1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:26,744 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to 4 00:00:26,784 --> 00:00:29,944 Speaker 1: the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney 5 00:00:29,984 --> 00:00:32,584 Speaker 1: and I'm m Vernon. Coming up today, we have some 6 00:00:32,664 --> 00:00:35,744 Speaker 1: extra special recommendations for you with a bit of a twist, 7 00:00:35,744 --> 00:00:37,744 Speaker 1: a bit of a first time here on this Spill, 8 00:00:38,144 --> 00:00:41,384 Speaker 1: and we have to talk about Courtney Kardashian's latest business 9 00:00:41,504 --> 00:00:44,144 Speaker 1: venture because there are some dangerous actions at work there 10 00:00:44,184 --> 00:00:45,184 Speaker 1: that we need to get into. 11 00:00:45,424 --> 00:00:48,904 Speaker 2: But first, but first, last week, you and I went 12 00:00:48,984 --> 00:00:52,464 Speaker 2: on a date, a Friday night date. Actually we went 13 00:00:52,624 --> 00:00:56,264 Speaker 2: to see a musical and the musical was called Titanique. 14 00:00:56,424 --> 00:00:59,584 Speaker 2: That is t I t A n I q u E. 15 00:01:00,304 --> 00:01:04,544 Speaker 2: So Titanice the musical. Bear with me. It's about Selene 16 00:01:04,624 --> 00:01:09,864 Speaker 2: Deond's interpretation of what she things happened on the Titanic 17 00:01:09,904 --> 00:01:11,784 Speaker 2: and that she on the Titanic, and that she was 18 00:01:11,784 --> 00:01:14,664 Speaker 2: on the Titanic. So yes, it is a comedy musical. 19 00:01:14,704 --> 00:01:17,584 Speaker 2: There is also some improv in there, but it basically 20 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:21,744 Speaker 2: starts off where they're showing us like the audience the 21 00:01:21,784 --> 00:01:25,544 Speaker 2: Titanic Museum or the artifact. Celine Dion appears and she's like, 22 00:01:25,584 --> 00:01:28,064 Speaker 2: you've got it all wrong. Here's what really happened on 23 00:01:28,104 --> 00:01:29,824 Speaker 2: the Titanic because I was there. 24 00:01:30,824 --> 00:01:32,624 Speaker 1: But what was interesting at this is that, Yeah, we 25 00:01:32,664 --> 00:01:35,224 Speaker 1: went along to the show on Friday night and we 26 00:01:35,224 --> 00:01:37,784 Speaker 1: were seated the special tables at the front. Nice to 27 00:01:37,824 --> 00:01:40,064 Speaker 1: be VIP. That was very special. 28 00:01:40,224 --> 00:01:42,344 Speaker 2: We were the Rose and everyone else was the Jacks. 29 00:01:42,544 --> 00:01:45,544 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that doesn't quite fit in with what I 30 00:01:45,544 --> 00:01:47,864 Speaker 1: about to say, because we had a bit of celebrity 31 00:01:47,904 --> 00:01:50,424 Speaker 1: spotting in that first row that we were in. Do 32 00:01:50,504 --> 00:01:51,624 Speaker 1: you know who you were sitting next to? 33 00:01:53,344 --> 00:01:57,304 Speaker 2: Okay, I know because they came in a bit later, 34 00:01:57,504 --> 00:02:00,224 Speaker 2: like just before it started, and they came in with 35 00:02:00,304 --> 00:02:04,224 Speaker 2: like a big posse of people. Oh and I recognized 36 00:02:04,624 --> 00:02:07,424 Speaker 2: the voice, but I was too scared to turn. So 37 00:02:07,544 --> 00:02:09,824 Speaker 2: how it was laid out the theater is like it's 38 00:02:09,864 --> 00:02:12,584 Speaker 2: not just a seat, and our section they had like 39 00:02:12,624 --> 00:02:15,264 Speaker 2: little tables with like a bottle of champagne on each table, 40 00:02:15,344 --> 00:02:17,944 Speaker 2: very kind, very beautiful. So there was like four chairs 41 00:02:17,944 --> 00:02:20,464 Speaker 2: around each table, but the chairs were situated in a 42 00:02:20,464 --> 00:02:23,184 Speaker 2: way where you also had to watch like the theater 43 00:02:23,344 --> 00:02:25,424 Speaker 2: like the stage, So it was a bit of an 44 00:02:25,624 --> 00:02:28,264 Speaker 2: awkward kind of angling where like some people sitting in 45 00:02:28,384 --> 00:02:30,464 Speaker 2: like on a weird angle in front of other people, 46 00:02:30,544 --> 00:02:33,504 Speaker 2: Like our legs were touching the entire time. But yeah, 47 00:02:33,544 --> 00:02:36,544 Speaker 2: there were a few famous people next to me and 48 00:02:36,584 --> 00:02:39,264 Speaker 2: behind me, but I couldn't do the whole turn around 49 00:02:39,264 --> 00:02:41,384 Speaker 2: and look because then I'd be right in their face. 50 00:02:41,544 --> 00:02:43,104 Speaker 1: Yes, so I wouldn't say AWD. I would say it's 51 00:02:43,104 --> 00:02:45,704 Speaker 1: classic dinner theater style where you're sitting around together and 52 00:02:45,744 --> 00:02:47,464 Speaker 1: you know, pushed into the person next to you when. 53 00:02:47,384 --> 00:02:48,224 Speaker 2: You get to experience. 54 00:02:48,464 --> 00:02:51,304 Speaker 1: But you were practically sitting in Joel Creasy's. 55 00:02:50,904 --> 00:02:54,624 Speaker 2: Last I knew it. I knew it because I recognized 56 00:02:54,624 --> 00:02:55,784 Speaker 2: his voice from radio. 57 00:02:56,104 --> 00:02:58,624 Speaker 1: But your faces were nearly touching through the whole thing, 58 00:02:58,664 --> 00:03:01,784 Speaker 1: and you were both laughing hysterically like you'reing the best time. 59 00:03:02,064 --> 00:03:03,944 Speaker 1: And as I was watching you, I was like, oh, look, 60 00:03:03,944 --> 00:03:06,784 Speaker 1: EMM and Joel Creasy are like literally like sitting like 61 00:03:06,984 --> 00:03:10,064 Speaker 1: hand in hand, side by side. And after he left, 62 00:03:10,104 --> 00:03:11,824 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that was really cute, you know, 63 00:03:11,824 --> 00:03:13,064 Speaker 1: like I didn't even see who was next to me, 64 00:03:13,304 --> 00:03:15,424 Speaker 1: couldn't turn my Well, you've had a very intimate experience. 65 00:03:15,744 --> 00:03:16,824 Speaker 2: They didn't because I would have been. 66 00:03:16,784 --> 00:03:19,024 Speaker 1: Like, I don't want A few times when you were 67 00:03:19,104 --> 00:03:20,784 Speaker 1: leading into my lap, I was like, Oh, it's because 68 00:03:20,784 --> 00:03:22,704 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to, like she doesn't want to freak 69 00:03:22,704 --> 00:03:24,984 Speaker 1: out Joel Creasy by lying across his lap as she's 70 00:03:25,024 --> 00:03:26,584 Speaker 1: trying to see different parts of the stage. 71 00:03:26,664 --> 00:03:29,024 Speaker 2: It was so funny. It was like, like I always 72 00:03:29,104 --> 00:03:31,464 Speaker 2: laugh when things are funny, but I rarely like throw 73 00:03:31,584 --> 00:03:32,384 Speaker 2: my head back and life. 74 00:03:32,384 --> 00:03:33,344 Speaker 1: You're doing that a lot, and. 75 00:03:33,304 --> 00:03:35,224 Speaker 2: I nearly like I got you injury or. 76 00:03:35,224 --> 00:03:37,144 Speaker 1: You were going to concust Joel Creasy with that head. 77 00:03:37,064 --> 00:03:39,144 Speaker 2: Drop sound funny. I kept tapping you every time something. 78 00:03:39,624 --> 00:03:41,144 Speaker 2: I was like, what did you say? That did you say? 79 00:03:41,304 --> 00:03:43,104 Speaker 1: But I think the true star spotting of the night 80 00:03:43,144 --> 00:03:45,264 Speaker 1: because when we both sat down we did a little 81 00:03:45,264 --> 00:03:47,744 Speaker 1: look along. We were seeing a few famous faces at 82 00:03:47,784 --> 00:03:50,504 Speaker 1: the same time. We both said Lee Sales. 83 00:03:50,304 --> 00:03:52,904 Speaker 2: Yourself, and she was like in prime view for us 84 00:03:52,984 --> 00:03:55,384 Speaker 2: because our seats were kind of in an art shape, 85 00:03:55,504 --> 00:03:57,544 Speaker 2: so if we looked straight ahead, we were looking at 86 00:03:57,544 --> 00:03:59,024 Speaker 2: her and we had to turn a bit to look 87 00:03:59,064 --> 00:03:59,624 Speaker 2: at the stage. 88 00:03:59,664 --> 00:04:01,424 Speaker 1: Well, there's no way Lee Sales could have gone under 89 00:04:01,424 --> 00:04:03,544 Speaker 1: the radar at that show because there's improv in the show. 90 00:04:03,584 --> 00:04:06,464 Speaker 1: They kept doing callouts to her throughout the musical, so 91 00:04:06,464 --> 00:04:08,984 Speaker 1: at one stage they were saying something like everyone's here 92 00:04:09,024 --> 00:04:11,144 Speaker 1: in like Lee's Sales and she like. And then later 93 00:04:11,224 --> 00:04:14,024 Speaker 1: on the performer who was playing Rose's mother, who was 94 00:04:14,024 --> 00:04:16,144 Speaker 1: one of the standard bus, yeah, he was making a 95 00:04:16,184 --> 00:04:19,064 Speaker 1: joke about the stage having so many stairs and he 96 00:04:19,144 --> 00:04:21,184 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, what is this stairs the musical? 97 00:04:21,184 --> 00:04:22,824 Speaker 1: I'm going to fall to my death and I'm gonna 98 00:04:22,864 --> 00:04:26,184 Speaker 1: kill Lee Sales and she's hysterically laughing. And later on 99 00:04:26,224 --> 00:04:27,584 Speaker 1: when they do that part of it, because it's like 100 00:04:27,704 --> 00:04:30,704 Speaker 1: mimicking scenes from the movie where they do where Jack's 101 00:04:30,704 --> 00:04:33,144 Speaker 1: locked under the boat when it's sinking and they're like, 102 00:04:33,224 --> 00:04:35,184 Speaker 1: throw a man down there so we can dine next 103 00:04:35,184 --> 00:04:36,904 Speaker 1: to Lee Sales, and Lee s Els is just and 104 00:04:36,944 --> 00:04:38,504 Speaker 1: she was a really good sport about it. She's like 105 00:04:38,504 --> 00:04:40,584 Speaker 1: clapping and laughing. But I wonder at what stage she 106 00:04:40,704 --> 00:04:42,544 Speaker 1: was like, I'm literally part of this show. 107 00:04:42,664 --> 00:04:44,704 Speaker 2: It's like I am the musical, similar to when we 108 00:04:44,704 --> 00:04:46,424 Speaker 2: watch Marvels and we're sitting in the front row seat 109 00:04:46,464 --> 00:04:48,544 Speaker 2: and the imax, I'm like, I'm part of this movie, Like. 110 00:04:48,504 --> 00:04:50,304 Speaker 1: I should have a credit in this movie. Anyway, we 111 00:04:50,344 --> 00:04:52,584 Speaker 1: love Titanic the musical. We have never laughed so much. 112 00:04:52,624 --> 00:04:55,344 Speaker 1: If you're in Sydney, it's still playing for quite a. 113 00:04:55,304 --> 00:04:58,104 Speaker 2: Time, you have to go watch it. It is so funny. 114 00:04:58,144 --> 00:04:59,744 Speaker 1: And let us know what celebs you sit next to you, 115 00:04:59,784 --> 00:05:01,784 Speaker 1: because we love a good celeb spotting story. 116 00:05:03,904 --> 00:05:08,424 Speaker 2: So we're an entertainment podcast. We are Surprise Surprise, But 117 00:05:08,824 --> 00:05:10,824 Speaker 2: there is one form of entertainm I meant that we 118 00:05:10,904 --> 00:05:13,384 Speaker 2: don't really touch on much on this podcast, So we 119 00:05:13,464 --> 00:05:18,184 Speaker 2: usually go over movies, TVs, award shows, celebrity dramas, but 120 00:05:18,224 --> 00:05:20,304 Speaker 2: we rarely touch on books. And both of us are 121 00:05:20,344 --> 00:05:24,624 Speaker 2: avid readers, and I would argue that books should be us. 122 00:05:24,904 --> 00:05:27,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, They're definitely part of entertainment, and we have obviously 123 00:05:27,584 --> 00:05:29,464 Speaker 1: discussed books a lot over the years in terms of 124 00:05:29,504 --> 00:05:33,704 Speaker 1: like big celebrity memoirs or books about particular moments in 125 00:05:33,744 --> 00:05:36,984 Speaker 1: pop culture, or books that have TV shows or movies 126 00:05:37,024 --> 00:05:39,504 Speaker 1: coming out about them. And we always get requests from 127 00:05:39,544 --> 00:05:41,624 Speaker 1: people because I think I was talking a while ago 128 00:05:41,664 --> 00:05:44,184 Speaker 1: on an episode about like my list of books that 129 00:05:44,304 --> 00:05:46,704 Speaker 1: always get me out of a reading rut, and as 130 00:05:46,744 --> 00:05:49,504 Speaker 1: soon as that episode went light within like literally five minutes, 131 00:05:49,584 --> 00:05:53,064 Speaker 1: I had about ten spillers DM me asking for that list. 132 00:05:53,104 --> 00:05:54,544 Speaker 1: I think I sent it to most of you. If 133 00:05:54,544 --> 00:05:56,944 Speaker 1: I've missed anyone, obviously hit me up again because I 134 00:05:57,064 --> 00:05:59,504 Speaker 1: clearly have to write it for Mumia dot com dot AU. Yes, 135 00:05:59,784 --> 00:06:01,544 Speaker 1: we'll just don't know, we'll do a whole episode of 136 00:06:01,584 --> 00:06:03,184 Speaker 1: the books to get you out of a reading rut. 137 00:06:03,184 --> 00:06:04,824 Speaker 1: But yes, so we wanted to make sure that all 138 00:06:04,864 --> 00:06:07,024 Speaker 1: this book content that m and I consume because the 139 00:06:07,104 --> 00:06:09,224 Speaker 1: fun thing about this job is we get sent previews 140 00:06:09,224 --> 00:06:12,064 Speaker 1: of books well before they come down shelves. We get 141 00:06:12,064 --> 00:06:14,384 Speaker 1: the heads up secretly about books that are coming out, 142 00:06:14,504 --> 00:06:16,504 Speaker 1: So all that stuff we do in our own time 143 00:06:16,504 --> 00:06:18,104 Speaker 1: for books when I'm going to bring to you guys 144 00:06:18,104 --> 00:06:18,624 Speaker 1: on this pod. 145 00:06:18,744 --> 00:06:20,824 Speaker 2: And there's so much crossover as well, Like I think 146 00:06:20,904 --> 00:06:24,024 Speaker 2: so many books now are getting adapted into movies and 147 00:06:24,064 --> 00:06:27,424 Speaker 2: TV shows and they're just like such a juicy part 148 00:06:27,464 --> 00:06:30,304 Speaker 2: of entertainment. So I'm in this kind of space with 149 00:06:30,384 --> 00:06:31,984 Speaker 2: my reading right now where I've just finished a really 150 00:06:32,024 --> 00:06:34,944 Speaker 2: great book. It's called Lies and Weddings by Kevin Kuan. 151 00:06:35,184 --> 00:06:37,904 Speaker 1: Oh, as you know Kevin Klan my ultimate get you 152 00:06:37,904 --> 00:06:39,744 Speaker 1: out of a reading rite. We have been talking about 153 00:06:39,744 --> 00:06:42,224 Speaker 1: this book so much because I'm saving it for one 154 00:06:42,224 --> 00:06:44,384 Speaker 1: of my upcoming holidays. But I have read every one 155 00:06:44,424 --> 00:06:46,384 Speaker 1: of his other books three to four times. 156 00:06:46,424 --> 00:06:49,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, he writes Crazy Rich Asians. If you haven't read those, 157 00:06:49,264 --> 00:06:49,984 Speaker 2: definitely read those. 158 00:06:50,104 --> 00:06:52,624 Speaker 1: And very different to the movies. When I say to 159 00:06:52,624 --> 00:06:54,944 Speaker 1: people like you have to read the Crazy Rich Asian 160 00:06:55,104 --> 00:06:57,544 Speaker 1: series because there's more than one, people are like, oh, yeah, 161 00:06:57,544 --> 00:06:59,664 Speaker 1: I loved the movie and like, oh, so, I don't 162 00:06:59,664 --> 00:07:00,744 Speaker 1: want to read the book and I don't know. The 163 00:07:00,744 --> 00:07:04,904 Speaker 1: book is so different, much wilder, and the sequel to 164 00:07:04,984 --> 00:07:07,184 Speaker 1: that it just goes off the rails. I'm just gonna say, 165 00:07:07,184 --> 00:07:07,944 Speaker 1: poisoning plot. 166 00:07:08,224 --> 00:07:11,944 Speaker 2: Poisoning plots also a bit of like a murder plot 167 00:07:11,984 --> 00:07:14,984 Speaker 2: in Lies and Weddings. Yes, but it's so brilliant. So 168 00:07:15,024 --> 00:07:17,384 Speaker 2: now I'm kind of looking for what to read next, 169 00:07:17,584 --> 00:07:19,264 Speaker 2: and I feel like I always run into the same 170 00:07:19,344 --> 00:07:22,624 Speaker 2: problem where the book I pick up next always seems 171 00:07:22,624 --> 00:07:25,024 Speaker 2: to be lagging behind what everyone else is reading. So 172 00:07:25,064 --> 00:07:27,184 Speaker 2: I have to dinner with like friends with you with 173 00:07:27,304 --> 00:07:30,144 Speaker 2: drinks and it seems like everyone's reading the same book 174 00:07:30,184 --> 00:07:30,784 Speaker 2: and I'm not. 175 00:07:31,104 --> 00:07:33,384 Speaker 1: There's a real currency with books at the moment which 176 00:07:33,424 --> 00:07:35,104 Speaker 1: is a great thing, but it does mean that, like 177 00:07:35,624 --> 00:07:37,544 Speaker 1: you can kind of feel left behind if like there's 178 00:07:37,584 --> 00:07:39,944 Speaker 1: a book on BookTalk that's going off and you haven't 179 00:07:39,944 --> 00:07:42,224 Speaker 1: read it, or everyone's talking about one at dinner, and 180 00:07:42,304 --> 00:07:44,064 Speaker 1: so this is kind of like currency where you're like, 181 00:07:44,064 --> 00:07:45,464 Speaker 1: even if I haven't read it, I need to know 182 00:07:45,504 --> 00:07:47,304 Speaker 1: what it is. I need to have it in my bags. 183 00:07:47,304 --> 00:07:50,864 Speaker 1: I can post a little nonchalant picture on Instagram and 184 00:07:51,024 --> 00:07:52,424 Speaker 1: just let people know what I'm reading. 185 00:07:52,704 --> 00:07:55,024 Speaker 2: It's so true. So I got together a bit of 186 00:07:55,104 --> 00:07:57,344 Speaker 2: like a focus group, and by focus group, I mean 187 00:07:57,344 --> 00:07:59,944 Speaker 2: it's just the girls. And I was like, tell me 188 00:08:00,024 --> 00:08:02,664 Speaker 2: what books everyone is talking about right now that you 189 00:08:03,144 --> 00:08:05,824 Speaker 2: either read or want to read. And now I have 190 00:08:05,944 --> 00:08:07,944 Speaker 2: my list, and I feel like you would have some 191 00:08:07,944 --> 00:08:08,664 Speaker 2: thoughts on this list. 192 00:08:08,704 --> 00:08:09,984 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hit me, Okay. 193 00:08:10,024 --> 00:08:12,264 Speaker 2: The first book that I feel like everyone is about 194 00:08:12,304 --> 00:08:14,984 Speaker 2: to read is Intimezso by Sally Rooney. 195 00:08:15,504 --> 00:08:18,344 Speaker 1: Oh of course everyone has been dying to read this book. 196 00:08:18,424 --> 00:08:20,744 Speaker 2: It comes out on the twenty fourth of September, so 197 00:08:20,824 --> 00:08:22,544 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm going to be waiting until the 198 00:08:22,584 --> 00:08:24,304 Speaker 2: book comes out so that can be my next read. 199 00:08:24,744 --> 00:08:29,064 Speaker 2: But Sally Rooney is a huge author. She wrote normal people, 200 00:08:29,224 --> 00:08:33,184 Speaker 2: conversation with friends, normal people. Paul Mescal haven't seen it, 201 00:08:33,224 --> 00:08:34,144 Speaker 2: but I heard it's great. 202 00:08:34,264 --> 00:08:34,864 Speaker 1: You read the book. 203 00:08:34,984 --> 00:08:35,704 Speaker 2: I have read the book. 204 00:08:35,784 --> 00:08:37,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I was going to say, otherwise we're 205 00:08:37,744 --> 00:08:38,704 Speaker 1: talking here. 206 00:08:38,824 --> 00:08:40,624 Speaker 2: I know I have read the book. So Into Metso 207 00:08:40,784 --> 00:08:43,544 Speaker 2: is about two brothers, ones in his early twenties, ones 208 00:08:43,584 --> 00:08:46,544 Speaker 2: in his thirties. They live completely separate lives. They're very 209 00:08:46,544 --> 00:08:49,624 Speaker 2: different in personalities, but they have a commonality and that 210 00:08:49,744 --> 00:08:52,664 Speaker 2: they're both experiencing grief after their father died, and the 211 00:08:52,704 --> 00:08:55,384 Speaker 2: book goes into how they kind of come together after 212 00:08:55,384 --> 00:08:57,504 Speaker 2: the passing of their father and the people around them, 213 00:08:57,544 --> 00:09:00,344 Speaker 2: and how their life kind of changes after that. Sally 214 00:09:00,384 --> 00:09:03,464 Speaker 2: run is just so good at that like relationship dynamic 215 00:09:03,504 --> 00:09:04,464 Speaker 2: between two people. 216 00:09:04,664 --> 00:09:07,824 Speaker 1: The way she writes an internal monologue and thoughts. I 217 00:09:07,864 --> 00:09:09,704 Speaker 1: think it's just really beautiful. And that's why I think 218 00:09:09,704 --> 00:09:13,184 Speaker 1: too again had Sally Yeah, exactly like her turn of phrase. Also, 219 00:09:13,224 --> 00:09:15,344 Speaker 1: apparently she's the most fun person to get drunk with 220 00:09:15,384 --> 00:09:16,944 Speaker 1: every author in the New Cases, So I was like, 221 00:09:16,984 --> 00:09:19,264 Speaker 1: this makes me love her even more. She's like a 222 00:09:19,264 --> 00:09:19,944 Speaker 1: real party girl. 223 00:09:19,984 --> 00:09:22,504 Speaker 2: I know she would love Titanic, she really would. 224 00:09:22,904 --> 00:09:26,344 Speaker 1: She comes to singing we take her to Titanic. 225 00:09:26,424 --> 00:09:27,264 Speaker 2: You love this, Sally. 226 00:09:27,544 --> 00:09:29,384 Speaker 1: But what I think also with a Sally reading book 227 00:09:29,424 --> 00:09:31,944 Speaker 1: is because they get adapted after normal people was such 228 00:09:31,984 --> 00:09:34,944 Speaker 1: as you smash Hit, then conversations with friends came out, 229 00:09:34,984 --> 00:09:37,224 Speaker 1: and that was There were some good performancesn't there, But 230 00:09:37,304 --> 00:09:40,464 Speaker 1: it just it paled in comparison to the book. And 231 00:09:40,504 --> 00:09:43,464 Speaker 1: that's because I think that you're getting more of the 232 00:09:43,584 --> 00:09:46,984 Speaker 1: internal thoughts of these characters. There's so many quiet moments, 233 00:09:46,984 --> 00:09:48,784 Speaker 1: but they're told so beautifully and I just don't think 234 00:09:48,784 --> 00:09:51,704 Speaker 1: that really translated to screen. So I wouldn't wait for 235 00:09:51,744 --> 00:09:53,784 Speaker 1: this next book to be adapted for TV. I would 236 00:09:53,864 --> 00:09:54,544 Speaker 1: just read it now. 237 00:09:55,624 --> 00:09:57,344 Speaker 2: The next book I had is something that we talked 238 00:09:57,384 --> 00:09:59,424 Speaker 2: about recently, so I won't harp on about it, The 239 00:09:59,464 --> 00:10:02,504 Speaker 2: Perfect Couple, because we just did a broadly honest review 240 00:10:02,744 --> 00:10:05,384 Speaker 2: on the Netflix limited series. If you haven't listened to that, 241 00:10:05,464 --> 00:10:07,184 Speaker 2: we will link it in our show notes. But we 242 00:10:07,224 --> 00:10:09,944 Speaker 2: did talk about how the ending of the book is 243 00:10:09,984 --> 00:10:12,664 Speaker 2: so so diffic ending of the limited series, which I 244 00:10:12,664 --> 00:10:15,064 Speaker 2: think is so telling that yes, you definitely have to 245 00:10:15,104 --> 00:10:17,784 Speaker 2: read the book. So the author of The Perfect Couple 246 00:10:18,064 --> 00:10:21,904 Speaker 2: is Ellen Hildebrand. The book actually came out in twenty eighteen. 247 00:10:22,344 --> 00:10:25,064 Speaker 2: Because of the limited series, it's trending like crazy, right. 248 00:10:25,144 --> 00:10:26,744 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And what I should say about this author 249 00:10:26,744 --> 00:10:29,024 Speaker 1: too is she's written many, many books, and if her 250 00:10:29,144 --> 00:10:31,744 Speaker 1: name is not on your bookshelf, you should really grab 251 00:10:31,784 --> 00:10:34,184 Speaker 1: a few of her books because they're like the ultimate 252 00:10:34,264 --> 00:10:39,304 Speaker 1: page turner, beach read holiday, like those cozy lux murder mystery, 253 00:10:39,544 --> 00:10:42,904 Speaker 1: rich people getting murder our favorite favorite genre of book 254 00:10:42,944 --> 00:10:45,384 Speaker 1: and TV show. So even if you're like, oh, I 255 00:10:45,464 --> 00:10:47,064 Speaker 1: know what happens in The Perfect Couple because I watched 256 00:10:47,064 --> 00:10:48,584 Speaker 1: the show and you listen to our episode where we 257 00:10:48,624 --> 00:10:50,704 Speaker 1: spoil the book, just get a few of her other 258 00:10:50,744 --> 00:10:52,544 Speaker 1: books because I've read quite a few of them and 259 00:10:52,584 --> 00:10:53,824 Speaker 1: they are real page turners. 260 00:10:54,024 --> 00:10:56,464 Speaker 2: The next one I have is a bit of a 261 00:10:56,544 --> 00:11:00,024 Speaker 2: local recommendation. It's also a memoir and it's by Listen 262 00:11:00,104 --> 00:11:02,264 Speaker 2: the Price. It's called All I Ever Wanted Was to 263 00:11:02,304 --> 00:11:05,744 Speaker 2: Be Hot. You might know her as Frooms on Instagram, 264 00:11:05,824 --> 00:11:10,024 Speaker 2: but she's an Australian comedian, creator, writer, and it's a 265 00:11:10,064 --> 00:11:13,624 Speaker 2: memory and she writes really honestly about dealing with self 266 00:11:13,664 --> 00:11:16,784 Speaker 2: image and body issues when she was a young person. 267 00:11:17,264 --> 00:11:20,304 Speaker 2: It's something that's so fitting for I think what like 268 00:11:20,464 --> 00:11:23,664 Speaker 2: millennials and gen Z go through when they're teenagers. But 269 00:11:23,744 --> 00:11:27,304 Speaker 2: she speaks so honestly, and it's so honest that I 270 00:11:27,384 --> 00:11:29,624 Speaker 2: was kind of shocked in places that she that she 271 00:11:29,624 --> 00:11:31,904 Speaker 2: says the quiet part out loud, which I mean, like 272 00:11:32,064 --> 00:11:35,024 Speaker 2: so grateful for. But it's something that I feel like 273 00:11:35,064 --> 00:11:38,584 Speaker 2: we've all internalized as young people that it's kind of 274 00:11:39,104 --> 00:11:41,384 Speaker 2: really beautiful to see someone actually say it out loud 275 00:11:41,384 --> 00:11:43,024 Speaker 2: and say how fucked up it was? 276 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:45,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And what's so interesting is that I've just 277 00:11:45,424 --> 00:11:47,864 Speaker 1: started reading this book. I'm probably a couple of chapters 278 00:11:47,904 --> 00:11:50,264 Speaker 1: in now, and I'm really loving it. And what I 279 00:11:50,264 --> 00:11:53,344 Speaker 1: find so interesting is that, like her online persona Prooms, 280 00:11:53,384 --> 00:11:55,224 Speaker 1: is someone I followed for a really long time, I 281 00:11:55,264 --> 00:11:58,544 Speaker 1: find her just so funny everything she posts on Instagram 282 00:11:58,864 --> 00:12:01,624 Speaker 1: and her very unique style of wit and humor is 283 00:12:01,784 --> 00:12:04,664 Speaker 1: in this book, which I'm loving. But then she also has, 284 00:12:04,744 --> 00:12:07,224 Speaker 1: like you're saying, these really deep, honest thoughts that, like, 285 00:12:07,704 --> 00:12:10,264 Speaker 1: I think, really speak to something that we've all been 286 00:12:10,464 --> 00:12:12,464 Speaker 1: from a lot of people maybe haven't touched on it yet. 287 00:12:12,704 --> 00:12:14,544 Speaker 1: So it's one of those books that makes you think 288 00:12:14,584 --> 00:12:16,504 Speaker 1: but also makes you laugh. I'm just I'm loving it. 289 00:12:16,544 --> 00:12:18,024 Speaker 1: I'm trying to sort of just like read a few 290 00:12:18,064 --> 00:12:19,584 Speaker 1: chapters every night, so it lasts. 291 00:12:19,704 --> 00:12:22,544 Speaker 2: Okay, my next one, Okay, it's upcoming. I kind of 292 00:12:22,544 --> 00:12:24,504 Speaker 2: push the limit here because this one actually comes out 293 00:12:24,504 --> 00:12:25,504 Speaker 2: on October first. 294 00:12:25,824 --> 00:12:27,864 Speaker 1: That's okay. We love to weep in a bit. Also, 295 00:12:28,024 --> 00:12:30,024 Speaker 1: time a pre order is your best friend when it 296 00:12:30,024 --> 00:12:32,304 Speaker 1: comes to being on top of books and what's coming out. 297 00:12:32,424 --> 00:12:34,664 Speaker 2: We love a pre order. It's called Things Will Calm 298 00:12:34,704 --> 00:12:38,384 Speaker 2: Down Soon by Zoe Foster Blaze, Yes, a new novel 299 00:12:38,544 --> 00:12:42,224 Speaker 2: by Zoe our Skincare Overlord and Heartbreak Expert. It is 300 00:12:42,264 --> 00:12:45,984 Speaker 2: about a woman named Kit Cooper who's a hairstylist, So 301 00:12:46,024 --> 00:12:48,904 Speaker 2: she really mixes beauty and business, which I think is 302 00:12:48,944 --> 00:12:52,344 Speaker 2: perfect for Zoe to write about. So Kit is a hairstylist, 303 00:12:52,384 --> 00:12:55,624 Speaker 2: like a celebrity hairstylist, famous hairstylist, and she's kind of 304 00:12:55,664 --> 00:12:58,584 Speaker 2: looking for a hair product it doesn't exist, so she 305 00:12:58,664 --> 00:13:01,344 Speaker 2: kind of tries to make it herself and strives off 306 00:13:01,344 --> 00:13:04,784 Speaker 2: on her own and immediately inserts herself into a world. Okao, 307 00:13:04,864 --> 00:13:06,464 Speaker 2: I think it's just gonna be one of those funny, 308 00:13:06,584 --> 00:13:09,544 Speaker 2: like women in business kind of novels. 309 00:13:09,744 --> 00:13:12,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think obviously So many people know Zoe 310 00:13:12,144 --> 00:13:14,944 Speaker 1: Foster Blake from her skincare brand and her beauty business 311 00:13:14,984 --> 00:13:17,224 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, But I mainly knew her, 312 00:13:17,224 --> 00:13:19,104 Speaker 1: like I first came to know her by just reading 313 00:13:19,144 --> 00:13:21,464 Speaker 1: her fiction books. I think she wrote quite a few 314 00:13:21,624 --> 00:13:24,304 Speaker 1: before she even turned thirty, which is terrifying for the 315 00:13:24,344 --> 00:13:27,144 Speaker 1: rest of it. But yeah, kind of again the ultimate 316 00:13:27,224 --> 00:13:30,904 Speaker 1: like funny, sharp, great beach kind of comfort reads. So 317 00:13:30,944 --> 00:13:32,744 Speaker 1: I've read all of her fiction books and I'm super 318 00:13:32,744 --> 00:13:33,664 Speaker 1: pumped to read this one. 319 00:13:33,744 --> 00:13:36,104 Speaker 2: Okay, I have one more. I have one more, and 320 00:13:36,144 --> 00:13:39,104 Speaker 2: it's one that I don't actually know much about until. 321 00:13:38,984 --> 00:13:39,984 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're talking about. 322 00:13:40,624 --> 00:13:43,744 Speaker 2: I read a line that said it's a comedy for 323 00:13:43,864 --> 00:13:45,664 Speaker 2: women and a horror movie for men. 324 00:13:45,984 --> 00:13:49,344 Speaker 1: I mean sold like unreal. It's called Night Bitch. Oh 325 00:13:49,424 --> 00:13:52,064 Speaker 1: my god. Yes, I have just ordered this book. It 326 00:13:52,104 --> 00:13:54,544 Speaker 1: should be arriving momentarily as in the days. 327 00:13:54,944 --> 00:13:57,744 Speaker 2: It's by Rachel Yotta, so it's getting made into a 328 00:13:57,784 --> 00:14:00,864 Speaker 2: movie that stars Amy Adams. It won in Toronto, and 329 00:14:00,864 --> 00:14:03,504 Speaker 2: there's heaps of Oscar buzz around her for this film, 330 00:14:03,984 --> 00:14:06,584 Speaker 2: and I think because of that, everyone's now obsessed with 331 00:14:06,584 --> 00:14:09,064 Speaker 2: the book and is reading it. I don't know much 332 00:14:09,064 --> 00:14:11,784 Speaker 2: about the book, but that like comedy, I think. 333 00:14:11,864 --> 00:14:13,944 Speaker 1: Do you know what it's about? Yeah, but she's a 334 00:14:13,944 --> 00:14:17,304 Speaker 1: woman who turns into a dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And 335 00:14:17,344 --> 00:14:18,984 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's all I know about it. Well, I 336 00:14:19,064 --> 00:14:20,704 Speaker 1: mean I think she does turn into a dog. That's 337 00:14:20,784 --> 00:14:22,344 Speaker 1: definitely part of the book. It's not like a dream 338 00:14:22,384 --> 00:14:24,864 Speaker 1: sequence or anything, but it's you know about the woman's 339 00:14:24,944 --> 00:14:26,984 Speaker 1: kind of like this rage that she has inside and 340 00:14:27,024 --> 00:14:29,664 Speaker 1: like unleashing this different part of her. Yeah, we'll have 341 00:14:29,704 --> 00:14:31,264 Speaker 1: to sort of see when the movie comes out, but 342 00:14:31,264 --> 00:14:32,864 Speaker 1: there is so much buzz around it, and one of 343 00:14:32,904 --> 00:14:35,344 Speaker 1: those ones I think, really good to read the book 344 00:14:35,424 --> 00:14:38,344 Speaker 1: first if you can, just because apparently the prose, especially 345 00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:39,704 Speaker 1: when she does turn into a dog, is meant to 346 00:14:39,704 --> 00:14:42,184 Speaker 1: be quite amazing. So, oh my god, exactly what I 347 00:14:42,184 --> 00:14:44,584 Speaker 1: want to read. If you're sort of just like listening 348 00:14:44,624 --> 00:14:47,104 Speaker 1: to this as your cleaning or walking, you're like, I'm 349 00:14:47,104 --> 00:14:49,024 Speaker 1: not going to remember all those titles. We will put 350 00:14:49,064 --> 00:14:53,344 Speaker 1: them all up on our Instagram account. Spill podcast on Instagram. 351 00:14:53,464 --> 00:14:55,104 Speaker 1: Let us know if you've read them, let us know 352 00:14:55,184 --> 00:14:57,824 Speaker 1: what you're going to be reading. Any other recommendations, because 353 00:14:58,064 --> 00:15:02,064 Speaker 1: you know, we're all about the books. Well, we need 354 00:15:02,104 --> 00:15:05,064 Speaker 1: to talk about Courtney Kardashian, and normally that's a subject 355 00:15:05,184 --> 00:15:07,424 Speaker 1: I would just find absolutely delightful. You know, I love 356 00:15:07,464 --> 00:15:10,104 Speaker 1: a bit of Kardashian drama, a little bit of Kardashian chat. 357 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:12,784 Speaker 1: Even though the last season of The Kardashians was a 358 00:15:12,784 --> 00:15:14,304 Speaker 1: little bit lackluster. 359 00:15:14,064 --> 00:15:15,624 Speaker 2: She's been trying to avoid the drama. 360 00:15:16,104 --> 00:15:18,944 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's why this next part is something that 361 00:15:19,104 --> 00:15:21,144 Speaker 1: really did puzzle me and also just make me roll 362 00:15:21,144 --> 00:15:23,944 Speaker 1: my eyes when I saw the news. So last week 363 00:15:24,064 --> 00:15:27,344 Speaker 1: it came to everyone's attention that Courtney Kardashian's brand, Lemmy, 364 00:15:27,424 --> 00:15:29,824 Speaker 1: which is a brand of gummies, announce they had a 365 00:15:29,864 --> 00:15:32,944 Speaker 1: new product that was soon going to be available to customers. 366 00:15:33,304 --> 00:15:37,544 Speaker 1: And it's a gummy product that contains GLP one daily, 367 00:15:37,984 --> 00:15:40,744 Speaker 1: which is, as a number of outlets have reported, including Vogue, 368 00:15:40,784 --> 00:15:43,504 Speaker 1: The New York Times, and no Zepic style supplements, so 369 00:15:43,984 --> 00:15:47,144 Speaker 1: not directly tied to any of the weight loss drugs 370 00:15:47,144 --> 00:15:49,824 Speaker 1: that are currently on the market and being prescribed by 371 00:15:49,864 --> 00:15:54,864 Speaker 1: medical professionals, but it does contain sort of similar ingredients 372 00:15:54,904 --> 00:15:59,464 Speaker 1: that Lemmy as a company is saying, we'll manage weight loss. 373 00:15:59,744 --> 00:16:02,264 Speaker 1: What the actual wording on this new supplement says it 374 00:16:02,304 --> 00:16:05,544 Speaker 1: will deliver significant weight management management. 375 00:16:06,104 --> 00:16:07,864 Speaker 2: Yes, it's interesting marketing terms. 376 00:16:08,064 --> 00:16:10,104 Speaker 1: Yes. So we're not going to get too into the 377 00:16:10,744 --> 00:16:13,104 Speaker 1: on that, because what I will say is is obviously 378 00:16:13,264 --> 00:16:15,584 Speaker 1: nothing shameful or wrong with taking any kind of weight 379 00:16:15,624 --> 00:16:18,984 Speaker 1: loss medication. But it's definitely something that everyone who is 380 00:16:18,984 --> 00:16:21,744 Speaker 1: on it talks about to a medical professional, to their doctor, 381 00:16:21,824 --> 00:16:24,384 Speaker 1: they have a plan. It's all being sort of covered 382 00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:27,344 Speaker 1: by medical professionals. It's not something you should be getting 383 00:16:27,384 --> 00:16:31,024 Speaker 1: your information from a marketing company that's doing things for 384 00:16:31,144 --> 00:16:35,464 Speaker 1: let me buy influences by any anything like that. Yeah, 385 00:16:35,464 --> 00:16:38,224 Speaker 1: but what people are upset about is that it kind 386 00:16:38,224 --> 00:16:40,584 Speaker 1: of feels like Courtney Kardashi and her company, what it 387 00:16:40,664 --> 00:16:43,824 Speaker 1: feels like it is that they are very much kind 388 00:16:43,864 --> 00:16:47,624 Speaker 1: of trying to jump on this trend of this renewed 389 00:16:47,904 --> 00:16:51,184 Speaker 1: interest that we have in thinness that's really come to 390 00:16:51,264 --> 00:16:53,744 Speaker 1: the forefront in pop culture and media and just life 391 00:16:53,824 --> 00:16:56,344 Speaker 1: at the moment. And I find it really interesting that 392 00:16:56,384 --> 00:16:58,304 Speaker 1: so many people are saying, like, oh, you know, the 393 00:16:58,304 --> 00:17:01,424 Speaker 1: body image movement has kind of like lost momentum, and 394 00:17:01,944 --> 00:17:05,304 Speaker 1: people's weight wasn't a topic of conversation and now it's 395 00:17:05,344 --> 00:17:08,384 Speaker 1: back to really idolizing this thin form, and to that, 396 00:17:08,384 --> 00:17:10,624 Speaker 1: I'd say, like it actually, if you live in a body, 397 00:17:10,624 --> 00:17:12,704 Speaker 1: it's not thin. It never went away, Like, no matter 398 00:17:12,744 --> 00:17:15,544 Speaker 1: what's been on Instagram feeds or billboards or in magazines, 399 00:17:16,024 --> 00:17:19,504 Speaker 1: society has always maintained this idea that thin is better 400 00:17:19,984 --> 00:17:23,344 Speaker 1: and living in a larger body is wrong. But because 401 00:17:23,464 --> 00:17:25,904 Speaker 1: of how pop culture is at the moment, and this 402 00:17:25,984 --> 00:17:28,424 Speaker 1: idea of like going back to skinniness and now like 403 00:17:28,464 --> 00:17:31,264 Speaker 1: we don't have to pretend to like care about people's 404 00:17:31,264 --> 00:17:32,984 Speaker 1: bodies because now you can take a drug and everything 405 00:17:33,024 --> 00:17:36,144 Speaker 1: will be fixed. And seeing so many really thin bodies 406 00:17:36,144 --> 00:17:38,544 Speaker 1: on the red carpet, and like all kind of body 407 00:17:38,584 --> 00:17:43,424 Speaker 1: diversity representation gone from magazines, from runway shows, from fashion labels, 408 00:17:43,824 --> 00:17:46,344 Speaker 1: from seeing curve ranges pulled off shelves. Like, we're in 409 00:17:46,424 --> 00:17:48,984 Speaker 1: kind of a really upsetting time at the moment. And 410 00:17:49,024 --> 00:17:51,544 Speaker 1: I think it's not all about Courtney Kardashian, Like it's 411 00:17:51,544 --> 00:17:54,184 Speaker 1: not tied to one person, but I do think it 412 00:17:54,184 --> 00:17:55,904 Speaker 1: feels like her company is trying to jump on this 413 00:17:56,024 --> 00:17:58,344 Speaker 1: idea of like here's a quick fix, and all that 414 00:17:58,424 --> 00:18:00,464 Speaker 1: kind of stuff that you've been seeing in the media 415 00:18:00,544 --> 00:18:02,384 Speaker 1: about thin being better is like, here's a way to 416 00:18:02,424 --> 00:18:05,184 Speaker 1: do it. And why I kind of find it disappointing 417 00:18:05,264 --> 00:18:07,224 Speaker 1: is that, like, not that any of the Kardashians have 418 00:18:07,304 --> 00:18:09,624 Speaker 1: ever been like body image advocates or anything like that. 419 00:18:10,064 --> 00:18:12,664 Speaker 1: Is for a while there, Courtney Kardashian was like not 420 00:18:12,664 --> 00:18:15,504 Speaker 1: getting plastic surgery. I'm gonna sort of eat what I want. 421 00:18:16,024 --> 00:18:17,944 Speaker 2: She was like the quote unquote normal one. 422 00:18:18,024 --> 00:18:19,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, she sort of seemed to be the one who 423 00:18:19,544 --> 00:18:24,504 Speaker 1: wasn't as fixated on this really warped perfection of beauty. 424 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:28,024 Speaker 1: And also it's kind of just taking me back to 425 00:18:28,024 --> 00:18:29,864 Speaker 1: the early days of the Kardashians when they were all 426 00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:33,584 Speaker 1: shilling all those weird skinny dieties, like because that was 427 00:18:33,664 --> 00:18:38,904 Speaker 1: one of their main business. Yeah, exactly exactly. They're like, 428 00:18:38,944 --> 00:18:40,464 Speaker 1: and Kim, you know, I was doing that as like 429 00:18:40,504 --> 00:18:43,224 Speaker 1: when I was sixteen. That's crazy because you saw people 430 00:18:43,264 --> 00:18:44,664 Speaker 1: like the Kardashians. 431 00:18:44,104 --> 00:18:45,904 Speaker 2: Do it, and that was around the time of like 432 00:18:45,904 --> 00:18:48,504 Speaker 2: the Kylie Lip Kit, like it was all happening with Kardashians. 433 00:18:48,624 --> 00:18:50,464 Speaker 2: What I find really interesting is like, similar to what 434 00:18:50,504 --> 00:18:52,424 Speaker 2: you touched on, is that she's done the opposite of 435 00:18:52,504 --> 00:18:57,464 Speaker 2: her sisters, like Kim and Chloe talk about wildly on 436 00:18:57,464 --> 00:19:00,824 Speaker 2: the Kardashian series about being skinny and looking skinny and 437 00:19:00,864 --> 00:19:03,064 Speaker 2: like the work they've had done, but their brands say 438 00:19:03,104 --> 00:19:05,824 Speaker 2: something different. And like with Kim and Skim, she does 439 00:19:05,904 --> 00:19:09,144 Speaker 2: have like plus size skims, similar with Chloe with True 440 00:19:09,144 --> 00:19:11,544 Speaker 2: American with her genes she do's how plas size jeens 441 00:19:11,744 --> 00:19:14,064 Speaker 2: and Courtney's on the opposite right, So she's like, oh, 442 00:19:14,104 --> 00:19:17,304 Speaker 2: I embraced this natural lifestyle and life. But with her 443 00:19:17,384 --> 00:19:20,624 Speaker 2: brand is it Push? That's like now in brand of Lemmy, 444 00:19:20,824 --> 00:19:22,344 Speaker 2: she's saying something completely different. 445 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:24,704 Speaker 1: She's like her webstyle that like when it came out 446 00:19:24,704 --> 00:19:26,184 Speaker 1: of everyone's like, oh, it's just a kind of like 447 00:19:26,264 --> 00:19:28,424 Speaker 1: a knockoup of goog kind of thing, which I mean, 448 00:19:28,504 --> 00:19:29,824 Speaker 1: I don't think that's completely true. 449 00:19:30,584 --> 00:19:32,304 Speaker 2: Paltrow on to be like, yeah, I love Push. 450 00:19:32,464 --> 00:19:35,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like that was a real moment in time, Yes, 451 00:19:35,544 --> 00:19:37,544 Speaker 1: and I think the way I mean again, it's weird 452 00:19:37,544 --> 00:19:40,304 Speaker 1: to think that, like when the Kardashians first became famous, 453 00:19:40,424 --> 00:19:42,504 Speaker 1: like this is well over twenty years ago, and this 454 00:19:42,584 --> 00:19:45,344 Speaker 1: is like mind boggling that they were seen as a 455 00:19:45,384 --> 00:19:49,984 Speaker 1: representation of body diversity. Do you remember this? But everyone 456 00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:52,224 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, they're like natural women. They 457 00:19:52,224 --> 00:19:55,064 Speaker 1: were all tiny. But obviously that was coming out of 458 00:19:55,064 --> 00:19:59,464 Speaker 1: a time where that real heroine chic, the absolute thinnest, 459 00:19:59,944 --> 00:20:02,544 Speaker 1: the best, was a very prominent in Hollywood and pop culture, 460 00:20:02,704 --> 00:20:05,984 Speaker 1: especially for like those early two thousands IT girls, and 461 00:20:06,064 --> 00:20:08,584 Speaker 1: so I guess potentially because they weren't like that, they 462 00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:10,744 Speaker 1: did look different, but there was such she kind of 463 00:20:10,784 --> 00:20:14,264 Speaker 1: celebration around look like, we're actually celebrating real women. And 464 00:20:14,304 --> 00:20:16,064 Speaker 1: I think over the years we look back on that 465 00:20:16,104 --> 00:20:17,664 Speaker 1: and realized that, I mean, first of all, there's no 466 00:20:17,664 --> 00:20:20,264 Speaker 1: such thing as a real woman, but also that they 467 00:20:20,344 --> 00:20:23,944 Speaker 1: weren't exactly the body diversity that we needed. But at 468 00:20:23,984 --> 00:20:26,264 Speaker 1: the time they did seem like that. And then they 469 00:20:26,264 --> 00:20:30,544 Speaker 1: were shilling all of these wild diet products. And then 470 00:20:30,624 --> 00:20:33,944 Speaker 1: they were like watching how pop culture and entertainment was changing, 471 00:20:34,264 --> 00:20:37,264 Speaker 1: and they stopped using that language and shilling those products. 472 00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:39,784 Speaker 1: But Kim Kardashian, I feel like, still really made it 473 00:20:39,904 --> 00:20:43,024 Speaker 1: the center of her branding because she would always kind 474 00:20:43,024 --> 00:20:45,304 Speaker 1: of be, you know, for events and things, talking about 475 00:20:45,664 --> 00:20:48,144 Speaker 1: getting her body to a particular size and what she 476 00:20:48,224 --> 00:20:50,304 Speaker 1: was doing and how she's ridiculed of her body as 477 00:20:50,344 --> 00:20:52,544 Speaker 1: a different size, and I feel like she's monetized that 478 00:20:52,624 --> 00:20:55,984 Speaker 1: even though her brand is inclusive, she's monetized the other 479 00:20:56,024 --> 00:20:56,504 Speaker 1: side of it. 480 00:20:56,624 --> 00:20:59,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, and even though they did change the shift of 481 00:20:59,704 --> 00:21:02,504 Speaker 2: like what beauty standards are in terms of bodies, they 482 00:21:02,544 --> 00:21:06,424 Speaker 2: still like change their bodies for the male gaze. Oh yeah, 483 00:21:06,504 --> 00:21:10,144 Speaker 2: it was still an appealing body to look at and yeah, 484 00:21:10,184 --> 00:21:12,504 Speaker 2: and then just watching them like trying to shift and 485 00:21:12,544 --> 00:21:15,544 Speaker 2: like be the leaders of that change is just really 486 00:21:15,624 --> 00:21:18,704 Speaker 2: creepy to me because you can see, like the people 487 00:21:18,744 --> 00:21:22,304 Speaker 2: sell jeans with like butt like paddings on them. Yeah, 488 00:21:22,384 --> 00:21:25,424 Speaker 2: and like came with her nipple bra. For me, when 489 00:21:25,424 --> 00:21:27,664 Speaker 2: I saw the nipple bra, it kind of like there's 490 00:21:27,704 --> 00:21:30,504 Speaker 2: this voice in my head that went, oh, so that's 491 00:21:30,544 --> 00:21:31,904 Speaker 2: what nipples I'm meant to look like? 492 00:21:32,144 --> 00:21:33,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm. 493 00:21:32,944 --> 00:21:35,224 Speaker 2: Like, that's crazy that I thought that, Like, it's crazy 494 00:21:35,264 --> 00:21:39,664 Speaker 2: that they do something so wild in the fashion industry 495 00:21:39,904 --> 00:21:42,144 Speaker 2: and then you immediately think, oh, that's the trend that 496 00:21:42,184 --> 00:21:43,144 Speaker 2: I now have to follow. 497 00:21:43,704 --> 00:21:45,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always an interesting thing with that because they do. 498 00:21:45,944 --> 00:21:47,544 Speaker 1: Like we when we cover the nipple bra on the 499 00:21:47,544 --> 00:21:49,064 Speaker 1: pot we were laughing about it because we're like, this 500 00:21:49,144 --> 00:21:52,224 Speaker 1: is funny and nipples are great, and yeah, I would 501 00:21:52,224 --> 00:21:53,664 Speaker 1: love to just try what on and see what it 502 00:21:53,664 --> 00:21:55,504 Speaker 1: looks like. Like That's the thing with the Kardashians is 503 00:21:55,544 --> 00:21:58,264 Speaker 1: sometimes because they're so over the top about it, it 504 00:21:58,304 --> 00:22:01,144 Speaker 1: does lead to these kind of light, funny conversations. But 505 00:22:01,184 --> 00:22:03,064 Speaker 1: then when I saw this come out with Courtney Kardashian, 506 00:22:03,144 --> 00:22:04,584 Speaker 1: I don't know, like not that I expected her to 507 00:22:04,584 --> 00:22:07,184 Speaker 1: be a beacon of body image or positivity or anything 508 00:22:07,224 --> 00:22:08,704 Speaker 1: like that. And also some of the hell stuff she 509 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:11,104 Speaker 1: says is wild, like she'll be like, go will kill you. 510 00:22:11,424 --> 00:22:14,024 Speaker 1: She has like radiation pads over the house, like no judgment, 511 00:22:14,064 --> 00:22:16,384 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. But it just kind of 512 00:22:16,384 --> 00:22:20,344 Speaker 1: felt like this particular thing is like tapping into something 513 00:22:20,384 --> 00:22:22,024 Speaker 1: that people are feeling at the moment. They're like like, 514 00:22:22,024 --> 00:22:25,024 Speaker 1: oh my god, all of a sudden, it's become like 515 00:22:25,064 --> 00:22:26,784 Speaker 1: this idea that bodies go in and out of fashion, 516 00:22:26,824 --> 00:22:29,424 Speaker 1: which is ridiculous, but now it feels like thin bodies 517 00:22:29,424 --> 00:22:32,104 Speaker 1: are back in and people are getting really worried about that, 518 00:22:32,424 --> 00:22:35,384 Speaker 1: And it's tapping into this insecurity of like maybe I 519 00:22:35,384 --> 00:22:38,064 Speaker 1: could just go buy these things that Courtney Kardashians selling me. 520 00:22:38,064 --> 00:22:39,544 Speaker 1: But I could just buy these gummies and I could 521 00:22:39,584 --> 00:22:42,064 Speaker 1: chew them, and they're going to do all these things 522 00:22:42,064 --> 00:22:44,144 Speaker 1: on the packet with like my body that they're promising 523 00:22:44,144 --> 00:22:45,544 Speaker 1: it's going to fix my life, and then I'm going 524 00:22:45,584 --> 00:22:47,224 Speaker 1: to look how people think I should look, and then 525 00:22:47,264 --> 00:22:48,944 Speaker 1: I can at least shut that noise out and like 526 00:22:48,984 --> 00:22:50,744 Speaker 1: go on with my life kind of thing. I think 527 00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:53,424 Speaker 1: it's tapping into that. So again, it's not about Courtney 528 00:22:53,504 --> 00:22:56,624 Speaker 1: Kardashian being the like she's not causing this, but she's 529 00:22:56,704 --> 00:22:59,544 Speaker 1: just jumping in to monetize it, which I feel is 530 00:22:59,624 --> 00:23:01,424 Speaker 1: quite disappointing from her, is what I'll say. 531 00:23:01,424 --> 00:23:03,504 Speaker 2: On Matt, thank you so much for listening to the 532 00:23:03,504 --> 00:23:05,944 Speaker 2: Spill today. If you're looking for something else to listen to, 533 00:23:06,064 --> 00:23:09,184 Speaker 2: why don't check out our beauty podcast called You Beauty. 534 00:23:09,544 --> 00:23:12,024 Speaker 2: On Wednesday, I jump behind the mic with Aaron Dougherty 535 00:23:12,184 --> 00:23:15,344 Speaker 2: to test and try viral hacks and weird products so 536 00:23:15,504 --> 00:23:18,984 Speaker 2: you don't have to. We dropped our first episode on Wednesday. 537 00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:22,024 Speaker 2: It is absolutely hilarious. Aeron is trialing whether my cellar 538 00:23:22,104 --> 00:23:24,984 Speaker 2: water can clean your hair better than dry shampoo, and 539 00:23:25,144 --> 00:23:28,624 Speaker 2: I am testing the boyfriend blush trend, which spoiler alert, 540 00:23:28,704 --> 00:23:31,184 Speaker 2: it actually works. We'll put a link to that episode 541 00:23:31,224 --> 00:23:33,584 Speaker 2: in our show notes. A big thank you to our team. 542 00:23:33,664 --> 00:23:35,984 Speaker 2: The producer of the Spill is Kimberly Bradish and our 543 00:23:36,024 --> 00:23:38,664 Speaker 2: audio producer is Scott Stronik. We will be back here 544 00:23:38,664 --> 00:23:40,704 Speaker 2: in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 545 00:23:40,744 --> 00:23:47,224 Speaker 1: Bye bye