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Speaker 1: From Mamma Mia, welcome to The Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Tina Burke. And

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Speaker 1: coming up today, two very peculiar men have taken to

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Speaker 1: the stage together. One of them is Timothy Chalamet, one

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Speaker 1: is Matthew McConaughey. They have had some wild stories to

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Speaker 1: like we're gonna get into that. Plus, Hilary Duff off

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Speaker 1: the back of her new album and her world tour announcement,

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Speaker 1: that time she has dropped some very interesting revelations about

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Speaker 1: her husband.

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Speaker 1: The toxic mum group and her relationship with her sister,

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Speaker 1: which we're all gonna get into, there's so much to say,

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Speaker 1: but first, I know there's a piece of casting news

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Speaker 1: this week that has been keeping you up at night.

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Speaker 1: The most exciting thing to happen in 2026 thus far,

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Speaker 1: which is the announcement of,

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Speaker 1: The the first casting announcement for Emily Henry's Beach Read adaptation,

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Speaker 1: which is Phoebe Deniver, who people would obviously know best

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Speaker 1: as Daphne from Bridgerton. I'm so excited about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so Emily Henry might be the author, the current author

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Speaker 1: Because um she's also the author of People We Meet

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Speaker 1: on Vacation, which was a book that you and I

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Speaker 1: and was recently a big Netflix movie. She's written all

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Speaker 1: of our current like kind of favorite big rom-coms that

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Speaker 1: the only cinematic release as well. Oh wow, of course,

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Speaker 1: because the others are all streamers. The others were, there

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Speaker 1: Story was supposed to be a cinematic release, and now

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Speaker 1: the moment, Beach Reat is a feature film cinematic release,

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Speaker 1: much what we have all been begging for, which is

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Speaker 1: like the return of the genuinely good rom-com. OK, so

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Speaker 1: here's my question there, because I know that you're a

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Speaker 1: diehard Emily Henry fan, you've read pretty much all of

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Speaker 1: her books, right? All of them multiple times, all of

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Speaker 1: Little leeway there, but you're like, I love this, I

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Speaker 1: love a predictable yet comforting plot. And this is also

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Speaker 1: like all the book talk girls, all just readers in

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Speaker 1: reading book lovers now. Book Lovers is my favorite. Yes.

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Speaker 1: It's so intriguing. But essentially, like, Augustus, August, and January, like,

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Speaker 1: then Christopher Nolan's like, ha ha, never Google, it's never true,

426
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Speaker 1: but I think he really like sees that as like

427
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Speaker 1: the pinnacle of what he wants to be and what

428
00:18:36,823 --> 00:18:39,053
Speaker 1: his star was, and yes, it kept him in Hollywood,

429
00:18:39,264 --> 00:18:41,364
Speaker 1: and so he wants that to be his origin story

430
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Speaker 1: and not,

431
00:18:42,563 --> 00:18:45,924
Speaker 1: After that, which was Love the Coopers, a terrible Christmas movie,

432
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Speaker 1: and another terribly removed movie at the Berlin Film Festival,

433
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Speaker 1: and then he actually moved to stage, and that was

434
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Speaker 1: the next time he was well reviewed, and it wasn't

435
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Speaker 1: until Call Me By Your Name that it was, this

436
00:18:55,443 --> 00:18:57,764
Speaker 1: kid is one to watch. He wasn't one to watch

437
00:18:57,764 --> 00:18:59,924
Speaker 1: in Interstellar, he was just there. But I think he

438
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Speaker 1: wants to be seen as being associated with the greats.

439
00:19:02,124 --> 00:19:05,004
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like, fully believe.

440
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Speaker 1: That he doesn't want to be associated with like Greta

441
00:19:07,053 --> 00:19:09,053
Speaker 1: Gerwig and things like that cos he does love them,

442
00:19:09,134 --> 00:19:11,534
Speaker 1: but even in this interview with Matthew, he's like, Greta

443
00:19:11,534 --> 00:19:13,973
Speaker 1: and I share a cultural sensibility, but I've never connected

444
00:19:13,973 --> 00:19:17,053
Speaker 1: with someone as much as the Safdie guy on Marty Supreme,

445
00:19:17,124 --> 00:19:19,233
Speaker 1: and it's like, we were sending each other memes, and

446
00:19:19,233 --> 00:19:21,333
Speaker 1: I was like, oh cool. OK, if Greta Gerwig wanted

447
00:19:21,333 --> 00:19:23,213
Speaker 1: to send that boy a meme, she'd send him a meme,

448
00:19:23,414 --> 00:19:25,933
Speaker 1: but she doesn't need to because she's just funny and

449
00:19:25,933 --> 00:19:27,754
Speaker 1: witty and interesting and,

450
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's worked with Greta many times. I'm sure

451
00:19:30,693 --> 00:19:32,443
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's no bad blood there. I don't think

452
00:19:32,443 --> 00:19:34,093
Speaker 1: he's trying to erase that part of his history, but

453
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Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting point that he wants to

454
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Speaker 1: be so hard to be a bro that he's kind

455
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Speaker 1: of not realizing what he's burning down around him in

456
00:19:41,174 --> 00:19:43,213
Speaker 1: saying that. Yeah, and I think a lot of his

457
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Speaker 1: fans of his work in Ladybird, Little Women, Call Me

458
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Speaker 1: By Your Name.

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Speaker 1: I've been very vocal over the past year of, like,

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Speaker 1: not liking the bro-y route of a lot of the, say, like,

461
00:19:52,369 --> 00:19:56,369
Speaker 1: marketing and speeches that he's been doing for Marty Supreme

462
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Speaker 1: and from a complete unknown of, like, this sort of shift.

463
00:19:58,808 --> 00:20:02,049
Speaker 1: I personally have, I just enjoy watching his process and

464
00:20:02,049 --> 00:20:03,919
Speaker 1: seeing what that boy is doing because it's never, it

465
00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:06,058
Speaker 1: never makes sense to me, but I enjoy it. But,

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Speaker 1: I think there's some merit in the fact that it

467
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Speaker 1: seems like he just wants to be attached to this

468
00:20:10,448 --> 00:20:12,447
Speaker 1: project and wants to be taken seriously, and I think

469
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Speaker 1: it's like,

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Speaker 1: Maybe he could step away from Interstellar for a moment,

471
00:20:16,213 --> 00:20:18,733
Speaker 1: he brings it up all the time, but kind of

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Speaker 1: like you said, like this interview features a lot of

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Speaker 1: the stuff about like the broy sets, because one of

474
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Speaker 1: the things that he says he like loved about the

475
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Speaker 1: seriousness of the Interstellar set was just how like stoic

476
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Speaker 1: and impressive everyone on set was, but then he,

477
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Speaker 1: Goes into this thing about his last day, which will

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Speaker 1: disgust you. Oh, OK, yeah, I did have to turn

479
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Speaker 1: the video off. I'm so sorry, I know it's my

480
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Speaker 1: job to watch this stuff. I turned the video off,

481
00:20:41,164 --> 00:20:43,803
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I read the transcript and I, so maybe

482
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Speaker 1: I'll just let you say what happened. So on his

483
00:20:47,083 --> 00:20:51,044
Speaker 1: last day, I'll never, I wish I didn't know this

484
00:20:51,044 --> 00:20:53,404
Speaker 1: because I will, after hearing the story, I will never

485
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Speaker 1: look at Matthew McConaughey or Timothy Chalamet the same way

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Speaker 1: ever again. And that's all I'll say on that.

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Speaker 1: So on his last day on the set of Interstellar

488
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Speaker 1: when he's a teenybopper and he's been playing the son

489
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Speaker 1: of Matthew McConaughey, he goes back to his bathroom in

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Speaker 1: his trailer and he finds a big fat poop in

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Speaker 1: the toilet. Just, just for context, I'm sure no one

492
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Speaker 1: else will be upset about this. I can't stand bathroom

493
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Speaker 1: talk or anything. I mean it's still gross, like it's

494
00:21:20,414 --> 00:21:23,624
Speaker 1: a gross, but it's actually so upsetting. I can't, and

495
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the average person will just think it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I would have, I, no, no. And he goes, he

497
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Speaker 1: goes out.

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Speaker 1: a trailer to the ground. Well, he did not. He

499
00:21:31,473 --> 00:21:33,353
Speaker 1: went out and he asked Christopher Nolan, what's this, what's

500
00:21:33,353 --> 00:21:35,593
Speaker 1: the tea on this? How did you do that? Why

501
00:21:35,593 --> 00:21:37,994
Speaker 1: would you go? Timothy Chalamet, I know you were really

502
00:21:37,994 --> 00:21:39,463
Speaker 1: young and you thought you were gonna be a superstar,

503
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Speaker 1: but why would you find something disgusting in your bathroom

504
00:21:41,833 --> 00:21:43,793
Speaker 1: and not just like walk away from it? Why would

505
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Speaker 1: you go and ask the director of the multi, multi-million

506
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Speaker 1: dollar film?

507
00:21:47,553 --> 00:21:49,562
Speaker 1: And then go and ask all the crew, half of

508
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Speaker 1: them who, most of them I'm sure had no idea

509
00:21:51,764 --> 00:21:54,963
Speaker 1: what was going on, asked them about something that you

510
00:21:54,963 --> 00:21:57,404
Speaker 1: found in the toilet. Well, apparently they were like, it's

511
00:21:57,404 --> 00:22:00,924
Speaker 1: got McConaughey written all over it. Everyone. Everyone knew, and

512
00:22:00,924 --> 00:22:03,394
Speaker 1: then Timothy felt accepted into the world of film bros,

513
00:22:03,404 --> 00:22:07,874
Speaker 1: and in this interview, McConaughey's like, Texas, man, he's like, no,

514
00:22:08,044 --> 00:22:08,364
Speaker 1: the people.

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00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: Ts don't deserve that, so I don't think that's really

516
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,709
Speaker 1: the thing, bro. So yeah, that's like his whole thing

517
00:22:13,709 --> 00:22:16,109
Speaker 1: in this little speech is how much he loves Matthew

518
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Speaker 1: McConaughey and the time he pooped in his toilet. That

519
00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:21,209
Speaker 1: to be their legacy? Yeah, I guess. They said all

520
00:22:21,209 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: this other stuff trying to build up their legacy and

521
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,540
Speaker 1: build up what serious filmmakers they were and they ended

522
00:22:25,540 --> 00:22:27,599
Speaker 1: on the toilet stuff. Well, also then they go into

523
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Speaker 1: the fact that Safdie on Marty Supreme.

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Speaker 1: would have probably like forced himself to vomit in the

525
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Speaker 1: toilet if he was trying to pull a prank, and

526
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Speaker 1: I was like, guys, why are we talking about Men

527
00:22:37,316 --> 00:22:39,715
Speaker 1: being men, but my very favorite part was another men

528
00:22:39,716 --> 00:22:42,235
Speaker 1: being men moment real quick, which was the fact that

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Speaker 1: apparently Timothy Chalamet also saw the video where it looked

530
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Speaker 1: like Matthew McConaughey and Austin Butler were going to kiss.

531
00:22:47,755 --> 00:22:50,436
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for some unknown reason brings it up.

532
00:22:51,093 --> 00:22:53,973
Speaker 1: There's this video online of Matthew and Austin talking, and

533
00:22:53,973 --> 00:22:55,853
Speaker 1: they're both like, you know how they're really serious men

534
00:22:55,853 --> 00:22:57,853
Speaker 1: and they get in your face when you talk. Like

535
00:22:57,853 --> 00:22:59,414
Speaker 1: they're kind of doing it to each other and they're

536
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Speaker 1: doing it so much that it's like, maybe you guys

537
00:23:01,174 --> 00:23:04,294
Speaker 1: should just kiss. And Timothy fully is like, oh, I

538
00:23:04,294 --> 00:23:05,683
Speaker 1: saw that video, man, and I was like, are they

539
00:23:05,683 --> 00:23:07,374
Speaker 1: gonna kiss? Like he's just jealous.

540
00:23:07,453 --> 00:23:09,052
Speaker 1: He wanted to be there kissing as well. I think

541
00:23:09,053 --> 00:23:11,943
Speaker 1: Timothy wants to be invited next time. Yeah. Well, those

542
00:23:11,943 --> 00:23:14,044
Speaker 1: cute boys, so I guess we can link the full

543
00:23:14,044 --> 00:23:16,823
Speaker 1: video in the show notes. Check it out on Variety,

544
00:23:16,973 --> 00:23:21,004
Speaker 1: but yeah, just yeah, an interesting look, an interesting look

545
00:23:21,004 --> 00:23:22,563
Speaker 1: into how some men want to be seen.

546
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Speaker 1: So it's been a very emotional week for fans of

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Speaker 1: Hilary Duff, which I want to say is pretty much,

548
00:23:29,534 --> 00:23:32,004
Speaker 1: knowing how we skew on this podcast, numbers and demo wise,

549
00:23:32,083 --> 00:23:35,083
Speaker 1: is pretty much everyone who's listening. Because not only has

550
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Speaker 1: she announced her new album, Luck or something, she also,

551
00:23:39,843 --> 00:23:42,603
Speaker 1: the tickets for her first tour, her first world tour

552
00:23:42,603 --> 00:23:44,504
Speaker 1: in nearly two decades went on sale.

553
00:23:44,803 --> 00:23:48,244
Speaker 1: Couple of days, the Lucky Me tour, and I know

554
00:23:48,244 --> 00:23:50,703
Speaker 1: everyone who's trying to get tickets for the Australian shows.

555
00:23:51,044 --> 00:23:53,233
Speaker 1: It was a bloodbath, the likes of which we haven't

556
00:23:53,233 --> 00:23:56,203
Speaker 1: seen really since Taylor Swift. It was crazy. I don't

557
00:23:56,203 --> 00:23:59,004
Speaker 1: know anyone who got a ticket, but everyone was trying. Yeah,

558
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm just, if anyone from Hiliardoff's team is

559
00:24:01,353 --> 00:24:04,183
Speaker 1: listening and history tells us that's potentially true.

560
00:24:06,114 --> 00:24:07,833
Speaker 1: She and I had a long-standing feud, which we won't

561
00:24:07,833 --> 00:24:10,274
Speaker 1: admit to. I'd love to come along. I'll sit anywhere.

562
00:24:10,514 --> 00:24:12,593
Speaker 1: I'll sit on the floor, I'll stand. I'll sit in

563
00:24:12,593 --> 00:24:14,433
Speaker 1: a corporate box. You know I love a corporate box.

564
00:24:15,624 --> 00:24:17,583
Speaker 1: Just pop me in there. I won't take up much

565
00:24:17,583 --> 00:24:19,624
Speaker 1: room except I'm super tall, so whoever is behind me

566
00:24:19,624 --> 00:24:22,822
Speaker 1: won't be able to see. So, while this has been happening,

567
00:24:22,943 --> 00:24:25,273
Speaker 1: while the news of her, we had her first single,

568
00:24:25,424 --> 00:24:27,683
Speaker 1: we've got the album, we've got the tour, she's already

569
00:24:27,683 --> 00:24:30,723
Speaker 1: done a few shows, which the clips went quite viral

570
00:24:30,723 --> 00:24:33,063
Speaker 1: online because, you know, she was singing some hits.

571
00:24:33,139 --> 00:24:35,818
Speaker 1: We haven't seen for a long time. It was the

572
00:24:35,818 --> 00:24:38,259
Speaker 1: first time she'd ever performed, which is crazy, I didn't

573
00:24:38,259 --> 00:24:40,728
Speaker 1: realize this was the case. The first time she'd ever

574
00:24:40,728 --> 00:24:44,697
Speaker 1: performed what Dreams Are Made of from Lizzie McGuire movie Life. Yeah,

575
00:24:44,818 --> 00:24:46,978
Speaker 1: cos I guess when she really was doing music after that,

576
00:24:47,058 --> 00:24:49,218
Speaker 1: she was doing the whole like separate myself from my

577
00:24:49,218 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: Disney days thing, yeah.

578
00:24:51,483 --> 00:24:54,083
Speaker 1: She also recreated that terrible dance she once did on

579
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Speaker 1: live television. That was fun. Love that. I love a

580
00:24:56,674 --> 00:24:58,364
Speaker 1: girl with a sense of humor. Yeah, and she also

581
00:24:58,364 --> 00:25:01,483
Speaker 1: didn't put any effort in this time around, which I preferred.

582
00:25:01,563 --> 00:25:03,433
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, let's do it. No, exactly, the

583
00:25:03,433 --> 00:25:05,443
Speaker 1: definition of girl on girl give us nothing, so yeah,

584
00:25:05,524 --> 00:25:07,483
Speaker 1: she obviously did that, she did a live performance, she

585
00:25:07,483 --> 00:25:10,244
Speaker 1: did this dance that is being like done now, it's

586
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Speaker 1: become like a TikTok trend and people do it as

587
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Speaker 1: this kind of shorthand for just like doing a dance

588
00:25:14,433 --> 00:25:16,994
Speaker 1: but not really like trying it all. She got fans

589
00:25:16,994 --> 00:25:18,963
Speaker 1: up on stage to do it with her. Oh, what

590
00:25:18,963 --> 00:25:19,593
Speaker 1: a time we had.

591
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Speaker 1: Cos we weren't there, but we, I watched all the

592
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Speaker 1: clips online. So she's been doing this little media blitz

593
00:25:24,144 --> 00:25:26,384
Speaker 1: and it's been really interesting because she's been in the

594
00:25:26,384 --> 00:25:28,784
Speaker 1: headlines so much over the last couple of years, but

595
00:25:28,784 --> 00:25:31,424
Speaker 1: she herself doesn't do a lot of media and interviews,

596
00:25:31,943 --> 00:25:35,183
Speaker 1: particularly once Younger finished the TV show that she was on,

597
00:25:35,264 --> 00:25:38,284
Speaker 1: which she's incredible in, if anyone hasn't watched, it's on Netflix.

598
00:25:38,504 --> 00:25:42,062
Speaker 1: Her next big TV show was meant to be a big,

599
00:25:42,144 --> 00:25:45,264
Speaker 1: big buzzy show because it was the spin-off series of

600
00:25:45,264 --> 00:25:47,293
Speaker 1: How I Met Your Mother called How I Met Your Father,

601
00:25:47,303 --> 00:25:48,904
Speaker 1: and she was the lead in that.

602
00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:51,744
Speaker 1: And I must say, I love Hilary Duff to death.

603
00:25:52,114 --> 00:25:53,674
Speaker 1: That is the first show I've ever had to issue

604
00:25:53,674 --> 00:25:57,593
Speaker 1: a retraction on. Why? I like that show. You did. No,

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of, I have a lot of

606
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Speaker 1: reasons it could have been good. You liked the first episode,

607
00:26:01,953 --> 00:26:03,914
Speaker 1: that's what you're too scared to say. No, it's not,

608
00:26:03,973 --> 00:26:05,713
Speaker 1: because I actually thought it was going somewhere really interesting.

609
00:26:05,823 --> 00:26:10,294
Speaker 1: I think what didn't work is the studio audience element.

610
00:26:11,223 --> 00:26:13,303
Speaker 1: Vibe of the original How I Met Your Mother of

611
00:26:13,303 --> 00:26:16,063
Speaker 1: like telling a gaggy joke and then just like it

612
00:26:16,063 --> 00:26:19,384
Speaker 1: feeling really forced and like traditional like friends, Will and Grace,

613
00:26:19,463 --> 00:26:21,463
Speaker 1: that kind of sitcom, I don't think that works anymore.

614
00:26:21,624 --> 00:26:24,183
Speaker 1: I think it needed to be like younger, but How

615
00:26:24,183 --> 00:26:27,024
Speaker 1: I Met Your Father storyline, cos I liked the characters

616
00:26:27,024 --> 00:26:29,424
Speaker 1: writing was really bad to be honest. Say what you

617
00:26:29,424 --> 00:26:30,894
Speaker 1: will about How You Met Your Mother, but like the

618
00:26:30,894 --> 00:26:33,853
Speaker 1: joke building and world building and that is beautifully done.

619
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Speaker 1: The joke building that they gave poor Hilary Duff, who

620
00:26:36,703 --> 00:26:39,083
Speaker 1: was doing such a good job, she was she was great.

621
00:26:39,333 --> 00:26:41,453
Speaker 1: So was that bartender guy and then it was honestly

622
00:26:41,453 --> 00:26:43,293
Speaker 1: the other ones that let them down. I actually thought

623
00:26:43,294 --> 00:26:45,453
Speaker 1: the whole cast was quite good, um, and it was

624
00:26:45,453 --> 00:26:47,174
Speaker 1: a whole joke. There was one whole episode of her

625
00:26:47,174 --> 00:26:49,013
Speaker 1: saying what I do online is different to what I

626
00:26:49,014 --> 00:26:50,973
Speaker 1: do in real life. I'm like, that's not a joke, girl,

627
00:26:51,174 --> 00:26:52,654
Speaker 1: that's just a sentence that you say to a friend,

628
00:26:52,774 --> 00:26:54,473
Speaker 1: probably a friend who's annoyed by you because you're talking

629
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Speaker 1: about yourself. So anyway, I had to issue a retraction

630
00:26:56,933 --> 00:26:58,322
Speaker 1: cos I watched the first episode and I was like,

631
00:26:58,333 --> 00:27:00,443
Speaker 1: this is quite fun, it's good, it's got potential, and

632
00:27:00,443 --> 00:27:02,174
Speaker 1: then I watched the rest of the show and I

633
00:27:02,174 --> 00:27:05,014
Speaker 1: had to get back on this podcast and say, no guys, sorry,

634
00:27:05,134 --> 00:27:07,164
Speaker 1: my bad, don't watch this show, it's bad. Then it

635
00:27:07,164 --> 00:27:07,774
Speaker 1: got canceled.

636
00:27:07,914 --> 00:27:10,004
Speaker 1: So anyway, she's kind of having the last laugh now

637
00:27:10,004 --> 00:27:12,723
Speaker 1: because her music is doing really well, her shows are

638
00:27:12,723 --> 00:27:15,244
Speaker 1: selling out, there's such demand for it, and in the

639
00:27:15,244 --> 00:27:16,924
Speaker 1: lead up to that she's been doing a whole bunch

640
00:27:16,924 --> 00:27:19,634
Speaker 1: of interviews and there's a few interesting moments that have

641
00:27:19,634 --> 00:27:21,364
Speaker 1: come out that have generated a lot of discussion that

642
00:27:21,364 --> 00:27:24,004
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into. One is the interview that she

643
00:27:24,004 --> 00:27:26,723
Speaker 1: did with Rolling Stone that she actually did with her

644
00:27:26,723 --> 00:27:30,083
Speaker 1: husband Matthew Comer. So she was married to, what was

645
00:27:30,083 --> 00:27:31,994
Speaker 1: her first husband's name, he was a sportsman, so I

646
00:27:31,994 --> 00:27:34,843
Speaker 1: shouldn't even know hockey, Michael Comrie, I do believe was

647
00:27:34,843 --> 00:27:36,264
Speaker 1: his name, who was a hockey player.

648
00:27:36,674 --> 00:27:38,394
Speaker 1: That's all I know about that, and they had their

649
00:27:38,394 --> 00:27:40,914
Speaker 1: son Luca together and they got married quite young. She

650
00:27:40,914 --> 00:27:42,874
Speaker 1: had the princess dress with the high bun. She broke

651
00:27:42,874 --> 00:27:44,394
Speaker 1: her tooth on the morning of the wedding. The stuff

652
00:27:44,394 --> 00:27:47,463
Speaker 1: I know about this girl is absolutely crazy. Maybe that's

653
00:27:47,463 --> 00:27:48,953
Speaker 1: why she won't see me is because she thinks I'm

654
00:27:48,953 --> 00:27:52,553
Speaker 1: stalking her. They got divorced and then she fell in

655
00:27:52,553 --> 00:27:55,703
Speaker 1: love and married Matthew Comer, who is a musician-songwriter. They

656
00:27:55,703 --> 00:27:59,473
Speaker 1: have 3 daughters together, so, and he worked a lot

657
00:27:59,473 --> 00:28:02,394
Speaker 1: with Good Charlotte. Yes, with whom she previously dated John.

658
00:28:02,884 --> 00:28:05,164
Speaker 1: Yes, and then it kind of brought it all full circle. Yeah,

659
00:28:05,244 --> 00:28:07,483
Speaker 1: and now they hang out with Joel Maddon, his wife

660
00:28:07,483 --> 00:28:10,562
Speaker 1: Nicole Richie, even though the underlying thing is that he,

661
00:28:10,764 --> 00:28:13,723
Speaker 1: Joel Maddon was too old to be dating. OK, I

662
00:28:13,723 --> 00:28:15,723
Speaker 1: was gonna say, was way too old to be dating

663
00:28:15,723 --> 00:28:18,203
Speaker 1: a young Hilary Duff who'd been through enough. So anyway,

664
00:28:18,313 --> 00:28:19,754
Speaker 1: in this interview with Rolling Stone, we could have just

665
00:28:19,754 --> 00:28:22,043
Speaker 1: done a whole deep dive on Hillary Duff, and I,

666
00:28:22,083 --> 00:28:23,884
Speaker 1: can I just say I'm too old to be a

667
00:28:23,884 --> 00:28:29,544
Speaker 1: Lizzie McGuire girl. Like I, yeah, wow. No, I remember. Oh,

668
00:28:29,553 --> 00:28:30,223
Speaker 1: it's OK.

669
00:28:31,494 --> 00:28:33,174
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I just mean that like I, I

670
00:28:33,174 --> 00:28:37,004
Speaker 1: wasn't in primary school when it was in its peak. But,

671
00:28:37,014 --> 00:28:38,733
Speaker 1: and I think I was like a young teen when

672
00:28:38,733 --> 00:28:41,014
Speaker 1: the Lizzie McGuire movie came out. So I'm on the cusp.

673
00:28:41,174 --> 00:28:44,034
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah. So it's, I don't know why

674
00:28:44,034 --> 00:28:46,203
Speaker 1: I'm so invested in her life and I know so

675
00:28:46,203 --> 00:28:47,733
Speaker 1: much about it, but I think it ties into what

676
00:28:47,733 --> 00:28:50,294
Speaker 1: she has said in every one of these interviews is

677
00:28:50,294 --> 00:28:52,774
Speaker 1: like the thread through all of these interviews that she's

678
00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:55,973
Speaker 1: talking about her life is her saying people are so invested.

679
00:28:56,096 --> 00:28:59,096
Speaker 1: My life, people know everything, they already know the players,

680
00:28:59,135 --> 00:29:00,576
Speaker 1: they know how I feel, they know where I've been,

681
00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:03,316
Speaker 1: they know where I'm going, so everything is really heightened

682
00:29:03,686 --> 00:29:05,926
Speaker 1: when we talk about her, and as I'm talking about her,

683
00:29:05,936 --> 00:29:08,775
Speaker 1: I'm realizing how true that is because I know she

684
00:29:08,775 --> 00:29:10,535
Speaker 1: broke a tooth on a bagel on her wedding day

685
00:29:10,535 --> 00:29:13,005
Speaker 1: and had to go to an emergency dentist. So anyway,

686
00:29:13,206 --> 00:29:16,135
Speaker 1: you know too many things. Well again, she's just been

687
00:29:16,135 --> 00:29:18,176
Speaker 1: in the public eye for so long and she says

688
00:29:18,176 --> 00:29:20,556
Speaker 1: in these interviews, there's such an intense fascination.

689
00:29:20,858 --> 00:29:23,557
Speaker 1: With her life, even if she's just, as she's saying here,

690
00:29:23,898 --> 00:29:26,077
Speaker 1: going to school and picking up her kids and making lunches,

691
00:29:26,138 --> 00:29:28,536
Speaker 1: like people are so invested. So she did this Rolling

692
00:29:28,537 --> 00:29:31,498
Speaker 1: Stone interview with Matthew Cramer, and it was really interesting

693
00:29:31,498 --> 00:29:34,297
Speaker 1: because she said something that's kind of like blown up

694
00:29:34,297 --> 00:29:37,057
Speaker 1: and she said, I always think Matthew's going to leave

695
00:29:37,057 --> 00:29:40,417
Speaker 1: me for some coolio indie songwriter that he works with.

696
00:29:40,858 --> 00:29:43,807
Speaker 1: She brought that up because she addresses those insecurities in

697
00:29:43,807 --> 00:29:45,577
Speaker 1: one of her new songs, her new album Holiday.

698
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,739
Speaker 1: Party where she sings in my head you live another

699
00:29:48,739 --> 00:29:51,099
Speaker 1: life where you fuck all my friends and wish someone

700
00:29:51,099 --> 00:29:54,900
Speaker 1: could have been your wife, devastating. Good lyrics though, good lyric,

701
00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:56,890
Speaker 1: I like that. She's gone to town with these lyrics,

702
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:58,940
Speaker 1: like we're learning so much about her life because she's

703
00:29:58,940 --> 00:30:02,300
Speaker 1: been so, so um he's the producer, right, like, so

704
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: like it's, I've only listened to a handful thus far,

705
00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:07,550
Speaker 1: but I am liking the vibe. The vibe is fun,

706
00:30:07,739 --> 00:30:09,879
Speaker 1: the vibe is cheap is interesting, we're getting so much

707
00:30:09,879 --> 00:30:10,339
Speaker 1: from her.

708
00:30:10,823 --> 00:30:13,264
Speaker 1: So then Matthew Comer, who's in the interview, goes, which

709
00:30:13,264 --> 00:30:16,463
Speaker 1: is so insane but also very real, these are the

710
00:30:16,463 --> 00:30:19,384
Speaker 1: things we get hung up on emotionally. Now people are

711
00:30:19,384 --> 00:30:21,744
Speaker 1: very angry at him for that. And I don't understand

712
00:30:21,744 --> 00:30:24,453
Speaker 1: why cos he starts the sentence with the fact that

713
00:30:24,453 --> 00:30:25,744
Speaker 1: he thinks that's insane.

714
00:30:26,553 --> 00:30:28,833
Speaker 1: I think it's, yeah, I get why cos everyone on

715
00:30:28,833 --> 00:30:32,593
Speaker 1: the internet doesn't have reading comprehension, but he says that's insane,

716
00:30:32,674 --> 00:30:34,634
Speaker 1: but also, yeah, like we all have our insecurities and

717
00:30:34,634 --> 00:30:37,103
Speaker 1: like whatever, it's essentially the vibe he's given and everyone's like,

718
00:30:37,114 --> 00:30:40,014
Speaker 1: how dare he say that that's fair. Yeah, I do

719
00:30:40,014 --> 00:30:42,394
Speaker 1: think this is the thing with like just seeing snippets

720
00:30:42,394 --> 00:30:44,264
Speaker 1: of interviews, which we all see, that's what's out in

721
00:30:44,264 --> 00:30:46,424
Speaker 1: the world, like interviews, long interviews get cut up and

722
00:30:46,424 --> 00:30:49,274
Speaker 1: little clips or moments or, you know, a lot of

723
00:30:49,274 --> 00:30:51,114
Speaker 1: people have just put this on like an Instagram photo

724
00:30:51,114 --> 00:30:53,634
Speaker 1: and shared it, and so it looks like she, Hilary

725
00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:55,914
Speaker 1: Duff says, I think my husband's gonna leave me and then.

726
00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:59,759
Speaker 1: It's so, so real, I definitely am. Whereas the actual

727
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,050
Speaker 1: tone of the interview is not like that at all,

728
00:31:02,339 --> 00:31:05,420
Speaker 1: especially if they've worked on these songs together and obviously

729
00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:08,219
Speaker 1: are a very normal healthy couple who communicate, like they

730
00:31:08,219 --> 00:31:10,379
Speaker 1: don't mean it that way, but yeah, yeah, a real

731
00:31:10,379 --> 00:31:13,020
Speaker 1: thread through the interviews is her talking about how much

732
00:31:13,020 --> 00:31:15,300
Speaker 1: like he is the one who got her, not got

733
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: her back into music because she did that herself, but

734
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:20,499
Speaker 1: she said she hadn't felt safe touring and making new

735
00:31:20,499 --> 00:31:23,020
Speaker 1: music previously, and she was also, she's got 4 kids,

736
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:25,579
Speaker 1: so she's been really in the throes of motherhood and.

737
00:31:25,686 --> 00:31:28,086
Speaker 1: She's like Matthew would come home and like show her

738
00:31:28,086 --> 00:31:29,966
Speaker 1: samples of songs he was working on or talk to

739
00:31:29,966 --> 00:31:32,686
Speaker 1: her and like, and she got really invested in like

740
00:31:32,686 --> 00:31:35,285
Speaker 1: creating new music, seeing that. And then he was the

741
00:31:35,285 --> 00:31:36,875
Speaker 1: one who kind of helped her sit down and like

742
00:31:36,875 --> 00:31:39,005
Speaker 1: organize her thoughts of like what songs she wanted to write,

743
00:31:39,086 --> 00:31:40,946
Speaker 1: what she wanted to tap into, what she wanted to say,

744
00:31:41,326 --> 00:31:44,245
Speaker 1: which I actually think sounds so fricking romantic. I've seen

745
00:31:44,245 --> 00:31:46,395
Speaker 1: people say it's controlling. I'm like, I, I mean, I,

746
00:31:46,485 --> 00:31:49,285
Speaker 1: I don't know what other people's relationships are like, but

747
00:31:49,285 --> 00:31:51,275
Speaker 1: I actually think that just sounds very romantic, the two

748
00:31:51,275 --> 00:31:53,726
Speaker 1: of them song writing late into the night together. Yeah,

749
00:31:53,765 --> 00:31:55,265
Speaker 1: I think that's cute as hell. What is everyone's

750
00:31:55,342 --> 00:31:57,391
Speaker 1: Problem. Well, so what do you, if you're both songwriters

751
00:31:57,391 --> 00:32:00,141
Speaker 1: and musicians and you're, you live together and apart from

752
00:32:00,141 --> 00:32:01,712
Speaker 1: your kids, what else do you talk about? I would

753
00:32:01,712 --> 00:32:03,992
Speaker 1: say it would be that. The other interesting thing is

754
00:32:03,992 --> 00:32:07,112
Speaker 1: that everyone has been desperate for Hilary Duff to address

755
00:32:07,112 --> 00:32:11,551
Speaker 1: the toxic mum group Hollywood saga that started with Ashley

756
00:32:11,551 --> 00:32:14,712
Speaker 1: Tisdale's essay on the cut, which she wrote, seems like

757
00:32:14,712 --> 00:32:17,551
Speaker 1: a lifetime ago now, which she wrote about leaving this

758
00:32:17,551 --> 00:32:20,832
Speaker 1: toxic mum group. She didn't name anyone, but people obviously

759
00:32:20,832 --> 00:32:24,511
Speaker 1: traced back through Instagram photos and stories and some of

760
00:32:24,511 --> 00:32:24,872
Speaker 1: the famous.

761
00:32:25,098 --> 00:32:27,807
Speaker 1: Names that came up in this mum's group were Hilary Duff,

762
00:32:27,907 --> 00:32:30,567
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore, and Meghan Trainor, but in particular Hilary Duff

763
00:32:30,567 --> 00:32:32,777
Speaker 1: is kind of like the ringleader of it. And then

764
00:32:32,777 --> 00:32:36,527
Speaker 1: Matthew Comer, who's all in the weeds on social media,

765
00:32:36,738 --> 00:32:38,447
Speaker 1: and that, that is why I follow him. I don't

766
00:32:38,447 --> 00:32:40,957
Speaker 1: follow anyone else's husband, but I follow Hilary Duff's husband

767
00:32:41,478 --> 00:32:43,898
Speaker 1: because he's very funny. And then, although some people got

768
00:32:43,898 --> 00:32:46,618
Speaker 1: the ick from this, and I understand why, who put

769
00:32:46,618 --> 00:32:48,898
Speaker 1: his head on Ashley's head and then did like a

770
00:32:48,898 --> 00:32:53,378
Speaker 1: corresponding the cut cover and basically called Ashley selfish and

771
00:32:53,378 --> 00:32:54,498
Speaker 1: pretty much confirmed that,

772
00:32:54,823 --> 00:32:57,364
Speaker 1: It was Hillary who was invested in the whole thing

773
00:32:57,693 --> 00:32:59,254
Speaker 1: and in the group. I mean, I thought the cover

774
00:32:59,254 --> 00:33:01,343
Speaker 1: was really funny, but yeah, I look, I kind of

775
00:33:01,343 --> 00:33:02,983
Speaker 1: did too. It depends how you go, depends how you

776
00:33:02,983 --> 00:33:05,303
Speaker 1: feel about those kinds of things. But yeah, he obviously

777
00:33:05,303 --> 00:33:07,213
Speaker 1: wanted to make it clear and she at the time,

778
00:33:07,303 --> 00:33:09,583
Speaker 1: I guess, didn't want to address it, but now she

779
00:33:09,583 --> 00:33:11,784
Speaker 1: is ready to address it. Well, she didn't say much.

780
00:33:11,894 --> 00:33:13,744
Speaker 1: This is, and this is how interesting, it's the first

781
00:33:13,744 --> 00:33:16,223
Speaker 1: kind of question that she's kind of, I think skirted

782
00:33:16,223 --> 00:33:18,063
Speaker 1: around a little bit. She talks a bit more about

783
00:33:18,063 --> 00:33:19,943
Speaker 1: other stuff, but I guess she was like, I don't

784
00:33:19,943 --> 00:33:21,183
Speaker 1: want this all to come up.

785
00:33:21,308 --> 00:33:23,828
Speaker 1: So in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, she

786
00:33:23,828 --> 00:33:28,068
Speaker 1: was asked directly about Ashley's essay, which is the first

787
00:33:28,068 --> 00:33:31,749
Speaker 1: time she's really said anything about it. And this is

788
00:33:31,749 --> 00:33:33,789
Speaker 1: why I think there's more happening behind the scenes because

789
00:33:33,789 --> 00:33:35,558
Speaker 1: she kind of takes a more neutral answer than she

790
00:33:35,558 --> 00:33:38,308
Speaker 1: does with other things. And she said, I mean, this

791
00:33:38,308 --> 00:33:39,989
Speaker 1: is not new for me. I've had this since I

792
00:33:39,989 --> 00:33:43,279
Speaker 1: was maybe 15 and started to get followed around by paparazzi.

793
00:33:43,619 --> 00:33:46,698
Speaker 1: Everything starts getting documented and everyone knows my life and

794
00:33:46,698 --> 00:33:47,789
Speaker 1: all the players in it.

795
00:33:48,254 --> 00:33:50,374
Speaker 1: So the stories that get picked up, it's not what

796
00:33:50,374 --> 00:33:52,853
Speaker 1: happens to a normal person and who had maybe become

797
00:33:52,853 --> 00:33:55,254
Speaker 1: an actor as an adult. And then she went on

798
00:33:55,254 --> 00:33:57,884
Speaker 1: to say it's escalated by the talking heads on TikTok,

799
00:33:58,213 --> 00:34:00,853
Speaker 1: sometimes that's us. I was about to be like, oh, yeah,

800
00:34:01,053 --> 00:34:04,774
Speaker 1: fair call, that need clickbait. It's hard because you're like, whoa, wait,

801
00:34:04,843 --> 00:34:07,333
Speaker 1: that person kind of got it right, and sometimes I think, well,

802
00:34:07,374 --> 00:34:09,134
Speaker 1: that person doesn't know what they're talking about.

803
00:34:09,873 --> 00:34:11,784
Speaker 1: So that's all she said on that, she didn't mention Ashley,

804
00:34:11,884 --> 00:34:13,634
Speaker 1: she didn't say anything about it, she just said that

805
00:34:13,634 --> 00:34:15,974
Speaker 1: she knows her life is under that level of scrutiny.

806
00:34:16,273 --> 00:34:17,874
Speaker 1: And when asked if she could ignore the buzz, she

807
00:34:17,874 --> 00:34:19,993
Speaker 1: was like, depends on the day. And then she talked,

808
00:34:20,073 --> 00:34:22,394
Speaker 1: then she, then she got very Meghan Markle, and she's

809
00:34:22,394 --> 00:34:24,954
Speaker 1: like sometimes I just go outside with my kids and

810
00:34:24,954 --> 00:34:26,563
Speaker 1: we collect the eggs from the chicken. She was like

811
00:34:26,563 --> 00:34:28,833
Speaker 1: we go to our hot tub and that's what life

812
00:34:28,833 --> 00:34:29,493
Speaker 1: is all about.

813
00:34:30,299 --> 00:34:32,228
Speaker 1: Look after my chickens and I was like, fair enough girl,

814
00:34:32,349 --> 00:34:34,148
Speaker 1: fair enough. She was like, I go home and I

815
00:34:34,148 --> 00:34:35,468
Speaker 1: quiet the noise and you know what, if I had

816
00:34:35,468 --> 00:34:37,148
Speaker 1: a beautiful home with chickens, I would go home and

817
00:34:37,148 --> 00:34:39,678
Speaker 1: quiet as well. That sounds great outside, you'd never hear

818
00:34:39,678 --> 00:34:41,819
Speaker 1: from me. That sounds delightful do nothing else with my

819
00:34:41,819 --> 00:34:44,509
Speaker 1: life but go in there. I do think, yeah, it's

820
00:34:44,509 --> 00:34:46,069
Speaker 1: interesting that she didn't want to directly address that, I

821
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:48,228
Speaker 1: guess you're right, that maybe they're all talking and they're

822
00:34:48,228 --> 00:34:50,529
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to regroup after that weird public.

823
00:34:51,293 --> 00:34:53,833
Speaker 1: Friendship moment, maybe they're just like, we don't want to

824
00:34:53,833 --> 00:34:56,603
Speaker 1: delve into it with Ashley, forget her name, forget her number,

825
00:34:57,624 --> 00:34:59,663
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe that's what's happened because it's all

826
00:34:59,664 --> 00:35:00,884
Speaker 1: about Hilary Duff at the moment.

827
00:35:01,263 --> 00:35:03,413
Speaker 1: And then the interview I mostly wanted to talk about

828
00:35:03,414 --> 00:35:05,674
Speaker 1: was the one she did for CBS Mornings, which I

829
00:35:05,674 --> 00:35:07,674
Speaker 1: know has been chopped up a lot, there's lots of

830
00:35:07,674 --> 00:35:10,513
Speaker 1: clips everywhere. It's a 45 minute interview. If you're a

831
00:35:10,513 --> 00:35:13,313
Speaker 1: Hilly Duff fan, I highly recommend watching the entire thing.

832
00:35:13,394 --> 00:35:16,634
Speaker 1: I found it so interesting about her life and her

833
00:35:16,634 --> 00:35:18,873
Speaker 1: creativity and what she wants to talk about and what

834
00:35:18,874 --> 00:35:21,894
Speaker 1: she doesn't. She talks about being estranged from her father,

835
00:35:22,273 --> 00:35:24,783
Speaker 1: which I thought was really interesting. Yeah, she's like, oh,

836
00:35:24,993 --> 00:35:27,714
Speaker 1: sometimes we talk, sometimes we don't. I guess now they're not.

837
00:35:28,184 --> 00:35:29,793
Speaker 1: I don't think they are now, no, and she's had

838
00:35:29,793 --> 00:35:33,393
Speaker 1: a very like turbulent relationship with him over the years.

839
00:35:33,553 --> 00:35:35,343
Speaker 1: That was the part of the interview she tears up.

840
00:35:35,714 --> 00:35:37,792
Speaker 1: She gets quite emotional and she's like, I don't think

841
00:35:37,793 --> 00:35:39,954
Speaker 1: you can bring a child into this world and not

842
00:35:39,954 --> 00:35:44,474
Speaker 1: love it, but sometimes it's really complicated. That's so sad

843
00:35:44,474 --> 00:35:46,513
Speaker 1: and I feel really bad for her that she seems

844
00:35:46,513 --> 00:35:49,913
Speaker 1: to be in a really sticky family situation at the moment. Well,

845
00:35:49,993 --> 00:35:52,154
Speaker 1: that was the other big thing, so now that we're

846
00:35:52,154 --> 00:35:54,974
Speaker 1: coming to the biggest headline um from this big press

847
00:35:54,974 --> 00:35:56,194
Speaker 1: tour that she's been doing.

848
00:35:56,513 --> 00:35:59,853
Speaker 1: And this one's interesting because I didn't expect her to

849
00:36:00,434 --> 00:36:03,353
Speaker 1: talk about this at all, because it is a story

850
00:36:03,353 --> 00:36:06,553
Speaker 1: that has been doing the rounds online for many, many

851
00:36:06,553 --> 00:36:10,194
Speaker 1: years now, since like 2019, right? Yeah, yeah. There's been

852
00:36:10,194 --> 00:36:12,634
Speaker 1: articles about it, there's been TikToks, we've covered on this

853
00:36:12,634 --> 00:36:15,134
Speaker 1: podcast before, but she has never said anything about it

854
00:36:15,593 --> 00:36:18,273
Speaker 1: until now, and that is the fact that she confirmed

855
00:36:18,273 --> 00:36:21,333
Speaker 1: she's not currently in contact with her sister Hayley Duff.

856
00:36:21,714 --> 00:36:25,214
Speaker 1: And in the early 2000s, they were like the famous sisters.

857
00:36:25,668 --> 00:36:27,989
Speaker 1: They were like coming after the Olssons, everyone's like, it's

858
00:36:27,989 --> 00:36:31,468
Speaker 1: Hayley and Hilary Duff, and they do appearances together and

859
00:36:31,468 --> 00:36:33,748
Speaker 1: they do movies together and they sing together and they

860
00:36:33,749 --> 00:36:36,299
Speaker 1: are the best of friends, was their story. Yeah, and

861
00:36:36,299 --> 00:36:38,627
Speaker 1: they're like always matching outfits, they're both dating hot guys,

862
00:36:38,708 --> 00:36:41,788
Speaker 1: like it's a whole thing. They were always together, always together.

863
00:36:41,868 --> 00:36:43,468
Speaker 1: Oh my God, what was that movie? I loved it

864
00:36:43,468 --> 00:36:46,059
Speaker 1: so much. It was like a Sense and Sensibility rip off.

865
00:36:46,299 --> 00:36:49,579
Speaker 1: Material Girl Material Girl. Sorry, that movie was universally panned.

866
00:36:49,628 --> 00:36:51,458
Speaker 1: I didn't mind it. I thought it was good, I

867
00:36:51,458 --> 00:36:52,829
Speaker 1: thought it was a fun time. I love when Joel

868
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:54,609
Speaker 1: Maddon made a cameo, I thought that was great.

869
00:36:55,444 --> 00:36:59,683
Speaker 1: Even though he was a predator, um, but yeah, it was,

870
00:36:59,694 --> 00:37:01,573
Speaker 1: they were very much everywhere and they were like, it

871
00:37:01,573 --> 00:37:03,553
Speaker 1: was also they got compared a lot to the other

872
00:37:03,553 --> 00:37:05,292
Speaker 1: like say like the Hilton sisters in terms of like

873
00:37:05,293 --> 00:37:07,292
Speaker 1: they were the nice girls, like it was that whole

874
00:37:07,293 --> 00:37:09,763
Speaker 1: thing too, right? It was like the wholesome Duff sisters

875
00:37:09,763 --> 00:37:12,493
Speaker 1: and their matching ensembles. Yeah, everyone's like they were so wholesome,

876
00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:14,993
Speaker 1: but like Hilary Duff can throw down. I think she

877
00:37:14,993 --> 00:37:17,533
Speaker 1: was in, she was in, she's been in some messy feuds.

878
00:37:17,773 --> 00:37:21,414
Speaker 1: Faye Dunaway, oh my gosh, Hilary Duff versus Faye Dunaway

879
00:37:21,414 --> 00:37:23,174
Speaker 1: is something that I never.

880
00:37:23,309 --> 00:37:25,368
Speaker 1: Thought I'd lived to see the day. What did she say,

881
00:37:25,489 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: my fans don't know who she is. Yeah, yeah, she

882
00:37:27,799 --> 00:37:29,158
Speaker 1: was like they don't know who she is. But also,

883
00:37:29,269 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: you know, the Lindsay, the Lindsay feuds and all that

884
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:33,118
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, but you know what, that's just being

885
00:37:33,118 --> 00:37:36,519
Speaker 1: young in Hollywood. That's fine, I think she's great. So

886
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:40,718
Speaker 1: it wasn't until her wedding to Matthew Comer when people

887
00:37:40,718 --> 00:37:43,589
Speaker 1: realized that Hayley wasn't in any of the photos, didn't

888
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: appear to be there. The sisters weren't pictured together because

889
00:37:46,759 --> 00:37:51,208
Speaker 1: Hayley had moved to Texas with her husband and kids, but,

890
00:37:51,263 --> 00:37:52,783
Speaker 1: There was a period of time where like it was

891
00:37:52,783 --> 00:37:55,424
Speaker 1: over a year, they weren't pictured together, they weren't at

892
00:37:55,424 --> 00:37:58,022
Speaker 1: any events, and also they had stopped commenting and liking

893
00:37:58,023 --> 00:38:01,144
Speaker 1: on each other's socials. And that's when it kind of

894
00:38:01,144 --> 00:38:03,543
Speaker 1: blew up with this one TikTok video and then they

895
00:38:03,543 --> 00:38:05,063
Speaker 1: went on and liked a few things, but like the

896
00:38:05,063 --> 00:38:07,384
Speaker 1: damage was kind of done. And so that story has

897
00:38:07,384 --> 00:38:09,343
Speaker 1: been around for years, but this is the first time

898
00:38:09,343 --> 00:38:12,303
Speaker 1: and it's because there's a song on Hilary Duff's new

899
00:38:12,303 --> 00:38:15,984
Speaker 1: album called We Don't Talk, which everyone thought was definitely

900
00:38:15,984 --> 00:38:18,323
Speaker 1: about her sister the first time she sung it. And

901
00:38:18,323 --> 00:38:19,123
Speaker 1: in this,

902
00:38:19,289 --> 00:38:22,718
Speaker 1: BBS Morning's interview, she confirms it. She takes a long

903
00:38:22,718 --> 00:38:24,999
Speaker 1: pause before she says it and then she says, it's

904
00:38:24,999 --> 00:38:29,049
Speaker 1: definitely about my sister and just absolutely the most lonely

905
00:38:29,049 --> 00:38:31,378
Speaker 1: part of my existence is not having my sister in

906
00:38:31,378 --> 00:38:34,609
Speaker 1: my life at the moment. But she wanted to put

907
00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:37,448
Speaker 1: the song out because it's her truth, and then she

908
00:38:37,448 --> 00:38:38,999
Speaker 1: wanted to say, and I thought this was really interesting,

909
00:38:39,368 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: she went on to say, I don't know if she'll

910
00:38:41,279 --> 00:38:44,208
Speaker 1: hear it, and to that I say she'll she'll hear it.

911
00:38:44,249 --> 00:38:46,089
Speaker 1: Well she definitely knows about it, that's for sure. How

912
00:38:46,089 --> 00:38:47,167
Speaker 1: could you not, it's everywhere.

913
00:38:47,573 --> 00:38:49,454
Speaker 1: I don't know how she'll react to it, you know,

914
00:38:49,573 --> 00:38:51,812
Speaker 1: it's a really personal part of my life that doesn't

915
00:38:51,813 --> 00:38:54,373
Speaker 1: get to stay personal, so I might as well say

916
00:38:54,374 --> 00:38:56,013
Speaker 1: how it is for me and that's all I'm trying

917
00:38:56,013 --> 00:38:58,184
Speaker 1: to do, I'm not trying to say anything bad, it's

918
00:38:58,184 --> 00:39:00,813
Speaker 1: literally just my experience and it's what I really felt

919
00:39:00,813 --> 00:39:01,614
Speaker 1: like sharing.

920
00:39:02,093 --> 00:39:04,974
Speaker 1: It's so interesting cause yeah, like you said, like people

921
00:39:04,974 --> 00:39:08,894
Speaker 1: have been dissecting this for 56 years now, so when

922
00:39:08,894 --> 00:39:10,734
Speaker 1: I found out she was releasing the song, I was

923
00:39:10,734 --> 00:39:12,474
Speaker 1: surprised because I was like this feels quite like a

924
00:39:12,474 --> 00:39:15,214
Speaker 1: messy personal drama which doesn't necessarily seem like the current

925
00:39:15,214 --> 00:39:17,454
Speaker 1: Hilary Duff brand to want to put out there, but

926
00:39:17,454 --> 00:39:20,134
Speaker 1: she's right, it's in everyone's business, so maybe she just

927
00:39:20,134 --> 00:39:22,003
Speaker 1: went fine, I'm gonna address it in a way that

928
00:39:22,293 --> 00:39:25,694
Speaker 1: I want to, and the song is very, in my opinion,

929
00:39:25,773 --> 00:39:28,573
Speaker 1: like quite telling obviously that Hillary has no idea what

930
00:39:28,573 --> 00:39:29,513
Speaker 1: has caused,

931
00:39:30,204 --> 00:39:32,484
Speaker 1: This drama, to an extent the lyrics are hinting at

932
00:39:32,484 --> 00:39:34,404
Speaker 1: like I don't get what I did, is it because I'm,

933
00:39:34,603 --> 00:39:37,394
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, I'm not gonna sing a song, but it's like,

934
00:39:37,404 --> 00:39:39,033
Speaker 1: is it because I'm more famous than you because I'll,

935
00:39:39,083 --> 00:39:40,763
Speaker 1: I'll burn it all down and I'll give you half

936
00:39:40,763 --> 00:39:42,253
Speaker 1: my money or I'll give you the biggest half of

937
00:39:42,253 --> 00:39:43,964
Speaker 1: my money or I'll give you anything you want, and

938
00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:46,083
Speaker 1: it's like, the vibe of the song seems to be

939
00:39:46,083 --> 00:39:47,964
Speaker 1: that maybe she doesn't understand what caused it.

940
00:39:48,063 --> 00:39:50,022
Speaker 1: But then at the same time she's also said like

941
00:39:50,023 --> 00:39:52,464
Speaker 1: I think it's my truth, so many people are having

942
00:39:52,464 --> 00:39:56,013
Speaker 1: this experience and like that line in particular, so many

943
00:39:56,013 --> 00:39:58,823
Speaker 1: people are having this experience made a lot of people

944
00:39:58,823 --> 00:40:00,583
Speaker 1: think this does come back to the idea that they

945
00:40:00,583 --> 00:40:04,103
Speaker 1: have differences politically. Because that was a big part of

946
00:40:04,103 --> 00:40:05,924
Speaker 1: the whole, is this why they've stopped?

947
00:40:06,714 --> 00:40:09,674
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was always this kind of idea that like

948
00:40:09,674 --> 00:40:12,833
Speaker 1: Hayley Duff was like way more conservative and more mega

949
00:40:12,833 --> 00:40:15,414
Speaker 1: and that had kind of caused a rift between them,

950
00:40:15,424 --> 00:40:17,183
Speaker 1: and I don't know if we'll ever really know, but

951
00:40:17,184 --> 00:40:19,833
Speaker 1: I found it so interesting and so refreshing that she

952
00:40:19,833 --> 00:40:22,593
Speaker 1: just said, yeah, it's about a really painful time in

953
00:40:22,593 --> 00:40:25,553
Speaker 1: my life because all the best art, whether it's movies

954
00:40:25,553 --> 00:40:29,114
Speaker 1: or books or albums, all the best art comes from

955
00:40:29,114 --> 00:40:33,194
Speaker 1: like big personal experiences and heartbreak, and I think family

956
00:40:33,194 --> 00:40:34,114
Speaker 1: heartbreak is one of those.

957
00:40:34,813 --> 00:40:37,583
Speaker 1: Maybe even the most crushing, like I don't wanna speak

958
00:40:37,583 --> 00:40:39,343
Speaker 1: for Hillary Duff because she also talks about her, even

959
00:40:39,343 --> 00:40:40,884
Speaker 1: though I've been speaking for Hillary Ruduff this whole time,

960
00:40:41,343 --> 00:40:43,303
Speaker 1: she also talks in this interview about like how broken

961
00:40:43,303 --> 00:40:46,174
Speaker 1: she was after her divorce and and everything and she

962
00:40:46,174 --> 00:40:48,253
Speaker 1: talks about her dad, but she really gets the most

963
00:40:48,253 --> 00:40:50,523
Speaker 1: upset talking about not being in contact with her sister,

964
00:40:50,543 --> 00:40:52,502
Speaker 1: and I think that is like one of the most

965
00:40:52,503 --> 00:40:55,263
Speaker 1: heartbreaking like separations you can have. But I also think

966
00:40:55,263 --> 00:40:57,583
Speaker 1: if you're going to create art, sometimes you just have

967
00:40:57,583 --> 00:40:59,614
Speaker 1: to put it all out there and not worry about

968
00:40:59,614 --> 00:41:01,823
Speaker 1: the TikToks and also just own up to it.

969
00:41:02,224 --> 00:41:04,484
Speaker 1: Because I also think it's an interesting tack cos we've

970
00:41:04,484 --> 00:41:07,944
Speaker 1: seen a lot of pop girls and musicians of recent years,

971
00:41:08,444 --> 00:41:10,724
Speaker 1: release these really big songs that have a lot of

972
00:41:10,724 --> 00:41:14,964
Speaker 1: talkability around them, around these kind of veiled like, we

973
00:41:14,964 --> 00:41:16,714
Speaker 1: think it's about this other person or we think it's

974
00:41:16,714 --> 00:41:18,484
Speaker 1: about this event, or we think it's about this, but

975
00:41:18,484 --> 00:41:20,884
Speaker 1: they never like, Taylor Swift never comes out and says

976
00:41:20,884 --> 00:41:24,563
Speaker 1: like yes this is Charlie XCX, yes this is Olivia Rodrigo,

977
00:41:24,763 --> 00:41:26,323
Speaker 1: like she would just never do that. I know they're

978
00:41:26,323 --> 00:41:27,523
Speaker 1: on different levels of fame.

979
00:41:27,843 --> 00:41:31,323
Speaker 1: Well, not really that different, to be honest. OK, in

980
00:41:31,323 --> 00:41:33,603
Speaker 1: terms of, oh, in terms of like clout with like,

981
00:41:33,684 --> 00:41:36,234
Speaker 1: you know, their fandoms and stuff. I know, I know,

982
00:41:36,283 --> 00:41:38,684
Speaker 1: I know, one's bigger than the other. No, but it's true,

983
00:41:38,763 --> 00:41:41,123
Speaker 1: and she did, she actually mentioned Taylor Swift in one

984
00:41:41,124 --> 00:41:44,043
Speaker 1: of her interviews recently talking about songwriting, and she was

985
00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:46,484
Speaker 1: saying that that she was kind of inspired by Taylor

986
00:41:46,484 --> 00:41:48,803
Speaker 1: Swift in terms of like, I think the way that

987
00:41:48,803 --> 00:41:50,164
Speaker 1: she said it was like we didn't have that when

988
00:41:50,164 --> 00:41:51,674
Speaker 1: I was young, which I mean I think songwriting has

989
00:41:51,674 --> 00:41:52,384
Speaker 1: always existed.

990
00:41:53,783 --> 00:41:56,002
Speaker 1: But I think she means in terms of putting the

991
00:41:56,003 --> 00:41:58,763
Speaker 1: personal in, she said she was quite inspired by Taylor Swift,

992
00:41:58,843 --> 00:42:01,323
Speaker 1: but then obviously like you said, someone like Taylor doesn't

993
00:42:01,323 --> 00:42:03,724
Speaker 1: necessarily come out and usually confirm it's true, but I

994
00:42:03,724 --> 00:42:05,473
Speaker 1: think Hillary was like, you know what, what the hell,

995
00:42:05,484 --> 00:42:08,042
Speaker 1: I've made this personal album, I'm happy to confirm that,

996
00:42:08,523 --> 00:42:10,204
Speaker 1: Yes, it is about my sister. Yeah, I thought that

997
00:42:10,204 --> 00:42:13,843
Speaker 1: was really refreshing and kind of interesting and maybe like

998
00:42:13,843 --> 00:42:16,674
Speaker 1: we'll let artists be a bit more honest in their

999
00:42:16,674 --> 00:42:18,724
Speaker 1: work if they're not so worried about having to keep

1000
00:42:18,724 --> 00:42:21,763
Speaker 1: the real story under wraps and just say yeah, I've

1001
00:42:21,763 --> 00:42:23,384
Speaker 1: had a fight with my sister, this is the song.

1002
00:42:23,484 --> 00:42:25,364
Speaker 1: It kind of felt like very old school rock and

1003
00:42:25,364 --> 00:42:28,083
Speaker 1: roll touring when, when people were less worried about TikToks

1004
00:42:28,083 --> 00:42:29,803
Speaker 1: and stuff, you were just playing to a live audience

1005
00:42:29,803 --> 00:42:30,643
Speaker 1: so you could go in.

1006
00:42:30,984 --> 00:42:32,914
Speaker 1: And just let it all hang out on stage and

1007
00:42:32,914 --> 00:42:35,513
Speaker 1: not be worried about like what a page six article

1008
00:42:35,513 --> 00:42:37,553
Speaker 1: was going to say the next day. Yeah, yeah, so

1009
00:42:37,553 --> 00:42:39,553
Speaker 1: I love that and yeah, it didn't bring me any

1010
00:42:39,553 --> 00:42:42,674
Speaker 1: happiness to like have that few confirmed after all these years,

1011
00:42:42,793 --> 00:42:44,103
Speaker 1: just kind of made me a bit sad, but it

1012
00:42:44,103 --> 00:42:45,674
Speaker 1: made me very happy that Hilary Duff is back in

1013
00:42:45,674 --> 00:42:47,904
Speaker 1: the world making her music. I'm so excited that she's

1014
00:42:47,904 --> 00:42:49,593
Speaker 1: back and if you haven't haven't listened yet, check it

1015
00:42:49,593 --> 00:42:50,573
Speaker 1: out because it's a pretty fun album.

1016
00:42:51,023 --> 00:42:53,022
Speaker 1: Such a fun album and yeah, if anyone has Hillary

1017
00:42:53,023 --> 00:42:57,023
Speaker 1: Duff tickets, please swing them out let Laura know. Let

1018
00:42:57,023 --> 00:42:58,743
Speaker 1: me know. Thank you so much for listening to the

1019
00:42:58,743 --> 00:43:00,974
Speaker 1: spill today. We love hearing from you guys, so if

1020
00:43:00,974 --> 00:43:02,843
Speaker 1: you wanna chat, feel free to drop us a DM

1021
00:43:02,843 --> 00:43:05,664
Speaker 1: on Instagram or TikTok. We will be back here in

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Speaker 1: your feed tomorrow morning at 7 a.m. with Morning tea

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