WEBVTT - The Sabrina Carpenter Interview We Can’t Agree On 0:00:11.464 --> 0:00:14.144 You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 0:00:14.784 --> 0:00:18.664 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 0:00:18.744 --> 0:00:25.904 that this podcast is recorded on from MoMA Mia. Welcome 0:00:25.984 --> 0:00:28.704 to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm m 0:00:28.784 --> 0:00:32.744 Vernham and I'm a London. A little surprise, Laura Bronnick 0:00:32.864 --> 0:00:35.864 is still somewhere on a cruise somewhere in Europe living 0:00:35.864 --> 0:00:40.824 her best life. And West are Kids working. If you 0:00:40.864 --> 0:00:42.904 don't know Ash, where the hell have you been? 0:00:43.064 --> 0:00:43.264 Ash? 0:00:43.304 --> 0:00:46.024 You filled in a few times on this podcast. You 0:00:46.104 --> 0:00:48.784 also had a radio show, Ash London Live, and I 0:00:48.824 --> 0:00:51.584 remember you've interviewed Tailswift, Big Deep. 0:00:53.464 --> 0:00:54.464 It always comes off. 0:00:57.224 --> 0:00:58.944 And you have a new podcast. 0:00:59.384 --> 0:01:02.104 Yes, it's called Hopeless Romantics and it's all about romance 0:01:02.184 --> 0:01:03.304 books and films. 0:01:03.544 --> 0:01:04.584 It's pretty much me and. 0:01:04.544 --> 0:01:10.304 Guests swooning over book boyfriends, movie boyfriends, sex scenes, romantic scene. 0:01:10.744 --> 0:01:13.264 It's so much fun and I absolutely love doing. 0:01:13.144 --> 0:01:14.584 It and it's a great excuse for me to just 0:01:14.624 --> 0:01:17.384 read romance books and watch rom coms all day. 0:01:17.424 --> 0:01:18.744 And my husband kind of even get angry. 0:01:18.824 --> 0:01:21.104 I'll be like, we need to watch House of the Dragon, 0:01:21.104 --> 0:01:22.544 and so it'll be like, so maybe it's work. 0:01:22.664 --> 0:01:23.384 We have to watch. 0:01:23.464 --> 0:01:25.664 I'm making money off of this exactly. 0:01:25.784 --> 0:01:28.304 I'm going to watch Irish Wish starring Lindsay Lohan a 0:01:28.304 --> 0:01:32.904 second time this week because it's well. 0:01:32.944 --> 0:01:36.544 On the show today, we are talking about Sabrina Carpenter's 0:01:36.624 --> 0:01:39.624 new interview with Riety. Some of the stuff Sabrina said 0:01:39.704 --> 0:01:42.664 has got me and Ash disagreeing with each other. 0:01:43.304 --> 0:01:43.704 Yeah. 0:01:43.784 --> 0:01:46.184 I don't know what it is. Maybe it's an age thing, 0:01:46.624 --> 0:01:49.424 maybe it's just different perspectives on her career. But I 0:01:49.424 --> 0:01:52.064 love a bit of disagreement. There's nothing wrong with that. 0:01:52.184 --> 0:01:52.984 There's nothing wrong. 0:01:53.904 --> 0:01:56.704 It's what the world needs more of people disagree nicely. 0:01:57.944 --> 0:02:00.664 I agree with our disagreement. Yeah, one hundred percent, thank you. 0:02:00.784 --> 0:02:02.224 But first, do you have some news for me? 0:02:02.384 --> 0:02:02.584 Yes? 0:02:02.624 --> 0:02:05.144 I'm really excited about this because I am thirty eight 0:02:05.224 --> 0:02:08.224 years old, which means that when The Simple Life og 0:02:09.464 --> 0:02:12.624 as Indie Paris Shilton Nicole Richie reality TV show, when 0:02:12.664 --> 0:02:15.784 it first came out, I was watching it in real 0:02:15.824 --> 0:02:16.184 time and. 0:02:19.104 --> 0:02:21.824 Understanding that you don't have to saying that history with 0:02:21.904 --> 0:02:22.224 the show. 0:02:22.424 --> 0:02:22.584 No. 0:02:22.824 --> 0:02:25.344 I remember saying when I was in my Tumblr era, 0:02:25.504 --> 0:02:28.184 like a lot of the reblogs was of Nicole Ritchie 0:02:28.224 --> 0:02:30.584 and Paris Hilton in that era, and they looked very cool. 0:02:30.704 --> 0:02:33.344 But that's like the most I knew about it, fair enough. 0:02:33.864 --> 0:02:38.504 Reality TV was a very new thing. Nowadays, every TV 0:02:38.584 --> 0:02:40.864 show on television is reality, but back then it was not. 0:02:40.944 --> 0:02:43.504 There was no social media. It was a huge deal 0:02:43.584 --> 0:02:46.424 to have this insight into the lives of Nicole Ritchie 0:02:46.464 --> 0:02:50.064 and Paris Hilton, and this show was responsible for so 0:02:50.304 --> 0:02:53.784 many quotable moments of the age. The reason we're talking 0:02:53.824 --> 0:02:56.224 about it is because they're rebooting it, which is crazy 0:02:56.264 --> 0:02:59.824 because they've both gone on to have huge careers and families. 0:02:59.864 --> 0:03:02.224 We now know that we've got more backstory on them. 0:03:02.344 --> 0:03:04.704 They probably don't even need to do this, but they're 0:03:04.744 --> 0:03:07.544 doing it, which I think is unbelievable. So we don't 0:03:07.584 --> 0:03:10.024 know much about it thought other than that was spotted 0:03:10.064 --> 0:03:12.784 in Q outfits that kind of match, which I'm. 0:03:12.984 --> 0:03:13.984 Absolutely was that. 0:03:13.984 --> 0:03:16.504 That thing was that that thing in the. 0:03:15.904 --> 0:03:18.384 Original The crazy thing was that Nicole Richie back then 0:03:18.424 --> 0:03:21.784 would have been like a size twelve and free leed 0:03:21.944 --> 0:03:25.064 f Wood was used so often to describe her and. 0:03:24.944 --> 0:03:26.984 As a young teenager, that was very normal. 0:03:27.064 --> 0:03:28.704 And then you look back on it now and you're like, 0:03:29.544 --> 0:03:32.184 what the heck I do have a bit of audio 0:03:32.184 --> 0:03:33.664 that I want to play for you, which I think 0:03:33.944 --> 0:03:36.344 if you are not familiar with the Simple Life, is 0:03:36.384 --> 0:03:39.264 something that will kind of contextualize it very nicely for you. 0:03:39.384 --> 0:03:44.104 Now, do you guys hang out at Walmart? I've always 0:03:44.144 --> 0:03:45.704 heard the people hang out at Walmart? 0:03:45.904 --> 0:03:50.464 Why I don't want to because like they're so often. 0:03:52.224 --> 0:03:54.704 Yeah, Paris Hilton didn't know what Walmart was. That was 0:03:54.744 --> 0:03:58.264 this one tiny grab of like over and over these girls. 0:03:58.584 --> 0:04:02.184 They were so funny and they were so removed from reality, 0:04:02.624 --> 0:04:05.024 but it was real. I don't think they were faking 0:04:05.104 --> 0:04:07.704 half of it. Like, why would Paris Hilton go to Walmart? 0:04:07.864 --> 0:04:10.144 Yeah? Is this way she kind of got like her 0:04:10.424 --> 0:04:14.944 quote unquote dumb persona was from this series because now 0:04:14.984 --> 0:04:18.064 when you see her shows, like when she did that 0:04:18.184 --> 0:04:21.904 Netflix series Cooking with Paris, I really liked her and 0:04:21.944 --> 0:04:23.744 I was like, is this the kind of same persona 0:04:23.784 --> 0:04:26.464 she was putting on like from the beginning, or has 0:04:26.464 --> 0:04:28.704 she now kind of like shifted her ways. 0:04:28.824 --> 0:04:30.864 It's the same persona. And when you watch it through 0:04:30.864 --> 0:04:33.144 that lens, you realize how much she is because she 0:04:33.264 --> 0:04:36.784 is playing a character the whole time. She knows what 0:04:36.864 --> 0:04:39.784 to say, she knows how to play it. It's going 0:04:39.864 --> 0:04:42.104 to be funny. And especially now that we know what 0:04:42.144 --> 0:04:46.304 we know about Paris and how deeply traumatic her childhood was, 0:04:46.784 --> 0:04:50.064 I think it's even more incredible to watch her go 0:04:50.184 --> 0:04:52.464 out and just be hilarious and own this. 0:04:53.184 --> 0:04:54.664 And I don't know what they're going to do with this. 0:04:54.944 --> 0:04:57.264 It's such a crazy thing to reboot something twenty years 0:04:57.344 --> 0:04:59.904 later when your lives are so different. So I have 0:04:59.984 --> 0:05:01.744 no idea what it's going to be like, but I 0:05:01.784 --> 0:05:04.784 hope that they go back to that kind of tongue 0:05:04.824 --> 0:05:05.504 in cheek. 0:05:05.944 --> 0:05:06.944 We don't know anything. 0:05:07.704 --> 0:05:11.224 We can get away with saying kind of problem things 0:05:11.544 --> 0:05:13.744 because it's we're the ones that are being laughed at. 0:05:13.944 --> 0:05:16.704 I love Nicole Richie, I love Parasitalton. I'm cheering them on. 0:05:17.024 --> 0:05:18.224 Go the simple life. 0:05:18.344 --> 0:05:21.744 Go the simple life. You sold me, Dana Nana. So, 0:05:21.824 --> 0:05:25.704 Sabrina Carpenter has done a new feature interview with Variety 0:05:25.824 --> 0:05:30.024 about her life and career and her repertoire. So we 0:05:30.424 --> 0:05:32.704 need to unpack some of the stuff, she said. The 0:05:32.744 --> 0:05:35.664 interview starts off. I think they're in some like music store. 0:05:35.824 --> 0:05:38.544 I love the interviews where they like have a full setting. 0:05:38.584 --> 0:05:39.904 So I feel like I'm actually there. 0:05:40.224 --> 0:05:43.464 It's very nineteen nineties if that doesn't happen anymore, because 0:05:43.504 --> 0:05:45.584 we don't have a lot of these big cover stories. 0:05:45.624 --> 0:05:48.344 And back then, yeah, the journalists would use a cafe, 0:05:48.504 --> 0:05:50.304 they would use a cool shop, they would maybe go 0:05:50.344 --> 0:05:52.464 to a couple of the places that the artists loved. 0:05:52.504 --> 0:05:55.304 These days, it's like probably just on zoom, so good 0:05:55.304 --> 0:05:56.584 on you variety. 0:05:56.224 --> 0:05:58.624 Good on your variety. And it's so interesting that you 0:05:58.664 --> 0:06:00.544 said it's very nineteen nineties, because I feel like that 0:06:00.624 --> 0:06:03.144 is Sabrina Carpenter's look that she goes for. It's like 0:06:03.184 --> 0:06:05.864 the nineties bombshell look. So maybe that was like a 0:06:05.864 --> 0:06:07.544 little thing they were trying to get into, and they 0:06:07.544 --> 0:06:11.184 were talking about some previous musicians that she found really interesting. 0:06:11.984 --> 0:06:17.464 But there was a part that I just couldn't stop 0:06:17.504 --> 0:06:20.864 thinking about, and that was when they were talking about 0:06:20.904 --> 0:06:25.424 her relationship. So the interviewer first brought up the love 0:06:25.544 --> 0:06:30.504 triangle Sabrina Carpenter was in with Joshua Bassett and Olivia Rodrigo. 0:06:31.104 --> 0:06:35.984 That was I think the first time audiences who weren't 0:06:36.024 --> 0:06:39.784 just her gen Z like Disney fans started to recognize 0:06:39.784 --> 0:06:42.704 her because we love like a little celebrity love triangle. 0:06:42.944 --> 0:06:44.624 And also I think that was a time where Olivia 0:06:44.704 --> 0:06:46.904 Rodrigo was getting really big and we were like, who's 0:06:46.904 --> 0:06:48.664 this girl she's talking about in all the songs. 0:06:50.384 --> 0:06:52.984 So I was aware of Sabrina Carpenter before I was 0:06:52.984 --> 0:06:56.064 aware of Olivia. But it was very obvious from the 0:06:56.184 --> 0:06:58.504 very start with Olivia that she was about to be 0:06:59.104 --> 0:07:02.224 absolutely huge. And what I love the most about the 0:07:02.224 --> 0:07:04.064 whole thing is that both of the women in that 0:07:04.104 --> 0:07:08.104 love triangle, both of their careers have exploded. And oldmate Josh, 0:07:08.304 --> 0:07:09.304 what the fuck's he doing? 0:07:10.704 --> 0:07:14.064 Speaking of relationships, there was a part in the interview 0:07:14.104 --> 0:07:15.864 that I wanted to talk to you about, and it 0:07:15.944 --> 0:07:19.184 was when she was talking about her current relationship with 0:07:19.624 --> 0:07:23.064 Barry Kurogan, who stars in Saltburn. Everyone knows him. He 0:07:23.184 --> 0:07:25.824 was massive on the big Oscars run. I'm just going 0:07:25.904 --> 0:07:27.784 to read out this little excerpt which was a quote 0:07:27.784 --> 0:07:30.984 from her. So she was talking about her new song 0:07:31.064 --> 0:07:32.304 Please Please Please. 0:07:32.104 --> 0:07:34.744 Please, Please Please Please. 0:07:36.784 --> 0:07:39.664 It also stars him as her love interest in the 0:07:39.744 --> 0:07:45.584 music video, so obviously I feel like if you put 0:07:45.624 --> 0:07:48.224 your boyfriend in your music video, you can't avoid talking 0:07:48.264 --> 0:07:50.744 about him, So she obviously had to spill Beans, and 0:07:50.824 --> 0:07:53.824 she said he loved the song. He's obsessed with the lyrics, 0:07:53.864 --> 0:07:56.024 and I'm so grateful for that. I don't want to 0:07:56.064 --> 0:07:58.104 sound biased, but I think he's one of the best 0:07:58.144 --> 0:08:01.504 actors of his generation. So getting to see him on 0:08:01.544 --> 0:08:03.904 the screen with my song as a soundtrack made the 0:08:03.984 --> 0:08:06.104 video better and all the more special. 0:08:07.904 --> 0:08:10.024 The first of all, I just want to say, is 0:08:10.064 --> 0:08:12.464 in my acting involved in being in a music video, 0:08:12.544 --> 0:08:14.984 Like that's a big leak for her to be comparing 0:08:15.104 --> 0:08:16.784 her music video to like Zalburn. 0:08:17.104 --> 0:08:22.424 Okay, I think she was saying that she was lucky. 0:08:22.584 --> 0:08:24.704 If I was saying this quote in the interview, if 0:08:24.704 --> 0:08:29.944 this is me, I pretty much I would want to 0:08:29.984 --> 0:08:34.024 talk about how my boyfriend became really big on this 0:08:34.144 --> 0:08:38.304 massive movie called Salppurn, so I wanted to make money 0:08:38.344 --> 0:08:40.544 off of that since I'm already in a relationship with him, 0:08:40.664 --> 0:08:42.504 so I'm just going to put him in my music video. 0:08:42.624 --> 0:08:44.744 Like That's the business angle that I would have approached 0:08:44.744 --> 0:08:48.584 it with. I think calling him one of the best 0:08:48.624 --> 0:08:53.344 actors of this generation is I wouldn't say far fetched, 0:08:53.464 --> 0:08:58.344 but a bit too a bit too gushy for a 0:08:58.424 --> 0:09:01.664 variety interview. That's meant to be about you and your career. 0:09:02.104 --> 0:09:05.744 I understand what you're saying, but this is still the 0:09:05.784 --> 0:09:09.264 honeymoon period of their relationship. I think for famous people 0:09:09.304 --> 0:09:12.304 the honeymoon period go for longer because they're separated more 0:09:12.344 --> 0:09:14.784 like a people like us, honeymoon is like maybe a 0:09:14.784 --> 0:09:16.344 month because you're seeing in person every day. 0:09:16.584 --> 0:09:17.664 When you're newly. 0:09:17.424 --> 0:09:20.104 Into someone, you gush. Of course, you're telling oh, your 0:09:20.104 --> 0:09:22.904 friends how amazing they are. You can't stop talking about them. 0:09:22.944 --> 0:09:25.784 You insert them into every conversation, even when it's irrelevant. 0:09:25.984 --> 0:09:28.464 So I think we need to extend her some grace 0:09:28.584 --> 0:09:29.664 because that's. 0:09:29.504 --> 0:09:29.984 What you do. 0:09:30.304 --> 0:09:32.144 He's what I think you can do it within the 0:09:32.144 --> 0:09:34.904 first six months of the relationship if you're famous, and 0:09:34.904 --> 0:09:38.184 then after like six years, like if Blake Lively said 0:09:38.184 --> 0:09:40.624 that about Ryan Reynolds, would be like, oh, the dedication 0:09:40.744 --> 0:09:43.184 is so beautiful because they've been together a while, the 0:09:43.264 --> 0:09:46.544 mutual admiration has grown or honeymoon period. 0:09:46.584 --> 0:09:49.144 Anytime in between that is when I think it's cringe. 0:09:49.304 --> 0:09:51.784 I agree that when you're in a relationship you want 0:09:51.784 --> 0:09:54.384 to gush with your friends and family, but where not 0:09:54.424 --> 0:09:57.224 her friends and family, like where her audience, We're on 0:09:57.264 --> 0:09:59.384 her business side of her life, and it's not like 0:09:59.384 --> 0:10:01.264 you and I come on this podcast and we're cushing 0:10:01.304 --> 0:10:04.184 about your partner, like both a muscussion about your partner 0:10:04.584 --> 0:10:06.624 or talking about like the dates I've been on or anything. 0:10:06.984 --> 0:10:10.224 And I think it's just really risky, especially at such 0:10:10.464 --> 0:10:13.544 impressurable age she is, she's younger than me, that she 0:10:13.744 --> 0:10:17.144 is having this massive career, she's performing on world stages, 0:10:17.184 --> 0:10:21.024 she's doing these massive interviews with these huge publications, and 0:10:21.144 --> 0:10:24.584 to use up real estate of these opportunities to talk 0:10:24.624 --> 0:10:27.104 about a boyfriend that you've been with for less than 0:10:27.144 --> 0:10:29.664 a year, I feel like it's really risky and you 0:10:29.744 --> 0:10:31.744 might be regretting it in a few years time. 0:10:32.184 --> 0:10:36.344 I understand, However, I think about this, Okay. All she 0:10:36.464 --> 0:10:40.984 can do is work with the current news cycle, work 0:10:40.984 --> 0:10:44.264 with what's happening moment to moment to keep her career alive. 0:10:44.784 --> 0:10:47.024 So she can't be thinking too much about the future. 0:10:47.184 --> 0:10:49.624 She has to be thinking about in this world where 0:10:49.664 --> 0:10:51.864 so much content is being consumed and put out in 0:10:51.984 --> 0:10:54.544 songs and a new cycle? So quick, how do I 0:10:54.584 --> 0:10:57.184 state in a new cycle today? And you know what, 0:10:57.264 --> 0:10:59.584 it's worked, because what are we doing them? We're sitting 0:10:59.624 --> 0:11:01.824 here on this podcast discussing. 0:11:01.344 --> 0:11:04.784 It that's true is working. 0:11:05.024 --> 0:11:09.384 Like I always say, everything is contrived, nothing is accidental. 0:11:09.744 --> 0:11:11.704 We have to keep this in mind when it comes 0:11:11.744 --> 0:11:14.224 to these celebrities, and it's something we're going to talk 0:11:14.224 --> 0:11:17.424 about in part two of this episode because Taylor Swift 0:11:17.464 --> 0:11:21.264 obviously comes into it as well. Everything these people say 0:11:21.824 --> 0:11:25.664 is for a reason, unless they're like super new artists, 0:11:25.784 --> 0:11:28.424 or they're coming from the Internet where there's less kind 0:11:28.424 --> 0:11:32.264 of management and pr around it and it's sometimes a 0:11:32.264 --> 0:11:32.984 bit more organic. 0:11:33.264 --> 0:11:36.624 I don't know, call me skeptical. I just think. 0:11:36.464 --> 0:11:39.664 Everything is for a reason. And like I said, she 0:11:39.744 --> 0:11:40.504 has to stay. 0:11:40.264 --> 0:11:41.784 In the new sackle minute to minute. 0:11:41.824 --> 0:11:43.504 She can't be thinking about how is this going to 0:11:43.544 --> 0:11:46.464 read in ten years because also in ten years' time, 0:11:46.784 --> 0:11:49.584 think of all the media that would have happened in 0:11:49.624 --> 0:11:51.904 between them and now the albums and the songs and 0:11:51.904 --> 0:11:52.424 the gossip. 0:11:52.784 --> 0:11:53.904 Will we even remember? 0:11:53.984 --> 0:11:57.464 Are artists even thinking about their legacy anymore when everything 0:11:57.544 --> 0:11:58.104 is so quick? 0:11:58.704 --> 0:11:59.824 But I get what you're saying. 0:11:59.944 --> 0:12:01.944 If Please, Please Please is her biggest song ever and 0:12:01.984 --> 0:12:04.104 her boyfriend at the time is in the video. 0:12:04.584 --> 0:12:07.144 Look that could be cringe. I'll give you that. What 0:12:07.184 --> 0:12:08.584 if he turns out to be problematic. 0:12:08.864 --> 0:12:12.024 What if he says something very racist and gets canceled 0:12:12.064 --> 0:12:13.344 and then she stuck with this video. 0:12:13.744 --> 0:12:15.704 It's the risky take, birds. 0:12:15.264 --> 0:12:17.224 It's the risk your take. We will be getting more 0:12:17.304 --> 0:12:19.264 into this interview after the break. 0:12:20.864 --> 0:12:24.104 So quote from Sabrina in this writing interview, she said, 0:12:24.104 --> 0:12:27.344 I'm nine hundred inappropriate jokes away from being a Disney actor, but. 0:12:27.424 --> 0:12:30.104 People still see me that way now. 0:12:30.144 --> 0:12:32.184 I don't know if it's just because we're in Australia 0:12:32.424 --> 0:12:34.984 and all of us had the same kind of access 0:12:35.024 --> 0:12:38.024 to Disney personas maybe I'm just too old. 0:12:38.504 --> 0:12:41.104 But do you agree with this am? Do you see 0:12:41.104 --> 0:12:43.104 her as still a Disney actor or. 0:12:43.064 --> 0:12:46.944 As a post No, I don't see her as a 0:12:46.984 --> 0:12:49.984 Disney actor. And I think what you're saying there is false. 0:12:50.024 --> 0:12:53.024 I think that's something that Disney kids are trained to 0:12:53.144 --> 0:12:55.944 say because the Disney kids before them said it, and 0:12:55.984 --> 0:12:58.464 they just keep saying it and saying it. So every 0:12:58.544 --> 0:13:00.544 time they feel like their career is kind of like 0:13:00.544 --> 0:13:03.864 in a weird lull or like someone's questioning them, it's 0:13:03.864 --> 0:13:05.664 like a safety net for them to be like, I'm 0:13:05.664 --> 0:13:07.504 still trying to get out of that Disney Sace I'm 0:13:07.544 --> 0:13:09.424 still trying to like make a name for myself. And 0:13:09.464 --> 0:13:11.584 I don't know if that's me talking from an older 0:13:11.624 --> 0:13:13.784 person's perspective because I was actually too old to see 0:13:13.784 --> 0:13:16.424 her on Disney Channel. Maybe like the younger generation do 0:13:16.544 --> 0:13:18.704 know her as a Disney star. I know her from 0:13:18.744 --> 0:13:20.744 The Kissing Boot That's the first time I saw her, 0:13:20.864 --> 0:13:23.744 which was a whole netflixed movie. Yeah, yeah, and I 0:13:23.824 --> 0:13:26.784 just thought she was like really quirky, really cute, really small. 0:13:26.944 --> 0:13:29.424 She was also in this movie called Tall Girl, which 0:13:29.424 --> 0:13:30.424 she was like the tiny. 0:13:30.664 --> 0:13:34.344 God she was in Tall Girls. I've never seen the 0:13:34.344 --> 0:13:37.064 actual film. I agree with you. I think maybe it 0:13:37.144 --> 0:13:40.664 is an Australia thing on age thing, But if anything, 0:13:40.704 --> 0:13:42.864 I think she's just known for being so little. 0:13:42.944 --> 0:13:45.904 So little and cute and a little like beautiful bombshell. 0:13:46.064 --> 0:13:46.624 Yeah. 0:13:46.744 --> 0:13:48.184 I might got in trouble for saying this, but I 0:13:48.184 --> 0:13:51.264 think putting everything on like people knowing me as a 0:13:51.264 --> 0:13:52.664 Disney actor is a bit of cop out. 0:13:52.864 --> 0:13:55.144 Yeah maybe, and Alvisoly, if we look at like a 0:13:55.144 --> 0:13:57.864 lot of the other artists that have tried to break 0:13:57.904 --> 0:14:01.224 free from that, even Jojo Siwa, maybe it's an excuse 0:14:01.344 --> 0:14:05.624 for them going very quickly, very overtly into the kind 0:14:05.624 --> 0:14:09.104 of sexual side. Yeah, I don't know, because there's a 0:14:09.144 --> 0:14:11.744 big difference between the year old actor and a seventeen 0:14:11.784 --> 0:14:14.264 year old pop star. I'm you're a person and a 0:14:14.344 --> 0:14:17.424 seventeen year old person. So I think maybe there doesn't 0:14:17.424 --> 0:14:19.744 need to be an excuse because people should just understand 0:14:19.864 --> 0:14:23.144 that now and you think, oh, she's saying the A word, 0:14:23.144 --> 0:14:24.664 and then I'm like, oh, she's in her mid third. 0:14:24.704 --> 0:14:28.264 It's like she's allowed. Maybe we just need to be 0:14:28.384 --> 0:14:29.584 like that've grown up. 0:14:29.704 --> 0:14:32.024 But yeah, they're growing up, Miley. 0:14:31.904 --> 0:14:35.824 Like that is that whole like smoking weed, hump and stuff. 0:14:36.544 --> 0:14:36.824 You know. 0:14:37.504 --> 0:14:40.544 Yeah, I one hundred percent agree like Britney Spears Miley, 0:14:40.624 --> 0:14:43.064 I think they definitely went through the whole, like trying 0:14:43.104 --> 0:14:46.264 to escape the Disney branding, and I think because of them, 0:14:46.304 --> 0:14:50.144 we become more forgiving of the next generation who were 0:14:50.184 --> 0:14:54.744 Disney stars. But I don't think Sabrina Carpenter really had 0:14:54.784 --> 0:14:59.144 that issue, and I don't think she should blame people 0:14:59.344 --> 0:15:01.624 seeing her as a Disney actor on like where her 0:15:01.624 --> 0:15:02.344 career is now. 0:15:03.424 --> 0:15:05.904 Let's be honest, if you look at her discography, she's 0:15:05.984 --> 0:15:08.584 made a lot of music. She's not like one album 0:15:08.704 --> 0:15:10.264 d but I think she needs to maybe give her 0:15:10.344 --> 0:15:12.344 suff a bit more credit, if anything, and maybe give 0:15:12.344 --> 0:15:13.504 audience is a bit more credit. 0:15:13.784 --> 0:15:18.624 Especially younger generations now, like they're just more forgiving, they're 0:15:18.624 --> 0:15:20.344 more aware of the world. 0:15:20.984 --> 0:15:23.584 We're more forgiving in women being sexualized, I mean, not 0:15:23.624 --> 0:15:26.944 as much as we should. Yeah, she does talk about 0:15:26.984 --> 0:15:29.544 it a lot, this whole like Disney style, I'm trying 0:15:29.544 --> 0:15:31.384 to get out of it. I think now it's time 0:15:31.424 --> 0:15:34.784 to just embrace the new her and where her career 0:15:34.824 --> 0:15:36.584 is at at the moment and just kind of move 0:15:36.664 --> 0:15:38.824 on from it. But like you said, that's such a 0:15:38.824 --> 0:15:40.784 great point. She's taking cues off the people that have 0:15:40.824 --> 0:15:42.744 gone before. But yeah, she's like worked. 0:15:42.544 --> 0:15:44.824 Really hard to re establish herself, like she too with 0:15:44.904 --> 0:15:45.824 f Taylor Swift. 0:15:45.904 --> 0:15:50.264 For goodness sakes, Like speaking of Taylor Swift, she did 0:15:50.304 --> 0:15:52.744 talk about her and talking about taking cues. I think 0:15:52.784 --> 0:15:54.264 she takes a lot of cues from Taylor. 0:15:54.904 --> 0:16:00.984 Absolutely, And I think especially when we imagine I don't 0:16:00.984 --> 0:16:03.184 want to use the word contrived because it's not contrived. 0:16:03.664 --> 0:16:06.184 Maybe this little bit, but there are teams of people 0:16:06.304 --> 0:16:09.864 around the likes of Sabrina Carpenter and Taylor Swift. 0:16:10.464 --> 0:16:14.304 Everything is more controlled than we think. So I think 0:16:14.344 --> 0:16:17.104 for this Variety interview, there would have been meetings with 0:16:17.264 --> 0:16:20.704 PR people. There would have been meetings with marketing, with 0:16:20.824 --> 0:16:24.784 the teams to really go over the messaging, the kind 0:16:24.824 --> 0:16:27.264 of responses we're going to be giving, the kind of 0:16:27.264 --> 0:16:29.784 things we want to put out, which is especially important 0:16:29.824 --> 0:16:32.424 when we think about the fact that this interview did 0:16:32.464 --> 0:16:35.384 touch on the Skims campaign that Sabrina did. Now, for 0:16:35.424 --> 0:16:37.824 those who don't know Kim kardashi and tell Us, I 0:16:37.984 --> 0:16:42.304 have got some history. Kim Kardashian owns Skims. Sabrina did 0:16:42.304 --> 0:16:46.344 a Skims campaign while still in Taylor's inner circle. I 0:16:46.384 --> 0:16:50.184 think she just wrapped up the era's support when she 0:16:50.264 --> 0:16:50.584 did it. 0:16:50.584 --> 0:16:53.264 It was very close together. I corrected, it was a lot. 0:16:53.344 --> 0:16:55.424 I have a feeling she was out here in Pellegrino 0:16:55.704 --> 0:16:58.864 in Surrey Hills that all went down. 0:16:59.304 --> 0:17:01.504 Yes, So she has given a quote in this interview. 0:17:01.544 --> 0:17:04.824 She said the post about me having to ask for permission. No, 0:17:05.024 --> 0:17:06.784 she's one of my best best friends and we grabbed 0:17:06.784 --> 0:17:08.504 dinner or text and catch up like you would with 0:17:08.544 --> 0:17:10.864 your best friend, which is a great quote. Makes Taylor 0:17:10.904 --> 0:17:13.424 look good, It makes her look good. It comes out 0:17:13.464 --> 0:17:15.744 of beef when we think about it, like she couldn't 0:17:15.744 --> 0:17:17.784 say no to it? What if it got out that 0:17:17.864 --> 0:17:21.304 she said no, and then Taylor Swift looks bad because 0:17:21.304 --> 0:17:23.704 it's like you're stopping your friend from making money. 0:17:24.344 --> 0:17:26.384 I think, and this thought has just come to me. 0:17:26.584 --> 0:17:29.584 Oh, I think it's genius by Kim Kardashian because if 0:17:29.624 --> 0:17:32.424 Kim Kardashian reached out off with the contract and then 0:17:32.424 --> 0:17:37.304 it was like snubbed by Sabrina, that's a worse look 0:17:37.424 --> 0:17:37.984 for Taylor. 0:17:38.144 --> 0:17:40.704 Yeah, that's a headline right there. But I also think 0:17:40.704 --> 0:17:45.104 it's genius for Taylor because one hundred percent, like I 0:17:45.144 --> 0:17:47.944 know she said she didn't, but I am certain that 0:17:48.024 --> 0:17:50.824 Sabrina Carpenter would have had to ask Taylor Swift, of course, 0:17:51.024 --> 0:17:52.664 can I do this discussion? 0:17:52.904 --> 0:17:56.704 At the very least, Sabrina's people called Taylor's people and yes, 0:17:56.984 --> 0:17:59.184 this is the thing. How are we going to handle this? 0:17:59.464 --> 0:18:01.864 What's the messaging going to be? And they all would 0:18:01.864 --> 0:18:02.344 have agreed. 0:18:03.384 --> 0:18:05.544 They would have agreed, and Taylor's team would have been like, 0:18:05.904 --> 0:18:07.984 you just have to talk about how great Taylor Swift 0:18:08.064 --> 0:18:10.264 is as a friend, because every time she talks about 0:18:10.384 --> 0:18:13.464 the skims campaign, it's always accompanied with how good Taylor 0:18:13.504 --> 0:18:15.464 Swift is as a friend, and. 0:18:15.544 --> 0:18:18.304 She's the best theories. Her people are the best series. 0:18:18.584 --> 0:18:22.144 She's the best theories. She will turn any situation that happened. 0:18:22.184 --> 0:18:25.144 She could run over an old person and would all 0:18:25.144 --> 0:18:26.024 be thinking at the end of it. 0:18:26.424 --> 0:18:32.664 It's the best little win win. Yes, Sabrina wins, Taylor win. 0:18:32.824 --> 0:18:35.784 It's literally like the perfect case study of how to 0:18:35.864 --> 0:18:38.184 navigate business within a feud YEP. 0:18:38.384 --> 0:18:40.584 Couldn't agree more. Wrap it up, Wrap it up ten 0:18:40.624 --> 0:18:41.904 out of ten. Love done, girls. 0:18:42.944 --> 0:18:44.904 Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 0:18:44.944 --> 0:18:47.944 Thank you Ash for joining us. This was so much fun. 0:18:49.904 --> 0:18:52.104 It's always so lovely to be on this podcast and 0:18:52.264 --> 0:18:55.064