Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Mama Mirror out Loud. I think
Speaker 1: you might find you may have already heard. I don't
Speaker 1: know that we are still the number one podcast in Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even with Hamish Nandy back, Hamish Sandy back.
Speaker 1: But the world is just churning and this is just
Speaker 1: a new place. Yes, just where we hang out these days.
Speaker 1: You might have We've probably bored you with it, but
Speaker 1: Emma hasn't been on the show, so no, I want
Speaker 1: to get very, very excited.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is our thirty episodes versus therefore, but
Speaker 3: who's counting. It's a listeners, not episodes. Got it? Got it?
Speaker 3: Got it? So we're winning. We're winning number one anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm Claire Stevens, and I'm.
Speaker 3: M Vernon Claire Stephens. Is something you need to bring to.
Speaker 2: The group, there is, guys. I'm in my flop Era and.
Speaker 3: I just feel great for being in your flop era.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Em That actually means a lot.
Speaker 2: Someone the other day was like, you don't even look
Speaker 2: that pregnant. I was like, I really needed to hear that.
Speaker 3: How pregnant are we now?
Speaker 2: I'm twenty eight weeks okay, and yeah, twenty eight weeks.
Speaker 3: How many more there is to go?
Speaker 2: At least another ten yeah, yeah, at least another three
Speaker 2: quarters of the way. Yeah, yeah, which which here's a question.
Speaker 3: Three quarters two thirds?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do? You do the maths about trimesters? Yeah,
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense, doesn't mat up.
Speaker 2: I was explaining this to my partner the other day.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, first trimester is twelve weeks, okay, well
Speaker 2: maybe so, then second trimester would end it twenty four weeks.
Speaker 2: So then third trimester would end it thirty six weeks.
Speaker 2: Why is there a month to go? Why this is
Speaker 2: the thing? Pregnancy ain't ain't nine months, it's ten months.
Speaker 3: It's ten not fat.
Speaker 2: But my flop era. I just feel like I need
Speaker 2: to be open with the out louders because if they
Speaker 2: see me out and about, they might notice I'm flopping.
Speaker 1: She's not flopping anyway. We're just going to put the
Speaker 1: she's not flopping aside and let you flop go.
Speaker 2: Okay. Number one, I have a skin cancer on my notes.
Speaker 2: I know that I need to get cut out and
Speaker 2: the surgery to get it cut out, which I thought
Speaker 2: would be chill because I'm like, it's a b CC.
Speaker 2: I'm thirty five. No, they have to cut a huge
Speaker 2: hole in my face and do a skin grass. Oh
Speaker 2: my darling, And I just want to know any out louders.
Speaker 2: We've had stuff like cut out of your face. Any
Speaker 2: suggestions you have Are they're going to do this after
Speaker 2: you have the baby?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But not long after?
Speaker 1: Oh so you're going to be a new mum of
Speaker 1: two with a big hole in your correct Oh that
Speaker 1: does not sound like fun.
Speaker 3: I can I go through your like nostril and pull
Speaker 3: it out from there? Already a hole there.
Speaker 2: You should be a doctor. You should.
Speaker 3: In that briefing room.
Speaker 2: You should have heard my suggestions to the surgeon. He's like,
Speaker 2: you need to just I was like, I get nosebleeds
Speaker 2: sometimes and he's like that's unpleathed.
Speaker 3: Like that's just the doctors like you should probably get
Speaker 3: that checked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's another element of my flop ear that's unrelated.
Speaker 2: My other flop ear element is like my twin sister
Speaker 2: before me, I've been diagnosed with gestational diabetes.
Speaker 1: It's very creepy with it's always the ones who love
Speaker 1: chocolate and.
Speaker 2: If any if you know anything about me, and Jathy,
Speaker 2: it's that we love our chocolate, we love our snacks.
Speaker 1: I can hear out loud and shouting at you because
Speaker 1: they're going, it's not that.
Speaker 3: Don't blame yourself.
Speaker 2: And the doctor told me there's nothing I could have done.
Speaker 2: There you go, but it's really sad.
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel really sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm hungry and I'm confused and I don't understand food
Speaker 2: and now I've turned into hollywayin right because everything has
Speaker 2: to be a protein.
Speaker 1: I've been through this sitting next to your sister. So
Speaker 1: just ask me and I will just say cottage cheese
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 2: I don't like cottage cheese.
Speaker 3: That's a problem. Yeah, yeah, you know what, I will
Speaker 3: give you a tin of tuna from my stash.
Speaker 2: Really, that's.
Speaker 3: Oh, darling.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just flopping all over the place. So
Speaker 2: if I you know, if you hear me say something
Speaker 2: on the podcast we think clear out sentence didn't make sense,
Speaker 2: you would be right, Oh, you would be right out
Speaker 2: louders and just thanks for I don't know, thanks for
Speaker 2: supporting me through my flop era.
Speaker 3: Send her a bit of love.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. And if you're flopping, yeah, we
Speaker 2: all share.
Speaker 1: Welcoming share, we will flop all flop together. Here is
Speaker 1: what has made our agenda for today. Nicole Kidman has
Speaker 1: a new career plan and it's quite serious.
Speaker 3: Plus there's a new dating questionnaire that is answering all
Speaker 3: the questions that I need to know. And I've never
Speaker 3: heard before.
Speaker 2: And no one in Vogue has their nails done anymore.
Speaker 2: And I have a theory about what it means. But
Speaker 2: first class Stevens, there is absolutely no feeling like the
Speaker 2: sheene of ick that seems to have settled into your
Speaker 2: paws and your hair follicles after a full day in
Speaker 2: the office. And I've always thought this, and I've never
Speaker 2: I always thought it was just me. I remember it
Speaker 2: at school as well. By the end of a school day,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, oh, why am I shiny? And I
Speaker 2: agree seel icky, and I'd look at other people and think, no,
Speaker 2: they still look put together.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because you know, on Monday's show
Speaker 1: we talked about working from home. On yesterday's subscriber episode,
Speaker 1: Me and Me I had a bit of it about
Speaker 1: working from home. This could be one of the other
Speaker 1: things we could put in our requests for flexible working yeah,
Speaker 1: we could say, don't you want me to look hot
Speaker 1: at all time? Exactly and feel fresh by the end
Speaker 1: of the day. Why would somebody think of my hair because.
Speaker 2: I feel fresher if I've just been at home. And
Speaker 2: a content creator named Noah Donlin has gone viral on
Speaker 2: Instagram and TikTok for sharing a term for this and
Speaker 2: it perfectly explains it. She calls it office air or
Speaker 2: the office air theory. So she works as a corporate girlie,
Speaker 2: I think that's important. It just she's in an office,
Speaker 2: adult jobs, yep, fluorescent lighting, air conditioning, all of that.
Speaker 3: She's going for the corner office and agreed.
Speaker 2: With the proof exactly. And one of her most viral
Speaker 2: videos has the caption, no, you're not ugly, and no,
Speaker 2: it's not just you. It's office air.
Speaker 3: And if you consider that, this is why you're in
Speaker 3: your flop hair.
Speaker 2: It's the bloody office air. It is an office air
Speaker 2: probably as well is full of viruses. I'd like to
Speaker 2: pull that out. But she has taken photos of herself.
Speaker 2: She'll take a photo or a video of herself. At
Speaker 2: the beginning of the day she turns up for work.
Speaker 2: Her hair is blow dried to frame, her face, it's up.
Speaker 2: Her makeup is perfect, her I makeup is perfect. And
Speaker 2: then she's like twelve pm and everything has melted like
Speaker 2: her like your face eats your makeup by that stage,
Speaker 2: and the hair is all like strandy and it's all oily.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And some of the comments were so good. They were
Speaker 2: like bright red eyes for no reason. You look at yourself.
Speaker 2: You whoa, I have an eye infection? Or I look
Speaker 2: like a sick Victorian child by lunch, very very true.
Speaker 2: Do you guys have office air issues?
Speaker 1: I always feel like I'm coming down with the cold
Speaker 1: at about three o'clock if I'm in the office or there,
Speaker 1: about three o'clock of a suddenly like, oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: definitely getting a cold. And then I leave and it
Speaker 1: wasn't a cold. Or you just have your third coffee
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, so true, that's why I need
Speaker 1: that three people.
Speaker 3: You really go outside and you're like, oh exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like it's so nice.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not getting a cold, but every day I
Speaker 1: think I'm getting a.
Speaker 3: Cold about three. It sounds very similar to the boyfriend
Speaker 3: breath effect. I heard of this. No, so it was
Speaker 3: these girls on TikTok, who were making these videos saying,
Speaker 3: why do I always look like crap after I spent
Speaker 3: the day with my boyfriend? And it's like these girls
Speaker 3: who have been in new relationships with their partners and
Speaker 3: then they video themselves with their boyfriend and it's like
Speaker 3: him like massaging their head and falling asleep on their
Speaker 3: shoulder and breathing on their neck, and then they just
Speaker 3: come away just feeling so gross and.
Speaker 1: Greasely letting other people into your physical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know who doesn't have office air and agreed.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And you know what my theory for
Speaker 2: that would be. She's not in the bloody office telling
Speaker 2: everybody else to be in the office. But she is
Speaker 2: doing a lot of podcasts.
Speaker 3: Writer and artist Miranda July. She did All Four.
Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to our book club episode about
Speaker 1: All Fours.
Speaker 3: It was a massive book, like.
Speaker 1: The year before last, and we did a book Club
Speaker 1: episode about it in December which was just chaotic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great book. She's just amazing. It's a fine book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't like it.
Speaker 3: She's she's definitely out there. Yeah, she is. She is,
Speaker 3: and she has a substack and on her substack. She
Speaker 3: has started a dating service. So what she does is
Speaker 3: she sends out a question air to all her readers,
Speaker 3: and if you're looking to date someone, you answer the questions,
Speaker 3: send it back to her, and she pub as a
Speaker 3: post so people can reach out to that person. Some
Speaker 3: of the questions are kind of similar to what I
Speaker 3: have seen on dating apps, like do you want kids?
Speaker 3: Do you have pets? How old are you? How would
Speaker 3: your best friend describe you? But then I saw some
Speaker 3: questions that completely blew my mind. What do you like
Speaker 3: slash dislike about airports and flying? I love that question.
Speaker 1: That is such a good question, is insightful? Answer that question, friends,
Speaker 1: just so we can get to know you all better.
Speaker 2: What I so? I love airports. I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: already on holidays. I love just walking around and looking
Speaker 2: at things. Things I dislike is always going through security
Speaker 2: because I've never done the right thing with my liquids ever.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 2: What do you like about airport?
Speaker 3: I hate airports so much, so much, I have such
Speaker 3: It's the only place in the whole world I have
Speaker 3: so much like anxiety about getting in trouble. I never
Speaker 3: want to be in trouble. I never want to be late.
Speaker 3: I never want to be the last person on the plane.
Speaker 3: Traveling with you whole has been such a nightmare for me.
Speaker 3: See when Hole's like, do you want to share an
Speaker 3: uber to the airport? No, I do not know, because
Speaker 3: we're catching that uber like twenty minutes before our fly
Speaker 3: takes up. I want to be there an hour before.
Speaker 3: I have to put an extra time for security because
Speaker 3: I'm brown, and they're always like if we need a double.
Speaker 2: Check back, that's so cool.
Speaker 3: I don't like the food that always makes me constipated.
Speaker 3: There's so many things that's so funny. I really am
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 1: I really like airports, although when you travel a lot
Speaker 1: for work. Last year I traveled a lot for work,
Speaker 1: some of the shine comes off it. But I really
Speaker 1: like holiday airports, like when you're going away and then
Speaker 1: I don't mind getting there early because I want to
Speaker 1: eat all the things. I want to buy unnecessary items.
Speaker 1: I want to just walk around.
Speaker 3: Being like I'm out of here, like I believe in
Speaker 3: can't wait anyway. Sorry, we digress, We digress. So these
Speaker 3: are the kind of questions that she has very insightful.
Speaker 3: She also has some questions that make the person send
Speaker 3: in photos. So she's said, let's see a picture of
Speaker 3: you that you think is maximum flattering, and let's see
Speaker 3: a nice picture of you that looks more like the
Speaker 3: way you usually look. I think that is genius.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not on the apps, and it's a bit
Speaker 1: of internet dating right back at the beginning of internet
Speaker 1: dating world. But do the traditional dating apps do many
Speaker 1: of them have these kind of like tricksy interesting things
Speaker 1: or is it all pretty straightforward, like tell me your
Speaker 1: favorite color.
Speaker 3: I don't know so much about you, because I think, for.
Speaker 1: Example, that that trick about the photos is excellent because
Speaker 1: we all want to post the really flattering picture of ourselves,
Speaker 1: but we also don't want to turn up. I've got
Speaker 1: feedback from people in my world that like, you don't
Speaker 1: want to turn up at a date and the first
Speaker 1: thing you see on their face be like a flicker of.
Speaker 2: You don't want to you don't want to catfish, but
Speaker 2: you want to be able to show them that you
Speaker 2: have the potential to look for the really hot given
Speaker 2: the right conditions.
Speaker 1: I can healer would say, as I'm starting here with
Speaker 1: the messy barn, and they're like, but that I can
Speaker 1: get to here, but I'll be back down here again.
Speaker 3: I want you to be upset about that. I think
Speaker 3: that's genius. Dating apps do have a lot of questions
Speaker 3: like that, where you now can upload photos and videos
Speaker 3: and voice notes, which are very important because I find
Speaker 3: voices very attracted.
Speaker 2: They say in their voice, is everyone just trying.
Speaker 1: To I'm also so sorry that I sound like that
Speaker 1: auntie who's like, tell me about what it's like.
Speaker 3: The most men just use it to show off their
Speaker 3: Robert de Niro impression, and they're always so bad. It's
Speaker 3: so funny. That just reminds me of Barbie and them
Speaker 3: all singing that song. Literally, do you want to push you?
Speaker 3: The issues with dating apps questions is that there's hundreds
Speaker 3: and hundreds of questions to choose from, so unlike this
Speaker 3: questionnaire where you have to answer all of her questions,
Speaker 3: these ones you just pick a choose the ones you like,
Speaker 3: so you always end up with the profile that is
Speaker 3: best fitted, that you think is the best version of yourself.
Speaker 3: The one that men always choose that I hate and
Speaker 3: no woman ever wants to answer is the two truths
Speaker 3: and a lie, Oh, because I just want to tell
Speaker 3: you stories about their crazy lifestyle. So the two truths,
Speaker 3: and a lie will be like I fought a gorilla,
Speaker 3: I fought an alligator, I fought a shark, And then
Speaker 3: the lie would be like, oh, I nearly thought a shark,
Speaker 3: but I didn't actually, Oh.
Speaker 1: Mad annoying me to Miranda's You Lie World exactly. She
Speaker 1: also asked them to show a picture of their bed.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, beds are really important. I have actually a
Speaker 3: list of questions that I would ask the guys that
Speaker 3: I at least I would say, okay, number one, do
Speaker 3: you have navy sheets?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Is navy sheets a bad bad? Maybe sheets are always
Speaker 3: bad because navy sheets are the sheets that they just
Speaker 3: took from their childhood bedroom. Because as they're growing up
Speaker 3: and become teenagers, their moms are like, okay, you're becoming
Speaker 3: a big boy. Now let's remove the cars. Here's some
Speaker 3: navy sheets, so everyone knows you're still a boy, but
Speaker 3: you're also becoming a man. And then that guy's like,
Speaker 3: hell yeah, mom, sheets were life.
Speaker 2: And then taking the navy she wear a flat pillow.
Speaker 3: This is why a picture of the bed is really taste,
Speaker 3: because you can't like, you want to see linen, you
Speaker 3: want to see some white, some textures I want to
Speaker 3: say to the guy, no pillows, just pillowcases, just pillowcases.
Speaker 1: Just you know, when I met Brent, he did have
Speaker 1: a futon, like it's basically a mattress on the floor,
Speaker 1: and I remember walking into his bedroom and being like,
Speaker 1: I could choose for this to me.
Speaker 3: Not grown up yet, even though you are nearly.
Speaker 1: Forty, or I could choose it to mean traveler, easy going,
Speaker 1: hasn't invested in settling down. Like yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: that all these photos they're not necessarily negative positive.
Speaker 3: They just tell you something important about them, don't they.
Speaker 1: I think she also says, show me the inside of
Speaker 1: your fridge.
Speaker 2: I would hate to show people.
Speaker 3: What would I learn about you?
Speaker 1: Actually, Lukey used to do that to you, and you
Speaker 1: and Jesse used to share a house, and when Luca
Speaker 1: first started dating Jesse, he had a brief social media
Speaker 1: content series of showing people the inside of your.
Speaker 2: Fridge, like empty.
Speaker 3: And then there'd be.
Speaker 1: A wilted, one green, wilted thing in the crisper drawers.
Speaker 2: And that is just you know, when you just at
Speaker 2: that phase. As asforementioned flop Era, every time I open
Speaker 2: my fridge, I'm like, something smells.
Speaker 3: My fridge is always smelling and I don't know what
Speaker 3: it is. Something's gone somewhere. Are only truly clean when
Speaker 3: they're new.
Speaker 1: If has that fresh place you imagined you didn't care
Speaker 1: care about the world, you'd just be like every month,
Speaker 1: you'd be like.
Speaker 2: Screw it, this's but that would be interesting. Actually, I'd
Speaker 2: like to take a photo of my fridge, send it
Speaker 2: to someone and be like, can you tell me what's
Speaker 2: mol something?
Speaker 1: You find it app You're like, can you sort out
Speaker 1: my fridge problem for me? I think we could add
Speaker 1: a photo. And I know this might be more female skewing,
Speaker 1: but let's remember we just want to get to know
Speaker 1: people and who knows what you're into. But a photo
Speaker 1: of your hair brush is very telling. Oh I'm dating
Speaker 1: a guy who's bored.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that would.
Speaker 1: Be a silly question for him, but like I would be.
Speaker 1: My hair brush is often just full of my managed
Speaker 1: hair is gross, and when I've cleaned it and pulled
Speaker 1: that out stuff, I feel like that woman we talked
Speaker 1: about last week who has.
Speaker 3: That shit together. If my hair brush is clean, I'm
Speaker 3: feeling good. I feel like for a whole for you,
Speaker 3: I would ask show me the lap of the person
Speaker 3: sitting next to you on the train. It's just full
Speaker 3: of your hair. Oh my god, I thought about you, Sidebar.
Speaker 1: Sidebar doesn't approve of the fact that when I come
Speaker 1: up on the train, I put my makeup on on
Speaker 1: the train, which I always do. But she said, you
Speaker 1: do draw the line at hair brushing, don't you, And
Speaker 1: I was like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so long, you're like elbowing people out of But
Speaker 4: on Monday morning this week, I was on the early
Speaker 4: train and I was doing my makeup that I was
Speaker 4: just pulled my hairbrush.
Speaker 3: Out of my back and then I'm like no, I
Speaker 3: would say, no, I can wait till I get to
Speaker 3: the office. So I'm growing personating.
Speaker 2: I came up with a few questions because I agree
Speaker 2: am I think that there are some really personalized things
Speaker 2: that you can ask someone to get a sense of
Speaker 2: are we compatible And it's very much they like they've
Speaker 2: got to be tailored to what you value. So what
Speaker 2: I find hard about meeting new people is I can't
Speaker 2: ask you if you're funny.
Speaker 3: Like or because everyone would say yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's and you need to kind of test
Speaker 2: the waters. So I think, what do you find funny?
Speaker 2: Because it's a compilation of people falling over Then don't worry,
Speaker 2: don't You're so right, We're done. The other one is
Speaker 2: who is your favorite family member? Who is your least
Speaker 2: favorite and why? Because I want to hear the weirdness
Speaker 2: of your family. I need to know how you see
Speaker 2: other people that even your least favorite family member, that
Speaker 2: you see some humor in that and your favorite family member,
Speaker 2: like why are they? Are they the rogus person in
Speaker 2: your family? I need some details. Also, what's your take
Speaker 2: on the Beckham family fuse?
Speaker 3: Like, take me a long time to unpack that?
Speaker 2: Where do you sit? Explain who you were in kindergarten? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I actually thought that one of the good photos to
Speaker 1: send would be the official an official school primary photos,
Speaker 1: because you can you can learn a lot about somebody
Speaker 1: just by looking at that, and.
Speaker 3: You can judge what your future kids might look like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's actually I think that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I reckon, send me a picture of you in the
Speaker 1: from primary school.
Speaker 2: And I have always thought that the older you get,
Speaker 2: the older you get, I reckon, you get closer to
Speaker 2: who you were in kindergarten. Maybe, so if you're like,
Speaker 2: describe who you were in kindergarten. I want the person
Speaker 2: to be self deprecating. This is an opportunity for fun.
Speaker 2: This is not like you can be funny here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And it also kind of shows probably who
Speaker 2: they're going to become. Finally, a photo of a pair
Speaker 2: of shoes you like and a photo of a pair
Speaker 2: of shoes you hate, because I need to know that
Speaker 2: you know what ugly shoes are.
Speaker 1: That oh my god, Bred and I would never have
Speaker 1: got together. Doesn't own any other kind?
Speaker 2: Oh when you when you I remember turning up to
Speaker 2: dates or somebody be like, oh I'm seeing this. I
Speaker 2: come meet him and you just take one look at
Speaker 2: their shoes and go, come on, now, you.
Speaker 3: Are a deal break. I have one.
Speaker 1: I have one more thing I want to ask from
Speaker 1: around in julyes. So she says, send this message to
Speaker 1: your best friend now, and the best friend is and
Speaker 1: it's basically like described me. But she also says, now
Speaker 1: send it to your ex, your most recent X, and
Speaker 1: what do they say about you?
Speaker 2: I think the most telling part of that is do
Speaker 2: you have an ex who will reply exactly?
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that's what that question
Speaker 1: is getting too, that they don't really want people who
Speaker 1: have really toxic relationships with their exes, because I've got
Speaker 1: lots of my divorce friends who go on dates. Say,
Speaker 1: the biggest red flag is you sit down with a
Speaker 1: guy and he starts bitching about his ex wife. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like obediently, the custody, the split, the blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: It's just like nah. But I want to know.
Speaker 1: If I texted your most recent X and I said
Speaker 1: three words for family vernon, obviously they'd say hot, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we would go we're not even counting,
Speaker 1: not even hating that.
Speaker 3: What else? I'm pretty sure he'd be like, who was
Speaker 3: that again? Or that one who talked about me on
Speaker 3: the podcast one with that little blog, that little mum
Speaker 3: and me a blog.
Speaker 1: It was so interesting. I reckon last night's dinner. I
Speaker 1: want to know that, Yep, what did you eat last night?
Speaker 3: Mine would be tuna and crackers. Well always, I think
Speaker 3: I'd failed this question. I'm not getting a date from
Speaker 3: this question.
Speaker 1: Last photo I want to see is your shower shelf.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to be said about that,
Speaker 1: like pose empty and just like still there is there
Speaker 1: a rusty razor there?
Speaker 3: Like what what's the situation photo of your bathroom.
Speaker 1: Do we have a little just sliver half moon sliver
Speaker 1: of finish soap there, or do.
Speaker 3: We have like a fresh sporty wash.
Speaker 2: If my husband had had to take a photo of
Speaker 2: his bathroom at any point, the floor would just be wet,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Just always wet. The
Speaker 2: other the final thing that I do think would be
Speaker 2: very insightful and am I'd love your thoughts on this,
Speaker 2: asking what's your enneagram and do you agree? Why or
Speaker 2: why not? Because I think, for example, like you saying
Speaker 2: what your enniogram is, that's very interesting for somebody to know.
Speaker 2: But then also you saying, but I'm not murderous, Yeah
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not ojasent, I'm not jealous.
Speaker 2: That would be really helpful.
Speaker 1: After the break, Nicole Kidman says she's considering a career
Speaker 1: pivot and it's quite a serious one. So Kidman, as
Speaker 1: I like to call Nicole Kidman my friend Kidman. She
Speaker 1: is on the promo circuit for Margo has money troubles.
Speaker 1: She is always on the promo circuit for something because
Speaker 1: the woman works hard. EMM agreed would approve. But she's
Speaker 1: not just talking about the usual like, oh, I loved
Speaker 1: working with my co stars and stuff. She's actually talking
Speaker 1: about some real things in a lot of the events
Speaker 1: for this and one of them that she's brought up
Speaker 1: quite often is about the death of her mom. So
Speaker 1: she lost her mom, Janelle and Kidman in September twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. She'd already lost her father ten years before that,
Speaker 1: and she's been talking about how that experience has shifted
Speaker 1: everything for her, which is obviously incredibly relatable, and that
Speaker 1: it has encouraged her to add something to her career.
Speaker 1: She says, it may sound a little weird, but I'm
Speaker 1: learning to be a death duoler. So that's part of
Speaker 1: my expansion and one of the things I'll be learning.
Speaker 1: As my mother was passing, she was lonely and there
Speaker 1: was only so much the family could provide. Between my
Speaker 1: sister and I we have so many children and our
Speaker 1: careers and our work, and wanting to take care of
Speaker 1: her because my father wasn't in the world anymore. And
Speaker 1: that's when I went, I wish there were these people
Speaker 1: in the world that were there to sit impartially and
Speaker 1: just provide solace and care. I think this is one
Speaker 1: of the most relatable things. Most certainly the most relatable
Speaker 1: midlife thing Nicole Kidman has ever said, because Kidney gets
Speaker 1: a lot of sort of crap thrown her away really
Speaker 1: for looking the way she does, you know, doing anti
Speaker 1: aging procedures whatever, like are you even aging?
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that's so beautiful and vulnerable
Speaker 1: about what she's sharing there is she's admitting that her
Speaker 1: and her sister couldn't just drop everything and be there
Speaker 1: for her mum in her last months, which is very relatable.
Speaker 1: And also it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how hard
Speaker 1: any of us fight aging on the outside, but time
Speaker 1: is moving and these things are going to happen, and
Speaker 1: if there's one thing incredibly certain about aging, it she
Speaker 1: will experience more loss. So I just think it's amazing
Speaker 1: she's talking about this. But she went on to talk
Speaker 1: about what she thinks what death duelers do and why
Speaker 1: she thinks she'd be a good one. Do you guys
Speaker 1: know what a death doler does?
Speaker 2: There was a death dueler in a recent episode of
Speaker 2: The Pit, and that storyline got a lot of people talking.
Speaker 2: There was a mother who had had cancer for seven
Speaker 2: years and had little kids, and a woman turns up
Speaker 2: who happens to be one of the er night shift staff,
Speaker 2: and she turns up and she is this woman's death
Speaker 2: Dueller and I thought it was a really powerful representation
Speaker 2: of what they do, because it's the idea of having
Speaker 2: someone who's a non medical companion who's providing support but
Speaker 2: can also provide a whole lot of information and help
Speaker 2: with admin like they're the people who might know all
Speaker 2: about planning a funeral or what kind of wishes you
Speaker 2: should know in order to feel like you've kind of
Speaker 2: carried that person's legacy on in the pit. What was
Speaker 2: really insightful was that the woman who was dying had
Speaker 2: different wishes to her husband and her family, and a
Speaker 2: death dueler kind of navigates both is advocating for somebody
Speaker 2: who might be terminally ill and also trying to negotiate
Speaker 2: that with the family members, and it is you just
Speaker 2: look at it and think we are being confronted. I
Speaker 2: think with more decision about more decisions about end of
Speaker 2: life care, the longer we the longer humans live for
Speaker 2: and having somebody who can help with services and navigating
Speaker 2: the medical system and social and psychological and spiritual support.
Speaker 2: I just cannot even imagine how valuable that would be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I first learned about death duelers from that Australian
Speaker 3: TV show Bump Yes. One of the characters was diagnosed
Speaker 3: with terminal illness and she had this debt dulla, and
Speaker 3: it felt like it was just a third part, like
Speaker 3: kind of like a therapist, where it's someone who cares
Speaker 3: for you, but they're like so separated from your life.
Speaker 3: And I think if you have a terminal diagnosis that
Speaker 3: and you want someone to talk to that's not a
Speaker 3: family member who isn't so involved in your life. That
Speaker 3: storyline just played out so beautifully to me because she
Speaker 3: seemed like she was just an ongoing therapist. I was
Speaker 3: just there to listen and provide advice for I think
Speaker 3: what would be nice to do, but I don't think
Speaker 3: we can. Is how our debt deal is meant to
Speaker 3: work with people who don't have a terminal diagnosis when
Speaker 3: it's a bit too late, where you like, for example,
Speaker 3: my grandfather, he was so so old, but then when
Speaker 3: he got to the hospital, he just felt like he
Speaker 3: was there for so long, and I feel like that
Speaker 3: was too short for space to bring someone else in
Speaker 3: to like help him with that and deal with that,
Speaker 3: and all the examples of dead dealers I've seen have
Speaker 3: been with that person for quite some time. And if
Speaker 3: I was at an age like that, like in my
Speaker 3: eighties orline, I don't think i'd like want a dead
Speaker 3: doler because I think that's confirming something I don't want
Speaker 3: to be confirmed as yet.
Speaker 2: I've read that apparently all the kind of training and
Speaker 2: conversations that are going into the kind of death dueller community,
Speaker 2: the idea of having research on what actually supports people
Speaker 2: and where the gaps are, that they are providing training
Speaker 2: in hospitals, and that it's kind of more of a
Speaker 2: symbiotic relationship, which I think is also the case with
Speaker 2: birth doulers, that they can work really well.
Speaker 1: A lot of differtionals ways like paraly Live Care Australia
Speaker 1: will give like there's lots of practical advice for when
Speaker 1: you get to that point.
Speaker 3: But death.
Speaker 1: I interviewed this amazing woman who wasn't a death dueler.
Speaker 1: She called herself a death walker, Jackie Bailey on mid
Speaker 1: in the very first season of that and it's one
Speaker 1: of the most popular episodes we did, which is strange
Speaker 1: in a way, but she was well. She was one
Speaker 1: of the people who talked to me about what Nicole
Speaker 1: Kidman was talking about there, right. I think it was
Speaker 1: so honest of Kidman to say we knew our mum's
Speaker 1: end of life was coming. Because death can of course
Speaker 1: be horribly sudden and come from nowhere and be shocking
Speaker 1: for a lot of people that kind of lost. But
Speaker 1: it can also, to be honest, take quite a long
Speaker 1: time when you know that a loved one is going
Speaker 1: to pass, but you don't know when, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot to be done during that. And Jackie Bailey made
Speaker 1: the point in that interview that I thought was so
Speaker 1: great that you think that everything will stop, because that's
Speaker 1: the only thing that matters is that you're losing somebody
Speaker 1: very important to you, and so everything will stop. But
Speaker 1: the reality of it is that isn't how life works.
Speaker 1: And she said that's true emotionally as well as practically.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you've got a difficult relationship with somebody,
Speaker 1: with your family member, your parent or whatever, you probably
Speaker 1: will continue to do that. And so often a dueler
Speaker 1: or a death walker or a person who's that that
Speaker 1: intermediate can help with that, but also in the practical sense,
Speaker 1: if you live a million miles away, if you've got
Speaker 1: a really busy job, if you've got other caring responsibilities,
Speaker 1: those things don't stop. And I think we don't like
Speaker 1: to ever admit that because we are I think culturally
Speaker 1: we're obviously very We don't like to talk about death
Speaker 1: at all. We don't want to admit that it has
Speaker 1: to fold into everyday life, which in a way it
Speaker 1: kind of does. But what was really interesting that Kidman
Speaker 1: went on to say, because obviously she said this once
Speaker 1: in an interview and everybody said, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And so then she was at another event she was
Speaker 1: asked about it again and she said, I find it
Speaker 1: really fascinating. It's really beautiful, and you have to be
Speaker 1: a certain personality to be able to do it. But
Speaker 1: I found I'm actually that personality. It's very important to me.
Speaker 1: There is always suffering, but there are people there who
Speaker 1: can help with that, help those final stages be less painful.
Speaker 1: If you feel the connection in your heart, that's lovely.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm exploring. And I remembered with my
Speaker 1: conversation with doctor Bailey that I was thinking, well, I
Speaker 1: wonder what those what that personality would be, because again
Speaker 1: most of us we're just like, oh, death scary. We
Speaker 1: rail against it, and you particularly rail against it with
Speaker 1: someone when it's somebody you love, like you don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about it, face it. And some of the
Speaker 1: things were about compassionate detachment, So you have to if
Speaker 1: you're brought into that situation, you have to care a
Speaker 1: great deal and be empathetic, but you can't add weight
Speaker 1: to the family that you're also grieving or going through
Speaker 1: drama about it. So you've got to be able to
Speaker 1: be very compassionate but detached. And not everybody can do that.
Speaker 1: If you're one of those people that goes around saying
Speaker 1: you're an EmPATH all the time, you probably can't do that.
Speaker 1: You have to have a high threshold for being uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: because as I said, most people want to turn away
Speaker 1: from it. But the idea of somebody who might be comfortable,
Speaker 1: and this might be the kind of person who doesn't
Speaker 1: rush to fill a silence, who can deal with conflict.
Speaker 1: The impartial soul is so basically objectivity is that you
Speaker 1: need that person who isn't enmeshed in the family to
Speaker 1: that point of before is that if there's differing needs
Speaker 1: or wants in the family, somebody who can stand a
Speaker 1: little bit outside that and be like, Okay, but what
Speaker 1: this person wants is X, or what might be work
Speaker 1: better is why? And also having a pretty good intuition
Speaker 1: because you need to read the room, know when to
Speaker 1: hold a hand, when to get out of there, when
Speaker 1: to all of those things. And I thought that's really
Speaker 1: interesting because certainly, when I sat with Dr Bailey, her
Speaker 1: whole energy was very much about not being afraid of
Speaker 1: that moment.
Speaker 3: And I know in my life when I've.
Speaker 1: Been in situations with a family member who's passing there,
Speaker 1: everybody reacts differently in terms of the people who are
Speaker 1: desperately holding on and the people who can somehow let go.
Speaker 3: I don't know I found it really. I know people are.
Speaker 1: Like, it's made a lot of headlines about kidman, so
Speaker 1: has silly like what's she going to do? Like stop
Speaker 1: making movies and just start turning up at hospitals, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what she meant. But you know
Speaker 1: how sometimes someone says a thing that you're like that
Speaker 1: that's really true.
Speaker 3: That part about because.
Speaker 1: These are people her and her family, people with money,
Speaker 1: people with resources, people who can outsource stuff, people who
Speaker 1: can hire death dollers, all those things. But she obviously
Speaker 1: still carries some guilt about not being around enough for
Speaker 1: a mum at the end, which tells you everything really,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. The other reason why I think it's great
Speaker 1: that Nicole Kidman is talking about this is because I
Speaker 1: said before how it's the most relatable midlife things she's done.
Speaker 1: It's like she's got she's clearly she's just gone through
Speaker 1: a divorce, she's lost both her parents. This is one
Speaker 1: of those moments when everything kind of comes crashing around you,
Speaker 1: no matter how famous you are. But I know there'll
Speaker 1: be a lot of out louders listening to this who
Speaker 1: in stages of grief over people they've lost. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how old they were. In many ways, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how ready for it you were. It can
Speaker 1: be completely sideswiping, and I just you know, I think
Speaker 1: obviously for us with our hearts, go out to any
Speaker 1: out louders who that is your experience, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you all have some experiences of what this is like,
Speaker 1: what would be helpful and what wouldn't.
Speaker 2: And just on that, like talking wholly about kind of
Speaker 2: what ADULA does. I also thought it was interesting the
Speaker 2: thing that they don't do so that they don't obviously
Speaker 2: diagnose or recommend starting or stopping medications or treatments that
Speaker 2: are in administer medication or give advice that I think
Speaker 2: in terms of the personality that you need to have
Speaker 2: in order to be a DULA, some people would find
Speaker 2: that really really difficult because you want to control a situation,
Speaker 2: or you think that you know best, or that you've
Speaker 2: seen it done a certain way before and that was,
Speaker 2: you know, a healing experience, so you think it should
Speaker 2: be done that way again. It would be very difficult
Speaker 2: to kind of hold all your experiences and yet still
Speaker 2: accept that none of this is your call. You're just
Speaker 2: there to kind of be a sound bored and to
Speaker 2: provide a whole lot of information. And death is just nobody, like,
Speaker 2: we're so sanitized from it and nobody knows that there
Speaker 2: is no right or wrong way to navigate it. And
Speaker 2: so having having that kind of support would be would
Speaker 2: be incredible. The thing I do think with Nicole Kidman
Speaker 2: is I think it might be distracting having Nicole Kidman.
Speaker 3: Be the death do all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if actually practical dying, and Nicole Kidman turned up,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'm in heabit.
Speaker 3: It wasn't be like but wait, I have questions.
Speaker 2: It's like my dying wish. May you tell me the
Speaker 2: GOSSI about Tom Cruise. I recently picked off my gel
Speaker 2: mail and I haven't replaced them, and.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought this up because I was
Speaker 3: looking at.
Speaker 2: And I actually had like a few things to film
Speaker 2: over the last few days, and just all weekend I
Speaker 2: walked around in circles being like, you need to get
Speaker 2: your nails done, and I didn't get them done.
Speaker 1: I can never pick them off if I get shellac,
Speaker 1: you know, which I sometimes do. This isn't like this
Speaker 1: is just ordinary old nail polish. But I you know,
Speaker 1: people always say I pick it off. I can't pick
Speaker 1: it off. I don't know how to, Like, I just
Speaker 1: can't do that. Maybe I'm getting too good shillak yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it just starts growing out and drives me crazy.
Speaker 2: Mine starts like, oh, mine's stay on for ages, so
Speaker 2: I can kind of pick it off from the bottom
Speaker 2: where it's like grown out. But I get my nails
Speaker 2: done because I bite them so much. And then having
Speaker 2: nails is like the impetus to not bite, Like if
Speaker 2: I've got nail polish, I'll be like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: come on. We paid good money. But apparently I'm right
Speaker 2: on trend as always. Because to a substack called the
Speaker 2: b List by Bella Gerrard, no one in Vogue gets
Speaker 2: the nails done anymore. She writes that as she was
Speaker 2: flipping through Chloe Mirles's first official Vogue issue for spring.
Speaker 3: She's the new, like the new Anna wind Tour.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Anna wind Tour's nemesis. But she noticed something surprising,
Speaker 2: which was while the cover star has chrome tips, there
Speaker 2: were short nails with no more than a clear coat
Speaker 2: in all the Chanelle ads, the Gucci ones, the Door,
Speaker 2: the Fendi, the Botega one, all the aspirational brand.
Speaker 3: Yeah but they were the cover stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why but short buffed fingernails were also clutching. Do
Speaker 2: you say meumu? Mumum goes to show why why I
Speaker 2: don't have fancy nails, mew mew bags and uh and
Speaker 2: with in a Bolgari is it pod? And with it
Speaker 2: ad for their rings? So she said it talk until
Speaker 2: page forty nine to find a gold chip looking through
Speaker 2: I'm like golda No, she found adulte and gabana model
Speaker 2: with a slightly elongated, pale pink manny and and then
Speaker 2: she found a burberyad with some bold silver nail up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like that, she like. She definitely had a spreadsheet
Speaker 2: and marked down all these details. But one of the
Speaker 2: theories positive in the comment section was bear nails a
Speaker 2: recession indicator.
Speaker 1: Oh well, it costs good money to get you.
Speaker 2: It is so expensed.
Speaker 1: Everyone I know is like, I know someone who can
Speaker 1: do it, blah blah.
Speaker 3: Black market business. But he'll do it around at her house,
Speaker 3: just have to wear a gas mask.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, maybe, But I also think we have
Speaker 1: lived with the long talon, the Kardashian talon for a
Speaker 1: very long time, and the mental load of every time
Speaker 1: I look at those nails and thinking how does that
Speaker 1: person put a tampon in? I'm quite happy to say
Speaker 1: goodbye to that mental load.
Speaker 2: Oh me too. It can't be hygienic. I think about
Speaker 2: that all the time, the things that would get stark.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not nice essentially, And then you look
Speaker 2: at someone who has young children, You're like, you're changing
Speaker 2: nappy and.
Speaker 1: With the now they've all got poo inside. You love
Speaker 1: getting your nails done? You going to the nude Vogue
Speaker 1: nail No, look, this is my one joy getting my nose.
Speaker 1: I have really nice, dainty hair.
Speaker 3: You really do. We don't talk about this enough. M
Speaker 3: Vernum's hands. If you're watching on Apple Blender, long fingers
Speaker 3: and I can't be let down by the nails. You've
Speaker 3: always got good nice Jewelry was a piano player growing up.
Speaker 3: She was not allowed to have long nails. Was not
Speaker 3: allowed to have my nails done. All my friends in
Speaker 3: high school and black nail polish was a thing. Remember
Speaker 3: when we had the cracked nail polish.
Speaker 2: Oh that was Yeah. I didn't do any of.
Speaker 3: That because I was a piano player. And then the
Speaker 3: minute I finished high school, I was like, screw this
Speaker 3: piano life. I'm getting long nails. And I've had long
Speaker 3: nails since.
Speaker 2: Are they your real nails?
Speaker 3: Are my real nails?
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That's like my daughter because she plays fl and so
Speaker 1: in the season.
Speaker 3: She cannot have long nails, but she.
Speaker 1: Like every teammate anti woman well, because they could be
Speaker 1: weapons on the film. You could take someone's eye out
Speaker 1: with that. But when I take her to get her
Speaker 1: nails done sometimes, because you know, I am that mum
Speaker 1: on the holidays. I'm always amazed at like coffin shape,
Speaker 1: talon shapes, stiletto shape, square tip, brown tip, like too many.
Speaker 2: Choices after the break, our recommendations to get you through
Speaker 2: what might be a long weekend for you. And if
Speaker 2: it's not, sorry, I say, chuck a sticky on Monday.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Oh my gosh, I've agreed. It's coming here.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun. This is my
Speaker 3: best recommendation.
Speaker 2: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your
Speaker 2: weekend with our best recommendations. Holly, you have a book.
Speaker 3: I have a book. I have a book on a
Speaker 3: roll with my books. But this is a book that
Speaker 3: you a.
Speaker 1: Lot about louders will have already read because it's big.
Speaker 1: If you haven't do yourself a favor. But also I
Speaker 1: rarely have this, but I'm reading this book being.
Speaker 3: Like, why didn't I write this book.
Speaker 1: Rebecca Armitage is a Tasmanian journalist. She is really good
Speaker 1: and she has written a book called Their Apparent. Now
Speaker 1: a lot of the out louders will have heard of
Speaker 1: this book because it has been a success. It's her
Speaker 1: first novel was picked for Reese's Book, Oh, which is
Speaker 1: no small thing for any author from anywhere, but her
Speaker 1: debut from Australia is like huge, well done. But the
Speaker 1: reason I say, oh, I should have written this book
Speaker 1: is because well, I couldn't have written this book because
Speaker 1: Rebecca Armitag did, and she did it so well. It's
Speaker 1: such a patient but it's basically she's taken all the
Speaker 1: royal gossip, all the royal intrigue and insights and etiquette
Speaker 1: because she's reported on the royal family for a long
Speaker 1: time that lives rent free in my head and has
Speaker 1: done for decades now, and turned it into a fictionalized
Speaker 1: really great story. So the plot of the Heir Apparent
Speaker 1: is that the so the Prince imagine Prince Harry, but
Speaker 1: Prince Harry's a woman and she's called Lexi and she
Speaker 1: after the death of her mother, her parents like very
Speaker 1: Prince Harry and William. Her dad is the heir to
Speaker 1: the throne. They get divorced in an acrimonious way. He's
Speaker 1: been seeing someone else. Her mother dies in an accident,
Speaker 1: so she's like orphaned Prince Harry. And when she finishes
Speaker 1: Uni and it's like, what are you going to do next,
Speaker 1: she goes, I'm going to run away from all this.
Speaker 1: I hate all this and she runs off to Tasmania
Speaker 1: and she becomes a doctor. Oh, Lexi is a doctor
Speaker 1: in Tasmania and she's living on a vineyard and it's
Speaker 1: lovely and she's like a shwed royal life and she's
Speaker 1: like getting around in normal clothes and or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then and this is not spoilers, this is the setup
Speaker 1: for the book. And then her father, the heir to
Speaker 1: the throne, and her brother, the next inland to the throne,
Speaker 1: are killed in a skiing accident, and Lexi is now
Speaker 1: the last one stone.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, It's like Princess Diaries meets the Kennedy family.
Speaker 2: Harry meets the Kennedy family, meets Harry, and.
Speaker 1: So she goes back to Britain and then the plot unfolds, right,
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, so it's this great
Speaker 1: page ternary row. It's got romance, it's got intrigues, callis
Speaker 1: and goodies. It's not overtly sexy. It's not I mean
Speaker 1: there but there are you know, she has sex, but
Speaker 1: it's not like sexy. But the thing that's great about
Speaker 1: it is it's a great story, but also it is
Speaker 1: you can see rebecca armitage knowledge of this family and
Speaker 1: all the thinly veiled there's like a Prince Andrew kind
Speaker 1: of character. There's like a Beatrice and Eugene kind of characters.
Speaker 1: There's the quick like. It's just so juicy and great
Speaker 1: but also not you know, the best fiction, and what
Speaker 1: we write, what I write is generally termed commercial fiction,
Speaker 1: walks this line between it's juicy, but it's not trashy,
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And this walks not that there's anything wrong with trashy,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, right, It walks this
Speaker 1: perfect line of that. It's just like a total page
Speaker 1: turner with loads of juicy gossip in it, but it's
Speaker 1: also a beautifully written, crafted book.
Speaker 3: I am loving it, and this far from the end.
Speaker 1: We're not actually supposed to recommend books till we've absolutely
Speaker 1: finished on but I'm finished.
Speaker 3: I couldn't help it. So the air apparent Rebecca outage.
Speaker 3: If you haven't already read it, read.
Speaker 2: It, am you're next.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm recommending a TV show that has been out
Speaker 3: for a while, but season four, episode one has just
Speaker 3: come out. It's a show called From which is on stand.
Speaker 3: It is so good because I've seen it everywhere as well.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know what, I'm gonna give this show
Speaker 3: a go. It is a horror mystery show, like super
Speaker 3: super horror. So no, little kids don't watch it with them.
Speaker 3: I get nightmares. But it's basically a show about this community,
Speaker 3: this mysterious community in somewhere in the United States, when
Speaker 3: none of them can escape. So if you're on like
Speaker 3: a if you're traveling with your family on this road,
Speaker 3: they'll suddenly be a big tree trunk in the middle
Speaker 3: of the road and your car has to turn veer
Speaker 3: off the path, and then you land up in this
Speaker 3: place and you don't know where you are. Your cell
Speaker 3: service isn't working, and you just keep going around and
Speaker 3: around this town and you can't escape, and all the
Speaker 3: town people are like, there's another one. Let's make a
Speaker 3: home for the other ones. And then this sinister shit happens.
Speaker 3: Sinister stuff happens. They all have a curfew, they all
Speaker 3: have to be home because then these creatures from the
Speaker 3: forest come out and stalk them, and they have to
Speaker 3: be protected in their homes. It is so scary. But
Speaker 3: one of those shows that's kind of similar to I
Speaker 3: guess The Walking Dead in the sense that it's created
Speaker 3: such a cult following, Like now I'm in all the
Speaker 3: Reddit threads about it and I'm looking up all the
Speaker 3: actors from it. It's just one of those really interesting
Speaker 3: concepts that haven't been done yet. But it's also the
Speaker 3: type of creative show where you're constantly thinking about it
Speaker 3: because you're like, I never ever want to be in
Speaker 3: that situation. Well, hopefully you won't. We about it Google mapp.
Speaker 1: Is it more or less scary than Stranger Things?
Speaker 3: I would say it's more scary than Stranger Things. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a good barometer, yeah, bometer, But it is really
Speaker 3: really scary. But it's more like creepy scary, like mystery.
Speaker 3: And then you're kind of following this community trying to
Speaker 3: escape the town and they have to like have self
Speaker 3: appointed doctors and self appointed sheriffs to make it work
Speaker 3: all well together. It's really interesting, more or less scary
Speaker 3: than the Last of Us. Oh more scary, oh pretty scary, scary.
Speaker 2: Guys, I watched Anything Scary for a while. I think
Speaker 2: I need something scary. My reco also a book. It's
Speaker 2: called Broken Country by Claire Leslie Hall. So this is
Speaker 2: one of those books that I actually have for my reading.
Speaker 2: I have a spreadsheet where I have all the books
Speaker 2: that I've read, and then I also have a list
Speaker 2: of all the books that are on my to be read.
Speaker 3: Can I introduce you to good Reads?
Speaker 2: Good Reads is a dark place if you're an author.
Speaker 2: If you're an author, you have to avoid it. But
Speaker 2: so this is It's one of those books where when
Speaker 2: I read the synopsis a few times and for some
Speaker 2: reason it just didn't get me in, and then literally
Speaker 2: first couple of pages, I'm like, oh no, everyone was right.
Speaker 2: This is amazing. So it's set in a farming village
Speaker 2: in Dorset in England, so holy you'd be familiar. I
Speaker 2: love how I just think anyone from England is.
Speaker 3: Far from where I grew up.
Speaker 1: No offense, but fine, it's the same country, yeah, different accents.
Speaker 1: You grew up on a farm, didn't in Manchester.
Speaker 2: And it oscillates between nineteen fifty five and nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 2: and it starts with us knowing that a farmer is dead.
Speaker 2: Basically the first few pages you know that someone someone
Speaker 2: is dead. You don't know who is dead, you don't
Speaker 2: know who's found them dead. You just know that this
Speaker 2: person has been shot. And then you kind of get
Speaker 2: into the rest of the story. And Beth and Frank
Speaker 2: are a happily married couple in the thirties living on
Speaker 2: this far and then one day Beth's brother in law
Speaker 2: shoots a dog that comes onto their farm and has
Speaker 2: started attacking the sheep, and he shoots it because he's like,
Speaker 2: you can't you can't start attacking our animals. And then
Speaker 2: when they look up, they realize the dog belongs to
Speaker 2: Gabriel Wolfe, who is the man Beth loved as a
Speaker 2: teenager who broke her heart as he left.
Speaker 3: And the dog. That's great.
Speaker 2: So he's there with his son and it's their dog,
Speaker 2: and so obviously they're like, oh, sorry shooting your dog.
Speaker 2: But it is the beginning of a very very incredible
Speaker 2: love story. It's a is it sexy, but it's a
Speaker 2: love story that feels like a thriller. I cried, I
Speaker 2: sobbed at the end. Also really interesting commentary on class,
Speaker 2: which I always love in my British books. When I
Speaker 2: learned things about like the kind of village community versus
Speaker 2: all the posh people who got Oxford. So it's got
Speaker 2: that whole dynamic and I just gobbled it up really quickly,
Speaker 2: which is what I need for books at the moment.
Speaker 3: You know, sidebar.
Speaker 1: I know we don't have a book club anymore. But
Speaker 1: the next book I'm dying to read when I get
Speaker 1: a minute is Yesteryear.
Speaker 3: Have you heard about that?
Speaker 1: Oh, I've heard about The premise is tradwife, influencer wakes
Speaker 1: up and she's back in.
Speaker 3: The old day. So excited that book.
Speaker 1: Has has so got me written all over how to
Speaker 1: get that book into me as quickly as possible?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine pitching that book and then just being
Speaker 2: like his seven million what's a good good idea?
Speaker 1: The way he's brought the d I know, so out
Speaker 1: loud as, we can all read that together.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure, I don't know if it's out or
Speaker 3: coming out.
Speaker 2: Or already I think the books.
Speaker 3: It's on my TBR list, as they say. Anyway, that's
Speaker 3: it out loud as.
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