1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,294 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,894 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,654 --> 00:00:25,574 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mummya's twice daily news podcast, 5 00:00:25,614 --> 00:00:30,214 Speaker 2: The Quickie. Imagine a luxury mansion filled with young influencers, 6 00:00:30,414 --> 00:00:33,454 Speaker 2: all living together and creating content twenty four to seven. 7 00:00:34,014 --> 00:00:37,054 Speaker 2: Sounds like a gen Z dream, right, But beneath the 8 00:00:37,054 --> 00:00:40,534 Speaker 2: filtered facade of these so called content houses lies a 9 00:00:40,574 --> 00:00:45,014 Speaker 2: disturbing reality of exploitation, cult like behavior and some serious 10 00:00:45,094 --> 00:00:48,454 Speaker 2: child safety concerns. From the new Bop house being dubb 11 00:00:48,454 --> 00:00:52,854 Speaker 2: the modern playboy mansion fifty four thousand dollars y'all are 12 00:00:52,934 --> 00:00:55,814 Speaker 2: six because she looks twelve, to the Mormon mum Talk 13 00:00:55,894 --> 00:00:58,894 Speaker 2: swinging scandal from spreading the good word to spread in 14 00:00:58,934 --> 00:01:02,374 Speaker 2: the word about vibrators, and the alleged TikTok cult seven 15 00:01:02,534 --> 00:01:04,454 Speaker 2: m If I see you walking on the sidewalk, I'm 16 00:01:04,494 --> 00:01:05,814 Speaker 2: going to come and shove you in the trunk of 17 00:01:05,854 --> 00:01:08,134 Speaker 2: my car. Today we're pulling back the curtain on this 18 00:01:08,334 --> 00:01:11,774 Speaker 2: multi million dollar into Before you like and subscribe, though, 19 00:01:11,814 --> 00:01:14,454 Speaker 2: Here's Clare Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI Newsroom 20 00:01:14,534 --> 00:01:16,334 Speaker 2: for Friday, March fourteen. 21 00:01:16,574 --> 00:01:19,414 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The Home Affairs Minister is looking into the 22 00:01:19,534 --> 00:01:22,814 Speaker 1: visa conditions of an American influencer who stole a baby 23 00:01:22,854 --> 00:01:26,134 Speaker 1: wombat from its mother and posted a video of it online. 24 00:01:26,374 --> 00:01:29,534 Speaker 1: Sam Jones, who describes herself as a wildlife biologist and 25 00:01:29,654 --> 00:01:33,814 Speaker 1: environmental scientist but is known as a hunting influencer, grabbed 26 00:01:33,814 --> 00:01:36,614 Speaker 1: the joey from its mother while driving along a country road, 27 00:01:36,894 --> 00:01:39,254 Speaker 1: picking it up from under its front legs and dangling 28 00:01:39,294 --> 00:01:41,614 Speaker 1: it as she ran back to her car. The baby 29 00:01:41,734 --> 00:01:44,214 Speaker 1: was crying out while the mother chased them. She does 30 00:01:44,294 --> 00:01:46,654 Speaker 1: release the joey after holding it for a few moments. 31 00:01:46,894 --> 00:01:49,654 Speaker 1: The caption in the now deleted video explaining how they 32 00:01:49,734 --> 00:01:53,094 Speaker 1: waddled off into the bush together. Home Affairs Minister Tony 33 00:01:53,134 --> 00:01:55,614 Speaker 1: Burke revealed that the government is looking into whether any 34 00:01:55,654 --> 00:01:59,134 Speaker 1: breach of visa conditions has occurred, saying either way, given 35 00:01:59,134 --> 00:02:01,374 Speaker 1: the level of scrutiny that will happen if she ever 36 00:02:01,414 --> 00:02:04,334 Speaker 1: applies for a visa again, He said he'll be surprised 37 00:02:04,334 --> 00:02:07,734 Speaker 1: if she even bothers. Prime Minister Anthony Alberonizi called the 38 00:02:07,734 --> 00:02:11,174 Speaker 1: baby snatching an outrage, telling Miss Jones to maybe try 39 00:02:11,214 --> 00:02:13,934 Speaker 1: grabbing a baby crocodile next time and see how that 40 00:02:13,974 --> 00:02:17,854 Speaker 1: works out for her. Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed 41 00:02:17,854 --> 00:02:21,134 Speaker 1: to a US proposal for a thirty day ceasefire in Ukraine, 42 00:02:21,254 --> 00:02:23,854 Speaker 1: but says any deal would have to confront the root 43 00:02:23,934 --> 00:02:26,654 Speaker 1: cause of the conflict and that many details need to 44 00:02:26,654 --> 00:02:30,134 Speaker 1: still be addressed. US President Donald Trump said on Wednesday 45 00:02:30,214 --> 00:02:32,694 Speaker 1: that he hoped the Kremlin would agree to the proposal 46 00:02:32,974 --> 00:02:36,094 Speaker 1: that Ukraine said it would also support to end what 47 00:02:36,134 --> 00:02:39,334 Speaker 1: Trump called the bloodbath. Putin says he might call Trump 48 00:02:39,414 --> 00:02:42,454 Speaker 1: to discuss the issue, saying the idea itself is correct 49 00:02:42,494 --> 00:02:45,094 Speaker 1: and they certainly support it, but there are issues that 50 00:02:45,174 --> 00:02:47,174 Speaker 1: need to be discussed, and he thinks he needs to 51 00:02:47,174 --> 00:02:50,694 Speaker 1: speak to his American colleagues about them. Ukraine President Vladimir 52 00:02:50,774 --> 00:02:53,694 Speaker 1: Zelenski says the fact that there's been no meaningful response 53 00:02:53,734 --> 00:02:57,254 Speaker 1: from Moscow shows that Russia wants to keep fighting in Ukraine. 54 00:02:57,374 --> 00:02:59,974 Speaker 1: The comments come as the US earlier this week agreed 55 00:02:59,974 --> 00:03:03,694 Speaker 1: to resume weapons supplies and intelligence sharing with Kiev after 56 00:03:03,734 --> 00:03:07,254 Speaker 1: they agreed to the deal. Dona Tella Vasachi has announced 57 00:03:07,294 --> 00:03:10,534 Speaker 1: she's stepping down as Chief Creative officer the Vasarci brand 58 00:03:10,574 --> 00:03:13,294 Speaker 1: after almost thirty years in the role. With rumors and 59 00:03:13,374 --> 00:03:17,054 Speaker 1: other big fashion houses about to take them over, Capri Holdings, 60 00:03:17,094 --> 00:03:20,094 Speaker 1: who owns Vasacei, is reportedly in talks with Prada to 61 00:03:20,174 --> 00:03:22,974 Speaker 1: sign a nearly one point five billion euro deal to 62 00:03:23,054 --> 00:03:26,574 Speaker 1: take over, with Dariyo Vertali, the former designer and image 63 00:03:26,574 --> 00:03:30,494 Speaker 1: director at MIWMU, to step into Donatella's shoes. Donatella will 64 00:03:30,534 --> 00:03:33,214 Speaker 1: remain with Vasacei in her new role as brand ambassador, 65 00:03:33,494 --> 00:03:35,734 Speaker 1: saying it's been the greatest honor of her life to 66 00:03:35,814 --> 00:03:39,614 Speaker 1: continue her brother Jianni's legacy. Jianni was killed in Miami 67 00:03:39,654 --> 00:03:43,214 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven. Singer Benson Boone says, well, he's 68 00:03:43,254 --> 00:03:46,254 Speaker 1: no longer Mormon, he still won't ever try drugs or 69 00:03:46,254 --> 00:03:50,414 Speaker 1: alcohol because of his addictive personality. The Beautiful Thing singer, 70 00:03:50,414 --> 00:03:52,454 Speaker 1: who was raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of 71 00:03:52,534 --> 00:03:55,694 Speaker 1: Latter day Saints, told Rolling Stone magazine that he feels 72 00:03:55,694 --> 00:03:58,494 Speaker 1: like if he started trying things like alcohol, he would 73 00:03:58,494 --> 00:04:01,134 Speaker 1: do it so much that his health would just decline 74 00:04:01,254 --> 00:04:03,614 Speaker 1: and he wouldn't enjoy touring as much. How does he 75 00:04:03,654 --> 00:04:06,014 Speaker 1: know he has an addictive personality? If he hasn't tried 76 00:04:06,054 --> 00:04:10,014 Speaker 1: these things, he told the mag Dude Candy Boe says 77 00:04:10,094 --> 00:04:13,214 Speaker 1: his parents support his decision to no longer be Mormon, saying, 78 00:04:13,214 --> 00:04:15,774 Speaker 1: whatever decision he comes to and whatever he feels is 79 00:04:15,854 --> 00:04:18,814 Speaker 1: right for him, they support him and want that for him. 80 00:04:19,134 --> 00:04:22,974 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, why are content houses becoming more controversial 81 00:04:23,014 --> 00:04:30,574 Speaker 2: than ever? Content houses, collab houses, or influencer houses, whatever 82 00:04:30,574 --> 00:04:32,854 Speaker 2: you want to call them. They're not new. They started 83 00:04:32,934 --> 00:04:36,294 Speaker 2: around twenty fourteen with YouTube creators like Jake Paul and 84 00:04:36,414 --> 00:04:37,214 Speaker 2: his team ten. 85 00:04:37,134 --> 00:04:39,574 Speaker 3: House, Good Morning, Jake Poler's Welcome to My Life. I'm 86 00:04:39,654 --> 00:04:41,654 Speaker 3: Jake pak and this is the Tea Deadhouse. 87 00:04:42,414 --> 00:04:44,854 Speaker 2: So while they've been around for more than a decade, 88 00:04:45,054 --> 00:04:49,694 Speaker 2: these houses exploded in popularity during the twenty nineteen TikTok boom. 89 00:04:49,934 --> 00:04:52,574 Speaker 2: The concept is simple. You get a group of popular 90 00:04:52,574 --> 00:04:56,094 Speaker 2: creators together in one house, equipped with professional production gear 91 00:04:56,334 --> 00:05:00,254 Speaker 2: and watch the views and dollars roll in. Think of 92 00:05:00,294 --> 00:05:03,134 Speaker 2: it like a frat house, but with millions of bucks 93 00:05:03,134 --> 00:05:06,774 Speaker 2: on the table. But in twenty twenty five, these houses 94 00:05:06,814 --> 00:05:10,814 Speaker 2: have evolved into something far more concerning, with creators as 95 00:05:10,854 --> 00:05:14,214 Speaker 2: young as seventeen being drawn into these environments. Questions are 96 00:05:14,254 --> 00:05:18,694 Speaker 2: being raised about exploitation, safety and the impact on young viewers. 97 00:05:19,254 --> 00:05:21,934 Speaker 2: Mumma Mire's news editor Jemma Bath has been digging into 98 00:05:21,974 --> 00:05:25,214 Speaker 2: her social media algorithms to help us understand the phenomenon 99 00:05:25,294 --> 00:05:29,814 Speaker 2: and its implications. Jem firstly, after researching this story, are 100 00:05:29,854 --> 00:05:32,854 Speaker 2: your algorithms all messed up? Now? Yes? They are. 101 00:05:32,974 --> 00:05:36,174 Speaker 3: Actually, I'm getting a lot of old school content, so 102 00:05:36,334 --> 00:05:41,214 Speaker 3: all of the pranks, the TikTok dancers from Lockdown. It 103 00:05:41,294 --> 00:05:43,534 Speaker 3: does feel like a bit of a flashback and it 104 00:05:43,574 --> 00:05:45,534 Speaker 3: shows you how strong those algorithms are. 105 00:05:46,014 --> 00:05:47,894 Speaker 2: I want to talk about one of the groups that 106 00:05:47,934 --> 00:05:52,214 Speaker 2: you stumbled across, the Bop House. Yes, they made headlines 107 00:05:52,254 --> 00:05:55,294 Speaker 2: recently for making a ten million dollar profit in their 108 00:05:55,334 --> 00:05:56,574 Speaker 2: first month of existence. 109 00:05:56,654 --> 00:05:57,174 Speaker 3: Insanity. 110 00:05:57,294 --> 00:05:59,374 Speaker 2: When we talk about influences and we talk about these 111 00:05:59,414 --> 00:06:02,014 Speaker 2: content houses, collab houses, whatever you want to call them, 112 00:06:02,294 --> 00:06:04,454 Speaker 2: there's money to be made there, but ten million is 113 00:06:04,454 --> 00:06:07,454 Speaker 2: a pretty significant number. Can you explain to us why 114 00:06:07,494 --> 00:06:09,534 Speaker 2: this particular house is controversial. 115 00:06:09,974 --> 00:06:14,254 Speaker 3: They're not just influencers, they're only fans creators, so they're 116 00:06:14,254 --> 00:06:16,134 Speaker 3: working within the sex industry and a lot of that 117 00:06:16,214 --> 00:06:19,814 Speaker 3: money isn't made purely on TikTok, It's made through the 118 00:06:19,854 --> 00:06:24,694 Speaker 3: funnel of pushing people towards their OnlyFans content. We know 119 00:06:24,774 --> 00:06:26,374 Speaker 3: that there's a lot of money to be made on 120 00:06:26,454 --> 00:06:29,294 Speaker 3: both platforms. Combine the two and this is what you've got. 121 00:06:29,454 --> 00:06:30,734 Speaker 2: You get a ten million dollar month. 122 00:06:30,894 --> 00:06:31,494 Speaker 3: It's wild. 123 00:06:31,694 --> 00:06:34,334 Speaker 2: But what's the controversial part here? Because sex work is fine, 124 00:06:34,494 --> 00:06:37,174 Speaker 2: it's relatively in most parts, depending on what you're doing 125 00:06:37,214 --> 00:06:40,574 Speaker 2: above board, it's legal. Why is this quite controversial? 126 00:06:40,694 --> 00:06:44,214 Speaker 3: There are two things that make this controversial, the first 127 00:06:44,254 --> 00:06:46,694 Speaker 3: being that if you go on and look at the 128 00:06:46,734 --> 00:06:50,214 Speaker 3: members of the Bop House, they're adults, but they are 129 00:06:50,214 --> 00:06:54,094 Speaker 3: aged between nineteen and twenty four. They look very very young, 130 00:06:54,294 --> 00:06:56,494 Speaker 3: and they're making what I would kind of describe as 131 00:06:56,534 --> 00:07:00,454 Speaker 3: sleepover content. Okay, so it's like the TikTok dancers with 132 00:07:00,494 --> 00:07:03,294 Speaker 3: the little middrif Okay, And it's so hard to explain 133 00:07:03,374 --> 00:07:05,934 Speaker 3: because it's done so subtly. But there's a lot of bikinis, 134 00:07:05,934 --> 00:07:08,774 Speaker 3: there's a lot of jumping, bouncing. I'm not going to 135 00:07:08,894 --> 00:07:10,774 Speaker 3: tell you between the lines what I mean by. 136 00:07:10,614 --> 00:07:12,494 Speaker 2: That, but it is all very PG. 137 00:07:13,694 --> 00:07:16,774 Speaker 3: So it looks fine on an algorithm, but if my 138 00:07:16,974 --> 00:07:19,214 Speaker 3: daughter was looking at that as a thirteen year old, 139 00:07:19,294 --> 00:07:20,734 Speaker 3: you'd be like, well, that's cool, I'm going to go 140 00:07:20,774 --> 00:07:23,214 Speaker 3: and make TikTok dances and do all of those dancing things. 141 00:07:23,214 --> 00:07:27,174 Speaker 3: But these girls, they're funneling people towards sex work. So 142 00:07:27,254 --> 00:07:30,854 Speaker 3: the concern here is are they glamorizing the sex industry 143 00:07:31,174 --> 00:07:35,454 Speaker 3: for young teenage girls who would be watching this content. 144 00:07:35,654 --> 00:07:38,654 Speaker 3: So that's the first kind of question marks that I've 145 00:07:38,694 --> 00:07:42,254 Speaker 3: seen people raising. The second is, when you watch it, 146 00:07:42,294 --> 00:07:45,294 Speaker 3: they look like young teenage girls, and for them to 147 00:07:45,334 --> 00:07:50,014 Speaker 3: be making this amount of money from presumably men paying 148 00:07:50,134 --> 00:07:53,854 Speaker 3: to then watch their sex work, why why are these 149 00:07:53,934 --> 00:07:57,574 Speaker 3: men paying to watch perceived as young perceived as very 150 00:07:57,614 --> 00:08:00,734 Speaker 3: young girls. And you can tell that they're playing into 151 00:08:00,814 --> 00:08:03,934 Speaker 3: that role if you say compare it to like the 152 00:08:03,934 --> 00:08:06,334 Speaker 3: Playboy Mansion, which I would say would be the olden 153 00:08:06,414 --> 00:08:10,854 Speaker 3: day version of a content house. They were so obviously women. 154 00:08:11,294 --> 00:08:13,574 Speaker 3: And that's not to say if someone wants to be 155 00:08:13,614 --> 00:08:16,654 Speaker 3: a sex worker when they grow up, great, But I 156 00:08:16,694 --> 00:08:19,654 Speaker 3: don't think young girls looking at that content would be 157 00:08:19,734 --> 00:08:23,254 Speaker 3: thinking about sex work because that's not what they're being 158 00:08:23,374 --> 00:08:26,334 Speaker 3: shown in those videos. But it is how these girls 159 00:08:26,334 --> 00:08:28,054 Speaker 3: are making the majority of their money. 160 00:08:28,294 --> 00:08:31,134 Speaker 2: Let's move on to another group that have come up 161 00:08:31,134 --> 00:08:35,494 Speaker 2: in your recent investigation mum Talk. We heard the words 162 00:08:35,534 --> 00:08:37,694 Speaker 2: mum talk a lot when the first season of the 163 00:08:37,694 --> 00:08:40,574 Speaker 2: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives came out. Can you just 164 00:08:40,814 --> 00:08:43,534 Speaker 2: quickly recap for us, though, what is the mum Talk 165 00:08:43,654 --> 00:08:46,974 Speaker 2: scandal and how it represents a different type of content 166 00:08:47,014 --> 00:08:47,614 Speaker 2: house model. 167 00:08:47,934 --> 00:08:48,174 Speaker 4: Yes. 168 00:08:48,414 --> 00:08:52,214 Speaker 3: So the kind of og content house is where it's 169 00:08:52,494 --> 00:08:55,974 Speaker 3: usually young influencers. They're all in a house together, living together, 170 00:08:56,214 --> 00:09:00,414 Speaker 3: making content together. I would say mum Talk is more 171 00:09:00,694 --> 00:09:03,374 Speaker 3: they kind of hire a house and they all descend 172 00:09:03,414 --> 00:09:05,534 Speaker 3: on the house and they make content there, but then 173 00:09:05,534 --> 00:09:08,654 Speaker 3: they go home to their families, so it's okay, So. 174 00:09:08,534 --> 00:09:10,414 Speaker 2: It's still driving into work. 175 00:09:10,494 --> 00:09:14,854 Speaker 3: Yes exactly, they're still doing that idea of the content house, 176 00:09:15,534 --> 00:09:17,534 Speaker 3: but they're going back home at the end, which I 177 00:09:17,574 --> 00:09:20,094 Speaker 3: guess is like the adult version of the content house. 178 00:09:20,734 --> 00:09:24,134 Speaker 3: The reason that Mumtop blew up was they were doing 179 00:09:24,174 --> 00:09:26,054 Speaker 3: what all of the other content houses were doing. They 180 00:09:26,094 --> 00:09:28,174 Speaker 3: were making the dances and doing the pranks and doing 181 00:09:28,214 --> 00:09:30,654 Speaker 3: little beauty things and using each other's platforms to kind 182 00:09:30,694 --> 00:09:33,814 Speaker 3: of boost each other up. But then it was revealed 183 00:09:33,894 --> 00:09:37,934 Speaker 3: that some of the people within mum Talk were also 184 00:09:37,934 --> 00:09:41,574 Speaker 3: involved in swinging. It's quite a jump to go from 185 00:09:41,894 --> 00:09:45,254 Speaker 3: content houses to swinging But we've got Mormon families, Mormon 186 00:09:45,294 --> 00:09:48,294 Speaker 3: couples where religion and only being with the person that 187 00:09:48,294 --> 00:09:50,774 Speaker 3: you've married is all very kind of it's a big call, 188 00:09:51,294 --> 00:09:53,774 Speaker 3: a big part of their identity. And suddenly there's this 189 00:09:53,934 --> 00:09:57,574 Speaker 3: huge scandal about the fact that they're swapping partners and 190 00:09:57,614 --> 00:10:02,454 Speaker 3: having these swinging parties, and so their content house obviously 191 00:10:02,974 --> 00:10:07,694 Speaker 3: explodes with this controversy that we've been seeing over the 192 00:10:07,734 --> 00:10:10,334 Speaker 3: past few years. You've just mentioned the TV show that's 193 00:10:10,374 --> 00:10:11,134 Speaker 3: been made off. 194 00:10:11,094 --> 00:10:11,854 Speaker 2: The back of that. 195 00:10:12,254 --> 00:10:14,494 Speaker 3: But I do think what is interesting about it is 196 00:10:14,534 --> 00:10:17,934 Speaker 3: that many of these content houses seem to have short tails. 197 00:10:18,094 --> 00:10:20,734 Speaker 3: They don't last very long, and even though they're not 198 00:10:20,774 --> 00:10:24,974 Speaker 3: all ending in swinging controversies, they all end in some 199 00:10:25,094 --> 00:10:27,414 Speaker 3: kind of big blow up, whether it might be bullying 200 00:10:27,574 --> 00:10:32,494 Speaker 3: or financial situation where there's lawyers involved, or they're trashing houses, 201 00:10:32,614 --> 00:10:36,214 Speaker 3: or they all seem to only last between six months 202 00:10:36,214 --> 00:10:36,934 Speaker 3: to two years. 203 00:10:37,454 --> 00:10:39,934 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about some of those more serious allegations. 204 00:10:39,934 --> 00:10:42,174 Speaker 2: You've sort of alluded to them there. What have you found? 205 00:10:42,614 --> 00:10:46,374 Speaker 3: So the original content houses, they were called things like 206 00:10:46,414 --> 00:10:48,574 Speaker 3: the hype House, the Sway House, and they were those 207 00:10:48,574 --> 00:10:51,414 Speaker 3: ones where they were the younger creators all in a 208 00:10:51,454 --> 00:10:53,614 Speaker 3: house together. You know, we're talking nineteen twenty twenty one 209 00:10:53,654 --> 00:10:56,654 Speaker 3: year olds, and a lot of their content were the dancers, 210 00:10:56,694 --> 00:10:59,094 Speaker 3: which is what we see on TikTok a lot or pranks, 211 00:10:59,734 --> 00:11:02,534 Speaker 3: and out of both of those houses, there's been some 212 00:11:02,614 --> 00:11:08,014 Speaker 3: really serious allegations of exploitation. Exploitation on a number of 213 00:11:08,134 --> 00:11:11,974 Speaker 3: different kind of level. So for instance, something like the 214 00:11:12,014 --> 00:11:15,854 Speaker 3: infringement on labor laws and how long someone should be working. 215 00:11:16,334 --> 00:11:20,214 Speaker 3: I've seen people talking about working from seven am in 216 00:11:20,254 --> 00:11:23,534 Speaker 3: the morning till eleven pm at night and not getting paid. 217 00:11:23,974 --> 00:11:26,094 Speaker 3: They're doing it for rent and to be in the 218 00:11:26,134 --> 00:11:28,774 Speaker 3: house and to create this content and so they're working 219 00:11:28,894 --> 00:11:33,614 Speaker 3: ridiculous hours. Or financial exploitation where perhaps a management company 220 00:11:33,654 --> 00:11:36,294 Speaker 3: has paid for said influences to be in the house 221 00:11:36,334 --> 00:11:38,134 Speaker 3: and they're taking majority of the money. 222 00:11:38,334 --> 00:11:39,454 Speaker 4: Or bullying. 223 00:11:39,734 --> 00:11:42,414 Speaker 3: You've got a bunch of young people in a house together, 224 00:11:42,654 --> 00:11:46,134 Speaker 3: that's something that happens. Sexual harassment has come up a 225 00:11:46,174 --> 00:11:48,814 Speaker 3: lot in these houses. The High Pals, which I would 226 00:11:48,814 --> 00:11:50,894 Speaker 3: say is probably one of the biggest ones from back 227 00:11:50,894 --> 00:11:53,694 Speaker 3: in the day, they were in a lawsuit with the 228 00:11:53,734 --> 00:11:56,654 Speaker 3: owner of the house because of six hundred thousand dollars 229 00:11:56,654 --> 00:11:59,974 Speaker 3: worth of property damage beyond taking a bulldozer to a wall. 230 00:12:00,054 --> 00:12:03,774 Speaker 3: How do you create so much damage? I mean skateboarding 231 00:12:03,814 --> 00:12:08,974 Speaker 3: on expensive tiles, putting fireworks in pools. Okay, take your 232 00:12:09,014 --> 00:12:12,894 Speaker 3: point right, you know. So there just seems to be 233 00:12:12,974 --> 00:12:15,654 Speaker 3: a lot of controversy that can be linked back to 234 00:12:15,774 --> 00:12:17,094 Speaker 3: these kinds of setups. 235 00:12:18,454 --> 00:12:20,814 Speaker 2: So that's how these houses work, and some of the 236 00:12:20,814 --> 00:12:23,214 Speaker 2: controversies they even doo it. But what about the real 237 00:12:23,254 --> 00:12:27,814 Speaker 2: world implications on both the creators and viewers. Associate Professor 238 00:12:27,854 --> 00:12:31,414 Speaker 2: Jonathan Hutchinson is the Chair of Media and Communication Studies 239 00:12:31,414 --> 00:12:34,334 Speaker 2: at the University of Sydney. He too has been following 240 00:12:34,374 --> 00:12:39,174 Speaker 2: content houses and their impact. Jonathan, from a sociological perspective, 241 00:12:39,494 --> 00:12:42,774 Speaker 2: what are the potential impacts of having very young creators 242 00:12:42,814 --> 00:12:45,734 Speaker 2: living in these highly commercialized environments. 243 00:12:46,494 --> 00:12:49,534 Speaker 4: Well, it's the long term impact on them that I 244 00:12:49,574 --> 00:12:53,614 Speaker 4: think might be the issue here in that right now, 245 00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:56,574 Speaker 4: it's an excellent strategy to be working with each other, 246 00:12:57,174 --> 00:13:00,534 Speaker 4: to be sharing content, to be boosting each other's work 247 00:13:00,574 --> 00:13:03,734 Speaker 4: that goes online, and sort of hyping up that engagement 248 00:13:03,814 --> 00:13:06,654 Speaker 4: level with each other. That works quite well in these 249 00:13:06,694 --> 00:13:10,374 Speaker 4: sorts of scenarios, but that's for the next And as 250 00:13:10,374 --> 00:13:13,294 Speaker 4: we've seen with the Internet and social media, and particularly 251 00:13:13,374 --> 00:13:18,374 Speaker 4: social media that hangs around online forever, it's never deleted. 252 00:13:18,534 --> 00:13:21,854 Speaker 4: So the impacts that these people might feel from being 253 00:13:21,934 --> 00:13:24,694 Speaker 4: part of these kinds of content houses and what they're 254 00:13:24,734 --> 00:13:27,454 Speaker 4: doing in these sorts of spaces, it's excellent for them 255 00:13:27,494 --> 00:13:32,174 Speaker 4: as a young person as an emerging content creator. And 256 00:13:32,174 --> 00:13:34,494 Speaker 4: this is broader than just the bob houses as well. 257 00:13:34,934 --> 00:13:37,974 Speaker 4: This sort of approach towards content creation is great right now, 258 00:13:38,414 --> 00:13:41,494 Speaker 4: but that content will never disappear. So whether it's Jake 259 00:13:41,614 --> 00:13:45,654 Speaker 4: Paul talking about guns or cocaine or something ten years ago, 260 00:13:45,894 --> 00:13:48,054 Speaker 4: we can still see that now, and the same thing 261 00:13:48,094 --> 00:13:52,014 Speaker 4: will happen for these content creators in five, ten, twenty 262 00:13:52,054 --> 00:13:54,494 Speaker 4: years time. This sort of activity that they're doing now 263 00:13:54,974 --> 00:13:57,334 Speaker 4: will potentially come back to haunt them. 264 00:13:57,334 --> 00:13:59,374 Speaker 2: Then we are sort of in the middle of this 265 00:13:59,454 --> 00:14:01,774 Speaker 2: next evolution with things like the Bop House, and I 266 00:14:01,774 --> 00:14:03,654 Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit more about them specifically 267 00:14:03,694 --> 00:14:05,774 Speaker 2: in a moment, But where do you see the next 268 00:14:05,814 --> 00:14:08,214 Speaker 2: phase going? Will we still have content houses? 269 00:14:08,694 --> 00:14:11,294 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean this new right. So if you think 270 00:14:11,334 --> 00:14:15,894 Speaker 4: about media and how this concept of the content house 271 00:14:15,974 --> 00:14:18,334 Speaker 4: came about. You could go back to something like Big 272 00:14:18,374 --> 00:14:21,494 Speaker 4: Brother and sort of in a traditional media sort of space, 273 00:14:21,574 --> 00:14:23,854 Speaker 4: it's the same thing. Really, It's just a bunch of 274 00:14:23,894 --> 00:14:28,214 Speaker 4: people creating content, living together the every daynus of what 275 00:14:28,374 --> 00:14:32,014 Speaker 4: those particular content creators are doing. It was established way 276 00:14:32,014 --> 00:14:34,614 Speaker 4: back when we kind of fast forward, say ten to 277 00:14:34,694 --> 00:14:37,694 Speaker 4: fifteen years from that, we start to see the first 278 00:14:37,854 --> 00:14:41,614 Speaker 4: la sort of style of content houses emerged. And that 279 00:14:41,934 --> 00:14:43,374 Speaker 4: said into how. 280 00:14:43,174 --> 00:14:47,374 Speaker 5: It's evolved over the last little while, from earlier adopters 281 00:14:47,454 --> 00:14:51,094 Speaker 5: like Jake Paul and Crew for example, through to gamers 282 00:14:51,134 --> 00:14:53,294 Speaker 5: like Unspeakable and that sort of thing. 283 00:14:53,694 --> 00:14:55,774 Speaker 4: So I can't see this going away. It will just 284 00:14:55,774 --> 00:15:00,494 Speaker 4: continue to evolve in terms of content creation and driving engagement. 285 00:15:00,574 --> 00:15:05,574 Speaker 4: It's a model that is proven to be successful, and 286 00:15:05,734 --> 00:15:07,934 Speaker 4: content creators won't shy away from that. That will be 287 00:15:08,014 --> 00:15:10,654 Speaker 4: part of their tools that they will use to create 288 00:15:10,654 --> 00:15:13,454 Speaker 4: content and to get it disseminated across social media. 289 00:15:13,534 --> 00:15:15,734 Speaker 2: Well, success is definitely the word there. When we talk 290 00:15:15,774 --> 00:15:19,774 Speaker 2: about the Bop House Bop Baddie on Point News editor 291 00:15:19,814 --> 00:15:22,094 Speaker 2: Jemma Bath and I have been trying to distill this 292 00:15:22,174 --> 00:15:24,534 Speaker 2: into words and you might be able to help us. 293 00:15:24,854 --> 00:15:29,414 Speaker 2: Why do we feel so uncomfortable watching their content. 294 00:15:29,974 --> 00:15:34,454 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's because they're young women and they're doing quite 295 00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:37,774 Speaker 4: provocative kinds of things, and I think some people are 296 00:15:37,774 --> 00:15:41,014 Speaker 4: fine with that. I think for someone who's of an 297 00:15:41,054 --> 00:15:44,894 Speaker 4: old generation, who potentially has a little bit more experience 298 00:15:44,894 --> 00:15:48,054 Speaker 4: of digital media and what actually happens in these sorts 299 00:15:48,094 --> 00:15:50,534 Speaker 4: of environments, kind of looks at it and goes, gee, 300 00:15:50,534 --> 00:15:54,294 Speaker 4: that's a bit risk gay in terms of do these 301 00:15:54,414 --> 00:15:59,854 Speaker 4: young people completely understand the ramifications of what they're doing here? 302 00:15:59,894 --> 00:16:02,974 Speaker 4: And sure like, I mean, there's nothing that bad going 303 00:16:03,014 --> 00:16:06,014 Speaker 4: on in what they're doing. I think socially we've moved 304 00:16:06,054 --> 00:16:10,454 Speaker 4: on from young girls and sort of the public sexiness 305 00:16:10,574 --> 00:16:13,454 Speaker 4: of young girls, and I think that's what people are 306 00:16:13,454 --> 00:16:16,494 Speaker 4: probably queuing into here and go oh, I don't think 307 00:16:16,534 --> 00:16:19,094 Speaker 4: that's great and building on what we've already been talking 308 00:16:19,094 --> 00:16:22,134 Speaker 4: about in terms of how that content will never disappear, 309 00:16:22,694 --> 00:16:25,414 Speaker 4: Will those young content creators look back on what they're 310 00:16:25,414 --> 00:16:27,694 Speaker 4: doing now and go, I don't know if we should 311 00:16:27,694 --> 00:16:28,214 Speaker 4: have been doing that. 312 00:16:29,094 --> 00:16:31,334 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like that's the impact that they'll have 313 00:16:31,414 --> 00:16:34,814 Speaker 2: to reconcult with eventually in the future potentially, But what 314 00:16:34,894 --> 00:16:38,854 Speaker 2: about for viewers who are consuming the content of people 315 00:16:38,894 --> 00:16:41,054 Speaker 2: and creators like those in the bop house. What's the 316 00:16:41,094 --> 00:16:42,294 Speaker 2: impact that it has on them? 317 00:16:43,094 --> 00:16:45,734 Speaker 4: If they access that sort of content, then the algorithm 318 00:16:45,774 --> 00:16:47,534 Speaker 4: will think that's what they want, and so that we'll 319 00:16:47,734 --> 00:16:49,854 Speaker 4: fill their feeds with more of that kind of content. 320 00:16:49,894 --> 00:16:51,774 Speaker 4: Whether that's actually what they were meaning to do in 321 00:16:51,814 --> 00:16:54,574 Speaker 4: the first place is the question. I guess. It also 322 00:16:55,134 --> 00:16:59,254 Speaker 4: brings to the surface that public debate around why this 323 00:16:59,374 --> 00:17:02,254 Speaker 4: content exists and the kinds of impacts that it might 324 00:17:02,334 --> 00:17:04,054 Speaker 4: have on some people. A lot of people will just 325 00:17:04,054 --> 00:17:07,094 Speaker 4: scroll straight past it whatever, doesn't really impact those kinds 326 00:17:07,094 --> 00:17:10,094 Speaker 4: of users. But for people who might upset over this 327 00:17:10,214 --> 00:17:13,294 Speaker 4: kind of material, they're starting to go down a burrow 328 00:17:13,374 --> 00:17:15,654 Speaker 4: that you may or may not be great for them 329 00:17:15,694 --> 00:17:16,614 Speaker 4: and their mental health. 330 00:17:16,694 --> 00:17:19,254 Speaker 2: Do you feel like there needs to be safeguards in place. 331 00:17:19,654 --> 00:17:23,294 Speaker 2: If so, what would you recommend implementing to better protect 332 00:17:23,294 --> 00:17:26,174 Speaker 2: both young creators but maybe also young viewers in these 333 00:17:26,254 --> 00:17:27,334 Speaker 2: kinds of scenarios. 334 00:17:27,694 --> 00:17:30,374 Speaker 4: It's pretty clear that platforms step in on these sorts 335 00:17:30,414 --> 00:17:34,414 Speaker 4: of environments, and I don't think government regulation policy or 336 00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:37,094 Speaker 4: internet governance can have any kind of impact on this 337 00:17:37,254 --> 00:17:39,054 Speaker 4: in the short term at least, so I mean it 338 00:17:39,054 --> 00:17:42,494 Speaker 4: comes down to the creators, specifically the people who are 339 00:17:42,534 --> 00:17:46,854 Speaker 4: managing them. People become blinded by the sorts of revenue 340 00:17:46,854 --> 00:17:49,534 Speaker 4: that can be generated from these kinds of activities, and 341 00:17:49,574 --> 00:17:53,214 Speaker 4: that I think makes people a little shortsighted. So in 342 00:17:53,294 --> 00:17:55,534 Speaker 4: many cases, and I think what we're seeing here is 343 00:17:55,534 --> 00:17:59,814 Speaker 4: that you're seeing content creators who probably aren't fully aware 344 00:18:00,054 --> 00:18:02,774 Speaker 4: of what's going on in this sort of digital world 345 00:18:02,894 --> 00:18:05,094 Speaker 4: around them. So in that case, they need someone to 346 00:18:05,094 --> 00:18:07,374 Speaker 4: sort of have their back in that regard, and that's 347 00:18:07,374 --> 00:18:10,414 Speaker 4: where creative agencies and management teams and that sort of 348 00:18:10,414 --> 00:18:13,254 Speaker 4: think that's the responsibility and that's the role that they 349 00:18:13,294 --> 00:18:15,214 Speaker 4: should be playing in these sorts of scenario. 350 00:18:15,814 --> 00:18:17,654 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with 351 00:18:17,734 --> 00:18:20,534 Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano, 352 00:18:20,654 --> 00:18:23,734 Speaker 2: and Clere Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.