 --> 00:15:58,424 Speaker 1: like in a different demographic. And then her mother did 346 00:15:58,464 --> 00:16:01,064 Speaker 1: all these tell or magazine pieces and then Jennifer and 347 00:16:01,104 --> 00:16:03,104 Speaker 1: Niston came out and was like, please stop. And then 348 00:16:03,104 --> 00:16:05,104 Speaker 1: her mum wrote a book about her, and then she 349 00:16:05,104 --> 00:16:06,984 Speaker 1: looked after her mom before her death, and her mum 350 00:16:07,064 --> 00:16:09,624 Speaker 1: wasn't at her wedding, but her dad was like that. 351 00:16:10,344 --> 00:16:14,264 Speaker 2: But also, let's remember the nature of media in the 352 00:16:14,384 --> 00:16:17,624 Speaker 2: nineties versus the nature of the media two thousands. Of 353 00:16:17,664 --> 00:16:20,984 Speaker 2: the nature of the media. Now we're talking about the 354 00:16:21,064 --> 00:16:24,624 Speaker 2: rise of the Internet. We're talking about the rise of paparazzi. 355 00:16:24,904 --> 00:16:26,944 Speaker 2: I mean, we're sitting here on a podcast doing a 356 00:16:26,984 --> 00:16:30,704 Speaker 2: half an hour episode talking about this woman and her life, 357 00:16:30,784 --> 00:16:34,224 Speaker 2: because that is the way that media and the way 358 00:16:34,224 --> 00:16:37,704 Speaker 2: that we communicate with each other has changed. I do 359 00:16:37,744 --> 00:16:39,544 Speaker 2: think it's slightly better than it was in those early 360 00:16:39,584 --> 00:16:42,104 Speaker 2: two thousands, where it was so salacious and it was 361 00:16:42,184 --> 00:16:46,504 Speaker 2: let's get the ugliest, worst possible moment, and Brad and 362 00:16:46,624 --> 00:16:51,024 Speaker 2: Jen's divorce happened right smack bang in the middle of 363 00:16:51,064 --> 00:16:53,704 Speaker 2: the height of that, and that is what people have 364 00:16:53,824 --> 00:16:54,904 Speaker 2: really latched onto. 365 00:16:55,104 --> 00:16:57,184 Speaker 1: And look, there is stuff to latch onto. Because again, 366 00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:59,224 Speaker 1: as much as I'm talking about the beautiful friendship, dinners 367 00:16:59,264 --> 00:17:01,024 Speaker 1: and that sort of stuff, I did like the little 368 00:17:01,064 --> 00:17:03,984 Speaker 1: tidbit in there about her and Grenda Paltrow because it 369 00:17:04,064 --> 00:17:06,464 Speaker 1: just connected dots in my head that I knew, but 370 00:17:06,504 --> 00:17:08,944 Speaker 1: I hadn't put the information together. So obviously, she and 371 00:17:08,944 --> 00:17:11,824 Speaker 1: Grona Paltrow is still really good friends. She even says 372 00:17:11,824 --> 00:17:13,864 Speaker 1: they swap a lot of info about doctors. They talk 373 00:17:13,944 --> 00:17:16,744 Speaker 1: more about doctors and like beauty procedures than men, which 374 00:17:16,744 --> 00:17:19,584 Speaker 1: I one hundred percent believe is true for them. But 375 00:17:19,904 --> 00:17:22,264 Speaker 1: I didn't kind of connect the dots that when Gwyneth 376 00:17:22,304 --> 00:17:25,424 Speaker 1: Paltrow and Brad were engaged. Jen Anison was in their circle, 377 00:17:25,504 --> 00:17:26,824 Speaker 1: so she went to their engagement party. 378 00:17:26,824 --> 00:17:28,344 Speaker 2: I no, she was like, ironically, I went to the 379 00:17:28,344 --> 00:17:31,344 Speaker 2: engagement party and then a year later, so I did 380 00:17:31,344 --> 00:17:35,104 Speaker 2: the math on it. Ninety seven is when they got engaged. 381 00:17:35,704 --> 00:17:37,624 Speaker 2: Brad and Jan started dating in ninety eight, so it 382 00:17:37,664 --> 00:17:40,784 Speaker 2: was a year after this engagement party that she went 383 00:17:40,904 --> 00:17:43,824 Speaker 2: to Scunn the Lord, which is. 384 00:17:43,824 --> 00:17:46,704 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not saying anything untoward happened. I don't think 385 00:17:46,744 --> 00:17:48,464 Speaker 1: that at all, but I do think they're how we 386 00:17:48,584 --> 00:17:50,784 Speaker 1: met story. A shadow has been cast on it because 387 00:17:50,864 --> 00:17:53,144 Speaker 1: Jen and Brad have always said their managers set them up, 388 00:17:53,224 --> 00:17:56,264 Speaker 1: which maybe did. Maybe their managers were like, they facilitated 389 00:17:56,304 --> 00:17:58,824 Speaker 1: it because they can't be sliding into dms back in 390 00:17:58,864 --> 00:18:01,384 Speaker 1: the day, But that always meant it sound like they 391 00:18:01,384 --> 00:18:03,424 Speaker 1: were kind of strange in the industry who didn't know 392 00:18:03,464 --> 00:18:05,384 Speaker 1: each other and had their managers set them up. It's 393 00:18:05,424 --> 00:18:07,424 Speaker 1: so different having your manager set you up with your 394 00:18:07,464 --> 00:18:10,744 Speaker 1: friend's ex fiance who's in your friendships circle. 395 00:18:10,864 --> 00:18:13,344 Speaker 2: Again, Gwennas said that she's the one that sort of 396 00:18:13,344 --> 00:18:17,464 Speaker 2: broke the engagement off, so maybe then you can have it. 397 00:18:17,784 --> 00:18:19,624 Speaker 1: I just think it's all fine. I just also think 398 00:18:19,624 --> 00:18:21,944 Speaker 1: that that has changed the story of how Brad Pitt 399 00:18:21,944 --> 00:18:24,704 Speaker 1: and Jennifer Aniston met, and no one is picking up 400 00:18:24,744 --> 00:18:26,864 Speaker 1: on that as the red hot gossip. They're picking up 401 00:18:26,864 --> 00:18:28,944 Speaker 1: on the fact that they're like, did you and Gwenneth 402 00:18:28,984 --> 00:18:31,144 Speaker 1: ever talk about Brad? And She's like, of course, we're girls. 403 00:18:31,504 --> 00:18:33,744 Speaker 1: But they're probably like, he's not that interesting at the moment. 404 00:18:33,744 --> 00:18:35,584 Speaker 1: They're probably just like, oh, Jesus Christ, did you see 405 00:18:35,664 --> 00:18:37,704 Speaker 1: him the outfit he was wearing. I know, I feel 406 00:18:37,704 --> 00:18:39,824 Speaker 1: like when you see the blue pants. 407 00:18:39,784 --> 00:18:44,464 Speaker 2: It's like not as much there anymore. And obviously there's 408 00:18:44,544 --> 00:18:47,264 Speaker 2: been some problematic things about Brad Pitt that have happened 409 00:18:47,304 --> 00:18:50,304 Speaker 2: in the last few years. But you said something really 410 00:18:50,344 --> 00:18:54,064 Speaker 2: really interesting this morning that struck me. And you know, 411 00:18:54,184 --> 00:18:57,584 Speaker 2: after seeing all of the headlines the place is picking 412 00:18:57,664 --> 00:19:00,744 Speaker 2: up on the articles. You know, this all this brand 413 00:19:00,784 --> 00:19:05,304 Speaker 2: new information, and you said something that like was You're 414 00:19:05,384 --> 00:19:07,344 Speaker 2: very intuitive, Laura Brodnick, I. 415 00:19:07,264 --> 00:19:09,024 Speaker 1: Just put too much thought into these things. Yeah, I 416 00:19:09,064 --> 00:19:11,104 Speaker 1: guess the thing is like I saw the photos come 417 00:19:11,144 --> 00:19:13,424 Speaker 1: out of Jennifer Aniston and that she had done this 418 00:19:13,424 --> 00:19:16,464 Speaker 1: big profile, and I just find her an endlessly interesting woman. 419 00:19:16,504 --> 00:19:18,184 Speaker 1: So I was really excited I clicked into it. I 420 00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:19,664 Speaker 1: read the whole thing, and I think, you know, you 421 00:19:19,704 --> 00:19:22,064 Speaker 1: can tell I was a fan of profile. But after 422 00:19:22,104 --> 00:19:25,184 Speaker 1: reading the stories about what her home looked like and 423 00:19:25,224 --> 00:19:28,144 Speaker 1: how her friend's treat her and little tidbits about like 424 00:19:28,224 --> 00:19:29,784 Speaker 1: the Morning Show and all these sort of things, I 425 00:19:29,824 --> 00:19:31,984 Speaker 1: got to the end of the article and I was like, 426 00:19:32,104 --> 00:19:35,944 Speaker 1: it's so interesting how this feels like this woman gave 427 00:19:35,984 --> 00:19:39,104 Speaker 1: this big, open, honest profile. And I think it's because 428 00:19:39,144 --> 00:19:41,624 Speaker 1: she's been famous for so long. Jennifer Andison is so 429 00:19:41,784 --> 00:19:45,024 Speaker 1: good at making you feel like when you're reading her 430 00:19:45,024 --> 00:19:47,704 Speaker 1: words or she's in an interview, making you feel like 431 00:19:47,704 --> 00:19:50,704 Speaker 1: she's giving you all this honest information and she's being 432 00:19:50,744 --> 00:19:53,384 Speaker 1: really warm and open. But when you actually look at 433 00:19:53,424 --> 00:19:56,104 Speaker 1: it and like the stark words on a page, she 434 00:19:56,184 --> 00:19:59,024 Speaker 1: doesn't give anything away. Like she's so media trained and 435 00:19:59,064 --> 00:20:00,984 Speaker 1: she has such a hatred of the media and the 436 00:20:00,984 --> 00:20:03,944 Speaker 1: public's perception of her that she's actually the most guarded 437 00:20:04,064 --> 00:20:06,984 Speaker 1: celebrity I think, but she comes off as the most open. 438 00:20:07,104 --> 00:20:10,744 Speaker 2: And that is the magic of her inter terms of 439 00:20:10,784 --> 00:20:13,504 Speaker 2: the way that she presents herself to the world. And 440 00:20:13,584 --> 00:20:16,104 Speaker 2: we can say that in stark contrast to the way 441 00:20:16,144 --> 00:20:21,504 Speaker 2: the Sydney Sweeney article was received when Sidney Sweeney was 442 00:20:21,544 --> 00:20:24,744 Speaker 2: talked about being very guarded and didn't want to answer 443 00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:27,544 Speaker 2: questions because she didn't want things to be misconstrued, which 444 00:20:27,744 --> 00:20:30,424 Speaker 2: let's not forget Jen Aniston just said the exact same 445 00:20:30,464 --> 00:20:34,344 Speaker 2: thing in an article two days later. Yet we have 446 00:20:34,624 --> 00:20:40,104 Speaker 2: a feeling of warmth and this genuine nature and kindness 447 00:20:40,544 --> 00:20:45,464 Speaker 2: oozing from it, even though it is still incredibly guarded. 448 00:20:46,144 --> 00:20:49,544 Speaker 2: And that's actually an incredible skill to have. And I 449 00:20:49,544 --> 00:20:53,304 Speaker 2: think that just goes to show her experience and the 450 00:20:53,344 --> 00:20:55,424 Speaker 2: fact that she's been in the industry for so long. 451 00:20:55,584 --> 00:20:58,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, she knows how like bread crumb a little bit. 452 00:20:58,264 --> 00:21:00,664 Speaker 1: Because it also feels like she talks about Brad Pitt 453 00:21:01,104 --> 00:21:02,984 Speaker 1: slightly in the articles, because she was talking about the 454 00:21:03,064 --> 00:21:04,504 Speaker 1: last time that she did a big sit down with 455 00:21:04,624 --> 00:21:06,904 Speaker 1: Thanity Fair and they came to her home and it 456 00:21:06,944 --> 00:21:09,024 Speaker 1: was in the midst of she calls it like the 457 00:21:09,064 --> 00:21:11,944 Speaker 1: love triangle, the separation, so like the whole, like Brad 458 00:21:11,984 --> 00:21:15,024 Speaker 1: Pitt leaving her for Angelina Jolly and everything that happened 459 00:21:15,104 --> 00:21:17,544 Speaker 1: after that. And it sounds like she's giving you this 460 00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:20,184 Speaker 1: exclusive look. But if you also look back at what 461 00:21:20,224 --> 00:21:22,104 Speaker 1: she said about bad pit over the years, she said, 462 00:21:22,104 --> 00:21:25,144 Speaker 1: like maybe five sentences over like twenty years, but they've 463 00:21:25,144 --> 00:21:27,344 Speaker 1: all been so like kind of stark that they stick 464 00:21:27,384 --> 00:21:29,624 Speaker 1: in your mind. Of like how she talks about him. 465 00:21:29,864 --> 00:21:31,544 Speaker 1: Do you remember when like that whole thing came out, 466 00:21:31,584 --> 00:21:35,264 Speaker 1: like after their divorce was finalized, and even kind of 467 00:21:35,264 --> 00:21:37,584 Speaker 1: before that. I don't know how cross their breakup you are. 468 00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:39,784 Speaker 1: It's weirdly one of those things I know a lot 469 00:21:39,824 --> 00:21:43,064 Speaker 1: about it. I was all encompassing at the time. How 470 00:21:43,144 --> 00:21:45,424 Speaker 1: like Jen and Brad were pictured like out on a 471 00:21:45,504 --> 00:21:48,224 Speaker 1: walk together, like everyone thought their marriage was over and 472 00:21:48,264 --> 00:21:50,504 Speaker 1: they went on vacation, they went on a walk, They 473 00:21:50,544 --> 00:21:52,864 Speaker 1: purposely left the compound they were in to walk in 474 00:21:52,904 --> 00:21:55,824 Speaker 1: front of the cameras. And then two days later, after 475 00:21:56,104 --> 00:21:57,864 Speaker 1: they hid show in the world like, look, we're together. 476 00:21:58,184 --> 00:22:02,304 Speaker 1: They put out their whole statement together that they were divorcing, 477 00:22:02,424 --> 00:22:05,624 Speaker 1: and then Brad and and were like they very clearly 478 00:22:05,624 --> 00:22:08,144 Speaker 1: set up paparazzi shots of the two of them to 479 00:22:08,224 --> 00:22:11,424 Speaker 1: announce their relationship. But not long after that, there had 480 00:22:11,464 --> 00:22:14,384 Speaker 1: been all these talks that Brad Pitt had left Jennifer 481 00:22:14,384 --> 00:22:17,864 Speaker 1: Aniston because she couldn't have a child. Yeah, and he 482 00:22:17,904 --> 00:22:20,224 Speaker 1: didn't do anything to dis spell that at the time. 483 00:22:20,344 --> 00:22:22,704 Speaker 1: I don't think he ever has addressed that, But he 484 00:22:22,744 --> 00:22:26,584 Speaker 1: did do this big glossy magazine shoot with Angeline Joel 485 00:22:26,624 --> 00:22:28,184 Speaker 1: Blee where the whole idea was was. 486 00:22:28,224 --> 00:22:31,944 Speaker 2: He lying in a pool with a suit on? Yeah, 487 00:22:32,144 --> 00:22:37,104 Speaker 2: that is like the most classic male magazine spread trope 488 00:22:37,184 --> 00:22:39,264 Speaker 2: is man in suit floating in water. 489 00:22:39,624 --> 00:22:43,344 Speaker 1: Exactly apparent reason they had stunt children, fake children being 490 00:22:43,384 --> 00:22:45,824 Speaker 1: like playing like their children on this set. It was 491 00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:47,464 Speaker 1: like this. It was meant to be like the traditional 492 00:22:47,544 --> 00:22:51,544 Speaker 1: American family, like the perfect American family featuring Brad Pitt, 493 00:22:51,584 --> 00:22:54,744 Speaker 1: Angeline and Jolly and the beautiful life they're creating. So 494 00:22:54,824 --> 00:22:58,664 Speaker 1: that came out and Jennifer Aniston said, like he has 495 00:22:58,704 --> 00:23:02,184 Speaker 1: a sensitivity chit missing, which was just really one of 496 00:23:02,224 --> 00:23:03,704 Speaker 1: the worst things you can say about someone that you 497 00:23:03,704 --> 00:23:06,664 Speaker 1: were married to and over the years, like they kind 498 00:23:06,664 --> 00:23:09,184 Speaker 1: of trade a little barbs back and forth, like do 499 00:23:09,264 --> 00:23:11,704 Speaker 1: you remember it's okay for because maybe you have a life. 500 00:23:12,064 --> 00:23:14,624 Speaker 1: When he said that one of the reasons he got 501 00:23:14,624 --> 00:23:18,224 Speaker 1: divorced from Jennifer Aniston is because he was looking for 502 00:23:18,344 --> 00:23:21,864 Speaker 1: an interesting movie role, and he realized that he wanted 503 00:23:21,864 --> 00:23:25,184 Speaker 1: an interesting movie role because he wasn't living an interesting 504 00:23:25,264 --> 00:23:27,304 Speaker 1: life because he was married to Jennifer Aniston. 505 00:23:27,664 --> 00:23:29,584 Speaker 2: No, I don't remember that, and it's not because I 506 00:23:29,584 --> 00:23:33,944 Speaker 2: don't have a life, it's because you have an incredible memory. 507 00:23:34,144 --> 00:23:35,624 Speaker 1: Well I wish I didn't remember that because it was 508 00:23:35,664 --> 00:23:37,504 Speaker 1: like one of the cruelest things you could say cruel. 509 00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:39,544 Speaker 1: And later on he's like, oh, don't know the media 510 00:23:39,664 --> 00:23:41,624 Speaker 1: spun that. I'm like, no, no, so you said it. 511 00:23:41,664 --> 00:23:44,024 Speaker 2: You said it, like you can't, like we're not on 512 00:23:44,104 --> 00:23:46,384 Speaker 2: love Island here where we chop change and married at 513 00:23:46,384 --> 00:23:50,184 Speaker 2: first sight, like you said it. Yeah, don't try on tiptopry. 514 00:23:51,144 --> 00:23:52,704 Speaker 1: I know exactly him trying to say I'm sorry. It's 515 00:23:52,704 --> 00:23:55,664 Speaker 1: like someone saying I'm sorry you were upset, and I'm sorry, Oh, 516 00:23:55,704 --> 00:23:57,904 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I upset you anyway. I don't mean to 517 00:23:57,944 --> 00:24:00,384 Speaker 1: drop every terrible thing Bright Pitt's ever done, because we 518 00:24:00,424 --> 00:24:02,944 Speaker 1: have already done episodes about that. But it did make 519 00:24:02,984 --> 00:24:05,024 Speaker 1: me think is like she's mentioned like brid Pet a 520 00:24:05,024 --> 00:24:08,064 Speaker 1: little bit in this profile, and there's this whole, huge, 521 00:24:08,264 --> 00:24:12,984 Speaker 1: sordid kind of story about them, and even in this profile, 522 00:24:12,984 --> 00:24:15,824 Speaker 1: people are still looking for almost like a sign that 523 00:24:15,864 --> 00:24:19,224 Speaker 1: they're still friendly or a signed, there's a reconciliation. We 524 00:24:19,304 --> 00:24:21,424 Speaker 1: do know they're friendly now, which I hate for her. 525 00:24:21,664 --> 00:24:25,904 Speaker 2: Like it's also she just must be so exhausted by it. 526 00:24:26,544 --> 00:24:28,624 Speaker 2: We're fascinated by it because it was such a big 527 00:24:28,664 --> 00:24:31,384 Speaker 2: part of our lives, But can you imagine it still 528 00:24:31,424 --> 00:24:33,104 Speaker 2: being asked about an extra twenty years ago. 529 00:24:33,304 --> 00:24:35,344 Speaker 1: No, And that's why I wonder why she's been so 530 00:24:35,384 --> 00:24:38,064 Speaker 1: public about the fact that she's friendly with him again. Also, 531 00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:39,944 Speaker 1: she hasn't done it since a lot of this stuff 532 00:24:39,944 --> 00:24:43,304 Speaker 1: has come out about him potentially being like allegedly being 533 00:24:43,344 --> 00:24:45,424 Speaker 1: really abusive to Angelina and Jolly and the kids and 534 00:24:45,424 --> 00:24:47,304 Speaker 1: all that stuff. So she hasn't said too much since 535 00:24:47,304 --> 00:24:49,504 Speaker 1: all that came out. So maybe she's hedging her bets 536 00:24:49,504 --> 00:24:52,944 Speaker 1: a bit now. But like they had that it was 537 00:24:53,104 --> 00:24:55,944 Speaker 1: iconic meeting at the SAG Awards when he grabbed her 538 00:24:56,024 --> 00:24:59,024 Speaker 1: arm backstage, like caressed her arm, and then they were 539 00:24:59,024 --> 00:25:00,984 Speaker 1: on a zoom together where they did the whole Haye 540 00:25:01,024 --> 00:25:03,864 Speaker 1: pitt Hey Addison. Yeah, I know. Then he went to 541 00:25:03,904 --> 00:25:07,704 Speaker 1: her fiftieth birthday unnecessary, there were lots of other fabulous 542 00:25:07,704 --> 00:25:09,744 Speaker 1: people there. Katie Perry and Kate Husson got in a 543 00:25:09,784 --> 00:25:12,464 Speaker 1: fight about it. Towards about who posted photos, plenty of 544 00:25:12,544 --> 00:25:15,864 Speaker 1: things happening without brad Pitt being evolved, and then recently 545 00:25:15,864 --> 00:25:18,544 Speaker 1: they've been like spotted events together and calling each other buddy. 546 00:25:19,064 --> 00:25:21,184 Speaker 2: I mean, look like water under the bridge, Like you can, 547 00:25:21,264 --> 00:25:23,544 Speaker 2: you know, say terrible things about someone and forgive them. 548 00:25:23,584 --> 00:25:28,264 Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, from what I can gather, maintaining 549 00:25:28,264 --> 00:25:31,704 Speaker 2: that level of like hatred for someone or that animosity 550 00:25:31,744 --> 00:25:34,384 Speaker 2: towards someone is so much heavier on yourself than it 551 00:25:34,424 --> 00:25:34,904 Speaker 2: is on them. 552 00:25:35,144 --> 00:25:36,864 Speaker 1: Right, No, No, I definitely get that. 553 00:25:37,384 --> 00:25:39,984 Speaker 2: You've got to get to a point, particularly at fifty seven, 554 00:25:40,024 --> 00:25:42,304 Speaker 2: and I think anyone who's older, you'll talk to them 555 00:25:42,304 --> 00:25:46,104 Speaker 2: and it's like I don't have room or space in 556 00:25:46,144 --> 00:25:48,704 Speaker 2: my soul that kind of stuff anymore. 557 00:25:49,424 --> 00:25:51,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not even like I definitely understand why she 558 00:25:51,624 --> 00:25:55,064 Speaker 1: personally like it's easier to forgive him. For all we know, 559 00:25:55,144 --> 00:25:58,024 Speaker 1: she's also forgiven Angelina Jolly, who is probably the more 560 00:25:58,144 --> 00:26:01,424 Speaker 1: like less culpable person in this situation. It's more so 561 00:26:01,504 --> 00:26:04,104 Speaker 1: that it's been so public, but also maybe that is 562 00:26:04,184 --> 00:26:06,344 Speaker 1: part of her plan, because as much as she hates 563 00:26:06,384 --> 00:26:08,144 Speaker 1: media and she hates her brands and she hates people 564 00:26:08,184 --> 00:26:10,184 Speaker 1: talking about her. She has to control it to a 565 00:26:11,064 --> 00:26:13,184 Speaker 1: And it's true that the narrative of like poor jen 566 00:26:13,264 --> 00:26:16,904 Speaker 1: Aniston slightly altered once people thought she and Bride were 567 00:26:16,904 --> 00:26:19,624 Speaker 1: friends because she didn't seem as publicly as the jilted woman. 568 00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:22,584 Speaker 2: Well and not as publicly humiliated, because that is what 569 00:26:22,704 --> 00:26:25,904 Speaker 2: happened when you know, Brad stepped out with Angelina. It 570 00:26:25,944 --> 00:26:30,144 Speaker 2: was just really humiliating for her, and I can understand that. 571 00:26:30,544 --> 00:26:32,784 Speaker 2: But now you know she's taken her power back. She's 572 00:26:32,824 --> 00:26:35,944 Speaker 2: talking about the morning show, excellent show. You know, her 573 00:26:35,984 --> 00:26:39,304 Speaker 2: friendship with Breeze Witherspoon, you know, talking about how like 574 00:26:39,784 --> 00:26:43,144 Speaker 2: that relationship between the two women is about a copastic 575 00:26:43,184 --> 00:26:46,984 Speaker 2: relationship rather than something that is out of odds with each other, 576 00:26:47,024 --> 00:26:49,264 Speaker 2: which I think is really nice overall. 577 00:26:49,504 --> 00:26:53,544 Speaker 1: Would recommend, yes, would recommend thirty minutes to say that 578 00:26:53,584 --> 00:26:54,224 Speaker 1: great profile. 579 00:26:54,504 --> 00:26:59,944 Speaker 2: Great profile. Maybe not necessarily anything particularly new, but Jennifer 580 00:26:59,944 --> 00:27:02,544 Speaker 2: Aniston is a wizard with the media. 581 00:27:02,384 --> 00:27:02,864 Speaker 1: Yes she is. 582 00:27:03,384 --> 00:27:06,744 Speaker 2: Okay, friends, We've got something very exciting for you all. 583 00:27:06,864 --> 00:27:08,584 Speaker 2: Do you want to win a Tender Look gift foucher 584 00:27:08,904 --> 00:27:13,224 Speaker 2: and also a month free Mama Miya subscription, Well, all 585 00:27:13,224 --> 00:27:15,104 Speaker 2: you have to do is fill out a survey that 586 00:27:15,224 --> 00:27:17,584 Speaker 2: is in our show notes, and we're going to give 587 00:27:17,624 --> 00:27:20,024 Speaker 2: you a little gift and if you already have a 588 00:27:20,264 --> 00:27:23,544 Speaker 2: Mama Miya subscription, you can give to a friend or 589 00:27:23,624 --> 00:27:26,424 Speaker 2: family member. 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