1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,305 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,585 --> 00:00:22,105 Speaker 3: Makeup is My Therapy. 5 00:00:22,305 --> 00:00:25,305 Speaker 2: I'm in love, I'm obsessed and I don't even feel 6 00:00:25,345 --> 00:00:26,065 Speaker 2: guilty about it. 7 00:00:29,465 --> 00:00:32,785 Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, and welcome to you beauty. This is the 8 00:00:32,905 --> 00:00:36,505 Speaker 3: daily podcast for your Face. I'm Kelly McCarran and welcome 9 00:00:36,545 --> 00:00:37,585 Speaker 3: to the formula. 10 00:00:37,745 --> 00:00:41,945 Speaker 1: Guess what. I have a friend today, Thank heavens. 11 00:00:41,545 --> 00:00:43,905 Speaker 3: Because, in case you missed it, last week it was 12 00:00:44,025 --> 00:00:47,105 Speaker 3: just me. But every week I try to sit down 13 00:00:47,105 --> 00:00:49,505 Speaker 3: with celebs and some of the biggest names in beauty 14 00:00:49,585 --> 00:00:52,665 Speaker 3: and just get a real look into their beauty routine, 15 00:00:52,705 --> 00:00:56,665 Speaker 3: what products they're using and why what they're loving. Gets 16 00:00:56,705 --> 00:00:59,345 Speaker 3: to the nitty gritty of all things make up and skincare. 17 00:00:59,825 --> 00:01:03,625 Speaker 3: Today I am joined by a true beauty industry veteran 18 00:01:03,825 --> 00:01:06,785 Speaker 3: with over twenty five years of experience across the UK 19 00:01:06,825 --> 00:01:10,745 Speaker 3: and Australia. I'm talking about their dudibly clever ip Some 20 00:01:10,865 --> 00:01:13,905 Speaker 3: skincare founder Janet Hayward, who happens to be a very 21 00:01:13,905 --> 00:01:16,945 Speaker 3: dear friend of mine. Janet's journey began as a beauty 22 00:01:17,025 --> 00:01:20,865 Speaker 3: journalist and author penning multiple books, including one about natural 23 00:01:20,865 --> 00:01:22,585 Speaker 3: and organic skincare approaches. 24 00:01:22,865 --> 00:01:24,025 Speaker 1: Throughout her career, she. 25 00:01:24,025 --> 00:01:32,305 Speaker 3: Has interviewed countless experts, green cosmetic chemists, dermatologists, aromatherapists and botanists, 26 00:01:32,585 --> 00:01:36,145 Speaker 3: gathering their invaluable insights along the way. This wealth of 27 00:01:36,225 --> 00:01:38,745 Speaker 3: knowledge led Janet to create Ipsum, a skincare and spa 28 00:01:38,865 --> 00:01:42,305 Speaker 3: wellness range that harnesses the unique power of Australian native 29 00:01:42,345 --> 00:01:43,305 Speaker 3: bush botanicals. 30 00:01:43,545 --> 00:01:45,145 Speaker 1: Her approach focuses. 31 00:01:44,665 --> 00:01:48,025 Speaker 3: On restoring balance and rejuvenating not just the skin, but 32 00:01:48,105 --> 00:01:53,625 Speaker 3: also the mind and spirit through bioavailable effective formulations. We 33 00:01:53,745 --> 00:01:56,265 Speaker 3: are thrilled to have Janet back with us today. She 34 00:01:56,385 --> 00:01:58,425 Speaker 3: was actually on the show back in the day in 35 00:01:58,465 --> 00:02:00,825 Speaker 3: COVID times, those times that we don't like to talk about. 36 00:02:01,225 --> 00:02:02,945 Speaker 3: We tried to get a photo together, we had to 37 00:02:03,065 --> 00:02:06,825 Speaker 3: stand apart and she shared her expertise and passion back 38 00:02:06,865 --> 00:02:08,225 Speaker 3: then and she is back. 39 00:02:08,265 --> 00:02:09,625 Speaker 1: So I'm very excited. Welcome Jack. 40 00:02:10,425 --> 00:02:12,345 Speaker 2: You are such beautiful skill. 41 00:02:12,505 --> 00:02:13,985 Speaker 1: But how. 42 00:02:16,305 --> 00:02:20,025 Speaker 3: My dear friend. I was just telling our producer Molly 43 00:02:20,145 --> 00:02:22,825 Speaker 3: off Air. I was like, Oh, Janet is just so humble. 44 00:02:23,185 --> 00:02:25,225 Speaker 3: There was one moment during COVID where I opened up 45 00:02:25,265 --> 00:02:28,385 Speaker 3: my phone and Kim Karashian had just like randomly posted 46 00:02:28,425 --> 00:02:30,865 Speaker 3: Janet's lip farm that you could see because of the logo, 47 00:02:30,905 --> 00:02:33,145 Speaker 3: and you were like, oh, I suppose that's good, isn't it? 48 00:02:33,185 --> 00:02:37,905 Speaker 2: And I was like, yes, I actually love the impression. 49 00:02:39,625 --> 00:02:39,985 Speaker 1: I know. 50 00:02:40,225 --> 00:02:42,425 Speaker 3: But you do have just such a beautiful accent, and 51 00:02:42,465 --> 00:02:45,105 Speaker 3: you're so like lovely the way that you speak, so 52 00:02:45,545 --> 00:02:50,345 Speaker 3: you so lovely Cairl. Well, Janet, what is your aha 53 00:02:50,745 --> 00:02:53,065 Speaker 3: moment in your skin Curt Journey? Was there a particular 54 00:02:53,185 --> 00:02:57,465 Speaker 3: experience that sparked your passion for botanical ingredients? Because you 55 00:02:57,505 --> 00:03:00,465 Speaker 3: have had a very long career in beauty, you wouldn't 56 00:03:00,465 --> 00:03:02,425 Speaker 3: know it looking at you. 57 00:03:01,665 --> 00:03:09,185 Speaker 2: Oh, very I know. I suppose my aha moment actually 58 00:03:09,385 --> 00:03:11,545 Speaker 2: was a long long time ago when I was probably 59 00:03:11,585 --> 00:03:16,225 Speaker 2: about fourteen, And yeah, I know that long that long ago, 60 00:03:16,785 --> 00:03:21,305 Speaker 2: that is a long time ago. And I had really 61 00:03:21,345 --> 00:03:23,505 Speaker 2: really dry skin. I grew up in England, you can 62 00:03:23,545 --> 00:03:27,585 Speaker 2: tell from my voice, but I really but I'm fully 63 00:03:27,585 --> 00:03:30,145 Speaker 2: fledged Aussie and I have been for a very long time. 64 00:03:30,385 --> 00:03:33,425 Speaker 2: I've been here for almost thirty years, which amazing. But anyway, 65 00:03:33,465 --> 00:03:35,505 Speaker 2: I have very dry skin. As I was growing up 66 00:03:36,105 --> 00:03:39,025 Speaker 2: and walked into the body shop one day, our lovely 67 00:03:39,025 --> 00:03:41,425 Speaker 2: old body shop that we always had those lovely form 68 00:03:41,505 --> 00:03:45,265 Speaker 2: memories of, and I just happened to ask the assistant 69 00:03:45,265 --> 00:03:47,425 Speaker 2: in there, could I use wheat jump oil on my 70 00:03:47,505 --> 00:03:49,465 Speaker 2: face because my face felt dry? And it was so 71 00:03:49,545 --> 00:03:51,385 Speaker 2: funny because at the time she went, oh, I don't 72 00:03:51,425 --> 00:03:54,785 Speaker 2: really know, so she didn't at lea she didn't just 73 00:03:54,945 --> 00:03:56,505 Speaker 2: say no, or at least she didn't go yes. And 74 00:03:56,545 --> 00:03:59,185 Speaker 2: then something we had a reaction anyway, it started using 75 00:03:59,265 --> 00:04:03,225 Speaker 2: that and noticed just that my skin felt really comfortable. 76 00:04:03,225 --> 00:04:05,305 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it, you know, I don't. I don't remember. 77 00:04:05,345 --> 00:04:07,465 Speaker 2: I'm in fourteen, you know, I wouldn't have noticed any 78 00:04:07,545 --> 00:04:09,985 Speaker 2: difference or anything, but just the fact that my skin 79 00:04:10,105 --> 00:04:12,065 Speaker 2: suddenly felt really comfortable, and I thought, oh, I think 80 00:04:12,105 --> 00:04:15,785 Speaker 2: I've discovered what I need to use. And that was 81 00:04:15,825 --> 00:04:19,105 Speaker 2: it that sparked the love, sparked the absolute love for 82 00:04:19,785 --> 00:04:22,385 Speaker 2: using oils and particularly plant oils. 83 00:04:23,385 --> 00:04:26,665 Speaker 3: So does that tie in with the story behind your 84 00:04:26,665 --> 00:04:30,865 Speaker 3: brand's creation, like with your previous work in the beauty industry, 85 00:04:30,905 --> 00:04:34,185 Speaker 3: which is a long career, did you always want to 86 00:04:34,185 --> 00:04:38,665 Speaker 3: start your own brand and formulate your own products? Absolutely not, Yeah, 87 00:04:38,785 --> 00:04:41,505 Speaker 3: I reckon, even like feen years ago, I would have 88 00:04:41,545 --> 00:04:43,265 Speaker 3: said no, she's going to do that. 89 00:04:43,465 --> 00:04:46,305 Speaker 2: I know, And I have to say, the whole time 90 00:04:46,465 --> 00:04:48,745 Speaker 2: I've worked in beauty, you always think, gosh, what makes 91 00:04:48,785 --> 00:04:52,945 Speaker 2: people start a beauty brand? There are so many beauty 92 00:04:52,945 --> 00:04:56,705 Speaker 2: brands around and so obviously you are filled with doubt 93 00:04:56,745 --> 00:04:58,505 Speaker 2: as well, because I thought people are going to look 94 00:04:58,505 --> 00:05:00,785 Speaker 2: at me and go, what do you know about formulating? 95 00:05:00,865 --> 00:05:04,065 Speaker 2: What do you know about making a product? And I'm 96 00:05:04,065 --> 00:05:06,945 Speaker 2: not a formulator, but I do know the ingredients that 97 00:05:07,025 --> 00:05:09,105 Speaker 2: I want to go into a product. So I work 98 00:05:09,225 --> 00:05:12,505 Speaker 2: very close with a formulator. And because we have Cosmos 99 00:05:12,585 --> 00:05:16,745 Speaker 2: Organic certification, we have to fulfill many many or comply 100 00:05:16,865 --> 00:05:21,745 Speaker 2: with many many regulations. So the products are formulated to 101 00:05:21,785 --> 00:05:23,585 Speaker 2: do what we want them to do. 102 00:05:23,745 --> 00:05:25,585 Speaker 1: Yeah, and do what they say exactly. 103 00:05:26,105 --> 00:05:29,425 Speaker 3: So with Australian botanicals, I think you were quite an 104 00:05:29,425 --> 00:05:33,145 Speaker 3: early adopter in using them in products because all of 105 00:05:33,185 --> 00:05:35,585 Speaker 3: a sudden though they do seem to be having more 106 00:05:35,625 --> 00:05:38,425 Speaker 3: of a moment. What do you think makes the native 107 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:43,225 Speaker 3: plants we have so special? And how do they work 108 00:05:43,305 --> 00:05:44,665 Speaker 3: their magic on our skin? 109 00:05:45,105 --> 00:05:48,505 Speaker 2: Yeah? You're right. Actually, when I arrived here, I think 110 00:05:48,625 --> 00:05:52,185 Speaker 2: because I came here from you know, as a migrant, 111 00:05:52,225 --> 00:05:57,305 Speaker 2: So I arrived and was suddenly seeing these lovely ingredients. 112 00:05:57,305 --> 00:06:00,185 Speaker 2: There were some brands around when I first arrived, but 113 00:06:00,305 --> 00:06:02,305 Speaker 2: not very many. And if you think about it, you know, 114 00:06:02,305 --> 00:06:05,505 Speaker 2: Australia is such an isolated continent. I mean we're massive, 115 00:06:05,545 --> 00:06:07,745 Speaker 2: but we're so isolated from the rest of the world. 116 00:06:08,025 --> 00:06:12,745 Speaker 2: Our products have evolved uniquely to cope with the climate 117 00:06:12,785 --> 00:06:15,785 Speaker 2: that we have here. But also the potency level of 118 00:06:15,905 --> 00:06:20,545 Speaker 2: Australian native botanicals is exceptional. It's really high in antioxidants, 119 00:06:20,585 --> 00:06:23,545 Speaker 2: really high in anti inflammatories, which are of course perfect 120 00:06:23,545 --> 00:06:27,105 Speaker 2: for our skin and mainly because they have to survive themselves. 121 00:06:27,105 --> 00:06:30,545 Speaker 2: And it makes sense. Stances no water sometimes for ages 122 00:06:30,745 --> 00:06:31,865 Speaker 2: absolutely so. 123 00:06:32,025 --> 00:06:34,905 Speaker 1: Dry and arid. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. 124 00:06:35,705 --> 00:06:38,905 Speaker 3: Well, how do you discover all of these plants that 125 00:06:38,945 --> 00:06:40,745 Speaker 3: you're using in your products? Like, do you have a 126 00:06:40,825 --> 00:06:44,465 Speaker 3: favorite story about how you discovered an amazing ingredient for 127 00:06:44,505 --> 00:06:45,145 Speaker 3: your range? 128 00:06:45,225 --> 00:06:48,665 Speaker 1: Like I'm just imagining you hunting through the bush. 129 00:06:49,745 --> 00:06:52,425 Speaker 2: I'm actually a bit of a nerd about learning about 130 00:06:52,465 --> 00:06:55,425 Speaker 2: plants and ingredients. I mean, I do love plants, but 131 00:06:55,625 --> 00:06:58,145 Speaker 2: one of the plants that was very exciting for me 132 00:06:58,305 --> 00:07:01,065 Speaker 2: was Fragonia because that was only all the method of 133 00:07:01,105 --> 00:07:04,625 Speaker 2: extraction of the oil from Fragonia was only kind of 134 00:07:04,665 --> 00:07:09,385 Speaker 2: successful in twenty eighteen, so wow, really recent. And I 135 00:07:09,465 --> 00:07:13,305 Speaker 2: love this plant because not only topically is it very 136 00:07:13,345 --> 00:07:16,385 Speaker 2: soothing and calming, still very rich in naturally rich and 137 00:07:16,385 --> 00:07:20,025 Speaker 2: antibacterial and anti viral properties, which most Australian natives are, 138 00:07:20,025 --> 00:07:23,625 Speaker 2: which again is great, but with Fragonia it works topically 139 00:07:23,705 --> 00:07:25,065 Speaker 2: to calm and soothe. 140 00:07:25,425 --> 00:07:29,105 Speaker 3: So I'm curious, can you talk about your books that 141 00:07:29,505 --> 00:07:31,785 Speaker 3: I didn't know that you'd written for a very long time. 142 00:07:31,945 --> 00:07:35,665 Speaker 3: Organic beauty has been really influential, So how has your 143 00:07:35,665 --> 00:07:38,945 Speaker 3: own skin care philosophy changed since you first stayed writing 144 00:07:38,985 --> 00:07:39,625 Speaker 3: about beauty? 145 00:07:39,705 --> 00:07:43,505 Speaker 2: Okay, my philosophy on skin care is I've always actually 146 00:07:43,545 --> 00:07:47,105 Speaker 2: been a little bit less small person because time. 147 00:07:47,105 --> 00:07:49,105 Speaker 1: Kelly, you don't need to match on your face. 148 00:07:49,425 --> 00:07:52,665 Speaker 2: Look, when I'm formulating or working with the formulator, I 149 00:07:52,665 --> 00:07:55,345 Speaker 2: should say for my products, I like them to be 150 00:07:55,425 --> 00:07:58,545 Speaker 2: multitasking because you no one wants to carry a load 151 00:07:58,585 --> 00:08:00,665 Speaker 2: of things away you know, around with them all the time, 152 00:08:00,745 --> 00:08:02,345 Speaker 2: or at least when you go on holiday, you don't, 153 00:08:02,905 --> 00:08:07,825 Speaker 2: and also hopefully perform multi functions for your skin. So 154 00:08:08,265 --> 00:08:10,385 Speaker 2: to that point, I'm never going to be a fan 155 00:08:10,625 --> 00:08:15,385 Speaker 2: of skincare that needs six layers or ten layers, so 156 00:08:15,585 --> 00:08:17,705 Speaker 2: less is more is something that I always like. And 157 00:08:17,745 --> 00:08:20,825 Speaker 2: so I've just launched a moisturizer, which I've. 158 00:08:20,745 --> 00:08:21,545 Speaker 1: Tried it on my hands. 159 00:08:22,465 --> 00:08:24,665 Speaker 2: Do you like it? Oh? Thank you? 160 00:08:24,745 --> 00:08:25,225 Speaker 1: So? 161 00:08:25,385 --> 00:08:25,945 Speaker 2: Do you like it? 162 00:08:26,145 --> 00:08:26,625 Speaker 1: Is surprised. 163 00:08:26,625 --> 00:08:29,025 Speaker 2: It's a nice math finish, so you can wear makeup 164 00:08:29,025 --> 00:08:31,025 Speaker 2: on top of it and things. So, but the reason 165 00:08:31,065 --> 00:08:34,225 Speaker 2: I created that is I'm a massive fan of moisturizers. 166 00:08:34,225 --> 00:08:36,945 Speaker 2: But when I was creating oils and I looked at 167 00:08:36,985 --> 00:08:39,785 Speaker 2: the different molecular structure of oils, and I've got three 168 00:08:39,825 --> 00:08:42,305 Speaker 2: oils in my range, and they all have different molecular 169 00:08:42,305 --> 00:08:45,425 Speaker 2: structures because they all do different things. And there's one 170 00:08:45,425 --> 00:08:48,705 Speaker 2: particular oil, the nourishing one, which is very soothing and calming, 171 00:08:48,785 --> 00:08:51,985 Speaker 2: and the molecular structure of that is a bit larger 172 00:08:52,025 --> 00:08:54,345 Speaker 2: than the other oils. So that kind of almost took 173 00:08:54,345 --> 00:08:56,785 Speaker 2: the place of a moisturizer. I mean moisturizers, as we 174 00:08:56,825 --> 00:08:59,585 Speaker 2: all know, they really exist to Yes, they do deliver 175 00:08:59,705 --> 00:09:03,105 Speaker 2: some ingredients into your skin, but they basically help you 176 00:09:03,225 --> 00:09:06,505 Speaker 2: avoid losing moisture from your skin, and we need to 177 00:09:06,585 --> 00:09:10,825 Speaker 2: keep everything. They lock everything in and that's really and 178 00:09:10,905 --> 00:09:12,545 Speaker 2: because I have this oil, I thought, oh, I don't 179 00:09:12,545 --> 00:09:14,985 Speaker 2: really need to moisturizer in my range. So anyway, I 180 00:09:14,985 --> 00:09:17,545 Speaker 2: did create it, and I'm really glad because now I 181 00:09:17,625 --> 00:09:20,345 Speaker 2: use it all the time, particularly you know in the winter, 182 00:09:20,385 --> 00:09:23,785 Speaker 2: if it's really cold, I'll put a oil underneath it 183 00:09:23,905 --> 00:09:25,145 Speaker 2: and then put that on top. 184 00:09:25,345 --> 00:09:28,185 Speaker 3: That actually leads perfectly into my next question, because I'm 185 00:09:28,265 --> 00:09:30,425 Speaker 3: sitting across from you, and I mean, as always, as 186 00:09:30,505 --> 00:09:34,105 Speaker 3: long as I've known you, you've always had such beautiful skin. 187 00:09:34,305 --> 00:09:38,985 Speaker 3: It is just your nice, clear and healthy and glowy, 188 00:09:39,145 --> 00:09:41,905 Speaker 3: and there's nothing artificial looking about it, which is my 189 00:09:42,105 --> 00:09:45,465 Speaker 3: nice way of saying it moves as well. Yeah, and 190 00:09:45,545 --> 00:09:47,665 Speaker 3: I mean I say that I say that as someone 191 00:09:47,705 --> 00:09:48,985 Speaker 3: whose face sometimes. 192 00:09:48,585 --> 00:09:50,865 Speaker 2: Doesn't Oh, gorgeous, Thank you. 193 00:09:51,025 --> 00:09:52,985 Speaker 1: Can you talk us through your routine? 194 00:09:53,385 --> 00:10:03,825 Speaker 2: Yeah, my favorite. I'd like to think it's a routine, 195 00:10:03,825 --> 00:10:05,225 Speaker 2: but it's. 196 00:10:04,585 --> 00:10:06,545 Speaker 1: Probably a mishmash likesh. 197 00:10:06,705 --> 00:10:09,985 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Because I don't spend a lot of time. 198 00:10:10,145 --> 00:10:13,305 Speaker 2: I avidly read the you Beauty Facebook group. I'm part 199 00:10:13,345 --> 00:10:15,465 Speaker 2: of that, and I know that a lot of people 200 00:10:15,585 --> 00:10:17,505 Speaker 2: on there always say, oh, I don't want to hear 201 00:10:17,505 --> 00:10:19,945 Speaker 2: about people who've got good skin. Because my skin's not 202 00:10:20,025 --> 00:10:21,665 Speaker 2: good and I want to know how to have a 203 00:10:21,705 --> 00:10:25,105 Speaker 2: good skin. Get the group's support because that's so important 204 00:10:25,145 --> 00:10:27,625 Speaker 2: and you know, women are fab but doing that, That's 205 00:10:27,625 --> 00:10:30,705 Speaker 2: what I love about the you Beauty Facebook forum. It's 206 00:10:30,705 --> 00:10:34,545 Speaker 2: so encouraging and so supportive. But what I would say 207 00:10:34,785 --> 00:10:38,625 Speaker 2: is that if someone has got decent skin, and it's 208 00:10:38,665 --> 00:10:40,225 Speaker 2: lovely for you to say that to me, because your 209 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:41,185 Speaker 2: skin's fab as well. 210 00:10:41,225 --> 00:10:43,145 Speaker 1: It is looking they're popping off at the moment, I 211 00:10:43,145 --> 00:10:43,705 Speaker 1: will say that. 212 00:10:43,785 --> 00:10:46,985 Speaker 2: But if you have got nice skin, then isn't it 213 00:10:47,065 --> 00:10:51,025 Speaker 2: nice to listen to how they've managed to get there 214 00:10:51,105 --> 00:10:53,905 Speaker 2: Because we're all born with nice skin, you know, when 215 00:10:53,945 --> 00:10:55,985 Speaker 2: we're babies, and then you know, we trush it a 216 00:10:55,985 --> 00:10:57,665 Speaker 2: bit by being in the sun. Me lying on a 217 00:10:57,745 --> 00:11:00,025 Speaker 2: rock in grease for two weeks no sunscreen when I 218 00:11:00,065 --> 00:11:03,185 Speaker 2: was younger. Ah, I'm going to admit that, learn my lesson. 219 00:11:03,585 --> 00:11:05,985 Speaker 2: But we're all born with nice skin. So it's just 220 00:11:06,065 --> 00:11:09,185 Speaker 2: really how you look after it. And my way of 221 00:11:09,225 --> 00:11:12,585 Speaker 2: looking after it is not putting tons of products on there. 222 00:11:12,625 --> 00:11:14,665 Speaker 2: But I going back to the story I said about 223 00:11:14,665 --> 00:11:16,945 Speaker 2: going into the body shop, is just if my skin 224 00:11:16,985 --> 00:11:19,465 Speaker 2: doesn't feel nice at the time, I'll try and find 225 00:11:19,465 --> 00:11:21,865 Speaker 2: something that makes it work. And that's why the faun's greats. 226 00:11:21,945 --> 00:11:24,385 Speaker 2: You can ask people what have you tried or whatever 227 00:11:24,465 --> 00:11:26,385 Speaker 2: and get some advice. But I have to say, and 228 00:11:26,425 --> 00:11:28,705 Speaker 2: this is going to sound ultra boring, but it is 229 00:11:29,065 --> 00:11:31,785 Speaker 2: what you eat as well. I mean, you know, you 230 00:11:31,865 --> 00:11:35,305 Speaker 2: are what you eat. And one of the things I 231 00:11:35,385 --> 00:11:37,905 Speaker 2: really lament, not getting political at all, but they don't 232 00:11:37,945 --> 00:11:42,465 Speaker 2: teach nutrition or even cookery in schools, I don't think anymore. 233 00:11:42,545 --> 00:11:44,745 Speaker 2: And I think that's such a shame. 234 00:11:44,585 --> 00:11:46,145 Speaker 1: Because they do in some countries. 235 00:11:46,465 --> 00:11:50,305 Speaker 3: Their rates of health related disease are a lot lower. 236 00:11:51,905 --> 00:11:54,025 Speaker 2: Actually, I know because I've seen all those lovely memes 237 00:11:54,025 --> 00:11:58,105 Speaker 2: of Japanese packing their own lunch boxes, bless them, and 238 00:11:58,105 --> 00:12:00,625 Speaker 2: they have blouberries and I know it's. 239 00:12:00,945 --> 00:12:03,425 Speaker 1: A pree year old. Oh he would pack strawberries but 240 00:12:03,465 --> 00:12:04,905 Speaker 1: then it crackets. 241 00:12:05,025 --> 00:12:07,505 Speaker 2: Yeah, my son definitely wouldn't. He'd have been going for 242 00:12:07,545 --> 00:12:10,305 Speaker 2: the physical. You know, there's like sour gummy things that 243 00:12:10,305 --> 00:12:12,385 Speaker 2: would have gone in there all the time. So I 244 00:12:12,385 --> 00:12:14,265 Speaker 2: don't want to sound holy than now because I'm not. 245 00:12:14,385 --> 00:12:15,945 Speaker 2: As you know me, Kelly, You've known me for a 246 00:12:15,985 --> 00:12:17,665 Speaker 2: long time, and I'm not holy than now. I love 247 00:12:17,705 --> 00:12:20,905 Speaker 2: red wine, and I love coffee, and I love chocolate. 248 00:12:21,225 --> 00:12:24,145 Speaker 2: You know, those three are my mega down falls, and 249 00:12:24,225 --> 00:12:25,785 Speaker 2: I actually have all of them. 250 00:12:27,185 --> 00:12:30,305 Speaker 3: Because you've got to enjoy your life and enjoy things. 251 00:12:30,345 --> 00:12:31,865 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yes. 252 00:12:31,745 --> 00:12:35,425 Speaker 2: You do, within reason, within reason, but it's kind of 253 00:12:35,505 --> 00:12:39,345 Speaker 2: you know, just eating vegetables and you know, and drink 254 00:12:39,385 --> 00:12:43,705 Speaker 2: some water. Drink water is really important. And when you're 255 00:12:43,705 --> 00:12:46,105 Speaker 2: feeling a bit rotten, look at your diet as well, 256 00:12:46,105 --> 00:12:48,385 Speaker 2: because you might have an allergy to something and you 257 00:12:48,385 --> 00:12:52,345 Speaker 2: don't know or if something persists in your skin. Some 258 00:12:52,465 --> 00:12:55,545 Speaker 2: local doctors are fantastic at being able to give that advice. 259 00:12:55,825 --> 00:12:58,225 Speaker 2: Then I'm not convinced that putting lots and lots and 260 00:12:58,265 --> 00:13:00,425 Speaker 2: lots of products on different types of products on your 261 00:13:00,425 --> 00:13:02,385 Speaker 2: face of things. 262 00:13:02,585 --> 00:13:05,345 Speaker 3: Like over the past few weeks, actually, I've heard from 263 00:13:05,465 --> 00:13:08,505 Speaker 3: a lot of people the same, Like everyone really people 264 00:13:08,545 --> 00:13:11,585 Speaker 3: are once again talking more about their gut health and 265 00:13:11,905 --> 00:13:14,825 Speaker 3: eating different foods. For a while, it was like, no, no, 266 00:13:14,865 --> 00:13:17,865 Speaker 3: it's just about what you're putting on your skin. But 267 00:13:18,705 --> 00:13:21,145 Speaker 3: you're right, like, no one that lives a really unhealthy 268 00:13:21,185 --> 00:13:24,505 Speaker 3: lifestyle is walking around with the world's best skin. 269 00:13:24,905 --> 00:13:27,865 Speaker 2: No exactly, because it's shure your skin is like your barometer. 270 00:13:27,905 --> 00:13:29,425 Speaker 2: It's like your eyes as well. You know, like if 271 00:13:29,465 --> 00:13:31,225 Speaker 2: you you know, if you've had a rough night, there's 272 00:13:31,265 --> 00:13:34,025 Speaker 2: a reason why your eyes eyes, and yeah, in the morning, 273 00:13:34,425 --> 00:13:37,425 Speaker 2: it's kind of the outward show of what's going on inside. 274 00:13:37,505 --> 00:13:41,465 Speaker 2: So generally speaking, you know, if you have outbreaks, whether 275 00:13:41,505 --> 00:13:44,465 Speaker 2: you get an ex marash or whether it's acne, it's 276 00:13:44,585 --> 00:13:46,905 Speaker 2: generally something going on in your body. And some things 277 00:13:46,945 --> 00:13:49,345 Speaker 2: you can't do. You know, you can't help light hormonal, 278 00:13:49,465 --> 00:13:53,865 Speaker 2: like particularly with menopause as well, like they really over with. 279 00:13:53,865 --> 00:13:58,065 Speaker 2: Your teenager is going off or on the pill, get 280 00:13:58,105 --> 00:14:00,265 Speaker 2: slammed with it again and again. This is where it 281 00:14:00,305 --> 00:14:03,465 Speaker 2: comes down to being aware of guts health because I'm 282 00:14:03,505 --> 00:14:06,185 Speaker 2: not saying that everything that you eat is going to 283 00:14:06,225 --> 00:14:09,185 Speaker 2: help rebalance everything, but you can do a lot to 284 00:14:09,185 --> 00:14:13,145 Speaker 2: help reinancial systems so the symptoms don't become as bad 285 00:14:13,385 --> 00:14:16,785 Speaker 2: as they are. There's so much being written about wellness 286 00:14:16,785 --> 00:14:20,145 Speaker 2: and longevity at the moment, and I'm personally fascinating that 287 00:14:20,145 --> 00:14:24,105 Speaker 2: because obviously I'm obviously older, and you know, you do 288 00:14:24,185 --> 00:14:26,985 Speaker 2: need to think we are all living older now just 289 00:14:27,025 --> 00:14:29,745 Speaker 2: because we've got modern medicine and so you know, people 290 00:14:29,865 --> 00:14:31,905 Speaker 2: used to die when they were sixty and that was it. 291 00:14:32,185 --> 00:14:35,385 Speaker 2: You know, now we are all living longer, and longevity 292 00:14:35,425 --> 00:14:38,025 Speaker 2: is about living longer in a healthy way. It's not 293 00:14:38,105 --> 00:14:40,185 Speaker 2: about hacking life so that you're going to live to 294 00:14:40,225 --> 00:14:41,065 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty. 295 00:14:41,345 --> 00:14:43,465 Speaker 3: One wants to do that. Well, Brian Johnson does, but 296 00:14:43,505 --> 00:14:44,545 Speaker 3: other people don't want. 297 00:14:44,425 --> 00:14:46,665 Speaker 2: To, and that is weird. Actually, it's just. 298 00:14:46,625 --> 00:14:50,585 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you can have your red wine and also broccoli. 299 00:14:50,785 --> 00:14:52,385 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. 300 00:14:52,545 --> 00:14:56,585 Speaker 1: I think that's a really nice approach. It's very holistic 301 00:14:56,665 --> 00:14:57,065 Speaker 1: as well. 302 00:15:02,185 --> 00:15:05,305 Speaker 3: To finish off every episode, we ask what is one 303 00:15:05,385 --> 00:15:09,185 Speaker 3: skincare technique or ingredient you absolutely love and think that 304 00:15:09,265 --> 00:15:11,865 Speaker 3: everyone would be using or recommend. And on the flip side, 305 00:15:11,985 --> 00:15:15,145 Speaker 3: what is one skincare trend or ingredient that you think 306 00:15:15,225 --> 00:15:17,185 Speaker 3: is absolutely not worth it? 307 00:15:17,225 --> 00:15:19,425 Speaker 2: Actually, it really is a difficult one. 308 00:15:19,545 --> 00:15:20,225 Speaker 1: I can help you. 309 00:15:20,505 --> 00:15:23,305 Speaker 3: I think that you would say something that isn't worth 310 00:15:23,385 --> 00:15:26,665 Speaker 3: it is a really extensive, big skincare routine. 311 00:15:26,905 --> 00:15:28,105 Speaker 2: Perfect, that's what. 312 00:15:28,025 --> 00:15:28,505 Speaker 1: You would say. 313 00:15:28,545 --> 00:15:30,625 Speaker 2: Correct it is. And you know the other thing I'm 314 00:15:30,625 --> 00:15:33,665 Speaker 2: going to add because it's part of that. I love 315 00:15:34,105 --> 00:15:38,465 Speaker 2: facials that use hands. I like to feel hands massaging me. 316 00:15:38,705 --> 00:15:41,905 Speaker 2: There's nothing not a fan of. I'm not a fan 317 00:15:41,985 --> 00:15:43,865 Speaker 2: of something hard on my face. 318 00:15:44,185 --> 00:15:44,745 Speaker 1: It's enough. 319 00:15:44,825 --> 00:15:47,425 Speaker 2: Isn't that weird though, because everyone else loves it. I 320 00:15:47,465 --> 00:15:49,505 Speaker 2: want to love it, but you don't. I just don't 321 00:15:49,585 --> 00:15:53,705 Speaker 2: like the sensation something hard on my face. But hands massaging, yeah, 322 00:15:53,705 --> 00:15:54,465 Speaker 2: I just think it's. 323 00:15:54,305 --> 00:15:55,945 Speaker 1: Such a equal massage. 324 00:15:56,065 --> 00:16:00,985 Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, they literally find things that you didn't even 325 00:16:01,025 --> 00:16:04,745 Speaker 2: know a problem. But that's the point where. 326 00:16:04,545 --> 00:16:07,505 Speaker 3: They get rid of salt retention or flawied retention that 327 00:16:07,545 --> 00:16:09,305 Speaker 3: you didn't know that you had in your drolls. 328 00:16:09,345 --> 00:16:11,425 Speaker 2: It's incredible, It's really incredible. 329 00:16:11,585 --> 00:16:14,345 Speaker 3: So what would you say? You would recommend to everyone 330 00:16:14,865 --> 00:16:15,505 Speaker 3: spend a bit. 331 00:16:15,425 --> 00:16:19,305 Speaker 2: Of time at home in the evening because we're all 332 00:16:19,345 --> 00:16:21,945 Speaker 2: stressed and we all don't really have lots of time 333 00:16:21,985 --> 00:16:25,545 Speaker 2: to do things. But you know, when children are in bed, 334 00:16:25,745 --> 00:16:28,425 Speaker 2: or when you're ready to go, I would say, just 335 00:16:28,505 --> 00:16:30,825 Speaker 2: allow yourself a little bit of time when you go 336 00:16:30,865 --> 00:16:34,225 Speaker 2: into the bathroom to you know, you brush your teeth. Really, 337 00:16:34,425 --> 00:16:37,465 Speaker 2: actually stop and think when you're cleansing your face, just 338 00:16:37,945 --> 00:16:39,705 Speaker 2: even if it's only for a minute, but just be 339 00:16:39,745 --> 00:16:42,785 Speaker 2: aware of your own fingers massage in your face and 340 00:16:43,425 --> 00:16:46,545 Speaker 2: then the feel of the lovely warm water washing it away. 341 00:16:46,945 --> 00:16:49,785 Speaker 2: That's literally what I do when I'm really stressed. I 342 00:16:49,825 --> 00:16:52,385 Speaker 2: do get stressed very easily, and which. 343 00:16:52,225 --> 00:16:54,745 Speaker 1: You would never know if you knew you. 344 00:16:54,785 --> 00:16:56,945 Speaker 2: No, really, do you think I I hit that? Well, 345 00:16:56,985 --> 00:16:58,185 Speaker 2: then you really hide it. 346 00:16:58,265 --> 00:17:00,225 Speaker 1: You are very I like that. 347 00:17:00,265 --> 00:17:01,825 Speaker 2: Duck that's going like this underwater and. 348 00:17:01,785 --> 00:17:03,105 Speaker 1: Then gliding on the top. 349 00:17:03,385 --> 00:17:05,145 Speaker 2: But I never feel like I'm like that. Thank you. 350 00:17:06,185 --> 00:17:08,185 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen you outwardly stress. 351 00:17:08,265 --> 00:17:11,545 Speaker 2: You're kidding me. That's nice to hear. Actually, I'm obviously 352 00:17:11,625 --> 00:17:14,905 Speaker 2: disguising it well. But if I'm stressed at home, and 353 00:17:14,945 --> 00:17:16,545 Speaker 2: I am, because when you've got a brand, yres so 354 00:17:16,585 --> 00:17:18,705 Speaker 2: many things that can go wrong. You know, packaging's not 355 00:17:18,785 --> 00:17:21,945 Speaker 2: right or something. You know, something's being delayed and blah 356 00:17:21,945 --> 00:17:25,265 Speaker 2: blah blah. But that's literally the way I relax. And 357 00:17:25,305 --> 00:17:27,865 Speaker 2: it's literally two minutes when I'm in a bathroom, but 358 00:17:27,985 --> 00:17:30,945 Speaker 2: I just suddenly it's that whole thing. I'll use the 359 00:17:31,025 --> 00:17:34,305 Speaker 2: term mindfulness, even though it sounds a little bit it's 360 00:17:34,385 --> 00:17:38,025 Speaker 2: your word's focus, but it is that idea of being 361 00:17:38,065 --> 00:17:40,425 Speaker 2: aware of standing on your two feet, which doing yoga, 362 00:17:40,505 --> 00:17:43,185 Speaker 2: don't you you asked to think about that and standing 363 00:17:43,185 --> 00:17:47,785 Speaker 2: on your feet. I feel the you've done, but feeling 364 00:17:47,865 --> 00:17:49,945 Speaker 2: the ground on your feet, the soles of your feet 365 00:17:50,185 --> 00:17:52,705 Speaker 2: is remarkable because we don't do it like your bare 366 00:17:52,745 --> 00:17:55,385 Speaker 2: feet feet on the ground, and then just feeling that 367 00:17:55,505 --> 00:17:58,585 Speaker 2: sensation of your own hands massaging and warm water is 368 00:17:58,745 --> 00:18:00,945 Speaker 2: actually really lovely and plus you end up getting a 369 00:18:00,985 --> 00:18:05,305 Speaker 2: lovely clean case at the end of it. Always, always, 370 00:18:05,425 --> 00:18:08,265 Speaker 2: always cleanse your face at nighttime, even if you've been 371 00:18:08,545 --> 00:18:11,905 Speaker 2: out and it's you know, three in the morning and 372 00:18:12,145 --> 00:18:14,345 Speaker 2: you just want to go into bed. Please just clean 373 00:18:14,425 --> 00:18:17,265 Speaker 2: cleanse your face, you know, get your bodings. Thank you 374 00:18:17,305 --> 00:18:17,505 Speaker 2: for it. 375 00:18:18,545 --> 00:18:21,385 Speaker 1: I agree, well, Thank you so much, Janet. It has 376 00:18:21,465 --> 00:18:23,265 Speaker 1: been a delight as always. 377 00:18:23,905 --> 00:18:26,385 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. K It's always gorgeous coming here. 378 00:18:27,065 --> 00:18:29,665 Speaker 3: Thank you so much to everyone who has listened today. 379 00:18:29,785 --> 00:18:32,905 Speaker 3: Please make sure you rate and review us. This episode 380 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:35,905 Speaker 3: of You Beauty is produced by Molly Harwood with audio 381 00:18:35,905 --> 00:18:39,385 Speaker 3: production by Tigan Sadler. 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