WEBVTT - My Son and I Shared a Womb

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<v Speaker 1>We acknowledged the traditional custodians of the land we're recording

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<v Speaker 1>on today.

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<v Speaker 2>I started asking for my mom and my husband and

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<v Speaker 2>they said no, this is a life saving hysterectomy, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said okay, and that's when they said, we'll put

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<v Speaker 2>you to sleep now. So then I went to sleep

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<v Speaker 2>and woke up in the ICU forty eight hours later.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome back to Eat Sleep, Shit, Repeat, your

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<v Speaker 1>unhinged podcast all about the madness that is motherhood and

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<v Speaker 1>everything in between.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Kyri Souls, I'm Kelly McCarron and in case you

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<v Speaker 3>missed last week's episode, we talked toddlers and bullying, what

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<v Speaker 3>happens when you've got the bad kid and should we

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<v Speaker 3>be worried?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and thank you so much to the shitters for

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<v Speaker 1>sharing their experiences and our dms. It made us have

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<v Speaker 1>a we chuckle and feel a lot. Seen on the show. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking to a lovely shitter, Kirsty, who was Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>first uterus transplant recipient. Her mum, Michelle, was her donor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fascinating story and one that we are so

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<v Speaker 1>so excited to share far and wide. Modern medicine is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of amazing, and we also get into the emotional

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<v Speaker 1>side of doing something so groundbreaking.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I'm so excited for this to be going live

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<v Speaker 3>because everyone I've told about this conversation afterwards was like

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<v Speaker 3>what yeah, yeah, I spent my whole summer holidays being.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we are interviewing Kirsty the first and they were like.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>A little reminder, because we have pre recorded this before

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<v Speaker 3>the bearbit arrives, we aren't doing Pecan Pit as we

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<v Speaker 3>thought they could age quite badly, but don't worry. It

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<v Speaker 3>will be back as soon as we're back to our

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<v Speaker 3>regular recording schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, let's get into it. So we first heard

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<v Speaker 1>from Kirsty after Cal asked you the shit is for

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<v Speaker 1>your amazing stories, and well this one truly takes the cake.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kirsty responded saying, Hi, ladies, love the pod. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Kirsty and I was Australia's first uterus transplant recipient.

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<v Speaker 1>My mum, Michelle was my donor. The transplant surgery was

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<v Speaker 1>successful and I was able to carry another child. That

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<v Speaker 1>child is my son, Hena, who turned one in December.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to share my story of secondary and

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<v Speaker 1>fertility and the uterus transplant clinical trial. We could not

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<v Speaker 1>be more excited to talk to Kirsty today and share

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<v Speaker 1>her story with our lovely community here. She is well welcome, Kirsty.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us a little bit about yourself, where

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<v Speaker 1>you live, who lives with you, and what keeps you busy?

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>I live on the mid north coast of New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>I live with my husband Nicholas and our two children,

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter who's three and a half, Violet, and my

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<v Speaker 2>son Henry, and he is one.

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<v Speaker 3>So talk us through your journey of deciding to have

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<v Speaker 3>kids and what your fertility journey looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>My husband and I we got engaged, we got married,

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<v Speaker 2>than that little thing COVID sort of ruined our plans

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<v Speaker 2>of going on a honeymoon, and we had a chat

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of said, well, if we're not going on holidays,

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<v Speaker 2>we always want children.

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<v Speaker 5>But we hadn't, you know, actively tried.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, oh, look it could take you know,

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<v Speaker 2>six or twelve months, we should just start trying for

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<v Speaker 2>a baby. And that next month I did a pregnancy

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<v Speaker 2>test and we were pregnant. I lost that pregnancy early

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<v Speaker 2>on and went back to my GP, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, have a natural period and then when you're ready,

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<v Speaker 2>you can try again. So I had a period, and

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<v Speaker 2>then that next month we tried again. We fell pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>with Violet. I was referred to the MGP program, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the Midway Free group practice. So I had some

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<v Speaker 2>lovely midwives a fairly easy pregnancy. I was still working,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when I went into labor, Violet was posterior,

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<v Speaker 2>so her spine to my spine, and I was getting

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<v Speaker 2>really dreadful back pain. I had been into the hospit

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<v Speaker 2>and seeing the midwives and it was confirmed she was posterior.

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<v Speaker 2>We were given like a sheet of very wonderful stretches

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<v Speaker 2>and positions to get into to relieve pain, but also

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<v Speaker 2>to see if Violet would flip around. She did not

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<v Speaker 2>do that, and then I labored a little bit longer

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<v Speaker 2>at home, got to seven centimeters, went to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>got the feeling that I needed to push, got to

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<v Speaker 2>ten centimeters, started pushing, and then instead of Violet tucking

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<v Speaker 2>her chin to her chest, she went the other way

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<v Speaker 2>and tried to come out eyeballs first.

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<v Speaker 5>So she was very lost. She had no idea what

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<v Speaker 5>she was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>The poor thing so that also stopped the doctors being

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<v Speaker 2>able to use sort of any interventions I.

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<v Speaker 5>Force its or suction.

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<v Speaker 2>So then I went in for an emergency cesarean. Violet

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<v Speaker 2>was born a little after one o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was happy and healthy and crying, and I

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<v Speaker 2>got to give her a little kiss, and then my

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<v Speaker 2>midwife and my husband went down to the birthing floor

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<v Speaker 2>maternity and it was whilst I was still in the

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<v Speaker 2>bed the surgery plank that I had a postpartum hemorrhage

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<v Speaker 2>and I lost eleven liters of blood, so that was

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<v Speaker 2>my body's volumed twice over and they had to perform

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<v Speaker 2>a life saving hystery to me.

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<v Speaker 5>Basically, oh wow, were you awake? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the first thing I realized that alerted everyone to

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<v Speaker 2>the issue was I was getting pain in my back,

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<v Speaker 2>which obviously I'd had an epidural, I shouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 2>to feel pain. And then I started vomiting ferociously, and

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<v Speaker 2>basically because I was losing my blood, I became hypoxic,

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't have enough oxygen traveling around my body.

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<v Speaker 5>But yes, I was awake.

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<v Speaker 2>And then basically, once it was an emergency sort of

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<v Speaker 2>everyone started coming back in and they were getting more

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<v Speaker 2>teams of people and basically they lowered the curtain and

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<v Speaker 2>just said, no, we need to do a hysterect to me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said no, and I started asking for my

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<v Speaker 2>mum and my husband and they said no, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a life saving hysterect to me, and I said okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when because the anethetist, you know how they

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<v Speaker 2>sort of stayed behind your head and yeah, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>looking over.

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<v Speaker 5>The top of you. They said, we'll put you to

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<v Speaker 5>sleep now.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, then I went to sleep and woke up

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<v Speaker 2>in the ICU forty eight hours later.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you go to sleep thinking, oh my god, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to die like that is horrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to sleep thinking, goodness, me put me to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't yea, yeah, listen to this anymore. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it was really bad, but there was just

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<v Speaker 2>something innately in me that I knew I was fighting

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<v Speaker 2>and I just wanted to meet my baby.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, the second I.

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<v Speaker 2>Woke up, the nurse came in and she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>go get your husband. And I was in the ICU,

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<v Speaker 2>so they were on maternity, so they brought Violet in

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<v Speaker 2>with the little bassinett on wheels, and because I'd lost

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<v Speaker 2>so much blood, I was a little bit woozy, And

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<v Speaker 2>because I was with the MGP and I was really

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<v Speaker 2>clear with my birth plan that I wanted to breastfeed,

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<v Speaker 2>the midwives had actually been milking my breasts and feeding

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<v Speaker 2>Violet the colostrum.

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<v Speaker 4>The midwives are the best people.

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<v Speaker 5>They're phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, they're just above and beyond obviously trying to

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<v Speaker 2>one create that connection with me, but also yet trying

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<v Speaker 2>to feel that wish of mine of wanting to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to breastfeed. And Yeah, to be honest, when I

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<v Speaker 2>woke up, I knew what had happened. I remembered everything

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<v Speaker 2>that had happened. I remembered that they told me that

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to have a hysterectomy. In my head,

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<v Speaker 2>I assumed that they only took my uterus. That was

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed by doctors and nurses pretty much straight away. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just your uterus. You still have your ovaries.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you've lost your uterus but kept everything else,

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<v Speaker 3>you won't go through menopause correct, correct, very crept.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And in my head, I wasn't even thinking about menopause.

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<v Speaker 5>I was thinking oh.

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<v Speaker 4>My god, with my brain, I'm like, not menopause. That's awful.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got a new one end of going through menopause.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that obviously is something you would have to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me immediately, while it was my first baby,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I wanted to have a gaggle of children,

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<v Speaker 2>like I wanted to have more children. So as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as I heard that I had my ovaries, I was like, okay, ding, ding,

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<v Speaker 2>I can have more biological children. So pretty much, once

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<v Speaker 2>we got back down to maternity and I got out

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<v Speaker 2>of ICU, they started talking to me about sarrogacy. Like

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<v Speaker 2>the midwife started saying, when you're ready, we can talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you about sarrogacy. We have policies at our hospital

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<v Speaker 2>that you could birth here with the midwife.

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<v Speaker 5>So they were very open and honest.

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<v Speaker 2>It was maybe a little bit too soon, but I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it because again they knew my wishes. I had

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<v Speaker 2>made it very clear that I wanted to have more children.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean I appreciated the conversations.

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<v Speaker 3>When they were talking to you, Did they tell you why,

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<v Speaker 3>like what had happened?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And no, So yes, we knew that i'd had at

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<v Speaker 2>this massive bleed. But they ended up doing like an

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<v Speaker 2>RCA report, which is just like a report of everything

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<v Speaker 2>that went wrong, and we were able to do a

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<v Speaker 2>debrief with the hospital and that was probably when we

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<v Speaker 2>got more idea of exactly what went down and what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically, my uterus just didn't contract because there was

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<v Speaker 2>just so much pressure and I'd been pushing for so long,

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<v Speaker 2>and they think again that was because of Violet being posterior,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just had a massive postpartum hemorrhage.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've woken up and ice you, they've taken you

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<v Speaker 1>back down. You know, you're with your Harvey, with baby.

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<v Speaker 1>You've taken all this information and you're really thankful for

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<v Speaker 1>the life saving surgery. You've got your baby. But was

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<v Speaker 1>there a period of mourning or did that come kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like at a later stage, like what was your

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<v Speaker 1>I guess your mental state.

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<v Speaker 2>Like behind closed door, I was a wreck, but I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely can see now with hindsight, like my daughter was

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<v Speaker 2>born in April twenty twenty one hindsight, I was definitely fawning.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely didn't want to be a pain. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be a terrible patient. I think I just wanted.

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted just to be a normal mum.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, yeah, I definitely think I was fawning a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit and a little bit later on, like there

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<v Speaker 2>was just lots of appointments, lots of follow ups. I

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<v Speaker 2>had to see GPS, and then I had to see

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to call it. Like, there was just a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things happening. I definitely was a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>worried that if I showed any weak not weakness, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is just what I was thinking in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want anyone to take away my baby, so

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<v Speaker 2>I need to put my best foot forward and pretend

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<v Speaker 2>like everything's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's such a normal reaction because you've just

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<v Speaker 1>like you've had your baby taken away already, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you had that degree of separation from her. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I just ask you, though, what was the recovery like,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I'm just thinking you've had a Caesar, but

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<v Speaker 1>then you've also had a hysterectomy.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, And I also had a stent placed in one

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<v Speaker 2>of my urytors because when they did the hysterectomy, they

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<v Speaker 2>caught my urrota in a suture, so I'd had a

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<v Speaker 2>stent place, which meant that when I was six weeks

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<v Speaker 2>postparted and they wanted me to have day surgery to

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<v Speaker 2>have the stent removed. Oh wow, I mean Touchwood. I

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<v Speaker 2>can laugh about it now. At Touchwood, everything was fine.

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<v Speaker 2>My urrotor is fine, I can use the bathroom. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just very traumatizing having to go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>hospital so soon after, and I was again stressed about

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<v Speaker 2>breastfeeding and having a general anesthetic and being away from

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<v Speaker 2>my baby.

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<v Speaker 5>But everything was okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a very my husband's very hands on obviously

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<v Speaker 2>because I needed lots and lots of help, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>got lots of family that lives very close by, so

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<v Speaker 2>I have been really supported.

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<v Speaker 5>But I could pick Violet up. That was my limit.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was allowed to pick baby up, but basically

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't push the prem. I couldn't take the prem

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<v Speaker 2>in and out of the car. So basically I did

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<v Speaker 2>nothing for the first six weeks. I just stayed at

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<v Speaker 2>home and stayed with Violet, and whilst my husband was home,

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<v Speaker 2>we did go down to like the local.

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<v Speaker 5>Coffee shop and have a coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically I just stayed in that baby bubble and

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<v Speaker 2>I just stayed home where I felt really safe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean overall, now I've had lots of surgeries.

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<v Speaker 2>My sea section, the first my sea section with the

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<v Speaker 2>historic to me, it wasn't really that painful uncomfortable, definitely, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but by the time I have.

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<v Speaker 1>A reference to a lot more invasive.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, and I mean my sea section was a traditional

0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.320
<v Speaker 2>sea section, so like hip to hip, whereas my uterus

0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.520
<v Speaker 2>transplant was up and down, so it went from my belly.

0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:49.199
<v Speaker 5>Button to my pelvis.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was incredibly painful and incredibly hard because they

0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.800
<v Speaker 2>cut through all of your muscle, so I had like

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<v Speaker 2>no stomach muscles, whereas after my cesarean and my first systectomy,

0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I felt weak. And I think, I mean, I assume

0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.199
<v Speaker 2>you both remember that feeling of your tummy like contracting

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<v Speaker 2>back after having like your baby growing in there. You

0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.360
<v Speaker 2>have that really like jelly loose jelly sensation. So yeah,

0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I had a little obviously that but that's very you know,

0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.400
<v Speaker 2>normal postpartum jelly belly feeling.

0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.320
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, it was just a bit slow and yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that easy.

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<v Speaker 1>So then how long after because obviously you've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>like lots of follow up, which of course it would

0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.200
<v Speaker 1>be and then you've had to also have that day surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>How long after Violet's birth did the opportunity to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the uterus transplant clinical trial come up?

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<v Speaker 2>So Violet was six months old and she had gone

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<v Speaker 2>down for a sleep, and I had been just furiously

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<v Speaker 2>researching my options. Both my mum and my sister in

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<v Speaker 2>law had pretty much straightaway offered to be surrogates if

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<v Speaker 2>and when I wanted to have more children. But after

0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.480
<v Speaker 2>my birthing experience, I think I was just really worried

0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:16.760
<v Speaker 2>about putting people that I love in that situation. The

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<v Speaker 2>thought of losing my mum or my sister in law,

0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.080
<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was too big of a risk.

0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.240
<v Speaker 2>My sister in law had birth both my niece and

0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.760
<v Speaker 2>my nephew like a champion. She's amazing birth just agrees

0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:31.480
<v Speaker 2>with her. She had these really incredible birthing experiences. My

0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.080
<v Speaker 2>mom was the same. She was very young, fit and healthy,

0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and she had two vaginal births.

0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:36.160
<v Speaker 5>Good on her.

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<v Speaker 2>But so yeah, they both offered to be surrogates if

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<v Speaker 2>and when we chose to have more children. But I

0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.840
<v Speaker 2>just really really had this urge that I wanted to

0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.840
<v Speaker 2>be pregnant again, even though I had no uterus, so

0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I had nowhere to have that baby. I just thought

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<v Speaker 2>to myself, like, we do heart transplants, we do lung transplants,

0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Like why on Earth can't we do a uterus transplant?

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<v Speaker 5>Like why can't I have the organ that was removed replaced?

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<v Speaker 4>It was actually you that came up with the idea,

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<v Speaker 4>is it them?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I jumped on the internet, as you do, and I

0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.320
<v Speaker 2>was in a couple of Facebook groups, but nothing was

0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.920
<v Speaker 2>proving fruitful. But I basically just found the website for

0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.840
<v Speaker 2>the clinical trial. It looked old, it looked like it

0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.560
<v Speaker 2>hadn't been updated. There wasn't any new information on there.

0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.000
<v Speaker 2>And I just found an email address and that email

0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.680
<v Speaker 2>address went to Yana Pittman. So doctor Jana Pittman. So

0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.520
<v Speaker 2>I shot off an email. She replied pretty much straight

0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.200
<v Speaker 2>away with the requirements to be accepted into the clinical trial.

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<v Speaker 5>So I got off the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I rang my mum and I said, hey, Mom, like, hypothetically,

0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.080
<v Speaker 2>if you could have a hysterectomy and I could have

0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.520
<v Speaker 2>your uterus and have another baby, would you do it?

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<v Speaker 5>And she said where?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said Sydney, And she said, oh, okay, I'll

0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.240
<v Speaker 2>talk to your dad, But yeah, that sounds fine, and

0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, bye, hung up from her.

0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.920
<v Speaker 3>And Mary, God, how old is your mum or was

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<v Speaker 3>your mum at the time?

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<v Speaker 5>Fifty?

0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:09.840
<v Speaker 4>She's a young mum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my mom was in early twenties when she had

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<v Speaker 2>me and was married and mum was yet. So my

0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.760
<v Speaker 2>mum and I are really good friends, like we talk

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<v Speaker 2>most mornings, and we were still talking about, you know,

0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.560
<v Speaker 2>getting periods and stuff. So I knew Mom still got

0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.960
<v Speaker 2>a period. I just needed to know if I could

0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:26.400
<v Speaker 2>have her uterus.

0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.960
<v Speaker 3>She still got a period of fifty that also, that

0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.360
<v Speaker 3>poor woman. Isn't part of the thing about getting older

0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.040
<v Speaker 3>that you don't get your period anymore?

0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, she was perry, okay, but she was still getting

0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.240
<v Speaker 2>a period, and that's all I really.

0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:41.800
<v Speaker 5>Well, sorry, Mom, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about this is so transactional, but I mean it

0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.280
<v Speaker 2>does really sound like I was just asking it out

0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.400
<v Speaker 2>for lunch. But yes, I did ask her for an

0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.040
<v Speaker 2>organ in like a two minute phone call while she

0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:51.760
<v Speaker 2>was at work.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys would have been talking since that you had

0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.560
<v Speaker 1>your hysterectomy, and she would have known, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she knew my desires and she's already offered up parrogacy,

0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.520
<v Speaker 2>so correct, So you're just asking, okay, Mom, but we

0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:04.080
<v Speaker 2>just you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, you put it into me.

0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Also, I think with people you love, you kind of

0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.080
<v Speaker 3>can be a little bit more open with people like

0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.359
<v Speaker 3>I literally just dropped into conversation one day when I

0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:15.800
<v Speaker 3>was talking to my girlfriend on the phone, which was

0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.680
<v Speaker 3>about her fertility stuff that she's going through. I was like, oh,

0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:21.600
<v Speaker 3>and just so you know, you don't have to be

0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.359
<v Speaker 3>weird about it or anything, but I've got lots of

0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:24.440
<v Speaker 3>eggs if you'd like any.

0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:26.679
<v Speaker 4>And she's kind of like, what, But I'm like, I

0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:27.000
<v Speaker 4>don't know.

0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.159
<v Speaker 3>With friends, you kind of and people you love that

0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.240
<v Speaker 3>our family, you just can kind of be like by

0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:31.800
<v Speaker 3>the way, you know.

0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:32.639
<v Speaker 5>But Kelly you are.

0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say we're super similar, but we're direct and correct.

0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, no time to fuck around.

0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.359
<v Speaker 2>There's no beating not with fertility. We do not have

0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:43.240
<v Speaker 2>time to mic around.

0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:44.439
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, exactly.

0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.159
<v Speaker 2>And especially because like you said, Mum and I had

0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.719
<v Speaker 2>had been having these conversations, she knew how much I

0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.920
<v Speaker 2>did want another child. I did want to have them

0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:58.439
<v Speaker 2>in my mind close ish together. So to be a

0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.919
<v Speaker 2>part of the clinical trial at the Royal women's You

0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.720
<v Speaker 2>needed to bring a donor, so my mum was my donor.

0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm the recipient. We obviously had to do lots of

0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.239
<v Speaker 2>tests before we went to Sydney, but we did like

0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.959
<v Speaker 2>blood tests, ultrasounds, like pretty i want to say, basic,

0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:19.520
<v Speaker 2>pretty basic tests. The big big one that was we

0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.800
<v Speaker 2>were all holding our breath was obviously the tissue matching.

0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.199
<v Speaker 2>So because it's an organ transplant, my body needed to

0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.320
<v Speaker 2>be able to accept mum's uterus and we are a

0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.720
<v Speaker 2>blood type match. But just because your family like mother

0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.680
<v Speaker 2>and daughter, doesn't mean you'll be tissue matches. But we

0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.960
<v Speaker 2>were so once we got that tissue match result, I

0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.600
<v Speaker 2>still didn't know how many people were also doing the

0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.199
<v Speaker 2>same things we were. But in my head I was like,

0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.520
<v Speaker 2>just as long as it happens, I'll be happy. And

0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:53.840
<v Speaker 2>then it basically was just before Christmas twenty twenty three.

0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I had a conversation with Yanner and she said, if

0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.960
<v Speaker 2>you come to Sydney, and there was a few psychological

0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.280
<v Speaker 2>appointments we all needed to go through, so me, my mum,

0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.320
<v Speaker 2>my husband, and my dad because obviously it affects them

0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.360
<v Speaker 2>as well, and being a clinical trial, they're collecting lots

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.600
<v Speaker 2>of information so this can obviously, hopefully one day go

0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:17.359
<v Speaker 2>on to be an option for people for women. And yeah,

0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.119
<v Speaker 2>we went to Sydney and we sat down with doctor

0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Rebecca Dean's and she was head of the program, and

0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.320
<v Speaker 2>she said, could you guys potentially be here on the

0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:31.399
<v Speaker 2>tenth of January And this was like the week before Christmas.

0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.480
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, oh my gosh.

0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.720
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I had to obviously have that conversation

0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:38.800
<v Speaker 2>with Mum because in our head we thought it was

0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.240
<v Speaker 2>going to happen in March, and that was obviously bringing

0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the timeline forward. But Mum basically said, the sooner you

0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.080
<v Speaker 2>have this uterus transplant, the sooner you can.

0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.360
<v Speaker 5>Have a baby. So yeah, let's let's do it.

0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's when I basically realized we were going to

0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:52.000
<v Speaker 2>be the first in Australia.

0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.600
<v Speaker 4>So it was a clinical trial in Australia.

0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:56.359
<v Speaker 3>You guys were going to be the first, but it

0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.920
<v Speaker 3>was it had been done successfully in other countries, correct.

0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.600
<v Speaker 2>So we follow the protocol we follow is from Sweden

0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:08.480
<v Speaker 2>from doctor MATTX Branstrom. He is a Swedish gynocologist and

0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 2>he was in Australia in South Australia actually about fifteen

0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.880
<v Speaker 2>years ago, and he was finishing some of his study

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.679
<v Speaker 2>here and he was working with women in oncology, so

0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.000
<v Speaker 2>women that were losing their uteruses due to cancer treatment.

0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.040
<v Speaker 2>And it was actually a young woman, I hope I'm

0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.240
<v Speaker 2>not mincing his story, but it was a young woman

0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I think she was really early twenties who was going

0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.760
<v Speaker 2>to have to have a hysterectomy and she said to him,

0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.480
<v Speaker 2>why can't I have a uterus transplant? And he basically

0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.119
<v Speaker 2>laughed in her face and said, we don't do uterus transplants.

0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 2>And then when he finished up his study in Australia,

0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.400
<v Speaker 2>he went back to Sweden and he just had been

0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.239
<v Speaker 2>mulling it over and was like, actually, why can't we

0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 2>do transplants uterus transplants. So he basically started his planning

0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.120
<v Speaker 2>and basically got it off the ground. So he did

0:20:56.160 --> 0:21:00.560
<v Speaker 2>animal studies and the ethical approval and the year they

0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.960
<v Speaker 2>actually just celebrated, so the first baby ever born with

0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 2>a uterus transplant was done in Sweden and that little

0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.560
<v Speaker 2>boy turned ten like a month ago.

0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh wow.

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.600
<v Speaker 2>So doctor Matt Branstrom actually came back to Australia and

0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.720
<v Speaker 2>did my surgery. The doctors that the Royal filmed it

0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:18.679
<v Speaker 2>so that they could then go on to use that

0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.159
<v Speaker 2>as like a learning video.

0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:26.200
<v Speaker 3>That is like how incredible that you and your family

0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:31.680
<v Speaker 3>are part of history history you are medical marvels and

0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 3>like history is going to be written on this and

0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.800
<v Speaker 3>like science books and like it's so cool.

0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:43.560
<v Speaker 2>It's incredibly cool, especially because if the women in Sweden

0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't put their hands up to be the first, then

0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be in this position as well. So those

0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 2>women paved the way for me to be able to

0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:55.119
<v Speaker 2>then have a clinical trial in Australia. So when people

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 2>ask me, like you were the first, it's so risky.

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, they told you it might not work, and

0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:01.919
<v Speaker 2>if it didn't work, then you know, you wouldn't have

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.600
<v Speaker 2>your mum's uterus to then have, you know, for syrucusy

0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and things like that. But in my mind, I was like,

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.600
<v Speaker 2>if we don't try, like it's always a no, Like

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.399
<v Speaker 2>I have to give this a go. And I really

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.560
<v Speaker 2>did want to carry another pregnancy. I wanted to carry

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:16.920
<v Speaker 2>another baby in my belly.

0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.719
<v Speaker 3>What were the chances of it being successful? Like did

0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:20.679
<v Speaker 3>they give you the odds?

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:26.600
<v Speaker 2>They did, I don't really remember them now, but basically

0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.600
<v Speaker 2>they were just worried obviously about bleeding again. So after

0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.240
<v Speaker 2>all the issues with bleeding, we did lots and lots

0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.359
<v Speaker 2>of tests and basically they came up with no, I

0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.200
<v Speaker 2>don't have any bleeding disorders, because obviously they were a

0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 2>little bit worried, but they took my history into consideration

0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 2>and they just were so meticulously planned, and they did

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.680
<v Speaker 2>a run through the day before with all the doctors

0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:52.200
<v Speaker 2>and surgeons and instruments because obviously they needed special instruments.

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.760
<v Speaker 2>And it's incredible it was still to this day, doctor

0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Matt's Branstrom actually came back from Sweden when Henry was born.

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm jumping ahead, but yeah, so it's incredible that he

0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 2>was there on the day like he performed my surgery,

0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and then he also was there the day that Henry

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:08.760
<v Speaker 2>was born.

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.360
<v Speaker 3>So the day of the surgery, walk us through, how

0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:17.919
<v Speaker 3>are you feeling, how was your mom feeling?

0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 4>What was the process?

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Yep, So we went to hospital the day prior, so

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.760
<v Speaker 2>we had some blood tests and some final things to do.

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 2>We stayed in the hospital overnight and then we woke

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 2>up that morning and Mom and I were staying in

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:31.840
<v Speaker 2>a room together.

0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:35.199
<v Speaker 5>So that was so lovely. Loved that our beds were

0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 5>like opposite.

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Each other, so we could just smile at each other

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:39.359
<v Speaker 2>from like across our beds.

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I would have been so comforting to be doing it together.

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I couldn't have done it without my mom.

0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:48.199
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't. Like, I love my husband and I

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.639
<v Speaker 2>love my dad, and they're amazing men, but I couldn't

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 2>have done this without my mom.

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>She sounds amazing.

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 2>She knew, yeah, how much I wanted to be a

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.200
<v Speaker 2>mum and how much I wanted to give Violet a sibling,

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:03.400
<v Speaker 2>and she made that sacrifice, and yeah, she had the hysterectomy.

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 2>So the morning of we wake up, they wake us

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 2>up at five point thirty. I was allowed to have

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 2>a light breakfast. Mum wasn't allowed to have anything because

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 2>she was going into surgery straight away. But when I

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 2>woke up, I immediately jumped out of bed and I

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 2>jumped in her bed, and we just laid in bed

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 2>in our hospital beds together, and then one of the

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.399
<v Speaker 2>beautiful nurses came in and said, okay, Michelle, go have

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 2>a shower, wash yourself down with this very special soap.

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.199
<v Speaker 2>And then Mum came out we put the gown, the

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 2>surgical gown on her, and then Yanna came up and said,

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.680
<v Speaker 2>we're ready for you. We're ready for your mum. So

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Mum went down first, which was so hard. So they

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 2>wanted to obviously be able to get Mum's uterus out

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and then they flushed it before they put me under

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.239
<v Speaker 2>general anesthetic because obviously her surgery in itself was going

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 2>to take a long time. So I was awake and

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 2>just waiting for mum, like waiting for news. So Mum

0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 2>went in at about six thirty seven clock in the morning,

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 2>and then I didn't go in on a general anesthetic

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>until just after lunch, and then I woke up seven

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:10.919
<v Speaker 2>six seven hours later in recovery.

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Had you heard anything about your mum before you went under?

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So basically they came up and I can't remember

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 2>if it was Yana that told us, but someone was

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:26.199
<v Speaker 2>basically like, they're flushing the uterus. Your mom's barely bled,

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 2>like she's doing so wonderfully. Everything's looking great. We're really

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:33.719
<v Speaker 2>really happy with how the surgery's going. The surgeons are

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:35.680
<v Speaker 2>having a break and you're going to get put under

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 2>general anesthetics. So they took me down, I went into

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 2>the anesthetic. They had all the nurses there were all

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.080
<v Speaker 2>chatting away. They put me to sleep, and then we

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.160
<v Speaker 2>got wheeled next to each other and then they basically

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 2>start my surgery from there.

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that is just so incredible. I love that

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you're a detailed person because I want to know every

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>single detail.

0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, so what they did, so a normal hystorict me

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:04.360
<v Speaker 2>is just they take your uterus basically, and it just depends,

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.679
<v Speaker 2>like sometimes they take the cervix, sometimes they take the

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 2>filopian tubes.

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:10.119
<v Speaker 5>Generally, they tried to.

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Leave the ovaries to stop you from going into medical menopause.

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>So it really just depends why you're having a hysterectomy.

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 2>So with Mum, they left one ovary for her and

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 2>they took the filopian tubes. They took her uterus and

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>her cervix, so I actually had Mum's uterus en cervix.

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 5>Oh wow.

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>But they had to remove my cervix. So when I

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 2>had my surgery, I just had the uterus removed. So

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>when I had my uterus transplant, they removed my cervix

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 2>as well.

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 5>But I mean it's a much in a muchness. It

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 5>didn't matter.

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>And because your mum kept one of her ovaries. It

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>meant that she wasn't going like, it wasn't speeding up her.

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.919
<v Speaker 2>Correct so she was ari in perimenopause. So I'll go

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 2>back to a tiny bit. I wake up in recovery.

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.479
<v Speaker 2>I look at Mum. She gives me a thumbs up,

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:59.959
<v Speaker 2>closes her eyes, and basically doctor Matt Branstrom and doctor

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Rebecca Dean's are at the end of my bed and

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>they're just talking away and I'm thinking, oh my gosh,

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm so tired, Like, just tell me it worked. And

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 2>doctor Dean's was like, oh, yes, you have a uterress

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 2>it worked. And then I basically just closed my eyes.

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I am so tired. And by this

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 2>stage it's like midnight. And then eventually they roll us

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 2>back down to our rooms and Mum and I are

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>in our rooms.

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 5>Together and I see my husband.

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I give my husband a kiss, my dad gives Mom

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>a kiss, and then we're like, yep, see in the morning.

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was successful. I stayed in hospital for

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 2>seven days and then I was discharged, but Mum's stayed

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 2>in hospital for ten days. Mom's bladder took a long

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 2>time to wake up, so when they're doing a hystereipty,

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 2>like everything's very compact down in your pelvest, and they

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.879
<v Speaker 2>did have to move around the bladder, so Mum's bladder

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 2>was asleep, that's what they call it. Basically, her blooder

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 2>wasn't working, her bladder forgot to do what it needed

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to do. So Mum's stayed in hospital a little bit

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 2>and then she did go on to have issues with

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:07.199
<v Speaker 2>her bladder. But at the twelve month mark, all of

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, Mom just started waking up in the morning.

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>So the issue Mum was having was she didn't have

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.439
<v Speaker 2>the feeling that she needed to go, so she couldn't

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>tell when she needed to go. If she said an

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 2>alarm on her phone for every three hours, obviously she

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, Oh, I need to go to the toilet.

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 2>But if she didn't have that alarm, she did wasn't

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 2>getting the sensation.

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 5>That she needed to wei right.

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 2>But literally twelve months, almost to the week, Mom started

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>getting that sensation back, so she'd wake up in the

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:37.199
<v Speaker 2>morning and she said she'd just be like, oh, I

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 2>need to use the bathroom, and then she actually didn't

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 2>tell me for a couple of days, and then one

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 2>morning Mum was driving to work. That's usually when she

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 2>calls me, and she said to me, I didn't want

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to tell you, and I thought she was going to

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 2>tell me something I don't know, something bad, and I

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>was like yeah, and she was like, I've got the

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 2>sensation back. I've been going to the bathroom in the

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>morning all by myself. And I was like, why didn't

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 2>you tell me like a week ago, and she said,

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't believe it. She's like, I just wanted

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 2>it to happen for a couple of days in a

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>row like I wanted to. And she's like, I didn't

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>want to tell you, and then it not be consistent.

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, that's so good, because my

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>mum is very fit and healthy and she goes to

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the gym and she loves to run, and it wasn't

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 2>a big issue. But it was just one of those

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>really annoying things from the surgery. And then obviously I

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 2>felt guilty that mum was adding issues with her blood

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 2>aer So the fact that things have got better and

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>have improved obviously took a weight off my shoulders.

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, of course, the same reason why you didn't want

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>them to be necessarily be your surrogate because of any risk. Yeah,

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the surgery is perfect, You're all good, and then it's like,

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>but mum's just got this one thing, Like, yeah, that's

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>going to affect kind of how you feel.

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>And obviously you want to be really feel really grateful

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>because lucky me, like thirty two days post off, I

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:54.719
<v Speaker 2>got a period.

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 5>So the uterus was doing its job.

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 4>It was credible.

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it said, hey, I'm a uterus, I need.

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 4>To wild your body just.

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 5>Like it was bad. Yeah, it wanted to be there.

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 3>And because you know, with all transplants there's risk of rejection,

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 3>so what correct is it with a uterus and was there?

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 3>You know, don't you have to take like anti rejection

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 3>drugs and that sort of thing.

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 5>Oh, boy, yes you do.

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I basically had like a pill planner the size of

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 2>like an A four piece.

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, you were like an elderly person with

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 3>your little web ball.

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 5>Definitely.

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I had it was broken up four times a day,

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and I had multiple anti rejection drugs, steroids, painkillers, anti

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>coagulants like blood clotting. I was pretty much on everything.

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>But obviously in the early days you're on the really

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>hard hitting stuff. But you know, they did slowly wean

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 2>me off some of the harder anti rejection drugs so

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>that I was able to do an embryo transfer.

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 5>So originally, when I.

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Was talking to the doctors and we were talking about

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 2>embryo transfer in Sweden, they were doing them six months

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 2>post transplant. But luckily when I had my surgery, they

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 2>had already moved to in Sweden doing them three months

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>post period. So the surgery was January the eleventh, and

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 2>then I got my period thirty one days later, and

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 2>then three months after that we did an embryo transfer.

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>You just don't think that that is going to be

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the timeline, like.

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 5>It's so quick.

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I was so quick.

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Everything Touchwood had been going really well with my recovery,

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>so I also was just very I didn't want to

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>get my hopes up too much. Like, so we had

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 2>to fly down for the embryo transfer, my husband and I,

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 2>and he was sort of a bit guarded as well.

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>He was like, your body's just been through so much.

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Like we had six embryos in the freezer, and we

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>did the first embryo transfer obviously, and my husband was like,

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll just see how it goes, Like your body's been

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 2>through so much it would be totally understandable if this

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't work. The first time, they gave us, you know,

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.959
<v Speaker 2>fifty to fifty the expectations, so I was like, okay,

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>I did go home and put my feet in the

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 2>air and eat salty fries because there are a few

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Little Wives tales, and just specifically told not to do

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>urine tests because I'd been having injections that would then

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 2>trick my body so it would come up on a

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 2>pea stick. Basically that I had HATECG. So we were

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 2>told not to do the test, but obviously I didn't listen.

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 2>So I was doing a test every day to see

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>one of the drugs get out of my system. And

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>then basically the day that I got the pregnancy test

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>that had no line on it, just one line, the

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 2>control line, I was like, okay, that drugs out of

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>my body. And then I just kept doing we tests

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>every morning and then that second line started to come back.

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, first embryo.

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, I feel like I've missed something. So how old

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 3>were you at the time. I was thirty thirty, okay,

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 3>And why were you doing the transfers and where did

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 3>the embryos come from.

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 2>So before we were accepted into the clinical trial, even

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 2>if we did sarrogacy, we would have to create embryos anyway,

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 2>So we used my eggs and my husband's perm to

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>create embryos. We did that at the Royal Women's with

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>doctor Rebecca Dean's and basically she said, look, if you're

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>not accepted into the clinical trial, you can transfer them

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else and you can use them with the surrogate.

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>But if you are accepted into the clinical trial, you

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 2>have them here ready to go. So basically you couldn't

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>have the uter's transplant if you didn't have the embryos

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 2>ready to go. Okay, because obviously they don't want to

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>do the you don't want to be on the anti

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 2>rejection drugs for any longer than you have to. So

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 2>basically everything, all your ducks have to be in a

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>row before the transplant.

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so everything goes swimmingly.

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Do they have to do the embers or are you

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 3>able to to try to conceive?

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 5>Oh? Naturally? Do you mean?

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to ask this, but you know,

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 3>like the old fashion way, I wish I would have

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.959
<v Speaker 3>loved that because obviously all the medical stuff really takes

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 3>the romance out.

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, when you're trying sometimes there really isn't that

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 2>much romance.

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 5>No, do it the old fashion way anyway. But no,

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 5>it wasn't connected.

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 2>There was no way my ovaries weren't connected to my uterus.

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:31.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, okay, so there's no fallopian tubes connecting them

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 2>to the uterus, so there was no way for that

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 2>egg to get to where it needed to go.

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, right, And then okay, so you've you've found out,

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>but you've done a little bit of a naughty because

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>you've been testing and you're not like no, So then

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 1>how long before they called you back? Like you do?

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 5>A blood test on day fourteen.

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>And that confirmed it, like officially confirmed.

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 2>And then my doctor called me. My husband was at home.

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I planned for him because they had rang me and said, look,

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>we need to make an appointment for doctor Deans to

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>call you with the blood test results. I'd made my

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>husband come home, and as soon as I got the

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>good news, I think I like hurried her off the

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>phone because I just wanted to call my mom. Yeah

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 2>it was I basically shouted at Nick, I'm like, oh,

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 2>your mom, because I wanted to tell them at the

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 2>same time. So my husband's like, oh, okay, so yeah,

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and then I was like, quick, mom, yes I'm pregnant.

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 5>Quick tell dad, ring dad. And I just wanted to share.

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>The news because everyone had been on the journey with us,

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and like, I was just so excited. And again, you're

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 2>still waiting with baited breath everyone that's going through the

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.839
<v Speaker 2>fertility trenches, whether that's you know, secondary in fertility, like

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 2>you realize sometimes that there's never a time you can

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 2>really exhale. But no, I was like, Okay, we've got

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 2>to this part, like the eggs where it needs to

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>be it's implanted. The blood test is saying I'm pregnant,

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm pregnant. Okay, I'm treating myself as pregnant. So I

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>think I was like, yeah, they say like five weeks

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 2>pregnant or something.

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 1>And then what was the pregnancy like then, like you've

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're letting yourself kind of enjoy that moment

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 1>of being pregnant. But I'm imagining like that in my

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>experience with this pregnancy that I have. Now, after my

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>first loss, I'd take nothing for granted, so one hundred percent.

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 5>So I mean I was being watched like a hawk.

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I was really lucky that I had a team in

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Coughs and a team in Sydney, and once I got

0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 2>to twelve weeks, I basically saw the team in Sydney

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 2>once a month, but then the alternate week I would

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 2>see my Coughs team. So I had a gynecologist and

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:39.360
<v Speaker 2>a midwife in Coughs as well, and a midwife that

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 2>ended up looking after me for Henry's so my second pregnancy,

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Henry was one of the midwives that looked after me

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.720
<v Speaker 2>with Violet. So that was really like felt full circle

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and just really nice that she knew my family and

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 2>my husband spent a lot of time with her when

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I was in ICU and stuff, so he really loved

0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.720
<v Speaker 2>her as well. Shout out to Jen if you're listening.

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 2>She was amazing. So my husband was like, oh, I

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>just have so much confidence knowing that Jen is there

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>as well.

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's just annuity, Okay, someone that knows your

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 1>whole story and yeah, joining halfway through, yeah.

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and just again with your second, like you are

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 5>really busy because you've got a first.

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, some people are still working. I was still

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 2>working three days a week and trying to travel to Sydney,

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 2>and I was having blood tests as well for my

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>levels for my ANI rejection drugs, like this is just

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 2>all part and parcel of the clinical trial. So I

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 2>was definitely trying to see the glimmers, like trying to

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 2>find the silver linings to things like trying to and

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>definitely not taking any week. For granted, I was taking

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 2>like with Violet, I think I took like a few

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:47.879
<v Speaker 2>bump photos, but I you know, I definitely wasn't taking

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:50.239
<v Speaker 2>them every week. With Henry, I was taking them every

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 2>single week. I was sending a picture to my mom

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 2>being like I'm thirteen weeks, I'm fourteen weeks, I'm you know,

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 2>and I was had my hand on my tummy like

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just didn't take it, yeah, yeah,

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 2>And just wanting my daughter to be a part of

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 2>that journey as well and getting her included. And my

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>pregnancy was really similar to that of violets. I had

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of morning sickness in the beginning. It

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:15.879
<v Speaker 2>was like halfway I think I was like twenty weeks

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>and I stopped performiting. But no, it was really similar.

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 2>I felt big and huge and pregnant.

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 4>How old. Was Violet through this?

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.280
<v Speaker 5>She was too.

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.879
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, And how does she sort of go with like,

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, obviously you were sort of traveling a lot

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 3>and with the surgeries and that sort of thing. I mean,

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 3>I guess she just didn't know any better, but like,

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 3>how did you explain different things to a two year old?

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 2>So basically, just as much as age appropriate as we could. Yeah,

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 2>we explained, like nanny gave mummy something because mummy couldn't

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 2>have a baby, so you need to be careful of

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 2>mummy's tummy. Like, and I've got a big scar, like

0:38:57.600 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I said, so from my bellydding down to my and

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 2>we together.

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 5>So she's like, that's where the baby would come out

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:04.480
<v Speaker 5>of your head.

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 2>So and she points to the other scar and she's

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>like that's where I came on at all, you know.

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 2>So and basically she would come to my bod test appointments.

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 2>We involved her a lot, so she was really used

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>to like, yeah, mummy needs to go to the doctor.

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 2>The doctor looks at mummy's belly, and my midwife would

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 2>come to my home so she would use the doppler

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and let Violet hold the doppler and be like that's

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:29.399
<v Speaker 2>your brother's like your baby's heartbeat, and and Violet's great now.

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 2>She always says like, oh, I want to be a doctor,

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and she has a little stethoscope and she's the only

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.839
<v Speaker 2>thing that I will say that really took a toll

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 2>was because I was on the anti rejection drugs. I

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 2>was really immunosuppressed, so I was very susceptible at picking

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 2>up all of Violet's daycare germs that she was bringing home.

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.399
<v Speaker 2>And there were a couple of times that I got

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.920
<v Speaker 2>really on well, very quickly, and that's just what happens

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 2>when you're immunosuppressed. And I was rushed to hospital. So

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 2>there was a few times that if Violet didn't understand

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 2>why Mummy just you'd wake up in the morning and

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Mummy wasn't there because I'd been rushed to hospital. Especially

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 2>also those Sydney days that I would be going to

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 2>my appointments, I often would fly really early in the morning,

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 2>like six point thirty, and then I wouldn't get back

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.320
<v Speaker 2>until eight o'clock that night, and so Violet would already

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 2>be in bed and she didn't enjoy those days just

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 2>because Mummy was obviously away, Like the whole day she

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 2>was yeah, and she but the next day she'd understand.

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:24.280
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, oh, Mummy went to see the doctor,

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 2>and I would be trying to take a few photos

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 2>of the airport and bring her home a little surprise

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.760
<v Speaker 2>every now and then, And even the surprises like didn't

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 2>even have to be anything special, Like sometimes I'd just

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:35.800
<v Speaker 2>give her my plane ticket and be like this was

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Mummy's plane ticket, Like yeah, yeah, so just yeah, trying

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 2>to explain and the best you can.

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 3>All of these specialists and all of these flights and

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.360
<v Speaker 3>everything that all adds up. Sorry to talk about money,

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.319
<v Speaker 3>but like anyone playing along at home is going to

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 3>be like this sounds like a very expensive process. So

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 3>is anything covered by private health? Is much covered by

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 3>Medicare Like.

0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 5>No to private health.

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I do have hospital cover, so a tiny little bit,

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 2>but basically the actual surgery because it was part of

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 2>the clinical trial, I wasn't builed for. Okay, medications I cover,

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>so all the IVF stuff or the anti rejection stuff.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Most of my appointments in coughs because I was high risk,

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:27.839
<v Speaker 2>were built with Medicare, like the ultrasounds and things like that.

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.320
<v Speaker 2>There's also a really wonderful charity that works alongside the

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Royal Women's that could help me out sometimes when I

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>needed help. So look, it's a little bit of everything.

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Also, yeah it does add up.

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 2>But also doing any sort of fertility treatment is really expensive,

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>so you sort of expect it, and I think when

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 2>it's for another baby, you just I don't want to say,

0:41:56.000 --> 0:42:00.360
<v Speaker 2>turn a blind eye, but you're like, it's worth it.

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 5>It is what it is.

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it's not money that you're going to regret spending,

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 3>is it correct?

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean touch wood again, I was having

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 2>very good outcomes, so yeah, that's very different to someone.

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 4>That's you know, how defeating it would be when something is.

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Five embryo transfers, ten embryo transfers, like I was very,

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>very very lucky.

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and okay, so can we move on to Henry's birth.

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 3>I want to hear about it, like but and also

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 3>were you terrified because after Violet's birth you must have

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 3>did you have to do like a lot of work

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 3>preparing yourself mentally?

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, For a period of time whilst I was pregnant,

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 2>I just was like too high basket, let's not think

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 2>about it. But then it got to the point where Obviously,

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 2>my specialists in Sydney, they both Doctor Shanned and Doctor Lines,

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 2>were ready to talk about it and like, but that

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 2>was really good for me.

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 5>I like information. I like being told.

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that's also another reason I like to share

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 2>my story about violence birth and the hysterectomy is because

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 2>leading up to violence Bath, I felt like I had

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 2>done so much preparation. I'd done hypno birthing. I had

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 2>bought all the things, drank all the stuff done, all

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the walking done, all the stretching, like listen to all

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the podcasts in the world. I thought I knew everything

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 2>that could happen. And then to wake up and have

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 2>had a hysterect to me, I was like, no one

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 2>told me about that.

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't hear that one.

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>And obviously for some people they prefer less information, but yeah,

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 2>for me, definitely, I like to be really informed. So

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 2>when my team started talking to me about what the

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 2>birth would be like, it was a plants arian. It

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 2>has to be a plants arian at thirty seven weeks,

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.320
<v Speaker 2>just so not to put pressure on the uterus, because

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:43.399
<v Speaker 2>obviously we're trying to avoid uterine rupture and that can

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 2>happen after transplants and they basically are like, you are

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 2>not going past thirty seven weeks, but also people do

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 2>go early. So from thirty four weeks I moved from

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.439
<v Speaker 2>my home to Sydney so I could be really close

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 2>to the hospital.

0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 5>I was walking distance. Everyone was going over me with

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 5>a fine tooth comb.

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:02.959
<v Speaker 2>So being a part of the clinical trial, I also

0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 2>had access to appointments to look after my mental health

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 2>as well, and they were checking in and just everyone

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 2>really understood where I was coming from that I'd had

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 2>a hysterectomy. And I also requested for my mum to

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 2>be in there for the birth. So not only did

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I have my husband there holding my hand during Henry's birth,

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.439
<v Speaker 2>but Mum was gowned up and in the anesthetic bay,

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and then once Henry was brought up and out of

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the curtain that he was given to the specialist pediatricians

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 2>and went with my husband, But my mum got to

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 2>come over and hold my hand while they was selling

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 2>me up, and that was the bit I was really

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 2>really scared about anyway, So it was really nice having

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean I knew everyone in that room, but it

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 2>was really nice having my mom there to hold my hand.

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so incredible and like you can tell him

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 3>you and him grew in the same womb.

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Me, my brother and Henry all grew in the

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 5>same womb.

0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 4>That's so cool.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 2>And it was just a beautiful experience. Like honestly, my

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:05.240
<v Speaker 2>mum and my husband and I walked to the hospital

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 2>the morning of my plan ses arian, I wasn't allowed

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 2>to coffee, but they were. I was a bit I

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 2>wasn't very happy about that because I loved my first

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:13.360
<v Speaker 2>coffee of the morning.

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, it was just so lovely, Like I walked

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 5>in and everyone was so excited because they knew we

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 5>were meeting my baby.

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if that's just the difference between

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:26.760
<v Speaker 2>an emergencies is arian.

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 3>Everyone I know that's had an elective the second time

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 3>around has been like, why was it such a nice experience?

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 5>Like so it was.

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 2>It went really really well. I barely lost any well

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I had. I lost three or four leaders to me,

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 2>I felt great, Like they was saying, you know, how

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 2>are you feeling? You know, And I had no symptoms

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 2>from the blood loss, but.

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 3>That's still a lot of blood to lose, Like I know,

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 3>but I know it's not eleven.

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 4>But like did they say, why you bleed so much?

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Like again, because they were checking everything out. Okay, so

0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>they opened me up and down because they wanted to

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 2>and to just close all those layers. And because yeah

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 2>it was instead of a cross ways instead of your

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 2>bikini line. They did that one the same way they

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.959
<v Speaker 2>did the uterus transplant, so that one was up and down.

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.400
<v Speaker 3>So that was that's a big area to be awake

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:19.240
<v Speaker 3>for as well, though like yeah, it's.

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 5>It's a lot of rummaging. But again in comparison, it

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 5>was it's so gross. I was really.

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Lucky because Yanna took my phone and she filmed him

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 2>coming out. I've got this beautiful video of him like

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>coming out of my tummy. I made the comment that

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get to see my placenta with Violet. She

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 2>made it a thing of like taking a photo of

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Henry's placenta, And yeah, I was just so lucky, Like

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 2>not only did I have my husband and my my mom,

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 2>but I had like my amazing team with me and

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Yana taking photos. And then when I went into recovery,

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 2>like I got to see my dad there and then

0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 2>like it was just straight away.

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:00.160
<v Speaker 5>Soon as we got into recovery.

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Mum said to me that went really really well, and

0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I said, yeah, yeah, it did. And she said, you

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 2>want to have another baby, don't you.

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 5>I was like, yes, yes, I do.

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.280
<v Speaker 1>It chills because that was going to be my next question.

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:15.319
<v Speaker 1>It's like, how could you not want to do it

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.839
<v Speaker 1>all over again when it was such a beautiful experience.

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, I actually am three months post second history to me,

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 2>So when you're part of the clinical trial, they say

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 2>to you two live birds or five years. That's the

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.440
<v Speaker 2>limit on how long you can have the uterus, right,

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:38.120
<v Speaker 2>because obviously they want to get you off the anti

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 2>rejection drug, so I can't just keep the uterus like

0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 2>I would have loved to have just kept it.

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 5>But those anti rejection drugs suck, so obviously I wanted

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 5>to get off those.

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:51.280
<v Speaker 2>But basically part of that planning for the land cesarian

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>of Henry, they said, do you want to have a hysterectomy?

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 5>At that stage, you'll stay awake, we'll do the cesarean.

0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Basically Henry will be born and then we would knock

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:04.240
<v Speaker 2>you out and do the hysterectomy. But I was still

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 2>very unsure because I've already got another child.

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 5>As well.

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.840
<v Speaker 2>If you had asked Kirsty whilst I was pregnant with

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Violet how many kids I wanted, I always said three.

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 2>My husband's got a brother and a sister. It's just

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:19.400
<v Speaker 2>my brother and I and were thick as thieves. But

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:24.239
<v Speaker 2>I always begged my mum for a sister. And I

0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.239
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I just always grew up thinking I would

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 2>have three kids. So, you know, before the uterus transplant,

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.439
<v Speaker 2>I was like, if I get the chance, I will

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 2>have two more children, and Violet will have two more siblings.

0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:39.680
<v Speaker 2>But once going through that and realizing how lucky we

0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 2>were and how touch would we didn't really have any hiccups.

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Like I was very very lucky, like Henry was very healthy.

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 2>I did get gestational diabetes, but that was really controlled

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 2>with insulin with the needle, So I don't know, I

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.320
<v Speaker 2>just felt like I had had such a good experience anyway,

0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:01.120
<v Speaker 2>So basically they said, don't make any decisions, we'll just

0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 2>have a chat about this in six months time. And

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:07.040
<v Speaker 2>then when that came up, by that stage, so three

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 2>months postpardon, I started bleeding and then it just never stopped.

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I was in organ rejection. So they were doing biopsies

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:19.280
<v Speaker 2>of my uterus, and basically they said, nope, you'reine rejection.

0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 2>So we think maybe some of the amniotic fluid from

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Henry got into my uterus and then it started attacking

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.239
<v Speaker 2>my uterus. Said hey, this isn't the right thing. And

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 2>so my body started to attack the uterus and I

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 2>had some treatment to treat the rejection, but it was

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.719
<v Speaker 2>making me really, really sick, and I was having to

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 2>be in hospital, away from my baby and from Violet.

0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 2>And we ended up as a family making decision that

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, we had two beautiful, healthy children, and you know,

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 2>touch Wood, I hadn't had too many hiccups and too

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 2>many complications, and that I was ready to have that

0:49:56.760 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 2>second hysterectomy.

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:03.239
<v Speaker 3>So months post his diectomy. Now, yeah, and how are

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:04.760
<v Speaker 3>you feeling great?

0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 4>I feel, my God that I'm so good.

0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:09.560
<v Speaker 5>I'm weaning off mine.

0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 4>You've got all the drugs out of your system.

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Not quite, so I'm still weaning. You've got to do

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 2>that slowly because obviously I had so many my Siah,

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:23.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm weaning off the steroids really slowly. But Touchwood, in

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.399
<v Speaker 2>the new year, I will be drug free. I will

0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 2>be anti rejection, drug free.

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:31.880
<v Speaker 3>That's incredible, and you've got your two beautiful babies and

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 3>you've made history.

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and hopefully so as far as I know, there's

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:41.640
<v Speaker 2>been three other uterus transplants. Now I only know the

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:43.920
<v Speaker 2>lady that went second. So the lady that went second,

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.799
<v Speaker 2>she has a baby girl named Rose. So there's been

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 2>one baby boy and one baby girl born in Australia

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:50.839
<v Speaker 2>from uterus transplant.

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 1>It's really cool and I'm just isn't science amazing? It's amazing.

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 5>And women's bodies of.

0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Course, I mean, yeah, it goes without saying powerhouse, it does.

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 5>Here we are.

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.439
<v Speaker 1>But I just love that perspective that you had and

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:08.399
<v Speaker 1>that you could say goodbye to that second uterus and

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 1>just be like, no, we've done our dash. This is

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:13.320
<v Speaker 1>what we need, like our families complete.

0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look, I don't know if I can definitely

0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.839
<v Speaker 2>definitely say yes, our family is complete, but this part

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 2>of our our family making journey, this part is closed.

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.439
<v Speaker 5>My body. I've been through a lot and I've had enough.

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, in the future, you know, we may look

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:32.360
<v Speaker 2>at something else, but at the moment, we are content.

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:35.440
<v Speaker 2>And I am just so grateful for the opportunity from

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 2>the Royal Women's and from all the people that all

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.480
<v Speaker 2>the doctors and nurses that looked after us and looked

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:44.759
<v Speaker 2>after my mum and looked after Henry. I'm just really

0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 2>looking forward to touchwood. Hopefully are really cruisy twenty twenty five,

0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.880
<v Speaker 2>not too many hospital visits, not too many doctors' visits,

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, just really getting to enjoy my children.

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely. It's been a long journey because you've had

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.319
<v Speaker 1>to do it pretty quickly, one after the other, and

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 1>it hasn't been easy. It's kind of nice just to enjoy, like.

0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I hate that word. I hate the word journey,

0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:10.080
<v Speaker 2>but it has felt like a journey. And you know,

0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 2>there's been so many milestones. But as a parent, you

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:14.759
<v Speaker 2>guys probably say the same thing. You're like, next week

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:16.800
<v Speaker 2>it'll get better. Yes, we could all get better, but

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 2>it's like, hopefully next year will be our year and

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 2>we can just like slow down.

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:23.320
<v Speaker 1>We've got to have the belief at the beginning of

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:25.440
<v Speaker 1>the year that it's going to be get yeah, aimheigh,

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. And so what's it like, I mean, he's

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 1>just turned one, Like looking at him, seeing him reaches milestones,

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:36.359
<v Speaker 1>just seeing him as a little person, like does it

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>just amaze.

0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 5>You that definitely.

0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:42.799
<v Speaker 2>And he's just so different to my daughter. So he's

0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:45.320
<v Speaker 2>got so many teeth, he's got like eight teeth. He's walking.

0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 2>He started taking steps like two weeks ago and then

0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 2>just started basically walking around the house and I was like,

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 2>oh my goodness. And then so, yeah, he's just I

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:57.240
<v Speaker 2>used to think, oh, you raise them in the same house,

0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 2>they'll be similar. But my children are chalk and Cheese

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 2>is a soft and my son is just a wild animal.

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 2>I love that, which I love, I love, but I

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 2>just didn't like as a baby.

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 5>He was a very easy baby. So I kept saying

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:15.320
<v Speaker 5>to everyone, Oh, he's going to be like my husband.

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 2>My husband's a surfar he's very easy going. My husband's

0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:21.440
<v Speaker 2>very you know, very cruisy. Henry is going to be

0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 2>just like his dad. And then my daughter's always like.

0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 5>Mom, he's so rough. He's so rough with me.

0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, Violet, just you put your hand out

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:31.799
<v Speaker 2>and you say no, Hongry, I don't like it, yes,

0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:35.760
<v Speaker 2>gentle hands. But yeah, he's he's just such a boy.

0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he had to have that kind of

0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 1>demeanor because he just really really wanted.

0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:42.239
<v Speaker 4>To be here.

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 1>You know he really wanted to be here, so he's

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:47.319
<v Speaker 1>living life to the fullest. He's rough and humble. I

0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:51.080
<v Speaker 1>love it. Final question, what's surprised you the most? What

0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:52.240
<v Speaker 1>did you learn about yourself?

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 2>I think there's there's been lots of challenges along the way,

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 2>but I'm just really, really, really proud of myself that

0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I've been able to get up every day and be grateful.

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 5>And it's not easy.

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:08.839
<v Speaker 2>The drugs make you feel crap, and when you've got

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 2>a kid and you're pregnant, and because I was obviously

0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:14.840
<v Speaker 2>well key, you would totally understand, but yeah, still on

0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:18.879
<v Speaker 2>a pregnancy, but any pregnancy, some people look get nice

0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:22.040
<v Speaker 2>and easy and you know, but it's hard. So I'm

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 2>just really proud that I tried to see the positive

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.920
<v Speaker 2>and I just kept turning up and doing what I

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:29.359
<v Speaker 2>could do.

0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:32.000
<v Speaker 5>And you know, I had to ask for help.

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Like obviously to get to this stage, I did have

0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.680
<v Speaker 2>to ask my mum for her uterus, so you know,

0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:38.879
<v Speaker 2>I did have to ask for things. So I think

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm just getting to the point where I'm getting more

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:44.440
<v Speaker 2>comfortable within asking for what I need and for asking

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 2>for help and then also accepting that help because yeah,

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:51.080
<v Speaker 2>it's really hard sometimes as a mum when you just

0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:54.759
<v Speaker 2>want to do and be everywhere all the time. To

0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 2>then accept that help as well.

0:54:57.120 --> 0:55:00.440
<v Speaker 1>It feels like that's almost your full circle kind of lesson,

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.120
<v Speaker 1>because remember when you were talking in the hospital about

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 1>you were kind of fawning and trying to keep it

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.480
<v Speaker 1>all together, and you know, you were scared to kind

0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 1>of let anyone know that you were struggling to now

0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 1>like being like, I'm actually so proud of myself for

0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:16.600
<v Speaker 1>asking for and accepting the help.

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 5>Yes, because yeah, a problem shared is definitely a problem halved.

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:22.879
<v Speaker 5>And I think you actually key you were only talking

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 5>about this the other day. You were saying, once you

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:28.360
<v Speaker 5>started talking about how you were feeling, you felt a

0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:28.880
<v Speaker 5>little better.

0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:30.200
<v Speaker 1>The weight lifts.

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:30.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like it's only you. You feel supported,

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:39.279
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel as isolating. Yeah, definitely. Thanks obviously, Well

0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:43.799
<v Speaker 1>was women here talking to white so wise? Well, thank

0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you so much. That was just the most interesting, beautiful, entertaining,

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.279
<v Speaker 1>joyful conversation I think I've had in a long time.

0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:53.760
<v Speaker 1>And I just thank you so a lot.

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:56.359
<v Speaker 5>But the way it is a lot of infertility, Thank you,

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 5>thank you.

0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:59.520
<v Speaker 3>I feel like a little bit flustered because I'm like,

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 3>where is the presence of someone that has changed history?

0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 5>Oh? Remember I was just the patient, but yes.

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:10.080
<v Speaker 3>No, no, your body was used and you are a

0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 3>huge part of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm internally grateful for doctor Matt Branstrom, the Royal Women's

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<v Speaker 2>the clinical trial, because yeah, I would never have been

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<v Speaker 2>able to carry another child, and I'm so grateful that

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<v Speaker 2>I did get to have that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope everyone enjoyed listening to that chat as much

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<v Speaker 3>as we enjoyed having it. She is just incredible and

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<v Speaker 3>she's also just like a really good speaker.

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<v Speaker 1>She's very eloquent, such a good storyteller. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>the edge of my seat the whole time during that nur. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really good and.

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<v Speaker 4>She knew all the good we ask.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. So thank you Kirsty so much for sharing

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<v Speaker 1>your story.

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<v Speaker 4>And thank you for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was produced by us Key and kel with

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<v Speaker 1>audio production by our lovely producer Madeline Joanna Bye Bye