WEBVTT - A Brutally Honest Review Of The Odyssey (Part 2) 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.120 From Mama Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.280 culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney and I'm m Vernum and 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:12.240 welcome to our brutally honest review of The Odyssey, Part two. 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.640 Part two. So if you haven't listened to part. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.480 One, please listen to popcorn first. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.759 You'll be very confused if you keep going. Listen to 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.759 part one first. We'll put a link to that in 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:22.680 our show notes. But this is part two. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.119 Now we must return to Ithaca. No, not quite a 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.280 b plot, but sappening at the same time as Odysseus 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.760 is sailing around to different islands and progressively just getting 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.599 his staff killed. Back in Ithaca, twenty years hath passed. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:36.279 Yeah, a long time. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.080 Twenty long years. Penelope is still holding strong that her 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.120 husband Odysseus will return to her. Just crazy, mainly because 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:44.680 she doesn't want to sleep with any of the hoboes 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.040 who are outside. Yeah, and by hotels, I mean the 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:47.839 creepy soldiers. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.800 It's so fair, so fair, But like holding home for 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.040 a man for twenty years is crazy, I know, But 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:54.960 then you don't even do it for like two weeks, 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:55.320 I know. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.279 But then she's got she's got to look after another man. Yeah, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:00.240 and they're not even. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.000 Like the cot and her like like little weak son 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.720 isn't okay, can't be king? Sorry, Tom Holland, Well, he 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.280 wants to be king so bad, but he can't win 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:11.039 a single fight. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.920 Yeah, he's just pushed over, muttering in the background. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.679 Yeah, he's like, I can do it. I can't do it. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:16.240 You can't. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.600 You can't, you can't do it. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:20.840 You can't, you can't. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.880 You're like, don't get me from my biggest steps. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.440 You can't do it. You like, take us in on 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.000 the boat next to me. We're not getting off. We're not. 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.800 If I want this movie, all I do is provide commentary. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:39.679 We're not the heroes of this story. So you me 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.960 on the steps where we've all are. We tell him, 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.520 much like being a podcaster, some people live life and 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.240 some people talk about it, and we talk about. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.720 Like one person says something to Tom Holland, and all 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.920 he says back is you have wise eyes, Athena's eyes. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.360 I'm like, you can't to everyone. It loses its meaning. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:03.720 Yeah, he thinks everyone's Athena, and eventually he is correct. Okay, 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.400 So Penelope is there and for the last ten or 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.000 fifteen years, A whole bunch of men who didn't go 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.399 to war have been camped out in her dining room. Yeah, 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.560 eating a food, drinking of wine, attacking her son, cowards, cows, 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.480 and of course there is Robert Pattinson playing antinous. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:22.720 Yeah, get these beggars out of here. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.480 So he's playing him. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.280 I like him, don't you? I hate him? God, I 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.119 hate him so much in this film. I hate him. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.639 I hate his guts. Don't I hate him? 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.400 You know? Okay, I know that I have. I have 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:37.480 problematic crushes. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.240 Their arrow through the here akilies, bitch you get yours. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.480 So I find Robert Pattinson, at least at the beginning. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.200 He gets a bit stiffly towards it. I can't deal 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.320 with that. I find Robert Pattinson gets worth. He does 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.080 go downhill for me personally, and the crush went away. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.240 But at the start of the movie, because I know 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.520 he's awful, but it's the hottest I've ever seen Robert Patternson, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.320 like the actor. I traditionally have never found him hot 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:09.919 in a movie role like name weird roles, namely one 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:14.440 role where he's hot. What do you mean to say? 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.600 Well, when I was younger, it was Twilight. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.440 Oh I don't find him hot in Twilight. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.359 Or even in Breaking Dawn Part one. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.679 No, not a no, I mean not in any of 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.560 the movies. I think I was just raised on real 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.320 hot vampires. So when I saw that sniffling, whiny little one, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:35.720 I was like, real, huge, euation, controlling. Why's you Jackman 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:40.080 ever played a vampire? No? Oh, no, I can see 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.400 where you're mistaken. He plays vampire hunter and van helsing. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.119 That's all right, that's neither he nor that. Don't break 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:48.800 you Jackman into the gay. I don't think he's even 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.920 he's ever even been at Christopher Nolar movie? Is that crazy? 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:51.840 He's waiting for the call? 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.240 What wasn't he in the Prestige? Oh he was? 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.400 Oh my god, you're right. Oh no, no, I keep 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:00.400 that in, keep that in. No. No. I was trying 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:01.880 to think why I've seen his because there's a there's 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.000 a list of like famous actors who have never worked 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.200 with Nolan, and a list of actors who allegedly would 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.240 not ask back and like Hugh Jackman's name is on 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.400 there because he worked for the same people over over again. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:12.360 Yeah, he hasn't gone back. 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.560 I think the pro I don't think that's against two Jackman, 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.320 I'm sure the project hasn't one. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.280 Well, he did Greats Showman and he wore a top 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:20.119 had in that as well. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.279 Yeah, that's the same as being in a Nolan movie 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.920 character anyway. Yeah, I find Robin Pattinson very hot as 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.040 the coward Tineus something to think about later, but he 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.240 is the one really leading the charge. He will ye. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.800 Wants to marry Penelope, so he's kind of like he 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:39.800 hates hate. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.560 T Melicis is his name, Melicus. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.479 Hates Amelicus, but at the same time because he wants 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.360 to win Penelope over because Penelope really loves her son, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.679 he againstwards, against the odds. He also, in the beginning 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.800 plays is kind of like protective figure, but more for 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:56.800 like show to show Penelope that. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.400 He he's challenged. A very different story when he goes 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.560 into her chain and he's trying to like really talk 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.080 her into it, and he's like, no, Timillicules can be 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.320 the king unless we have a child. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.640 Yeah, we mess that up. We mess that up. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.400 Because he was kind of alms winning her over to them, 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.440 and so they're all just sitting in the dining room 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.640 waiting for I guess for her to like just finally 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.800 give in and choose one of them to marry. And 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.320 the only reason she's been able to hold them off 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.680 is that she's making a tap street and she says, 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.800 when I finished the Taple Street, I will marry one 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.000 of you. But at night she unravels it a little bit, 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:27.839 so she never. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:28.400 Reaches the end. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.520 Twenty years has she's been working on our street? 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.839 Because if that was me, it would actually take me 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.160 twenty years. I wouldn't even know what to start. How 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.360 many knitting projects I've started, and just never. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.000 I did not even tried. I can't. I once tried 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.480 to sew on a button. This is in the last 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.880 few years. Because I had I had all the stuff 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.320 and I had the button. I was like, how hard 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:51.440 could it be? I watched a YouTube tutorial to YouTube tutorials. 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.240 I could not get that button to stay on. I 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:54.680 don't even get it to like get in there. 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.480 And like they didn't even have like YouTube tuatorials back then, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.520 so it probably could have taken me twenty years to 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:00.120 figure out. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.160 Not even that. Honestly, they come in and be like, 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.359 you cannot finish that tempestuy, and I'll be like, no worry, 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.400 no problem, don't even. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.440 Started like three times already. It's just a very He's 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.279 just a tangle of warm I'm somehow in it now. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.839 So while creepy Robert Pattinson is trying to marry Anne Hathaway, 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.280 trying to woo her, trying to woo well, yeah, he's 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.520 trying to try to take her kingdom, one could say 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.200 Timlochius has had enough. Yeah, he has heard some stories 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.640 that his father is still alive. He knows it's crunch time. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.160 So obsessed with his father even though he's never met him. Okay, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:35.600 I'm sorry, but move on. 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.560 Well, he can't move on because he thinks he is 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.800 hearing stories his dad is alive, and that's just going 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.560 to solve all of their problems because he knows that 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.919 all of the men, the fifty or so men that 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.360 are camped out in the hall, eating their food and 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.840 drinking their wine, he is the only thing standing between 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.919 them and the throne. So they're going to kill him. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.839 Yeah, which would be quite easy because he's very week small. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.200 Oh my god, just from Holland everyone's talking about how 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:03.400 he bulked up for this role. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.000 Oh sorry, can. 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.039 I just say just super quick that everyone's talking about 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.560 how hot and manly he looks in this role. And 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.200 I kind of thought that too, But then I saw 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:13.480 spider Man Brand New Day. 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.320 No really, I haven't watched it. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.360 Peter Parker circar spider Man Brand New Day walks all over. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.040 I'm excited to watch it. I've never been like a 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.880 Tom Holland fan girl. I really found him like very 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.080 where the exact same age, and in my head, he's 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.480 like five years younger for some weird because he's been 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.200 playing a teenager for the Yeah, he's got like a 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.560 baby face as well. He just seems very young to me. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.600 He's thirty and he was playing a teenager like the 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.520 last couple of years. But Spider Man's all grown up 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:39.360 in the New spider Man. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.920 Okay, but he's like he just gives young and like, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.640 I don't know, well, it's like I think he's an 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.920 amazing actor. But I've just never had a crush on him. 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:48.840 Yeah, I've never had a crush him too. That's just 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.240 that's a legal thing. I'm a lot, I'm a lot 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.520 older than him. But yeah, look, Peter Parker slash Spider 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.760 Man would have sort of the situation out pretty quick. 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.080 But unfortunately to me, like a doesn't have those skills, 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:08.160 and so he flees Ithaka and heads to Sparta. This Sparta, yeah, 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.920 thank you for that. He goes to Sparta to talk 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.360 to Menilaus, played by one of my all time TV crushes, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:15.160 John Berthnall. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.280 Oh my god, who's also in Spider Man. Brandy Day. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.480 Yeah he is Brandy Day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's also 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.800 famously Shane and The Walking Dead. He's played a lot 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:24.240 of other things. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.840 Very good looking. Yeah, he is a good looking He 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.239 plays Manilayus so well. He does. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.240 You can kind of hear his love. Everyone's got their 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:33.600 own accent in this, and a lot of them are 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:34.120 like New York. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.120 Everyone just is doing their own thing. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:37.920 Everyone's got their own vibe. They're like, we're not even 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.160 going to pretend that we're actually in ancient Greece or 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.360 anything like that, because some people are like, oh my god. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.800 He says like Robin Pattson says to Tom Homland, like 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.679 I'll be your daddy, And people are angry about that. 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.280 They're like, he wouldn't he would have said father, And 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:51.679 everyone's like, he wouldn't have even said that. 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.199 He would have been speaking Greek. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.400 Yeah, and none of you people like, so we won't 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.400 get into all the casting controversy because we've already talked 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.160 about that, and everyone who was up on arms about 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:02.960 Lapeter and stuff, they're just all wrong. I'm not going 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.800 to entertain it. But everyone's like, oh, Anne Hathaway is 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.520 the correct choice, but Lapeter Yongo is the wrong choice Greek. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.120 Neither of them are Greek. And also, Helen of Troy 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.600 is a fictional character. She was born from an egg, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.040 so let's not start cutting straws about what color of 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.600 hair was anyway, So Tamelichus talks to Helen of Troy, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.160 who is back with her husband, and she's not happy 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.040 about it. She did not want to be rescued. But 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:32.400 it was never about yeah, it was never about Yeah. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.440 It was also just never for Helen or Troy. It 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.680 was never like him got them going to get her back. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.079 Wasn't a love story. They literally just wanted to destroy 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.520 Troy and take their stuff. Yeah, And she was just 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.280 kind of like the reason she was made the reason. Yeah. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.959 And then like she feels like everything bad that it 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.720 happened since has been in her name and in the 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.800 actual story, like she wasn't kidnapped, she had an affair. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.600 Yeah, with the King of Troy. Well, it depends what 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.199 interpretation you look at. In some interpretations she was kidnapped, 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.280 and in some interpretations she ran away for love. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.439 I say, ran away for love? You get Ulyssis. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.040 Yeah, well I love that better for her, that fictional woman. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.320 I love that better for her. So that's happening. But 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.680 then we have to circle back around to odysseus An island. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.080 Here we go Odysseus. Well, this time they do not. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:20.760 This time they're all you. They don't get off the 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.160 boat except for one guy, oh yeah, gets off the boat. 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.920 This and now we have come to my third favorite 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.400 seed the entire all. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.200 This like next scene happens in bam bam, bam bam bang. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.839 Oh it's so beautifully done. This might actually be my 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.120 favorite scene the whole movie. So they are sailing and 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:42.000 they're coming to the island of the Sirens, and if 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.560 you hear the Sirens song, you will throw yourself into 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.720 the water and kill yourself. Yeah, And so they devise 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.040 a plan where they'll put wax in the ears so 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.000 that none of the men can hear the sirens song 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:56.280 and they can sail on past. And then Odysseus for shit. 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.920 Synkiles decides, not that I haven't put you guys through enough. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.839 He's like, what if we've lost so many of our men. 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:05.760 We have no food, we have no water, we have 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.000 no hope. What if I was the first one to 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.520 live through hearing the Sirens song? Wouldn't that be fun? 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.720 Let's put everyone in danger and tire leader to me's 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.880 such a pickmy, we get it, You're strong. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:17.320 Yeah. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.280 So they tie him to the mass of the ship. 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.360 Everyone puts their wax in their ears and they start 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:28.240 to go past. At first, I'm slightly disappointed when I 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:29.400 see the Siren Island. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.600 I know why, Why is it because you can't really 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:32.959 see that? 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.320 Yes, oh my god, it isn't that the point of 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.600 the that is the point. But here's the thing, Emily, 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.440 here's the thing that I didn't bring up on this podcast. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.520 You know how I'm super obsessed with like sasquatches, and 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.280 I'm like super into their mythology and how they interact 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.600 with like human history and like all the alleged sightings 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.079 and stuff like that. I also have that for sirens. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:52.280 I just haven't been able to bring up on this 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:53.000 podcast before. 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:54.360 Ma's your chance. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.080 That's my chance, So strap in for another hour of 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.280 Laura's Siren Mythology. No no, but I know a lot. Hey, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:01.760 a lot of the spillers said they did want my 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:02.760 Subsquatch podcast. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:04.760 I think you should pitch it. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.080 So if you guys want a Subsquatch podcast and a 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.320 Siren podcast, please do write in. Maybe they can have 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.520 a crossover episode maybe no no, no, the Odyssey too. 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.280 They exist in different worlds, Emily, so I was really 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.200 excited to see what Nolan's interpretation of the sirens would 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.960 be because they're described so differently in mythology. Sometimes they 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.720 are just beautiful, human like women. Sometimes they do have 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.880 a bit of a tail like a mermaid, and the 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.200 but the most important one in Greek mythology is that 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.680 sometimes they have the head of a lady but the 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.200 body of a bird, and that's that's how they depicted 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.360 in a lot of images from Greek mythology. Insteady oh 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:42.959 my god, I'll show you some pictures afterwards. I'll show 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.280 you my favorite paintings where they have the bird ladies. 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.800 There's a lot of famous paintings that have the sirens 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.800 like that, and I thought, oh my god, is Nolan 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.880 about to have like half bird half women like sirens, 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.080 and the practical effects of that we're going to blow 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:00.640 my mind. So yes, I was hoping for my birdly Sirens, 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.280 which is like almost like the body of a hawk 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.920 and then just the headed neck of a beautiful long Yeah, 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:09.640 And they climb up to the boat and like fly 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.480 over the soldiers and look up the painting. It's really 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.240 shake it's chic, so it's expecting that. So as the 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.600 boat's going past, and it's such a beautiful moment of 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:23.800 filmmaking and cinematography because the mist is there, there's a 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.160 song playing, but obviously it's not the Sirens song because 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.679 we're not supposed to hear it either, and you're looking 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.760 through the mist and you can see the silhouettes of 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.920 these women and it's so so incredible, and it's like 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.960 you're straining to see them, but you know you shouldn't 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.160 see them, but you're desperate just to know what that 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.800 would be like. And that is what the Sirens song is. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.000 You know you shouldn't listen, but you're desperate to know 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.000 what it would be like. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.400 And it's also how you can see them but you 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.040 can't really see them. And then they also have like 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.760 seals and stuff in front, which is like famously what 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.760 pirates and people who are out of it for a 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.360 long time would get mermaids mixed up with with like 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.600 do you go your seals? So I thought it was 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.320 like very clever because it's like you can imagine like 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.120 being on a boat and like just like squinting and 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.840 like what it's like the waters glistening and you're like 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.959 you can't really see what's going on. So I think 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.160 it was brilliantly done because that's how they would have 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:14.640 seen them. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:16.760 That is so true. A sailors would be out of 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.400 the sea for so long, they would like have no food, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.720 no water. They would only see other men. They would 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.000 go like go mad on the sea and they'd see 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.440 a jewgong and imagine it as a beautiful woman. Wow, 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.080 she's hot, Andong's like is that looking at me? Weird? 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.640 Jumping into the. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.280 Like you imagine anything worse. I'm like a man swimming 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.920 towards you though with scurvy. That's what they would have, 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.640 a man swimming towards you with scurvy. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.960 Yeah, that's scary, that's what you's. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:54.000 Ugong's famously don't like humans. Their ancestors were attacked, so 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.080 most of the men keep the wax in their ears 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:02.320 smart they rote. Ogysseus is dreaming and sobbing and begging 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.120 to be let go, but thankfully because they haven't had 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.520 food for a while, he's not strong enough to break free. Yeah, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.440 And he describes the sirens song as like a delicious 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.160 itch that you need to scratch. Yeah. And then one 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.760 poor sailor overcome with the Dugong women and the bird 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.440 woman pulls the wax out of his ear and jumps 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.040 into the ocean and swims away to his death. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:22.880 And that's his right. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.680 And also sometimes let men do what they're going to do. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.960 And the whole time he really, you're really close. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:34.960 Our guy Hamish Pattel is just like he's like looking 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:36.840 at it, dissy has going what the hell's going on? 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.160 He's looking at his men who are just like rolling, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:40.920 this is too much. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.200 And he's like I didn't even want to come this way, 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:43.120 and like a dissy. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:47.320 Has just bloody help mate, like you're like in charge. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.400 I get it, but like you're literally doing nothing but 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:50.400 like being tied to the. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.640 Mast exactly so that he could say, it's just so 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.880 we can have bragging rians. Later on, the other. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.200 Guy jumps in, So then there's one sailor who's just 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:58.800 like by himself on the realm. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.400 Like that's unfair. Yeah, that's unfair. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.440 So well, wait, and what I have to say. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.320 So that magical beautiful scene is my favorite from the 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.840 movie because it's just so eerie and gorgeous. And I 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.400 hope Christopher Nolan makes a Siren spin off. They haven't 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.520 had the big screen treatment. There's no like good siren. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.120 And don't tell me about that terrible siren show. That's bad. 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.880 There's no really good siren. That's not a siren, that's 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.880 a mermaid. They're very They sometimes are intertwined in mythology. 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.880 I could like do a dissertation on this, so don't 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.440 don't get me started. But her dad was Poseidon in 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.880 that iteration. Yeah, yeah, no, sometimes that's that's not a 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.840 link in that much in Greek mythology. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.360 Because I remember Emma Roberts nearly got killed by the 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.520 should have had a field day in the because she's 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:47.440 experienced that before. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.280 Oh, because she was scared of the water. Yeah, well, 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.280 she wasn't scared of the water before. She was scared 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:56.440 of the water after this, they keep going, and Odysseus 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.680 obviously knows a few things. He learned a few things 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.560 in the underworld. He learned a few things from Circe. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.440 And one thing he learned is that more of his 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:04.280 men are going to die. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.160 Yeah, and they say she's probably like and by more 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:07.280 we mean all of them. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.400 Yes, no, no, But he has a choice to make. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.879 There's two different monsters. The boat is going to go 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.760 past the famous whirlpool monster. I believe it's Sharbras. Don't 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.119 at me. I wasn't alive at ancient Greek times. I 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:21.879 don't know about the big sea monster and cause it 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.320 in a whirlpool. He can go past Sharbras and lose 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.359 all of his men, or he can go past Skiller 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.160 Scullar Scollar s c y. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.560 L l A Skyla. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.800 No, I don't think the six headed sea monster from 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:43.480 Greek mythology is called Skylar Skyler. She'd name if so. No, 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.800 I haven't even seen that name written down. So there's 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.040 a there's a whirlpool monster that sucks the ocean into it, 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.879 sucks all the boats into it and kills everyone. Or 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.840 they can go past the passage and the cliffs and 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.199 only Odysseus knows this that if they go past, they 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.760 will just lose like a handful of men, and six 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.320 men more than a handful. Someone would say, yeah, half 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.920