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Speaker 1: You're listening to I'm Mom with Me, a podcast from

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Speaker 1: Mom and Mia. Welcome to this spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 1: culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Tina Burke.

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Speaker 2: Mommy is pop culture and social editor, not to be

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Speaker 2: confused with Love Island Australia winner Tina Crovis. We also

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Speaker 2: have on the pod sometimes and some spillers have let

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Speaker 2: us know they were confused about the two teenas.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have two teenas. It's very filling, just like

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Speaker 1: and that's more teena's that I've known in my entire life.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say now we're looking with but maybe

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Speaker 1: when each of you introduce yourself, you can add like

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Speaker 1: a little fun to it, a little special start to

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Speaker 1: like know which Tina is which. We also discuss the

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Speaker 1: possibility of changing names, but neither of you went for that.

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Speaker 2: Well, if anyone really want a suggestion for me, I'm open,

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Speaker 2: open and willing to change TV in the office.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so everyone calls me LB. Even the spill has

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Speaker 1: call me LB. Now, oh that's nice, So we could

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Speaker 1: call you TV. We could because a little because it's

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Speaker 1: what people use for tuberculosis. I mean, I don't mind it.

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Speaker 1: I've allowed it to happen, but it does stand for

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Speaker 1: tuberculos something to think. I mean, look, there's no perfect nickname, no,

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Speaker 1: but anyway, you are Tina of Office mum mea Tina. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there we go Office Mumma mea Tina. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: long name. But it's very important that you're here today

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Speaker 1: because for the main topic we're discussing on today's show.

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Speaker 1: I did message over the weekend and said I will

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Speaker 1: just shut up on Monday's episode and let you do

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Speaker 1: all the talking, because I know in your culture this

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Speaker 1: is like a big religious event. And by my culture

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Speaker 1: you mean the culture of Ireland. When I met cot

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift is like your culture, your religion,

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Speaker 1: your fandom, all the things rolled into one. So she

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Speaker 1: released the video for Opalite over the weekend. Lots of discourse,

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Speaker 1: lots of hidden Easter eggs. The girl was in full

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift MO, We're gonna get into that because I

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Speaker 1: think there's so many things that people missed. But first

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Speaker 1: to another young blonde lady smoking headline.

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Speaker 2: But first we have something to discuss, which is taken

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Speaker 2: over the Internet and the world and the spilled TikTok account.

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Speaker 1: If anyone's keeping tabs there, you always tell what Tina's

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Speaker 1: like current obsession is if you go to the spell

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Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram, because you post all of our like

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Speaker 1: edits like red Carpet with my little meme rounder, and

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Speaker 1: I can always see who you're crushing on or who

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Speaker 1: you're obsessing with. I mean, if it was really my

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Speaker 1: personal taste, it would just be a litis forman twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: But it is about Weathering Heights and the press tool

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Speaker 2: that is accompanying the Weathering Heights big really, so they

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Speaker 2: have been all over the world Muga Robbie and Jacob Elodi.

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Speaker 2: They kicked off the press Tool like two weeks ago

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Speaker 2: with their first sort of official junkets and interviews in

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Speaker 2: like what this press tool would look like, and we

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Speaker 2: were able to then see because we didn't an episode

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Speaker 2: of this a few weeks ago when they first kicked off,

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Speaker 2: we were able to sort of see exactly how they

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Speaker 2: were going to play the dynamic between the two of them,

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Speaker 2: which is like we're in love but only through our characters,

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Speaker 2: not really in real life or obsessed with each other

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Speaker 2: and we're just nerdy theater kids. And it would be

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Speaker 2: so nice if Jacob Elodi was someone's boyfriend but not mine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he brought me process for Valentine's Day. A

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Speaker 1: great way to put it, Like, people are loving their dynamic,

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Speaker 1: and the whole reason they're releasing it now out of

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Speaker 1: like an Oscar drop period or something like that, is

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Speaker 1: so what will tie into Valentine's Day? Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: this whole like weird desperately in the love and not

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Speaker 2: And some people were mad that they were like a

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Speaker 2: fair baiting for me. No, I think they've now because

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Speaker 2: like you see the two of them together and it

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Speaker 2: is genuinely so platonic. They're like two best friends having

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Speaker 2: the vibe of these bits aren't making the headlines. But

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Speaker 2: he does bring up like her baby and her husband.

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Speaker 1: And still all the time. Yeah, he's obsessed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: hiding it very well. No, let's not start any more grievs.

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Speaker 1: But yes, so they started their press store.

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Speaker 2: We saw what that would look like, but we also

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Speaker 2: obviously got a taste of like Margo's dress sense throughout

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Speaker 2: So she is working once again with like Andrew mccammel,

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Speaker 1: So she used to work with Kate Young. I actually

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Speaker 1: Kate Young. I mean, isn't Kate Young with kind of

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Speaker 1: like a dirty word to say to the Margot fandom,

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Speaker 1: Like the fandom is that woman. I'm just saying that

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Speaker 2: Obviously, Margot was a Chanelle ambassador kind she still is,

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Speaker 2: by the way, but she's just not contractually I think

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Speaker 2: obliged to wear as many pieces anymore. But so she

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Speaker 2: used to do method dressing. She did it for Birds

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Speaker 2: definitely a shift in the way that she would dress

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Speaker 2: She actually said at the La premiere that like he

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Speaker 1: Matron, even with some of the things that man's point some.

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Speaker 2: Of these looks, and so they've really done like a

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Speaker 2: mix if anyone hasn't seen for the Red Carpet of

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Speaker 1: It's all very like Gothic. I would say, a little

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Speaker 1: feathers that would be so beautiful, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: Of the costuming and the promo for this movie, so

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Speaker 2: she looks incredible everywhere she goes.

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Speaker 2: But as well as the fact that she looks incredible

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Speaker 1: So she's got these really big looks, but then very

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Speaker 1: didn't like the safe space, Yeah, just just just direll

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Speaker 2: Nothing that I didn't necessarily like. I didn't love the

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Speaker 1: You know why. It's the most basic bitch. It's no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: This is like when Taylor's was the same person. We're

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Speaker 2: Casual looks, Like she wore these jeans with like a

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Speaker 2: And I did love the Mazello look because they also

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Speaker 1: And I was like, that's a level of detail. Man.

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Speaker 1: I was not going to give giving out oscars for

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Speaker 2: wize because at the La Premiere, where she did wear

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Speaker 2: the Scaparelli gown, Margo also wore the Elizabeth Taylor heart

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Speaker 2: shaped like it's called the taj Mahal Diamond. It's cardia

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Speaker 1: So what she's referring to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you know it, like even people who

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies Oscar. So I get what Margo is saying. However,

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Speaker 1: When she was asked about in The Red Carpet, she

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Speaker 1: very much kind of Kathy and Heathcliff from the novel,

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Speaker 1: and it's this huge part of like pop culture history,

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Speaker 1: the Elizabeth Taylor necklace did that. It ticked all the

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Speaker 1: might really like that reference. No, it was just people

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00:18:04,514 --> 00:18:06,434
Speaker 1: think they found the moment on The Grave Beard Show

434
00:18:06,634 --> 00:18:08,554
Speaker 1: where she comes up with the idea, and I actually

435
00:18:08,634 --> 00:18:09,914
Speaker 1: kind of think that's true when I looked at the

436
00:18:09,994 --> 00:18:10,354
Speaker 1: video of.

437
00:18:10,274 --> 00:18:12,513
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, one hundred percent. It's like the first time

438
00:18:12,514 --> 00:18:14,834
Speaker 2: I've ever seen live in action the whole Like it's

439
00:18:14,834 --> 00:18:16,793
Speaker 2: a Chris Jenna quote. Funnily enough, but it's like, what

440
00:18:16,834 --> 00:18:19,874
Speaker 2: if you just called Taylor off? Yeah, like in action.

441
00:18:19,954 --> 00:18:21,114
Speaker 1: He was just like I kind of want to dance

442
00:18:21,114 --> 00:18:23,954
Speaker 1: in a tailors with music video haha, and she was like, great, idea,

443
00:18:24,034 --> 00:18:25,234
Speaker 1: let's do it. Yeah. Yeah.

444
00:18:25,274 --> 00:18:28,073
Speaker 2: But it was interesting because obviously, like that conversation happened

445
00:18:28,074 --> 00:18:31,074
Speaker 2: on the show and everyone thought that was cute and funny,

446
00:18:31,354 --> 00:18:35,074
Speaker 2: but there was an overwhelming thing that happened online afterwards.

447
00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:37,954
Speaker 2: Where people were accusing everyone on that couch of hating

448
00:18:37,994 --> 00:18:40,154
Speaker 2: her guts, hating being in her presence.

449
00:18:40,314 --> 00:18:42,513
Speaker 1: Yes, this is what I thought was really interesting. And

450
00:18:42,514 --> 00:18:44,354
Speaker 1: the whole part of the Tailors of Music video that

451
00:18:44,354 --> 00:18:46,513
Speaker 1: I don't know if enough people are talking about is

452
00:18:46,554 --> 00:18:49,194
Speaker 1: the fact that that was the only moment from her

453
00:18:49,194 --> 00:18:51,114
Speaker 1: big press to her for life of a show girl

454
00:18:51,434 --> 00:18:53,754
Speaker 1: where people kind of almost turned against her. And it

455
00:18:53,794 --> 00:18:56,274
Speaker 1: was from being on the Graham Norton Show, because yes,

456
00:18:56,314 --> 00:18:58,874
Speaker 1: people thought that she was trying to take down other

457
00:18:58,954 --> 00:19:01,114
Speaker 1: musicians on the couch. People thought that she was beefing

458
00:19:01,154 --> 00:19:03,834
Speaker 1: with people. People thought that Killia and Murphy was like

459
00:19:03,914 --> 00:19:06,194
Speaker 1: questioning all of his life choices having to be on

460
00:19:06,234 --> 00:19:08,634
Speaker 1: the couch with her. Any of those things were real,

461
00:19:08,714 --> 00:19:11,394
Speaker 1: but like that was the discourse after was on a

462
00:19:11,394 --> 00:19:14,194
Speaker 1: big level. And like, I'm a massive Killian Murphy fan.

463
00:19:14,674 --> 00:19:17,314
Speaker 1: I know down as the one person when you said

464
00:19:17,354 --> 00:19:19,513
Speaker 1: that interview comes up, You're doing it. I'll tackle Laura

465
00:19:19,554 --> 00:19:21,234
Speaker 1: for the opportunity, but then I'll be too scared to

466
00:19:21,274 --> 00:19:23,994
Speaker 1: do it. But I love that boy so much, and

467
00:19:24,274 --> 00:19:27,074
Speaker 1: he literally there's a whole meme and joke around the

468
00:19:27,074 --> 00:19:28,914
Speaker 1: fact that he has like a resting bitch face. It's

469
00:19:28,914 --> 00:19:31,154
Speaker 1: like a resting Killian face. There's whole things of him

470
00:19:31,154 --> 00:19:33,274
Speaker 1: in press, drunk, it's like staring off into the distance

471
00:19:33,274 --> 00:19:37,154
Speaker 1: and just like dissociating. So that's just his face and

472
00:19:37,274 --> 00:19:39,154
Speaker 1: all of these like I actually have a soft spot

473
00:19:39,194 --> 00:19:40,994
Speaker 1: for him because he doesn't act like that from what

474
00:19:41,034 --> 00:19:43,474
Speaker 1: I've actually had to interviewed him. But he doesn't act

475
00:19:43,514 --> 00:19:45,034
Speaker 1: like that from what I can tell, because he thinks

476
00:19:45,034 --> 00:19:47,234
Speaker 1: he's too good to be interviewed. He acts like that

477
00:19:47,274 --> 00:19:50,234
Speaker 1: because one he's quite shy. Yeah, and he's a real ponderer.

478
00:19:50,434 --> 00:19:52,354
Speaker 1: He's a pondra. And he's on the record of saying like,

479
00:19:52,554 --> 00:19:55,274
Speaker 1: I'm not against doing press. I think it's really important

480
00:19:55,354 --> 00:19:57,594
Speaker 1: not just to promote the movie, but to have those conversations.

481
00:19:57,594 --> 00:19:59,513
Speaker 1: But he's like, I think the way we do press

482
00:20:00,154 --> 00:20:02,674
Speaker 1: is broken, and we need to have to keep Eatingholt

483
00:20:02,674 --> 00:20:05,594
Speaker 1: wings and stuff and like answers silly questions and things.

484
00:20:05,594 --> 00:20:07,354
Speaker 1: It's like Catherine Ohara was saying, which is like I'm

485
00:20:07,354 --> 00:20:10,553
Speaker 1: happy to do yeah, press, but like make it smart,

486
00:20:10,554 --> 00:20:12,513
Speaker 1: make it funny. I just have taste. And I think

487
00:20:12,554 --> 00:20:15,194
Speaker 1: Killia Murphy is also a bit like I also have taste, yes,

488
00:20:15,314 --> 00:20:18,434
Speaker 1: and justin comes across as being like angry or aloose,

489
00:20:18,474 --> 00:20:20,273
Speaker 1: and I think people thought that he was acting that

490
00:20:20,314 --> 00:20:21,674
Speaker 1: way towards taylor'swe.

491
00:20:21,434 --> 00:20:24,114
Speaker 2: Which is so funny because Okay, so as a Killia

492
00:20:24,194 --> 00:20:26,354
Speaker 2: Murphy fan, obviously, like my algorithm is both of them.

493
00:20:26,394 --> 00:20:27,954
Speaker 1: So I was seeing both sides. I'm seeing people be.

494
00:20:27,994 --> 00:20:29,594
Speaker 2: Like, we love her so much, and then I'm getting

495
00:20:29,594 --> 00:20:31,513
Speaker 2: fed that content at the time of people being like

496
00:20:31,594 --> 00:20:35,154
Speaker 2: Killian can't stand her, and they're clipping like minuscule moments

497
00:20:35,194 --> 00:20:38,394
Speaker 2: where his face is like just blank, like nothing's going on.

498
00:20:38,634 --> 00:20:40,594
Speaker 2: But throughout the show, like he referenced the fact that

499
00:20:40,634 --> 00:20:42,714
Speaker 2: she'd met and spoken with his sons. They call his

500
00:20:42,754 --> 00:20:44,074
Speaker 2: son out from the audience to.

501
00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:46,154
Speaker 1: Be like, oh my god, Taylor remembers you. How cute.

502
00:20:46,314 --> 00:20:48,114
Speaker 2: When there's stuff showing on the screen about like the

503
00:20:48,154 --> 00:20:50,914
Speaker 2: eras touring the friendship bracelets, people were like, he's ignoring her.

504
00:20:50,994 --> 00:20:53,354
Speaker 2: He literally leans forward to like see the photos and

505
00:20:53,394 --> 00:20:55,554
Speaker 2: he's like pointing at them and smiling like it's actually

506
00:20:55,554 --> 00:20:58,154
Speaker 2: one of the more animated moments I've ever seen of

507
00:20:58,234 --> 00:21:00,394
Speaker 2: killing him the time of his life, that man, his

508
00:21:00,474 --> 00:21:02,874
Speaker 2: face just physically cannot reflect it. Yeah, And I think

509
00:21:02,874 --> 00:21:04,833
Speaker 2: he probably just had no feeling like he's probably like,

510
00:21:04,954 --> 00:21:06,754
Speaker 2: that was a nice lady, she's a good singer.

511
00:21:07,314 --> 00:21:09,914
Speaker 1: Whatever. That was fine. He probably had no big opinions.

512
00:21:10,154 --> 00:21:12,514
Speaker 2: But then obviously this discourse started that was, yeah, oh

513
00:21:12,514 --> 00:21:14,114
Speaker 2: my god, everyone on that couch hates.

514
00:21:13,874 --> 00:21:16,634
Speaker 1: Her way she was. Lewis Capaldy of it all too,

515
00:21:16,714 --> 00:21:19,234
Speaker 1: because he was on the couch and he announced his

516
00:21:19,274 --> 00:21:21,553
Speaker 1: new album and he kind of did this thing that

517
00:21:21,594 --> 00:21:23,194
Speaker 1: picked up a lot of attenure where he was like, Oh,

518
00:21:23,234 --> 00:21:25,313
Speaker 1: I've been told I'm not allowed to announce it, and

519
00:21:25,314 --> 00:21:27,634
Speaker 1: everyone on the couch goes oh, especially Taylor. She goes,

520
00:21:27,674 --> 00:21:29,553
Speaker 1: oh what what And he goes, oh, but fuck it,

521
00:21:29,594 --> 00:21:31,273
Speaker 1: like it's coming out there and it's about this, it's

522
00:21:31,314 --> 00:21:35,514
Speaker 1: about that. And then everyone thought that Taylor Swift's management

523
00:21:35,554 --> 00:21:38,634
Speaker 1: had told his management that he wasn't allowed to announce

524
00:21:38,674 --> 00:21:41,553
Speaker 1: a new album while she was doing the tour for

525
00:21:41,674 --> 00:21:44,274
Speaker 1: her album, and that she had tried to block him,

526
00:21:44,474 --> 00:21:45,994
Speaker 1: and that he had come out to the couch and

527
00:21:46,154 --> 00:21:49,634
Speaker 1: basically had to throw down with her on almost live television,

528
00:21:49,874 --> 00:21:52,194
Speaker 1: and Lewis had come out afterwards and interviews and said

529
00:21:52,194 --> 00:21:54,234
Speaker 1: that was not the case. So Taylor was not trying

530
00:21:54,234 --> 00:21:57,514
Speaker 1: to take him down. But the Taylor versus Lewis Capaldi's

531
00:21:57,554 --> 00:21:59,354
Speaker 1: situation went on for quite a.

532
00:21:59,394 --> 00:22:02,793
Speaker 2: While, especially because people love to accuse Taylor Swift of

533
00:22:02,834 --> 00:22:05,194
Speaker 2: like chart blocking, like it's a whole thing where she

534
00:22:05,234 --> 00:22:05,714
Speaker 2: does do it.

535
00:22:06,714 --> 00:22:09,073
Speaker 1: Look, I'll admit it, I've seen her do it. She

536
00:22:09,154 --> 00:22:12,074
Speaker 1: does it, but also chart loooking. She'll re release a

537
00:22:12,154 --> 00:22:13,514
Speaker 1: song or she'll release like an.

538
00:22:13,474 --> 00:22:16,354
Speaker 2: Acoustic version of like a song that's already out to

539
00:22:16,394 --> 00:22:18,474
Speaker 2: try to boost the numbers, and it usually works. Yeah,

540
00:22:18,474 --> 00:22:19,794
Speaker 2: so then it goes to the top of the charts

541
00:22:19,794 --> 00:22:23,074
Speaker 2: and it knocks other artists. But what I would also

542
00:22:23,114 --> 00:22:25,034
Speaker 2: say is that if you can re release a song

543
00:22:25,074 --> 00:22:26,634
Speaker 2: that's already been out for a month and a half

544
00:22:26,634 --> 00:22:28,674
Speaker 2: and it pushes it back up into the chart data,

545
00:22:28,994 --> 00:22:30,634
Speaker 2: well then I guess you're just number one man.

546
00:22:30,914 --> 00:22:33,354
Speaker 1: Like I don't know. I mean, there's that side of it.

547
00:22:33,394 --> 00:22:36,074
Speaker 1: There's the other side to sort of losing her artistic

548
00:22:36,154 --> 00:22:38,434
Speaker 1: integrity when she does that. Yeah, by and I think

549
00:22:38,474 --> 00:22:40,474
Speaker 1: that's a valid criticism. You know, that's one of the

550
00:22:40,514 --> 00:22:42,714
Speaker 1: times where she is a bad billionaire because the rest

551
00:22:42,754 --> 00:22:44,074
Speaker 1: of the time people say she's not where she was,

552
00:22:44,114 --> 00:22:45,833
Speaker 1: just like it's like she just those whack a mole

553
00:22:45,914 --> 00:22:47,634
Speaker 1: things and she sees another artist coming up and she's

554
00:22:47,674 --> 00:22:51,474
Speaker 1: like whack whack and like knocks them back down. But

555
00:22:51,634 --> 00:22:53,033
Speaker 1: you're right, if she can do it, if she can

556
00:22:53,074 --> 00:22:55,034
Speaker 1: do it with a re release, it's very like it's

557
00:22:55,034 --> 00:22:57,994
Speaker 1: not becoming. It's not becoming of a lady who kind

558
00:22:57,994 --> 00:23:00,754
Speaker 1: of fashions herself as like a champion of other artists

559
00:23:00,754 --> 00:23:02,874
Speaker 1: when she does. That's a valid criticism for sure, But

560
00:23:02,954 --> 00:23:04,954
Speaker 1: in this case, like, I don't think that's what was

561
00:23:04,994 --> 00:23:06,634
Speaker 1: going on. No, I don't think she was trying to

562
00:23:06,754 --> 00:23:08,714
Speaker 1: smack down Lewis Capaldi and then you called her out

563
00:23:08,754 --> 00:23:10,273
Speaker 1: on TV. But that was the story for a very

564
00:23:10,314 --> 00:23:12,594
Speaker 1: long time, so it was. I think it's quite interesting

565
00:23:12,634 --> 00:23:16,074
Speaker 1: that she had this one appearance on her whole big

566
00:23:16,114 --> 00:23:19,954
Speaker 1: press tour where she came out looking like a pariah

567
00:23:19,994 --> 00:23:22,273
Speaker 1: in a way, just to one group of people, and

568
00:23:22,274 --> 00:23:25,594
Speaker 1: then she chose those people in that moment to make

569
00:23:25,634 --> 00:23:28,674
Speaker 1: her next big music video, which is.

570
00:23:28,834 --> 00:23:32,074
Speaker 2: Very classic Taylor Swift of like, if something bad happens,

571
00:23:32,354 --> 00:23:35,434
Speaker 2: here's how I'm going to twist it as a bit

572
00:23:35,474 --> 00:23:37,234
Speaker 2: of a like fuck you to look to the people

573
00:23:37,234 --> 00:23:38,274
Speaker 2: who said this about me.

574
00:23:38,354 --> 00:23:40,314
Speaker 1: And the thing is It's really clever because there were

575
00:23:40,354 --> 00:23:43,354
Speaker 1: still people who thought that she was beefing with Gretely

576
00:23:43,714 --> 00:23:46,394
Speaker 1: or Chillian or Lewis, and now the fact that they've

577
00:23:46,394 --> 00:23:48,754
Speaker 1: all taken part in her music video in some way

578
00:23:48,994 --> 00:23:51,514
Speaker 1: has squashed that. Twigs that they've all taken the time

579
00:23:51,554 --> 00:23:53,313
Speaker 1: out of their lives at very short notice to just

580
00:23:53,354 --> 00:23:56,314
Speaker 1: go film this random thing. Obviously snow beef here. We

581
00:23:56,434 --> 00:23:59,314
Speaker 1: had a bit of fun. But that brings us to

582
00:23:59,354 --> 00:24:01,714
Speaker 1: the actual Yes, Okay, this is what you really wanted

583
00:24:01,714 --> 00:24:04,034
Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah, you just tend to just put

584
00:24:04,074 --> 00:24:04,794
Speaker 1: out a thesis.

585
00:24:05,634 --> 00:24:08,194
Speaker 2: I've got my notebook radio ago, so I have to say, like,

586
00:24:08,354 --> 00:24:11,434
Speaker 2: obviously I'm ten toes down for Taylor Swift. I love

587
00:24:11,474 --> 00:24:13,754
Speaker 2: that girl, and I can also point out her flaws. However,

588
00:24:13,754 --> 00:24:16,234
Speaker 2: her music video is not one of performs. Yeah, her

589
00:24:16,274 --> 00:24:18,674
Speaker 2: music videos are great. That's why I was really excited

590
00:24:18,714 --> 00:24:20,394
Speaker 2: for it, because she does that old school thing. And

591
00:24:20,434 --> 00:24:22,034
Speaker 2: that's all we're saying for life of a show girl

592
00:24:22,034 --> 00:24:25,793
Speaker 2: that we saw in the cinema together, we saw we

593
00:24:25,834 --> 00:24:28,354
Speaker 2: saw her last music video in a cinema experience, you

594
00:24:28,394 --> 00:24:30,234
Speaker 2: and me side by side on a Saturday morning.

595
00:24:30,474 --> 00:24:31,954
Speaker 1: Kind of wish I could have seen this in the cinema.

596
00:24:31,994 --> 00:24:33,754
Speaker 1: To be honest as well, I would have loved behind

597
00:24:33,754 --> 00:24:35,554
Speaker 1: the scenes of this one. Oh my god, me too

598
00:24:36,154 --> 00:24:38,114
Speaker 1: was that I would have taken a documentary on the

599
00:24:38,154 --> 00:24:40,634
Speaker 1: making of this music video of the open Lite music video.

600
00:24:40,834 --> 00:24:43,553
Speaker 1: But yeah, the attention to detail and this idea of

601
00:24:43,594 --> 00:24:46,674
Speaker 1: like making each music video work of art is something

602
00:24:46,714 --> 00:24:48,313
Speaker 1: that artists used to do a lot more because that

603
00:24:48,434 --> 00:24:50,194
Speaker 1: was their main way to sell it. Now they have

604
00:24:50,234 --> 00:24:53,034
Speaker 1: social media, I personally find that the art of the

605
00:24:53,154 --> 00:24:56,234
Speaker 1: music video has disappeared, and I think Taylorstif kind of

606
00:24:56,234 --> 00:24:57,674
Speaker 1: brings it back a bit, Yeah, for sure.

607
00:24:57,994 --> 00:24:59,714
Speaker 2: And like back in the day would say like love

608
00:24:59,754 --> 00:25:01,833
Speaker 2: story or like you belong with me, Like obviously they

609
00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:04,434
Speaker 2: were like really grand and not like huge, but it

610
00:25:04,474 --> 00:25:06,674
Speaker 2: wasn't quite as filled with like metaphor and easter eggs

611
00:25:07,234 --> 00:25:09,074
Speaker 2: this now, because as her career has grown and as

612
00:25:09,114 --> 00:25:11,354
Speaker 2: like she as a person has grown into this just

613
00:25:11,474 --> 00:25:14,154
Speaker 2: mega famous star, she often uses them to just like

614
00:25:14,634 --> 00:25:17,994
Speaker 2: very unsubtly smack people over the head with.

615
00:25:17,914 --> 00:25:19,793
Speaker 1: The intention of what she wants to say. And this

616
00:25:19,834 --> 00:25:22,354
Speaker 1: one is just like riddled with easter eggs. There are

617
00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:24,874
Speaker 1: so many things in there that just she's like I

618
00:25:24,874 --> 00:25:25,954
Speaker 1: want you to see this. There you go.

619
00:25:25,994 --> 00:25:28,273
Speaker 2: Here's how I feel about this situation. So if you

620
00:25:28,314 --> 00:25:30,154
Speaker 2: haven't seen it, the concept of the music video is

621
00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:31,273
Speaker 2: that like, she's.

622
00:25:31,034 --> 00:25:34,114
Speaker 1: A lonely girl, he's a lonely boy. She has a

623
00:25:34,114 --> 00:25:37,354
Speaker 1: pet rock, he has a spiky cactus. And when you

624
00:25:37,394 --> 00:25:40,074
Speaker 1: say he do mean, I do mean domnog Gleason. Yeah, yes,

625
00:25:40,154 --> 00:25:43,074
Speaker 1: who stars domno Gleason? Who stars? And who stars in

626
00:25:43,114 --> 00:25:45,273
Speaker 1: this as I would say the lead character. He's the

627
00:25:45,314 --> 00:25:48,314
Speaker 1: leading miser. Romantically, he's romantically in the Oplite music video.

628
00:25:48,314 --> 00:25:50,273
Speaker 1: But first I thought YouTube was just playing me a

629
00:25:50,314 --> 00:25:53,834
Speaker 1: random ad before it started. And that's because before you

630
00:25:53,874 --> 00:25:57,594
Speaker 1: even see Taylor Swift, there's like an old school infomercial, yes,

631
00:25:57,714 --> 00:26:02,394
Speaker 1: commercial for an opalite product which is spray Yes, and

632
00:26:02,434 --> 00:26:04,914
Speaker 1: then Taylor appears and then but so.

633
00:26:05,154 --> 00:26:07,154
Speaker 2: The vibe is that there are these two people and

634
00:26:07,194 --> 00:26:08,834
Speaker 2: at the very start there is an infomercial for a

635
00:26:08,834 --> 00:26:11,513
Speaker 2: product called Opalite and it promises too and I quote,

636
00:26:11,794 --> 00:26:16,074
Speaker 2: magically transform your problems into paradise. It works on friendships, couples, pets,

637
00:26:16,114 --> 00:26:19,674
Speaker 2: and coworkers. And the narrator, which would surprise anyone who

638
00:26:19,754 --> 00:26:22,834
Speaker 2: heard it, is Killian Murphy, which it does not sound

639
00:26:22,874 --> 00:26:25,273
Speaker 2: like him whatsoever. When that went around, I was like

640
00:26:25,354 --> 00:26:27,154
Speaker 2: fake news. And then I saw the end of the

641
00:26:27,194 --> 00:26:28,674
Speaker 2: music video and they literally.

642
00:26:28,314 --> 00:26:30,834
Speaker 1: Say he's the narrator, and I went still fake news

643
00:26:31,994 --> 00:26:36,274
Speaker 1: him once you know you can hear his voice. He's acting.

644
00:26:36,394 --> 00:26:41,033
Speaker 1: He's acting. This is so true. He was like, give

645
00:26:41,074 --> 00:26:42,674
Speaker 1: me a character, ie will bring it to that will

646
00:26:42,714 --> 00:26:43,834
Speaker 1: be the spokesman.

647
00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:48,674
Speaker 2: And in that infomercial scene, there is a person who's

648
00:26:48,674 --> 00:26:50,994
Speaker 2: actually one of the Arastwortus dancers, but she's next to

649
00:26:51,074 --> 00:26:53,194
Speaker 2: a trash can and it also has like a trash

650
00:26:53,274 --> 00:26:55,434
Speaker 2: can in her bed. And I say trash can because

651
00:26:55,434 --> 00:26:57,794
Speaker 2: it looks like what that Sesame Street character is in.

652
00:26:57,914 --> 00:26:59,874
Speaker 2: That's not a garbage bin, that's a trash can. It's

653
00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:05,154
Speaker 2: Oscar the ground train. Okay, prospect, Oscar the ground He

654
00:27:05,274 --> 00:27:07,554
Speaker 2: is an important part of pop culture, and it also

655
00:27:07,634 --> 00:27:10,074
Speaker 2: ties into the very first line of the song in Opalite,

656
00:27:10,114 --> 00:27:12,834
Speaker 2: which is I had a bad habit of missing lovers past.

657
00:27:12,994 --> 00:27:15,273
Speaker 2: My brother used to call it eating out of the trash.

658
00:27:15,474 --> 00:27:18,794
Speaker 2: It's never gonna last. So she's smacking you over the head.

659
00:27:18,834 --> 00:27:20,714
Speaker 2: But here's a trash can because her brother believed she

660
00:27:20,794 --> 00:27:22,594
Speaker 2: used to eat out of the trash and this opalite

661
00:27:22,634 --> 00:27:25,554
Speaker 2: product right here is promising to fix all of your problems.

662
00:27:25,794 --> 00:27:28,194
Speaker 1: And she looks a bit of a trash reference and

663
00:27:28,314 --> 00:27:31,114
Speaker 1: in this case, fancy thing. This trash is Matti Healy. Well,

664
00:27:31,554 --> 00:27:34,074
Speaker 1: Matti Healy, yes, and also even going far back as

665
00:27:34,154 --> 00:27:35,914
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian because it made me think of that. Then

666
00:27:35,954 --> 00:27:38,234
Speaker 1: when she takes itself out, Yeah, when she did the

667
00:27:38,514 --> 00:27:41,714
Speaker 1: Time Magazine Person of the Year profile and she was

668
00:27:41,754 --> 00:27:44,794
Speaker 1: talking about Kim Kardashian, the whole illegal recording of the

669
00:27:44,954 --> 00:27:46,674
Speaker 1: video with the Kanye West thing and all that sort

670
00:27:46,674 --> 00:27:49,474
Speaker 1: of stuff, and how Taylor was canceled, and she basically

671
00:27:49,554 --> 00:27:51,474
Speaker 1: says of Kim Kardashian like, I didn't have to worry

672
00:27:51,474 --> 00:27:53,594
Speaker 1: about it, because the trash will always take itself out

673
00:27:53,914 --> 00:27:55,834
Speaker 1: talking of Kim Kardashian. And now she's back here with

674
00:27:55,914 --> 00:27:58,593
Speaker 1: trash cans talking at Matti Heally. It is her favorite

675
00:27:58,634 --> 00:27:59,994
Speaker 1: metaphor for people who have rolled her.

676
00:28:00,074 --> 00:28:01,793
Speaker 2: And at the very end of the video, it shows

677
00:28:01,914 --> 00:28:04,114
Speaker 2: like some stuff again and the line is garbage just

678
00:28:04,234 --> 00:28:04,634
Speaker 2: took up.

679
00:28:05,874 --> 00:28:07,954
Speaker 1: When I saw that, I was I'm like, you might

680
00:28:07,994 --> 00:28:10,273
Speaker 1: as well put Kim Kardashian's face on this, like I

681
00:28:10,394 --> 00:28:12,034
Speaker 1: just or at this stage, Mattie Heally, because I do

682
00:28:12,154 --> 00:28:14,514
Speaker 1: believe she's moved on all. Actually, I don't think she's

683
00:28:14,514 --> 00:28:16,674
Speaker 1: moved on at all. And why would you. She's added

684
00:28:16,714 --> 00:28:19,034
Speaker 1: to the list. Ye, she's added a list. Yeah, so

685
00:28:19,194 --> 00:28:21,194
Speaker 1: it kind of starts room for more enemies. That's what

686
00:28:21,234 --> 00:28:21,754
Speaker 1: I always say.

687
00:28:21,954 --> 00:28:24,274
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it starts at the infomercial, we get told

688
00:28:24,354 --> 00:28:26,513
Speaker 2: what sort of opra lite is. So the way the

689
00:28:26,594 --> 00:28:28,354
Speaker 2: song is set up is that there's like a verse

690
00:28:28,434 --> 00:28:30,754
Speaker 2: that's about like her, Taylor Swift, there's a verse that's

691
00:28:30,754 --> 00:28:33,114
Speaker 2: about the leading man, Travis Kelcey, And so in the

692
00:28:33,194 --> 00:28:35,513
Speaker 2: music video, the first verse sort of shows Taylor Swift.

693
00:28:35,634 --> 00:28:37,834
Speaker 2: Then the next verse shows Nominal Glease and going through

694
00:28:37,874 --> 00:28:41,394
Speaker 2: his own trauma with the cactus. But essentially she opens

695
00:28:41,514 --> 00:28:43,354
Speaker 2: up and it's very like eighties nineties esthetic.

696
00:28:43,394 --> 00:28:46,514
Speaker 1: It's very confusing aesthetic, I'll actually say, because you're like,

697
00:28:46,594 --> 00:28:48,034
Speaker 1: are we doing aerobics? Are we in the ma all?

698
00:28:48,114 --> 00:28:50,114
Speaker 1: What's going on? Is it the two thousands? Who could say?

699
00:28:50,154 --> 00:28:52,754
Speaker 1: But oh, I thought it was like eighties going into ninety.

700
00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:55,474
Speaker 2: Yes, that was what I would say is the overall attempt,

701
00:28:56,034 --> 00:28:58,274
Speaker 2: And then there's just a little rent of she's meshed

702
00:28:58,314 --> 00:29:00,194
Speaker 2: a few different a few different things.

703
00:29:00,514 --> 00:29:02,834
Speaker 1: But so she takes a rock out of a box.

704
00:29:02,874 --> 00:29:04,874
Speaker 2: So it kind of starts with like, she's got this rock,

705
00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:07,474
Speaker 2: and the rock is called a best friend, and she

706
00:29:07,554 --> 00:29:09,274
Speaker 2: takes it out of a toy box, which alludes to

707
00:29:09,354 --> 00:29:11,394
Speaker 2: the line in her song like my boy only breaks

708
00:29:11,434 --> 00:29:14,114
Speaker 2: his favorite toys from the tortured poets departments, And the

709
00:29:14,234 --> 00:29:16,674
Speaker 2: line is just say when we played pretend he was

710
00:29:16,754 --> 00:29:20,074
Speaker 2: my best friend. And in the sort of demo version

711
00:29:20,114 --> 00:29:21,914
Speaker 2: of the song, it's he was my best friend and

712
00:29:21,994 --> 00:29:24,314
Speaker 2: that was the worst part. So it's essentially like he

713
00:29:24,434 --> 00:29:26,074
Speaker 2: used to take me out of my box as well

714
00:29:26,074 --> 00:29:28,274
Speaker 2: as part of that lyrics. So she the whole song

715
00:29:28,354 --> 00:29:29,914
Speaker 2: kind of talks about the idea that she's like a

716
00:29:29,954 --> 00:29:31,834
Speaker 2: toy that someone used to play with, Yeah, and then

717
00:29:31,834 --> 00:29:33,034
Speaker 2: when they were sick of her, they get rid of it.

718
00:29:33,354 --> 00:29:35,634
Speaker 2: So now the pet rock is her toy and it's

719
00:29:35,674 --> 00:29:37,354
Speaker 2: her best friend. So a lot of people think the

720
00:29:37,434 --> 00:29:42,714
Speaker 2: rock is Joe Alwn. Oh my god, I say, there

721
00:29:42,794 --> 00:29:44,994
Speaker 2: was an actual toy called the pet rock. And guess

722
00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:48,194
Speaker 2: what year it was invented? What year nineteen seventy five,

723
00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:55,154
Speaker 2: which is seventy five, is healingen. Wow, so look options,

724
00:29:55,434 --> 00:29:56,994
Speaker 2: but there's also a lot of things. So the Rock

725
00:29:57,034 --> 00:29:59,354
Speaker 2: weighs her down. So she's doing weights with the Rock,

726
00:29:59,434 --> 00:30:01,434
Speaker 2: and she's like working out with her, which could allude

727
00:30:01,434 --> 00:30:03,034
Speaker 2: to like her getting ready for the RAS tour and

728
00:30:03,114 --> 00:30:05,514
Speaker 2: being held back by the Rock. She's got a line

729
00:30:05,554 --> 00:30:08,354
Speaker 2: in So Long London which is like I kept calm

730
00:30:08,394 --> 00:30:10,354
Speaker 2: and carried the weight of the rift, which is about her.

731
00:30:10,314 --> 00:30:16,354
Speaker 1: Feeling like she was carrying her relationship with She saves

732
00:30:16,394 --> 00:30:20,274
Speaker 1: the Rock a seat in a bar, and that's like, no,

733
00:30:20,434 --> 00:30:23,434
Speaker 1: you go, this is right because in lover Right she

734
00:30:23,554 --> 00:30:26,194
Speaker 1: says always gave me a seat. Yeah. She says that

735
00:30:26,274 --> 00:30:28,634
Speaker 1: every tables save you a seat. Yeah.

736
00:30:28,874 --> 00:30:32,474
Speaker 2: So there were a lot of things, but she was

737
00:30:32,514 --> 00:30:34,354
Speaker 2: doing a lot of things with the Rock. Yeah, And

738
00:30:35,114 --> 00:30:37,394
Speaker 2: actually so much of the storytelling the Rock was doing.

739
00:30:37,474 --> 00:30:39,194
Speaker 2: So I want that rock to get like a supporting

740
00:30:39,234 --> 00:30:39,954
Speaker 2: actor or.

741
00:30:39,994 --> 00:30:42,954
Speaker 1: Something, and like, so she's got a rock.

742
00:30:43,034 --> 00:30:44,874
Speaker 2: And then also Domina Gleason has a cactus and it

743
00:30:44,994 --> 00:30:47,234
Speaker 2: keeps like pricking him and hurting him as he tries

744
00:30:47,274 --> 00:30:47,954
Speaker 2: to get close to it.

745
00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:51,994
Speaker 1: Wow, what a subtle metaphor what she doing. But essentially

746
00:30:52,074 --> 00:30:52,914
Speaker 1: what happens is they.

747
00:30:52,794 --> 00:30:54,714
Speaker 2: Both get their hands on this open lite spray that

748
00:30:54,794 --> 00:30:57,634
Speaker 2: promises to like magically fix you, and that is sort

749
00:30:57,674 --> 00:31:00,634
Speaker 2: of a callback because he sprays it on the cactus,

750
00:31:01,074 --> 00:31:03,394
Speaker 2: she sprays it on herself, which is a bit of

751
00:31:03,434 --> 00:31:06,194
Speaker 2: a like antiher thing of like I'm the problem. It's me,

752
00:31:06,554 --> 00:31:08,594
Speaker 2: So she sprays the opelite on herself because she's the

753
00:31:08,674 --> 00:31:10,154
Speaker 2: problem and she has to fix herself.

754
00:31:10,274 --> 00:31:13,434
Speaker 1: Oh my god, symbolism.

755
00:31:13,954 --> 00:31:15,594
Speaker 2: But there's all of these moments. So there's like a

756
00:31:15,634 --> 00:31:18,274
Speaker 2: George Michael poster in the bedroom, which like links to

757
00:31:18,394 --> 00:31:20,794
Speaker 2: father Figure. There's a photo of Porta Fino in the

758
00:31:20,794 --> 00:31:23,874
Speaker 2: background which links to Elizabeth Taylor. The shop names are

759
00:31:23,874 --> 00:31:24,154
Speaker 2: all like.

760
00:31:24,234 --> 00:31:26,034
Speaker 1: Song lyrics of hers as they sort of go through

761
00:31:26,074 --> 00:31:29,514
Speaker 1: this abandoned mall. Her cat Olivia Benson is on her jumper,

762
00:31:30,234 --> 00:31:32,634
Speaker 1: There's like a bunch of Aras tool dancers, her brother

763
00:31:32,714 --> 00:31:35,954
Speaker 1: Austin is in the background, her band members photos are there.

764
00:31:36,074 --> 00:31:38,674
Speaker 1: So she's done. I would say this is the most.

765
00:31:38,594 --> 00:31:41,074
Speaker 2: Taylor'swith music video that has ever been creator. Yeah, like

766
00:31:41,234 --> 00:31:43,994
Speaker 2: she has really tried to shop every possible thing about

767
00:31:43,994 --> 00:31:46,594
Speaker 2: herself into this video. But I think the most exciting

768
00:31:46,634 --> 00:31:48,074
Speaker 2: part is the celebrity.

769
00:31:47,674 --> 00:31:51,194
Speaker 1: Caminos yes, So we have Greta Lee in one stage

770
00:31:51,274 --> 00:31:54,674
Speaker 1: doing that like the acoustic version of Opallite on the TV. Yeah.

771
00:31:54,954 --> 00:31:57,074
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's wearing the same outfit that Taylor's wearing

772
00:31:57,194 --> 00:31:59,714
Speaker 2: in the Opahlite cover as well, so that's a bit cute.

773
00:31:59,714 --> 00:32:00,954
Speaker 1: They obviously took the picture there.

774
00:32:01,314 --> 00:32:03,994
Speaker 2: We've got Jodie Turner Smith doing like an aerobics class

775
00:32:04,034 --> 00:32:05,634
Speaker 2: and my god, does she look good.

776
00:32:06,474 --> 00:32:08,674
Speaker 1: Woman's ever. Woman is just always a ten ten or

777
00:32:08,834 --> 00:32:12,594
Speaker 1: ten personality and looks that's with her like storyline, I

778
00:32:12,634 --> 00:32:14,714
Speaker 1: don't know what we're doing, like why we're do Like

779
00:32:14,874 --> 00:32:16,914
Speaker 1: it's just like it's classic Taylor. You're like, this is

780
00:32:16,994 --> 00:32:18,714
Speaker 1: not that much of a story. We're just doing stuff

781
00:32:18,754 --> 00:32:20,754
Speaker 1: and it's fun. I mean, she's obviously really trying to

782
00:32:20,794 --> 00:32:22,474
Speaker 1: tell a story, but it's also like just for this

783
00:32:22,554 --> 00:32:26,154
Speaker 1: hell of it visual kind of moment. And then Lewis

784
00:32:26,194 --> 00:32:28,074
Speaker 1: Capaldi plays like a mall photographer.

785
00:32:28,354 --> 00:32:30,714
Speaker 2: I'm getting them to do like those like retro posers,

786
00:32:30,834 --> 00:32:33,314
Speaker 2: like holding hands and like doing the prompos and like

787
00:32:33,394 --> 00:32:34,154
Speaker 2: lying on the floor.

788
00:32:34,514 --> 00:32:36,674
Speaker 1: And he says he wants to be their friend, and

789
00:32:36,754 --> 00:32:39,594
Speaker 1: they say, come join us. So it's not subtle at all.

790
00:32:39,674 --> 00:32:42,554
Speaker 1: She's like no, I like Lewis, He's like, we're not feuding.

791
00:32:42,834 --> 00:32:45,594
Speaker 1: And then there's when Dominell and Taylor are dancing together

792
00:32:45,634 --> 00:32:48,314
Speaker 1: and they're like matching outfits. There's that link back to

793
00:32:48,354 --> 00:32:51,794
Speaker 1: the original Graham Norton interview where Killian Murphy was talking

794
00:32:51,834 --> 00:32:54,474
Speaker 1: about Dominall's new TV show, The Paper, and he's like,

795
00:32:54,554 --> 00:32:57,434
Speaker 1: it's worth it just to see him dance, And then

796
00:32:57,474 --> 00:32:59,034
Speaker 1: when he dances in this, it's kind of like a

797
00:32:59,034 --> 00:33:00,434
Speaker 1: little call back to Yeah, and the.

798
00:33:00,434 --> 00:33:01,994
Speaker 2: Reason this is all happened was he said he's that

799
00:33:02,114 --> 00:33:04,194
Speaker 2: was his audition to dance in a Taylor's with musically,

800
00:33:04,314 --> 00:33:05,554
Speaker 2: and she said, okay, let's do it.

801
00:33:05,674 --> 00:33:08,314
Speaker 1: Let's do it. So the dreams come, dreams coming true.

802
00:33:08,354 --> 00:33:09,634
Speaker 1: And while Killian clearly.

803
00:33:09,434 --> 00:33:11,674
Speaker 2: Couldn't make it, he did the voiceover and he's also

804
00:33:12,034 --> 00:33:14,874
Speaker 2: smiling on a poster, which is in and of itself

805
00:33:14,914 --> 00:33:18,714
Speaker 2: an achievement. Is that Ai that man's what's going on there,

806
00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:21,194
Speaker 2: and Graham Norton is like a salesperson who hands so somewhich.

807
00:33:21,314 --> 00:33:23,554
Speaker 1: I love that graham Norton was also involved. He just

808
00:33:23,594 --> 00:33:25,514
Speaker 1: looked thrilled. Yeah, everyone was having fun.

809
00:33:25,634 --> 00:33:28,514
Speaker 2: But so the vibe essentially is very much like smacking

810
00:33:28,554 --> 00:33:30,274
Speaker 2: you in the face of like, well, we found this

811
00:33:30,434 --> 00:33:33,914
Speaker 2: thing and it fixed us, and it fixed our past problems,

812
00:33:33,954 --> 00:33:35,234
Speaker 2: and we're in a mall for some reason.

813
00:33:35,474 --> 00:33:37,514
Speaker 1: Well again, that's the very kind of eighties nineties culture.

814
00:33:37,514 --> 00:33:39,394
Speaker 1: And I feel like Taylor Swift in her heart is

815
00:33:39,594 --> 00:33:40,354
Speaker 1: still a more girl.

816
00:33:40,634 --> 00:33:43,514
Speaker 2: Yes, But one thing some fans may have missed is

817
00:33:43,594 --> 00:33:45,834
Speaker 2: that I missed this so much, my god, when the

818
00:33:45,874 --> 00:33:47,834
Speaker 2: Air's Tool was on, we were collecting clues every day

819
00:33:47,874 --> 00:33:49,194
Speaker 2: and having the best fun we ever had.

820
00:33:49,354 --> 00:33:52,194
Speaker 1: It was all fake news. But still one thing people

821
00:33:52,274 --> 00:33:54,834
Speaker 1: may have missed is that the Opaalite music video does

822
00:33:55,114 --> 00:33:59,554
Speaker 1: quite a few callbacks to debut Taylor Swift's first album. Oh,

823
00:33:59,714 --> 00:34:01,914
Speaker 1: I did not know one of two albums that were

824
00:34:01,954 --> 00:34:04,594
Speaker 1: still waiting for the Taylor's version of And so if

825
00:34:04,634 --> 00:34:07,914
Speaker 1: you remember, Taylor like rebought her Master's and when she did,

826
00:34:08,034 --> 00:34:10,473
Speaker 1: she said that she had tried to re record, rep

827
00:34:10,514 --> 00:34:12,953
Speaker 1: and re release it and like just wasn't gonna happen,

828
00:34:12,994 --> 00:34:14,873
Speaker 1: and fair enough, because that was really an album about

829
00:34:14,913 --> 00:34:17,274
Speaker 1: Joe Alwen and that would have been very difficult. But

830
00:34:17,514 --> 00:34:19,433
Speaker 1: she also said she felt like that was an album

831
00:34:19,514 --> 00:34:21,434
Speaker 1: she just couldn't top, and she couldn't redo it, so

832
00:34:21,514 --> 00:34:23,314
Speaker 1: she said she wasn't going to re release that, but

833
00:34:23,434 --> 00:34:25,754
Speaker 1: she did say at some stage she might re release debut.

834
00:34:26,194 --> 00:34:28,474
Speaker 1: And throughout the Opaalite music video, there are all of

835
00:34:28,514 --> 00:34:30,514
Speaker 1: these butterflies, which was like a really big part of

836
00:34:30,554 --> 00:34:33,474
Speaker 1: her aesthetic. Then there's all of this teal and green,

837
00:34:33,594 --> 00:34:35,914
Speaker 1: which was also the color. She like spreads green glitter

838
00:34:35,994 --> 00:34:36,554
Speaker 1: over herself.

839
00:34:36,594 --> 00:34:38,754
Speaker 2: She's got green nails, She's got all of these things

840
00:34:38,794 --> 00:34:40,953
Speaker 2: that are not actually the like you know how Life

841
00:34:40,994 --> 00:34:41,954
Speaker 2: of a Show Girl's.

842
00:34:41,754 --> 00:34:44,194
Speaker 1: Green orange, it's not that color. Okay, it's like the

843
00:34:44,274 --> 00:34:46,634
Speaker 1: debut green. You gotta learn your color, will want to

844
00:34:47,674 --> 00:34:48,034
Speaker 1: learning that.

845
00:34:48,314 --> 00:34:50,154
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing is also that there is like

846
00:34:50,234 --> 00:34:52,553
Speaker 2: a magazine in the background that's green and it says TV,

847
00:34:52,754 --> 00:34:55,393
Speaker 2: which stands for Taylor's version. And there's also a sign

848
00:34:55,434 --> 00:34:58,714
Speaker 2: at the movie theater that says stay tuned for the encore. Basically,

849
00:34:59,394 --> 00:35:01,994
Speaker 2: so you think this means she is re releasing some

850
00:35:02,234 --> 00:35:05,074
Speaker 2: fair debut. Have started to clown and say that this

851
00:35:05,194 --> 00:35:08,553
Speaker 2: means she's re releasing debut. I don't know, but they'll

852
00:35:08,594 --> 00:35:10,554
Speaker 2: convince me of anything. Yeah, I mean, you show me

853
00:35:10,674 --> 00:35:12,434
Speaker 2: a good PowerPoint presentation, I'm sold.

854
00:35:12,754 --> 00:35:15,634
Speaker 1: Exactly. You've been bird many times before. But yeah, what

855
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:17,234
Speaker 1: do you think the similism is at the end when

856
00:35:17,234 --> 00:35:19,194
Speaker 1: they like kind of like show where everyone ended up

857
00:35:19,274 --> 00:35:21,594
Speaker 1: and it's like the cactus did this, the rock did this,

858
00:35:21,954 --> 00:35:23,873
Speaker 1: the trash is still trash. It was kind of like,

859
00:35:24,154 --> 00:35:26,554
Speaker 1: is that like saying where everyone of like those people

860
00:35:26,674 --> 00:35:29,513
Speaker 1: are as in like the metaphors for the real people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I guess, but I also like it's very intense

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Speaker 1: because we know all these people are too. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: like it's weird.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess, so especially saying garbage is

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Speaker 2: still garbage if that represents Maddie and Kim, I think

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Speaker 2: those are the people she holds the most.

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Speaker 1: Like vitriollful and fair enough. Yeah, fair enough to eva.

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Speaker 1: So to finish up, where would you place this in

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Speaker 1: like the pantheon of Taylor Swift music videos? Is it

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Speaker 1: up in the top five? Is it not really getting there?

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Speaker 1: You looking back to cry asking that question? But that's

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's not top five for me, sure, but I

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Speaker 2: do really enjoy it and like, if not for the

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Speaker 2: actual thing I was looking at, just for the sheer

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Speaker 2: concept of like gathering all these celebrities together and doing it.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was like a very fun idea and

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Speaker 2: a good way to sort of be like, no, actually,

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Speaker 2: I'm deeply likable and all these people want to hang

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Speaker 2: out with me, and you're all wrong.

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Speaker 1: That is the most interesting thing about Taylor Swift is like,

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Speaker 1: she is one of the richest women in the world.

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Speaker 1: She's the most successful woman, one of the most beautiful,

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Speaker 1: she's the top of everything, and she's still I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if she believes is, but she still chooses

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Speaker 1: to market herself as essentially still an underdog who wants

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Speaker 1: people to like her and also wants to be known

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Speaker 1: as a likable person. Everything she does comes back to that.

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Speaker 1: It does even when she tries to be like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: like I'll cut you out, I'll be your father figure,

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Speaker 1: or like I like my friend's canceled and stuff, it

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Speaker 1: always circles back around to that same message of like

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Speaker 1: me and tell other people you like me.

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Speaker 2: And she says it a lot like she said it

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Speaker 2: in the Miss Americana documentary. She touched on it, and

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Speaker 2: like the airs to a documentary, she's like, we are

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Speaker 2: in this industry because we like when people clap for us.

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Speaker 2: We like when people like us, and it is devastating

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Speaker 2: when they don't like you. Yeah, And she spoke a

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Speaker 2: lot about the Kanye West of it all in the

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Speaker 2: Miss Americana docco, where people always were like she was

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Speaker 2: so overreacting, and it's She's like, I was a teenager

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Speaker 2: and a whole audience started booing, and I thought they

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Speaker 2: were booing at me.

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Speaker 1: And my whole worldview was like, if I'm good enough,

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Speaker 1: if I'm perfect enough, everyone will like me.

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Speaker 2: And then at some point that changed, especially around the

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Speaker 2: life of a showgirl on the Graham Norton Show, people

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Speaker 2: were not liking her, and I don't think she knows

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Speaker 2: how to handle that.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no. And this whole music video sweet and

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Speaker 1: fun with the rocks and the bracelets and the aerobics

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Speaker 1: as it is, it's all just to be like, just

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Speaker 1: remember you guys like me, other famous people like me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah to the boppy tune of opal Ed. Wow, that's art,

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Speaker 1: that is high arts. But she has fun. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's a lot, but I do think

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Speaker 1: it very much comes back to her wanting to be liked. Man,

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Speaker 1: don't we all thank you so much for listening to

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