1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:15,385 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the 2 00:00:15,425 --> 00:00:18,545 Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 3 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:22,785 Speaker 1: recorded on. Whoever said orange is a new pink with 4 00:00:22,945 --> 00:00:27,505 Speaker 1: seriously disturbed laurels for spring groundbreaking? Oh my god, you 5 00:00:27,705 --> 00:00:31,665 Speaker 1: have to do it. You live for fashion. Hello, and 6 00:00:31,705 --> 00:00:34,425 Speaker 1: welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion 7 00:00:34,465 --> 00:00:37,705 Speaker 1: problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell and 8 00:00:37,865 --> 00:00:40,585 Speaker 1: every week I chat to an expert who helps us 9 00:00:40,625 --> 00:00:42,345 Speaker 1: work out how to get more out of the clothes 10 00:00:42,345 --> 00:00:44,705 Speaker 1: we already own and tells us exactly what is and 11 00:00:44,865 --> 00:00:48,745 Speaker 1: isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. Styling our clothes can 12 00:00:48,785 --> 00:00:52,585 Speaker 1: be confusing because truthfully, there's a difference between putting clothes 13 00:00:52,625 --> 00:00:56,185 Speaker 1: on and pulling together an outfit, from whether or not 14 00:00:56,225 --> 00:00:59,505 Speaker 1: we tuck in our tops, to coordinating colors and even 15 00:00:59,545 --> 00:01:01,985 Speaker 1: what we wear our socks with. These are little tweaks 16 00:01:01,985 --> 00:01:04,545 Speaker 1: that can make our clothes look more modern, but although 17 00:01:04,545 --> 00:01:08,425 Speaker 1: they're subtle, they also change each season. Joining me today 18 00:01:08,585 --> 00:01:12,545 Speaker 1: is stylus Sally. Sally is one of my favorite accounts 19 00:01:12,545 --> 00:01:15,505 Speaker 1: to follow on Instagram. She shares her innate talent for 20 00:01:15,585 --> 00:01:18,545 Speaker 1: style to over two hundred and fifty thousand people just 21 00:01:18,585 --> 00:01:21,625 Speaker 1: on that one platform. She really is a service to 22 00:01:21,785 --> 00:01:24,985 Speaker 1: us all. So I've asked Sally for her help. We 23 00:01:25,145 --> 00:01:28,665 Speaker 1: received a dressing room dilemma from a confused listener and 24 00:01:28,705 --> 00:01:32,305 Speaker 1: they basically asked, so are we still doing the half 25 00:01:32,385 --> 00:01:35,065 Speaker 1: talk with the shirt anymore? Or is that trend over? 26 00:01:35,865 --> 00:01:38,625 Speaker 1: So Sally is here to help me dissect what trends 27 00:01:38,665 --> 00:01:40,945 Speaker 1: and tweaks are popular right now and how we can 28 00:01:40,985 --> 00:01:44,985 Speaker 1: add a little bit more personality to polish our outfits. Sally, 29 00:01:45,225 --> 00:01:46,705 Speaker 1: welcome back. How are you. 30 00:01:47,345 --> 00:01:49,865 Speaker 2: I'm well, Thank you, Lee, thank you for having me back. 31 00:01:49,945 --> 00:01:52,705 Speaker 1: Thank you. Honestly, the audience loved your first episode. It 32 00:01:52,745 --> 00:01:54,465 Speaker 1: was quite a while ago now, so we'll link it 33 00:01:54,465 --> 00:01:56,985 Speaker 1: in the show notes. I called you my TV show. Well, 34 00:01:56,985 --> 00:01:58,825 Speaker 1: people I watch on Instagram TV show, You're one of 35 00:01:58,865 --> 00:02:01,905 Speaker 1: my favorite shows to watch your life. We recently had 36 00:02:01,905 --> 00:02:05,065 Speaker 1: a tear in your beautiful new leather pants, buy your 37 00:02:05,065 --> 00:02:08,385 Speaker 1: beautiful shoes, and that was a journey and then it 38 00:02:08,665 --> 00:02:09,945 Speaker 1: ended well with a repair. 39 00:02:10,345 --> 00:02:12,465 Speaker 2: It did end well, and it was a journey. People 40 00:02:12,665 --> 00:02:17,305 Speaker 2: like yourself were very investors in what happened, and obviously 41 00:02:17,425 --> 00:02:20,465 Speaker 2: the fix and thankfully I did find an amazing but 42 00:02:20,625 --> 00:02:25,345 Speaker 2: expensive blind seamstress in Melbourne who weaved her delicate little fingers, 43 00:02:25,705 --> 00:02:27,185 Speaker 2: and she's done a really good job. 44 00:02:27,225 --> 00:02:29,705 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. I screenshot your story to because I 45 00:02:29,705 --> 00:02:33,185 Speaker 1: couldn't believe how precise that was. So happy days. It's 46 00:02:33,225 --> 00:02:35,625 Speaker 1: nice to have a little escape of a fashion crisis 47 00:02:35,625 --> 00:02:37,905 Speaker 1: when the world's kind of burning around do see. Anyway, 48 00:02:38,265 --> 00:02:40,145 Speaker 1: Let's start with a few questions about you before we 49 00:02:40,185 --> 00:02:43,905 Speaker 1: get into the topic. What is your biggest fashion impulse 50 00:02:43,945 --> 00:02:45,585 Speaker 1: purchase you've ever made? 51 00:02:46,385 --> 00:02:49,545 Speaker 2: Oh? Well, this was a really interesting one to think about, Lee, 52 00:02:49,625 --> 00:02:52,585 Speaker 2: because I'm really not a very impulsive person. I'm actually 53 00:02:52,585 --> 00:02:55,105 Speaker 2: a very considered shopper, and I guess because of what 54 00:02:55,185 --> 00:02:58,585 Speaker 2: I do as a personal stylist personal shopper, I'm in 55 00:02:58,625 --> 00:03:01,825 Speaker 2: the shops every day, so I see so much. When 56 00:03:01,825 --> 00:03:04,545 Speaker 2: I first started my styling business over fifteen years ago, 57 00:03:04,865 --> 00:03:07,705 Speaker 2: I literally would find it really hard to leave a 58 00:03:07,745 --> 00:03:11,505 Speaker 2: personal shopping session and not buy something myself, Like it 59 00:03:11,585 --> 00:03:12,145 Speaker 2: was terrible. 60 00:03:12,265 --> 00:03:14,705 Speaker 1: Can you teach a side class of how to not 61 00:03:14,745 --> 00:03:15,825 Speaker 1: buy something all the time? 62 00:03:16,145 --> 00:03:18,945 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. So I've learned to be 63 00:03:19,105 --> 00:03:22,825 Speaker 2: much more considered, sleep on things, think about things overnight, 64 00:03:22,985 --> 00:03:23,865 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. 65 00:03:24,025 --> 00:03:26,905 Speaker 1: All right, so today we've received a dressing room dilever, 66 00:03:26,985 --> 00:03:30,385 Speaker 1: which is pretty funny and fashion's confusing, so they've said, 67 00:03:31,065 --> 00:03:33,825 Speaker 1: are we doing the half shirt tuck anymore? Or is 68 00:03:33,905 --> 00:03:36,465 Speaker 1: this trend over? What I wanted to talk to you 69 00:03:36,505 --> 00:03:39,345 Speaker 1: about is broadly what's in and what's out, because of 70 00:03:39,345 --> 00:03:41,505 Speaker 1: course on nothing to wear an in real life, you 71 00:03:41,545 --> 00:03:44,225 Speaker 1: can wear whatever you want. You kentuck, you can untuck, 72 00:03:44,305 --> 00:03:47,305 Speaker 1: there are no rules. But every season there's these little 73 00:03:47,305 --> 00:03:49,505 Speaker 1: tweaks to even the classic things we wear and how 74 00:03:49,545 --> 00:03:52,585 Speaker 1: we wear them. So let's run through some of those. 75 00:03:52,825 --> 00:03:55,265 Speaker 1: Get your opinion. But like I said, people can wear 76 00:03:55,305 --> 00:03:59,265 Speaker 1: hondies on the head if they want. So let's start 77 00:03:59,305 --> 00:04:02,425 Speaker 1: with the shirt tuck, the French tuck, so the front 78 00:04:02,465 --> 00:04:05,425 Speaker 1: in and the outsort of back. Are you still seeing that? 79 00:04:05,625 --> 00:04:08,465 Speaker 1: Do you do that? Talk to me about tucking. 80 00:04:08,985 --> 00:04:11,865 Speaker 2: Over some of them. I talked about maybe starting something 81 00:04:11,945 --> 00:04:14,905 Speaker 2: called untucked Tuesday, would you believe? So now you're kind 82 00:04:14,905 --> 00:04:18,385 Speaker 2: of talking the opposite. So I'm actually experimenting as I 83 00:04:18,425 --> 00:04:22,865 Speaker 2: am today with untucked looks. Yes, and just depending on 84 00:04:22,905 --> 00:04:25,705 Speaker 2: my mood and what I'm wearing, sometimes I'll tuck. Sometimes 85 00:04:25,745 --> 00:04:31,825 Speaker 2: I'll completely untucked, but I've probably stopped doing that French 86 00:04:32,225 --> 00:04:35,305 Speaker 2: slash half tuck. I kind of commit either way, so 87 00:04:35,425 --> 00:04:37,985 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm either committing to the full tuck 88 00:04:38,785 --> 00:04:40,345 Speaker 2: or the complete untuck. 89 00:04:40,625 --> 00:04:43,385 Speaker 1: Interesting and me too, but I used to be such 90 00:04:43,385 --> 00:04:44,745 Speaker 1: a French tuck kind of goal. 91 00:04:45,185 --> 00:04:48,985 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think sometimes obviously, if you're wearing Lucy Goosey 92 00:04:49,065 --> 00:04:52,505 Speaker 2: on top and bottom, sometimes just a little front side 93 00:04:52,585 --> 00:04:56,225 Speaker 2: tuck just helps to obviously visually make your legs look longer, 94 00:04:56,585 --> 00:04:59,345 Speaker 2: maybe draw the eye, create a little bit of a waste, 95 00:04:59,385 --> 00:05:01,825 Speaker 2: Like it's just about creating a little bit more balance 96 00:05:01,945 --> 00:05:06,705 Speaker 2: in your outfit. But yeah, pretty much I'm either committing. 97 00:05:07,105 --> 00:05:09,665 Speaker 2: It's either leaning really into the tuck with a full 98 00:05:10,425 --> 00:05:12,705 Speaker 2: and or leaning completely away from tucking. 99 00:05:12,865 --> 00:05:14,545 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same. Like at the moment, I've got 100 00:05:14,625 --> 00:05:17,545 Speaker 1: high waisted jeans on and just a plain unicloate in 101 00:05:17,585 --> 00:05:19,585 Speaker 1: a belt, so I've tucked because otherwise it would feel 102 00:05:19,585 --> 00:05:22,465 Speaker 1: a bit whatever, a bit too undone. But then I 103 00:05:22,505 --> 00:05:25,945 Speaker 1: think Copenhagen fashion style influence for me, I've been doing 104 00:05:25,945 --> 00:05:27,825 Speaker 1: sort of the sheer skirts, but then I'm definitely doing 105 00:05:27,865 --> 00:05:30,785 Speaker 1: a shirt or a T shirt untucked basically cover me 106 00:05:31,545 --> 00:05:33,065 Speaker 1: the Copenhagen. 107 00:05:33,105 --> 00:05:36,025 Speaker 2: Girls. They love a good untucked, don't they. They do 108 00:05:36,185 --> 00:05:38,865 Speaker 2: not care whatsoever about showing off their waist. 109 00:05:39,065 --> 00:05:41,025 Speaker 1: It's so much easier to go to the bathroom, all right. 110 00:05:41,065 --> 00:05:43,785 Speaker 1: The next one that we get asked a lot about, 111 00:05:43,985 --> 00:05:46,585 Speaker 1: which irritates me sometimes because it seems to be a 112 00:05:46,625 --> 00:05:50,385 Speaker 1: generational debate. Socks. Socks seem to be everywhere. Well you 113 00:05:50,425 --> 00:05:53,425 Speaker 1: know how millennials or ankle socks and that wasn't cool. 114 00:05:53,465 --> 00:05:56,985 Speaker 1: But I'm seeing sock styled with ballet flat and Mary 115 00:05:57,065 --> 00:05:59,345 Speaker 1: Jane absolutely, how do you feel about it? 116 00:05:59,385 --> 00:06:00,865 Speaker 2: Speak my language. 117 00:06:00,945 --> 00:06:02,865 Speaker 1: I feel a bit advanced though, Yeah. 118 00:06:02,705 --> 00:06:05,185 Speaker 2: You're right. So I started doing a lot of sock 119 00:06:05,265 --> 00:06:09,425 Speaker 2: styling last year, socks and colored types. In fact, I've 120 00:06:09,505 --> 00:06:12,865 Speaker 2: just ordered another two pairs for winter from this great 121 00:06:13,025 --> 00:06:16,145 Speaker 2: company in Adelaide. It's a nice Australian base. I've ordered 122 00:06:16,185 --> 00:06:18,985 Speaker 2: a chocolate and a burgundy, of course, yeah, because I've 123 00:06:19,025 --> 00:06:21,425 Speaker 2: got a beautiful red from them, which I wore heaps. 124 00:06:21,425 --> 00:06:24,225 Speaker 2: But yeah, I really got into socks last year. And 125 00:06:24,345 --> 00:06:28,025 Speaker 2: two things I'll say about socks and stockings. A it's 126 00:06:28,065 --> 00:06:31,145 Speaker 2: a really interesting way to add a little bit of 127 00:06:31,545 --> 00:06:33,905 Speaker 2: visual interest to your outfit, a little bit of quirk, 128 00:06:33,945 --> 00:06:37,425 Speaker 2: a little bit of personality. But it does divide opinions 129 00:06:37,745 --> 00:06:43,185 Speaker 2: on particularly when you show a sock with a sandal, yeah, 130 00:06:43,225 --> 00:06:43,985 Speaker 2: which I love. 131 00:06:44,305 --> 00:06:47,265 Speaker 1: I actually do it too. I do too, I've done 132 00:06:47,265 --> 00:06:50,025 Speaker 1: it once or twice. I do feel a bit silly, 133 00:06:50,225 --> 00:06:51,385 Speaker 1: and I know I need to get that out of 134 00:06:51,385 --> 00:06:53,865 Speaker 1: my head. Yeah, I think for me, a sort of 135 00:06:54,025 --> 00:06:57,025 Speaker 1: sock with a shoe, obviously not going to the gym, 136 00:06:57,065 --> 00:06:58,825 Speaker 1: a sock with a shoe. In terms of like a 137 00:06:58,865 --> 00:07:01,145 Speaker 1: flat or a winter thing, I really need time to 138 00:07:01,145 --> 00:07:02,945 Speaker 1: plan out that outfit. It's not something I can just 139 00:07:03,025 --> 00:07:05,465 Speaker 1: chuck on. I need to marinate in. 140 00:07:05,465 --> 00:07:08,505 Speaker 2: It, absolutely, And I think that's like anything in terms 141 00:07:08,505 --> 00:07:12,065 Speaker 2: of getting dressing in your style, it should be considered. 142 00:07:12,145 --> 00:07:14,825 Speaker 2: And so that's where I built up a collection of 143 00:07:14,865 --> 00:07:17,665 Speaker 2: socks that so, for example, I really love a red 144 00:07:17,705 --> 00:07:19,865 Speaker 2: sock or a red panty hose or a red tight. 145 00:07:20,025 --> 00:07:23,025 Speaker 2: And so if you've got a red bag or a 146 00:07:23,065 --> 00:07:26,665 Speaker 2: red shoe or something else red, a red belt, for example, 147 00:07:26,945 --> 00:07:29,865 Speaker 2: then it's just a really lovely tie. And it just 148 00:07:29,905 --> 00:07:33,025 Speaker 2: shows that your whole outfit is quite considered and curated. 149 00:07:33,385 --> 00:07:35,705 Speaker 2: But I do appreciate that for some people it feels 150 00:07:35,745 --> 00:07:38,745 Speaker 2: a little bit scary, you know, the whole socks and sandals. 151 00:07:38,985 --> 00:07:41,145 Speaker 2: It's not to say every like. I'm not talking a 152 00:07:41,185 --> 00:07:44,625 Speaker 2: Birkenstock sandal, yes, and a sock or a stocking. I'm 153 00:07:44,665 --> 00:07:50,185 Speaker 2: talking about a beautiful elevated heeled peeto sandal or a 154 00:07:51,665 --> 00:07:54,545 Speaker 2: yeah something like that, or just something that's got like 155 00:07:54,585 --> 00:07:57,225 Speaker 2: a simple strap over the front of the foot, over 156 00:07:57,265 --> 00:08:00,185 Speaker 2: the toes and then strap around the ankle. Love a 157 00:08:00,185 --> 00:08:02,985 Speaker 2: good pointed part with my swing back, and I'm loving 158 00:08:03,065 --> 00:08:07,385 Speaker 2: slim backs with panny hose And the advantage of it 159 00:08:07,425 --> 00:08:10,225 Speaker 2: is that it really does extend the life of your shoes. 160 00:08:10,305 --> 00:08:13,145 Speaker 2: So once upon a time, you know, okay, sandals are 161 00:08:13,185 --> 00:08:15,945 Speaker 2: for sand or weather, but why not wear a sandal 162 00:08:15,945 --> 00:08:18,985 Speaker 2: in the middle of winter with rather than having to 163 00:08:19,025 --> 00:08:21,705 Speaker 2: buy a whole war drub of boots. 164 00:08:21,705 --> 00:08:23,585 Speaker 1: You're Melbourne based as well, you know, that's a great 165 00:08:23,585 --> 00:08:25,985 Speaker 1: way to where I mean a slingbacks covered at the front, 166 00:08:26,025 --> 00:08:27,305 Speaker 1: but your heels are a bit cold. But if you've 167 00:08:27,305 --> 00:08:29,025 Speaker 1: got a beautiful stocking or a sock, and it can 168 00:08:29,065 --> 00:08:32,305 Speaker 1: look very cool. Matching sets. I want to talk about 169 00:08:32,305 --> 00:08:35,545 Speaker 1: matching sets because for me, I think linen shorts and 170 00:08:35,585 --> 00:08:39,065 Speaker 1: a shirt very summary, but matching sets can be anything 171 00:08:39,345 --> 00:08:41,625 Speaker 1: a suit that's right, but they have been having a 172 00:08:41,705 --> 00:08:45,025 Speaker 1: huge moment. I generally think more summary, are we still 173 00:08:45,105 --> 00:08:47,745 Speaker 1: feeling a matching set? How do we kind of do 174 00:08:47,825 --> 00:08:48,425 Speaker 1: that for winter? 175 00:08:49,425 --> 00:08:52,625 Speaker 2: I think a matching set in whatever form it takes. 176 00:08:52,625 --> 00:08:55,345 Speaker 2: So whether it's as you said, a summer linen shirt, 177 00:08:55,385 --> 00:08:59,105 Speaker 2: linen short, whether it is a beautiful two piece suit, 178 00:08:59,225 --> 00:09:04,585 Speaker 2: whether it's a skirt and top blouse, whether it's a fun, colorful, 179 00:09:04,865 --> 00:09:10,185 Speaker 2: alime inspired coward. I just think they are thing that 180 00:09:10,305 --> 00:09:13,625 Speaker 2: every woman should have in their wardrobe because it's just foolproof. 181 00:09:13,705 --> 00:09:16,225 Speaker 2: They're great for those days that when you're not feeling 182 00:09:16,265 --> 00:09:19,745 Speaker 2: inspired with your wardrobe, nothing's kind of standing out. You 183 00:09:19,825 --> 00:09:23,865 Speaker 2: put something on that matches and it's just so seamless. 184 00:09:23,985 --> 00:09:24,345 Speaker 1: Yeah. 185 00:09:24,385 --> 00:09:27,585 Speaker 2: So I think going into the winter months, in terms 186 00:09:27,665 --> 00:09:29,825 Speaker 2: of matching sets that you'll see around, I mean, it 187 00:09:29,865 --> 00:09:33,145 Speaker 2: can even be a beautiful knit and matching trouser. 188 00:09:32,865 --> 00:09:37,505 Speaker 1: Yeah, jumps a knit skirt that I never in my 189 00:09:37,545 --> 00:09:40,025 Speaker 1: head categorized as a matching set because again I'm thinking 190 00:09:40,145 --> 00:09:42,545 Speaker 1: Lenden Beach sets, but the desired I thought about it, 191 00:09:42,585 --> 00:09:44,545 Speaker 1: I didn't. It's like putting on a dress, but a 192 00:09:44,545 --> 00:09:45,985 Speaker 1: bit more stylish. 193 00:09:45,745 --> 00:09:48,105 Speaker 2: Exactly, and that's when you've look at it like that 194 00:09:48,225 --> 00:09:50,065 Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, they've put all the hard work 195 00:09:50,105 --> 00:09:53,185 Speaker 2: into it. They have decided that okay, this goes with this. 196 00:09:53,705 --> 00:09:56,505 Speaker 2: It's not only a really simple way to get dressed, 197 00:09:56,545 --> 00:10:00,505 Speaker 2: but it's also, in my opinion, it's so chic. It's 198 00:10:00,545 --> 00:10:03,465 Speaker 2: so cheap and simple, and as I said, it's kind 199 00:10:03,465 --> 00:10:06,505 Speaker 2: of full prop So whether it's a suit, I love suits. 200 00:10:06,505 --> 00:10:10,145 Speaker 2: I always feel my best in a matching suit, adding 201 00:10:10,145 --> 00:10:12,545 Speaker 2: obviously come winter you can add some boots and a 202 00:10:12,545 --> 00:10:15,825 Speaker 2: beautiful roll neck underneath. But I don't think matching sets 203 00:10:15,825 --> 00:10:18,225 Speaker 2: are going anywhere. And the end of the day, really 204 00:10:18,305 --> 00:10:21,865 Speaker 2: what it is Lee is was tonal dressing, isn't it. 205 00:10:22,065 --> 00:10:24,505 Speaker 1: But without having to try and find the right color. 206 00:10:24,545 --> 00:10:27,065 Speaker 1: If they're not a matching set and you've got other items, 207 00:10:27,065 --> 00:10:28,905 Speaker 1: you can then mix and match with your gens, with 208 00:10:28,945 --> 00:10:29,665 Speaker 1: your other stuff. 209 00:10:29,945 --> 00:10:33,065 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's the other beauty is at the versatility 210 00:10:33,145 --> 00:10:36,145 Speaker 2: to then mix and match the two individual pieces is separate. 211 00:10:36,265 --> 00:10:38,185 Speaker 2: So it's just a it's a win win in my mids, 212 00:10:38,265 --> 00:10:38,945 Speaker 2: a no brainer. 213 00:10:38,985 --> 00:10:51,665 Speaker 1: They're going nowhere talk to you about oversized blazers, because 214 00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:54,625 Speaker 1: I will be buried in one. But are we still 215 00:10:54,665 --> 00:10:57,945 Speaker 1: doing this boxy fit a silhouette slimming down? Is it 216 00:10:57,945 --> 00:10:59,665 Speaker 1: about what we were on the bottom, Because then I 217 00:10:59,705 --> 00:11:01,545 Speaker 1: want to ask you about genes which are getting that 218 00:11:01,585 --> 00:11:05,305 Speaker 1: barrel volumes. So what's happening in the oversized blazer section? 219 00:11:06,065 --> 00:11:09,345 Speaker 2: Look, I think with any you open up your kitchen 220 00:11:09,345 --> 00:11:13,465 Speaker 2: cabin and you need to have a variety of ingredients 221 00:11:13,545 --> 00:11:17,705 Speaker 2: to make a great pasta, etc. Your wardrobe is kind 222 00:11:17,745 --> 00:11:21,025 Speaker 2: of the same. It's just good to have options. So 223 00:11:21,145 --> 00:11:23,905 Speaker 2: whilst you might not be someone who wants an entire 224 00:11:24,065 --> 00:11:28,985 Speaker 2: wardrobe of oversized blazers, it's good to have one or two, 225 00:11:29,185 --> 00:11:32,225 Speaker 2: and then you might have variety so that perhaps when 226 00:11:32,265 --> 00:11:36,425 Speaker 2: you do finally get on the barrel leg jean bandwagon 227 00:11:37,025 --> 00:11:40,745 Speaker 2: and you then put your oversized blazer on and maybe 228 00:11:40,785 --> 00:11:43,265 Speaker 2: feel that it's a little bit too overwhelming, that you 229 00:11:43,265 --> 00:11:46,185 Speaker 2: can then put on a blazer if blazers are your things, 230 00:11:46,465 --> 00:11:49,425 Speaker 2: that feels a little bit neater. So I'm just about 231 00:11:49,465 --> 00:11:52,265 Speaker 2: having sessions in the wardrobe. I'm not sure that we're 232 00:11:52,265 --> 00:11:55,065 Speaker 2: ever going back, or certainly not anytime soon. We're not 233 00:11:55,145 --> 00:11:59,265 Speaker 2: going back to the Camilla and Mark Dimmer blazer that 234 00:11:59,465 --> 00:12:05,985 Speaker 2: was restrictive, tight fitted short. We're not going back to that. 235 00:12:06,065 --> 00:12:09,225 Speaker 2: I think now that we've all started to wear more 236 00:12:09,385 --> 00:12:13,465 Speaker 2: relaxed blazers on our body, we realize just goddamn how 237 00:12:13,505 --> 00:12:16,225 Speaker 2: comfortable they are. So there's that side of things as well. 238 00:12:16,385 --> 00:12:18,625 Speaker 1: It's funny you reference that one particularly because I love 239 00:12:18,705 --> 00:12:20,585 Speaker 1: thrifting and often I'm flicking through it. I see a 240 00:12:20,625 --> 00:12:22,585 Speaker 1: Camilla and Make label and I'm oh, my god, and 241 00:12:22,625 --> 00:12:23,905 Speaker 1: I pull it out and I'm like, oh, I think 242 00:12:23,945 --> 00:12:26,385 Speaker 1: it was beautiful. But it's that fitted, more kind of 243 00:12:26,465 --> 00:12:29,625 Speaker 1: classic office silhouette that we used to wear. Like, can 244 00:12:29,665 --> 00:12:32,305 Speaker 1: people start getting rid of their oversized Camilla and Mark 245 00:12:32,345 --> 00:12:33,065 Speaker 1: anytime soon? 246 00:12:33,705 --> 00:12:36,425 Speaker 2: That's right? Yeah, well, I mean they will be. But 247 00:12:36,465 --> 00:12:38,465 Speaker 2: also I think there's that fine line for a lot 248 00:12:38,465 --> 00:12:44,705 Speaker 2: of people between oversized and ridiculously oversized. So that's where 249 00:12:44,705 --> 00:12:47,305 Speaker 2: I would say for someone like me. You know, I'm 250 00:12:47,425 --> 00:12:51,345 Speaker 2: very tall, so I can do that very oversized silhouette 251 00:12:51,425 --> 00:12:54,305 Speaker 2: because it doesn't drown me. Whereas I would just say 252 00:12:54,345 --> 00:12:56,505 Speaker 2: when I'm working with clients, I just use the term 253 00:12:56,785 --> 00:13:00,905 Speaker 2: relax relax. I really like a relaxed blazer. Yes, there 254 00:13:00,985 --> 00:13:02,465 Speaker 2: is a big difference denim. 255 00:13:02,785 --> 00:13:05,145 Speaker 1: We've been doing wide leg for a long time. I'm 256 00:13:05,185 --> 00:13:08,345 Speaker 1: into it. I am obsessed with barrel leg or whatever 257 00:13:08,385 --> 00:13:13,505 Speaker 1: we're calling it. It's also called harrots sometimes. Yeah, yeah, Yes, 258 00:13:14,025 --> 00:13:16,905 Speaker 1: there's rumors that Skinny's coming back, which I don't mind 259 00:13:16,905 --> 00:13:19,785 Speaker 1: if people were skinny. I've seen some really chic outfits 260 00:13:19,825 --> 00:13:22,585 Speaker 1: again back with the sort of relaxed or volume as tops. 261 00:13:22,665 --> 00:13:24,825 Speaker 1: It looks great with a straight leg. How are we 262 00:13:24,865 --> 00:13:26,225 Speaker 1: going with danim Does anything go? 263 00:13:26,545 --> 00:13:30,265 Speaker 2: Anything goesly? To be honest, it's quite interesting this whole 264 00:13:30,305 --> 00:13:35,625 Speaker 2: barrel leg gene because I actually got my first I 265 00:13:35,625 --> 00:13:37,505 Speaker 2: mean I didn't even call them a barrel leak. There 266 00:13:37,505 --> 00:13:40,425 Speaker 2: were just this really interesting silhouette the first ones I bought, 267 00:13:40,545 --> 00:13:43,865 Speaker 2: which were coming up to three years ago from Alpha sixty, 268 00:13:44,145 --> 00:13:45,945 Speaker 2: who still do them, by the way, And I've got 269 00:13:45,945 --> 00:13:49,545 Speaker 2: them in a beautiful indigo and black. And I've done 270 00:13:49,665 --> 00:13:52,785 Speaker 2: lots of content about the style of gene. And again 271 00:13:52,825 --> 00:13:54,905 Speaker 2: it's a little bit like the socks and sandals. People 272 00:13:54,945 --> 00:13:57,185 Speaker 2: either love it or hate it, and you get all 273 00:13:57,185 --> 00:14:00,065 Speaker 2: the comments, eh, you look like your bow leged. I mean, 274 00:14:00,345 --> 00:14:01,105 Speaker 2: who cares? 275 00:14:01,185 --> 00:14:01,945 Speaker 1: Who cares? 276 00:14:02,185 --> 00:14:05,905 Speaker 2: I just think that the Blazer conversation that we just had, 277 00:14:06,145 --> 00:14:09,265 Speaker 2: it's just about having variety in your wardrobe. It's like 278 00:14:09,305 --> 00:14:12,545 Speaker 2: the tool in your toolbox. And whether you have a 279 00:14:12,545 --> 00:14:15,745 Speaker 2: skinny pair of jeans, a barrel leg, a high rise 280 00:14:15,825 --> 00:14:19,425 Speaker 2: wide leg, a boyfriend style, it's great to have a 281 00:14:19,425 --> 00:14:21,705 Speaker 2: bit of variety because you can kind of change up 282 00:14:21,745 --> 00:14:24,505 Speaker 2: your look aggresiently with a great pair of jeans. But 283 00:14:24,905 --> 00:14:28,905 Speaker 2: if you aren't on the barrel leg jean wagon, will 284 00:14:28,905 --> 00:14:31,305 Speaker 2: they be at in a year's time? I don't think so. 285 00:14:31,465 --> 00:14:34,705 Speaker 2: I just think they're another silhouette to have in your 286 00:14:34,745 --> 00:14:36,985 Speaker 2: wardrobe that you pull out when you want to put 287 00:14:37,025 --> 00:14:40,105 Speaker 2: a look together. Look that kind of feels the way 288 00:14:40,105 --> 00:14:43,425 Speaker 2: you want to feel that day. I agree, anything goes anything, 289 00:14:43,505 --> 00:14:45,945 Speaker 2: and there's so goddamn comfortable. I agree with you. 290 00:14:46,065 --> 00:14:48,825 Speaker 1: I bought a pair of thrifted ones probably about three 291 00:14:48,865 --> 00:14:51,945 Speaker 1: years ago when I was in Texas, in Dallas, and 292 00:14:51,985 --> 00:14:53,785 Speaker 1: again I didn't have another what they were as you. 293 00:14:53,905 --> 00:14:56,865 Speaker 1: I mean, they have the best Denam vintage over there, 294 00:14:56,905 --> 00:14:59,265 Speaker 1: and I was looking back at old photos and the 295 00:14:59,345 --> 00:15:01,225 Speaker 1: reason now I know their barrel leg, but I just 296 00:15:01,225 --> 00:15:03,105 Speaker 1: thought that were cool and vintage. And I don't have 297 00:15:03,225 --> 00:15:04,745 Speaker 1: much of an ankle, I've got to sort of it 298 00:15:04,865 --> 00:15:07,065 Speaker 1: just goes leg foot, and so the illusion of the 299 00:15:07,105 --> 00:15:09,145 Speaker 1: balloony kind of gives me a bit of an ankle 300 00:15:09,185 --> 00:15:12,305 Speaker 1: with a little kis in hell and come see comfy. 301 00:15:12,425 --> 00:15:15,025 Speaker 1: So I don't think they're going anywhere. They're just peaking now. 302 00:15:15,025 --> 00:15:16,185 Speaker 1: But they've always been around. 303 00:15:16,625 --> 00:15:18,585 Speaker 2: They have been around. And you know the other thing 304 00:15:18,665 --> 00:15:20,585 Speaker 2: that I think, and again, it's a bit of a myth. 305 00:15:20,585 --> 00:15:23,185 Speaker 2: And I know one of our questions today is about 306 00:15:23,705 --> 00:15:26,505 Speaker 2: rules and things like that, but I think what women 307 00:15:26,585 --> 00:15:29,305 Speaker 2: don't realize until they try on that style of gene. 308 00:15:29,305 --> 00:15:33,065 Speaker 2: I'm claiming the word flattering because it's not a negative word. No, 309 00:15:33,265 --> 00:15:37,025 Speaker 2: that they are so flattering on many women's shapes, and. 310 00:15:37,025 --> 00:15:38,985 Speaker 1: Because you dress them on for a living, so it's 311 00:15:38,985 --> 00:15:42,385 Speaker 1: not just on you. You've seen them on so many people because. 312 00:15:42,145 --> 00:15:47,905 Speaker 2: They follow the curve, the natural curve of most women's bodies. Agree, Yeah, 313 00:15:47,945 --> 00:15:48,865 Speaker 2: they're really beautiful. 314 00:15:48,905 --> 00:15:50,825 Speaker 1: Gene pro barrel forever. 315 00:15:51,265 --> 00:15:51,585 Speaker 2: Yeah. 316 00:15:51,785 --> 00:15:54,945 Speaker 1: Talk to me about some winter shoes, specifically ballet flats, 317 00:15:55,305 --> 00:15:58,905 Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm a loafer for life. I love loafers. 318 00:15:59,105 --> 00:16:01,745 Speaker 1: I just find them more comfortable. Ballet flats seem to 319 00:16:01,785 --> 00:16:04,305 Speaker 1: be everywhere. There's even an offshoit like that at Lesua 320 00:16:04,345 --> 00:16:09,665 Speaker 1: wear ballet flat gross say that I wanted to try 321 00:16:09,945 --> 00:16:11,425 Speaker 1: and do it, and then I just felt silly and 322 00:16:11,465 --> 00:16:14,225 Speaker 1: I reminded myself that I don't have to do every trend. Yeah. 323 00:16:14,305 --> 00:16:16,785 Speaker 2: Look, I'll never saying evnle but no, that doesn't appeal 324 00:16:16,825 --> 00:16:17,105 Speaker 2: to me. 325 00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:19,505 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels a bit flash in the pan for me. 326 00:16:19,665 --> 00:16:21,265 Speaker 2: And I love a bit of that leisure wear, but 327 00:16:21,345 --> 00:16:25,225 Speaker 2: not those no, Okay, I think a traditional ballet flat. 328 00:16:25,425 --> 00:16:28,345 Speaker 2: When we think of the silhouette of that traditional ballet flat, 329 00:16:28,385 --> 00:16:32,065 Speaker 2: do you remember sand Bag? It's still around, and I 330 00:16:32,105 --> 00:16:35,505 Speaker 2: think if we think of that very classic style, personally, 331 00:16:35,785 --> 00:16:38,585 Speaker 2: I don't love that so much these days. I really 332 00:16:38,625 --> 00:16:40,785 Speaker 2: love a ballet flat that covers a little bit more 333 00:16:40,785 --> 00:16:42,705 Speaker 2: of the foot, almost a bit like I call it 334 00:16:42,745 --> 00:16:44,985 Speaker 2: a glove style ballet's. 335 00:16:44,345 --> 00:16:45,705 Speaker 1: That what do you call it? And see I call 336 00:16:45,785 --> 00:16:48,465 Speaker 1: it toe cleavage, So I say, there's like no toe 337 00:16:48,505 --> 00:16:50,425 Speaker 1: cleavage because it's coming up quite high. 338 00:16:50,745 --> 00:16:54,025 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that is so chic and polish. 339 00:16:53,825 --> 00:16:55,465 Speaker 1: And you can walk better, you don't have to kind 340 00:16:55,465 --> 00:16:56,505 Speaker 1: of hold them on as much. 341 00:16:56,865 --> 00:17:00,345 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And then it also lends itself much better to 342 00:17:00,665 --> 00:17:03,985 Speaker 2: then doing a potentially little fun sock or a panty hot. 343 00:17:04,465 --> 00:17:07,185 Speaker 1: Yeah, true, without looking like you're dressed as a little 344 00:17:07,185 --> 00:17:11,065 Speaker 1: girl or anything, you know. Yeah, a square toe we're 345 00:17:11,065 --> 00:17:11,625 Speaker 1: seeing a bit. 346 00:17:12,105 --> 00:17:14,345 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do love that little bit of a square toe. 347 00:17:14,385 --> 00:17:17,465 Speaker 2: I think that's a really cool sheic look. Obviously it's 348 00:17:17,505 --> 00:17:19,145 Speaker 2: still got the pointed toe, which I don't know where 349 00:17:19,185 --> 00:17:22,465 Speaker 2: they're technically called that a ballet flat, probably not, but yeah, 350 00:17:22,505 --> 00:17:24,625 Speaker 2: I like a little bit of a square toe rather 351 00:17:24,705 --> 00:17:28,825 Speaker 2: than that traditional dainty round toe. So a square toe 352 00:17:28,865 --> 00:17:30,905 Speaker 2: is very cool. And then I'm sure you've seen a 353 00:17:30,905 --> 00:17:33,465 Speaker 2: lot of Mary Jane ballet flats are around as well. 354 00:17:33,545 --> 00:17:35,305 Speaker 2: We kind of strap across the top of the foot 355 00:17:35,785 --> 00:17:38,345 Speaker 2: and look cool as well. A lot of the feedback 356 00:17:38,385 --> 00:17:41,345 Speaker 2: I've had from our hollowers on Instagram when I started 357 00:17:41,385 --> 00:17:43,945 Speaker 2: talking about ballet flats, and again, this is just where 358 00:17:43,985 --> 00:17:47,985 Speaker 2: people's thinking can be so rigid. People think back to 359 00:17:48,225 --> 00:17:50,625 Speaker 2: old ballet flats, you know, and how they were so 360 00:17:50,865 --> 00:17:55,425 Speaker 2: flat and uncomfortable. Yes, but shoes have changed a lot. 361 00:17:55,865 --> 00:17:58,705 Speaker 2: All I say is go and try a ballet flat 362 00:17:58,785 --> 00:18:01,545 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, yes, and see how you feel. 363 00:18:01,865 --> 00:18:03,785 Speaker 2: I can wear them all day round. Yeah, like the 364 00:18:03,785 --> 00:18:06,465 Speaker 2: ones that I wear are so comfortable. 365 00:18:06,185 --> 00:18:09,225 Speaker 1: And try different brands, you know, like with Bedfootwear and 366 00:18:09,265 --> 00:18:11,945 Speaker 1: Frankie four and you know, Joe Mercer are some of 367 00:18:11,985 --> 00:18:14,545 Speaker 1: the cumpfish shoes I've ever worn. So it might get 368 00:18:14,545 --> 00:18:16,545 Speaker 1: brands that you might have thought are daggy or that 369 00:18:16,625 --> 00:18:18,185 Speaker 1: you just aren't for you. But if you're going to 370 00:18:18,225 --> 00:18:19,865 Speaker 1: wear them day and day out, go try them on 371 00:18:19,905 --> 00:18:21,905 Speaker 1: and make sure that they're going to be comfortable, because 372 00:18:21,945 --> 00:18:24,025 Speaker 1: a cheap ballet flat or a one that's not made 373 00:18:24,025 --> 00:18:25,945 Speaker 1: well might be too thin. I mean I wore a 374 00:18:26,025 --> 00:18:28,985 Speaker 1: pair in London late last year and walked thirty thousand 375 00:18:28,985 --> 00:18:32,145 Speaker 1: steps and my back was buggered because I had no support. Yeah, 376 00:18:32,145 --> 00:18:34,345 Speaker 1: and I thought, flat shoe, I'll be fine, But no, 377 00:18:34,385 --> 00:18:49,105 Speaker 1: they're not all the same. It's very expensive. How wud 378 00:18:49,145 --> 00:18:54,385 Speaker 1: are these percent We're just going to bring things that 379 00:18:55,945 --> 00:18:57,945 Speaker 1: on the theme of dos and don'ts, but things just 380 00:18:58,105 --> 00:19:00,625 Speaker 1: we love or that are instant style updates or that 381 00:19:00,705 --> 00:19:04,145 Speaker 1: kind of illustrate what we've talked about. Yeah, let's start 382 00:19:04,145 --> 00:19:06,465 Speaker 1: with bougie. Let's go high first. What's your pay? 383 00:19:06,705 --> 00:19:09,185 Speaker 2: Well this was a bit bougie. Then, funnily enough, I 384 00:19:09,225 --> 00:19:11,705 Speaker 2: had no idea that we were going to talk about 385 00:19:11,785 --> 00:19:17,505 Speaker 2: barrel leg jeans so coincidentally, my bougie purchase was not 386 00:19:17,585 --> 00:19:20,785 Speaker 2: my purchase. Sorry, it's just to find is the barrel 387 00:19:20,865 --> 00:19:25,665 Speaker 2: jeans from Loway Bay. Oh don't, but I've specifically chosen 388 00:19:25,985 --> 00:19:31,385 Speaker 2: a beautiful indigo blue denim and they are one and 389 00:19:31,465 --> 00:19:32,465 Speaker 2: seventy two dollars. 390 00:19:32,545 --> 00:19:35,265 Speaker 1: Oh my god. If I won the lotto, I would 391 00:19:35,265 --> 00:19:37,985 Speaker 1: go straight there are they highways? 392 00:19:38,065 --> 00:19:39,545 Speaker 2: Yep, I'll send you the link. 393 00:19:39,745 --> 00:19:42,385 Speaker 1: No, don't, don't send me the load. I mean, we'll 394 00:19:42,385 --> 00:19:44,185 Speaker 1: put it in the show notes, but don't send it 395 00:19:44,225 --> 00:19:47,265 Speaker 1: to me personally. That leather jacket that they've done this season, 396 00:19:47,305 --> 00:19:48,585 Speaker 1: the chocolate jacket with. 397 00:19:48,585 --> 00:19:50,265 Speaker 2: The gathered logo, amazing. 398 00:19:50,305 --> 00:19:53,465 Speaker 1: As soon as I win my bougie is not bougie 399 00:19:53,545 --> 00:19:57,185 Speaker 1: at all. But it's more expensive and less fabric than 400 00:19:57,225 --> 00:19:59,225 Speaker 1: my budget. I'm going really good here. And it's funny 401 00:19:59,225 --> 00:20:01,465 Speaker 1: because just as we started recording, I was buying this, 402 00:20:01,545 --> 00:20:03,665 Speaker 1: so I haven't got it yet, but I clicked by 403 00:20:03,745 --> 00:20:08,225 Speaker 1: online because I have wanted a chocolate leather belt real 404 00:20:08,305 --> 00:20:09,865 Speaker 1: and I wanted a real leather and looks they are 405 00:20:09,865 --> 00:20:11,705 Speaker 1: everywhere for you know, one hundred and twenty, one hundred 406 00:20:11,705 --> 00:20:14,905 Speaker 1: and thirty dollars, and I just thought, really, I mean sure, 407 00:20:15,425 --> 00:20:17,785 Speaker 1: but then I just chucked it into Google, didn't I 408 00:20:17,785 --> 00:20:20,625 Speaker 1: I clicked purchase right as we started chatting Sally. The 409 00:20:20,705 --> 00:20:25,065 Speaker 1: Italian leather garrison belt. It's men's from Uniglow. 410 00:20:25,665 --> 00:20:27,385 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to be clicking on that link on 411 00:20:27,505 --> 00:20:28,305 Speaker 2: it's so good. 412 00:20:28,345 --> 00:20:31,705 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful sort of matte lever because some affordable 413 00:20:31,745 --> 00:20:34,825 Speaker 1: belts can sometimes look cheap. And then it kind of 414 00:20:34,865 --> 00:20:37,345 Speaker 1: just a little very simple brushed buckle of like a 415 00:20:37,385 --> 00:20:38,345 Speaker 1: goldie bronze. 416 00:20:38,425 --> 00:20:40,305 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what color the buckle was. 417 00:20:40,385 --> 00:20:42,745 Speaker 1: Yeah, the black has a silver, but no the brown, 418 00:20:42,825 --> 00:20:44,985 Speaker 1: and it is forty nine ninety five. I got a 419 00:20:45,025 --> 00:20:48,105 Speaker 1: medium in the men's. I do find Uniglo size is 420 00:20:48,185 --> 00:20:50,265 Speaker 1: quite small, so I'm sure that's fine. But I've got 421 00:20:50,265 --> 00:20:54,145 Speaker 1: from my grandmother one of those traditional old belt hole 422 00:20:54,185 --> 00:20:57,785 Speaker 1: punches that I inherited. Yeah, it's got a wheel with 423 00:20:57,785 --> 00:20:59,425 Speaker 1: all different and you just punch a hole. 424 00:20:59,465 --> 00:21:01,505 Speaker 2: And I just love you borrow that from you. 425 00:21:01,585 --> 00:21:03,345 Speaker 1: No one knows I've got it because I wouldn't get 426 00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:03,665 Speaker 1: it back. 427 00:21:03,745 --> 00:21:05,585 Speaker 2: It's so fair. Now they do. 428 00:21:05,705 --> 00:21:08,305 Speaker 1: Now, all right, what's your budget? 429 00:21:08,705 --> 00:21:13,025 Speaker 2: Okay? They barrel leg Indigo jeans at over one thousand 430 00:21:13,065 --> 00:21:15,705 Speaker 2: dollars or a bit out of your budget. Mine, I 431 00:21:15,785 --> 00:21:19,865 Speaker 2: suggest you head into your local cotton non store this weekend. Well, 432 00:21:19,865 --> 00:21:23,945 Speaker 2: they're equally dark indigo barrel leg jean that is currently 433 00:21:23,985 --> 00:21:27,785 Speaker 2: on sale. Oh my gosh, and it's forty nine dollars. 434 00:21:27,345 --> 00:21:32,585 Speaker 1: Wowwy full price seventy dollars. Wow. I know see there everywhere, 435 00:21:32,585 --> 00:21:32,985 Speaker 1: aren't they? 436 00:21:33,105 --> 00:21:35,105 Speaker 2: They're denim is agreed, honestly. 437 00:21:35,225 --> 00:21:37,385 Speaker 1: I mean, we all wish we could shop designer, but 438 00:21:37,385 --> 00:21:39,025 Speaker 1: at the same time, even if I had the money, 439 00:21:39,025 --> 00:21:41,545 Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't, you know, bar one or two pieces, 440 00:21:41,545 --> 00:21:44,585 Speaker 1: because there's such great affordable fashion out there. Well, I 441 00:21:44,625 --> 00:21:47,185 Speaker 1: wanted to bring something that I've been wearing untucked. It's 442 00:21:47,185 --> 00:21:49,905 Speaker 1: from Big w It's very cool. It's called the nineteen 443 00:21:50,025 --> 00:21:54,265 Speaker 1: sixty four Denim Company Women's Shack. It so when I 444 00:21:54,345 --> 00:21:56,305 Speaker 1: wear it, it looks like a denim shirt, but it's 445 00:21:56,305 --> 00:21:59,305 Speaker 1: that midweight that's really good for trans seasonal not quite 446 00:21:59,305 --> 00:22:03,625 Speaker 1: a jacket, not quite a shirt. Thirty five dollars I 447 00:22:03,785 --> 00:22:06,105 Speaker 1: sized up. I actually got a twelve and it's so 448 00:22:06,345 --> 00:22:08,145 Speaker 1: cool because I've been wearing with a lot of sheer 449 00:22:08,265 --> 00:22:11,905 Speaker 1: or sequin long skirt because the kind of heavier weight 450 00:22:11,985 --> 00:22:16,145 Speaker 1: and casual, more masculine denim, but with a feminine bottom. 451 00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:19,465 Speaker 1: I'm loving it. I don't tuck it in. It's lightweight 452 00:22:19,545 --> 00:22:20,985 Speaker 1: enough to tuck in if you did want to kind 453 00:22:20,985 --> 00:22:23,385 Speaker 1: of do a double denim or a wide leg pant. 454 00:22:23,185 --> 00:22:24,825 Speaker 2: So you could button it up and wear it as 455 00:22:24,825 --> 00:22:25,265 Speaker 2: a shirt. 456 00:22:25,785 --> 00:22:28,185 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely you could. But I button it up all 457 00:22:28,185 --> 00:22:30,585 Speaker 1: the way anywhere we're out because I've got sort of 458 00:22:30,625 --> 00:22:33,945 Speaker 1: little lulu lemon bloomers under my shear stuff, so I'm 459 00:22:33,945 --> 00:22:36,465 Speaker 1: not going to flash my full undies. But I still 460 00:22:36,505 --> 00:22:39,345 Speaker 1: don't really want people to see what's under the skirt, 461 00:22:39,385 --> 00:22:41,625 Speaker 1: so it just sits sort of past the bum, not 462 00:22:41,705 --> 00:22:43,945 Speaker 1: quite in to go, but quite a dark denim, so 463 00:22:43,985 --> 00:22:46,545 Speaker 1: it's not too casual, and it's just the perfect medium weight. 464 00:22:46,585 --> 00:22:48,945 Speaker 1: And it's thirty five dollars so you could. 465 00:22:48,705 --> 00:22:51,345 Speaker 2: Do that with the cotton on barrel Jean, Oh. 466 00:22:51,225 --> 00:22:54,865 Speaker 1: My god, bargain bargain while we save up for our 467 00:22:54,905 --> 00:22:55,865 Speaker 1: fancy designer. 468 00:22:56,305 --> 00:22:59,465 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. It's funny you mentioned the shear skirtly. 469 00:22:59,625 --> 00:23:03,145 Speaker 2: I just I feel like you Sydney girls are loving 470 00:23:03,225 --> 00:23:05,465 Speaker 2: that look at the moment, or maybe just everyone in 471 00:23:05,505 --> 00:23:06,465 Speaker 2: the Mum and me offices. 472 00:23:06,745 --> 00:23:08,065 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, me has started life. 473 00:23:08,105 --> 00:23:10,105 Speaker 2: It's quite common. Yeah, I've seen me wear. 474 00:23:09,985 --> 00:23:11,985 Speaker 1: It, and you know why, I also love it because, again, 475 00:23:12,065 --> 00:23:14,305 Speaker 1: I do a lot of thrifting. I will find a 476 00:23:14,345 --> 00:23:16,665 Speaker 1: really great dress, but maybe I don't like the top, 477 00:23:16,905 --> 00:23:20,865 Speaker 1: and so as it's getting cooler, I've either literally cut 478 00:23:20,905 --> 00:23:22,745 Speaker 1: the top off and then used a belt to keep 479 00:23:22,745 --> 00:23:24,905 Speaker 1: the skirt on, or i just wear now that it's 480 00:23:24,905 --> 00:23:26,985 Speaker 1: getting cooler. You know, a chunky knit over the top, 481 00:23:27,025 --> 00:23:28,945 Speaker 1: and I've got a lovely skirt and no one knows 482 00:23:28,945 --> 00:23:31,145 Speaker 1: what's under there. So if you've got a beautiful an 483 00:23:31,185 --> 00:23:34,345 Speaker 1: evening dress where the top's way too dressy, chuck on 484 00:23:34,385 --> 00:23:37,505 Speaker 1: a knit and you've got a skirt. Sally, thank you 485 00:23:37,585 --> 00:23:39,345 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. I'd love to sit next 486 00:23:39,345 --> 00:23:40,785 Speaker 1: to you on a long haul flight because we could 487 00:23:40,825 --> 00:23:44,385 Speaker 1: just talk fashion the entire time. Please come back soon, 488 00:23:44,585 --> 00:23:47,505 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for joining me. Thank you Lee, 489 00:23:48,025 --> 00:23:50,305 Speaker 1: thank you for listening to Nothing to Wear. And don't 490 00:23:50,305 --> 00:23:52,585 Speaker 1: forget to sign up to the matching newsletter. There's a 491 00:23:52,585 --> 00:23:54,945 Speaker 1: link in the show notes and it's free. See you 492 00:23:54,985 --> 00:23:58,345 Speaker 1: next week. This episode was produced by Molly Harwood, with 493 00:23:58,385 --> 00:24:00,065 Speaker 1: audio production by Lou Hill.