1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:15,265 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,345 --> 00:00:18,385 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,465 --> 00:00:19,345 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,545 --> 00:00:22,025 Speaker 2: Makeup is My Therapy. 5 00:00:22,305 --> 00:00:26,145 Speaker 3: I'm I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it. 6 00:00:28,385 --> 00:00:31,425 Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty the daily podcast for 7 00:00:31,545 --> 00:00:35,585 Speaker 4: your Face. I'm Aaron Dockerty and welcome to the formula. 8 00:00:35,625 --> 00:00:36,745 Speaker 2: Every week I sit. 9 00:00:36,625 --> 00:00:38,745 Speaker 4: Down with celebs and some of the biggest names in 10 00:00:38,825 --> 00:00:41,385 Speaker 4: beauty and take a look into their skincarey teams. 11 00:00:42,345 --> 00:00:42,745 Speaker 2: Ubies. 12 00:00:43,025 --> 00:00:45,985 Speaker 4: Have you ever wondered what happens behind the scenes in 13 00:00:46,025 --> 00:00:48,345 Speaker 4: the makeup chairs of a TV presenter? 14 00:00:49,345 --> 00:00:53,665 Speaker 2: Is their skin really that good? What are their insider secrets. 15 00:00:53,265 --> 00:00:57,105 Speaker 4: To looking so damn flawless on TV? Well, we were 16 00:00:57,145 --> 00:00:59,705 Speaker 4: wondering the same thing, so we've brought in at the 17 00:00:59,785 --> 00:01:02,665 Speaker 4: Lovely a catch to you what. She's not only a 18 00:01:02,705 --> 00:01:06,785 Speaker 4: stunning model, TV host and content creator, she's also a 19 00:01:06,825 --> 00:01:10,145 Speaker 4: former professional AFL player who's made a name for herself 20 00:01:10,145 --> 00:01:13,465 Speaker 4: in the media and beauty industry. Originally from war torn 21 00:01:13,585 --> 00:01:16,825 Speaker 4: South Sudan, a Ketch spent her childhood in a Kenyan 22 00:01:16,865 --> 00:01:21,065 Speaker 4: refugee camp before landing in Australia in just a few years, 23 00:01:21,105 --> 00:01:25,105 Speaker 4: she's made history as the first African woman drafted into 24 00:01:25,105 --> 00:01:29,145 Speaker 4: the AFL Women's competition. Today, I want to ask her 25 00:01:29,305 --> 00:01:32,265 Speaker 4: all about the skincare and beauty tips she's picked up 26 00:01:32,265 --> 00:01:35,865 Speaker 4: from her crazy lifestyle which takes her all over the world, 27 00:01:36,105 --> 00:01:39,785 Speaker 4: including what's actually worked for her acne and ezema prone skin, 28 00:01:40,225 --> 00:01:43,145 Speaker 4: and how she's redefining beauty standards. 29 00:01:42,665 --> 00:01:43,385 Speaker 2: In real time. 30 00:01:43,865 --> 00:01:49,585 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skill but how ay ketch. 31 00:01:49,745 --> 00:01:52,505 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us on the show today. 32 00:01:52,585 --> 00:01:56,545 Speaker 4: I am so excited to talk to you. You look beautiful, 33 00:01:56,585 --> 00:01:58,945 Speaker 4: you look glowing, and thank you so much. 34 00:01:59,505 --> 00:02:01,545 Speaker 1: No, thank you so much. Eron and the team thanks 35 00:02:01,545 --> 00:02:02,065 Speaker 1: for having me. 36 00:02:02,305 --> 00:02:03,905 Speaker 2: I can't wait to get into it now. 37 00:02:04,225 --> 00:02:08,425 Speaker 4: You're someone who has obviously had like such an incredible career. 38 00:02:08,825 --> 00:02:11,545 Speaker 4: You work across so many industries. I can't believe we 39 00:02:11,585 --> 00:02:13,745 Speaker 4: even snagged you for a chat because you're so bloody 40 00:02:13,745 --> 00:02:18,505 Speaker 4: busy all the time. You're an athlete, content creator, television presenter, 41 00:02:18,985 --> 00:02:22,385 Speaker 4: you're a public speaker, you wear all of the hats. 42 00:02:22,785 --> 00:02:24,385 Speaker 2: How has your. 43 00:02:24,225 --> 00:02:30,145 Speaker 4: Background influenced your views on beauty and representation in the media. 44 00:02:30,225 --> 00:02:34,345 Speaker 3: I think my background, especially being a former athlete, it's 45 00:02:34,385 --> 00:02:36,825 Speaker 3: really helped me, but also my culture, you know, the 46 00:02:36,865 --> 00:02:40,585 Speaker 3: sassen Is culture. I just remember growing up in households 47 00:02:40,665 --> 00:02:43,585 Speaker 3: and seeing women beauty was always something that was writing. 48 00:02:43,665 --> 00:02:45,945 Speaker 3: It was something that a lot of my aunties were 49 00:02:45,945 --> 00:02:48,905 Speaker 3: always looking after themselves, and it was just awesome to 50 00:02:48,945 --> 00:02:50,065 Speaker 3: see it was really beautiful. 51 00:02:50,145 --> 00:02:51,785 Speaker 1: I was the opposite. I was a tomboy. 52 00:02:52,065 --> 00:02:54,385 Speaker 3: I was the one that was just wearing my shorts, 53 00:02:54,465 --> 00:02:57,585 Speaker 3: walking around my soccer ball or boody or basketball, whatever 54 00:02:57,785 --> 00:02:59,945 Speaker 3: fall sports I can get my hands on. And so 55 00:03:00,025 --> 00:03:02,865 Speaker 3: I was kind of like a very late bloomer in 56 00:03:03,225 --> 00:03:06,585 Speaker 3: understanding beauty. But I saw red and I really appreciated it. 57 00:03:06,665 --> 00:03:09,345 Speaker 3: My older sister, Ayo, who is now a politician, was 58 00:03:10,345 --> 00:03:13,665 Speaker 3: and so growing up around that and being surrounded by 59 00:03:13,945 --> 00:03:17,345 Speaker 3: watching her on the cutwalk going on to do the 60 00:03:17,385 --> 00:03:20,025 Speaker 3: things that she was doing. I think over the years, 61 00:03:20,025 --> 00:03:22,825 Speaker 3: what I've learned is that it's not one size fit all. 62 00:03:23,385 --> 00:03:25,745 Speaker 3: Beauty is just all about if you're happy in who 63 00:03:25,785 --> 00:03:27,985 Speaker 3: you are and what you bring to the table. And 64 00:03:28,025 --> 00:03:31,585 Speaker 3: I never really wanted to just be influenced by just makeup. 65 00:03:31,665 --> 00:03:35,145 Speaker 3: I really just wanted to be influenced by my story, 66 00:03:35,265 --> 00:03:38,025 Speaker 3: and it was that playing sports, playing afl being the 67 00:03:38,065 --> 00:03:40,705 Speaker 3: first African woman to play in the AFLW. It was 68 00:03:40,905 --> 00:03:42,545 Speaker 3: just not for me. It wasn't for a cage or 69 00:03:42,625 --> 00:03:45,145 Speaker 3: my family. It was for my community. It was so 70 00:03:45,265 --> 00:03:49,105 Speaker 3: that young African girls can see themselves being represented, being 71 00:03:49,105 --> 00:03:51,905 Speaker 3: okay in their own skin, going to represent the different 72 00:03:51,905 --> 00:03:54,465 Speaker 3: clubs that will be representing. And I think for me, 73 00:03:54,585 --> 00:03:57,745 Speaker 3: that's kind of what beauty has always been about representation, 74 00:03:58,265 --> 00:04:01,545 Speaker 3: being okay and who you are, just being yourself. 75 00:04:01,865 --> 00:04:04,745 Speaker 4: Got such an amazing story. And I think especially working 76 00:04:04,745 --> 00:04:08,665 Speaker 4: in media, being on the TV sports presenting, that's such 77 00:04:08,705 --> 00:04:12,745 Speaker 4: a male dominated environment as well, so it's just so 78 00:04:13,585 --> 00:04:17,305 Speaker 4: empowering to see someone, a woman, be in there and 79 00:04:17,785 --> 00:04:20,625 Speaker 4: do your thing. Tell me a little bit about your 80 00:04:20,665 --> 00:04:23,865 Speaker 4: thoughts on the beauty industry right now in Australia. Do 81 00:04:23,945 --> 00:04:26,385 Speaker 4: you think we've come a long way? Do you think 82 00:04:26,385 --> 00:04:27,785 Speaker 4: we've still got a long way to go? 83 00:04:28,345 --> 00:04:29,625 Speaker 1: We've definitely improved. 84 00:04:29,665 --> 00:04:31,385 Speaker 3: You know, I've been here since I was twelve, Like 85 00:04:31,425 --> 00:04:34,385 Speaker 3: I'm thirty two now, so that's like over twenty years 86 00:04:34,385 --> 00:04:36,865 Speaker 3: of being in Australia. And you know, I remember when 87 00:04:36,865 --> 00:04:39,025 Speaker 3: I used to go into like the shelves of the 88 00:04:39,145 --> 00:04:42,265 Speaker 3: maccas and the Saphoras and all these shops and like 89 00:04:42,865 --> 00:04:46,185 Speaker 3: actually struggling to find a shade. And then you look 90 00:04:46,265 --> 00:04:48,825 Speaker 3: now into twenty twenty four, I can go in there 91 00:04:48,865 --> 00:04:52,465 Speaker 3: and find a shade maybe from nas. 92 00:04:52,305 --> 00:04:55,385 Speaker 1: Which is okay, but there's still a long way to go. 93 00:04:56,105 --> 00:04:56,665 Speaker 1: Like the UK. 94 00:04:56,785 --> 00:04:59,945 Speaker 3: When I went to the UK in twenty nineteen, my 95 00:05:00,025 --> 00:05:02,465 Speaker 3: mind was blown. Like I walked out of like a chemist, 96 00:05:02,705 --> 00:05:06,105 Speaker 3: just a normal chemist, and I literally could have bought 97 00:05:06,345 --> 00:05:08,825 Speaker 3: a whole bag. I actually did. I bought a twenty 98 00:05:08,905 --> 00:05:13,065 Speaker 3: kg bag like beauty products back from the UK, and 99 00:05:13,145 --> 00:05:16,785 Speaker 3: I literally had to get them DHL back into Australia 100 00:05:16,865 --> 00:05:18,945 Speaker 3: because I knew that I was not going to find 101 00:05:19,065 --> 00:05:23,545 Speaker 3: like the Nick schismatics that are unfortunately not in Australia. 102 00:05:23,625 --> 00:05:27,065 Speaker 3: For some reason, there's such a big gap in the 103 00:05:27,105 --> 00:05:31,825 Speaker 3: Caucasian skincare, the white skincare and then the black skincare. 104 00:05:32,225 --> 00:05:34,425 Speaker 3: And I think for us, that's always been the frustration, 105 00:05:34,665 --> 00:05:37,625 Speaker 3: is that I have to look into America and the 106 00:05:37,745 --> 00:05:41,225 Speaker 3: UK and all these different countries to go and get 107 00:05:41,225 --> 00:05:44,385 Speaker 3: our beauty products from and we're now giving it back 108 00:05:44,425 --> 00:05:47,385 Speaker 3: into their economies when we could easily be giving back 109 00:05:47,385 --> 00:05:50,185 Speaker 3: into the Australian economy. And I see that as a 110 00:05:50,185 --> 00:05:53,145 Speaker 3: really missed opportunity from these big brands. 111 00:05:53,465 --> 00:05:54,745 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a shade, but like, for. 112 00:05:54,785 --> 00:05:57,865 Speaker 3: Example, I'm having to be a science teacher when I'm 113 00:05:57,905 --> 00:06:01,865 Speaker 3: putting on makeup because I'm having to like formulate products 114 00:06:01,905 --> 00:06:04,625 Speaker 3: just to match my skin tone because there's always a 115 00:06:04,785 --> 00:06:08,225 Speaker 3: shade in the middle, always missing with especially foundations. 116 00:06:08,305 --> 00:06:10,625 Speaker 1: You know, as a consumer, it's quite exhausting. 117 00:06:11,105 --> 00:06:13,105 Speaker 3: There are so many people that can be put in 118 00:06:13,145 --> 00:06:16,585 Speaker 3: a room by all these big brands and start that 119 00:06:16,705 --> 00:06:20,545 Speaker 3: consultation process to try and help our communities also be 120 00:06:20,585 --> 00:06:23,905 Speaker 3: a part of identifying with brands as well, and so 121 00:06:24,145 --> 00:06:26,545 Speaker 3: I think sometimes as why we try to advocate and 122 00:06:26,585 --> 00:06:29,505 Speaker 3: we try to make ourselves visible as much as possible, 123 00:06:29,585 --> 00:06:33,345 Speaker 3: especially in these content spaces, because it's important. It's important 124 00:06:33,385 --> 00:06:37,545 Speaker 3: for my aunties and my future daughters and nieces to 125 00:06:37,625 --> 00:06:40,905 Speaker 3: also be be gone a mecca and finding their shades 126 00:06:40,985 --> 00:06:44,385 Speaker 3: without having to struggle looking at different stores just to 127 00:06:44,425 --> 00:06:47,305 Speaker 3: try and find a shade. Things have improved a little bit, 128 00:06:47,305 --> 00:06:48,985 Speaker 3: but we still have a long way to go in 129 00:06:49,025 --> 00:06:52,545 Speaker 3: and I think it's realistically the big brands coming back 130 00:06:52,585 --> 00:06:55,425 Speaker 3: to us as the customers and going, hey, we want 131 00:06:55,465 --> 00:06:57,945 Speaker 3: to include you in our products. We want to include 132 00:06:57,985 --> 00:07:00,945 Speaker 3: you in our family. You know, what can we do well? 133 00:07:00,985 --> 00:07:03,105 Speaker 3: How can we work together to really make sure that 134 00:07:03,145 --> 00:07:06,465 Speaker 3: we're not just gone and making up nut shades? 135 00:07:06,825 --> 00:07:09,865 Speaker 4: Yeah, and just saying we've got forty shades, right, shag 136 00:07:09,985 --> 00:07:11,585 Speaker 4: is a standard. We got forty shade and you're like, 137 00:07:11,665 --> 00:07:13,665 Speaker 4: but they're not actually suitable. 138 00:07:13,665 --> 00:07:15,585 Speaker 3: One of a good friend of mine Hillary from Home 139 00:07:15,665 --> 00:07:16,785 Speaker 3: Beauty Love Hilary. 140 00:07:17,265 --> 00:07:18,185 Speaker 1: Hilary is amazing. 141 00:07:18,265 --> 00:07:19,345 Speaker 2: She's so good. 142 00:07:19,465 --> 00:07:21,585 Speaker 3: And I went to a photo shoot and honestly, it 143 00:07:21,625 --> 00:07:23,505 Speaker 3: was the first time in a long time I felt 144 00:07:23,545 --> 00:07:27,065 Speaker 3: comfortable on set. I wasn't scared about having to be 145 00:07:27,185 --> 00:07:30,145 Speaker 3: color matched. I wasn't scared about this woman has like 146 00:07:30,265 --> 00:07:33,785 Speaker 3: worked so hard, worked with people like myself and others 147 00:07:33,825 --> 00:07:36,825 Speaker 3: in the community to really try and include us. For 148 00:07:36,945 --> 00:07:40,185 Speaker 3: such a small brand to do that, an Australian brand, 149 00:07:40,185 --> 00:07:43,105 Speaker 3: a Melbourne brand, to do that for us, it's so 150 00:07:43,185 --> 00:07:45,185 Speaker 3: amazing and it's like, I want to be a part 151 00:07:45,225 --> 00:07:47,305 Speaker 3: of the all the years that you're doing home beauty 152 00:07:47,345 --> 00:07:51,265 Speaker 3: because for me, that's what inclusion is, that's what being 153 00:07:51,705 --> 00:07:54,185 Speaker 3: you know, your dignity being respected looks like in the 154 00:07:54,265 --> 00:07:56,865 Speaker 3: beauty space. It's not just about Oh yeah, we're pumped 155 00:07:56,865 --> 00:07:57,705 Speaker 3: out forty shades. 156 00:07:58,025 --> 00:07:58,625 Speaker 2: Yeah you go. 157 00:07:58,905 --> 00:08:02,145 Speaker 3: It's like, actually, let's think about those forty shades. It's 158 00:08:02,225 --> 00:08:04,825 Speaker 3: me and my sister. We did not wear the same 159 00:08:04,945 --> 00:08:09,145 Speaker 3: makeup shade growing up because we had two different skin tones. 160 00:08:09,185 --> 00:08:11,665 Speaker 3: Even though people are like, oh, yeah, they're two black girls, 161 00:08:11,665 --> 00:08:13,465 Speaker 3: it's like and it's the same thing with you, and 162 00:08:13,505 --> 00:08:14,265 Speaker 3: you're probably your. 163 00:08:14,185 --> 00:08:15,825 Speaker 1: Siblings and your cousins as well. 164 00:08:15,945 --> 00:08:18,345 Speaker 3: Man, I think the more people understand that, the more 165 00:08:18,385 --> 00:08:21,505 Speaker 3: the beauty industry understand that, the better it is going 166 00:08:21,585 --> 00:08:22,505 Speaker 3: to be for everyone. 167 00:08:22,745 --> 00:08:25,745 Speaker 4: Even just the fact that a lot of different shades, 168 00:08:25,785 --> 00:08:27,705 Speaker 4: As you said, you can't walk into a store and 169 00:08:27,825 --> 00:08:31,185 Speaker 4: just pick a shade out, and then often there's brands 170 00:08:31,185 --> 00:08:34,305 Speaker 4: that say, oh no, but we do offer forty different shades. 171 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:37,585 Speaker 4: They're just online and it's kind of like that's a 172 00:08:37,585 --> 00:08:39,985 Speaker 4: whole different bowl game as well, trying to pick a 173 00:08:40,025 --> 00:08:43,145 Speaker 4: color online and waste time and money trying to decide 174 00:08:43,145 --> 00:08:46,145 Speaker 4: what color you are. When you can go into a 175 00:08:46,185 --> 00:08:49,425 Speaker 4: shop and physically try it on, that's a whole different experience. 176 00:08:49,545 --> 00:08:51,945 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is obviously you. 177 00:08:51,945 --> 00:08:55,025 Speaker 4: Beauty, So I want to know all about your skin, 178 00:08:55,385 --> 00:08:58,745 Speaker 4: your glowing skin that is blinding me, tell me a 179 00:08:58,785 --> 00:09:01,545 Speaker 4: little bit about it. Tell me about your skin type, 180 00:09:01,545 --> 00:09:04,545 Speaker 4: what kind of concerns you've dealt with where your skin 181 00:09:04,625 --> 00:09:05,185 Speaker 4: is at now. 182 00:09:05,465 --> 00:09:08,905 Speaker 3: Oh, my skin has been a journey. It has been 183 00:09:09,745 --> 00:09:14,265 Speaker 3: the most frustrating, overwhelming journey. I grew up with a 184 00:09:14,305 --> 00:09:18,945 Speaker 3: lot of pimples and acne growing up, so my whole teens, 185 00:09:19,265 --> 00:09:22,625 Speaker 3: even early in my twenties, I just was the girl 186 00:09:22,665 --> 00:09:25,385 Speaker 3: that was known to have pimples. Like there was points 187 00:09:25,385 --> 00:09:27,265 Speaker 3: where I just honestly did not want to walk out 188 00:09:27,305 --> 00:09:29,865 Speaker 3: of the house sometimes because I'll walk out and somebody 189 00:09:29,865 --> 00:09:32,745 Speaker 3: will go and recommend me two thousand products as if 190 00:09:32,785 --> 00:09:38,625 Speaker 3: I didn't try them. No, these aren't working, okay, dermatologists 191 00:09:38,625 --> 00:09:40,505 Speaker 3: like I did bloody try them. 192 00:09:40,585 --> 00:09:40,945 Speaker 1: Okay. 193 00:09:42,185 --> 00:09:44,985 Speaker 3: I just remember going, Okay, this is my journey. It's 194 00:09:45,145 --> 00:09:47,065 Speaker 3: I'm going to have to figure out what is going on. 195 00:09:47,305 --> 00:09:49,465 Speaker 3: And then one day I was just like walked into Mecca. 196 00:09:49,745 --> 00:09:51,145 Speaker 3: You know, I was like I had a bit of money. 197 00:09:51,145 --> 00:09:53,065 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, let me go spend my money, 198 00:09:54,225 --> 00:09:55,945 Speaker 3: and so I walk in. I like it was always 199 00:09:55,985 --> 00:09:57,985 Speaker 3: on my right side, my pimples used to just sit 200 00:09:58,265 --> 00:09:58,905 Speaker 3: and start walking. 201 00:09:59,065 --> 00:09:59,625 Speaker 1: I was like, hope. 202 00:09:59,625 --> 00:10:01,265 Speaker 3: I was just honest with that day. I was like, God, 203 00:10:01,825 --> 00:10:05,625 Speaker 3: give me, someone, give me an answer. I saw dermatologists 204 00:10:06,065 --> 00:10:07,945 Speaker 3: that cost me like five hundred dollars. 205 00:10:08,025 --> 00:10:11,705 Speaker 1: I was like, ah, they expensive. 206 00:10:11,945 --> 00:10:14,385 Speaker 2: But not that bad, like for real. 207 00:10:14,465 --> 00:10:16,425 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna stay with these pimples because 208 00:10:16,425 --> 00:10:18,505 Speaker 3: what why is this so expensive? Just it was just 209 00:10:18,545 --> 00:10:21,585 Speaker 3: an initial consult, okay, and girl. I was like, okay, 210 00:10:21,585 --> 00:10:23,785 Speaker 3: we feel the need to go to Mecca. So I 211 00:10:23,865 --> 00:10:27,825 Speaker 3: walk into Mecca. I see this beautiful lady, she's standing there. 212 00:10:28,025 --> 00:10:30,865 Speaker 3: I was like, you're my guardian angel today, my sister. 213 00:10:31,505 --> 00:10:35,025 Speaker 3: It's between you and I help your sister. And I 214 00:10:35,065 --> 00:10:36,705 Speaker 3: was She's like, what's going on? I was like, look, 215 00:10:36,825 --> 00:10:40,545 Speaker 3: this is the current situation. This what's happening. She looked 216 00:10:40,545 --> 00:10:43,025 Speaker 3: at me, she said, awesome, come come with me. She 217 00:10:43,105 --> 00:10:47,065 Speaker 3: then gave me this product it's called the Versal Sala 218 00:10:47,145 --> 00:10:50,745 Speaker 3: slic acid and I was like are you sure? 219 00:10:51,065 --> 00:10:53,065 Speaker 1: And she's like, just go try. 220 00:10:52,905 --> 00:10:57,505 Speaker 3: This combined it with this Kate Summerville over night cream. 221 00:10:57,545 --> 00:10:59,825 Speaker 1: And I was like, are you sure, my sister? She's 222 00:10:59,865 --> 00:11:01,025 Speaker 1: like yeah. I was like, you know, I'm about to 223 00:11:01,065 --> 00:11:04,865 Speaker 1: spend three hundred dollars. Has this better be right? Oh? 224 00:11:04,985 --> 00:11:07,465 Speaker 3: You know this is two days of working. My sister, 225 00:11:07,745 --> 00:11:09,825 Speaker 3: She's like, okay, just go and use it. Try if 226 00:11:09,825 --> 00:11:11,865 Speaker 3: it doesn't work bringing back. I was like, okay, I 227 00:11:11,905 --> 00:11:14,305 Speaker 3: started using it. And you know the thing about beauty 228 00:11:14,425 --> 00:11:16,665 Speaker 3: is that you have to have patient, have that patient, 229 00:11:17,225 --> 00:11:20,865 Speaker 3: and body reacts to how much patience you have. I 230 00:11:20,905 --> 00:11:24,225 Speaker 3: believe sometimes and I'm a patient girl. And so I 231 00:11:24,225 --> 00:11:28,025 Speaker 3: started being patient and then I swear my skin started 232 00:11:28,105 --> 00:11:32,745 Speaker 3: just like clearing, and I remembered sobbing because I was like, 233 00:11:33,185 --> 00:11:35,665 Speaker 3: are you telling me? I found something that finally worked. 234 00:11:36,025 --> 00:11:38,905 Speaker 3: And so I started doing some research online and I 235 00:11:38,985 --> 00:11:41,465 Speaker 3: just wanted to like bring back some glow and some 236 00:11:41,625 --> 00:11:44,705 Speaker 3: like looking alive in back to my skin. And so 237 00:11:44,865 --> 00:11:49,305 Speaker 3: I I discovered glycolic acid, and so I basically. 238 00:11:48,905 --> 00:11:49,585 Speaker 1: Combined the two. 239 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:51,825 Speaker 3: And I know for a lot of people they're really harsh, 240 00:11:52,145 --> 00:11:54,745 Speaker 3: but for me, it wasn't until I started combining those 241 00:11:54,785 --> 00:11:57,985 Speaker 3: two and the only two things that work were like 242 00:11:58,225 --> 00:12:02,545 Speaker 3: glycolic acid, the versal, the Kate Somemoville. Sometimes you have 243 00:12:02,585 --> 00:12:10,985 Speaker 3: to spend a bit of money to get really good products. 244 00:12:13,825 --> 00:12:15,945 Speaker 1: I mean, what is your self, Carroty. 245 00:12:15,745 --> 00:12:20,585 Speaker 4: Give us the dirty details. I want to find out 246 00:12:20,665 --> 00:12:24,225 Speaker 4: more about your skin. Carroteine tell me from morning tonight, 247 00:12:24,385 --> 00:12:27,065 Speaker 4: what does your routine look like and what other products 248 00:12:27,105 --> 00:12:27,465 Speaker 4: do you use? 249 00:12:28,465 --> 00:12:30,785 Speaker 3: Honestly, it's just for me, Like what I got from 250 00:12:30,825 --> 00:12:33,945 Speaker 3: that lady that day. My guardian angel from Mecca is 251 00:12:34,225 --> 00:12:36,785 Speaker 3: less is more, And I've always known this, and I 252 00:12:36,825 --> 00:12:40,905 Speaker 3: think the trends of the world, like online, has really 253 00:12:40,945 --> 00:12:43,265 Speaker 3: given people these bad habits of thinking that you have 254 00:12:43,345 --> 00:12:47,345 Speaker 3: to overuse things. Sometimes I tell people like less is more, 255 00:12:47,505 --> 00:12:50,025 Speaker 3: and so I would normally just wake up and I 256 00:12:50,145 --> 00:12:52,105 Speaker 3: try to just keep it as simple as possible. 257 00:12:52,265 --> 00:12:54,185 Speaker 1: Like at the moment, my skin is changing just. 258 00:12:54,145 --> 00:12:57,065 Speaker 3: Because of like the weather and everything is just happening 259 00:12:57,065 --> 00:12:59,505 Speaker 3: in Melbourne at the moment. So I've been finding myself 260 00:12:59,545 --> 00:13:02,985 Speaker 3: literally waking up some mornings and just washing my face 261 00:13:03,385 --> 00:13:06,585 Speaker 3: with nothing but just water. Set of Field has been 262 00:13:06,705 --> 00:13:09,305 Speaker 3: one of my big game changes. I've added Set of 263 00:13:09,305 --> 00:13:12,305 Speaker 3: Film routine, which has been amazing, and so I use 264 00:13:12,345 --> 00:13:14,945 Speaker 3: a lot of that as my body wash. Sometimes I 265 00:13:15,065 --> 00:13:18,105 Speaker 3: just use my face to cleanse it because I just 266 00:13:18,105 --> 00:13:19,385 Speaker 3: get the face and body wash. 267 00:13:19,585 --> 00:13:21,945 Speaker 4: I'm so affordable as well, and it just does both 268 00:13:21,985 --> 00:13:22,345 Speaker 4: at once. 269 00:13:22,545 --> 00:13:24,905 Speaker 3: I'm just like, do that. Just the more I stripped 270 00:13:24,945 --> 00:13:27,825 Speaker 3: it back, the better my skin got. And so that's 271 00:13:27,825 --> 00:13:29,825 Speaker 3: what I will do normally in the morning. And then 272 00:13:29,825 --> 00:13:32,425 Speaker 3: I got my two clutch. Actually, this is what I'm 273 00:13:32,465 --> 00:13:33,145 Speaker 3: currently stuck with. 274 00:13:33,945 --> 00:13:36,745 Speaker 1: Tell I gotta show and tell guys. 275 00:13:36,905 --> 00:13:39,305 Speaker 3: When I went to Paris last year, I went to 276 00:13:39,345 --> 00:13:44,425 Speaker 3: their sephora and I walked in anoother amazing girl put 277 00:13:44,465 --> 00:13:47,825 Speaker 3: me onto drunk elephant, and I missed the drunk elephant 278 00:13:47,825 --> 00:13:48,785 Speaker 3: craze on TikTok? 279 00:13:49,625 --> 00:13:50,785 Speaker 1: Would you believe it? How? 280 00:13:52,225 --> 00:13:54,305 Speaker 3: I don't know how I've missed it, but I wasn't 281 00:13:54,305 --> 00:13:56,985 Speaker 3: paying attention like that, And so she recommended me this 282 00:13:57,145 --> 00:14:01,265 Speaker 3: like polypeptide cream, and so I combined that with the 283 00:14:01,305 --> 00:14:04,465 Speaker 3: glycolic acid, and so I used those two things, and 284 00:14:04,505 --> 00:14:06,425 Speaker 3: then they had this Maroula oil. 285 00:14:06,745 --> 00:14:08,425 Speaker 1: I combined the three of them. 286 00:14:08,265 --> 00:14:11,905 Speaker 3: With the Maroula oil, which is like this Maurula versage 287 00:14:12,105 --> 00:14:15,985 Speaker 3: is beautiful and I really love the combination of those three. 288 00:14:16,345 --> 00:14:20,025 Speaker 3: And then I've also just recently discovered Bobby Brown last year. 289 00:14:20,105 --> 00:14:23,345 Speaker 3: It's the vitamin and rich face base. So I use 290 00:14:23,425 --> 00:14:26,305 Speaker 3: that before makeup and some days when I'm not aware 291 00:14:26,305 --> 00:14:28,185 Speaker 3: of makeup, if I'm just going for a run or 292 00:14:28,225 --> 00:14:30,665 Speaker 3: if I'm just going to just walk down the shops, 293 00:14:30,705 --> 00:14:34,025 Speaker 3: or whatever. I will just put it on my face. Honestly, 294 00:14:34,105 --> 00:14:37,585 Speaker 3: it's just kind of like just a moisturizer and it 295 00:14:37,665 --> 00:14:41,065 Speaker 3: does wonders and I have just kind of kept it 296 00:14:41,185 --> 00:14:43,985 Speaker 3: very simple and minimal. I use the same routine for 297 00:14:44,105 --> 00:14:46,425 Speaker 3: nighttime as well. Okay, it kind of works for me 298 00:14:46,465 --> 00:14:48,865 Speaker 3: at the moment, I try to get a lot of batials. 299 00:14:48,905 --> 00:14:51,785 Speaker 3: I'll go and get like facial steamers as well, which 300 00:14:51,825 --> 00:14:54,665 Speaker 3: has been really helpful for my skin. And it's been 301 00:14:54,705 --> 00:14:57,425 Speaker 3: fun because I'm thirty two, I'm giving people twenty two 302 00:14:57,465 --> 00:14:58,185 Speaker 3: at the moments, so. 303 00:14:58,145 --> 00:14:58,905 Speaker 1: I love that for me. 304 00:14:59,185 --> 00:15:02,625 Speaker 4: You look glowing, your skin looks amazing, so you're obviously 305 00:15:02,665 --> 00:15:03,665 Speaker 4: doing something. 306 00:15:03,425 --> 00:15:06,905 Speaker 2: Right make you. I love all of those. 307 00:15:06,745 --> 00:15:09,625 Speaker 4: Products you mentioned, and especially because there's such a nice 308 00:15:09,705 --> 00:15:12,665 Speaker 4: balance between you've got your set of fiel, you've got 309 00:15:13,025 --> 00:15:15,705 Speaker 4: the ordinary, Nay, you've got like some affordable products, and 310 00:15:15,745 --> 00:15:18,625 Speaker 4: then obviously you know exactly where to spend in your 311 00:15:18,705 --> 00:15:23,025 Speaker 4: routine when it comes to targeting your own personal concerns. 312 00:15:23,385 --> 00:15:26,585 Speaker 4: I also wanted to ask you your I mean, you 313 00:15:26,665 --> 00:15:29,065 Speaker 4: just mentioned you were in Paris. You're a frequent flyer, 314 00:15:29,265 --> 00:15:32,945 Speaker 4: You're everywhere. I want to ask you when you're flying, 315 00:15:33,025 --> 00:15:36,745 Speaker 4: do you have certain products that you use when you're 316 00:15:36,745 --> 00:15:37,025 Speaker 4: on a. 317 00:15:36,985 --> 00:15:39,265 Speaker 2: Flight, Like do you have like a team of mustabs? 318 00:15:39,465 --> 00:15:42,825 Speaker 3: I even't find sometimes, Like I will just pack vassaline 319 00:15:42,985 --> 00:15:46,145 Speaker 3: in my bag and like I'll find myself on the plane, 320 00:15:46,185 --> 00:15:48,865 Speaker 3: like just wiping my face with my two dollar face 321 00:15:48,865 --> 00:15:52,465 Speaker 3: wipes from Kmart and they're like they're just like water 322 00:15:52,505 --> 00:15:55,825 Speaker 3: ba face wipes, and like I've tried every face wipe 323 00:15:55,865 --> 00:15:58,265 Speaker 3: there is that don't work. So I've just gone back 324 00:15:58,305 --> 00:16:00,105 Speaker 3: and stripped it right back when to Kmart and I 325 00:16:00,185 --> 00:16:02,785 Speaker 3: got my two dollar ones and literally They've just been 326 00:16:02,865 --> 00:16:03,545 Speaker 3: my holy. 327 00:16:03,345 --> 00:16:05,665 Speaker 1: Grail over the years. And I'll wipe my. 328 00:16:05,665 --> 00:16:08,625 Speaker 3: Face and sometimes I'll just put a vassaline layer on 329 00:16:08,665 --> 00:16:09,105 Speaker 3: my face. 330 00:16:09,785 --> 00:16:12,705 Speaker 1: We keep it moving, and that would just helped me. 331 00:16:12,905 --> 00:16:14,225 Speaker 1: Like we used to laugh at. 332 00:16:14,105 --> 00:16:16,385 Speaker 3: Our families when we were living COCMA refugee cams or 333 00:16:16,385 --> 00:16:19,385 Speaker 3: when we were living in these camps. The only product 334 00:16:19,385 --> 00:16:23,625 Speaker 3: that our families was notoriously using was Niveia and basolene. 335 00:16:23,945 --> 00:16:27,105 Speaker 3: And I remember like our mothers would lather us up 336 00:16:27,425 --> 00:16:30,825 Speaker 3: in basilone and our skins were glowing, Like I remember 337 00:16:30,945 --> 00:16:34,105 Speaker 3: like we I would be shining right now. You could 338 00:16:34,145 --> 00:16:36,745 Speaker 3: see me from like don Caster like, for. 339 00:16:37,025 --> 00:16:40,385 Speaker 4: Excuse me, but I also come from a Vassline family. 340 00:16:40,705 --> 00:16:43,345 Speaker 2: We have one in like every room for some reason. 341 00:16:43,505 --> 00:16:46,225 Speaker 4: We're always walking around like even when we were kids 342 00:16:46,225 --> 00:16:49,105 Speaker 4: in all the photos, all of our top lips, like 343 00:16:49,225 --> 00:16:50,665 Speaker 4: we wouldn't just put it on the lip, like it 344 00:16:50,665 --> 00:16:53,385 Speaker 4: would be like everywhere. It's like were they eating something, 345 00:16:53,425 --> 00:16:54,505 Speaker 4: They're shiny. 346 00:16:54,785 --> 00:16:57,785 Speaker 3: Our parents were on. They've been ahead of time, They've 347 00:16:57,825 --> 00:17:01,745 Speaker 3: known everything Bassline on it. Yeah, I swear I've just 348 00:17:01,785 --> 00:17:05,185 Speaker 3: gone back to basoline these days. I got exma as well, 349 00:17:05,265 --> 00:17:08,185 Speaker 3: and I've got a bit of dermatitis, and so having 350 00:17:08,265 --> 00:17:11,065 Speaker 3: all those different sink concerns and stuff, it's been so 351 00:17:11,185 --> 00:17:13,265 Speaker 3: awesome to kind of like figure out what it is 352 00:17:13,625 --> 00:17:16,265 Speaker 3: that works for me and like sometimes I'll just love 353 00:17:16,305 --> 00:17:19,145 Speaker 3: it and like set of phil or QB and so Yeah, 354 00:17:19,185 --> 00:17:21,345 Speaker 3: with traveling has been really good. And I just like 355 00:17:21,545 --> 00:17:23,665 Speaker 3: honestly have just been so good at listening to my 356 00:17:23,745 --> 00:17:26,585 Speaker 3: skin or what my skin needs, especially if I have 357 00:17:26,625 --> 00:17:28,425 Speaker 3: an event and I know it's going to be like 358 00:17:28,425 --> 00:17:30,385 Speaker 3: a really long day when I'm gonna be wearing makeup. 359 00:17:30,785 --> 00:17:42,425 Speaker 4: Everyone knows that under great makeup is great skincare hit 360 00:17:42,625 --> 00:17:45,025 Speaker 4: And you've been one of the Greatest Discoveries of all 361 00:17:45,105 --> 00:17:51,345 Speaker 4: time or a miss never again never never. I want 362 00:17:51,385 --> 00:17:53,905 Speaker 4: to now move on to our hits and missus. It's 363 00:17:53,945 --> 00:17:55,625 Speaker 4: my favorite part of the show, and I feel like 364 00:17:55,665 --> 00:17:56,305 Speaker 4: you're gonna. 365 00:17:56,105 --> 00:17:57,385 Speaker 2: Have some good ones for us. 366 00:17:57,505 --> 00:18:01,905 Speaker 4: I want to know a skincare technique or product or 367 00:18:02,105 --> 00:18:05,865 Speaker 4: trend that you love, one that you hate. 368 00:18:07,025 --> 00:18:12,105 Speaker 3: One that I love. Is just animal. I love minimal 369 00:18:12,185 --> 00:18:16,265 Speaker 3: but I also love those beauty creators that are like realistic. 370 00:18:16,705 --> 00:18:20,105 Speaker 3: Like at the moment, people are really struggling financially, and 371 00:18:20,905 --> 00:18:22,825 Speaker 3: there was a time where I literally could not afford, 372 00:18:23,025 --> 00:18:24,945 Speaker 3: like I couldn't go to the Mecca and just afford this, 373 00:18:25,065 --> 00:18:26,545 Speaker 3: So do not where I used to go and do. 374 00:18:26,785 --> 00:18:27,985 Speaker 3: I used to go in there and be like my 375 00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:30,465 Speaker 3: sister girl, I don't have the budget for it, but 376 00:18:30,505 --> 00:18:32,065 Speaker 3: can you please give me some testers? 377 00:18:32,345 --> 00:18:33,985 Speaker 1: And like I said, they will give you. 378 00:18:33,905 --> 00:18:38,185 Speaker 3: Testers, and those testers will last you until you can 379 00:18:38,225 --> 00:18:39,185 Speaker 3: get your product. 380 00:18:39,265 --> 00:18:41,225 Speaker 4: You can drop a lot of money on product, So 381 00:18:41,745 --> 00:18:44,665 Speaker 4: I think there's definitely something in minimalistic. 382 00:18:45,105 --> 00:18:48,345 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love the creators that are able to 383 00:18:48,465 --> 00:18:52,305 Speaker 3: like really provide people with affordable and just making life 384 00:18:52,985 --> 00:18:56,265 Speaker 3: realistic because things are quite expensive at the moment. Cost 385 00:18:56,265 --> 00:18:58,945 Speaker 3: of living has gone up. So what I love is 386 00:18:59,185 --> 00:19:02,025 Speaker 3: minimal and stay in your lane. We're going to just 387 00:19:02,025 --> 00:19:04,025 Speaker 3: stick to things that we can afford. 388 00:19:04,185 --> 00:19:06,665 Speaker 4: You're our kind of girls. Ye're our kind of girls, 389 00:19:06,745 --> 00:19:09,145 Speaker 4: and I love that. But what's something that you hate? 390 00:19:09,705 --> 00:19:12,745 Speaker 1: Honestly is like everything like el was like nice cinema. 391 00:19:12,865 --> 00:19:14,785 Speaker 3: I've had people going night girls, you just need to 392 00:19:14,865 --> 00:19:16,585 Speaker 3: use nice cinema and I'm like, baby girl, I don't 393 00:19:16,585 --> 00:19:17,745 Speaker 3: even know what that is, but. 394 00:19:18,305 --> 00:19:21,145 Speaker 1: I've tried it. It just doesn't work. Like, let people 395 00:19:21,225 --> 00:19:22,665 Speaker 1: find what works for them. 396 00:19:23,025 --> 00:19:27,665 Speaker 4: Everyone is individual. You don't need to do what you 397 00:19:27,745 --> 00:19:29,825 Speaker 4: know everyone else is what everyone else is doing. Just 398 00:19:29,825 --> 00:19:31,825 Speaker 4: because it works for someone else, it doesn't mean it's 399 00:19:31,825 --> 00:19:32,065 Speaker 4: going to. 400 00:19:32,105 --> 00:19:34,505 Speaker 1: Work for you, No, one hundred percent. 401 00:19:34,905 --> 00:19:38,105 Speaker 4: Finally, I wanted to ask you, Sneaking one more question, 402 00:19:38,785 --> 00:19:44,265 Speaker 4: what inspires you most when it comes to redefining the 403 00:19:44,305 --> 00:19:45,345 Speaker 4: beauty standards? 404 00:19:45,985 --> 00:19:46,585 Speaker 1: But I think what. 405 00:19:46,665 --> 00:19:52,345 Speaker 3: Really inspires me is my nieces seeing the auntie as 406 00:19:52,385 --> 00:19:55,665 Speaker 3: their auntie, and then if they see me on TV, 407 00:19:55,825 --> 00:19:58,865 Speaker 3: nothing changes. They still see their auntie. You know, I'm 408 00:19:58,905 --> 00:20:01,345 Speaker 3: not trying to be somebody else. I'm not trying to 409 00:20:01,385 --> 00:20:04,945 Speaker 3: be something that I'm not telling them that is okay 410 00:20:05,025 --> 00:20:08,065 Speaker 3: for them to just be themselves that they're black and 411 00:20:08,105 --> 00:20:11,825 Speaker 3: they're beautiful and they're that's okay. That was not often 412 00:20:11,865 --> 00:20:14,305 Speaker 3: the case when we were growing up, and even for 413 00:20:14,385 --> 00:20:16,785 Speaker 3: me at times I struggled. I used to try and 414 00:20:16,825 --> 00:20:19,905 Speaker 3: compare myself. This person's doing this better than me, and 415 00:20:19,945 --> 00:20:22,905 Speaker 3: I'm like, but I am probably doing something else better 416 00:20:22,945 --> 00:20:23,505 Speaker 3: than that. 417 00:20:23,505 --> 00:20:24,065 Speaker 1: That's okay. 418 00:20:24,105 --> 00:20:26,385 Speaker 3: We all have things that we are also med. We 419 00:20:26,505 --> 00:20:29,425 Speaker 3: have things that for me often one of my favorite 420 00:20:29,465 --> 00:20:32,865 Speaker 3: feature that always get highlighted and people always comment on 421 00:20:32,945 --> 00:20:35,545 Speaker 3: me is my smile. And I love that that has 422 00:20:35,585 --> 00:20:38,265 Speaker 3: not changed since I was born, hasn't changed since I 423 00:20:38,305 --> 00:20:41,025 Speaker 3: was a teenager, and it'll probably never changed. And I 424 00:20:41,065 --> 00:20:44,025 Speaker 3: love that for me and that if that's my trademark, 425 00:20:44,185 --> 00:20:48,305 Speaker 3: my smile, I love that versus like if I'm you know, 426 00:20:48,425 --> 00:20:51,465 Speaker 3: dressing or and also in the Queen of affordable fashion, 427 00:20:51,665 --> 00:20:54,305 Speaker 3: I love getting a good bargain. I love going to 428 00:20:54,625 --> 00:20:56,985 Speaker 3: Vally Girl and just getting a good old thirty dollars 429 00:20:57,065 --> 00:20:59,945 Speaker 3: dress that wearing it on the wet carpet and people 430 00:20:59,985 --> 00:21:02,305 Speaker 3: are like, oh my goodness, what is that from age 431 00:21:02,425 --> 00:21:04,905 Speaker 3: I'm like, not babes from Valley Girl. 432 00:21:06,025 --> 00:21:06,585 Speaker 2: Look it up. 433 00:21:07,345 --> 00:21:08,665 Speaker 1: Check it out. Check it out for me. 434 00:21:09,225 --> 00:21:12,465 Speaker 3: So yeah, So it's certainly just for defining your own beauty, 435 00:21:12,505 --> 00:21:15,785 Speaker 3: being okay in your own skin, in your culture, in 436 00:21:16,105 --> 00:21:18,585 Speaker 3: who you are. And I think that's what's really helped 437 00:21:18,585 --> 00:21:21,185 Speaker 3: me over the years. You know the fact that I'm 438 00:21:21,225 --> 00:21:23,945 Speaker 3: now thirty two and I can happily say that, you know, 439 00:21:24,145 --> 00:21:28,025 Speaker 3: I'm a proud you know Susunese, African, you know, Australian 440 00:21:28,385 --> 00:21:31,345 Speaker 3: woman who has all these different awesome things that I 441 00:21:31,385 --> 00:21:33,985 Speaker 3: get to get up to. You know where it's simply 442 00:21:34,145 --> 00:21:36,465 Speaker 3: just because I was just myself. Is that I just 443 00:21:36,545 --> 00:21:39,625 Speaker 3: continue to show up as myself and nothing else, And 444 00:21:39,945 --> 00:21:41,025 Speaker 3: it's been been awesome. 445 00:21:41,105 --> 00:21:45,105 Speaker 4: I love that you are such a ball of sunshine. 446 00:21:45,145 --> 00:21:47,705 Speaker 4: I could literally sit here and talk to you for hours. 447 00:21:47,785 --> 00:21:51,545 Speaker 2: I don't want to try to end, but look, thank 448 00:21:51,585 --> 00:21:52,985 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. 449 00:21:53,185 --> 00:21:56,545 Speaker 4: There were so many great insider tips that you gave us, 450 00:21:56,585 --> 00:22:00,585 Speaker 4: so many great products, especially for people suffering with similar 451 00:22:00,705 --> 00:22:03,465 Speaker 4: skin conditions as you. 452 00:22:03,465 --> 00:22:06,985 Speaker 2: You're an absolute inspiration. Thank you so much for joining 453 00:22:07,065 --> 00:22:07,545 Speaker 2: us today. 454 00:22:07,705 --> 00:22:08,425 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 455 00:22:08,545 --> 00:22:11,625 Speaker 4: Eron, It's awesome, Thank you, thank you, and newbies, thank 456 00:22:11,665 --> 00:22:13,825 Speaker 4: you so much for listening to the show today. 457 00:22:14,025 --> 00:22:16,105 Speaker 2: If you'd like to leave us a five star review. 458 00:22:16,425 --> 00:22:17,985 Speaker 2: Please do, I'll love you forever. 459 00:22:18,345 --> 00:22:21,385 Speaker 4: The producer of You Beauty is Cassie Merritt, with audio 460 00:22:21,425 --> 00:22:22,745 Speaker 4: production by Lou Hill. 461 00:22:22,985 --> 00:22:28,425 Speaker 2: And I'll see you tomorrow. Bye.