1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:15,344 Speaker 1: So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,464 --> 00:00:19,024 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:26,024 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. 4 00:00:26,304 --> 00:00:29,464 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. 5 00:00:29,864 --> 00:00:32,264 Speaker 1: I'm Mburnham and I'm Laura Broadneck. 6 00:00:32,424 --> 00:00:37,424 Speaker 2: We're close to Christmas, We're at the finishing line. 7 00:00:37,424 --> 00:00:40,064 Speaker 1: This is our last day of full time work for 8 00:00:40,144 --> 00:00:42,784 Speaker 1: the year. Time. Don't worry. We're obviously going to be 9 00:00:42,784 --> 00:00:44,744 Speaker 1: around for Hot Pod summer, so don't stress out. You're 10 00:00:44,744 --> 00:00:46,864 Speaker 1: going to miss these dulcent tones in your ears. 11 00:00:46,864 --> 00:00:49,024 Speaker 2: But I'm not going to write a single words. 12 00:00:50,184 --> 00:00:53,704 Speaker 1: Delete slack, delete email. And because it's our last official 13 00:00:53,784 --> 00:00:56,424 Speaker 1: day in the office, we decided to do something that 14 00:00:56,464 --> 00:00:58,344 Speaker 1: we've wanted to do for I'm going to say since 15 00:00:58,384 --> 00:01:01,064 Speaker 1: we started working on this podcast together, something we are 16 00:01:01,224 --> 00:01:04,384 Speaker 1: very passionate about, something we've been dying to do, and 17 00:01:04,424 --> 00:01:08,944 Speaker 1: that is an entire episode dedicated to just yapping about 18 00:01:08,984 --> 00:01:10,104 Speaker 1: our favorite books. 19 00:01:10,384 --> 00:01:12,504 Speaker 2: Books count as entertainment. 20 00:01:12,664 --> 00:01:16,504 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think anyone's pushing back on that. And 21 00:01:16,544 --> 00:01:18,024 Speaker 1: also I feel like this is a good time to 22 00:01:18,104 --> 00:01:20,824 Speaker 1: do it because so many people out there are on 23 00:01:20,864 --> 00:01:23,624 Speaker 1: holidays or going into holidays at the moment, you're going 24 00:01:23,664 --> 00:01:26,184 Speaker 1: to have long, lazy days, hopefully at home. You might 25 00:01:26,224 --> 00:01:28,224 Speaker 1: want to get away from your family. You'll be lying 26 00:01:28,264 --> 00:01:30,464 Speaker 1: by a pool, and you want something good to read. 27 00:01:30,664 --> 00:01:32,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is our way of easing into the 28 00:01:32,784 --> 00:01:35,704 Speaker 2: book universe, because next year we are definitely going to 29 00:01:35,744 --> 00:01:38,664 Speaker 2: be doing way more book content. I just have so 30 00:01:38,784 --> 00:01:40,184 Speaker 2: many recommendations, and. 31 00:01:40,104 --> 00:01:42,744 Speaker 1: We do have some content coming over our summer series 32 00:01:42,784 --> 00:01:44,864 Speaker 1: about new books. But I feel like, as much as 33 00:01:44,864 --> 00:01:47,864 Speaker 1: it's really important to be across new releases, I do 34 00:01:47,904 --> 00:01:51,624 Speaker 1: feel now because what you're reading has become such currency 35 00:01:51,784 --> 00:01:54,624 Speaker 1: on like TikTok, with like BookTalk taking off and being 36 00:01:54,664 --> 00:01:56,904 Speaker 1: kind of the decider of which books are popular, or 37 00:01:56,904 --> 00:02:00,104 Speaker 1: people posting books today Instagram. I feel like it's become 38 00:02:00,224 --> 00:02:02,664 Speaker 1: a sort of currency of like everyone's reading like the 39 00:02:02,704 --> 00:02:05,784 Speaker 1: one big new book, which is great, but also there 40 00:02:05,824 --> 00:02:08,184 Speaker 1: are so many incredible books out there, Like you might 41 00:02:08,264 --> 00:02:10,024 Speaker 1: not want to read the new hot book of the year. 42 00:02:10,064 --> 00:02:11,904 Speaker 1: You might want to go back and read something some 43 00:02:11,984 --> 00:02:14,904 Speaker 1: of might have been out for over one hundred years. 44 00:02:15,144 --> 00:02:16,984 Speaker 1: And if you weren't around one hundred years ago, then 45 00:02:16,984 --> 00:02:18,904 Speaker 1: maybe you missed when it was the big best seller 46 00:02:18,944 --> 00:02:20,464 Speaker 1: and you need to pick it up now. It wasn't 47 00:02:20,504 --> 00:02:22,784 Speaker 1: there might have worn around And don't worry. We have 48 00:02:22,864 --> 00:02:25,264 Speaker 1: a weekend watch at the end of this episode, so 49 00:02:25,384 --> 00:02:27,664 Speaker 1: don't stress about that. But first of all, just a 50 00:02:27,664 --> 00:02:31,024 Speaker 1: little explainer of how we are setting up this episode, 51 00:02:31,024 --> 00:02:33,704 Speaker 1: how we chose these books. Yes, so you might have 52 00:02:33,784 --> 00:02:36,704 Speaker 1: heard me mention this before. It is my single biggest 53 00:02:36,704 --> 00:02:40,264 Speaker 1: achievement in life, my system of how I organize books 54 00:02:40,344 --> 00:02:42,664 Speaker 1: and how I recommend books, And it was born out 55 00:02:42,704 --> 00:02:45,064 Speaker 1: of this idea of that so many of my friends 56 00:02:45,064 --> 00:02:46,664 Speaker 1: and like colleagues over the years would come to me 57 00:02:47,064 --> 00:02:49,704 Speaker 1: and want book recommendations because I'm such an avid reader 58 00:02:49,744 --> 00:02:52,744 Speaker 1: and I get very passionate about my books and a 59 00:02:52,784 --> 00:02:55,064 Speaker 1: lot of the time, to sort of forget the tone 60 00:02:55,104 --> 00:02:56,784 Speaker 1: of what someone wants, you have to ask them what 61 00:02:56,824 --> 00:02:58,824 Speaker 1: they're in the mood for. And I feel like the 62 00:02:58,864 --> 00:03:00,864 Speaker 1: best way to do that is to liken it to 63 00:03:00,904 --> 00:03:02,624 Speaker 1: a food or beverage, because you know, when you're like 64 00:03:02,624 --> 00:03:03,984 Speaker 1: you're deciding to go out, You're like, what do you 65 00:03:03,984 --> 00:03:05,424 Speaker 1: feel like? Do you feel like this for dinner? Do 66 00:03:05,504 --> 00:03:07,224 Speaker 1: you feel like that? And that's how you get to 67 00:03:07,264 --> 00:03:08,904 Speaker 1: the heart of what someone wants. You can't just give 68 00:03:08,944 --> 00:03:11,384 Speaker 1: them a random book. So I set up this system, 69 00:03:11,384 --> 00:03:13,624 Speaker 1: which is the vodka, vegetable chocolate. 70 00:03:13,264 --> 00:03:18,464 Speaker 2: System, the most chaotic types of meals and drinks I know. 71 00:03:18,544 --> 00:03:20,464 Speaker 1: And some people are like, but vodkas are drinking. It's 72 00:03:20,504 --> 00:03:21,704 Speaker 1: a food. I'm like, no, no, we. 73 00:03:21,704 --> 00:03:23,624 Speaker 2: Don't like I'm not alcoholic. I'm like, no, no, no, 74 00:03:23,624 --> 00:03:24,264 Speaker 2: no no. 75 00:03:24,064 --> 00:03:26,144 Speaker 1: It's just a vibe. It's a feeling. You can drink 76 00:03:26,224 --> 00:03:28,104 Speaker 1: vodka as you read, but you don't have to. That's 77 00:03:28,104 --> 00:03:30,624 Speaker 1: not the rule. So it's the way I categorize my books. 78 00:03:30,664 --> 00:03:32,744 Speaker 1: So my friends and I now have a shorthand whether 79 00:03:32,744 --> 00:03:35,024 Speaker 1: they'll want a book, and I'll say and they'll be like, oh, 80 00:03:35,144 --> 00:03:37,024 Speaker 1: I need a vodka. But I also like, I'll take 81 00:03:37,024 --> 00:03:39,024 Speaker 1: a vegetable with me. And that's how I dole out 82 00:03:39,064 --> 00:03:43,424 Speaker 1: my books. So just sort the categories out vodka. These 83 00:03:43,464 --> 00:03:46,864 Speaker 1: are books that you potentially want to hit really hard 84 00:03:46,864 --> 00:03:50,624 Speaker 1: and fast in one night. A page turner, a thriller, 85 00:03:51,064 --> 00:03:51,944 Speaker 1: something exciting. 86 00:03:52,064 --> 00:03:53,704 Speaker 2: You have to know what happens next. 87 00:03:53,544 --> 00:03:56,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So it potentially will keep you up all 88 00:03:56,704 --> 00:03:58,464 Speaker 1: night because you have to finish it. All of my 89 00:03:58,704 --> 00:04:01,544 Speaker 1: biggest vodka books I've started in the afternoon. I finished 90 00:04:01,584 --> 00:04:04,104 Speaker 1: at like one am, two am, so you sometimes do 91 00:04:04,224 --> 00:04:06,504 Speaker 1: have a little bit of a hangover the next day. 92 00:04:06,584 --> 00:04:08,064 Speaker 1: And it's not the kind of book you can read 93 00:04:08,144 --> 00:04:09,784 Speaker 1: every day or every week, and like you have to 94 00:04:09,824 --> 00:04:12,744 Speaker 1: space your books out, But they are the books that 95 00:04:12,784 --> 00:04:13,584 Speaker 1: will give your buzz. 96 00:04:13,784 --> 00:04:14,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. 97 00:04:15,144 --> 00:04:18,064 Speaker 1: Vegetable books. Now, some people think that vegetable books are 98 00:04:18,064 --> 00:04:19,224 Speaker 1: the books that we don't want to read, but that 99 00:04:19,344 --> 00:04:21,264 Speaker 1: is not true. Now, they're not the borwing books because 100 00:04:21,384 --> 00:04:24,024 Speaker 1: we need vegetables exactly. The thing is, you need vegetables 101 00:04:24,064 --> 00:04:28,144 Speaker 1: in your diet, and when prepared correctly and when written correctly, 102 00:04:28,384 --> 00:04:31,904 Speaker 1: vegetables can be delicious. It's just that sometimes if you 103 00:04:31,944 --> 00:04:34,344 Speaker 1: want something sugary or like a hit of vodka, that 104 00:04:34,464 --> 00:04:36,944 Speaker 1: you're not in the mood for vegetables. But there's something 105 00:04:36,984 --> 00:04:40,424 Speaker 1: that you that are very satisfying, that good for you, 106 00:04:40,984 --> 00:04:43,904 Speaker 1: and you feel very good after consuming them. And that 107 00:04:43,984 --> 00:04:45,704 Speaker 1: is what a vegetable book will do for you. So 108 00:04:45,824 --> 00:04:48,904 Speaker 1: they can sometimes be like, you know, a classic book 109 00:04:48,944 --> 00:04:51,864 Speaker 1: or historical book or something. Everyone's books in these genres 110 00:04:51,864 --> 00:04:53,504 Speaker 1: are different. But for me, it's a book that I 111 00:04:53,584 --> 00:04:57,184 Speaker 1: might It's not one I'm like craving, but when I 112 00:04:57,264 --> 00:05:00,504 Speaker 1: consume it. It's satisfying and I feel good, and I 113 00:05:00,624 --> 00:05:02,464 Speaker 1: know that these books should make up a big part 114 00:05:02,504 --> 00:05:05,104 Speaker 1: of my diets. That's a vegetable book. But vegetable books 115 00:05:05,144 --> 00:05:06,504 Speaker 1: are also some of my favorite books. 116 00:05:06,624 --> 00:05:07,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. 117 00:05:07,264 --> 00:05:09,424 Speaker 1: So again, vegetabooks aren't bad. We have vegetables. 118 00:05:09,424 --> 00:05:11,264 Speaker 2: Books are also the best way to preach about when 119 00:05:11,304 --> 00:05:12,944 Speaker 2: someone asks I need something new to read. 120 00:05:13,064 --> 00:05:15,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's like you want to say to someone, oh, yeah, 121 00:05:15,384 --> 00:05:18,344 Speaker 1: I made like a butternut squash bake last night. 122 00:05:19,704 --> 00:05:20,544 Speaker 2: I've made a salad. 123 00:05:20,584 --> 00:05:22,464 Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I made a salad, and I feel 124 00:05:22,464 --> 00:05:24,384 Speaker 1: good about that. That's the same as telling someone that 125 00:05:24,424 --> 00:05:26,744 Speaker 1: you read a vegetable book. So often they're the ones 126 00:05:26,784 --> 00:05:29,344 Speaker 1: that people have prominently displayed in their homes, or they're 127 00:05:29,424 --> 00:05:32,104 Speaker 1: vegetables are ones that people love to put on Instagram, 128 00:05:32,304 --> 00:05:35,264 Speaker 1: like just casually reading, casually read quiet on the rest 129 00:05:35,264 --> 00:05:38,424 Speaker 1: in front of British furniture, just casually read War and Peace. 130 00:05:38,624 --> 00:05:41,304 Speaker 1: That's a vegetable vegetable book. And then we get to 131 00:05:41,384 --> 00:05:45,984 Speaker 1: chocolate books, which is just a little sweet. I've got 132 00:05:46,024 --> 00:05:48,144 Speaker 1: to say a lot of my diet of books is 133 00:05:48,224 --> 00:05:48,784 Speaker 1: chocolate book. 134 00:05:48,864 --> 00:05:50,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like eighty percent chocolate. 135 00:05:50,584 --> 00:05:53,784 Speaker 1: If that's nothing wrong with that, because again, chocolate imported 136 00:05:53,824 --> 00:05:56,344 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're frivolous, doesn't mean they're silly. It just 137 00:05:56,424 --> 00:05:58,304 Speaker 1: means that they can be a bit comforting, they can 138 00:05:58,344 --> 00:06:00,824 Speaker 1: be a bit light. They're easy to just pick up 139 00:06:00,824 --> 00:06:02,384 Speaker 1: and snack on, like you could just read a few 140 00:06:02,464 --> 00:06:05,104 Speaker 1: chapters here and there, and they just make you feel good. 141 00:06:05,104 --> 00:06:07,864 Speaker 1: They're like a delightful little treat that comes into your life. 142 00:06:07,904 --> 00:06:10,224 Speaker 1: So that is how we are setting up the episode 143 00:06:10,224 --> 00:06:13,584 Speaker 1: to We're going to do one book each for vodka, vegetable, chocolate, 144 00:06:14,224 --> 00:06:16,824 Speaker 1: and yeah, the best. The only kind of diet we 145 00:06:16,864 --> 00:06:18,544 Speaker 1: care about is a book diet, and that's what we're 146 00:06:18,544 --> 00:06:19,184 Speaker 1: here to talk about. 147 00:06:21,464 --> 00:06:24,944 Speaker 2: So I'm going to go first. I'm starting with the veggies. 148 00:06:25,424 --> 00:06:29,424 Speaker 2: This is a book that I have actually read twice, 149 00:06:29,744 --> 00:06:30,144 Speaker 2: So I know. 150 00:06:30,544 --> 00:06:32,384 Speaker 1: A vegetable book twice, that's impressive. 151 00:06:32,424 --> 00:06:35,184 Speaker 2: I think I read it twice because I didn't fully 152 00:06:35,264 --> 00:06:37,184 Speaker 2: grasp it the first time I read it, and there 153 00:06:37,184 --> 00:06:40,424 Speaker 2: were like a lot of storylines that I felt like 154 00:06:40,464 --> 00:06:42,944 Speaker 2: I skimmed over when I probably should have really concentrated on. 155 00:06:43,024 --> 00:06:45,864 Speaker 2: The issue I have is that I'm a really fast reader, 156 00:06:46,384 --> 00:06:49,304 Speaker 2: and that doesn't change depending on what type of book 157 00:06:49,304 --> 00:06:52,264 Speaker 2: I'm reading. And when you read a vegetable book really fast, 158 00:06:52,304 --> 00:06:55,264 Speaker 2: you don't actually sit with everything. You only sit with 159 00:06:55,304 --> 00:06:58,104 Speaker 2: what you finish. And I had to go back in 160 00:06:58,104 --> 00:06:59,944 Speaker 2: this book and then take it much slower. 161 00:07:00,024 --> 00:07:01,944 Speaker 1: Do you find that sometimes when you're reading that, your 162 00:07:02,024 --> 00:07:03,944 Speaker 1: eyes are darting ahead to like the bottom of the 163 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:05,984 Speaker 1: next page because you know where that's where the cliffhanger 164 00:07:06,024 --> 00:07:06,544 Speaker 1: is going to be, And. 165 00:07:06,464 --> 00:07:09,104 Speaker 2: I get excited. Yeah, it's kind of like when you're 166 00:07:09,184 --> 00:07:12,384 Speaker 2: watching a movie and you get really like angsy about it. Yeah, 167 00:07:12,464 --> 00:07:14,504 Speaker 2: it's similar with books. And then I'm like, wait, oh 168 00:07:14,624 --> 00:07:16,704 Speaker 2: what your mind wanders and then you're like, oh, I 169 00:07:16,704 --> 00:07:18,144 Speaker 2: have to read this page again because I have no 170 00:07:18,184 --> 00:07:19,064 Speaker 2: idea what just happened. 171 00:07:19,144 --> 00:07:21,224 Speaker 1: My trick for that because I only maybe it's different 172 00:07:21,224 --> 00:07:22,744 Speaker 1: if you're on an e reader or something, but I'm 173 00:07:22,784 --> 00:07:26,504 Speaker 1: old school only read physical books. Cover it. Yeah, I 174 00:07:26,624 --> 00:07:28,744 Speaker 1: hold it because it's always the cliffhanger is on the 175 00:07:28,824 --> 00:07:31,024 Speaker 1: second page on the right hand side. So I read 176 00:07:31,064 --> 00:07:32,904 Speaker 1: like this where I have my hand over the page 177 00:07:33,104 --> 00:07:34,744 Speaker 1: and I don't lift it up until I'm getting to 178 00:07:34,784 --> 00:07:35,144 Speaker 1: that bit. 179 00:07:35,224 --> 00:07:35,624 Speaker 3: So weird. 180 00:07:35,624 --> 00:07:37,424 Speaker 2: Why do we do that? Like, why do your eyes, 181 00:07:37,584 --> 00:07:38,424 Speaker 2: just like have a mind of them. 182 00:07:38,584 --> 00:07:40,464 Speaker 1: I also sometimes if I'm in a really exciting part 183 00:07:40,504 --> 00:07:43,024 Speaker 1: of a book, I stand up because I just I 184 00:07:43,144 --> 00:07:44,904 Speaker 1: just see it from the book to know that I'm present, 185 00:07:44,944 --> 00:07:45,504 Speaker 1: I'm in there with. 186 00:07:45,784 --> 00:07:47,424 Speaker 2: Don't do that like when you're in public, because that's 187 00:07:47,464 --> 00:07:48,064 Speaker 2: quite alarming. 188 00:07:48,424 --> 00:07:49,704 Speaker 1: I just stand up on a plane. 189 00:07:50,064 --> 00:07:54,304 Speaker 2: So my vegetable book is Girl Woman Other and it's 190 00:07:54,344 --> 00:07:58,344 Speaker 2: a novel. It's a novel by Bernardine Everisto. She won 191 00:07:58,384 --> 00:08:01,024 Speaker 2: the book A prize in twenty nineteen for it, and 192 00:08:01,304 --> 00:08:04,504 Speaker 2: it is extremely complex. Have you read it? 193 00:08:04,704 --> 00:08:04,864 Speaker 4: Yeah? 194 00:08:04,904 --> 00:08:05,064 Speaker 1: I have. 195 00:08:05,344 --> 00:08:08,304 Speaker 2: It's so confusing. So that's the main reason why I 196 00:08:08,344 --> 00:08:10,344 Speaker 2: had to read it twice because I would always reckon 197 00:08:10,424 --> 00:08:12,144 Speaker 2: mended to people and they're like, what's it about? And 198 00:08:12,144 --> 00:08:12,624 Speaker 2: I had to be. 199 00:08:12,624 --> 00:08:16,304 Speaker 1: Like, wait, you explained her witch shot, explaining. 200 00:08:15,944 --> 00:08:18,624 Speaker 2: It's literally that. They're like, so, why are you recommending this? 201 00:08:19,064 --> 00:08:21,064 Speaker 2: But I am recommending it because I read it twice 202 00:08:21,104 --> 00:08:23,744 Speaker 2: and I love it. So it focuses on the experiences 203 00:08:23,784 --> 00:08:27,544 Speaker 2: of Black British women across different generations, and it does 204 00:08:27,584 --> 00:08:31,944 Speaker 2: like all the themes like identity, race, gender, accepting, sexuality. 205 00:08:32,424 --> 00:08:36,024 Speaker 2: There's twelve characters like I count to twelve that possibly 206 00:08:36,144 --> 00:08:39,824 Speaker 2: is more, but each character has their own unique storyline, 207 00:08:39,904 --> 00:08:42,104 Speaker 2: which is where I think I got confused the first 208 00:08:42,104 --> 00:08:45,384 Speaker 2: time around. But the three main characters that I think 209 00:08:45,464 --> 00:08:48,344 Speaker 2: have the deepest storylines, thatch are constantly hearing from. We 210 00:08:48,424 --> 00:08:52,584 Speaker 2: first hear from Arma, who's like a playwright. She's a feminist, 211 00:08:52,664 --> 00:08:54,464 Speaker 2: and she's kind of like one of those really strong 212 00:08:54,504 --> 00:08:58,984 Speaker 2: feminists that's also trying to navigate the landscape of feminism 213 00:08:59,064 --> 00:09:01,304 Speaker 2: as it's changing and as we become like more modern. 214 00:09:01,664 --> 00:09:04,744 Speaker 2: She has a daughter named Jazz, who's a university student 215 00:09:04,904 --> 00:09:07,384 Speaker 2: who's also a bit confused in her life. And then 216 00:09:07,424 --> 00:09:10,904 Speaker 2: AMA's best friend's name is Dominique and she's currently struggling 217 00:09:10,984 --> 00:09:15,544 Speaker 2: in a domestic abuse of relationship. They all are such interesting, 218 00:09:15,824 --> 00:09:20,104 Speaker 2: well thought out characters, and the entire novel like spans 219 00:09:20,144 --> 00:09:23,024 Speaker 2: across more than a century in British history, so you're 220 00:09:23,024 --> 00:09:26,464 Speaker 2: seeing also history come within this novel, which is really interesting. 221 00:09:27,224 --> 00:09:31,184 Speaker 2: The hardest thing about this book is that every Stow's 222 00:09:31,264 --> 00:09:34,824 Speaker 2: style of writing is described as free flowing and poetic, 223 00:09:35,504 --> 00:09:38,824 Speaker 2: and that means there's no punctuation in. 224 00:09:38,904 --> 00:09:39,864 Speaker 1: The entire book. 225 00:09:39,904 --> 00:09:42,904 Speaker 2: I think there's one full stop in the entire novel 226 00:09:43,984 --> 00:09:46,984 Speaker 2: was so relief for me. 227 00:09:47,104 --> 00:09:48,184 Speaker 1: I can breathe. 228 00:09:48,464 --> 00:09:50,184 Speaker 2: But I think that's why I read it so fast 229 00:09:50,224 --> 00:09:52,544 Speaker 2: the first time. There's no like sentences, so. 230 00:09:52,464 --> 00:09:53,704 Speaker 1: You don't know where to stop. You just kept going. 231 00:09:53,944 --> 00:09:54,104 Speaker 3: Yeah. 232 00:09:54,104 --> 00:09:56,184 Speaker 2: I probably had my first break at that one full 233 00:09:56,184 --> 00:09:58,664 Speaker 2: stop halfway through, and I just kept going. But I 234 00:09:58,664 --> 00:10:00,664 Speaker 2: think a lot of people struggle with this book because 235 00:10:00,704 --> 00:10:03,264 Speaker 2: they can't get past that. And when I read it 236 00:10:03,304 --> 00:10:07,184 Speaker 2: for the second time, it just made everything so much better, 237 00:10:07,264 --> 00:10:10,824 Speaker 2: Like I fully immersed myself into her style of write, 238 00:10:10,984 --> 00:10:14,104 Speaker 2: and it just felt like one big, massive thought that's 239 00:10:14,144 --> 00:10:17,304 Speaker 2: just spanning across these generations and these years. And it 240 00:10:17,344 --> 00:10:19,384 Speaker 2: was just such an experience of reading that I've never 241 00:10:19,424 --> 00:10:22,184 Speaker 2: had before, and it was just so beautiful. It's such 242 00:10:22,184 --> 00:10:25,424 Speaker 2: a brilliant book. I highly recommend it to everyone. I 243 00:10:25,464 --> 00:10:27,704 Speaker 2: would say, if you're not an avid reader, this is 244 00:10:27,704 --> 00:10:29,584 Speaker 2: probably a really big one for you to start. 245 00:10:29,864 --> 00:10:31,504 Speaker 1: Don't if you haven't read a book for ten years, 246 00:10:31,504 --> 00:10:33,544 Speaker 1: don't leap in with this one. Don't leap in with 247 00:10:33,584 --> 00:10:33,984 Speaker 1: this one. 248 00:10:34,064 --> 00:10:36,504 Speaker 2: But if you love reading and you love like just 249 00:10:36,504 --> 00:10:37,944 Speaker 2: the description I gave you, this. 250 00:10:38,144 --> 00:10:41,584 Speaker 1: Needs to be on your list. Oh I really love that. Okay, 251 00:10:41,704 --> 00:10:44,384 Speaker 1: my vegetable book. I only realized after I had finished 252 00:10:44,384 --> 00:10:46,224 Speaker 1: making my notes for this episode, and I had very 253 00:10:46,224 --> 00:10:49,624 Speaker 1: painstakingly picked my book for each category that I've picked 254 00:10:49,824 --> 00:10:52,464 Speaker 1: novels that I all read as like a young teenager, 255 00:10:52,784 --> 00:10:55,144 Speaker 1: because this is the first time this idea started forming 256 00:10:55,184 --> 00:10:57,304 Speaker 1: in my head of like these different books. So I've 257 00:10:57,304 --> 00:11:00,784 Speaker 1: somehow picked my very first vegetable one could chocolate books, 258 00:11:00,584 --> 00:11:05,784 Speaker 1: that's by accident. So my vegetable book is The Color Purple, 259 00:11:06,344 --> 00:11:09,544 Speaker 1: which so so good. I have such a vivid memory 260 00:11:09,544 --> 00:11:11,704 Speaker 1: of I think I got it from the library and 261 00:11:11,744 --> 00:11:13,864 Speaker 1: like the school holidays and I was like fourteen. I 262 00:11:13,904 --> 00:11:15,584 Speaker 1: was like, I read it around the same age. 263 00:11:15,664 --> 00:11:18,904 Speaker 2: Yeah, my nana gave it to me, and I was like, Nana. 264 00:11:19,144 --> 00:11:21,584 Speaker 1: Was famous book. And I remember just like through the 265 00:11:21,584 --> 00:11:24,624 Speaker 1: school holidays really trying to like I loved reading it, 266 00:11:24,664 --> 00:11:25,984 Speaker 1: but I also it was the first time I was 267 00:11:26,024 --> 00:11:28,144 Speaker 1: really struggling to get through a book and I had 268 00:11:28,184 --> 00:11:30,544 Speaker 1: to sort of sometimes remind myself to go and read 269 00:11:30,584 --> 00:11:31,904 Speaker 1: it and finish it. And it's the first time I 270 00:11:31,944 --> 00:11:34,704 Speaker 1: remember telling myself as like a teen, like no, no, 271 00:11:34,784 --> 00:11:36,224 Speaker 1: this book is good for you. You need to read it, 272 00:11:36,264 --> 00:11:38,744 Speaker 1: you need to finish it. And so The Color Purple 273 00:11:38,824 --> 00:11:41,304 Speaker 1: came out in nineteen eighty two. It's a novel by 274 00:11:41,344 --> 00:11:44,864 Speaker 1: an American author called Alice Walker, and it was hugely 275 00:11:44,904 --> 00:11:47,664 Speaker 1: successful after it came out. It won the nineteen eighty 276 00:11:47,664 --> 00:11:50,704 Speaker 1: three Pulitz Surprise for Fiction and also the National Book 277 00:11:50,704 --> 00:11:53,184 Speaker 1: Award for Fiction, and Alice Walker is actually the first 278 00:11:53,224 --> 00:11:55,504 Speaker 1: black woman to win for fiction wow in the Politz 279 00:11:55,504 --> 00:11:58,744 Speaker 1: Surprise category. So that is obviously so well deserved. And 280 00:11:58,824 --> 00:12:01,544 Speaker 1: one reason I wanted to read the book before I 281 00:12:01,544 --> 00:12:03,344 Speaker 1: saw the movie or anything like that is that The 282 00:12:03,384 --> 00:12:05,904 Speaker 1: Color Purple has kind of sprung up into this whole 283 00:12:06,304 --> 00:12:09,464 Speaker 1: cornerstone of pop culture and entertainment over the years, and 284 00:12:09,504 --> 00:12:12,544 Speaker 1: when something like its yeah, exactly, and when something like 285 00:12:12,584 --> 00:12:14,344 Speaker 1: that happens, I think it's really important to read the 286 00:12:14,384 --> 00:12:17,144 Speaker 1: source material so you can you can understand what it's across. 287 00:12:17,464 --> 00:12:20,304 Speaker 1: So it was adapt into a film in nineteen eighty five, 288 00:12:20,384 --> 00:12:23,504 Speaker 1: directed by Steven Spielberg, and it had Whoopi Goldberg star 289 00:12:23,624 --> 00:12:26,584 Speaker 1: as the lead, and then it became a men Epra. Yes, 290 00:12:26,664 --> 00:12:29,824 Speaker 1: Oprah was in it too, as Sofia Danny Glover. Like 291 00:12:29,864 --> 00:12:33,024 Speaker 1: all Star cast, there was nomde for eleven Academy Awards 292 00:12:33,024 --> 00:12:35,264 Speaker 1: didn't win any, but it was nomd for eleven Academy Awards. 293 00:12:35,304 --> 00:12:38,384 Speaker 1: That's important to note. It then became a Broadway musical 294 00:12:38,424 --> 00:12:41,584 Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, and then just last year 295 00:12:41,664 --> 00:12:45,064 Speaker 1: it was adapted into So is the adaptation of the 296 00:12:45,304 --> 00:12:48,864 Speaker 1: Broadway musical into a movie, which if anyone hasn't seen that, 297 00:12:49,224 --> 00:12:52,744 Speaker 1: it is just incredible. I loved it so much. So 298 00:12:52,944 --> 00:12:55,864 Speaker 1: it's a story of Seely, who's a poor African American 299 00:12:55,904 --> 00:12:58,904 Speaker 1: girl living in rural Georgia in the early nineteen hundreds. 300 00:12:59,264 --> 00:13:01,984 Speaker 1: She is very close to her sister Nettie. They're being abused, 301 00:13:02,024 --> 00:13:04,784 Speaker 1: they get separated, and then it attracts Sealy's life over 302 00:13:04,904 --> 00:13:06,344 Speaker 1: thirty years and. 303 00:13:06,424 --> 00:13:07,624 Speaker 2: Such a sad story. 304 00:13:07,664 --> 00:13:10,184 Speaker 1: It is so sad. I remember just like being in 305 00:13:10,224 --> 00:13:12,104 Speaker 1: my room on the summer holidays. My siblings are out 306 00:13:12,104 --> 00:13:13,424 Speaker 1: in the pool. My mom's coming to my room and 307 00:13:13,424 --> 00:13:14,624 Speaker 1: she's like, why are you crying here? 308 00:13:14,624 --> 00:13:17,104 Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, right, especially the book, because 309 00:13:17,104 --> 00:13:20,064 Speaker 2: the book is like way more traumatizing than the moment. 310 00:13:20,144 --> 00:13:22,264 Speaker 1: I should say. The book has a bit of controversy 311 00:13:22,304 --> 00:13:24,424 Speaker 1: over the years in terms of like some of the 312 00:13:24,424 --> 00:13:27,904 Speaker 1: way it depicts domestic abuse and rape and sexual assault 313 00:13:27,984 --> 00:13:30,624 Speaker 1: and some people think it it's not handled in the 314 00:13:30,704 --> 00:13:32,584 Speaker 1: right way, and some people think we're reveling in pain. 315 00:13:32,704 --> 00:13:34,584 Speaker 1: There's a huge, long history there that I won't get 316 00:13:34,624 --> 00:13:37,104 Speaker 1: into it, and it's quite graphic. It's very graphic. Yeah, 317 00:13:37,144 --> 00:13:38,864 Speaker 1: just a warning of reading it. This is not in 318 00:13:38,904 --> 00:13:40,544 Speaker 1: any way a light read. But I just think it's 319 00:13:40,584 --> 00:13:43,784 Speaker 1: such an incredible story. You just feel like you're in 320 00:13:43,824 --> 00:13:46,104 Speaker 1: it when you're reading it, and it's so important, and 321 00:13:46,184 --> 00:13:47,944 Speaker 1: I just think sometimes we have to read things that 322 00:13:47,984 --> 00:13:49,704 Speaker 1: are difficult and sit in those stories. 323 00:13:49,424 --> 00:13:52,864 Speaker 2: Because it's important because it's depicting what actually would have happened. 324 00:13:53,064 --> 00:13:55,664 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly one hundred percent. It really kind of 325 00:13:55,744 --> 00:13:58,984 Speaker 1: is a moment in time where women, but especially African 326 00:13:58,984 --> 00:14:02,744 Speaker 1: American women in Georgia in that time, just have absolutely 327 00:14:02,784 --> 00:14:05,624 Speaker 1: no rights, and you see the pain and torture, and 328 00:14:05,664 --> 00:14:08,904 Speaker 1: sometimes those characters, like the side characters in those kind 329 00:14:08,944 --> 00:14:11,144 Speaker 1: of novels where you just seen as like you know, 330 00:14:11,144 --> 00:14:13,384 Speaker 1: they're the servants or they're like, you know, the supportive 331 00:14:13,544 --> 00:14:16,144 Speaker 1: like woman of color in the background kind of thing. 332 00:14:16,184 --> 00:14:18,184 Speaker 1: And so this is like taking that story and putting 333 00:14:18,184 --> 00:14:20,144 Speaker 1: it front and center. So it's a difficult read, but 334 00:14:20,144 --> 00:14:23,144 Speaker 1: it's so beautifully written, and it's my first memory of 335 00:14:23,224 --> 00:14:25,304 Speaker 1: kind of like making myself read a book outside of 336 00:14:25,304 --> 00:14:27,704 Speaker 1: school and being like, I'm so glad I've read that, 337 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:29,384 Speaker 1: like I needed to know that story. 338 00:14:29,784 --> 00:14:33,184 Speaker 2: Okay, moving onto vodka. I remember I got this really 339 00:14:33,184 --> 00:14:35,384 Speaker 2: mixed up because I thought it was about the speed 340 00:14:35,464 --> 00:14:37,904 Speaker 2: of how you read, and because I read really fast, 341 00:14:38,184 --> 00:14:41,504 Speaker 2: I would get my vodkas and chocolates mixed up quite often. 342 00:14:41,744 --> 00:14:44,584 Speaker 1: But like I said, it's sometimes a chocolate book for me, 343 00:14:44,664 --> 00:14:46,464 Speaker 1: bye me, a vodka book for someone else, or a 344 00:14:46,544 --> 00:14:48,824 Speaker 1: vegetable book, like it's a very personal decision. 345 00:14:49,144 --> 00:14:52,224 Speaker 2: I'm all vodka here yea. So my vodka book I 346 00:14:52,264 --> 00:14:55,384 Speaker 2: want to talk about is Yellow Face by R. F. 347 00:14:55,504 --> 00:14:55,784 Speaker 1: Kwan. 348 00:14:56,224 --> 00:14:59,584 Speaker 2: I've read this book so many times. It is so good. 349 00:15:00,064 --> 00:15:04,264 Speaker 2: It's like a very fast paced kind of like psychological drama, 350 00:15:04,304 --> 00:15:08,184 Speaker 2: but it's also very funny and very hectic, and I 351 00:15:08,224 --> 00:15:10,624 Speaker 2: think the pace of the novel dictates the pay of 352 00:15:10,624 --> 00:15:13,384 Speaker 2: how you read it, because you're constantly wanting to turn 353 00:15:13,504 --> 00:15:17,664 Speaker 2: to the next page. So it's about this writer, a 354 00:15:17,704 --> 00:15:21,384 Speaker 2: white writer, and it's important that she's white, named June Hayward, 355 00:15:21,704 --> 00:15:24,624 Speaker 2: who's in publishing. She's writing books, but she's not really 356 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:27,464 Speaker 2: making it like she's struggling a little bit. She has 357 00:15:27,504 --> 00:15:29,984 Speaker 2: a friend who's very good at writing books, and her 358 00:15:30,064 --> 00:15:33,624 Speaker 2: name is Athena, and Athena is an Asian American author, 359 00:15:34,064 --> 00:15:36,104 Speaker 2: and they both kind of started out at the same time. 360 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:39,504 Speaker 2: They're both the same age, except Athena just went skyrocketing 361 00:15:39,584 --> 00:15:42,744 Speaker 2: like writing amazing stuff, and June is kind of hanging 362 00:15:42,784 --> 00:15:47,544 Speaker 2: out in the background. Athena suddenly dies. It's like the 363 00:15:47,584 --> 00:15:49,584 Speaker 2: craziest dead scene I've ever read. 364 00:15:49,664 --> 00:15:51,544 Speaker 1: Every time I'm eating it home, I think about choking 365 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:54,544 Speaker 1: to death from that part of the RAS. 366 00:15:54,664 --> 00:15:57,144 Speaker 2: And this isn't a spoiler because it happens quite early. Yeah, 367 00:15:57,504 --> 00:16:01,944 Speaker 2: the first few pages. So Athena suddenly dies and June 368 00:16:02,024 --> 00:16:06,064 Speaker 2: was with her, and then after she dies, June finds 369 00:16:06,104 --> 00:16:09,744 Speaker 2: a manuscript of a novel that Athena was currently working on, 370 00:16:10,144 --> 00:16:14,984 Speaker 2: and June decides to develop a pseudonym named Juniper Song, 371 00:16:15,064 --> 00:16:18,664 Speaker 2: which yes, does sound like an Asian name, and publish 372 00:16:18,744 --> 00:16:23,744 Speaker 2: Athena's novel under her alias. And then what ensures is 373 00:16:23,824 --> 00:16:27,824 Speaker 2: just like so many critics and people in like think 374 00:16:27,864 --> 00:16:31,024 Speaker 2: of Reddit threads and people who are book fans trying 375 00:16:31,024 --> 00:16:34,624 Speaker 2: to figure out who Juniper Song is and then trying 376 00:16:34,664 --> 00:16:38,184 Speaker 2: to make connections like how come this girl June is 377 00:16:38,224 --> 00:16:40,784 Speaker 2: suddenly like taking off with like all of these shows 378 00:16:40,824 --> 00:16:43,264 Speaker 2: and stuff like that, Like people are starting to figure 379 00:16:43,344 --> 00:16:46,944 Speaker 2: out who really wrote the manuscript and it just dives 380 00:16:46,944 --> 00:16:49,584 Speaker 2: into this whole world of I want to call it 381 00:16:50,104 --> 00:16:54,944 Speaker 2: modern racism and modern microaggressions of what happens when you 382 00:16:55,024 --> 00:16:59,224 Speaker 2: have a white person who is a complete ally suddenly 383 00:16:59,264 --> 00:17:02,304 Speaker 2: gets support from people who aren't allies, and like how 384 00:17:02,344 --> 00:17:05,504 Speaker 2: that dictates how they see people of color. It is 385 00:17:05,624 --> 00:17:09,264 Speaker 2: just so incredibly done. It is really funny. The lengths 386 00:17:09,304 --> 00:17:11,264 Speaker 2: that some of the fans go to try to expose 387 00:17:11,344 --> 00:17:14,624 Speaker 2: her is insane, but it also just shows how far 388 00:17:14,704 --> 00:17:17,104 Speaker 2: you're willing to go just to be famous. 389 00:17:17,624 --> 00:17:19,104 Speaker 1: I love this book so much. It's one of my 390 00:17:19,224 --> 00:17:21,624 Speaker 1: vodka books as well, because I read it all in 391 00:17:21,704 --> 00:17:23,544 Speaker 1: one night. I couldn't stop them, like I have to 392 00:17:23,624 --> 00:17:25,824 Speaker 1: know because the build up of like is she gonna 393 00:17:25,824 --> 00:17:27,824 Speaker 1: get caught out? And who's going to catch her out? 394 00:17:27,824 --> 00:17:30,184 Speaker 1: And who are those anonymous messages coming from? And then 395 00:17:30,184 --> 00:17:32,424 Speaker 1: you start thinking, wait, is Athena even dead? Am I 396 00:17:32,464 --> 00:17:33,664 Speaker 1: going crazy? What's happening? 397 00:17:33,744 --> 00:17:36,384 Speaker 2: It's so good. I went to actually watch v Quan 398 00:17:36,504 --> 00:17:38,344 Speaker 2: speak and she came to Sydney to speak and I 399 00:17:38,384 --> 00:17:40,504 Speaker 2: went to get my book signing. It's a whole drama. 400 00:17:40,624 --> 00:17:42,344 Speaker 2: I was last in line and then they cut it 401 00:17:42,384 --> 00:17:45,144 Speaker 2: off right at me. It was so I had my 402 00:17:45,144 --> 00:17:46,704 Speaker 2: book and I was holding in front of the security 403 00:17:46,744 --> 00:17:49,224 Speaker 2: guard and I was like, please, sir, just me, It's 404 00:17:49,304 --> 00:17:52,104 Speaker 2: just me one morning. He's like, sorry, that's the hundred limit. 405 00:17:52,384 --> 00:17:54,984 Speaker 2: And my mom was like please, I never got my 406 00:17:54,984 --> 00:17:55,504 Speaker 2: book signed. 407 00:17:55,504 --> 00:17:57,904 Speaker 1: It was really sad. She speaks so well. 408 00:17:57,944 --> 00:18:00,664 Speaker 2: She's actually a fantasy writer and this was like her 409 00:18:00,704 --> 00:18:03,784 Speaker 2: first like no like chick lit novel, and the fact 410 00:18:03,824 --> 00:18:05,904 Speaker 2: that it was her first was just amazing because I'm 411 00:18:05,944 --> 00:18:08,544 Speaker 2: not really into fantasy, but she's a massive fantasy writer. 412 00:18:09,064 --> 00:18:10,984 Speaker 2: And so what she said was really interesting because every 413 00:18:10,984 --> 00:18:12,784 Speaker 2: time I recommend this book to someone, they either hate 414 00:18:12,784 --> 00:18:15,944 Speaker 2: it or love it. And she said that she loves 415 00:18:16,064 --> 00:18:18,464 Speaker 2: that people hate her characters, because that's exactly what she 416 00:18:18,584 --> 00:18:20,504 Speaker 2: was going, Yeah, I think you're meant to Everyone in 417 00:18:20,544 --> 00:18:23,664 Speaker 2: this book is so unlikable, like every single person, but 418 00:18:23,664 --> 00:18:26,784 Speaker 2: they feel like real people. It's so brilliant. Okay, what 419 00:18:26,944 --> 00:18:27,784 Speaker 2: is your vodka? 420 00:18:27,904 --> 00:18:29,224 Speaker 1: Okay, my vodka book? 421 00:18:29,344 --> 00:18:30,344 Speaker 2: She just had vodka with us. 422 00:18:30,384 --> 00:18:32,144 Speaker 1: I know it's I actually do have some my desk. 423 00:18:32,224 --> 00:18:35,064 Speaker 1: Someone sent it to me. So this is the first 424 00:18:35,104 --> 00:18:37,304 Speaker 1: book I stayed up all my reading. I'm really painting 425 00:18:37,304 --> 00:18:38,584 Speaker 1: myself as a cool teenager. 426 00:18:40,584 --> 00:18:42,944 Speaker 2: Especially you say your siblings are outside playing in the 427 00:18:42,984 --> 00:18:45,344 Speaker 2: sun and you're just crying over the color. 428 00:18:47,184 --> 00:18:49,544 Speaker 1: That is mean in a nutshell. So when I was 429 00:18:49,584 --> 00:18:52,544 Speaker 1: fourteen years old, I went into the school library very 430 00:18:52,544 --> 00:18:55,544 Speaker 1: early before my first class and bypassed the nuns who 431 00:18:55,544 --> 00:18:59,704 Speaker 1: were restacking the books, and I got this very battered 432 00:18:59,784 --> 00:19:02,224 Speaker 1: old copy of bram Stoker's Dracula. 433 00:19:02,264 --> 00:19:03,824 Speaker 2: Oh, they were definitely trying to hide that one. 434 00:19:03,984 --> 00:19:06,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe it wasn't even in I went 435 00:19:06,424 --> 00:19:07,944 Speaker 1: to a convent school. I can't believe there was even 436 00:19:07,944 --> 00:19:09,064 Speaker 1: a copy around. 437 00:19:08,944 --> 00:19:11,704 Speaker 2: Some None was like, I'm going to check, and these 438 00:19:11,704 --> 00:19:12,904 Speaker 2: girls are going to read Jaculas. 439 00:19:12,944 --> 00:19:15,184 Speaker 1: My sister a Gena'll shout out to you. I'm sure 440 00:19:15,224 --> 00:19:17,784 Speaker 1: a lot of people know the like Dracula obviously the character, 441 00:19:17,864 --> 00:19:21,744 Speaker 1: and this is the first definitive book his origin story, 442 00:19:22,144 --> 00:19:24,624 Speaker 1: you will. So it was written by Bram Stoko, who's 443 00:19:24,624 --> 00:19:28,504 Speaker 1: an Irish author, and published in eighteen ninety seven. I mean, 444 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:32,464 Speaker 1: it's a Gothic horror novel, and it is just so 445 00:19:33,264 --> 00:19:35,904 Speaker 1: it's almost for some people might be a vegetable book 446 00:19:35,984 --> 00:19:38,264 Speaker 1: because in some cases it could be hard to follow 447 00:19:38,304 --> 00:19:42,944 Speaker 1: because it's a very like archaic language. Yeah, to an extent, 448 00:19:42,984 --> 00:19:44,704 Speaker 1: not as much as you would think, like I guess, 449 00:19:44,744 --> 00:19:47,984 Speaker 1: like you know, there's a vampire here, just transcends time employees. 450 00:19:49,984 --> 00:19:52,104 Speaker 1: But it's a lot of it's told three letters and 451 00:19:52,184 --> 00:19:56,184 Speaker 1: diary entries, newspaper articles, maps, all that sort of thing, 452 00:19:56,384 --> 00:19:57,984 Speaker 1: so you know, you've got to sort of put it together. 453 00:19:58,344 --> 00:20:00,704 Speaker 1: But it sounds like a lot of work, but most 454 00:20:00,704 --> 00:20:02,304 Speaker 1: of it is just a narrative, but it's told from 455 00:20:02,344 --> 00:20:05,624 Speaker 1: different people's perspectives. But it is just such an incredibly 456 00:20:05,904 --> 00:20:09,104 Speaker 1: gripping story. So it starts off with johnk and Harko, 457 00:20:09,104 --> 00:20:13,064 Speaker 1: who's a solicitor and he travels to Transylvania to visit 458 00:20:13,104 --> 00:20:16,344 Speaker 1: this nobleman called Count Dracula because you know they're gonna 459 00:20:16,344 --> 00:20:18,024 Speaker 1: sell them some property, and it's. 460 00:20:17,944 --> 00:20:18,784 Speaker 2: Just anos Ferati. 461 00:20:19,104 --> 00:20:21,464 Speaker 1: Well, no, no, because nos Feratu is a ripoff of Dracula, 462 00:20:21,544 --> 00:20:24,624 Speaker 1: as you know from our previous podcast about that topic, 463 00:20:25,104 --> 00:20:28,984 Speaker 1: and so Dracula is obviously a vampire. And then locks 464 00:20:29,064 --> 00:20:31,744 Speaker 1: Jonathan in his castle. I'm obviously going over a lot here, 465 00:20:32,104 --> 00:20:34,984 Speaker 1: and he moves to this tiny seaside town of Whitby, 466 00:20:35,264 --> 00:20:39,984 Speaker 1: where Jonathan's fiance Mina, who's staying to see say that, 467 00:20:40,424 --> 00:20:42,944 Speaker 1: and he starts killing people. And then you've got Van 468 00:20:42,984 --> 00:20:46,904 Speaker 1: helsing who is this you know, who knows the who 469 00:20:46,984 --> 00:20:49,704 Speaker 1: is trying to hunt him down? And it is just 470 00:20:49,784 --> 00:20:55,464 Speaker 1: this incredible, like visceral, intense story, full of violence, full 471 00:20:55,464 --> 00:20:57,704 Speaker 1: of death, full of sex. As a fourteen year old, 472 00:20:58,024 --> 00:21:01,704 Speaker 1: I had not known. My only instruction to vampires was 473 00:21:01,704 --> 00:21:03,704 Speaker 1: Buffy the Vampires Like, and I was like. 474 00:21:03,744 --> 00:21:05,424 Speaker 2: Tell me, this was your sex education. 475 00:21:05,904 --> 00:21:07,784 Speaker 1: It Maybe it kind of was. I don't know, and 476 00:21:07,824 --> 00:21:09,184 Speaker 1: I just remember. So I got it out from the 477 00:21:09,184 --> 00:21:11,304 Speaker 1: library in the morning, and then all day through all 478 00:21:11,344 --> 00:21:13,384 Speaker 1: of my classes, I read it under the desk because 479 00:21:13,424 --> 00:21:14,944 Speaker 1: I was just like, holy sh I sued it all 480 00:21:14,984 --> 00:21:16,344 Speaker 1: timing story books under the desk. 481 00:21:16,304 --> 00:21:18,344 Speaker 2: And I was like, that's a straight porn. 482 00:21:19,304 --> 00:21:21,024 Speaker 1: I was just like, my heart was beating in my 483 00:21:21,144 --> 00:21:25,824 Speaker 1: chest so fast, because no, it's so violent and graphic. 484 00:21:25,864 --> 00:21:28,024 Speaker 1: I read at home, on the bus, I read all afternoon. 485 00:21:28,024 --> 00:21:29,864 Speaker 1: I read it into the night. I think I finished 486 00:21:29,864 --> 00:21:32,224 Speaker 1: it with a torch under my blanket that night. This 487 00:21:32,264 --> 00:21:35,544 Speaker 1: is a massive book. It is absolutely huge. Most people 488 00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:37,464 Speaker 1: say this takes them a month to read. I finished 489 00:21:37,504 --> 00:21:39,744 Speaker 1: it at about two in the morning, and then I was 490 00:21:39,944 --> 00:21:44,064 Speaker 1: so both terrified and just enamored and freaked out that 491 00:21:44,144 --> 00:21:45,664 Speaker 1: I stayed up. That's the first time I stayed up 492 00:21:45,664 --> 00:21:48,584 Speaker 1: all night as a teenager because my eye was just 493 00:21:48,744 --> 00:21:52,104 Speaker 1: overcome by this book. And that is the idea of 494 00:21:52,104 --> 00:21:54,584 Speaker 1: what a vodka book is. There's even lines I remember 495 00:21:54,624 --> 00:21:56,584 Speaker 1: reading for the first time of like when one of 496 00:21:56,624 --> 00:21:58,704 Speaker 1: the characters because Jucula's feeding on I don't want to 497 00:21:58,744 --> 00:22:00,264 Speaker 1: ruin exuse obviously want you want to go read it. 498 00:22:00,584 --> 00:22:03,984 Speaker 1: When Dracula is like secretly feeding on this one young 499 00:22:03,984 --> 00:22:07,104 Speaker 1: woman all night and she's slowly turning into a vampire, 500 00:22:07,184 --> 00:22:08,704 Speaker 1: and like the moment she starts to turn where she 501 00:22:08,704 --> 00:22:11,504 Speaker 1: starts describing like the blood pulsing through her veins and 502 00:22:11,504 --> 00:22:13,424 Speaker 1: she's like, oh, I can hear the mice down in 503 00:22:13,464 --> 00:22:17,104 Speaker 1: the cellars below scurrying about because everything's getting better. And 504 00:22:17,104 --> 00:22:19,584 Speaker 1: then like the moment where like Jacula comes through when 505 00:22:19,624 --> 00:22:22,184 Speaker 1: she's just about to die and she screams and ecstasies 506 00:22:22,224 --> 00:22:24,904 Speaker 1: her vampire lover, and I was like, what is happening. 507 00:22:25,584 --> 00:22:27,304 Speaker 1: It's just so it's such a good book. 508 00:22:27,504 --> 00:22:28,144 Speaker 2: You've cooked me. 509 00:22:28,944 --> 00:22:31,384 Speaker 1: I think you should read it. There's also an incredible 510 00:22:31,624 --> 00:22:36,104 Speaker 1: film adaptation. No it's called Bramstoke as Dracula, because I 511 00:22:36,144 --> 00:22:39,464 Speaker 1: wanted people to know. It's a direct movie based on 512 00:22:39,504 --> 00:22:41,424 Speaker 1: the book. So it's got when I'm in a writer 513 00:22:41,624 --> 00:22:45,704 Speaker 1: and Counta Reeves and Gary Oldman, and it's completely pulled 514 00:22:45,704 --> 00:22:47,504 Speaker 1: from the book. And the cast actually sat down and 515 00:22:47,584 --> 00:22:50,264 Speaker 1: read the entire novel in like a few days, not 516 00:22:50,304 --> 00:22:52,344 Speaker 1: one day like I did, but a few days so 517 00:22:52,384 --> 00:22:54,664 Speaker 1: they would have the exact flow and pattern of the 518 00:22:54,664 --> 00:22:56,824 Speaker 1: story to film the movie. So read the book first 519 00:22:56,864 --> 00:22:57,664 Speaker 1: and then watch the movie. 520 00:22:57,744 --> 00:23:03,064 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay. For my Chocolate book, I didn't write any 521 00:23:03,384 --> 00:23:06,464 Speaker 2: single note because I thought we could just both of 522 00:23:06,544 --> 00:23:10,144 Speaker 2: us go to town on this. Yeah. It is so base. 523 00:23:10,664 --> 00:23:14,144 Speaker 2: So if you're gonna call me a basic bitch, I know, Okay, 524 00:23:14,264 --> 00:23:16,584 Speaker 2: I know this book is basic. But there's a reason 525 00:23:16,664 --> 00:23:19,304 Speaker 2: it's basic, and that's because so many women love it. Okay, 526 00:23:19,384 --> 00:23:21,664 Speaker 2: so that's not even a good insult, even though I'm 527 00:23:21,664 --> 00:23:22,984 Speaker 2: talking to myself about it. 528 00:23:23,064 --> 00:23:24,824 Speaker 1: Okay, stop stop stalling. 529 00:23:24,464 --> 00:23:28,344 Speaker 2: Okay, It is everything I know about love by Dolly Albert. 530 00:23:28,544 --> 00:23:30,784 Speaker 1: That is not a basic book. That is a beautiful book. 531 00:23:30,824 --> 00:23:32,624 Speaker 1: And you know you're beautiful for recommending it. 532 00:23:32,944 --> 00:23:35,424 Speaker 2: The reason I'm recommending it is because I'm reading it 533 00:23:35,504 --> 00:23:38,064 Speaker 2: right now, because I read it after every time I 534 00:23:38,104 --> 00:23:39,464 Speaker 2: go through a heartache. 535 00:23:39,624 --> 00:23:41,664 Speaker 1: No Noboddy, So you can guess why I'm reading it 536 00:23:41,704 --> 00:23:41,944 Speaker 1: right now. 537 00:23:43,344 --> 00:23:45,984 Speaker 2: I read it so many times because it's been so 538 00:23:46,264 --> 00:23:48,824 Speaker 2: many It is a memoir. She started writing it when 539 00:23:48,824 --> 00:23:50,544 Speaker 2: she was twenty eight, which is my age now, and 540 00:23:50,584 --> 00:23:53,704 Speaker 2: I think it was published and really got everyone going 541 00:23:53,784 --> 00:23:56,784 Speaker 2: when she was around thirty, and then she completely took 542 00:23:56,784 --> 00:24:00,584 Speaker 2: off as an author after that. It's about love, it's 543 00:24:00,624 --> 00:24:04,624 Speaker 2: about breakups, it's about friendships, it's about living in share houses. 544 00:24:05,024 --> 00:24:09,424 Speaker 2: It's about annoying problematic men regardless of their age. It's 545 00:24:09,504 --> 00:24:12,864 Speaker 2: about just kind of accepting yourself. It even goes into 546 00:24:13,344 --> 00:24:16,064 Speaker 2: death and things like that and your parents getting older. 547 00:24:16,584 --> 00:24:20,064 Speaker 2: And it's one of those books that makes you feel 548 00:24:20,104 --> 00:24:23,504 Speaker 2: like you're not isolated with every thought you've had. There's 549 00:24:23,544 --> 00:24:26,224 Speaker 2: been so many like moments, I think, especially as a 550 00:24:26,264 --> 00:24:28,784 Speaker 2: young woman in your twenties, where you have a thought 551 00:24:28,944 --> 00:24:31,824 Speaker 2: or you have an experience and you think this sucks, 552 00:24:31,864 --> 00:24:33,664 Speaker 2: and like, who do I talk to because surely no 553 00:24:33,704 --> 00:24:35,624 Speaker 2: one's ever gone through this before, And then you read 554 00:24:35,664 --> 00:24:38,544 Speaker 2: Dolly Alton's book and you're like, oh shit, I was 555 00:24:38,624 --> 00:24:41,424 Speaker 2: completely wrong. I've never had an original thought in my life. 556 00:24:42,504 --> 00:24:44,784 Speaker 2: And it's just so good because I think this book 557 00:24:44,904 --> 00:24:48,104 Speaker 2: has just formed so many friendships in a way that 558 00:24:48,304 --> 00:24:51,544 Speaker 2: we've all just started talking about these kind of issues 559 00:24:51,584 --> 00:24:53,984 Speaker 2: that we've all gone through as growing up in your twenties, 560 00:24:54,024 --> 00:24:56,344 Speaker 2: whether you're in a relationship or single, or you had 561 00:24:56,344 --> 00:24:57,904 Speaker 2: friends or you don't have friends and you're making new 562 00:24:57,944 --> 00:25:00,744 Speaker 2: friends and your career. We're all just like becoming more 563 00:25:00,824 --> 00:25:04,144 Speaker 2: vulnerable and open with each other in a time where 564 00:25:04,304 --> 00:25:05,944 Speaker 2: we were kind of brought up to believe that we 565 00:25:05,944 --> 00:25:08,224 Speaker 2: always had to compete with each other. And I think 566 00:25:08,264 --> 00:25:11,224 Speaker 2: this book has done so much in just making women 567 00:25:11,384 --> 00:25:13,984 Speaker 2: feel really good about having each other in our lives. 568 00:25:14,664 --> 00:25:16,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously, I love this book so much. 569 00:25:16,784 --> 00:25:19,144 Speaker 1: It's one of my ultimate chocolate books. I love so 570 00:25:19,264 --> 00:25:20,944 Speaker 1: much that I've got a copy at home that I 571 00:25:21,024 --> 00:25:23,304 Speaker 1: reread all the time, and a copy at my desk 572 00:25:23,304 --> 00:25:25,544 Speaker 1: care at Mama Mia that I lend out to people. 573 00:25:25,664 --> 00:25:28,664 Speaker 2: Such a good book I'm getting so emotional talking about it. 574 00:25:28,864 --> 00:25:32,304 Speaker 2: I think everyone men should read this book. Yeah, everyone 575 00:25:32,344 --> 00:25:33,384 Speaker 2: read this damn book. 576 00:25:33,424 --> 00:25:35,504 Speaker 1: It's so good. Okay, I love that my chocolate book 577 00:25:35,584 --> 00:25:39,504 Speaker 1: is also about friendship. We're so cute. 578 00:25:39,744 --> 00:25:41,784 Speaker 2: The greatest loves you'll know are your female friends. 579 00:25:41,584 --> 00:25:44,024 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So my book is actually called a 580 00:25:44,104 --> 00:25:46,504 Speaker 1: Circle of Friends. I found it really hard to pick 581 00:25:46,544 --> 00:25:48,424 Speaker 1: a chocolate book, and then I found it really hard 582 00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:51,064 Speaker 1: to pick a book from this author because it's written 583 00:25:51,104 --> 00:25:53,744 Speaker 1: by mayv Binchi, who I think is my favorite author 584 00:25:53,824 --> 00:25:54,344 Speaker 1: of all time. 585 00:25:54,544 --> 00:25:56,384 Speaker 2: Been called but I'm excited for this because I haven't 586 00:25:56,384 --> 00:25:56,784 Speaker 2: read this. 587 00:25:56,904 --> 00:25:58,544 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so excited for you to read 588 00:25:58,544 --> 00:26:01,424 Speaker 1: it because May've Binchi has so many books out there, 589 00:26:01,504 --> 00:26:04,024 Speaker 1: and each one of them is just a masterpiece. It's 590 00:26:04,024 --> 00:26:05,464 Speaker 1: one of those authors where you can just like any 591 00:26:05,504 --> 00:26:07,384 Speaker 1: book that she has written, you can pick up and 592 00:26:07,464 --> 00:26:09,504 Speaker 1: just know that you'll have an incredible time reading it. 593 00:26:09,544 --> 00:26:10,864 Speaker 1: And it was hard to pee, but I went with 594 00:26:10,864 --> 00:26:13,464 Speaker 1: a Circle of Friends again. I read this as a teenager. 595 00:26:13,504 --> 00:26:15,064 Speaker 1: My mum gave it to me because she loves may 596 00:26:15,144 --> 00:26:18,024 Speaker 1: Bnchi as well. It's set in Dublin as well as 597 00:26:18,024 --> 00:26:21,184 Speaker 1: this like tiny town outside of Dublin Island called Knocklin 598 00:26:21,624 --> 00:26:25,464 Speaker 1: in Ireland in the nineteen fifties, and it starts off 599 00:26:25,504 --> 00:26:27,824 Speaker 1: with so the two main characters are even Bennie and 600 00:26:27,864 --> 00:26:30,504 Speaker 1: they live in this small town of Knocklann Eve is 601 00:26:30,544 --> 00:26:33,424 Speaker 1: an orphan, but her like rich family live in the town. 602 00:26:33,584 --> 00:26:35,344 Speaker 1: They just gave her up when her mother passed away. 603 00:26:35,424 --> 00:26:39,504 Speaker 1: She lives in a convent with nuns. Benny, yes, Benny 604 00:26:39,624 --> 00:26:42,624 Speaker 1: lives in a big house with her parents. Eva's tiny 605 00:26:42,784 --> 00:26:45,904 Speaker 1: and gets bullied for being an orphan. Benny gets bullied 606 00:26:45,944 --> 00:26:48,224 Speaker 1: for being very, very tall, which I obviously related to 607 00:26:48,264 --> 00:26:50,384 Speaker 1: as a teenager, that everyone calls her big and awful 608 00:26:50,464 --> 00:26:52,824 Speaker 1: and all this sort of stuff. And they become these 609 00:26:52,824 --> 00:26:55,544 Speaker 1: two best friends as kids when they're ten years old, 610 00:26:56,144 --> 00:26:59,544 Speaker 1: and then the story jumps forward to when they've finished 611 00:26:59,584 --> 00:27:02,144 Speaker 1: school and they're going to university in Dublin. There's this 612 00:27:02,144 --> 00:27:04,344 Speaker 1: whole big story about how they get there, and then 613 00:27:04,504 --> 00:27:06,944 Speaker 1: the story is about them in Dublin as like growing 614 00:27:07,024 --> 00:27:09,984 Speaker 1: women and everything that happens, the new friends they make, 615 00:27:10,024 --> 00:27:12,544 Speaker 1: the big love stories that they have, these group of 616 00:27:12,584 --> 00:27:14,824 Speaker 1: people they make. There's this huge kind of scandal that 617 00:27:14,864 --> 00:27:16,984 Speaker 1: happens towards the end of the book, which I'm just like, 618 00:27:17,184 --> 00:27:20,584 Speaker 1: if any friendship group has had a scandal, it's this. Honestly, 619 00:27:20,904 --> 00:27:22,744 Speaker 1: I only threw the book across the room when it happened. 620 00:27:22,744 --> 00:27:24,544 Speaker 1: I was like, made Binchi, you did not go there, 621 00:27:24,784 --> 00:27:27,984 Speaker 1: Oh my god. And it's just such a lovely, comforting book. 622 00:27:28,024 --> 00:27:31,064 Speaker 1: And also just the detail of may Binchi's writing is 623 00:27:31,144 --> 00:27:34,144 Speaker 1: why it's chocolate because she describes, you know, those authors 624 00:27:34,544 --> 00:27:37,584 Speaker 1: can just like keep you enamored by describing the room 625 00:27:37,624 --> 00:27:40,504 Speaker 1: and what everyone's wearing, and like the dresses that they 626 00:27:40,504 --> 00:27:43,224 Speaker 1: have made for this first big college ball they go to, 627 00:27:43,424 --> 00:27:45,224 Speaker 1: and the first time that one of them dances with 628 00:27:45,264 --> 00:27:48,504 Speaker 1: the hottest guy and starts dating him, and like the food, 629 00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:50,344 Speaker 1: the hot chips they get at the pub before they 630 00:27:50,384 --> 00:27:52,144 Speaker 1: jump on the train to go out to break you know, 631 00:27:52,224 --> 00:27:55,544 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So yeah, the Ultimate Chocolate Book. 632 00:27:55,584 --> 00:27:57,584 Speaker 1: So if you haven't read any of Mae Binchi's books, 633 00:27:57,584 --> 00:28:00,104 Speaker 1: holy hell, because also, like I said, they're scandalous, some 634 00:28:00,144 --> 00:28:02,104 Speaker 1: of them like scandal light. But if you love a 635 00:28:02,104 --> 00:28:05,464 Speaker 1: book that's just about like normal people who go through 636 00:28:05,904 --> 00:28:07,984 Speaker 1: an intense situation, that's what a lot of her books 637 00:28:07,984 --> 00:28:10,344 Speaker 1: are about. So read Circle of Friends like your whole 638 00:28:10,784 --> 00:28:13,504 Speaker 1: reading Red Circle of Friends By've made BINCHI then read 639 00:28:13,544 --> 00:28:16,704 Speaker 1: The Glass Lake. Holy hell, that's a page turner, and 640 00:28:16,744 --> 00:28:18,784 Speaker 1: then read Evening Class. They're my top three for hes. 641 00:28:18,904 --> 00:28:21,344 Speaker 2: Okay, we've got a little list, so much time I 642 00:28:21,384 --> 00:28:31,064 Speaker 2: have to do. 643 00:28:26,664 --> 00:28:27,904 Speaker 1: The weekend watch. 644 00:28:29,184 --> 00:28:31,824 Speaker 2: It is a weekend watch time where we give you 645 00:28:31,864 --> 00:28:34,824 Speaker 2: a new TV show, a movie to watch over the weekend, 646 00:28:34,864 --> 00:28:37,464 Speaker 2: and you let us know how great our recommendations are. 647 00:28:38,144 --> 00:28:42,464 Speaker 2: I've cheated with my one this week because I wanted 648 00:28:42,464 --> 00:28:46,264 Speaker 2: to recommend Mufassa, the new movie that's out right now 649 00:28:46,304 --> 00:28:50,824 Speaker 2: in cinemas. We were very kindly invited to the premiere. 650 00:28:51,624 --> 00:28:55,104 Speaker 2: We couldn't go because we already confirmed that we were 651 00:28:55,104 --> 00:28:57,824 Speaker 2: going to Baby Girl, and that invite got us two. 652 00:28:57,784 --> 00:29:00,784 Speaker 1: Very different movies, two very different invitations. 653 00:29:00,264 --> 00:29:03,744 Speaker 2: Very different movies. But Mafassa, unlike Baby Girl, that's coming 654 00:29:03,744 --> 00:29:08,144 Speaker 2: out next year sometime for us, hopefully, Mufassa's out right 655 00:29:08,184 --> 00:29:09,944 Speaker 2: now that you can watch, and a lot of people 656 00:29:09,984 --> 00:29:12,384 Speaker 2: in the were able to get tickets to it as well. 657 00:29:13,024 --> 00:29:16,184 Speaker 2: So I've actually, actually I haven't. I can't take credit 658 00:29:16,184 --> 00:29:19,624 Speaker 2: for this. Our producer, Kimberly, very kindly went out and 659 00:29:19,664 --> 00:29:21,904 Speaker 2: got voice notes on what mufasa is about the. 660 00:29:21,944 --> 00:29:24,144 Speaker 1: Outsourced your weekend Watch. I did not know we were 661 00:29:24,144 --> 00:29:24,824 Speaker 1: allowed to do that. 662 00:29:24,944 --> 00:29:28,024 Speaker 2: Okay, we need to take you back to ask me 663 00:29:28,104 --> 00:29:30,384 Speaker 2: anything episode, which if you haven't listened to, we'll link 664 00:29:30,424 --> 00:29:33,064 Speaker 2: in the show notes where I said my worst week 665 00:29:33,144 --> 00:29:35,224 Speaker 2: in watch was when I recommended The Witch Show because 666 00:29:35,224 --> 00:29:36,824 Speaker 2: I had no idea what was going on. You can't 667 00:29:36,824 --> 00:29:39,704 Speaker 2: make me do a week and watch a movie and 668 00:29:39,784 --> 00:29:42,664 Speaker 2: watch that would be like chaos induces. All I could 669 00:29:42,704 --> 00:29:45,104 Speaker 2: figure out was that it's very similar to the plotline 670 00:29:45,144 --> 00:29:48,304 Speaker 2: of Prince of Egypt. So if you watch Prince of 671 00:29:48,304 --> 00:29:50,584 Speaker 2: Egypt and you liked it, you'll probably like Moufasta. But 672 00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:53,384 Speaker 2: here's what the Mum and Me people said about the movie. 673 00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:57,584 Speaker 5: I really really liked it. I thought it was super heartwarming. 674 00:29:57,784 --> 00:30:00,264 Speaker 5: The story of like two brothers was really really nice 675 00:30:00,264 --> 00:30:02,384 Speaker 5: and kind of drew a lot of comparisons to my life. 676 00:30:02,464 --> 00:30:05,344 Speaker 5: Not in the sense that my brother tried to murder 677 00:30:05,384 --> 00:30:07,184 Speaker 5: me and like betray me, but like it was really 678 00:30:07,264 --> 00:30:11,424 Speaker 5: nice in that brotherly connection. And I realized the was awesome. 679 00:30:11,504 --> 00:30:12,664 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm obsessed. 680 00:30:12,784 --> 00:30:15,904 Speaker 4: It was the best. I had the best time The 681 00:30:15,984 --> 00:30:18,704 Speaker 4: Lion King is like my favorite Disney movie. I didn't 682 00:30:18,744 --> 00:30:21,224 Speaker 4: have Princess Disney movies growing up. I only had The 683 00:30:21,264 --> 00:30:23,104 Speaker 4: Lion King, so I wanted to be simple when I 684 00:30:23,144 --> 00:30:27,784 Speaker 4: grew up, and watching the Mufassa like the origin story 685 00:30:28,024 --> 00:30:30,584 Speaker 4: was just like so perfection. There were so many Easter 686 00:30:30,624 --> 00:30:34,624 Speaker 4: eggs for anyone that loves the original Lion King, and yeah, 687 00:30:34,704 --> 00:30:37,384 Speaker 4: I was just like crying most of the time. To 688 00:30:37,384 --> 00:30:39,624 Speaker 4: be honest, I was just so happy watching it. I 689 00:30:39,704 --> 00:30:42,824 Speaker 4: actually got married to the Lion King soundtrack, which I 690 00:30:42,864 --> 00:30:46,784 Speaker 4: know sounds really weird, but my first dance was can 691 00:30:46,824 --> 00:30:47,824 Speaker 4: you feel the Love tonight? 692 00:30:48,504 --> 00:30:51,904 Speaker 2: You thought I was bad at talking about potlins. 693 00:30:51,344 --> 00:30:54,264 Speaker 6: And movies, Okay, Well, we didn't get any information on 694 00:30:54,384 --> 00:30:58,544 Speaker 6: Mafasa from these two people who are my beautiful colleagues, 695 00:30:58,584 --> 00:31:01,104 Speaker 6: so I will not name and shame because they didn't 696 00:31:01,104 --> 00:31:02,024 Speaker 6: do my job for me. 697 00:31:02,584 --> 00:31:05,064 Speaker 2: But what I can tell from Mafasa is that it's 698 00:31:05,104 --> 00:31:09,624 Speaker 2: the origin story of Mufassa, but it's also a sequel 699 00:31:09,704 --> 00:31:13,144 Speaker 2: to The Lion King. So you have Simba and Nala 700 00:31:13,264 --> 00:31:17,264 Speaker 2: telling Kiara, their daughter, about the history of Mufasa like 701 00:31:17,344 --> 00:31:20,504 Speaker 2: Simba's dad, and then it goes into the prequel, we 702 00:31:20,584 --> 00:31:24,344 Speaker 2: find out that Maufas is actually adopted and the true 703 00:31:24,464 --> 00:31:28,224 Speaker 2: I guess quote unquote true biological son of the Pride 704 00:31:28,424 --> 00:31:30,944 Speaker 2: is Scar. And then we find out how Scar gets 705 00:31:30,944 --> 00:31:32,384 Speaker 2: a scar and how he becomes Scar. 706 00:31:32,944 --> 00:31:36,664 Speaker 3: It's time. I'll tell you a story, a story of 707 00:31:36,824 --> 00:31:40,464 Speaker 3: a come not much bigger than you. Long before they 708 00:31:40,544 --> 00:31:44,824 Speaker 3: became legends, Mufassa and the prince who would come to 709 00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:48,424 Speaker 3: be known as Scar became brothers. 710 00:31:48,904 --> 00:31:50,304 Speaker 1: Hello, what's your name? 711 00:31:50,704 --> 00:31:51,224 Speaker 3: Mufassa? 712 00:31:52,104 --> 00:31:53,384 Speaker 1: I told you to wait for me. 713 00:31:53,624 --> 00:31:55,144 Speaker 2: We can't just leave him there. 714 00:31:55,304 --> 00:31:59,144 Speaker 5: Rules are rules, Tucker, the king will never accept us stray. 715 00:31:59,304 --> 00:32:02,704 Speaker 2: I'm not astray, I'm just lost. 716 00:32:05,744 --> 00:32:07,024 Speaker 3: Sometimes I get a sin. 717 00:32:08,864 --> 00:32:12,224 Speaker 1: It's barely a Tresa on win and it smells like home. 718 00:32:13,184 --> 00:32:13,824 Speaker 3: Then it's gone. 719 00:32:16,864 --> 00:32:20,624 Speaker 1: You and Taka together, that is home. Now both of 720 00:32:20,664 --> 00:32:21,024 Speaker 1: you go. 721 00:32:22,864 --> 00:32:29,544 Speaker 5: Find you please a circle of life. 722 00:32:30,144 --> 00:32:32,184 Speaker 2: This circle is broken. 723 00:32:32,664 --> 00:32:37,784 Speaker 1: There will be one lion kid moves up. 724 00:32:37,944 --> 00:32:38,224 Speaker 5: Run. 725 00:32:40,104 --> 00:32:42,224 Speaker 1: On a different note, I am recommending a new TV 726 00:32:42,344 --> 00:32:44,304 Speaker 1: series that has come out this week, and it's called 727 00:32:44,424 --> 00:32:46,344 Speaker 1: Laid and it's streaming on Binge. 728 00:32:46,424 --> 00:32:50,984 Speaker 2: My exes are dying. What the three of your exportsns die? Sure? 729 00:32:51,144 --> 00:32:53,064 Speaker 1: A few of my exes are dead. 730 00:32:56,424 --> 00:32:57,144 Speaker 2: That's sex. 731 00:32:57,384 --> 00:32:58,664 Speaker 1: I think I have to warn them. 732 00:32:58,944 --> 00:32:59,464 Speaker 2: I do too. 733 00:32:59,664 --> 00:33:01,584 Speaker 3: I also think that I was hoping you'd say that 734 00:33:01,664 --> 00:33:03,264 Speaker 3: we'relling some deodorant and we'll head out. 735 00:33:03,744 --> 00:33:04,384 Speaker 1: This is a break. 736 00:33:04,624 --> 00:33:05,784 Speaker 2: Your life is endangerous. 737 00:33:05,904 --> 00:33:08,424 Speaker 1: What what Jesus? I have a lot of questions. 738 00:33:08,504 --> 00:33:11,144 Speaker 2: I wish I had more answers are just do it. 739 00:33:11,744 --> 00:33:13,504 Speaker 2: I need to figure out how to stop. 740 00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:15,184 Speaker 1: This because I like someone, shut it down like a 741 00:33:15,224 --> 00:33:16,944 Speaker 1: back and you can't like someone right now because you 742 00:33:16,984 --> 00:33:22,504 Speaker 1: could kill that. I will selve this. I know every 743 00:33:22,504 --> 00:33:25,504 Speaker 1: girl now is obsessed with murder, but I started a trend. 744 00:33:26,664 --> 00:33:29,304 Speaker 2: Are you wearing contur? I'm about to see all my 745 00:33:29,424 --> 00:33:31,184 Speaker 2: exes tell them they're dying it. 746 00:33:31,224 --> 00:33:32,344 Speaker 1: I don't think me looking like shit. 747 00:33:32,424 --> 00:33:33,264 Speaker 2: More stuffen the bluff. 748 00:33:34,144 --> 00:33:37,744 Speaker 1: So this is actually an American adaptation of an Australian 749 00:33:37,824 --> 00:33:40,544 Speaker 1: series of the same premise. And look, there has been 750 00:33:40,544 --> 00:33:42,704 Speaker 1: a lot of chat that the Australian version is a 751 00:33:42,744 --> 00:33:44,264 Speaker 1: lot better than the American version. 752 00:33:44,424 --> 00:33:48,144 Speaker 2: Is I haven't seen that in support, that's clear. 753 00:33:48,104 --> 00:33:50,464 Speaker 1: And to that I'll say, well, yes, most of the 754 00:33:50,544 --> 00:33:52,184 Speaker 1: time the original is better. 755 00:33:52,264 --> 00:33:55,264 Speaker 2: So most of the time the Australian version is the best. 756 00:33:55,264 --> 00:33:57,904 Speaker 1: Well, the original version of Anything's usually better, but this 757 00:33:57,984 --> 00:34:00,344 Speaker 1: is quite a good adaptation, and they're also very different, 758 00:34:00,344 --> 00:34:02,064 Speaker 1: so I feel like you could watch both the American 759 00:34:02,144 --> 00:34:04,784 Speaker 1: version and the Australian version and still have a fun time. 760 00:34:04,984 --> 00:34:07,024 Speaker 1: So the reason I wanted to recommend this though, and 761 00:34:07,304 --> 00:34:09,784 Speaker 1: the reason why I think it's worth watching the American version, 762 00:34:10,104 --> 00:34:13,104 Speaker 1: is that it stars Stephanie Shoe, who I absolutely love. 763 00:34:13,464 --> 00:34:14,944 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people fell in love with 764 00:34:14,984 --> 00:34:17,984 Speaker 1: her from everything, everywhere, all at once, and. 765 00:34:17,704 --> 00:34:18,744 Speaker 2: She's so good. 766 00:34:18,864 --> 00:34:20,584 Speaker 1: She's so good, and she's so good in this, and 767 00:34:20,584 --> 00:34:23,224 Speaker 1: I think it's worth just watching it for her performance alone. 768 00:34:23,344 --> 00:34:25,704 Speaker 1: So she plays a woman who finds out that all 769 00:34:25,744 --> 00:34:28,944 Speaker 1: of her former lovers are dying. They're all dying in 770 00:34:29,104 --> 00:34:31,824 Speaker 1: very unusual ways, and so she's got to go back 771 00:34:31,864 --> 00:34:35,104 Speaker 1: through her sex timeline and try and work out what's happened, 772 00:34:35,344 --> 00:34:37,304 Speaker 1: both so she can move forward with her life, but 773 00:34:37,384 --> 00:34:40,784 Speaker 1: also to save the few men that are left. So 774 00:34:40,984 --> 00:34:43,304 Speaker 1: it's really funny. It's super interesting. 775 00:34:43,024 --> 00:34:44,424 Speaker 2: A crazy version of good Luck Chuck. 776 00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:47,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the opposite of that. It's a really funny, 777 00:34:47,464 --> 00:34:51,024 Speaker 1: quirky comedy. Stephanie Shoe's amazing in it. Zosia Marmot's in 778 00:34:51,064 --> 00:34:53,504 Speaker 1: it too. She's incredible. It's on Binge If you're just 779 00:34:53,544 --> 00:34:55,824 Speaker 1: looking for a fun little we can watch leading into 780 00:34:55,864 --> 00:34:56,704 Speaker 1: the holidays, that's. 781 00:34:56,624 --> 00:34:59,304 Speaker 2: Going on our list. So thank you so much for 782 00:34:59,384 --> 00:35:01,784 Speaker 2: listening to The Spill today. We hope you really loved 783 00:35:01,824 --> 00:35:05,824 Speaker 2: the This Book Special episode because we love reading so 784 00:35:05,984 --> 00:35:09,344 Speaker 2: much and we definitely want to recommend more books next year. 785 00:35:09,744 --> 00:35:13,384 Speaker 2: And if you a more deep analysis of the vodka 786 00:35:13,504 --> 00:35:18,784 Speaker 2: chocolate vegetable theory, LB has done an extremely viral article 787 00:35:18,864 --> 00:35:21,024 Speaker 2: on it that explained everything for you, so you can 788 00:35:21,104 --> 00:35:23,504 Speaker 2: have it as like your little prep doc while you 789 00:35:23,544 --> 00:35:25,584 Speaker 2: go before you choose your books. We will link that 790 00:35:25,704 --> 00:35:29,024 Speaker 2: article in our show notes. We're also gonna keep being 791 00:35:29,104 --> 00:35:31,864 Speaker 2: in your ears till we get back on break, which 792 00:35:32,024 --> 00:35:33,824 Speaker 2: I guess is not even a break if we're saying 793 00:35:33,864 --> 00:35:36,784 Speaker 2: that we have so much content coming out, don't we. 794 00:35:37,144 --> 00:35:38,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this it might be our last day in 795 00:35:38,704 --> 00:35:41,184 Speaker 1: the office, but we have so much new content for 796 00:35:41,224 --> 00:35:43,224 Speaker 1: you guys coming out over the summer break, some of 797 00:35:43,264 --> 00:35:44,064 Speaker 1: our best episodes. 798 00:35:44,344 --> 00:35:46,624 Speaker 2: We've had so much fun with these episodes. 799 00:35:46,704 --> 00:35:50,824 Speaker 1: We're going through celebrity scandals with celebrity breakups, but also 800 00:35:50,984 --> 00:35:55,344 Speaker 1: we're going through the best new TV shows of the summer, 801 00:35:55,384 --> 00:35:57,544 Speaker 1: so we'll have so many recommendations coming for you guys. 802 00:35:57,624 --> 00:36:00,784 Speaker 1: We're doing best new movies, doing books, just so much 803 00:36:00,824 --> 00:36:02,384 Speaker 1: good stuff coming out. 804 00:36:01,704 --> 00:36:02,784 Speaker 4: I know. 805 00:36:03,224 --> 00:36:05,144 Speaker 1: I've got so many little like funny things that I 806 00:36:05,184 --> 00:36:07,744 Speaker 1: took during some of our recordings, and I'm gonna post 807 00:36:07,784 --> 00:36:09,384 Speaker 1: when the EP's come out, and I'm real excited. 808 00:36:09,144 --> 00:36:12,624 Speaker 2: About Oh, I'm excited. So we will be back here 809 00:36:12,664 --> 00:36:14,424 Speaker 2: in your podcast feed on Monday. 810 00:36:14,544 --> 00:36:17,224 Speaker 1: See you there. Bye.