1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,304 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,424 --> 00:00:18,984 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:20,584 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,304 --> 00:00:26,104 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. 5 00:00:26,304 --> 00:00:28,864 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. 6 00:00:29,264 --> 00:00:31,784 Speaker 1: I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Kelly McCarron. 7 00:00:31,464 --> 00:00:34,224 Speaker 3: And coming up on the show today, the history lesson 8 00:00:34,304 --> 00:00:35,984 Speaker 3: you never knew you needed, but we need to. 9 00:00:35,904 --> 00:00:36,744 Speaker 2: Get into it. 10 00:00:36,744 --> 00:00:39,624 Speaker 3: It's the history of Gwyneth Paltrow's It smells like my 11 00:00:39,744 --> 00:00:41,824 Speaker 3: vagina candle because she has got up on stage at 12 00:00:41,824 --> 00:00:45,984 Speaker 3: an event and depending which headline you read, she's let loose. 13 00:00:46,064 --> 00:00:48,624 Speaker 3: She gave a foul mouth response. But there's something just 14 00:00:48,664 --> 00:00:50,784 Speaker 3: so interesting in the backstory. So we're going to get 15 00:00:50,784 --> 00:00:51,144 Speaker 3: into this. 16 00:00:51,344 --> 00:00:55,144 Speaker 1: You could have just said the history of Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina. Yeah, 17 00:00:55,424 --> 00:00:56,544 Speaker 1: keep the people like you can. 18 00:00:57,824 --> 00:00:59,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get to both those things, I'm sure, because 19 00:00:59,944 --> 00:01:01,104 Speaker 3: they're forever intertwined. 20 00:01:02,664 --> 00:01:03,864 Speaker 2: Can't have one without the other. 21 00:01:04,304 --> 00:01:06,864 Speaker 3: Also, the death of the movie star a nice little 22 00:01:06,944 --> 00:01:09,104 Speaker 3: light chat for a Tuesday, brought to us by a 23 00:01:09,224 --> 00:01:11,824 Speaker 3: very unexpected sol So we're going to get into that. 24 00:01:11,984 --> 00:01:15,784 Speaker 1: But first, one of our favorite NEPO babies who's quite 25 00:01:15,864 --> 00:01:17,984 Speaker 1: open about being in their po baby, which we really 26 00:01:17,984 --> 00:01:21,144 Speaker 1: love and appreciate, has spoken out about being cut off 27 00:01:21,184 --> 00:01:25,104 Speaker 1: by her famous parents and cut off is in air quotes. 28 00:01:25,464 --> 00:01:28,064 Speaker 1: Dakota Johnson, who we know from Fifty Shades and How 29 00:01:28,104 --> 00:01:31,784 Speaker 1: to Be Single, is the daughter of Hollywood legends Melanie 30 00:01:31,824 --> 00:01:35,704 Speaker 1: Griffith and Don Johnson. She's recently spoken to Luk about 31 00:01:35,744 --> 00:01:38,064 Speaker 1: what happened when she chose not to go to college, 32 00:01:38,504 --> 00:01:40,864 Speaker 1: because well, I'm sure everyone, but in America you go 33 00:01:40,904 --> 00:01:43,744 Speaker 1: to college. Yeah, you know. In Australia, it's kind of like, eh, 34 00:01:43,784 --> 00:01:45,184 Speaker 1: you do or you don't, Like, it's not weird if 35 00:01:45,184 --> 00:01:48,664 Speaker 1: someone doesn't go. But in America you go to college. 36 00:01:48,824 --> 00:01:49,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, for a long time. 37 00:01:49,704 --> 00:01:51,944 Speaker 3: I mean I think it's maybe slightly changing now or 38 00:01:51,944 --> 00:01:53,824 Speaker 3: maybe more people just can't afford to go. But then 39 00:01:53,824 --> 00:01:55,624 Speaker 3: it was just you do that to get like even 40 00:01:55,624 --> 00:01:58,224 Speaker 3: a base level john Yeah, definitely. The children of the 41 00:01:58,264 --> 00:02:00,904 Speaker 3: wealthy definitely went to some sort of college, whether they 42 00:02:00,904 --> 00:02:02,824 Speaker 3: did their work or not, they just went there to 43 00:02:02,864 --> 00:02:03,584 Speaker 3: have the document. 44 00:02:03,824 --> 00:02:06,544 Speaker 1: So she had tried out for Juilliard, which is a 45 00:02:06,664 --> 00:02:10,184 Speaker 1: performance school, and called it so awful and terrifying, like 46 00:02:10,344 --> 00:02:13,424 Speaker 1: it's a two date chorus line thing. Then after that 47 00:02:13,504 --> 00:02:15,264 Speaker 1: she said, when I didn't get in, my dad cut 48 00:02:15,264 --> 00:02:17,064 Speaker 1: me off because I didn't go to college. And this 49 00:02:17,144 --> 00:02:20,424 Speaker 1: made her get straight into auditioning. She did the Social 50 00:02:20,464 --> 00:02:22,584 Speaker 1: Network soon after. I actually forgot she was in that. 51 00:02:22,864 --> 00:02:24,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of her first big breakout roles. 52 00:02:25,024 --> 00:02:27,784 Speaker 1: But Laura, did you really get cut off or is 53 00:02:27,824 --> 00:02:30,464 Speaker 1: this just you know, someone trying to be I love 54 00:02:30,464 --> 00:02:33,864 Speaker 1: it when celebrities try to be relatable by being very unrelatable. Yeah, 55 00:02:33,944 --> 00:02:34,984 Speaker 1: it is slightly. 56 00:02:34,664 --> 00:02:36,544 Speaker 3: Off brand from her because her whole brand is being 57 00:02:36,624 --> 00:02:39,544 Speaker 3: not relatable, which she's like leaning into the NEPO baby exactly, 58 00:02:39,584 --> 00:02:42,104 Speaker 3: which as an EPO baby has really helped her coast. 59 00:02:42,184 --> 00:02:45,184 Speaker 3: And she has this like very specific Hollywood pedigree that 60 00:02:45,264 --> 00:02:48,104 Speaker 3: NEPO babies, like first generation don't really have. 61 00:02:48,304 --> 00:02:49,544 Speaker 1: Like she's like third generation. 62 00:02:49,624 --> 00:02:53,304 Speaker 3: So her grandmother is tip Heedron, very famous, old school, 63 00:02:53,384 --> 00:02:56,824 Speaker 3: old world kind of Hollywood actress. Her mother is Melanie Griffith. 64 00:02:56,824 --> 00:02:59,304 Speaker 3: Her father is Don Johnson, but also her stepfather for 65 00:02:59,344 --> 00:03:02,664 Speaker 3: over twenty years was Antonio Banderrez. And now she's dating 66 00:03:02,744 --> 00:03:06,744 Speaker 3: Chris Martin and like Sister Wives with Gwameth Paltrow, everyone's. 67 00:03:06,384 --> 00:03:07,544 Speaker 1: Dating Pedro Pascal. 68 00:03:07,984 --> 00:03:10,984 Speaker 3: No, oh, okay, that's okay, we won't because that's a 69 00:03:10,984 --> 00:03:13,344 Speaker 3: surprising information for anyone else. She's in a movie with 70 00:03:13,384 --> 00:03:17,024 Speaker 3: Pedro Pascal and they're doing the Pedro's Pascal never talks 71 00:03:17,024 --> 00:03:19,184 Speaker 3: about dating anyone. We have no information about him, and 72 00:03:19,184 --> 00:03:20,904 Speaker 3: we like it that way because that just allows everyone 73 00:03:20,984 --> 00:03:24,104 Speaker 3: keeps the drum with him. But no, she's been with 74 00:03:24,184 --> 00:03:27,744 Speaker 3: Chris Martin for many, many years and she considers his ex. Yeah, 75 00:03:27,784 --> 00:03:29,944 Speaker 3: and she and Gwyneth are like really good friends, Like 76 00:03:29,944 --> 00:03:30,984 Speaker 3: they talk about loving each other. 77 00:03:30,984 --> 00:03:33,064 Speaker 1: They go to events together. You're looking at. 78 00:03:32,944 --> 00:03:36,624 Speaker 3: Me right now together Martians sometimes things just they've just 79 00:03:36,624 --> 00:03:38,704 Speaker 3: been so public about it. But yes, anyway, So she 80 00:03:38,704 --> 00:03:41,344 Speaker 3: comes from a very kind of very celebrity heavy world, 81 00:03:41,384 --> 00:03:43,624 Speaker 3: and like when she tells stories of her childhood, it's 82 00:03:43,664 --> 00:03:45,464 Speaker 3: like this time I went to the Oscars because you know, 83 00:03:45,544 --> 00:03:47,224 Speaker 3: she's been going to Oscar since she was six, or 84 00:03:47,224 --> 00:03:50,304 Speaker 3: like being in her grandmother's which is very yeah, and 85 00:03:50,344 --> 00:03:52,264 Speaker 3: like having all these celebrities come over and all this 86 00:03:52,304 --> 00:03:55,144 Speaker 3: sort of stuff. So and like going to Antonio Bandero's 87 00:03:55,144 --> 00:03:57,744 Speaker 3: who she calls Papa, like going to his you know, 88 00:03:57,784 --> 00:04:00,224 Speaker 3: big movie sets and stuff at the height of his career, 89 00:04:00,264 --> 00:04:02,744 Speaker 3: so like very in that world, and she's told the 90 00:04:02,824 --> 00:04:04,784 Speaker 3: story a few times. It kind of gets pedaled out 91 00:04:04,784 --> 00:04:06,424 Speaker 3: every time she does oppress too, But this is the 92 00:04:06,424 --> 00:04:08,784 Speaker 3: first time I think it's blown up in a way 93 00:04:08,824 --> 00:04:11,064 Speaker 3: where people are like, I can't believe she was cut 94 00:04:11,104 --> 00:04:13,024 Speaker 3: off and she's really fought the good fight. And I 95 00:04:13,064 --> 00:04:13,784 Speaker 3: was like, what do. 96 00:04:13,704 --> 00:04:16,144 Speaker 1: You think that cut off means? Because if someone says 97 00:04:16,144 --> 00:04:19,064 Speaker 1: that my parents cut me off, like I definitely am 98 00:04:19,104 --> 00:04:22,424 Speaker 1: not living there in them inactions, in which of their mansions. 99 00:04:22,424 --> 00:04:24,424 Speaker 3: Well, again, it's one of those things where and I think, 100 00:04:24,464 --> 00:04:26,544 Speaker 3: also not to defend Don Johnson, but I think when 101 00:04:26,544 --> 00:04:28,944 Speaker 3: she's told this story previously, she did kind. 102 00:04:28,864 --> 00:04:29,544 Speaker 2: Of allude to the fact. 103 00:04:29,544 --> 00:04:31,504 Speaker 3: He's like, just because she didn't get into Juilliard, which 104 00:04:31,544 --> 00:04:34,424 Speaker 3: is the most prestigious performance school in the world, that 105 00:04:34,504 --> 00:04:36,264 Speaker 3: they wanted her to go to some sort of college 106 00:04:36,264 --> 00:04:38,264 Speaker 3: and she said no, and they're like, well, you either 107 00:04:38,304 --> 00:04:40,144 Speaker 3: get a job or you go to college, or we 108 00:04:40,224 --> 00:04:41,184 Speaker 3: won't fund your life. 109 00:04:41,464 --> 00:04:44,104 Speaker 1: Which I think that that's actually really good parenting. You 110 00:04:44,184 --> 00:04:46,944 Speaker 1: can't just like spoon feed your kid money if they're 111 00:04:46,984 --> 00:04:47,864 Speaker 1: not willing to do anything. 112 00:04:47,864 --> 00:04:50,464 Speaker 3: But I think then she talks about like CouchSurfing, but 113 00:04:50,664 --> 00:04:53,544 Speaker 3: she's CouchSurfing between like her celebrity house. Yeah, Like her 114 00:04:53,544 --> 00:04:57,144 Speaker 3: best growing up is like Riley Keok, Elvis's granddaughter, her 115 00:04:57,144 --> 00:04:58,544 Speaker 3: other best friend of Zoe Kravitz. 116 00:04:58,584 --> 00:05:00,544 Speaker 1: Like they're in this little girl gang to couch surfing. 117 00:05:00,624 --> 00:05:02,384 Speaker 1: Is actually they the poolhouse? 118 00:05:02,464 --> 00:05:07,264 Speaker 3: Yeah, Elvis is an unused to state, like the girl 119 00:05:07,304 --> 00:05:07,944 Speaker 3: is doing it tough. 120 00:05:07,984 --> 00:05:08,704 Speaker 2: She's out there doing. 121 00:05:08,584 --> 00:05:10,344 Speaker 1: It well, you can borrow my maid for a few hours, 122 00:05:11,024 --> 00:05:11,704 Speaker 1: so as much. 123 00:05:11,744 --> 00:05:13,424 Speaker 3: And like there's such a difference not being able to 124 00:05:13,424 --> 00:05:16,704 Speaker 3: pay rent when you know that you have so many 125 00:05:16,744 --> 00:05:19,144 Speaker 3: fall back options to not being able to pay rent 126 00:05:19,184 --> 00:05:20,024 Speaker 3: and there's no. 127 00:05:19,944 --> 00:05:22,544 Speaker 1: Options claving in your car. Yeah exactly so. 128 00:05:22,824 --> 00:05:25,144 Speaker 3: But again, I just think when she's on these press tours, 129 00:05:25,224 --> 00:05:27,464 Speaker 3: she just throws at anything again because she's grown up 130 00:05:27,504 --> 00:05:31,144 Speaker 3: so famous, love this intense safety net that I just 131 00:05:31,184 --> 00:05:32,984 Speaker 3: wish she'd go from all the quirky side. Like the 132 00:05:32,984 --> 00:05:35,584 Speaker 3: only time Dakota Johnson's ever annoyed me is when she 133 00:05:35,624 --> 00:05:38,064 Speaker 3: was asked about being an EPO baby, and I thought 134 00:05:38,064 --> 00:05:39,544 Speaker 3: she was going to go down that route where she 135 00:05:39,584 --> 00:05:41,104 Speaker 3: just said like a silly answering and how she just 136 00:05:41,144 --> 00:05:43,904 Speaker 3: like she goes off on a tangent and interviews, and 137 00:05:43,904 --> 00:05:46,504 Speaker 3: she's like weirdly whimsical. Like also in this interview she's 138 00:05:46,584 --> 00:05:48,984 Speaker 3: talking about like being an only fans so she can 139 00:05:49,024 --> 00:05:51,624 Speaker 3: like just wiggle her toe because Pedro Pascal told her to, 140 00:05:51,784 --> 00:05:53,344 Speaker 3: like she lives in a fantasy world. 141 00:05:53,584 --> 00:05:56,424 Speaker 1: She's also like she's quite funny and she's quite honest 142 00:05:56,464 --> 00:05:59,264 Speaker 1: with things. Remember that ad tour that she did the 143 00:05:59,304 --> 00:06:02,104 Speaker 1: architecture and then she comes out and she goes it 144 00:06:02,144 --> 00:06:05,104 Speaker 1: was definitely starved because I'm allergic to limes. Yeah, and 145 00:06:05,104 --> 00:06:07,544 Speaker 1: then like the her picking up the lie going come. 146 00:06:08,744 --> 00:06:10,264 Speaker 1: I know, she's like she's funny. 147 00:06:10,464 --> 00:06:14,624 Speaker 3: She's got very good like deadpan comedy timing like Amma, yeah, 148 00:06:14,704 --> 00:06:17,224 Speaker 3: yeah exactly that kind of just dead behind the eyes, 149 00:06:17,224 --> 00:06:19,384 Speaker 3: but will say something really funny. So the only time 150 00:06:19,424 --> 00:06:21,584 Speaker 3: she has annoyed me is when previously she's talked about 151 00:06:21,584 --> 00:06:24,024 Speaker 3: being a NEPO baby, and when she was asked about it, 152 00:06:24,064 --> 00:06:25,544 Speaker 3: she was like, Oh, it's so boring. It's just a 153 00:06:25,584 --> 00:06:28,424 Speaker 3: boring conversation. And I think that was kind of a 154 00:06:28,504 --> 00:06:30,464 Speaker 3: lazy answer for her, because I wanted her to like 155 00:06:30,784 --> 00:06:33,184 Speaker 3: just go off and tell some magical stories about growing 156 00:06:33,224 --> 00:06:35,424 Speaker 3: up in this crazy world and I don't think anyone 157 00:06:35,424 --> 00:06:37,624 Speaker 3: would regard her, that they would love her more, but 158 00:06:37,704 --> 00:06:39,984 Speaker 3: saying it's boring when you're having this conversation about like 159 00:06:40,304 --> 00:06:42,104 Speaker 3: who gets to make art and who gets to be 160 00:06:42,144 --> 00:06:44,504 Speaker 3: in movies and who gets steal this stuff? Because she 161 00:06:44,744 --> 00:06:46,584 Speaker 3: is a good actress, I think she's actually a better 162 00:06:46,664 --> 00:06:49,464 Speaker 3: interview almost than she is an actress, if that makes sense. 163 00:06:49,464 --> 00:06:51,544 Speaker 2: She's a better personality than she is an actress. 164 00:06:51,544 --> 00:06:54,584 Speaker 1: She's beautiful and she's not bad at acting like she 165 00:06:54,704 --> 00:06:57,344 Speaker 1: was always gonna get. Of course, the parents and the 166 00:06:57,344 --> 00:07:01,064 Speaker 1: grandparents helped, and she might not have gotten it regardless. Yeah, 167 00:07:01,104 --> 00:07:03,984 Speaker 1: she wouldn't continue to get roles if she was awful. 168 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:06,464 Speaker 3: She's one of those NEPO babies. For me, she's on 169 00:07:06,504 --> 00:07:09,544 Speaker 3: the fence. There's some NEPO babies that come through like 170 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:11,864 Speaker 3: a like a Kate Hudh where she comes into the 171 00:07:11,944 --> 00:07:14,704 Speaker 3: room and you're just like, I believe that you probably 172 00:07:14,744 --> 00:07:16,264 Speaker 3: would have got how to lose a guy in ten 173 00:07:16,344 --> 00:07:19,944 Speaker 3: days without your mum, Gwenne And there is yeah, exactly. 174 00:07:20,384 --> 00:07:22,824 Speaker 3: I do think that there's like someone like Dakota Johnson 175 00:07:22,824 --> 00:07:24,944 Speaker 3: who comes in. It's like I feel like, out of 176 00:07:25,024 --> 00:07:26,824 Speaker 3: all the pretty brunette women in the room. 177 00:07:27,384 --> 00:07:28,544 Speaker 1: You didn't have to be the one. 178 00:07:28,384 --> 00:07:30,224 Speaker 3: That they pulled out of the line and put on stage, 179 00:07:30,304 --> 00:07:32,304 Speaker 3: but you did, and then you were able to build 180 00:07:32,344 --> 00:07:34,584 Speaker 3: on it, yeah, from there, because again, not every NEPO 181 00:07:34,664 --> 00:07:38,224 Speaker 3: baby who gets thrown into the ring with everything, like 182 00:07:38,264 --> 00:07:40,984 Speaker 3: think about rumor Willis like, her parents are Bruce Willis 183 00:07:41,024 --> 00:07:43,584 Speaker 3: and Demi Moore, and she tried for years to be 184 00:07:43,624 --> 00:07:46,744 Speaker 3: an actress. Her parents put her in movies, production companies 185 00:07:46,744 --> 00:07:48,984 Speaker 3: put her in movies. People did favors for her, and for. 186 00:07:48,904 --> 00:07:51,584 Speaker 1: Some reason, she just couldn't, for some reason, get over 187 00:07:51,584 --> 00:07:56,624 Speaker 1: that line. Objectively, objectively, she doesn't conform to traditional giddy standards. 188 00:07:56,744 --> 00:07:59,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, and people were horrendous about what she looks like 189 00:07:59,584 --> 00:08:00,224 Speaker 3: and stuff, which. 190 00:08:00,304 --> 00:08:02,864 Speaker 1: Objectively subjectively I mean, but you know. 191 00:08:03,184 --> 00:08:06,344 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, for some reason, someone like to it that 192 00:08:06,384 --> 00:08:09,544 Speaker 3: she's not it. Whereas Dakota, especially like in her first 193 00:08:09,584 --> 00:08:12,264 Speaker 3: couple of movie you can see she's finding her feet, 194 00:08:12,264 --> 00:08:14,424 Speaker 3: but people don't usually get a chance to find. 195 00:08:14,344 --> 00:08:15,344 Speaker 2: Like Lily Rose's Depp. 196 00:08:15,664 --> 00:08:18,304 Speaker 3: Lily Roy's dep is terrible in her first couple of movies, 197 00:08:18,344 --> 00:08:19,704 Speaker 3: and then she was good in The Idol and then 198 00:08:19,704 --> 00:08:22,544 Speaker 3: she's really really good in us Feratu. But that comes 199 00:08:22,584 --> 00:08:25,784 Speaker 3: with having like super famous parents who will like lift 200 00:08:25,824 --> 00:08:30,064 Speaker 3: her for along until she gets to the stage where 201 00:08:30,384 --> 00:08:33,064 Speaker 3: someone else would have been when they started. It's kind 202 00:08:33,104 --> 00:08:35,464 Speaker 3: of interesting because like, I don't mind NEPO babies being 203 00:08:35,464 --> 00:08:37,944 Speaker 3: in the mix, but I want them to like entertain 204 00:08:38,104 --> 00:08:40,704 Speaker 3: us with these yeah, not complain about it, Not say 205 00:08:40,704 --> 00:08:42,064 Speaker 3: it made life harder for them because. 206 00:08:41,864 --> 00:08:44,864 Speaker 1: Because it definitely didn't. And to own it and just say, yeah, 207 00:08:44,944 --> 00:08:47,344 Speaker 1: my parents gave me a leg up. Yeah who cares. 208 00:08:47,624 --> 00:08:50,664 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then tell us some crazy Hollywood stories like. 209 00:08:51,344 --> 00:08:52,864 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise passed out in my house. 210 00:08:53,024 --> 00:08:55,344 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not so funny, because Kate Husan does tell 211 00:08:55,344 --> 00:08:56,744 Speaker 3: a story like that where she's like, yeah, it's a 212 00:08:56,784 --> 00:08:58,344 Speaker 3: nap for baby. Once I was storing a party in 213 00:08:58,424 --> 00:09:00,264 Speaker 3: my parents' house and Tom Cruise climbed the fence. Like 214 00:09:00,304 --> 00:09:02,224 Speaker 3: that's what I want to hear from exactly. That's why 215 00:09:02,264 --> 00:09:05,144 Speaker 3: we love Kate. And that's like with Jakota Johnson, like 216 00:09:05,144 --> 00:09:07,704 Speaker 3: I just want to know what she and Riley Kiir 217 00:09:07,824 --> 00:09:10,184 Speaker 3: and Zoe Kravitz did when they were like twelve years old. 218 00:09:10,424 --> 00:09:11,904 Speaker 3: She said they hung out in car parks and like, 219 00:09:11,984 --> 00:09:13,744 Speaker 3: did you know, I mean they're like drinking and stuff. 220 00:09:13,744 --> 00:09:15,264 Speaker 1: But I was like, that's funny. You tell the story. 221 00:09:15,344 --> 00:09:18,824 Speaker 1: It doesn't don't people recognize you guys, Like and then 222 00:09:19,184 --> 00:09:21,704 Speaker 1: does Lenny Kravitz come and rock up to pick you. 223 00:09:21,704 --> 00:09:24,024 Speaker 2: All and be like, have you guys been drinking? 224 00:09:24,144 --> 00:09:24,304 Speaker 4: Yeah? 225 00:09:24,624 --> 00:09:26,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, like tell us those stories. 226 00:09:26,064 --> 00:09:26,824 Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. 227 00:09:27,024 --> 00:09:29,024 Speaker 3: But yeah, she look, look, we'll give her a pass 228 00:09:29,064 --> 00:09:31,144 Speaker 3: on this one. She's still one of our favorite NEPO babies. 229 00:09:33,144 --> 00:09:36,304 Speaker 3: So once again we are talking about Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina, 230 00:09:36,544 --> 00:09:38,744 Speaker 3: which I never thought would be such a big part 231 00:09:38,784 --> 00:09:42,104 Speaker 3: of my career back when I was at university studying journalism. 232 00:09:42,184 --> 00:09:44,144 Speaker 1: But you thought, in art, I'm going to get paid 233 00:09:44,224 --> 00:09:47,864 Speaker 1: to talk about a candle that smells like a celebrities vagina. 234 00:09:48,184 --> 00:09:51,144 Speaker 3: Yes, and look, this candle came out many, many years ago, 235 00:09:51,464 --> 00:09:54,304 Speaker 3: so we thought, you know, the story had settled, kind 236 00:09:54,304 --> 00:09:56,864 Speaker 3: of buy the candle anymore on group it's been discontinued. 237 00:09:57,064 --> 00:09:59,424 Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow doesn't talk about anymore. We thought the candle 238 00:09:59,464 --> 00:10:01,304 Speaker 3: was in the past, but it read its head again 239 00:10:01,384 --> 00:10:03,904 Speaker 3: in the last couple of days because Gwyneth Paltrow made 240 00:10:03,904 --> 00:10:07,064 Speaker 3: an appearance at the Mine Valley Manifesting Summit in La 241 00:10:07,664 --> 00:10:10,424 Speaker 3: and was asked about the candle and she did what 242 00:10:10,504 --> 00:10:12,304 Speaker 3: a paltro thing where she kind of like takes her 243 00:10:12,344 --> 00:10:15,184 Speaker 3: breath and then she thinks about it and then ah, 244 00:10:15,984 --> 00:10:17,424 Speaker 3: yeah she does, and then she does. 245 00:10:17,264 --> 00:10:20,064 Speaker 1: A little laugh to the side, very specific or yeah. 246 00:10:20,064 --> 00:10:21,264 Speaker 2: You got energy. 247 00:10:21,344 --> 00:10:23,384 Speaker 3: Oh you're even wearing like a beige knit you very 248 00:10:23,464 --> 00:10:26,944 Speaker 3: goop energy coming off you. With my hairs too natural, 249 00:10:27,304 --> 00:10:29,384 Speaker 3: she have that simply have licked right down. 250 00:10:29,544 --> 00:10:31,184 Speaker 1: Yes, you need to have some bone broth and just 251 00:10:31,264 --> 00:10:31,824 Speaker 1: fix that up. 252 00:10:32,264 --> 00:10:34,984 Speaker 3: So she was on stage and she said the product 253 00:10:35,104 --> 00:10:37,864 Speaker 3: was so fascinating because they were just messing around with 254 00:10:37,944 --> 00:10:39,984 Speaker 3: different sense one day. This is her telling the story 255 00:10:39,984 --> 00:10:42,504 Speaker 3: of how the candle, the infamous vagina candle came to 256 00:10:42,584 --> 00:10:46,144 Speaker 3: be and she said that smells like, oh you know, 257 00:10:46,784 --> 00:10:49,184 Speaker 3: and then everyone laughed in the audience because she was 258 00:10:49,264 --> 00:10:50,944 Speaker 3: clearly making a joke. And then she said that it 259 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:54,544 Speaker 3: was actually a conversation between her and her perfumer, Douglas little. 260 00:10:54,744 --> 00:10:57,264 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that poor perfumer. Imagine giving someone a 261 00:10:57,344 --> 00:10:59,104 Speaker 1: scent and they go that smells like a vagina. 262 00:10:59,624 --> 00:11:00,664 Speaker 2: No, Douglas ran with it. 263 00:11:00,704 --> 00:11:03,744 Speaker 3: He's actually the perpetrator in the story, he's the evil mastermind, 264 00:11:03,864 --> 00:11:06,504 Speaker 3: if you will, because Gwyneth is now and look, this 265 00:11:06,624 --> 00:11:08,624 Speaker 3: is a slightly different story to the one she's told 266 00:11:08,664 --> 00:11:10,864 Speaker 3: over the years, like she's kind of was trying to 267 00:11:10,944 --> 00:11:12,144 Speaker 3: distance herself in a. 268 00:11:12,144 --> 00:11:15,464 Speaker 1: Way, but she's also adding mayo. Yeah, yeah, she's just 269 00:11:15,664 --> 00:11:16,384 Speaker 1: just a little bit of extra. 270 00:11:16,744 --> 00:11:19,504 Speaker 3: So she then said that she was joking when she 271 00:11:19,664 --> 00:11:22,984 Speaker 3: said that the candle smelled like her vagina, because when 272 00:11:23,064 --> 00:11:27,984 Speaker 3: she smelled it, she said it smelled like geranium, citrus, cedar. 273 00:11:28,544 --> 00:11:31,664 Speaker 3: And I can't even say half these words damask rose 274 00:11:31,784 --> 00:11:36,664 Speaker 3: and amborette seed, and my poor North Queensland nose doesn't 275 00:11:36,704 --> 00:11:38,824 Speaker 3: know any of those scents except for citrus. I do 276 00:11:38,904 --> 00:11:40,984 Speaker 3: because that was a big body like spray scent when 277 00:11:40,984 --> 00:11:41,664 Speaker 3: I was a teenager. 278 00:11:41,984 --> 00:11:42,664 Speaker 2: You know those ones. 279 00:11:42,824 --> 00:11:45,024 Speaker 1: Well, yes, I've got quite a good nose, and I 280 00:11:45,144 --> 00:11:49,264 Speaker 1: know perfume. And has anyone come out and said, what 281 00:11:49,424 --> 00:11:54,224 Speaker 1: the candle actually smells like? Like, it smells like citrus, okay, Australia, 282 00:11:54,664 --> 00:11:56,744 Speaker 1: But it's not a vaginal odor. 283 00:11:56,824 --> 00:11:57,984 Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was never meant to be. 284 00:11:58,104 --> 00:11:59,904 Speaker 3: I think the idea of what she's saying here is 285 00:11:59,984 --> 00:12:02,344 Speaker 3: that they were smelling different candles for her group line. 286 00:12:02,584 --> 00:12:05,624 Speaker 3: She smelled this one. It smelled beautiful, and she said, 287 00:12:05,864 --> 00:12:07,024 Speaker 3: that smells like my vagina. 288 00:12:07,264 --> 00:12:07,664 Speaker 2: Ha ha ha. 289 00:12:08,104 --> 00:12:10,944 Speaker 3: And then she says, Douglas took that very literal and said, 290 00:12:11,344 --> 00:12:14,104 Speaker 3: what if we sold a candle that says this smells 291 00:12:14,144 --> 00:12:16,704 Speaker 3: like my vagina like you just said. And she says 292 00:12:16,704 --> 00:12:19,224 Speaker 3: that she just laughed and thinking it was a joke, 293 00:12:19,304 --> 00:12:21,664 Speaker 3: said yeah, let's do that. Who wouldn't want to buy that? 294 00:12:22,064 --> 00:12:24,504 Speaker 3: And then she's kind of inferring here that Douglas went 295 00:12:24,544 --> 00:12:27,864 Speaker 3: a little bit rogue. And then the next thing she knew, 296 00:12:27,984 --> 00:12:31,704 Speaker 3: she clicked onto the Goop website and this candle smells vagina. 297 00:12:31,904 --> 00:12:34,944 Speaker 1: That's absolutely what happened. Things go live on her website 298 00:12:34,984 --> 00:12:40,104 Speaker 1: without any several steps of approval. So it's almost like 299 00:12:40,224 --> 00:12:43,224 Speaker 1: you know that outcast song, no you'll like to think, 300 00:12:43,544 --> 00:12:46,024 Speaker 1: or shit don't stink. So she's like, my vagina and 301 00:12:46,504 --> 00:12:51,544 Speaker 1: vaginas aren't smelly unless there's, you know, an infection or something, 302 00:12:52,024 --> 00:12:56,104 Speaker 1: but they do have an odor, a particular just it 303 00:12:56,224 --> 00:12:58,904 Speaker 1: smells like a vagina. So it's almost like she was 304 00:12:58,984 --> 00:13:02,024 Speaker 1: inferring like her, shit don't stink, that my vagina smells 305 00:13:02,064 --> 00:13:06,344 Speaker 1: like this citrusy gorgeousness. Well only unless you're using citrus 306 00:13:06,384 --> 00:13:09,264 Speaker 1: soap on it, which is very bad for the pH Yeah. Yeah, 307 00:13:09,304 --> 00:13:11,384 Speaker 1: well I've never thought of it. Literally, I actually thought 308 00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:13,224 Speaker 1: she I just like, why did I just take it 309 00:13:13,424 --> 00:13:13,864 Speaker 1: so far? 310 00:13:15,064 --> 00:13:17,504 Speaker 3: But well, the thing is, this is the interesting part 311 00:13:17,544 --> 00:13:19,744 Speaker 3: of the history of the vaginan candle. It just depends 312 00:13:19,784 --> 00:13:21,624 Speaker 3: which way you're looking at it. It's either a very 313 00:13:21,704 --> 00:13:24,944 Speaker 3: feminist statement or a very unfeminist statement, because you can 314 00:13:25,024 --> 00:13:27,224 Speaker 3: either look at it like, if that's true, then she's 315 00:13:27,344 --> 00:13:30,544 Speaker 3: using medical products you should use. Or the way I've 316 00:13:30,624 --> 00:13:32,304 Speaker 3: kind of thought of it over the years is that 317 00:13:32,544 --> 00:13:35,184 Speaker 3: she was pushing back against this idea that women can't 318 00:13:35,224 --> 00:13:36,944 Speaker 3: have a natural scent and that you've got to smell 319 00:13:37,344 --> 00:13:40,224 Speaker 3: like this particular way. And so she smelled this beautiful 320 00:13:40,264 --> 00:13:41,744 Speaker 3: candle and she's like, I'm just gonna own it and 321 00:13:41,824 --> 00:13:44,144 Speaker 3: say that's what I smell like. So she said pretty 322 00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:46,184 Speaker 3: much like not the next day, but pretty soon after 323 00:13:46,224 --> 00:13:48,984 Speaker 3: this conversation, it was on the website, and she's like, 324 00:13:49,064 --> 00:13:51,304 Speaker 3: and then we broke the internet again, and it took 325 00:13:51,384 --> 00:13:53,944 Speaker 3: me a long time to live that one down. Then 326 00:13:53,984 --> 00:13:55,304 Speaker 3: she went to say, but I kept it on the 327 00:13:55,384 --> 00:13:57,824 Speaker 3: site because there's an aspect to women's sexuality that I 328 00:13:57,864 --> 00:14:00,304 Speaker 3: think we've over socialized to feel a lot of shame, 329 00:14:00,664 --> 00:14:02,824 Speaker 3: And I sort of love this kind of punk rock idea. 330 00:14:03,264 --> 00:14:05,784 Speaker 3: We are beautiful and we are awesome, so go fuck yourself. 331 00:14:06,144 --> 00:14:07,784 Speaker 1: I think if she really wanted to lean into that, 332 00:14:07,904 --> 00:14:10,784 Speaker 1: she should have actually released a Vagina candle that didn't 333 00:14:10,784 --> 00:14:11,624 Speaker 1: smell like citrus. 334 00:14:12,064 --> 00:14:12,224 Speaker 2: Oh. 335 00:14:12,344 --> 00:14:14,344 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, it's like she'll kind of teeter on 336 00:14:14,424 --> 00:14:16,104 Speaker 3: the edge of like feminism but then kind. 337 00:14:16,024 --> 00:14:19,424 Speaker 1: Of like a like a citrus element. But it should 338 00:14:19,424 --> 00:14:21,664 Speaker 1: be if you really want to lean in and own 339 00:14:21,784 --> 00:14:25,544 Speaker 1: the scent and own the power release a candle. Then Guinney, Well, she. 340 00:14:25,584 --> 00:14:27,184 Speaker 3: Did go on to release a few more so then 341 00:14:27,264 --> 00:14:31,024 Speaker 3: the my Vagina candles went obviously crazy at the time, and. 342 00:14:31,264 --> 00:14:34,624 Speaker 1: Vagina after a lot of pineapple candle, my Vagina after 343 00:14:34,704 --> 00:14:38,104 Speaker 1: too much asparagus candle. Now we're getting really deep in there. 344 00:14:38,384 --> 00:14:40,104 Speaker 1: So they were seventy five dollars at the time. 345 00:14:40,464 --> 00:14:42,744 Speaker 3: Now, because they've been discontinued, they are a very rare 346 00:14:42,824 --> 00:14:46,784 Speaker 3: collector's item now, so mostly research for four hundred. 347 00:14:46,784 --> 00:14:48,864 Speaker 2: You know, I've tried to buy this for another co host. 348 00:14:48,904 --> 00:14:49,704 Speaker 2: I'm not buying yet. 349 00:14:49,744 --> 00:14:50,824 Speaker 1: What it's four hundred dollars. 350 00:14:51,504 --> 00:14:53,464 Speaker 3: I'll put that on the company card. So after the 351 00:14:53,544 --> 00:14:58,064 Speaker 3: Vagina Candle, we had this one smells like my orgasm. Yeah, 352 00:14:58,424 --> 00:15:01,144 Speaker 3: I didn't really take off, and then this one smells 353 00:15:01,184 --> 00:15:04,864 Speaker 3: like my prenup, which is a slightly different, yeah situation. 354 00:15:05,144 --> 00:15:06,664 Speaker 3: I think again there was some sort of there was 355 00:15:06,864 --> 00:15:08,904 Speaker 3: magic in a bottle with the vagina candle. 356 00:15:09,264 --> 00:15:10,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. 357 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:11,264 Speaker 2: I didn't replicate it. 358 00:15:11,664 --> 00:15:14,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it just sounds like you're trying too hard. 359 00:15:14,104 --> 00:15:16,464 Speaker 1: It's kind of like making a sequel to a movie, 360 00:15:16,504 --> 00:15:17,184 Speaker 1: but it's not good. 361 00:15:17,904 --> 00:15:20,544 Speaker 3: Yeah. Everyone just gets in a room. It's like, Oh, 362 00:15:20,584 --> 00:15:21,864 Speaker 3: we need to make more money off this walk can 363 00:15:21,904 --> 00:15:23,664 Speaker 3: we do? So those ones didn't go as well. She 364 00:15:23,784 --> 00:15:26,144 Speaker 3: did release in twenty twenty two the Hands Off My 365 00:15:26,304 --> 00:15:28,904 Speaker 3: Vagina Candle, which for a while, I think a lot 366 00:15:28,904 --> 00:15:31,544 Speaker 3: of peoples like hands off my vagina, as in like 367 00:15:31,624 --> 00:15:34,024 Speaker 3: don't touch me, oh kind of handle And I think 368 00:15:34,024 --> 00:15:35,624 Speaker 3: a lot of people at the time, and maybe I 369 00:15:35,704 --> 00:15:37,504 Speaker 3: did for some time as well, think that that was 370 00:15:37,584 --> 00:15:40,304 Speaker 3: kind of like getting a bit into the me too movement, 371 00:15:40,624 --> 00:15:43,984 Speaker 3: especially because she had like given evidence against Harvey Weinstein 372 00:15:44,024 --> 00:15:45,104 Speaker 3: and all of that, and it was like a kind 373 00:15:45,144 --> 00:15:47,784 Speaker 3: of a symbol, but it was actually when Roe v. 374 00:15:47,904 --> 00:15:50,704 Speaker 3: Wade was overturned in the US, so like the abortion law, 375 00:15:50,984 --> 00:15:52,944 Speaker 3: and then twenty five dollars from the sale of each 376 00:15:53,064 --> 00:15:57,104 Speaker 3: candle went to a Reproductive Freedom Project charity. So I 377 00:15:57,144 --> 00:15:58,424 Speaker 3: think that was a nice way to kind of like 378 00:15:58,584 --> 00:16:01,624 Speaker 3: bring it full circle. It was jarring for people when 379 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:05,064 Speaker 3: like that huge conversation was happening over abortion laws and 380 00:16:05,424 --> 00:16:07,864 Speaker 3: women's rights for their body and everything. For Gwyneth Paltrow 381 00:16:07,944 --> 00:16:09,944 Speaker 3: to come out and be like, and here's my contribution 382 00:16:10,664 --> 00:16:13,504 Speaker 3: this candle, which is over seventy five dollars, but twenty 383 00:16:13,544 --> 00:16:16,304 Speaker 3: dollars will we will you know, which is actually quite good, 384 00:16:16,424 --> 00:16:19,064 Speaker 3: Like that's a big chunk of fifth profit. It's exactly, 385 00:16:19,104 --> 00:16:21,944 Speaker 3: It's something she could have done nothing. The other interesting 386 00:16:22,024 --> 00:16:25,544 Speaker 3: thing of the history of these candles is that allegedly 387 00:16:25,824 --> 00:16:28,264 Speaker 3: they have tried to kill people over the years. She's 388 00:16:28,304 --> 00:16:30,064 Speaker 3: been sued many times for these candles. 389 00:16:30,104 --> 00:16:30,464 Speaker 1: Do you know this? 390 00:16:30,944 --> 00:16:31,424 Speaker 3: No? What? 391 00:16:31,904 --> 00:16:32,104 Speaker 4: Wait? 392 00:16:32,184 --> 00:16:35,024 Speaker 1: Because the candle exploded? Yeah, okay, yeah, that does happen 393 00:16:35,144 --> 00:16:35,984 Speaker 1: sometimes it happens. 394 00:16:36,904 --> 00:16:39,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, like fifty candles a night on my apartment. I've 395 00:16:40,104 --> 00:16:41,304 Speaker 3: never had one explode. 396 00:16:41,544 --> 00:16:44,344 Speaker 1: Oh, I've had several explode. It's quite scary when it 397 00:16:44,424 --> 00:16:47,104 Speaker 1: does happen. It's not common, but. 398 00:16:47,384 --> 00:16:50,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has happened a few times with Gwenna. 399 00:16:50,384 --> 00:16:52,944 Speaker 1: That makes sense. But like if you think about how 400 00:16:52,984 --> 00:16:55,344 Speaker 1: many hundreds of thousands of people bought the candle, will 401 00:16:55,464 --> 00:16:57,784 Speaker 1: yeah then yes it yeah? 402 00:16:57,784 --> 00:16:58,824 Speaker 2: All right, well that's a new fear. 403 00:16:58,864 --> 00:16:59,144 Speaker 1: Unlocked. 404 00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:00,984 Speaker 2: I thought these people were making it up that are candle. 405 00:17:01,664 --> 00:17:04,944 Speaker 1: Leave them unattended in a room because if it explodes 406 00:17:05,424 --> 00:17:07,184 Speaker 1: and something's close by, it catches on fire. 407 00:17:07,224 --> 00:17:08,904 Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, I can't literal. 408 00:17:09,064 --> 00:17:11,424 Speaker 3: I'm really just unlocked a few well, as anyone who 409 00:17:11,424 --> 00:17:13,184 Speaker 3: follows me on Instagram knows, I can't watch a movie 410 00:17:13,264 --> 00:17:15,384 Speaker 3: unless I have a minimum five to six candles lit 411 00:17:15,944 --> 00:17:17,784 Speaker 3: and I sit like in the middle of them, and 412 00:17:17,944 --> 00:17:19,944 Speaker 3: so if one was to explode, I would be gone. 413 00:17:19,984 --> 00:17:20,904 Speaker 2: But at least I'd go happy. 414 00:17:21,144 --> 00:17:25,264 Speaker 1: You would because it's with your drink CARDI yeah, beverage happy. 415 00:17:25,504 --> 00:17:28,464 Speaker 2: Flower lighting my ten cut next to my alcohol cut. 416 00:17:28,904 --> 00:17:31,704 Speaker 1: That's something. And the flowers flammable flowers. 417 00:17:31,904 --> 00:17:34,224 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to wreathing that hole set up anyway. 418 00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:38,064 Speaker 3: A Texas resident called Colby Watson sued Gwyneth Paltrow for 419 00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:41,384 Speaker 3: five million dollars where he claimed, And why were you 420 00:17:41,464 --> 00:17:43,384 Speaker 3: burning the candle Colby, That's what I want to know. 421 00:17:43,824 --> 00:17:47,344 Speaker 3: He claimed the candles on his bedside table and exploded. 422 00:17:47,744 --> 00:17:51,144 Speaker 3: He said he burned it for three hours. It exploded immediately. 423 00:17:51,224 --> 00:17:54,184 Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina candle engulfed his whole room in a 424 00:17:54,224 --> 00:17:57,944 Speaker 3: five flame. Yeah, pretty much, and all that was left 425 00:17:58,104 --> 00:17:59,424 Speaker 3: was a black burnt ring. 426 00:18:00,104 --> 00:18:02,184 Speaker 1: Well, sir, you weren't using your candles, but you were 427 00:18:02,304 --> 00:18:05,664 Speaker 1: not observing it because that's not on her exactly. 428 00:18:05,744 --> 00:18:07,224 Speaker 2: So he burned his bedroom to the ground. 429 00:18:07,664 --> 00:18:12,144 Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow group called his lawsuit frivolous and an attempt 430 00:18:12,184 --> 00:18:15,064 Speaker 3: to secure an outsized payment from a press heavy product, 431 00:18:15,144 --> 00:18:15,784 Speaker 3: which is fair. 432 00:18:16,264 --> 00:18:18,504 Speaker 1: And then a woman called Judy Thompson, who. 433 00:18:18,384 --> 00:18:19,424 Speaker 2: I believe in the UK. 434 00:18:19,944 --> 00:18:21,824 Speaker 3: Judy I felt a bit worse for because Judy won 435 00:18:21,864 --> 00:18:23,624 Speaker 3: the candle in a work quiz. So there was a 436 00:18:23,704 --> 00:18:24,344 Speaker 3: quiz at work. 437 00:18:24,544 --> 00:18:24,944 Speaker 1: She won. 438 00:18:25,064 --> 00:18:28,104 Speaker 3: She answered the most like factually correct answers and she 439 00:18:28,224 --> 00:18:29,504 Speaker 3: got given this vagina candle. 440 00:18:29,584 --> 00:18:30,704 Speaker 2: She had no idea what it was. 441 00:18:31,184 --> 00:18:34,264 Speaker 3: Judy took it home, lit the candle and said, in 442 00:18:34,344 --> 00:18:36,904 Speaker 3: a few minutes. This is Judy's testimony in court against 443 00:18:36,904 --> 00:18:39,584 Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow's Vagina candle. She said, a few minutes after 444 00:18:39,624 --> 00:18:42,384 Speaker 3: I lit the candle, it exploded. Flames roared half a 445 00:18:42,464 --> 00:18:44,464 Speaker 3: meter out of the jar, and bits of molten wax 446 00:18:44,584 --> 00:18:47,144 Speaker 3: flew as it frizzled and spat. We couldn't get near 447 00:18:47,184 --> 00:18:49,584 Speaker 3: to blow it out as the flames were so ferocious, 448 00:18:49,984 --> 00:18:51,544 Speaker 3: and we didn't want to throw water on it for 449 00:18:51,624 --> 00:18:53,784 Speaker 3: fear of splashing molten wax everywhere. 450 00:18:55,304 --> 00:18:59,104 Speaker 1: Burned down. Judy's like, oh my god, the vagina candles 451 00:18:59,104 --> 00:18:59,464 Speaker 1: on fire. 452 00:18:59,864 --> 00:19:01,544 Speaker 2: She said, Luckily I had. 453 00:19:01,544 --> 00:19:04,104 Speaker 3: Placed it on concrete at the base of what was 454 00:19:04,184 --> 00:19:06,344 Speaker 3: once a fireplace, and then she said her home was 455 00:19:06,464 --> 00:19:08,744 Speaker 3: like her living room was gone. Judy also didn't get 456 00:19:08,744 --> 00:19:10,224 Speaker 3: any lost for Gwyneth Peltrow. 457 00:19:09,904 --> 00:19:12,304 Speaker 1: Who said it was the right thing with their candle. 458 00:19:12,384 --> 00:19:14,064 Speaker 3: Well, what we know from Gwyneth Paltrow was like, you 459 00:19:14,104 --> 00:19:16,144 Speaker 3: don't want to go up against her in a court room, 460 00:19:16,144 --> 00:19:19,384 Speaker 3: remember the whole scheme. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like she will 461 00:19:19,424 --> 00:19:21,264 Speaker 3: cut you down. So I don't think any either of 462 00:19:21,304 --> 00:19:24,304 Speaker 3: these lawsuits really went anywhere. But again, like we had 463 00:19:24,344 --> 00:19:28,864 Speaker 3: this candle coming out as this feminist manifesto, we had 464 00:19:28,904 --> 00:19:31,824 Speaker 3: it just become this huge pop culture moment, selling out 465 00:19:31,824 --> 00:19:33,704 Speaker 3: all over the world. Then it allegedly tried to kill 466 00:19:33,784 --> 00:19:36,944 Speaker 3: two people, and now Gwenna's on stage defending its existence. 467 00:19:37,024 --> 00:19:39,184 Speaker 3: So we've kind of come full circle with the candle 468 00:19:39,664 --> 00:19:41,264 Speaker 3: and it's just been a lovely thing to have in 469 00:19:41,304 --> 00:19:42,504 Speaker 3: our lives the last ten years. 470 00:19:43,464 --> 00:19:46,224 Speaker 1: There's light and shade in the news cycle. You need 471 00:19:46,424 --> 00:19:49,024 Speaker 1: the light and that is in the form of a candle. 472 00:19:51,024 --> 00:19:53,824 Speaker 3: Well, something I never thought i'd say is that today 473 00:19:54,104 --> 00:19:57,704 Speaker 3: I listened to a very long podcast interview with Sean 474 00:19:57,784 --> 00:20:01,744 Speaker 3: penn oscar winner, long term mega movie star Sean penn 475 00:20:01,944 --> 00:20:03,464 Speaker 3: on the Louis Throw podcast. 476 00:20:03,264 --> 00:20:05,064 Speaker 1: Is an abomatic Why would you think you never would 477 00:20:05,064 --> 00:20:05,664 Speaker 1: agree with anything? 478 00:20:05,864 --> 00:20:07,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pretty problematic. 479 00:20:07,424 --> 00:20:09,904 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he's a very he has this very old 480 00:20:09,984 --> 00:20:14,624 Speaker 3: school way of thinking and it Boo has. Yeah, and 481 00:20:14,784 --> 00:20:16,864 Speaker 3: also over the years, like he has said some kind 482 00:20:16,904 --> 00:20:20,224 Speaker 3: of not great stuff about different things. You know, he's 483 00:20:20,264 --> 00:20:23,024 Speaker 3: just not someone I would normally align myself with. But 484 00:20:23,584 --> 00:20:25,264 Speaker 3: except for the part in the podcast where he's kind 485 00:20:25,264 --> 00:20:28,024 Speaker 3: of defending Woody Allen then saying he work with him again. 486 00:20:28,264 --> 00:20:29,544 Speaker 3: But he was also saying that he's like, I just 487 00:20:29,584 --> 00:20:31,624 Speaker 3: don't know all the facts and then he was also 488 00:20:31,704 --> 00:20:35,784 Speaker 3: talking about like smoking alcohol not really causing cancer. If 489 00:20:35,864 --> 00:20:38,064 Speaker 3: you like, do something you love, maybe you can let 490 00:20:38,104 --> 00:20:39,224 Speaker 3: it kill you, but it probably won't. 491 00:20:39,224 --> 00:20:39,624 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. 492 00:20:39,624 --> 00:20:41,424 Speaker 3: I wouldn't take medical advice from the man, but I 493 00:20:41,464 --> 00:20:44,184 Speaker 3: think that should go, you know, as says. But then 494 00:20:44,264 --> 00:20:46,304 Speaker 3: also they're like, do you like drinking? And he's like, yeah, 495 00:20:46,344 --> 00:20:48,704 Speaker 3: I mean if you count drinking Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 496 00:20:48,744 --> 00:20:50,104 Speaker 3: I love drinking. And I was like, oh, why we're 497 00:20:50,104 --> 00:20:54,224 Speaker 3: the same person. But anyway, the main things much comment, Oh. 498 00:20:54,184 --> 00:20:55,824 Speaker 2: My god, do I want to hang out with Sean Penn? 499 00:20:55,944 --> 00:20:56,304 Speaker 2: I don't know. 500 00:20:56,824 --> 00:20:58,904 Speaker 3: So Luis throw went up to his like fancy la 501 00:20:58,984 --> 00:21:00,704 Speaker 3: home and they hung out for a few hours. And 502 00:21:00,784 --> 00:21:03,304 Speaker 3: what I thought was interesting is that they were talking 503 00:21:03,464 --> 00:21:05,784 Speaker 3: about kind of the state of Hollywood at the moment, 504 00:21:05,984 --> 00:21:08,464 Speaker 3: and because Sean Penn was saying that he has to 505 00:21:08,584 --> 00:21:10,824 Speaker 3: really love a project to work on it at the moment, 506 00:21:10,864 --> 00:21:13,064 Speaker 3: even though he's still like a very in demand actor 507 00:21:13,464 --> 00:21:15,984 Speaker 3: and he only wants to do projects that basically he's 508 00:21:16,024 --> 00:21:18,864 Speaker 3: written I'm not paraphrasing now, because he will love what 509 00:21:18,984 --> 00:21:21,184 Speaker 3: he writes, but he doesn't love what other actors write. 510 00:21:21,464 --> 00:21:23,704 Speaker 3: And he found that, like after winning his last Oscar 511 00:21:23,744 --> 00:21:26,464 Speaker 3: for Milk, he was very disillusioned with the industry, which 512 00:21:26,584 --> 00:21:29,384 Speaker 3: led to a conversation about who in the industry is 513 00:21:29,504 --> 00:21:32,904 Speaker 3: doing really well? And I expected him when they when 514 00:21:33,064 --> 00:21:34,904 Speaker 3: Luis Throw started asking him about a lot of the 515 00:21:34,944 --> 00:21:37,024 Speaker 3: big shows and movies that he would do that very 516 00:21:37,104 --> 00:21:40,064 Speaker 3: old school actor thing and be like, oh, streaming as 517 00:21:40,144 --> 00:21:42,544 Speaker 3: rubbish and you know all those shows of rubbish and 518 00:21:42,584 --> 00:21:44,904 Speaker 3: like young actors coming up today, because that is usually 519 00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:48,344 Speaker 3: the tact that a lot of actors of that generation take. 520 00:21:48,424 --> 00:21:50,064 Speaker 3: And he was kind of surprising because he's like, I 521 00:21:50,144 --> 00:21:51,584 Speaker 3: can't look at a show. He's like, I don't know 522 00:21:51,624 --> 00:21:53,584 Speaker 3: how to work a streamer, but like someone has showed 523 00:21:53,624 --> 00:21:56,064 Speaker 3: me Euphoria. He's like, it would be embarrassing for me 524 00:21:56,224 --> 00:21:58,664 Speaker 3: to look at a show like Euphoria and not say 525 00:21:58,744 --> 00:22:01,144 Speaker 3: like this is brilliant and there's brilliant things happening here 526 00:22:01,624 --> 00:22:04,424 Speaker 3: and the actors on this are incredible. And then he 527 00:22:04,544 --> 00:22:07,024 Speaker 3: and Luis Throw went on to have this conversation about it. 528 00:22:07,184 --> 00:22:08,904 Speaker 1: I'm just not on my bingo car that Sean Pan 529 00:22:08,944 --> 00:22:10,544 Speaker 1: is sitting at home watching Euphoria. 530 00:22:10,504 --> 00:22:12,344 Speaker 3: Yeah, and being like, yeah, it would be a miss 531 00:22:12,384 --> 00:22:14,784 Speaker 3: of me not to say that this is excellent and 532 00:22:14,904 --> 00:22:19,344 Speaker 3: then wonderful writing, Yeah, excellent, makeup, yeah exactly, and like 533 00:22:19,424 --> 00:22:22,544 Speaker 3: that Zendaya great, which again again like upour, it is 534 00:22:22,584 --> 00:22:24,104 Speaker 3: a really great show. But again I just didn't think 535 00:22:24,104 --> 00:22:25,624 Speaker 3: it was what Sean Penn was watching. But then they 536 00:22:25,664 --> 00:22:28,864 Speaker 3: got onto a really interesting conversation about the fact that 537 00:22:29,264 --> 00:22:31,144 Speaker 3: movie stars don't exist anymore. 538 00:22:31,704 --> 00:22:33,784 Speaker 4: You know, there's no really such thing as a movie 539 00:22:33,824 --> 00:22:36,664 Speaker 4: star anymore. Right, That's that's kind of it's just this 540 00:22:36,944 --> 00:22:41,304 Speaker 4: gigantic library here. I'll give you an example, Game of Thrones. 541 00:22:41,784 --> 00:22:44,264 Speaker 4: Of course I know about Game of Thrones. I know 542 00:22:44,384 --> 00:22:47,184 Speaker 4: it was huge, said so they told me. I just 543 00:22:47,264 --> 00:22:47,784 Speaker 4: didn't see it. 544 00:22:47,864 --> 00:22:49,424 Speaker 3: A mini DiCaprio. 545 00:22:49,984 --> 00:22:53,304 Speaker 4: Well that's before they started stopped the movie star. I 546 00:22:53,304 --> 00:22:57,304 Speaker 4: think the movie star manufacturer ran out around Jennifer Lawrence 547 00:22:57,424 --> 00:23:00,184 Speaker 4: time or something. She was the last probably the last 548 00:23:00,224 --> 00:23:00,744 Speaker 4: movie story. 549 00:23:02,064 --> 00:23:04,344 Speaker 1: Yes, and you agree with him, I really do. 550 00:23:04,504 --> 00:23:06,304 Speaker 3: And something I've said before, and I've got a lot 551 00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:09,184 Speaker 3: of hate for just because I think people will jump 552 00:23:09,224 --> 00:23:11,744 Speaker 3: in and say, like, but this person is so famous 553 00:23:11,744 --> 00:23:12,944 Speaker 3: and this person is such a great acta. 554 00:23:13,024 --> 00:23:14,864 Speaker 1: That's not what a movie star. That's not what Sean Penn, 555 00:23:14,864 --> 00:23:17,544 Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, in our collective, So how do 556 00:23:17,744 --> 00:23:20,784 Speaker 1: you classify actual movie stuff. 557 00:23:21,064 --> 00:23:23,544 Speaker 3: I think it's someone who has become like their name 558 00:23:24,144 --> 00:23:26,624 Speaker 3: is a bigger brand than they are as a person, 559 00:23:27,024 --> 00:23:28,984 Speaker 3: and that their name can open a movie, and that 560 00:23:29,104 --> 00:23:32,744 Speaker 3: their name has become part of culture and history in 561 00:23:32,864 --> 00:23:35,024 Speaker 3: like a bigger way than any of their performances are. 562 00:23:35,224 --> 00:23:36,744 Speaker 3: I just think like back in the day, and it 563 00:23:36,864 --> 00:23:38,624 Speaker 3: was something so old now, Like back in the day, 564 00:23:38,944 --> 00:23:41,704 Speaker 3: there would be like one big movie that would open 565 00:23:41,784 --> 00:23:43,984 Speaker 3: every week, and everyone would go and see that movie, 566 00:23:44,264 --> 00:23:46,264 Speaker 3: and you would have shorthand like that's the new Brad 567 00:23:46,344 --> 00:23:48,824 Speaker 3: Pitt movie, that's the new Julia Roberts movie. That's the 568 00:23:48,944 --> 00:23:51,584 Speaker 3: Tom Hanks make Rian movie. Like we have this kind 569 00:23:51,624 --> 00:23:53,984 Speaker 3: of shorthand. And I also remember when I was little, 570 00:23:54,064 --> 00:23:57,024 Speaker 3: like putting on a movie and like being like seven 571 00:23:57,104 --> 00:24:00,144 Speaker 3: years old, and everyone in my family was like, this 572 00:24:00,304 --> 00:24:02,144 Speaker 3: is a Julia Roberts movie, Like we all knew who 573 00:24:02,184 --> 00:24:05,184 Speaker 3: Julia Roberts was. Me at seven, my mum in her forties, 574 00:24:05,264 --> 00:24:07,904 Speaker 3: my grandmother like nearing ninety, and like she was a 575 00:24:07,944 --> 00:24:10,824 Speaker 3: movie staff for kind of everyone. But I think there's 576 00:24:10,864 --> 00:24:14,104 Speaker 3: lots of people who have global fame, but they wouldn't 577 00:24:14,144 --> 00:24:17,984 Speaker 3: necessarily be cutting across every single generation, every single piece 578 00:24:18,024 --> 00:24:20,704 Speaker 3: of media. They wouldn't like own culture in the way 579 00:24:20,744 --> 00:24:22,584 Speaker 3: that someone did that. And just because the way we 580 00:24:22,664 --> 00:24:25,704 Speaker 3: consume culture has changed, just because there was like one 581 00:24:25,744 --> 00:24:28,464 Speaker 3: big TV show on one big monthly magazine that the 582 00:24:28,544 --> 00:24:31,464 Speaker 3: same person was on every cover, one big movie that 583 00:24:31,584 --> 00:24:33,184 Speaker 3: was coming out at the movies, and like if you 584 00:24:33,224 --> 00:24:34,904 Speaker 3: wanted to watch a movie, you had to go there 585 00:24:35,224 --> 00:24:37,464 Speaker 3: and that person's name was up in lights at the front, 586 00:24:37,944 --> 00:24:40,864 Speaker 3: whereas now like you have someone who has TikTok fame, 587 00:24:40,984 --> 00:24:43,584 Speaker 3: someone who has Instagram fame, someone who has fame on 588 00:24:43,744 --> 00:24:45,944 Speaker 3: like a Netflix streamer, someone who's got like a box 589 00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:49,184 Speaker 3: office movie out. But you could be opening a Marvel 590 00:24:49,264 --> 00:24:50,784 Speaker 3: movie and like a bunch of people could not know 591 00:24:50,864 --> 00:24:51,224 Speaker 3: your name. 592 00:24:51,504 --> 00:24:54,344 Speaker 1: Do you like, Yeah, I wouldn't know, and I wouldn't 593 00:24:54,344 --> 00:24:56,984 Speaker 1: even know that it was a Marvel movie. And I 594 00:24:57,144 --> 00:25:00,104 Speaker 1: think that it comes down to as you were saying, 595 00:25:00,264 --> 00:25:04,624 Speaker 1: but the democratization of fame, Like fame used to only 596 00:25:04,784 --> 00:25:08,584 Speaker 1: be for those big movie stas who got the huge 597 00:25:08,664 --> 00:25:12,584 Speaker 1: blockbusters a couple of year, and these days so many 598 00:25:12,624 --> 00:25:15,584 Speaker 1: different people are famous. Like most people will know of 599 00:25:15,784 --> 00:25:18,304 Speaker 1: someone that is even just a little bit famous or 600 00:25:18,464 --> 00:25:22,744 Speaker 1: a blot famous, and a lot of the time TikToker 601 00:25:23,104 --> 00:25:25,344 Speaker 1: might be way more famous than an actual movie star, 602 00:25:25,384 --> 00:25:28,504 Speaker 1: and they're also worth a lot more money. Movie star 603 00:25:28,984 --> 00:25:32,864 Speaker 1: was the ultimate goal a little because you've got fame 604 00:25:32,944 --> 00:25:36,104 Speaker 1: and you've got money. And not for everyone, of course, 605 00:25:36,224 --> 00:25:39,184 Speaker 1: but we all wanted to be actresses or a performer 606 00:25:39,304 --> 00:25:43,304 Speaker 1: of some sort. And now it's quite scary that kids 607 00:25:43,384 --> 00:25:48,024 Speaker 1: want to be TikTokers because well, there's no real skill. 608 00:25:50,664 --> 00:25:53,504 Speaker 1: If you're looking at a classic TikToker. Of course you 609 00:25:53,624 --> 00:25:56,064 Speaker 1: need to have personality, you need to have creativity, but 610 00:25:56,664 --> 00:26:00,504 Speaker 1: it's very different and there isn't this sort of need 611 00:26:00,624 --> 00:26:03,104 Speaker 1: like if I looked at say, Ellie Fanning. So I 612 00:26:03,224 --> 00:26:04,824 Speaker 1: was having a think about it this morning. So Ellie 613 00:26:04,864 --> 00:26:08,744 Speaker 1: Fanning is a huge actress to ell oh, I thought 614 00:26:08,744 --> 00:26:11,904 Speaker 1: it was Ellie jactress. Kelly doesn't know her name, but 615 00:26:12,024 --> 00:26:14,544 Speaker 1: she's been working since she was three years old, mid 616 00:26:14,584 --> 00:26:16,984 Speaker 1: twenties now and started in a movie with Sean Panne. 617 00:26:16,984 --> 00:26:18,744 Speaker 1: I love how you bring this around. Look at me, 618 00:26:18,824 --> 00:26:21,864 Speaker 1: I really am, not intentionally, and she's worth about eight 619 00:26:21,904 --> 00:26:23,864 Speaker 1: million dollars. You know what else is worth eight million 620 00:26:23,904 --> 00:26:26,984 Speaker 1: dollars alex El and she's been working for a few 621 00:26:27,024 --> 00:26:30,864 Speaker 1: years on Tito. I'm not saying that she's not talented, 622 00:26:30,904 --> 00:26:33,944 Speaker 1: but the level of work is vastly different. Yeah, so 623 00:26:34,024 --> 00:26:36,704 Speaker 1: if you're a young person, you're probably not like going 624 00:26:36,784 --> 00:26:38,024 Speaker 1: after it in the same way. 625 00:26:38,544 --> 00:26:41,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, how you can get famous has really changed. 626 00:26:41,704 --> 00:26:44,144 Speaker 3: But even so, like how you can become almost like 627 00:26:44,184 --> 00:26:47,184 Speaker 3: a caricature through fame, Like in a way almost TikTokers 628 00:26:47,224 --> 00:26:50,344 Speaker 3: have taken over that kind of classic movie star thing 629 00:26:50,424 --> 00:26:52,864 Speaker 3: of like having a very specific look and feel that 630 00:26:52,944 --> 00:26:54,184 Speaker 3: you are soci with them. 631 00:26:55,024 --> 00:26:57,664 Speaker 1: Who I did it again to I Chapel. 632 00:26:57,544 --> 00:26:59,184 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was like, I actually thought you were 633 00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:00,064 Speaker 2: just saying a TikToker. 634 00:27:00,104 --> 00:27:02,544 Speaker 1: I wasn't cool enough to know. Tell me picking over 635 00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:06,944 Speaker 1: Chapel and Charlie XX Charlie XC Oh my god, I 636 00:27:07,184 --> 00:27:10,224 Speaker 1: sound ninety exactly. 637 00:27:10,384 --> 00:27:12,504 Speaker 3: Chapel Road is actually a really good example because someone 638 00:27:12,544 --> 00:27:15,424 Speaker 3: could do like a caricature painting watercolor of Chapel Road 639 00:27:15,424 --> 00:27:16,944 Speaker 3: and like blur her features. 640 00:27:16,704 --> 00:27:18,864 Speaker 1: Like Kimmy kau caught last year. 641 00:27:18,984 --> 00:27:21,664 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, And again that's exactly what Kim Kardashian was 642 00:27:21,704 --> 00:27:23,544 Speaker 3: trying to do. When she went to the met gala 643 00:27:23,624 --> 00:27:26,144 Speaker 3: and she had her face covered and it was almost 644 00:27:26,264 --> 00:27:28,864 Speaker 3: like she was She's what a movie star would have 645 00:27:28,904 --> 00:27:31,824 Speaker 3: been years ago. Is that her look is recognizable without 646 00:27:31,864 --> 00:27:33,744 Speaker 3: her face, And that was the whole point of her look, 647 00:27:33,784 --> 00:27:35,344 Speaker 3: is She's like, I can cover my face because my 648 00:27:35,424 --> 00:27:37,544 Speaker 3: body is so distinct that everyone will know who I am. 649 00:27:37,944 --> 00:27:39,024 Speaker 2: And that's what we used to do. 650 00:27:39,184 --> 00:27:40,984 Speaker 1: But if it wasn't at the Metcha, I don't know. 651 00:27:41,104 --> 00:27:43,864 Speaker 3: She's got a pretty distinct body. If she walked down 652 00:27:43,864 --> 00:27:46,624 Speaker 3: the street with her face covered, you could almost assume it's. 653 00:27:46,544 --> 00:27:47,384 Speaker 2: More of like I was thinking. 654 00:27:47,424 --> 00:27:49,544 Speaker 1: If you knew that she was on the street, you 655 00:27:49,544 --> 00:27:51,464 Speaker 1: would yet with her. If you didn't know she was, 656 00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:54,424 Speaker 1: like if she just flew into Sydney privately and walked 657 00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:56,024 Speaker 1: down the street with her face and body covered, you 658 00:27:56,064 --> 00:27:57,424 Speaker 1: will not think Kim. 659 00:27:58,104 --> 00:27:59,584 Speaker 3: More so, if she was like if an artist drew 660 00:27:59,624 --> 00:28:01,144 Speaker 3: her on a poster and drew her in that way, 661 00:28:01,384 --> 00:28:03,024 Speaker 3: you could know her body the same way as like 662 00:28:03,104 --> 00:28:05,624 Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe was like a classic old school movie star 663 00:28:05,704 --> 00:28:07,904 Speaker 3: has a very distinct look that you would instantly know 664 00:28:08,344 --> 00:28:11,864 Speaker 3: even if someone blurred her features, and just like crazy watercolor, 665 00:28:11,904 --> 00:28:12,584 Speaker 3: you would know it's her. 666 00:28:12,704 --> 00:28:13,704 Speaker 2: Same with Audrey Hepburn. 667 00:28:13,744 --> 00:28:15,504 Speaker 3: Once you saw like the pixie cut and the white shirt, 668 00:28:15,544 --> 00:28:18,424 Speaker 3: like these very distinct people who became a brand and 669 00:28:18,504 --> 00:28:21,584 Speaker 3: a business outside of just being themselves. They became like 670 00:28:21,584 --> 00:28:24,184 Speaker 3: an idea. I don't think actors who get famous now 671 00:28:24,304 --> 00:28:26,824 Speaker 3: become an idea. They're just a famous actor who people 672 00:28:26,904 --> 00:28:29,544 Speaker 3: love and like watch their stuff. Yeah, but they don't 673 00:28:29,784 --> 00:28:32,344 Speaker 3: like shift culture in the same way. 674 00:28:32,904 --> 00:28:34,664 Speaker 1: Do you think as well that we haven't given the 675 00:28:34,744 --> 00:28:39,464 Speaker 1: new wave of movie stars or famous people enough time. 676 00:28:39,984 --> 00:28:44,704 Speaker 1: Like was Nicole Kidman and Meryl Streep and Julia Roberts 677 00:28:45,304 --> 00:28:48,344 Speaker 1: famous in their twenties like movie stars in their twenties? Yeah, yeah, 678 00:28:48,544 --> 00:28:50,904 Speaker 1: I think so, just because again like when they came. 679 00:28:51,024 --> 00:28:53,064 Speaker 1: But work is hard, though, Laura, these days it's like 680 00:28:53,224 --> 00:28:55,224 Speaker 1: they were doing six movies a year. They're not doing that. 681 00:28:55,304 --> 00:28:55,944 Speaker 2: That's very true. 682 00:28:55,944 --> 00:28:58,184 Speaker 3: I think maybe the only time will tell and someone 683 00:28:58,304 --> 00:28:59,544 Speaker 3: like that, Like I'm trying to think of a movie 684 00:28:59,584 --> 00:29:02,144 Speaker 3: star now. Sean Penn and Luis throw were saying Timothy 685 00:29:02,224 --> 00:29:04,744 Speaker 3: Shallomeye even though Sean Painn hadn't seen any of his movies, 686 00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:07,104 Speaker 3: because like I hear, I hear, he's great and he. 687 00:29:07,384 --> 00:29:10,784 Speaker 1: Is she's a movie She's the only one. 688 00:29:10,784 --> 00:29:12,344 Speaker 3: I would kind of think, who has that kind of 689 00:29:12,464 --> 00:29:15,784 Speaker 3: old school classic movie star where the myths and day 690 00:29:15,824 --> 00:29:18,944 Speaker 3: out rivals the work that she does. In terms of 691 00:29:19,064 --> 00:29:21,064 Speaker 3: the work that she does is great, But people would say, 692 00:29:21,064 --> 00:29:22,544 Speaker 3: I'm going to go see the News and Day movie. 693 00:29:22,624 --> 00:29:25,984 Speaker 3: So in a way she has that sort of I wouldn't. 694 00:29:25,624 --> 00:29:28,144 Speaker 1: Pray that still, so like, I think she's fantastic, but 695 00:29:28,184 --> 00:29:30,464 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, I know what you mean with the oh, 696 00:29:30,504 --> 00:29:32,424 Speaker 1: I'm going to go see the new Nicole Kidman or 697 00:29:32,784 --> 00:29:36,344 Speaker 1: the Merrill's new film. But I'm also thinking of like 698 00:29:36,464 --> 00:29:39,744 Speaker 1: who I think could be Oscar winners, like big movie stars, 699 00:29:40,104 --> 00:29:43,624 Speaker 1: huge movies in the next decade or two. Yeah, Florence Pew. 700 00:29:44,504 --> 00:29:46,504 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but she's But I also think when you 701 00:29:46,544 --> 00:29:48,304 Speaker 3: look at the people who we at the moment think 702 00:29:48,304 --> 00:29:50,064 Speaker 3: are so famous and the best actors in the world, 703 00:29:50,104 --> 00:29:52,504 Speaker 3: like a Mikey Madison or a Florence Pew, I don't 704 00:29:52,544 --> 00:29:55,264 Speaker 3: think like that's not an uneration who they are, Yeah, 705 00:29:55,424 --> 00:29:58,064 Speaker 3: kind of thing like old school movie stars. Well, or interestingly, 706 00:29:58,184 --> 00:30:01,384 Speaker 3: like Sean Penn was talking about Tom Cruise in this article, 707 00:30:01,424 --> 00:30:03,184 Speaker 3: and I would say that Tom Cruise is like a 708 00:30:03,304 --> 00:30:07,224 Speaker 3: brand of movie star that doesn't really happen anymore in 709 00:30:07,384 --> 00:30:10,904 Speaker 3: terms of like projects being built around him and like 710 00:30:11,024 --> 00:30:13,024 Speaker 3: things selling on his name, and even the way he 711 00:30:13,184 --> 00:30:15,584 Speaker 3: goes out and does press and media, and like the 712 00:30:15,704 --> 00:30:19,904 Speaker 3: way like terrible stories and allegations against him can exist 713 00:30:19,904 --> 00:30:22,104 Speaker 3: at the same time as him being like beloved and 714 00:30:22,704 --> 00:30:24,944 Speaker 3: you can still put his name on a movie poster 715 00:30:25,024 --> 00:30:27,184 Speaker 3: and people will go and see it. Yes, yes, because 716 00:30:27,224 --> 00:30:29,744 Speaker 3: of that, even if like like the new Missed and 717 00:30:29,744 --> 00:30:32,304 Speaker 3: Impossible movie, it's not great, but like everyone's going to 718 00:30:32,344 --> 00:30:33,904 Speaker 3: go and see it and it's fine. 719 00:30:33,944 --> 00:30:35,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not one that's going to go straight to streaming. 720 00:30:36,544 --> 00:30:39,504 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's it's like the mythology of Tom Cruise. 721 00:30:39,584 --> 00:30:42,104 Speaker 3: But and he also brings up a lot of actors 722 00:30:42,144 --> 00:30:43,864 Speaker 3: behind him, like that Glenn Power has to go and 723 00:30:43,944 --> 00:30:46,504 Speaker 3: do like the Tom Cruise School movie school, which is 724 00:30:46,544 --> 00:30:47,864 Speaker 3: where you sit and watch a lot of movies at 725 00:30:47,904 --> 00:30:48,784 Speaker 3: Tom Cruise has picked for you. 726 00:30:48,904 --> 00:30:50,384 Speaker 2: Actually sounds so fine. I'd love you to do it. 727 00:30:50,384 --> 00:30:52,544 Speaker 1: It would be so good at that, and I would 728 00:30:52,584 --> 00:30:53,224 Speaker 1: be so bad. 729 00:30:53,584 --> 00:30:56,784 Speaker 3: But like, even though Tom Cruise is like very big 730 00:30:56,824 --> 00:31:00,464 Speaker 3: on like molding other mostly men young men to kind 731 00:31:00,504 --> 00:31:02,464 Speaker 3: of be him, and he's talked a lot about that 732 00:31:02,664 --> 00:31:05,144 Speaker 3: none of these young men that he's molding to be 733 00:31:05,344 --> 00:31:09,584 Speaker 3: him are even coming close to what he is in 734 00:31:09,744 --> 00:31:12,864 Speaker 3: terms of like fame and star power and all. 735 00:31:12,784 --> 00:31:14,704 Speaker 1: That sort of stuff. But I don't think it has 736 00:31:14,784 --> 00:31:17,104 Speaker 1: anything to do with the talent. Yeah, I think it 737 00:31:17,264 --> 00:31:21,144 Speaker 1: is completely down to the democratization of fame and also 738 00:31:21,384 --> 00:31:24,144 Speaker 1: just that we absorb media so differently, because I was 739 00:31:24,184 --> 00:31:25,384 Speaker 1: like streaming services exactly. 740 00:31:25,464 --> 00:31:27,904 Speaker 3: Imagine for the next month if there was only one 741 00:31:27,984 --> 00:31:30,784 Speaker 3: movie coming out and it was just like a Florence 742 00:31:30,864 --> 00:31:33,864 Speaker 3: Pugh and Timothy Challowy and so then they already have 743 00:31:33,944 --> 00:31:36,224 Speaker 3: this worldwide fame, but then like every single person in 744 00:31:36,224 --> 00:31:37,544 Speaker 3: the world would be talking about. 745 00:31:37,424 --> 00:31:38,024 Speaker 1: Anything we want. 746 00:31:38,384 --> 00:31:41,704 Speaker 3: Movie that's knew is this movie of Yeah, So I 747 00:31:41,744 --> 00:31:43,584 Speaker 3: think it's just the way cultures movie. And look, maybe 748 00:31:43,624 --> 00:31:45,384 Speaker 3: it's not Maybe it's not the worst thing because it's 749 00:31:45,624 --> 00:31:48,944 Speaker 3: instead of having one person be the cornerstone for like 750 00:31:49,064 --> 00:31:51,224 Speaker 3: every different movie and they're on every magazine and then 751 00:31:51,224 --> 00:31:54,784 Speaker 3: get one movie exactly and have this monopoly. Like maybe 752 00:31:54,824 --> 00:31:56,704 Speaker 3: it is better that like more voices are being brought in. 753 00:31:56,784 --> 00:31:58,344 Speaker 3: But I just think it's interesting that like we're living 754 00:31:58,424 --> 00:32:00,264 Speaker 3: through the age of the death of the movie stuff, 755 00:32:00,344 --> 00:32:02,104 Speaker 3: and there won't be anymore like we're seeing the last 756 00:32:02,184 --> 00:32:03,584 Speaker 3: few people like we get. 757 00:32:03,504 --> 00:32:04,304 Speaker 2: To be around. 758 00:32:04,304 --> 00:32:07,264 Speaker 1: It will be around when they die watching the dinosaurs 759 00:32:07,344 --> 00:32:11,624 Speaker 1: diet Guys, you're not dinosaurs, they're but some of you. 760 00:32:11,864 --> 00:32:14,064 Speaker 2: Like, we'll remember you, but you're you're on the way out. 761 00:32:14,144 --> 00:32:16,784 Speaker 1: It'll be very sad and it'll be across every single 762 00:32:16,864 --> 00:32:21,024 Speaker 1: news outlet when they die. Whereas if like a younger person, 763 00:32:22,104 --> 00:32:25,464 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that sounds so bad, you know what I mean, 764 00:32:25,544 --> 00:32:28,664 Speaker 1: Like it would not get people would be like who who, Yeah, 765 00:32:29,224 --> 00:32:29,664 Speaker 1: this person. 766 00:32:29,824 --> 00:32:31,864 Speaker 3: It's just an interesting it's a good shift in culture, 767 00:32:31,864 --> 00:32:33,944 Speaker 3: but it's just an interesting one to watch. Agree well, 768 00:32:33,984 --> 00:32:35,984 Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming on that journey with 769 00:32:36,104 --> 00:32:37,664 Speaker 3: us and listening to this bill today. 770 00:32:37,704 --> 00:32:39,984 Speaker 1: You're on a wild ride of topics today. 771 00:32:40,304 --> 00:32:42,184 Speaker 3: If you want more of the Spill, which after listening 772 00:32:42,184 --> 00:32:44,664 Speaker 3: to that, why wouldn't you make sure you're following us 773 00:32:44,704 --> 00:32:47,344 Speaker 3: on TikTok or the Spill on TikTok. Lots of great 774 00:32:47,384 --> 00:32:49,784 Speaker 3: things getting posted there, including lots of clips from the 775 00:32:49,864 --> 00:32:52,064 Speaker 3: carn Film Festival at the moment for all those bits 776 00:32:52,104 --> 00:32:54,904 Speaker 3: you missed, and also the Spill podcast. 777 00:32:54,544 --> 00:32:56,904 Speaker 1: On Instagram and we will be back in your feed 778 00:32:57,024 --> 00:32:59,144 Speaker 1: at three pm tomorrow. Bye bye,