WEBVTT - The Most Honest Dating Questionnaire We've Ever Seen

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Mama Mirror out Loud. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you might find you may have already heard. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that we are still the number one podcast in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even with Hamish Nandy back, Hamish Sandy back.

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<v Speaker 1>But the world is just churning and this is just

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<v Speaker 1>a new place. Yes, just where we hang out these days.

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<v Speaker 1>You might have We've probably bored you with it, but

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<v Speaker 1>Emma hasn't been on the show, so no, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get very, very excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it is our thirty episodes versus therefore, but

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<v Speaker 3>who's counting. It's a listeners, not episodes. Got it? Got it?

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<v Speaker 3>Got it? So we're winning. We're winning number one anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm Claire Stevens, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>M Vernon Claire Stephens. Is something you need to bring to.

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<v Speaker 2>The group, there is, guys. I'm in my flop Era and.

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<v Speaker 3>I just feel great for being in your flop era.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. Em That actually means a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone the other day was like, you don't even look

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<v Speaker 2>that pregnant. I was like, I really needed to hear that.

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<v Speaker 3>How pregnant are we now?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm twenty eight weeks okay, and yeah, twenty eight weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>How many more there is to go?

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<v Speaker 2>At least another ten yeah, yeah, at least another three

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<v Speaker 2>quarters of the way. Yeah, yeah, which which here's a question.

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<v Speaker 3>Three quarters two thirds?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you do? You do the maths about trimesters? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense, doesn't mat up.

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<v Speaker 2>I was explaining this to my partner the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, first trimester is twelve weeks, okay, well

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<v Speaker 2>maybe so, then second trimester would end it twenty four weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>So then third trimester would end it thirty six weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is there a month to go? Why this is

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<v Speaker 2>the thing? Pregnancy ain't ain't nine months, it's ten months.

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<v Speaker 3>It's ten not fat.

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<v Speaker 2>But my flop era. I just feel like I need

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<v Speaker 2>to be open with the out louders because if they

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<v Speaker 2>see me out and about, they might notice I'm flopping.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not flopping anyway. We're just going to put the

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<v Speaker 1>she's not flopping aside and let you flop go.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Number one, I have a skin cancer on my notes.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that I need to get cut out and

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<v Speaker 2>the surgery to get it cut out, which I thought

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<v Speaker 2>would be chill because I'm like, it's a b CC.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thirty five. No, they have to cut a huge

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<v Speaker 2>hole in my face and do a skin grass. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my darling, And I just want to know any out louders.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had stuff like cut out of your face. Any

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<v Speaker 2>suggestions you have Are they're going to do this after

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<v Speaker 2>you have the baby?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But not long after?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so you're going to be a new mum of

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<v Speaker 1>two with a big hole in your correct Oh that

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<v Speaker 1>does not sound like fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I can I go through your like nostril and pull

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<v Speaker 3>it out from there? Already a hole there.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be a doctor. You should.

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<v Speaker 3>In that briefing room.

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<v Speaker 2>You should have heard my suggestions to the surgeon. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to just I was like, I get nosebleeds

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes and he's like that's unpleathed.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's just the doctors like you should probably get

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<v Speaker 3>that checked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like that's another element of my flop ear that's unrelated.

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<v Speaker 2>My other flop ear element is like my twin sister

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<v Speaker 2>before me, I've been diagnosed with gestational diabetes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very creepy with it's always the ones who love

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate and.

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<v Speaker 2>If any if you know anything about me, and Jathy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's that we love our chocolate, we love our snacks.

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear out loud and shouting at you because

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<v Speaker 1>they're going, it's not that.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't blame yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And the doctor told me there's nothing I could have done.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, but it's really sad.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I feel really sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hungry and I'm confused and I don't understand food

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<v Speaker 2>and now I've turned into hollywayin right because everything has

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<v Speaker 2>to be a protein.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been through this sitting next to your sister. So

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<v Speaker 1>just ask me and I will just say cottage cheese

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<v Speaker 1>all time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like cottage cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a problem. Yeah, yeah, you know what, I will

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<v Speaker 3>give you a tin of tuna from my stash.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, darling.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm just flopping all over the place. So

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<v Speaker 2>if I you know, if you hear me say something

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast we think clear out sentence didn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 2>you would be right, Oh, you would be right out

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<v Speaker 2>louders and just thanks for I don't know, thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>supporting me through my flop era.

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<v Speaker 3>Send her a bit of love.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it. And if you're flopping, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>all share.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcoming share, we will flop all flop together. Here is

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<v Speaker 1>what has made our agenda for today. Nicole Kidman has

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<v Speaker 1>a new career plan and it's quite serious.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus there's a new dating questionnaire that is answering all

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<v Speaker 3>the questions that I need to know. And I've never

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<v Speaker 3>heard before.

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<v Speaker 2>And no one in Vogue has their nails done anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have a theory about what it means. But

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<v Speaker 2>first class Stevens, there is absolutely no feeling like the

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<v Speaker 2>sheene of ick that seems to have settled into your

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<v Speaker 2>paws and your hair follicles after a full day in

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<v Speaker 2>the office. And I've always thought this, and I've never

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought it was just me. I remember it

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<v Speaker 2>at school as well. By the end of a school day,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, oh, why am I shiny? And I

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<v Speaker 2>agree seel icky, and I'd look at other people and think, no,

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<v Speaker 2>they still look put together.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's interesting because you know, on Monday's show

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about working from home. On yesterday's subscriber episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Me and Me I had a bit of it about

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<v Speaker 1>working from home. This could be one of the other

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<v Speaker 1>things we could put in our requests for flexible working yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we could say, don't you want me to look hot

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<v Speaker 1>at all time? Exactly and feel fresh by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. Why would somebody think of my hair because.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel fresher if I've just been at home. And

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<v Speaker 2>a content creator named Noah Donlin has gone viral on

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and TikTok for sharing a term for this and

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<v Speaker 2>it perfectly explains it. She calls it office air or

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<v Speaker 2>the office air theory. So she works as a corporate girlie,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's important. It just she's in an office,

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<v Speaker 2>adult jobs, yep, fluorescent lighting, air conditioning, all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>She's going for the corner office and agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>With the proof exactly. And one of her most viral

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<v Speaker 2>videos has the caption, no, you're not ugly, and no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just you. It's office air.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you consider that, this is why you're in

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<v Speaker 3>your flop hair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the bloody office air. It is an office air

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<v Speaker 2>probably as well is full of viruses. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>pull that out. But she has taken photos of herself.

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<v Speaker 2>She'll take a photo or a video of herself. At

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the day she turns up for work.

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<v Speaker 2>Her hair is blow dried to frame, her face, it's up.

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<v Speaker 2>Her makeup is perfect, her I makeup is perfect. And

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<v Speaker 2>then she's like twelve pm and everything has melted like

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<v Speaker 2>her like your face eats your makeup by that stage,

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<v Speaker 2>and the hair is all like strandy and it's all oily.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of the comments were so good. They were

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<v Speaker 2>like bright red eyes for no reason. You look at yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>You whoa, I have an eye infection? Or I look

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<v Speaker 2>like a sick Victorian child by lunch, very very true.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you guys have office air issues?

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<v Speaker 1>I always feel like I'm coming down with the cold

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<v Speaker 1>at about three o'clock if I'm in the office or there,

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<v Speaker 1>about three o'clock of a suddenly like, oh yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>definitely getting a cold. And then I leave and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a cold. Or you just have your third coffee

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, so true, that's why I need

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<v Speaker 1>that three people.

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<v Speaker 3>You really go outside and you're like, oh exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's so nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm not getting a cold, but every day I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm getting a.

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<v Speaker 3>Cold about three. It sounds very similar to the boyfriend

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<v Speaker 3>breath effect. I heard of this. No, so it was

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<v Speaker 3>these girls on TikTok, who were making these videos saying,

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<v Speaker 3>why do I always look like crap after I spent

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<v Speaker 3>the day with my boyfriend? And it's like these girls

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<v Speaker 3>who have been in new relationships with their partners and

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<v Speaker 3>then they video themselves with their boyfriend and it's like

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<v Speaker 3>him like massaging their head and falling asleep on their

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<v Speaker 3>shoulder and breathing on their neck, and then they just

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<v Speaker 3>come away just feeling so gross and.

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<v Speaker 1>Greasely letting other people into your physical.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you know who doesn't have office air and agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. And you know what my theory for

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<v Speaker 2>that would be. She's not in the bloody office telling

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else to be in the office. But she is

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<v Speaker 2>doing a lot of podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>Writer and artist Miranda July. She did All Four.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't listened to our book club episode about

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<v Speaker 1>All Fours.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a massive book, like.

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<v Speaker 1>The year before last, and we did a book Club

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<v Speaker 1>episode about it in December which was just chaotic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great book. She's just amazing. It's a fine book. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 3>She's she's definitely out there. Yeah, she is. She is,

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<v Speaker 3>and she has a substack and on her substack. She

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<v Speaker 3>has started a dating service. So what she does is

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<v Speaker 3>she sends out a question air to all her readers,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you're looking to date someone, you answer the questions,

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<v Speaker 3>send it back to her, and she pub as a

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<v Speaker 3>post so people can reach out to that person. Some

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<v Speaker 3>of the questions are kind of similar to what I

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<v Speaker 3>have seen on dating apps, like do you want kids?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have pets? How old are you? How would

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<v Speaker 3>your best friend describe you? But then I saw some

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<v Speaker 3>questions that completely blew my mind. What do you like

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<v Speaker 3>slash dislike about airports and flying? I love that question.

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<v Speaker 1>That is such a good question, is insightful? Answer that question, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>just so we can get to know you all better.

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<v Speaker 2>What I so? I love airports. I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>already on holidays. I love just walking around and looking

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<v Speaker 2>at things. Things I dislike is always going through security

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<v Speaker 2>because I've never done the right thing with my liquids ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you like about airport?

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<v Speaker 3>I hate airports so much, so much, I have such

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<v Speaker 3>It's the only place in the whole world I have

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<v Speaker 3>so much like anxiety about getting in trouble. I never

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<v Speaker 3>want to be in trouble. I never want to be late.

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<v Speaker 3>I never want to be the last person on the plane.

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<v Speaker 3>Traveling with you whole has been such a nightmare for me.

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<v Speaker 3>See when Hole's like, do you want to share an

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<v Speaker 3>uber to the airport? No, I do not know, because

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<v Speaker 3>we're catching that uber like twenty minutes before our fly

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<v Speaker 3>takes up. I want to be there an hour before.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to put an extra time for security because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm brown, and they're always like if we need a double.

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<v Speaker 2>Check back, that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like the food that always makes me constipated.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so many things that's so funny. I really am

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<v Speaker 3>with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I really like airports, although when you travel a lot

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<v Speaker 1>for work. Last year I traveled a lot for work,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the shine comes off it. But I really

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<v Speaker 1>like holiday airports, like when you're going away and then

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind getting there early because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>eat all the things. I want to buy unnecessary items.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to just walk around.

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<v Speaker 3>Being like I'm out of here, like I believe in

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<v Speaker 3>can't wait anyway. Sorry, we digress, We digress. So these

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<v Speaker 3>are the kind of questions that she has very insightful.

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<v Speaker 3>She also has some questions that make the person send

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<v Speaker 3>in photos. So she's said, let's see a picture of

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<v Speaker 3>you that you think is maximum flattering, and let's see

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<v Speaker 3>a nice picture of you that looks more like the

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<v Speaker 3>way you usually look. I think that is genius.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm not on the apps, and it's a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of internet dating right back at the beginning of internet

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<v Speaker 1>dating world. But do the traditional dating apps do many

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<v Speaker 1>of them have these kind of like tricksy interesting things

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<v Speaker 1>or is it all pretty straightforward, like tell me your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite color.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know so much about you, because I think, for.

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<v Speaker 1>Example, that that trick about the photos is excellent because

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<v Speaker 1>we all want to post the really flattering picture of ourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>but we also don't want to turn up. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>feedback from people in my world that like, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to turn up at a date and the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing you see on their face be like a flicker of.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to you don't want to catfish, but

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be able to show them that you

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<v Speaker 2>have the potential to look for the really hot given

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<v Speaker 2>the right conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>I can healer would say, as I'm starting here with

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<v Speaker 1>the messy barn, and they're like, but that I can

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<v Speaker 1>get to here, but I'll be back down here again.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to be upset about that. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's genius. Dating apps do have a lot of questions

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<v Speaker 3>like that, where you now can upload photos and videos

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<v Speaker 3>and voice notes, which are very important because I find

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<v Speaker 3>voices very attracted.

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<v Speaker 2>They say in their voice, is everyone just trying.

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<v Speaker 1>To I'm also so sorry that I sound like that

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<v Speaker 1>auntie who's like, tell me about what it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>The most men just use it to show off their

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<v Speaker 3>Robert de Niro impression, and they're always so bad. It's

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<v Speaker 3>so funny. That just reminds me of Barbie and them

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<v Speaker 3>all singing that song. Literally, do you want to push you?

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<v Speaker 3>The issues with dating apps questions is that there's hundreds

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<v Speaker 3>and hundreds of questions to choose from, so unlike this

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<v Speaker 3>questionnaire where you have to answer all of her questions,

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<v Speaker 3>these ones you just pick a choose the ones you like,

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<v Speaker 3>so you always end up with the profile that is

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<v Speaker 3>best fitted, that you think is the best version of yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>The one that men always choose that I hate and

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<v Speaker 3>no woman ever wants to answer is the two truths

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<v Speaker 3>and a lie, Oh, because I just want to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you stories about their crazy lifestyle. So the two truths,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lie will be like I fought a gorilla,

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<v Speaker 3>I fought an alligator, I fought a shark, And then

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<v Speaker 3>the lie would be like, oh, I nearly thought a shark,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't actually, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Mad annoying me to Miranda's You Lie World exactly. She

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<v Speaker 1>also asked them to show a picture of their bed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Oh, beds are really important. I have actually a

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<v Speaker 3>list of questions that I would ask the guys that

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<v Speaker 3>I at least I would say, okay, number one, do

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<v Speaker 3>you have navy sheets?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Is navy sheets a bad bad? Maybe sheets are always

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<v Speaker 3>bad because navy sheets are the sheets that they just

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<v Speaker 3>took from their childhood bedroom. Because as they're growing up

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<v Speaker 3>and become teenagers, their moms are like, okay, you're becoming

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<v Speaker 3>a big boy. Now let's remove the cars. Here's some

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<v Speaker 3>navy sheets, so everyone knows you're still a boy, but

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<v Speaker 3>you're also becoming a man. And then that guy's like,

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<v Speaker 3>hell yeah, mom, sheets were life.

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<v Speaker 2>And then taking the navy she wear a flat pillow.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why a picture of the bed is really taste,

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<v Speaker 3>because you can't like, you want to see linen, you

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<v Speaker 3>want to see some white, some textures I want to

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<v Speaker 3>say to the guy, no pillows, just pillowcases, just pillowcases.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you know, when I met Brent, he did have

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<v Speaker 1>a futon, like it's basically a mattress on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember walking into his bedroom and being like,

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<v Speaker 1>I could choose for this to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Not grown up yet, even though you are nearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty, or I could choose it to mean traveler, easy going,

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't invested in settling down. Like yeah, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that all these photos they're not necessarily negative positive.

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<v Speaker 3>They just tell you something important about them, don't they.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she also says, show me the inside of

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<v Speaker 1>your fridge.

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<v Speaker 2>I would hate to show people.

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<v Speaker 3>What would I learn about you?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, Lukey used to do that to you, and you

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<v Speaker 1>and Jesse used to share a house, and when Luca

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<v Speaker 1>first started dating Jesse, he had a brief social media

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<v Speaker 1>content series of showing people the inside of your.

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<v Speaker 2>Fridge, like empty.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there'd be.

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<v Speaker 1>A wilted, one green, wilted thing in the crisper drawers.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is just you know, when you just at

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<v Speaker 2>that phase. As asforementioned flop Era, every time I open

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<v Speaker 2>my fridge, I'm like, something smells.

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<v Speaker 3>My fridge is always smelling and I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>it is. Something's gone somewhere. Are only truly clean when

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<v Speaker 3>they're new.

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<v Speaker 1>If has that fresh place you imagined you didn't care

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<v Speaker 1>care about the world, you'd just be like every month,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be like.

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<v Speaker 2>Screw it, this's but that would be interesting. Actually, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to take a photo of my fridge, send it

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<v Speaker 2>to someone and be like, can you tell me what's

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<v Speaker 2>mol something?

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<v Speaker 1>You find it app You're like, can you sort out

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<v Speaker 1>my fridge problem for me? I think we could add

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<v Speaker 1>a photo. And I know this might be more female skewing,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's remember we just want to get to know

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<v Speaker 1>people and who knows what you're into. But a photo

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<v Speaker 1>of your hair brush is very telling. Oh I'm dating

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who's bored.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that would.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a silly question for him, but like I would be.

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<v Speaker 1>My hair brush is often just full of my managed

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<v Speaker 1>hair is gross, and when I've cleaned it and pulled

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<v Speaker 1>that out stuff, I feel like that woman we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about last week who has.

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<v Speaker 3>That shit together. If my hair brush is clean, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>feeling good. I feel like for a whole for you,

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<v Speaker 3>I would ask show me the lap of the person

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<v Speaker 3>sitting next to you on the train. It's just full

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<v Speaker 3>of your hair. Oh my god, I thought about you, Sidebar.

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<v Speaker 1>Sidebar doesn't approve of the fact that when I come

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<v Speaker 1>up on the train, I put my makeup on on

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<v Speaker 1>the train, which I always do. But she said, you

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<v Speaker 1>do draw the line at hair brushing, don't you, And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so long, you're like elbowing people out of But

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<v Speaker 4>on Monday morning this week, I was on the early

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<v Speaker 4>train and I was doing my makeup that I was

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<v Speaker 4>just pulled my hairbrush.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of my back and then I'm like no, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say, no, I can wait till I get to

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<v Speaker 3>the office. So I'm growing personating.

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<v Speaker 2>I came up with a few questions because I agree

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<v Speaker 2>am I think that there are some really personalized things

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<v Speaker 2>that you can ask someone to get a sense of

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<v Speaker 2>are we compatible And it's very much they like they've

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<v Speaker 2>got to be tailored to what you value. So what

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<v Speaker 2>I find hard about meeting new people is I can't

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<v Speaker 2>ask you if you're funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Like or because everyone would say yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's and you need to kind of test

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<v Speaker 2>the waters. So I think, what do you find funny?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's a compilation of people falling over Then don't worry,

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<v Speaker 2>don't You're so right, We're done. The other one is

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<v Speaker 2>who is your favorite family member? Who is your least

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<v Speaker 2>favorite and why? Because I want to hear the weirdness

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<v Speaker 2>of your family. I need to know how you see

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<v Speaker 2>other people that even your least favorite family member, that

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<v Speaker 2>you see some humor in that and your favorite family member,

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<v Speaker 2>like why are they? Are they the rogus person in

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<v Speaker 2>your family? I need some details. Also, what's your take

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<v Speaker 2>on the Beckham family fuse?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, take me a long time to unpack that?

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you sit? Explain who you were in kindergarten? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I actually thought that one of the good photos to

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<v Speaker 1>send would be the official an official school primary photos,

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<v Speaker 1>because you can you can learn a lot about somebody

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<v Speaker 1>just by looking at that, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You can judge what your future kids might look like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's actually I think that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon, send me a picture of you in the

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<v Speaker 1>from primary school.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have always thought that the older you get,

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<v Speaker 2>the older you get, I reckon, you get closer to

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<v Speaker 2>who you were in kindergarten. Maybe, so if you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>describe who you were in kindergarten. I want the person

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<v Speaker 2>to be self deprecating. This is an opportunity for fun.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not like you can be funny here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, And it also kind of shows probably who

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to become. Finally, a photo of a pair

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<v Speaker 2>of shoes you like and a photo of a pair

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<v Speaker 2>of shoes you hate, because I need to know that

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<v Speaker 2>you know what ugly shoes are.

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<v Speaker 1>That oh my god, Bred and I would never have

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<v Speaker 1>got together. Doesn't own any other kind?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh when you when you I remember turning up to

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<v Speaker 2>dates or somebody be like, oh I'm seeing this. I

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<v Speaker 2>come meet him and you just take one look at

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<v Speaker 2>their shoes and go, come on, now, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are a deal break. I have one.

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<v Speaker 1>I have one more thing I want to ask from

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<v Speaker 1>around in julyes. So she says, send this message to

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<v Speaker 1>your best friend now, and the best friend is and

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically like described me. But she also says, now

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<v Speaker 1>send it to your ex, your most recent X, and

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<v Speaker 1>what do they say about you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the most telling part of that is do

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<v Speaker 2>you have an ex who will reply exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's I think that's what that question

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<v Speaker 1>is getting too, that they don't really want people who

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<v Speaker 1>have really toxic relationships with their exes, because I've got

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<v Speaker 1>lots of my divorce friends who go on dates. Say,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest red flag is you sit down with a

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<v Speaker 1>guy and he starts bitching about his ex wife. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like obediently, the custody, the split, the blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like nah. But I want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>If I texted your most recent X and I said

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<v Speaker 1>three words for family vernon, obviously they'd say hot, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure we would go we're not even counting,

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<v Speaker 1>not even hating that.

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<v Speaker 3>What else? I'm pretty sure he'd be like, who was

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<v Speaker 3>that again? Or that one who talked about me on

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast one with that little blog, that little mum

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<v Speaker 3>and me a blog.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so interesting. I reckon last night's dinner. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know that, Yep, what did you eat last night?

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<v Speaker 3>Mine would be tuna and crackers. Well always, I think

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<v Speaker 3>I'd failed this question. I'm not getting a date from

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<v Speaker 3>this question.

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<v Speaker 1>Last photo I want to see is your shower shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot to be said about that,

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<v Speaker 1>like pose empty and just like still there is there

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<v Speaker 1>a rusty razor there?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what what's the situation photo of your bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we have a little just sliver half moon sliver

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<v Speaker 1>of finish soap there, or do.

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<v Speaker 3>We have like a fresh sporty wash.

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<v Speaker 2>If my husband had had to take a photo of

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<v Speaker 2>his bathroom at any point, the floor would just be wet,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? Just always wet. The

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<v Speaker 2>other the final thing that I do think would be

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<v Speaker 2>very insightful and am I'd love your thoughts on this,

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<v Speaker 2>asking what's your enneagram and do you agree? Why or

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<v Speaker 2>why not? Because I think, for example, like you saying

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<v Speaker 2>what your enniogram is, that's very interesting for somebody to know.

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<v Speaker 2>But then also you saying, but I'm not murderous, Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not ojasent, I'm not jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be really helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break, Nicole Kidman says she's considering a career

0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.919
<v Speaker 1>pivot and it's quite a serious one. So Kidman, as

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<v Speaker 1>I like to call Nicole Kidman my friend Kidman. She

0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.399
<v Speaker 1>is on the promo circuit for Margo has money troubles.

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<v Speaker 1>She is always on the promo circuit for something because

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<v Speaker 1>the woman works hard. EMM agreed would approve. But she's

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<v Speaker 1>not just talking about the usual like, oh, I loved

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<v Speaker 1>working with my co stars and stuff. She's actually talking

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<v Speaker 1>about some real things in a lot of the events

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<v Speaker 1>for this and one of them that she's brought up

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<v Speaker 1>quite often is about the death of her mom. So

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<v Speaker 1>she lost her mom, Janelle and Kidman in September twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four. She'd already lost her father ten years before that,

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 1>and she's been talking about how that experience has shifted

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 1>everything for her, which is obviously incredibly relatable, and that

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 1>it has encouraged her to add something to her career.

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.440
<v Speaker 1>She says, it may sound a little weird, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>learning to be a death duoler. So that's part of

0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.879
<v Speaker 1>my expansion and one of the things I'll be learning.

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<v Speaker 1>As my mother was passing, she was lonely and there

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.760
<v Speaker 1>was only so much the family could provide. Between my

0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 1>sister and I we have so many children and our

0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 1>careers and our work, and wanting to take care of

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.360
<v Speaker 1>her because my father wasn't in the world anymore. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's when I went, I wish there were these people

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<v Speaker 1>in the world that were there to sit impartially and

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<v Speaker 1>just provide solace and care. I think this is one

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of the most relatable things. Most certainly the most relatable

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:56.160
<v Speaker 1>midlife thing Nicole Kidman has ever said, because Kidney gets

0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sort of crap thrown her away really

0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 1>for looking the way she does, you know, doing anti

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.639
<v Speaker 1>aging procedures whatever, like are you even aging?

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah blah blah.

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things that's so beautiful and vulnerable

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 1>about what she's sharing there is she's admitting that her

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and her sister couldn't just drop everything and be there

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.159
<v Speaker 1>for her mum in her last months, which is very relatable.

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 1>And also it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how hard

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:27.760
<v Speaker 1>any of us fight aging on the outside, but time

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.200
<v Speaker 1>is moving and these things are going to happen, and

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 1>if there's one thing incredibly certain about aging, it she

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 1>will experience more loss. So I just think it's amazing

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.880
<v Speaker 1>she's talking about this. But she went on to talk

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.680
<v Speaker 1>about what she thinks what death duelers do and why

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.280
<v Speaker 1>she thinks she'd be a good one. Do you guys

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:46.640
<v Speaker 1>know what a death doler does?

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<v Speaker 2>There was a death dueler in a recent episode of

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.920
<v Speaker 2>The Pit, and that storyline got a lot of people talking.

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:58.639
<v Speaker 2>There was a mother who had had cancer for seven

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 2>years and had little kids, and a woman turns up

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 2>who happens to be one of the er night shift staff,

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and she turns up and she is this woman's death

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Dueller and I thought it was a really powerful representation

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:17.880
<v Speaker 2>of what they do, because it's the idea of having

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 2>someone who's a non medical companion who's providing support but

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 2>can also provide a whole lot of information and help

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 2>with admin like they're the people who might know all

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:36.119
<v Speaker 2>about planning a funeral or what kind of wishes you

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 2>should know in order to feel like you've kind of

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 2>carried that person's legacy on in the pit. What was

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 2>really insightful was that the woman who was dying had

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 2>different wishes to her husband and her family, and a

0:25:54.880 --> 0:26:00.639
<v Speaker 2>death dueler kind of navigates both is advocating for somebody

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 2>who might be terminally ill and also trying to negotiate

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:09.199
<v Speaker 2>that with the family members, and it is you just

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>look at it and think we are being confronted. I

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 2>think with more decision about more decisions about end of

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>life care, the longer we the longer humans live for

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 2>and having somebody who can help with services and navigating

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 2>the medical system and social and psychological and spiritual support.

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 2>I just cannot even imagine how valuable that would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I first learned about death duelers from that Australian

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 3>TV show Bump Yes. One of the characters was diagnosed

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 3>with terminal illness and she had this debt dulla, and

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 3>it felt like it was just a third part, like

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.439
<v Speaker 3>kind of like a therapist, where it's someone who cares

0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:00.400
<v Speaker 3>for you, but they're like so separated from your life.

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.159
<v Speaker 3>And I think if you have a terminal diagnosis that

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 3>and you want someone to talk to that's not a

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 3>family member who isn't so involved in your life. That

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 3>storyline just played out so beautifully to me because she

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 3>seemed like she was just an ongoing therapist. I was

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 3>just there to listen and provide advice for I think

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 3>what would be nice to do, but I don't think

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 3>we can. Is how our debt deal is meant to

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 3>work with people who don't have a terminal diagnosis when

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 3>it's a bit too late, where you like, for example,

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 3>my grandfather, he was so so old, but then when

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 3>he got to the hospital, he just felt like he

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 3>was there for so long, and I feel like that

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 3>was too short for space to bring someone else in

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.880
<v Speaker 3>to like help him with that and deal with that,

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 3>and all the examples of dead dealers I've seen have

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 3>been with that person for quite some time. And if

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 3>I was at an age like that, like in my

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 3>eighties orline, I don't think i'd like want a dead

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 3>doler because I think that's confirming something I don't want

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 3>to be confirmed as yet.

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>I've read that apparently all the kind of training and

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 2>conversations that are going into the kind of death dueller community,

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>the idea of having research on what actually supports people

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and where the gaps are, that they are providing training

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>in hospitals, and that it's kind of more of a

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>symbiotic relationship, which I think is also the case with

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 2>birth doulers, that they can work really well.

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>A lot of differtionals ways like paraly Live Care Australia

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>will give like there's lots of practical advice for when

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>you get to that point.

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 3>But death.

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I interviewed this amazing woman who wasn't a death dueler.

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>She called herself a death walker, Jackie Bailey on mid

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>in the very first season of that and it's one

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>of the most popular episodes we did, which is strange

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 1>in a way, but she was well. She was one

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of the people who talked to me about what Nicole

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Kidman was talking about there, right. I think it was

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>so honest of Kidman to say we knew our mum's

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 1>end of life was coming. Because death can of course

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.959
<v Speaker 1>be horribly sudden and come from nowhere and be shocking

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of people that kind of lost. But

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>it can also, to be honest, take quite a long

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>time when you know that a loved one is going

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to pass, but you don't know when, and there's a

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>lot to be done during that. And Jackie Bailey made

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the point in that interview that I thought was so

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>great that you think that everything will stop, because that's

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>the only thing that matters is that you're losing somebody

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>very important to you, and so everything will stop. But

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>the reality of it is that isn't how life works.

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>And she said that's true emotionally as well as practically.

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>So you know, if you've got a difficult relationship with somebody,

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>with your family member, your parent or whatever, you probably

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>will continue to do that. And so often a dueler

0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>or a death walker or a person who's that that

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>intermediate can help with that, but also in the practical sense,

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 1>if you live a million miles away, if you've got

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>a really busy job, if you've got other caring responsibilities,

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>those things don't stop. And I think we don't like

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to ever admit that because we are I think culturally

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>we're obviously very We don't like to talk about death

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>at all. We don't want to admit that it has

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 1>to fold into everyday life, which in a way it

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of does. But what was really interesting that Kidman

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>went on to say, because obviously she said this once

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>in an interview and everybody said, what are you talking about?

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>And so then she was at another event she was

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>asked about it again and she said, I find it

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>really fascinating. It's really beautiful, and you have to be

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>a certain personality to be able to do it. But

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>I found I'm actually that personality. It's very important to me.

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 1>There is always suffering, but there are people there who

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>can help with that, help those final stages be less painful.

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>If you feel the connection in your heart, that's lovely.

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So that's what I'm exploring. And I remembered with my

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.719
<v Speaker 1>conversation with doctor Bailey that I was thinking, well, I

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>wonder what those what that personality would be, because again

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>most of us we're just like, oh, death scary. We

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>rail against it, and you particularly rail against it with

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>someone when it's somebody you love, like you don't want

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it, face it. And some of the

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>things were about compassionate detachment, So you have to if

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 1>you're brought into that situation, you have to care a

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>great deal and be empathetic, but you can't add weight

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to the family that you're also grieving or going through

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 1>drama about it. So you've got to be able to

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>be very compassionate but detached. And not everybody can do that.

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>If you're one of those people that goes around saying

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you're an EmPATH all the time, you probably can't do that.

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>You have to have a high threshold for being uncomfortable,

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 1>because as I said, most people want to turn away

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 1>from it. But the idea of somebody who might be comfortable,

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>and this might be the kind of person who doesn't

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>rush to fill a silence, who can deal with conflict.

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>The impartial soul is so basically objectivity is that you

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>need that person who isn't enmeshed in the family to

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>that point of before is that if there's differing needs

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>or wants in the family, somebody who can stand a

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit outside that and be like, Okay, but what

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>this person wants is X, or what might be work

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 1>better is why? And also having a pretty good intuition

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>because you need to read the room, know when to

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 1>hold a hand, when to get out of there, when

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>to all of those things. And I thought that's really

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>interesting because certainly, when I sat with Dr Bailey, her

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>whole energy was very much about not being afraid of

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>that moment.

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 3>And I know in my life when I've.

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Been in situations with a family member who's passing there,

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody reacts differently in terms of the people who are

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>desperately holding on and the people who can somehow let go.

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know I found it really. I know people are.

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Like, it's made a lot of headlines about kidman, so

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>has silly like what's she going to do? Like stop

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>making movies and just start turning up at hospitals, Like

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's what she meant. But you know

0:32:56.520 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>how sometimes someone says a thing that you're like that

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>that's really true.

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 3>That part about because.

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>These are people her and her family, people with money,

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>people with resources, people who can outsource stuff, people who

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>can hire death dollers, all those things. But she obviously

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>still carries some guilt about not being around enough for

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>a mum at the end, which tells you everything really,

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't it. The other reason why I think it's great

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 1>that Nicole Kidman is talking about this is because I

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 1>said before how it's the most relatable midlife things she's done.

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like she's got she's clearly she's just gone through

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>a divorce, she's lost both her parents. This is one

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>of those moments when everything kind of comes crashing around you,

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>no matter how famous you are. But I know there'll

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>be a lot of out louders listening to this who

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>in stages of grief over people they've lost. And it

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter how old they were. In many ways, it

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter how ready for it you were. It can

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>be completely sideswiping, and I just you know, I think

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously for us with our hearts, go out to any

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 1>out louders who that is your experience, and I'm sure

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>you all have some experiences of what this is like,

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>what would be helpful and what wouldn't.

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 2>And just on that, like talking wholly about kind of

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>what ADULA does. I also thought it was interesting the

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 2>thing that they don't do so that they don't obviously

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 2>diagnose or recommend starting or stopping medications or treatments that

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>are in administer medication or give advice that I think

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the personality that you need to have

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 2>in order to be a DULA, some people would find

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 2>that really really difficult because you want to control a situation,

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 2>or you think that you know best, or that you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it done a certain way before and that was,

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:44.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, a healing experience, so you think it should

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 2>be done that way again. It would be very difficult

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 2>to kind of hold all your experiences and yet still

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 2>accept that none of this is your call. You're just

0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 2>there to kind of be a sound bored and to

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>provide a whole lot of information. And death is just nobody, like,

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 2>we're so sanitized from it and nobody knows that there

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 2>is no right or wrong way to navigate it. And

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 2>so having having that kind of support would be would

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>be incredible. The thing I do think with Nicole Kidman

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>is I think it might be distracting having Nicole Kidman.

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 3>Be the death do all.

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if actually practical dying, and Nicole Kidman turned up,

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, I'm in heabit.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.280
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't be like but wait, I have questions.

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 2>It's like my dying wish. May you tell me the

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>GOSSI about Tom Cruise. I recently picked off my gel

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 2>mail and I haven't replaced them, and.

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad you brought this up because I was

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 3>looking at.

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 2>And I actually had like a few things to film

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 2>over the last few days, and just all weekend I

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>walked around in circles being like, you need to get

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 2>your nails done, and I didn't get them done.

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I can never pick them off if I get shellac,

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, which I sometimes do. This isn't like this

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 1>is just ordinary old nail polish. But I you know,

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>people always say I pick it off. I can't pick

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>it off. I don't know how to, Like, I just

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>can't do that. Maybe I'm getting too good shillak yeah,

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:22.720
<v Speaker 1>and then it just starts growing out and drives me crazy.

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Mine starts like, oh, mine's stay on for ages, so

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I can kind of pick it off from the bottom

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 2>where it's like grown out. But I get my nails

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>done because I bite them so much. And then having

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 2>nails is like the impetus to not bite, Like if

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I've got nail polish, I'll be like, no, no, no,

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 2>come on. We paid good money. But apparently I'm right

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 2>on trend as always. Because to a substack called the

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:52.439
<v Speaker 2>b List by Bella Gerrard, no one in Vogue gets

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 2>the nails done anymore. She writes that as she was

0:36:55.840 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>flipping through Chloe Mirles's first official Vogue issue for spring.

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 3>She's the new, like the new Anna wind Tour.

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, Anna wind Tour's nemesis. But she noticed something surprising,

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 2>which was while the cover star has chrome tips, there

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>were short nails with no more than a clear coat

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>in all the Chanelle ads, the Gucci ones, the Door,

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the Fendi, the Botega one, all the aspirational brand.

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah but they were the cover stars.

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why but short buffed fingernails were also clutching. Do

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 2>you say meumu? Mumum goes to show why why I

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:48.479
<v Speaker 2>don't have fancy nails, mew mew bags and uh and

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:54.319
<v Speaker 2>with in a Bolgari is it pod? And with it

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 2>ad for their rings? So she said it talk until

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:07.439
<v Speaker 2>page forty nine to find a gold chip looking through

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm like golda No, she found adulte and gabana model

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 2>with a slightly elongated, pale pink manny and and then

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 2>she found a burberyad with some bold silver nail up. Yeah,

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I like that, she like. She definitely had a spreadsheet

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 2>and marked down all these details. But one of the

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:44.319
<v Speaker 2>theories positive in the comment section was bear nails a

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 2>recession indicator.

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, it costs good money to get you.

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 2>It is so expensed.

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Everyone I know is like, I know someone who can

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>do it, blah blah.

0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Black market business. But he'll do it around at her house,

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:01.319
<v Speaker 3>just have to wear a gas mask.

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, maybe, But I also think we have

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>lived with the long talon, the Kardashian talon for a

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>very long time, and the mental load of every time

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I look at those nails and thinking how does that

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:19.399
<v Speaker 1>person put a tampon in? I'm quite happy to say

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 1>goodbye to that mental load.

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh me too. It can't be hygienic. I think about

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that all the time, the things that would get stark.

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not it's not nice essentially, And then you look

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 2>at someone who has young children, You're like, you're changing

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 2>nappy and.

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 1>With the now they've all got poo inside. You love

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>getting your nails done? You going to the nude Vogue

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>nail No, look, this is my one joy getting my nose.

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I have really nice, dainty hair.

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 3>You really do. We don't talk about this enough. M

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Vernum's hands. If you're watching on Apple Blender, long fingers

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:06.319
<v Speaker 3>and I can't be let down by the nails. You've

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 3>always got good nice Jewelry was a piano player growing up.

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 3>She was not allowed to have long nails. Was not

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 3>allowed to have my nails done. All my friends in

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 3>high school and black nail polish was a thing. Remember

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 3>when we had the cracked nail polish.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh that was Yeah. I didn't do any of.

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 3>That because I was a piano player. And then the

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 3>minute I finished high school, I was like, screw this

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.399
<v Speaker 3>piano life. I'm getting long nails. And I've had long

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 3>nails since.

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Are they your real nails?

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Are my real nails?

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>That's like my daughter because she plays fl and so

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 1>in the season.

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:39.399
<v Speaker 3>She cannot have long nails, but she.

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Like every teammate anti woman well, because they could be

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 1>weapons on the film. You could take someone's eye out

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 1>with that. But when I take her to get her

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 1>nails done sometimes, because you know, I am that mum

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>on the holidays. I'm always amazed at like coffin shape,

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>talon shapes, stiletto shape, square tip, brown tip, like too many.

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Choices after the break, our recommendations to get you through

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 2>what might be a long weekend for you. And if

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 2>it's not, sorry, I say, chuck a sticky on Monday.

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Oh my gosh, I've agreed. It's coming here.

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I know.

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun. This is my

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 3>best recommendation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Friday, so we want to help set up your

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 2>weekend with our best recommendations. Holly, you have a book.

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 3>I have a book. I have a book on a

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 3>roll with my books. But this is a book that

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 3>you a.

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Lot about louders will have already read because it's big.

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 1>If you haven't do yourself a favor. But also I

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:45.800
<v Speaker 1>rarely have this, but I'm reading this book being.

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Like, why didn't I write this book.

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Rebecca Armitage is a Tasmanian journalist. She is really good

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.279
<v Speaker 1>and she has written a book called Their Apparent. Now

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the out louders will have heard of

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>this book because it has been a success. It's her

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>first novel was picked for Reese's Book, Oh, which is

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>no small thing for any author from anywhere, but her

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 1>debut from Australia is like huge, well done. But the

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 1>reason I say, oh, I should have written this book

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 1>is because well, I couldn't have written this book because

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Rebecca Armitag did, and she did it so well. It's

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 1>such a patient but it's basically she's taken all the

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 1>royal gossip, all the royal intrigue and insights and etiquette

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>because she's reported on the royal family for a long

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 1>time that lives rent free in my head and has

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 1>done for decades now, and turned it into a fictionalized

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 1>really great story. So the plot of the Heir Apparent

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 1>is that the so the Prince imagine Prince Harry, but

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Prince Harry's a woman and she's called Lexi and she

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 1>after the death of her mother, her parents like very

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Prince Harry and William. Her dad is the heir to

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.359
<v Speaker 1>the throne. They get divorced in an acrimonious way. He's

0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 1>been seeing someone else. Her mother dies in an accident,

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>so she's like orphaned Prince Harry. And when she finishes

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Uni and it's like, what are you going to do next,

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 1>she goes, I'm going to run away from all this.

0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I hate all this and she runs off to Tasmania

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and she becomes a doctor. Oh, Lexi is a doctor

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 1>in Tasmania and she's living on a vineyard and it's

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 1>lovely and she's like a shwed royal life and she's

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 1>like getting around in normal clothes and or whatever. And

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.240
<v Speaker 1>then and this is not spoilers, this is the setup

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 1>for the book. And then her father, the heir to

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the throne, and her brother, the next inland to the throne,

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 1>are killed in a skiing accident, and Lexi is now

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the last one stone.

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, It's like Princess Diaries meets the Kennedy family.

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Harry meets the Kennedy family, meets Harry, and.

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.359
<v Speaker 1>So she goes back to Britain and then the plot unfolds, right,

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 1>And the thing about it is, so it's this great

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>page ternary row. It's got romance, it's got intrigues, callis

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 1>and goodies. It's not overtly sexy. It's not I mean

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 1>there but there are you know, she has sex, but

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 1>it's not like sexy. But the thing that's great about

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 1>it is it's a great story, but also it is

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>you can see rebecca armitage knowledge of this family and

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 1>all the thinly veiled there's like a Prince Andrew kind

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:20.360
<v Speaker 1>of character. There's like a Beatrice and Eugene kind of characters.

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>There's the quick like. It's just so juicy and great

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 1>but also not you know, the best fiction, and what

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 1>we write, what I write is generally termed commercial fiction,

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>walks this line between it's juicy, but it's not trashy,

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 1>do you.

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 3>Know what I mean?

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 1>And this walks not that there's anything wrong with trashy,

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 1>but you know what I mean, right, It walks this

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 1>perfect line of that. It's just like a total page

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.359
<v Speaker 1>turner with loads of juicy gossip in it, but it's

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 1>also a beautifully written, crafted book.

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:53.200
<v Speaker 3>I am loving it, and this far from the end.

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>We're not actually supposed to recommend books till we've absolutely

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>finished on but I'm finished.

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't help it. So the air apparent Rebecca outage.

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 3>If you haven't already read it, read.

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 2>It, am you're next.

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:09.319
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm recommending a TV show that has been out

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:13.319
<v Speaker 3>for a while, but season four, episode one has just

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 3>come out. It's a show called From which is on stand.

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 3>It is so good because I've seen it everywhere as well.

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:22.720
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know what, I'm gonna give this show

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 3>a go. It is a horror mystery show, like super

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 3>super horror. So no, little kids don't watch it with them.

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 3>I get nightmares. But it's basically a show about this community,

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 3>this mysterious community in somewhere in the United States, when

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:41.839
<v Speaker 3>none of them can escape. So if you're on like

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 3>a if you're traveling with your family on this road,

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.360
<v Speaker 3>they'll suddenly be a big tree trunk in the middle

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.879
<v Speaker 3>of the road and your car has to turn veer

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:51.840
<v Speaker 3>off the path, and then you land up in this

0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:53.879
<v Speaker 3>place and you don't know where you are. Your cell

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:56.799
<v Speaker 3>service isn't working, and you just keep going around and

0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 3>around this town and you can't escape, and all the

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 3>town people are like, there's another one. Let's make a

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 3>home for the other ones. And then this sinister shit happens.

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 3>Sinister stuff happens. They all have a curfew, they all

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 3>have to be home because then these creatures from the

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 3>forest come out and stalk them, and they have to

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 3>be protected in their homes. It is so scary. But

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 3>one of those shows that's kind of similar to I

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 3>guess The Walking Dead in the sense that it's created

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.719
<v Speaker 3>such a cult following, Like now I'm in all the

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Reddit threads about it and I'm looking up all the

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 3>actors from it. It's just one of those really interesting

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 3>concepts that haven't been done yet. But it's also the

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 3>type of creative show where you're constantly thinking about it

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 3>because you're like, I never ever want to be in

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:45.000
<v Speaker 3>that situation. Well, hopefully you won't. We about it Google mapp.

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Is it more or less scary than Stranger Things?

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 3>I would say it's more scary than Stranger Things. Okay, yeah,

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 3>it's a good barometer, yeah, bometer, But it is really

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 3>really scary. But it's more like creepy scary, like mystery.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you're kind of following this community trying to

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<v Speaker 3>escape the town and they have to like have self

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<v Speaker 3>appointed doctors and self appointed sheriffs to make it work

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<v Speaker 3>all well together. It's really interesting, more or less scary

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<v Speaker 3>than the Last of Us. Oh more scary, oh pretty scary, scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, I watched Anything Scary for a while. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I need something scary. My reco also a book. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called Broken Country by Claire Leslie Hall. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>one of those books that I actually have for my reading.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a spreadsheet where I have all the books

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<v Speaker 2>that I've read, and then I also have a list

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<v Speaker 2>of all the books that are on my to be read.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I introduce you to good Reads?

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<v Speaker 2>Good Reads is a dark place if you're an author.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're an author, you have to avoid it. But

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<v Speaker 2>so this is It's one of those books where when

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<v Speaker 2>I read the synopsis a few times and for some

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<v Speaker 2>reason it just didn't get me in, and then literally

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<v Speaker 2>first couple of pages, I'm like, oh no, everyone was right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is amazing. So it's set in a farming village

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<v Speaker 2>in Dorset in England, so holy you'd be familiar. I

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<v Speaker 2>love how I just think anyone from England is.

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<v Speaker 3>Far from where I grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>No offense, but fine, it's the same country, yeah, different accents.

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<v Speaker 1>You grew up on a farm, didn't in Manchester.

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<v Speaker 2>And it oscillates between nineteen fifty five and nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and it starts with us knowing that a farmer is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically the first few pages you know that someone someone

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<v Speaker 2>is dead. You don't know who is dead, you don't

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 2>know who's found them dead. You just know that this

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:52.839
<v Speaker 2>person has been shot. And then you kind of get

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<v Speaker 2>into the rest of the story. And Beth and Frank

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<v Speaker 2>are a happily married couple in the thirties living on

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<v Speaker 2>this far and then one day Beth's brother in law

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<v Speaker 2>shoots a dog that comes onto their farm and has

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<v Speaker 2>started attacking the sheep, and he shoots it because he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't you can't start attacking our animals. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when they look up, they realize the dog belongs to

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<v Speaker 2>Gabriel Wolfe, who is the man Beth loved as a

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<v Speaker 2>teenager who broke her heart as he left.

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<v Speaker 3>And the dog. That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's there with his son and it's their dog,

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<v Speaker 2>and so obviously they're like, oh, sorry shooting your dog.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is the beginning of a very very incredible

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:46.600
<v Speaker 2>love story. It's a is it sexy, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>love story that feels like a thriller. I cried, I

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<v Speaker 2>sobbed at the end. Also really interesting commentary on class,

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<v Speaker 2>which I always love in my British books. When I

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<v Speaker 2>learned things about like the kind of village community versus

0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:05.960
<v Speaker 2>all the posh people who got Oxford. So it's got

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<v Speaker 2>that whole dynamic and I just gobbled it up really quickly,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what I need for books at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, sidebar.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we don't have a book club anymore. But

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<v Speaker 1>the next book I'm dying to read when I get

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<v Speaker 1>a minute is Yesteryear.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you heard about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I've heard about The premise is tradwife, influencer wakes

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<v Speaker 1>up and she's back in.

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<v Speaker 3>The old day. So excited that book.

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<v Speaker 1>Has has so got me written all over how to

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<v Speaker 1>get that book into me as quickly as possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine pitching that book and then just being

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<v Speaker 2>like his seven million what's a good good idea?

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<v Speaker 1>The way he's brought the d I know, so out

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<v Speaker 1>loud as, we can all read that together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm sure, I don't know if it's out or

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<v Speaker 3>coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>Or already I think the books.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on my TBR list, as they say. Anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 3>it out loud as.

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