1 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:20,664 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:20,304 --> 00:00:27,544 Speaker 1: On From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this Spill your daily 5 00:00:27,584 --> 00:00:30,544 Speaker 1: pop culture fix. I'm Kelly McCarron and I'm Laura Brodnick. 6 00:00:30,744 --> 00:00:34,104 Speaker 1: On today's show, we are talking about a resurfaced interview 7 00:00:34,104 --> 00:00:36,624 Speaker 1: Anne Hathaway did twelve years ago, and it says a 8 00:00:36,664 --> 00:00:39,624 Speaker 1: lot about what people still think about her. Jaylo has 9 00:00:39,664 --> 00:00:42,264 Speaker 1: spoken about her divorce from Ben Affleck for the very 10 00:00:42,304 --> 00:00:42,864 Speaker 1: first time. 11 00:00:43,064 --> 00:00:46,464 Speaker 2: But first, but first, So yesterday I had to sneak 12 00:00:46,504 --> 00:00:48,264 Speaker 2: away from work for a little bit. I couldn't tell 13 00:00:48,264 --> 00:00:50,824 Speaker 2: anyone where I was going. This was a top event, 14 00:00:51,064 --> 00:00:53,344 Speaker 2: I know. I'm sure my team maybe thought I was 15 00:00:53,664 --> 00:00:55,464 Speaker 2: gone for the day public To be fair, they've probably 16 00:00:55,464 --> 00:00:57,664 Speaker 2: in the cupboard or something. Were just busy and didn't notice. 17 00:00:57,704 --> 00:00:59,024 Speaker 2: Well that's probably fair as well. 18 00:00:59,064 --> 00:01:01,064 Speaker 1: Everyone's very self involved in these days. 19 00:01:01,104 --> 00:01:02,864 Speaker 2: But I can now talk about it because it has 20 00:01:02,904 --> 00:01:05,104 Speaker 2: officially been announced. So I went to the launch for 21 00:01:05,184 --> 00:01:08,744 Speaker 2: the new Stan original series drag Raystone under the new season, 22 00:01:09,104 --> 00:01:12,584 Speaker 2: which is coming out first Ofmber. Get excited this season. 23 00:01:12,784 --> 00:01:21,064 Speaker 1: The Queens are in my house. I've got the sweetest 24 00:01:21,064 --> 00:01:22,744 Speaker 1: tooth in town. Until I don't. 25 00:01:24,624 --> 00:01:26,464 Speaker 3: These girls better not sleep on me. 26 00:01:27,584 --> 00:01:31,904 Speaker 2: I'm here to attack the competition with a mug like this. 27 00:01:32,464 --> 00:01:33,784 Speaker 3: You'll better watch out. 28 00:01:35,384 --> 00:01:42,224 Speaker 1: Comes like this up. The best thing on your TV 29 00:01:43,024 --> 00:01:54,304 Speaker 1: is me. It's time to break them old. Prepare for 30 00:01:54,344 --> 00:01:55,784 Speaker 1: the right of your life. 31 00:01:56,584 --> 00:02:00,664 Speaker 2: Try gagging. Get ready for a party down under? 32 00:02:01,384 --> 00:02:10,504 Speaker 1: Who what's the tea dolls? I love that. 33 00:02:11,304 --> 00:02:13,344 Speaker 2: So it was a drag brunch, which is always a 34 00:02:13,344 --> 00:02:15,704 Speaker 2: fun time, and it was at the Imperial where actually 35 00:02:15,704 --> 00:02:18,024 Speaker 2: some scenes from Priscilla, Queen of the Desert were filmed, 36 00:02:18,024 --> 00:02:20,464 Speaker 2: so the little bar is called Priscilla's, so it was 37 00:02:20,624 --> 00:02:22,624 Speaker 2: very fitting. And so we sat down and had brunch 38 00:02:22,664 --> 00:02:24,784 Speaker 2: with the entire new cast and they announced everyone. I 39 00:02:24,824 --> 00:02:26,144 Speaker 2: have some of their names here because I feel like 40 00:02:26,184 --> 00:02:28,504 Speaker 2: when you find out the new cast of a drag 41 00:02:28,584 --> 00:02:30,864 Speaker 2: Race season, finding out their names and where they're from 42 00:02:31,024 --> 00:02:33,544 Speaker 2: is one of the big highlights. So we've got Freya 43 00:02:33,664 --> 00:02:38,744 Speaker 2: Armani from Brisbane, Canna Ford from Sydney, Lazy Susan from Melbourne, 44 00:02:38,984 --> 00:02:43,104 Speaker 2: Lucina Innocence from Auckland, Mandy Moves from Brisbane, Max drag 45 00:02:43,184 --> 00:02:47,744 Speaker 2: Queen from Melbourne, Nikita Iman from Auckland, Olivia, Dreams from Wellington, 46 00:02:48,064 --> 00:02:49,024 Speaker 2: Vibe from Sydney. 47 00:02:49,304 --> 00:02:51,984 Speaker 1: That must have been such a fun brunch, Please tell 48 00:02:52,064 --> 00:02:52,784 Speaker 1: us about it. 49 00:02:52,784 --> 00:02:55,264 Speaker 2: It's exactly what brunch should have in terms of the 50 00:02:55,304 --> 00:02:58,664 Speaker 2: bottomless yes that as well excellent food, excellent drinks, but 51 00:02:58,744 --> 00:03:02,824 Speaker 2: also drag queens in their full fol like you know, 52 00:03:02,864 --> 00:03:06,024 Speaker 2: in the morning, looking glorious talking at the tables. And 53 00:03:06,064 --> 00:03:09,544 Speaker 2: then we had past contestants like etcetera, etcetera, Coco Jumbo, 54 00:03:09,744 --> 00:03:13,624 Speaker 2: Maxie she Yield and Hanaconda up on stage doing performances. 55 00:03:13,984 --> 00:03:15,464 Speaker 2: So that was amazing as well, and I thought it 56 00:03:15,504 --> 00:03:17,344 Speaker 2: was just a really good reminder, like I know, Australia 57 00:03:17,464 --> 00:03:19,944 Speaker 2: loves drag Race, and we love the Australian version of 58 00:03:20,024 --> 00:03:21,824 Speaker 2: drag Race, but a lot of the queens when they're 59 00:03:21,904 --> 00:03:24,264 Speaker 2: up on stage, we're talking about like the need to 60 00:03:24,424 --> 00:03:28,104 Speaker 2: embrace them and like support them after the show and 61 00:03:28,104 --> 00:03:30,264 Speaker 2: also watching it, which people do. But I think, you know, 62 00:03:30,304 --> 00:03:33,904 Speaker 2: there's other reality shows that sometimes we gravitate towards propping 63 00:03:33,944 --> 00:03:36,384 Speaker 2: up those contestants after the show, whereas you've got the 64 00:03:36,424 --> 00:03:38,264 Speaker 2: drag queens out here who like every time a drag 65 00:03:38,344 --> 00:03:40,784 Speaker 2: queen walks into a room, and especially the contestants from 66 00:03:40,824 --> 00:03:42,824 Speaker 2: Drag Race, you just feel the whole vibe lift and 67 00:03:42,824 --> 00:03:44,544 Speaker 2: people have so much joy from them and there's so 68 00:03:44,624 --> 00:03:48,504 Speaker 2: much crafted attention to detail that goes into everything they do. 69 00:03:48,984 --> 00:03:50,624 Speaker 2: So I just feel like this is going to be 70 00:03:50,664 --> 00:03:52,944 Speaker 2: a really fun season on STANP. And for the first 71 00:03:52,944 --> 00:03:55,224 Speaker 2: time RuPaul is not there as like the main host 72 00:03:55,264 --> 00:03:58,264 Speaker 2: and judge. It's Michelle Visage along with Rhys Nicholson who 73 00:03:58,264 --> 00:03:59,664 Speaker 2: were doing the judging, so I think that's going to 74 00:03:59,704 --> 00:04:00,904 Speaker 2: be a bit of a spin on it as well. 75 00:04:01,304 --> 00:04:03,704 Speaker 2: So I'll put some photos up from the event on 76 00:04:03,744 --> 00:04:06,464 Speaker 2: our Instagram page, which is a spilled podcast on Instagram, 77 00:04:06,504 --> 00:04:09,064 Speaker 2: And yeah, marking your calendar is Friday, November one, Drag 78 00:04:09,144 --> 00:04:12,864 Speaker 2: Race coming back to Australia. Nana. Well, it was just 79 00:04:12,904 --> 00:04:15,144 Speaker 2: a few days ago that we were all falling over 80 00:04:15,144 --> 00:04:18,384 Speaker 2: Anne Hathaway and so excited because she announced the Princess 81 00:04:18,384 --> 00:04:21,344 Speaker 2: Diary story was in production with a very cute video. 82 00:04:21,544 --> 00:04:24,624 Speaker 2: And this goes to show just how quickly the tie 83 00:04:24,624 --> 00:04:27,744 Speaker 2: can turn for you on the internet because on October fifth, 84 00:04:27,784 --> 00:04:30,544 Speaker 2: so kind of around the timetime this was happening. Norwegian 85 00:04:30,664 --> 00:04:34,544 Speaker 2: entertainment journalist Shashti Flah, who if your name sounds familiar, 86 00:04:34,624 --> 00:04:36,624 Speaker 2: it's because she's been in the news quite a lot 87 00:04:36,624 --> 00:04:39,024 Speaker 2: this year for another infamous interview with Blake Lively, but 88 00:04:39,064 --> 00:04:41,904 Speaker 2: we'll get to that, has posted a clip of an 89 00:04:41,944 --> 00:04:44,984 Speaker 2: interview that she did many, many years ago with Anne 90 00:04:44,984 --> 00:04:47,744 Speaker 2: Hathaway while she was on the press tour for lat Years, 91 00:04:47,744 --> 00:04:49,984 Speaker 2: which she ended up winning an Oscar for. And so 92 00:04:50,224 --> 00:04:54,224 Speaker 2: in this clip, it shows Shasti interviewing Anne Hathaway and 93 00:04:54,464 --> 00:04:56,504 Speaker 2: it starts on a bad note and then the interview 94 00:04:56,584 --> 00:04:57,504 Speaker 2: quickly gets worse. 95 00:04:57,904 --> 00:04:59,064 Speaker 3: So I was going to ask you to do the 96 00:04:59,104 --> 00:05:01,304 Speaker 3: first question in singing, Can I sing it to. 97 00:05:01,264 --> 00:05:02,944 Speaker 2: You and you can sing back the answer? 98 00:05:03,104 --> 00:05:04,344 Speaker 1: Well, I won't be doing that, but you're more than 99 00:05:04,344 --> 00:05:04,944 Speaker 1: welcome to sing. 100 00:05:05,384 --> 00:05:08,224 Speaker 3: Kirsteve flaher, do you feel that love was more passionate 101 00:05:08,264 --> 00:05:11,144 Speaker 3: back then or people would sacrifice more for low than 102 00:05:11,184 --> 00:05:11,864 Speaker 3: we do today? 103 00:05:12,144 --> 00:05:13,984 Speaker 4: No? 104 00:05:13,464 --> 00:05:19,104 Speaker 2: No, do you remember your first crush? No? I don't. 105 00:05:19,464 --> 00:05:22,064 Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, thank you very much? 106 00:05:22,344 --> 00:05:24,424 Speaker 2: Is that it? Well? This is what I think is 107 00:05:24,504 --> 00:05:27,104 Speaker 2: important to note is that that's the clip that she 108 00:05:27,224 --> 00:05:29,464 Speaker 2: put out there in terms of like, that's the edited clip, 109 00:05:29,464 --> 00:05:31,224 Speaker 2: but we haven't seen the interview. 110 00:05:31,384 --> 00:05:32,904 Speaker 1: Surely that's not the full interview. 111 00:05:32,984 --> 00:05:34,384 Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm sure there was more, but I mean 112 00:05:34,384 --> 00:05:36,584 Speaker 2: it might not be much more. Sometimes these press interviews 113 00:05:36,584 --> 00:05:38,824 Speaker 2: can be five minutes, so that might have been it. 114 00:05:39,104 --> 00:05:41,504 Speaker 2: So the journalist released this clip with a bit of 115 00:05:41,504 --> 00:05:45,064 Speaker 2: commentary around it, saying that it was a cringe interview 116 00:05:45,104 --> 00:05:47,344 Speaker 2: and she felt like Anne Hathaway hated her. She did 117 00:05:47,344 --> 00:05:49,824 Speaker 2: go on to say that she's interviewed Anne Hathaway since then, 118 00:05:50,264 --> 00:05:53,024 Speaker 2: and she was very sweet in that interview. But she's 119 00:05:53,064 --> 00:05:55,704 Speaker 2: put this out there and the comments around it were 120 00:05:55,784 --> 00:05:56,344 Speaker 2: very mixed. 121 00:05:56,584 --> 00:06:00,944 Speaker 1: All she's done is yet again unearthed an old interview 122 00:06:01,024 --> 00:06:04,024 Speaker 1: that she knew would get her her five minutes of fame. 123 00:06:04,624 --> 00:06:07,304 Speaker 1: I actually don't understand how anyone is going to want 124 00:06:07,304 --> 00:06:11,384 Speaker 1: to continue working with her, Like this is not normal behavior. 125 00:06:11,904 --> 00:06:14,704 Speaker 2: It's a flop. It is interesting because I feel like, 126 00:06:14,744 --> 00:06:17,304 Speaker 2: coming off the black of the Blake Lively situation, so 127 00:06:17,584 --> 00:06:19,944 Speaker 2: that happened when it ends with us, all of that 128 00:06:20,024 --> 00:06:21,944 Speaker 2: drama was happening around behind the scenes, and the. 129 00:06:21,904 --> 00:06:25,784 Speaker 1: Press capitalizing on a bad press moment already, or just 130 00:06:25,824 --> 00:06:27,824 Speaker 1: like someone's name being in the media. 131 00:06:27,944 --> 00:06:29,624 Speaker 2: Yes, well, I mean I think it definitely feels like 132 00:06:29,624 --> 00:06:31,544 Speaker 2: what's happening last time? But I think what happened with 133 00:06:31,584 --> 00:06:34,184 Speaker 2: the Blake Lively thing is that that she put that 134 00:06:34,264 --> 00:06:36,384 Speaker 2: interview out. It was just as that kind of hatred 135 00:06:36,424 --> 00:06:40,184 Speaker 2: towards Blake Lively was really gaining momentum, and that interview, 136 00:06:40,264 --> 00:06:42,544 Speaker 2: which is the very infamous where she says to Blake 137 00:06:42,584 --> 00:06:45,064 Speaker 2: Lively gratuately, she's on your bump, yeah, and then she's 138 00:06:45,144 --> 00:06:47,344 Speaker 2: congratulations back, and then also the rest of the interview, 139 00:06:47,424 --> 00:06:49,424 Speaker 2: it appears that Blake c. Lively and Parker Posey really 140 00:06:49,504 --> 00:06:52,944 Speaker 2: rude to this journalist. That interview went completely viral, and 141 00:06:53,024 --> 00:06:56,184 Speaker 2: it was very integral to the whole pylon of Blake Lively. 142 00:06:56,264 --> 00:06:58,704 Speaker 2: At that time. People were actually more angry at her 143 00:06:58,864 --> 00:07:00,664 Speaker 2: for that than they were about the idea that she 144 00:07:00,744 --> 00:07:03,584 Speaker 2: probably wasn't speaking about the DV side of the movie. 145 00:07:03,584 --> 00:07:05,104 Speaker 2: Like it's just like this hatred of her for being 146 00:07:05,184 --> 00:07:07,864 Speaker 2: rude in this interview, and a lot of people really 147 00:07:08,224 --> 00:07:10,704 Speaker 2: sided with the journalist because afterwards she said it was 148 00:07:10,744 --> 00:07:13,184 Speaker 2: really painful because I can't have kids, and so her 149 00:07:13,304 --> 00:07:15,384 Speaker 2: saying congratulations on my little bump when she knew that 150 00:07:15,384 --> 00:07:17,824 Speaker 2: I hadnt said I was pregnant was really hurtful, and 151 00:07:17,864 --> 00:07:20,224 Speaker 2: so everyone really started with this woman and she became 152 00:07:20,264 --> 00:07:23,504 Speaker 2: this kind of like hero of the Internet. So this week, 153 00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:26,224 Speaker 2: when everyone's talking about Anne Hathaway, I wonder if she 154 00:07:26,304 --> 00:07:28,304 Speaker 2: thought that that was going to happen again if she 155 00:07:28,344 --> 00:07:29,344 Speaker 2: put this interview out. 156 00:07:29,504 --> 00:07:31,304 Speaker 1: I just don't think it will. I think that's probably 157 00:07:31,384 --> 00:07:33,944 Speaker 1: what she thought and hoped for. But I do not think, like, 158 00:07:34,344 --> 00:07:37,424 Speaker 1: you know, once you were just sort of like, oh 159 00:07:37,504 --> 00:07:39,944 Speaker 1: I found this, and yes, it proves that Blake Lively 160 00:07:40,024 --> 00:07:43,744 Speaker 1: is a big bad MANI but twice you're just capitalizing 161 00:07:43,744 --> 00:07:45,504 Speaker 1: and trying to get your five minutes of fame, and 162 00:07:45,544 --> 00:07:48,424 Speaker 1: it's just really immature behavior. 163 00:07:48,704 --> 00:07:50,584 Speaker 2: I haven't seen the entire clip. I feel like that 164 00:07:50,864 --> 00:07:53,424 Speaker 2: would be really interesting to see the unedited clip, which 165 00:07:53,424 --> 00:07:54,304 Speaker 2: is out of access to. 166 00:07:54,344 --> 00:07:56,544 Speaker 1: Where she's probably a little bit more professional. 167 00:07:56,784 --> 00:07:58,504 Speaker 2: I just think there's a few different things happening there. 168 00:07:58,584 --> 00:08:00,504 Speaker 2: One is that with Lei Mir's and Hatho was on 169 00:08:00,624 --> 00:08:03,024 Speaker 2: light press to her very intense on talking of sort 170 00:08:03,024 --> 00:08:05,424 Speaker 2: of what the character had been through and the hardships, 171 00:08:05,424 --> 00:08:06,744 Speaker 2: and I think when she said to her, will you 172 00:08:06,784 --> 00:08:09,584 Speaker 2: seeing the start of the interview that got her offside. 173 00:08:09,784 --> 00:08:11,624 Speaker 2: At the same time, though, it's hard because everyone's like 174 00:08:11,624 --> 00:08:14,664 Speaker 2: Anne Hathaway's a bad sport. Because that journalist also asked 175 00:08:14,744 --> 00:08:17,344 Speaker 2: Russell Crowe and Hugh Jackman, who were in the movie, 176 00:08:17,384 --> 00:08:20,144 Speaker 2: to sing their answers, and they both did, and so 177 00:08:20,264 --> 00:08:22,584 Speaker 2: they look like the nice guys. Anne Hathaway looked. 178 00:08:22,424 --> 00:08:23,744 Speaker 1: Like the bad don't be bothered. 179 00:08:23,864 --> 00:08:25,944 Speaker 2: Well, she's probably like, oh, I also, again, you don't 180 00:08:25,944 --> 00:08:27,624 Speaker 2: know what's going on, but more could. 181 00:08:27,384 --> 00:08:30,544 Speaker 1: You don't want to sing an interview that's weird. 182 00:08:30,264 --> 00:08:32,184 Speaker 2: And they've been asked about your first crush. Although I 183 00:08:32,184 --> 00:08:34,504 Speaker 2: thought her question about like did people feel loved differently 184 00:08:34,544 --> 00:08:36,104 Speaker 2: than maybe she could have answered. I don't know. 185 00:08:36,264 --> 00:08:39,504 Speaker 1: She absolutely could have been more polite, of course, but 186 00:08:39,584 --> 00:08:43,144 Speaker 1: I just don't think that we everyone loves to hate 187 00:08:43,184 --> 00:08:46,984 Speaker 1: people without just sometimes giving someone the benefit of the doubt. 188 00:08:47,264 --> 00:08:51,424 Speaker 1: Like there's one rude interview that's resurfaced from however many 189 00:08:51,504 --> 00:08:55,144 Speaker 1: years in the public eye. Like everyone has bad days. 190 00:08:55,464 --> 00:08:57,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are other bad interviews Anne Hathaway, 191 00:08:57,984 --> 00:08:59,904 Speaker 2: and they're bad interviews of everyone. It just kind of 192 00:08:59,904 --> 00:09:01,584 Speaker 2: just pays like I've had my fair share of them 193 00:09:01,584 --> 00:09:03,544 Speaker 2: as well. But what I thought was super interesting. So 194 00:09:03,664 --> 00:09:06,304 Speaker 2: this clip started going viral and the comments were a 195 00:09:06,304 --> 00:09:09,024 Speaker 2: bit split. Half the people who were commenting and writing 196 00:09:09,104 --> 00:09:12,064 Speaker 2: articles about it were saying, anne Hathaway's awful, she could 197 00:09:12,064 --> 00:09:14,264 Speaker 2: have been nicer, and the other half of people were saying, 198 00:09:14,464 --> 00:09:17,264 Speaker 2: to this journalist, maybe you're the problem, or you shouldn't 199 00:09:17,264 --> 00:09:19,584 Speaker 2: have asked her to sing her being disrespectful. And the 200 00:09:19,664 --> 00:09:21,944 Speaker 2: interesting part of that is then the journalist came out 201 00:09:22,224 --> 00:09:24,824 Speaker 2: on her TV show and said that she has like 202 00:09:24,864 --> 00:09:27,224 Speaker 2: a very yeah she does that. This is why she's 203 00:09:27,224 --> 00:09:29,224 Speaker 2: getting all these huge interviews, like, yeah, she's like a 204 00:09:29,224 --> 00:09:31,664 Speaker 2: well known entertainment reporter and TV. 205 00:09:31,504 --> 00:09:33,504 Speaker 1: Host and Dutch version of you. 206 00:09:33,864 --> 00:09:36,224 Speaker 2: Well, I think she gets better access than I do, 207 00:09:36,304 --> 00:09:38,424 Speaker 2: but you know, maybe we're the same people. So she 208 00:09:38,544 --> 00:09:40,624 Speaker 2: came out and said that she had received, after the 209 00:09:40,624 --> 00:09:44,064 Speaker 2: studio started going viral, a very long email from Anne Hathaway. 210 00:09:44,344 --> 00:09:48,624 Speaker 3: Yesterday, I did receive an email. It was from Anne 211 00:09:48,664 --> 00:09:53,264 Speaker 3: Hathaway's publicist, Annie forwarded a message to me from Anne Hathaway. 212 00:09:55,064 --> 00:09:57,064 Speaker 3: I would have to say I was pretty shocked. I 213 00:09:57,144 --> 00:10:00,544 Speaker 3: had not expected her to reach out to me at all. 214 00:10:00,784 --> 00:10:04,864 Speaker 3: I thought she was never going to even see that video, 215 00:10:05,344 --> 00:10:11,264 Speaker 3: but she did, and she did something pretty amazing. She 216 00:10:11,464 --> 00:10:15,864 Speaker 3: sent me a long email explaining to me what she 217 00:10:16,024 --> 00:10:19,384 Speaker 3: was going through right then when she did this interview 218 00:10:20,144 --> 00:10:26,904 Speaker 3: and she apologized for being giving me an awful interview. Basically, 219 00:10:27,744 --> 00:10:30,584 Speaker 3: it was so touching to me. Just talking about it 220 00:10:30,624 --> 00:10:34,144 Speaker 3: makes me almost teary eyed, because I was just so 221 00:10:35,424 --> 00:10:39,584 Speaker 3: grateful that she did that, and it was a very 222 00:10:39,624 --> 00:10:43,544 Speaker 3: personal note, and we decided that I wouldn't share exactly 223 00:10:43,584 --> 00:10:44,744 Speaker 3: what was in the email. 224 00:10:45,184 --> 00:10:48,384 Speaker 1: Listen, that is nice, but it just like, there are 225 00:10:48,424 --> 00:10:50,224 Speaker 1: a lot more things to be worrying about in the 226 00:10:50,224 --> 00:10:54,864 Speaker 1: world than Anne Hathaway worrying about penning a letter to 227 00:10:54,944 --> 00:10:56,584 Speaker 1: some jilted journalist. 228 00:10:56,904 --> 00:10:59,224 Speaker 2: Well, I think that Anne Hathaway, after she's been through 229 00:10:59,664 --> 00:11:02,144 Speaker 2: those years of people really hating her, and that wasn't 230 00:11:02,184 --> 00:11:04,624 Speaker 2: just like a wave of hatre on the internet. She 231 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:06,744 Speaker 2: lost jobs because of that, Like studios were like, we 232 00:11:06,784 --> 00:11:08,944 Speaker 2: can't work with you. She's talked about a lot because 233 00:11:09,144 --> 00:11:11,984 Speaker 2: there was such intense hate about her, she couldn't do interviews. 234 00:11:12,344 --> 00:11:14,464 Speaker 2: And that all started from around the time she would 235 00:11:14,464 --> 00:11:16,704 Speaker 2: have done this interview. Even things like where she came 236 00:11:16,704 --> 00:11:19,064 Speaker 2: out on stage when they won a cast Award and 237 00:11:19,104 --> 00:11:21,784 Speaker 2: she thanked someone on her team and everyone was like, oh, look, 238 00:11:21,784 --> 00:11:23,664 Speaker 2: at her having to like push herself forward and jump 239 00:11:23,744 --> 00:11:25,224 Speaker 2: in there, and afterwards she's like, well, that person has 240 00:11:25,264 --> 00:11:26,744 Speaker 2: got diagoroes with cancer, and I wanted to give them 241 00:11:26,784 --> 00:11:28,464 Speaker 2: a shadow, like there's always a story behind it. 242 00:11:28,584 --> 00:11:31,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't give people the benefit of the doubt enough. 243 00:11:31,784 --> 00:11:34,544 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But I completely understand why Anne Hathaway jumped 244 00:11:34,584 --> 00:11:37,664 Speaker 2: in to do damage controls because she spent years having 245 00:11:37,704 --> 00:11:39,824 Speaker 2: to sort of repair her reputation and make. 246 00:11:39,664 --> 00:11:42,344 Speaker 1: A comeback, and she's probably seeing what's happened to Blake. 247 00:11:42,344 --> 00:11:44,544 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, and how intense that is. And it's like 248 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:47,384 Speaker 2: people finally got back on board with her through so 249 00:11:47,424 --> 00:11:49,464 Speaker 2: many different things. She had to sort of almost change 250 00:11:49,464 --> 00:11:52,424 Speaker 2: her personality. She had to change how she talked to fans, 251 00:11:52,464 --> 00:11:54,824 Speaker 2: she changed the way she dressed, she changed the projects 252 00:11:54,864 --> 00:11:57,184 Speaker 2: that she did. And I think this year after like 253 00:11:57,184 --> 00:11:59,064 Speaker 2: the idea of you, like, people want a bit of 254 00:11:59,064 --> 00:12:01,824 Speaker 2: a high after that with her. And then she's become 255 00:12:01,904 --> 00:12:04,184 Speaker 2: sort of known for like her like changing fashion and 256 00:12:04,184 --> 00:12:07,144 Speaker 2: people are very into her for that. And then when 257 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:09,464 Speaker 2: she put that video out last week of Princess Diaries 258 00:12:09,464 --> 00:12:11,184 Speaker 2: through and you can see the huge smile on her 259 00:12:11,224 --> 00:12:13,424 Speaker 2: face because she was just like this is my trunk cart. 260 00:12:13,464 --> 00:12:15,584 Speaker 2: People are gonna love me, And people did love her 261 00:12:16,144 --> 00:12:19,624 Speaker 2: for that, and then this became more story Bless your 262 00:12:19,664 --> 00:12:22,304 Speaker 2: little heart. Yeah exactly. So, I mean I think people 263 00:12:22,344 --> 00:12:23,704 Speaker 2: are trying to jump in and say, like is she 264 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:25,384 Speaker 2: a good person or not? Like we have absolutely no 265 00:12:25,424 --> 00:12:28,064 Speaker 2: way of knowing that, but I do kind of understand 266 00:12:28,064 --> 00:12:30,984 Speaker 2: why she jumped in so intensely to do damage control. 267 00:12:31,264 --> 00:12:33,144 Speaker 2: And I've got to say, I don't know about this. 268 00:12:33,224 --> 00:12:35,264 Speaker 1: Journalists kind of I mean, journalist is a bit of 269 00:12:35,304 --> 00:12:36,104 Speaker 1: a pot. 270 00:12:35,864 --> 00:12:38,064 Speaker 2: But I mean the thing is, like I do podcasts 271 00:12:38,104 --> 00:12:40,864 Speaker 2: and write articles about good and bad interviews I've had, 272 00:12:40,904 --> 00:12:43,544 Speaker 2: Like it's something that people are so kind of invested in, 273 00:12:44,064 --> 00:12:46,024 Speaker 2: and it does kind of, I think, add a lot 274 00:12:46,064 --> 00:12:49,064 Speaker 2: to conversations around like celebrities and pop culture. And we're 275 00:12:49,064 --> 00:12:52,624 Speaker 2: in a really weird spot with interviewing celebrities at the moment. 276 00:12:52,704 --> 00:12:54,424 Speaker 2: I've talked about this before, but there's this real push 277 00:12:54,464 --> 00:12:57,744 Speaker 2: and pull of like they don't want to do particular 278 00:12:57,824 --> 00:13:00,384 Speaker 2: things that will go viral on the internet, whereas journalists 279 00:13:00,424 --> 00:13:02,504 Speaker 2: are push not to do like just interesting long form 280 00:13:02,504 --> 00:13:04,744 Speaker 2: interviews anymore, they're pushed to do get these. 281 00:13:04,624 --> 00:13:06,464 Speaker 1: Little viral sound bite mos. 282 00:13:06,584 --> 00:13:08,704 Speaker 2: And so now when you sit down across from someone, 283 00:13:09,144 --> 00:13:10,824 Speaker 2: even if you both just want to talk about the movie, 284 00:13:10,864 --> 00:13:12,344 Speaker 2: and you're both invested in it, and that's why you're 285 00:13:12,344 --> 00:13:15,144 Speaker 2: both there because you love movies, you are both in 286 00:13:15,184 --> 00:13:18,424 Speaker 2: this push and pull of having to get these viral moments, 287 00:13:18,504 --> 00:13:20,424 Speaker 2: and so we're in a weird spot with interview at 288 00:13:20,424 --> 00:13:20,784 Speaker 2: the moment. 289 00:13:20,904 --> 00:13:23,544 Speaker 1: The difference is that you don't add to a pylon 290 00:13:23,944 --> 00:13:27,464 Speaker 1: like you don't unearth an old interview. You might say, 291 00:13:27,464 --> 00:13:30,464 Speaker 1: oh my god, I interview this celebrity went terribly Yeah, 292 00:13:30,504 --> 00:13:32,144 Speaker 1: but then you don't a couple of years later when 293 00:13:32,144 --> 00:13:35,144 Speaker 1: there's already a pylon. It's not like you re release that. 294 00:13:35,184 --> 00:13:38,704 Speaker 2: A very edited clip. It's exactly release that was my 295 00:13:38,784 --> 00:13:40,704 Speaker 2: kind of thing. I'm like, release the full clip and 296 00:13:40,784 --> 00:13:43,664 Speaker 2: don't release that little lots of sound bites. And maybe 297 00:13:43,704 --> 00:13:45,344 Speaker 2: she has released the full clips some why I haven't 298 00:13:45,344 --> 00:13:48,584 Speaker 2: seen it, But what's going viral is that little clip 299 00:13:48,624 --> 00:13:51,664 Speaker 2: and the interview would have been at least five minutes exactly, 300 00:13:51,704 --> 00:13:52,824 Speaker 2: and you are probably ten. 301 00:13:53,144 --> 00:13:57,344 Speaker 1: Can't base a decision of if someone is a good 302 00:13:57,464 --> 00:14:01,184 Speaker 1: or bad person off one clip or one interview, because 303 00:14:01,184 --> 00:14:05,304 Speaker 1: that is ridiculous. Can't good people just have bad days. 304 00:14:07,464 --> 00:14:11,584 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez tells Nicki Glaser how a heurbulance summer changed 305 00:14:11,624 --> 00:14:15,904 Speaker 1: her in a newly released exclusive interview with Interview magazine, 306 00:14:16,064 --> 00:14:19,144 Speaker 1: the very first interview she has done since her divorce. 307 00:14:19,504 --> 00:14:22,184 Speaker 1: The Grammy nominee said she's excited by the idea of 308 00:14:22,184 --> 00:14:25,344 Speaker 1: being on her own, stating, yes, I'm not looking for 309 00:14:25,384 --> 00:14:28,064 Speaker 1: anybody because everything that I've done over the past twenty 310 00:14:28,144 --> 00:14:31,744 Speaker 1: five thirty years being in these different challenging situations, What 311 00:14:31,824 --> 00:14:34,824 Speaker 1: can I fucking do when it's just me flying on 312 00:14:34,864 --> 00:14:37,184 Speaker 1: my own. This doesn't even make sense, by the way, 313 00:14:37,344 --> 00:14:40,064 Speaker 1: when you read the interview, it's kind of really hard 314 00:14:40,104 --> 00:14:43,704 Speaker 1: to read, and it's like a proper old school interview. 315 00:14:43,744 --> 00:14:47,064 Speaker 1: It hasn't been like written around or an interview style. 316 00:14:47,144 --> 00:14:51,464 Speaker 1: They just kind of word verbatim. But it reads awfully 317 00:14:51,744 --> 00:14:54,584 Speaker 1: and it doesn't make sense. What if I'm just free? 318 00:14:54,984 --> 00:14:57,624 Speaker 1: In the interview, Lopez said there's no new bar when 319 00:14:57,624 --> 00:15:00,904 Speaker 1: it comes to eventually looking for romantic partners. For people 320 00:15:00,944 --> 00:15:04,264 Speaker 1: who are romantics and love being in relationships, which definitely 321 00:15:04,424 --> 00:15:07,224 Speaker 1: is Jennifer Lopez, and want to grow old with somebody. 322 00:15:07,264 --> 00:15:09,144 Speaker 1: We think they have to have that to be whole 323 00:15:09,184 --> 00:15:11,584 Speaker 1: and happy, and you don't, she said, before joking it 324 00:15:11,624 --> 00:15:16,144 Speaker 1: only took thirty years. Lopez was previously married to Ojani 325 00:15:16,304 --> 00:15:19,664 Speaker 1: Noah from nineteen ninety seven to nineteen ninety eight, Chris 326 00:15:19,744 --> 00:15:22,064 Speaker 1: Judd from two thousand and one to two thousand and three, 327 00:15:22,304 --> 00:15:25,624 Speaker 1: Mark Anthony from two thousand and four to twenty fourteen, 328 00:15:25,704 --> 00:15:27,984 Speaker 1: and she and Ben Affleck dated for two years before 329 00:15:27,984 --> 00:15:30,464 Speaker 1: calling it quits in two thousand and four, and then 330 00:15:30,584 --> 00:15:34,144 Speaker 1: rekindled their relationship in twenty twenty one and did get married, 331 00:15:34,184 --> 00:15:36,744 Speaker 1: and then now they're going through divorce. So she clearly 332 00:15:36,744 --> 00:15:40,064 Speaker 1: loves loves but I was mostly baffled by that. When 333 00:15:40,064 --> 00:15:42,024 Speaker 1: I read that, I was shocked that it was only 334 00:15:42,104 --> 00:15:44,184 Speaker 1: like four years all up two years and then two years, 335 00:15:44,464 --> 00:15:46,544 Speaker 1: like I assumed that they were together for well over 336 00:15:46,584 --> 00:15:49,144 Speaker 1: a decade. She wrote seventy songs about the bloke. 337 00:15:49,424 --> 00:15:50,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, I mean that that's what we know 338 00:15:51,024 --> 00:15:52,744 Speaker 2: bet Jenna Fi Lopez as she falls, she loves love, 339 00:15:52,864 --> 00:15:55,304 Speaker 2: She falls in love fast, and she creates content very fast, 340 00:15:55,344 --> 00:15:57,544 Speaker 2: which shed it, which is go off point. I found 341 00:15:57,544 --> 00:15:59,504 Speaker 2: this so interesting. I mean, there's only a few quotes 342 00:15:59,504 --> 00:16:01,304 Speaker 2: in there about the divorce, so it's not like the 343 00:16:01,384 --> 00:16:03,064 Speaker 2: crux of the article or anything like, even. 344 00:16:02,904 --> 00:16:04,784 Speaker 1: Though obviously that's what everyone has. 345 00:16:04,784 --> 00:16:06,344 Speaker 2: Followed a hundred percent, so that's what they had to 346 00:16:06,384 --> 00:16:06,864 Speaker 2: put in there. 347 00:16:06,904 --> 00:16:08,104 Speaker 1: It's otherwise pretty boring. 348 00:16:08,344 --> 00:16:10,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought reading between the line is quite 349 00:16:10,864 --> 00:16:14,424 Speaker 2: interesting because obviously Jennifer Lopez hasn't said anything really publicly 350 00:16:14,424 --> 00:16:16,304 Speaker 2: about the divorce because she hasn't really done a big 351 00:16:16,304 --> 00:16:19,104 Speaker 2: press tour yet or a kind of in depth interview 352 00:16:19,104 --> 00:16:20,344 Speaker 2: where she'll talk about it. 353 00:16:20,424 --> 00:16:22,624 Speaker 1: So also we know that they're still friendly by the 354 00:16:22,624 --> 00:16:24,464 Speaker 1: looks of it, so she probably won't say anything. 355 00:16:24,784 --> 00:16:26,984 Speaker 2: Well, that relationship brunched the other day with their kids, 356 00:16:27,024 --> 00:16:28,544 Speaker 2: which I thought was that's what I mean interesting. I 357 00:16:28,544 --> 00:16:31,504 Speaker 2: had a very very public paparazzi hot spot, so they 358 00:16:31,504 --> 00:16:34,424 Speaker 2: obviously wanted to be seen. But she hasn't commented on it. 359 00:16:34,544 --> 00:16:37,264 Speaker 2: She did that movie premiere recently where all those photos 360 00:16:37,304 --> 00:16:39,024 Speaker 2: of her and Matt Damon where it looked like they 361 00:16:39,024 --> 00:16:42,464 Speaker 2: were holding hands and talking went viral, and then on 362 00:16:42,504 --> 00:16:45,264 Speaker 2: her Instagram account just after the divorce was announced, when 363 00:16:45,304 --> 00:16:46,784 Speaker 2: he thought that she put up all these like photos 364 00:16:46,784 --> 00:16:49,104 Speaker 2: of her looking all carefree and beautiful and eating ice 365 00:16:49,104 --> 00:16:51,824 Speaker 2: cream in the night and quotes about them exactly where 366 00:16:51,824 --> 00:16:53,744 Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be, and it sort of made it 367 00:16:53,744 --> 00:16:56,024 Speaker 2: all look very chill and loving and that she was 368 00:16:56,064 --> 00:16:58,464 Speaker 2: in this place of like beautiful self acceptance and everyone 369 00:16:58,544 --> 00:17:01,144 Speaker 2: was like, oh so nice for Jennifer Lopez. But then 370 00:17:01,264 --> 00:17:02,744 Speaker 2: reading between the lines of this. 371 00:17:02,744 --> 00:17:06,824 Speaker 1: INDIVI absolutely furious. She's absolutely I. 372 00:17:06,744 --> 00:17:09,704 Speaker 2: Think probably fair enough considering anything else happened. But when 373 00:17:09,704 --> 00:17:12,944 Speaker 2: she's talking about her world exploding, I thought that was 374 00:17:12,984 --> 00:17:15,344 Speaker 2: like very telling in terms of her saying like her 375 00:17:15,344 --> 00:17:17,104 Speaker 2: life was set up to be like the happiest she 376 00:17:17,144 --> 00:17:19,584 Speaker 2: should be and everything had fallen into place and then 377 00:17:19,584 --> 00:17:22,624 Speaker 2: it imploded, which does make it sound like it all happened, 378 00:17:22,664 --> 00:17:24,544 Speaker 2: even though like from our point of view, it looks 379 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:26,544 Speaker 2: like they were separated for quite a long time before 380 00:17:26,584 --> 00:17:28,944 Speaker 2: they filed. If you're reading between the lines of this, 381 00:17:29,064 --> 00:17:31,064 Speaker 2: it feels like it happened quite quickly. So maybe they 382 00:17:31,064 --> 00:17:33,464 Speaker 2: had separated and then they were trying to work it out, 383 00:17:33,504 --> 00:17:35,304 Speaker 2: because you know, they've got both got their own kids 384 00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:37,584 Speaker 2: and their own houses already, so I think them living 385 00:17:37,624 --> 00:17:40,544 Speaker 2: separately is different to like someone in our situation living 386 00:17:40,544 --> 00:17:42,824 Speaker 2: separately were like where would I even go and stay? 387 00:17:44,024 --> 00:17:45,584 Speaker 1: We do not have a second tool. 388 00:17:45,664 --> 00:17:47,824 Speaker 2: I can't pop over to the secondary mansion and hang 389 00:17:47,864 --> 00:17:50,784 Speaker 2: out there. But then I also think when she's like 390 00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:53,184 Speaker 2: there's no bar anymore, it was like her taking this 391 00:17:53,264 --> 00:17:55,544 Speaker 2: definitive stance that she didn't want to be in a 392 00:17:55,584 --> 00:17:57,784 Speaker 2: relationship again, which I know is what you think after 393 00:17:57,824 --> 00:18:02,384 Speaker 2: a breakup, but in another year. Yeah, I hope so because. 394 00:18:02,144 --> 00:18:05,264 Speaker 1: She and she needs content. 395 00:18:05,264 --> 00:18:07,184 Speaker 2: Exactly, And I feel like everyone was so kind of 396 00:18:07,224 --> 00:18:10,144 Speaker 2: there was like when the divorce was announced, everyone was 397 00:18:10,184 --> 00:18:12,224 Speaker 2: kindind of just like reveling in it in a way. 398 00:18:12,344 --> 00:18:15,424 Speaker 2: She was very vindictive, yeah, exactly, and reveling in it 399 00:18:15,464 --> 00:18:17,144 Speaker 2: because they knew how much she wanted. 400 00:18:18,264 --> 00:18:21,624 Speaker 1: Really mean, I mean, listen, she's saying some questionable things 401 00:18:21,664 --> 00:18:23,984 Speaker 1: in her time, and I'm not sure if she's the 402 00:18:23,984 --> 00:18:28,224 Speaker 1: world's greatest person, but why are we being vindictive about someone? 403 00:18:28,384 --> 00:18:30,184 Speaker 2: I just think that some people, and so it's at 404 00:18:30,224 --> 00:18:32,224 Speaker 2: the time I stand by, is that some people just 405 00:18:32,384 --> 00:18:36,104 Speaker 2: live these really big, excessive lives. Like if that's your 406 00:18:36,144 --> 00:18:38,384 Speaker 2: career and your life have been like this over the 407 00:18:38,424 --> 00:18:41,664 Speaker 2: top in the spotlight, your personal life is going to 408 00:18:41,704 --> 00:18:43,624 Speaker 2: look like that as well. And I just kind of 409 00:18:43,624 --> 00:18:45,624 Speaker 2: think that's okay. It's like everyone's like, Oh, she should 410 00:18:45,664 --> 00:18:48,384 Speaker 2: be embarrassed because she got married again. So that's her brand. 411 00:18:48,424 --> 00:18:50,904 Speaker 2: She's Jennifer Lopez. And next time she falls in love, 412 00:18:50,944 --> 00:18:53,824 Speaker 2: like this time next year, she could be having another wedding. 413 00:18:53,744 --> 00:18:57,144 Speaker 1: Betty Betty baby wedding. That was like a she could 414 00:18:57,144 --> 00:18:59,344 Speaker 1: do whatever she wants. That's the thing. It's it's content 415 00:18:59,384 --> 00:19:01,424 Speaker 1: for us as well. We're the ones that lap it up. 416 00:19:01,744 --> 00:19:03,744 Speaker 1: Did you not think that it was a pretty boring, 417 00:19:03,784 --> 00:19:05,544 Speaker 1: safe interview reading between the lights? 418 00:19:05,624 --> 00:19:05,784 Speaker 3: Oh? 419 00:19:05,864 --> 00:19:07,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think a lot of the interview, especially 420 00:19:07,824 --> 00:19:09,904 Speaker 2: because you always have two slips interviewing each other, they 421 00:19:09,944 --> 00:19:12,384 Speaker 2: often do come across like that. And the whole point 422 00:19:12,384 --> 00:19:14,064 Speaker 2: of these is that they're not those kind of big 423 00:19:14,144 --> 00:19:16,664 Speaker 2: curated feature pieces where they sit down with a journalist 424 00:19:17,104 --> 00:19:20,104 Speaker 2: and the journalist describes like what they're wearing, what they're doing, 425 00:19:20,184 --> 00:19:22,944 Speaker 2: and puts a lot of kind of tone and analysis 426 00:19:22,984 --> 00:19:25,784 Speaker 2: around it. The interview ones are just two people who 427 00:19:25,904 --> 00:19:28,424 Speaker 2: have some sort of relationship. Yep. Yeah, and it's like 428 00:19:28,464 --> 00:19:30,504 Speaker 2: the full transcript, like you're in the room with them. 429 00:19:30,584 --> 00:19:33,424 Speaker 2: So I wasn't kind of expecting. But also sometimes this 430 00:19:33,504 --> 00:19:35,704 Speaker 2: is where they do drop the most juicy stuff because 431 00:19:35,704 --> 00:19:37,624 Speaker 2: it's being interviewed with someone they know, and it's very 432 00:19:37,704 --> 00:19:38,304 Speaker 2: kind of loose. 433 00:19:38,504 --> 00:19:40,744 Speaker 1: This wasn't that though. All she did was she did 434 00:19:40,904 --> 00:19:43,904 Speaker 1: chuck out a couple of really clicky statements. She also 435 00:19:43,984 --> 00:19:47,584 Speaker 1: repeatedly dropped the F bomb and people latch onto those 436 00:19:47,624 --> 00:19:50,544 Speaker 1: sorts of things and then create headlines, but reading between 437 00:19:50,544 --> 00:19:52,984 Speaker 1: the lines, Like at the crux of it, she said 438 00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:54,544 Speaker 1: that she was sad. She thought it would work out 439 00:19:54,584 --> 00:19:57,224 Speaker 1: and it didn't, and she's not thinking about dating anytime soon, 440 00:19:57,744 --> 00:20:00,784 Speaker 1: so like, I don't like that's nothing new or something. 441 00:20:00,784 --> 00:20:01,944 Speaker 1: It's not it anyway. 442 00:20:01,984 --> 00:20:05,024 Speaker 2: It's just a real start. Contrast to the initial vibes 443 00:20:05,024 --> 00:20:06,904 Speaker 2: that she was putting on her Instagram post of like 444 00:20:07,104 --> 00:20:09,224 Speaker 2: I'm at peace, I'm where I'm supposed to be. Everything's 445 00:20:09,224 --> 00:20:12,384 Speaker 2: worked on occasional, and she went through in the article, 446 00:20:12,584 --> 00:20:15,064 Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is you're just reading their words, 447 00:20:15,064 --> 00:20:16,824 Speaker 2: so you're not getting the inflection of their voice. I 448 00:20:16,824 --> 00:20:18,384 Speaker 2: think we're all kind of like reading different. 449 00:20:18,464 --> 00:20:20,584 Speaker 1: So you were like reading it in an angry voice. 450 00:20:20,664 --> 00:20:23,024 Speaker 1: I was reading it in the still I'm trying to 451 00:20:23,024 --> 00:20:26,464 Speaker 1: be really calm and demure and like I'm fine with this. 452 00:20:26,504 --> 00:20:28,304 Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with this, but I'm not actually fine 453 00:20:28,304 --> 00:20:29,624 Speaker 1: with this. That was the turne I was reading it. 454 00:20:29,824 --> 00:20:31,464 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, I feel like the woman's been 455 00:20:31,504 --> 00:20:33,664 Speaker 2: famous for over thirty years, and she knows that anything 456 00:20:33,704 --> 00:20:35,744 Speaker 2: she says, especially about Ben, is going to be done 457 00:20:35,784 --> 00:20:38,024 Speaker 2: exactly what we're doing now, analyzed and raked over and 458 00:20:38,064 --> 00:20:40,304 Speaker 2: people talking about it. So I think she did choose 459 00:20:40,344 --> 00:20:43,024 Speaker 2: her words very carefully, but I think she's kind of 460 00:20:43,064 --> 00:20:45,904 Speaker 2: like staking a claim where she stands in terms of 461 00:20:45,944 --> 00:20:48,504 Speaker 2: where she wants the information out there that she was 462 00:20:48,584 --> 00:20:51,144 Speaker 2: kind of a bit all in. She's upset about what's happened, 463 00:20:51,264 --> 00:20:53,584 Speaker 2: but she's won't be going back there, but she's fine totally, 464 00:20:53,864 --> 00:20:55,864 Speaker 2: Whereas she could have chosen different words and said, like, 465 00:20:55,864 --> 00:20:57,504 Speaker 2: you know, we're really happy, we still see each other 466 00:20:57,504 --> 00:20:59,224 Speaker 2: with our kids, and we just decided this was the 467 00:20:59,224 --> 00:21:01,904 Speaker 2: best path, which paints both of them in a good light, 468 00:21:01,944 --> 00:21:04,144 Speaker 2: whereas this is kind of painting her in a light 469 00:21:04,224 --> 00:21:07,784 Speaker 2: of I was shocked and something happened that was out 470 00:21:07,824 --> 00:21:10,864 Speaker 2: of my control, but I am pushing forward and I 471 00:21:10,904 --> 00:21:13,384 Speaker 2: will not fall in love again, which is a bit 472 00:21:13,384 --> 00:21:14,384 Speaker 2: of a stance against him. 473 00:21:14,544 --> 00:21:15,664 Speaker 1: Next to your plot twist. 474 00:21:16,344 --> 00:21:18,504 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for listening to the spill today, 475 00:21:18,704 --> 00:21:20,544 Speaker 2: and if you want more from us, you can follow 476 00:21:20,584 --> 00:21:23,664 Speaker 2: us on Instagram the Spill Podcast. We post behind the 477 00:21:23,664 --> 00:21:25,904 Speaker 2: scenes photos from events, we post images of what we're 478 00:21:25,944 --> 00:21:27,824 Speaker 2: talking about, we post articles. It's just, you know, a 479 00:21:27,864 --> 00:21:29,984 Speaker 2: lot of fun times happening over there. And if you 480 00:21:29,984 --> 00:21:32,104 Speaker 2: want more on Jennifer Lopez and Ben Athlete, you can 481 00:21:32,144 --> 00:21:34,584 Speaker 2: listen to Mumma Mere's comedy podcast Canceled. 482 00:21:34,744 --> 00:21:37,064 Speaker 4: It is believed that the wedding cost them half a 483 00:21:37,104 --> 00:21:40,864 Speaker 4: million Australian dollars. Then they went on their honeymoon and 484 00:21:40,944 --> 00:21:46,744 Speaker 4: that's when sad Ben emerged. Claire, please explain sad Ben. Okay, 485 00:21:46,824 --> 00:21:50,304 Speaker 4: The thing about Ben is that sometimes he's photographed and 486 00:21:50,904 --> 00:21:54,704 Speaker 4: the spirit has left his soul, and in his eyes 487 00:21:54,744 --> 00:21:57,584 Speaker 4: there is only emptiness and hollowness. 488 00:21:57,184 --> 00:21:59,944 Speaker 2: And so on existential thread and it. 489 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:04,104 Speaker 4: Scenes that all the weight of living has fallen upon 490 00:22:04,184 --> 00:22:06,584 Speaker 4: his shoulders. The weight of the universe is sitting on 491 00:22:06,624 --> 00:22:10,504 Speaker 4: his slumped shoulders as he has a Starbucks coffee and 492 00:22:10,584 --> 00:22:12,504 Speaker 4: a cigarette. 493 00:22:11,984 --> 00:22:14,184 Speaker 2: And he's just like they did a whole episode on 494 00:22:14,224 --> 00:22:16,304 Speaker 2: their relationship. And we'll put that link in our show 495 00:22:16,344 --> 00:22:18,784 Speaker 2: notes and we'll see you back here in our podcast feed. 496 00:22:18,824 --> 00:22:26,144 Speaker 2: At three pm tomorrow bye bye