Speaker 1: These are the yays of our lives. Busy and happy
Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 1: one way. So this is the platforms to hear and
Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore,
Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day
Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of seizing your yea. I'm
Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneur
Speaker 1: who swapped the suits and heels to co found Matcha
Speaker 1: Maiden and Matcha Milk bar Sez. The Yea is a
Speaker 1: series of conversations on finding a life you love and
Speaker 1: exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to yeas of our lives, beautiful people. I
Speaker 1: hope you're being gentle on yourselves during another crazy year.
Speaker 1: I really notice what a rollercoaster it is when I
Speaker 1: sit down to record these and see how drastically things
Speaker 1: change from week to week. It's a lot to take in.
Speaker 1: So sending everyone lots of love. Perfect time to send
Speaker 1: some more random joyful banter into your ears. After I
Speaker 1: went into Doctor Kieran Kennedy's episode a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: without any notes or plans and had such a blast,
Speaker 1: I decided to do the same for this week to
Speaker 1: see where it took us. And what a thrill to
Speaker 1: be joined by two amazing humans who also love a
Speaker 1: good chin wag, Tali Humphrey and Sarah Passini. You may
Speaker 1: have already heard of and or from these two before,
Speaker 1: either through their own cracking podcast Curious Conversations that I
Speaker 1: jumped on a few weeks ago, or through their trail
Speaker 1: blazing active were labeled Tully Loo if you haven't. These
Speaker 1: two are business partners and best friends who shift effortlessly
Speaker 1: between serious practical insights on eight years in business, stealing
Speaker 1: the hearts of Jiji had Did and the like, to
Speaker 1: hysterical cackles about the woes of dating in the modern age.
Speaker 1: I've been lucky to know them both since the very
Speaker 1: first day of matcha Maidan and have drawn so much
Speaker 1: inspiration from them both for many years now. Tully is
Speaker 1: such an amazing example of the non conventional path ya
Speaker 1: overcoming both anorexia and depression from the age of fourteen
Speaker 1: and quitting school at the age of sixteen to found
Speaker 1: a business that played a huge role in bringing ath
Speaker 1: leisure to where it is today. Sarah brings a contrasting
Speaker 1: academic background and experience in exercise science to the business
Speaker 1: and their friendship, making them the perfect pair. I always
Speaker 1: have such a great time chatting with these two, although
Speaker 1: I can barely remember what we spoke about, but those
Speaker 1: random chats are my favorites. Hope you guys enjoy. Tully
Speaker 1: and Sarah Welcome to CZA.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 3: I decided this is my first time on CZA.
Speaker 2: It's both of your first times on CBA, and I
Speaker 2: feel like like it's obviously because we have our own
Speaker 2: show where usually on the other side, I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like it's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm a little bit nice top side.
Speaker 2: It actually is, but thanks for having us.
Speaker 1: It's such a pleasure you guys. I was just saying,
Speaker 1: these two are like my favorite old married cup slash
Speaker 1: long lost sisters separated at the womb.
Speaker 2: Ever, literally we like fight like cats and dogs. But
Speaker 2: it's like we have obviously the show together, we have
Speaker 2: a business together, we're best friends. We've got the same
Speaker 2: friend groups, so you can imagine.
Speaker 1: And we're also living together right now, so that's a
Speaker 1: fun time, are you.
Speaker 2: I was like, are we living together? Sorry?
Speaker 3: By saying that, I'm probably the only person that could live.
Speaker 2: It's true unless it was like a boyfriend or something,
Speaker 2: I could not live with anyone else, like, because we
Speaker 2: obviously travel quite a lot, well pre COVID and like
Speaker 2: a lot, and because I think because we've traveled so much,
Speaker 2: you just get so used to their habits. Like I
Speaker 2: know when I'm pissing Sarah off, she knows when I'm pissing.
Speaker 2: We kind of go our separate ways, and we're very similar.
Speaker 2: Don't get like not similar. We're not similar, but the
Speaker 2: way we live is very similar.
Speaker 1: You're also the same star sign, right, so that's kind
Speaker 1: of a day apart.
Speaker 2: That's Yeah. So Sarah the fourteenth of July and I'm
Speaker 2: the fifteenth of July and nineteen eighty eight, born in
Speaker 2: the same hospital, but didn't know each other. It's so weird.
Speaker 1: So you guys are meant to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. So maybe we are long lost sisters
Speaker 2: that just fight a lot. Yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: was saying.
Speaker 3: Before we had a therapist on our show this week,
Speaker 3: and it's made me realize we might need to go
Speaker 3: to couples therapies. We're not' not like being a real couple,
Speaker 3: but like God, we spend too.
Speaker 2: Much time to get but we have to get to
Speaker 2: know ourselves before we do that. The theme of the
Speaker 2: show was you've got to know yourself before dating people.
Speaker 2: So that's our next job.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what the funnest thing is about you too, though,
Speaker 1: I feel like you could answer the questions for each other,
Speaker 1: like you know each other so well, you could totally
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: We should probably try that in this episode.
Speaker 1: I know you very well.
Speaker 2: I do that a lot. Really. Yeah, we look.
Speaker 3: At menus often. We're like, I know what you choose on, like,
Speaker 3: go for it. She's like, you choose out stuff like that,
Speaker 3: I know one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, what would you both order for breakfast if
Speaker 1: we're out? If we're if we were over the road.
Speaker 2: First, I'll go you.
Speaker 3: Tully would get poached eggs with avocado halluomi and possibly
Speaker 3: mushrooms depending on the venue, depending on the venue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I can't have garlic and some like like
Speaker 2: fested with garlic. Sarah would halloomy poached eggs, toast and greens. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's it. Sometimes avocado, but not much.
Speaker 3: Tully depending would be if she felt like bread should
Speaker 3: get bread but ninety yeah the time, it would be
Speaker 3: sands bread without.
Speaker 2: Bread, honoring if I'm hungover.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it depends, like what's coming up. Given you
Speaker 1: got a Tullilu shoot tomorrow, I'd say no.
Speaker 2: Bread, no bread, no bread. No, but actually no, I
Speaker 2: take that back. I do eat a lot of um butter,
Speaker 2: but yeah, no bread. Yeah, the abs need to be
Speaker 2: popping the floating.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Tullylu, before we actually jump in today's episode,
Speaker 1: can you give us a little bit of background. I
Speaker 1: love jumping on Curious Conversations recently so that audience knew
Speaker 1: you guys really well. But to introduce you to the
Speaker 1: CZA audience, tell us about your background.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my background, I can't say you can tell
Speaker 2: about Teali's background. Brand and I have an active well,
Speaker 2: Sarah and I have an active web brand. But previously
Speaker 2: to that, I launched the active web brand. I finished
Speaker 2: school in like year ten because I was Anarexic and
Speaker 2: had depression, and I kind of thought that because I
Speaker 2: didn't finish school, I didn't really have any direction, and
Speaker 2: the only thing that I could do was start a
Speaker 2: business because I just thought I was literally these are
Speaker 2: words that come out of my mouth. I thought I
Speaker 2: was too dumb to do anything else. So I started
Speaker 2: doing yoga and I kind of wanted to inspire women
Speaker 2: the way it helped me get better and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I came up with the idea of starting Tullylu,
Speaker 2: which back then in two thousand and eleven. I came
Speaker 2: up with the idea I was kind of more to
Speaker 2: inspire women, like a yoga wear brand, So I started that.
Speaker 2: That launched in two thousand and twelve thirteen, like towards
Speaker 2: the end of twenty twelve, and I didn't know Sarah
Speaker 2: at the time, so I was just like yeah, So
Speaker 2: I started the brand whatever. I was a yoga teacher
Speaker 2: as well. I went over to LA, moved to BALI
Speaker 2: had the brand, So I think I had the brand
Speaker 2: for like maybe about a year before I met Sarah.
Speaker 2: And I met Sarah at yoga and that's when shit
Speaker 2: went downhill from there really not really real quick. So anyway,
Speaker 2: long story short, Sarah started working for me for a
Speaker 2: little bit and then I kind of was like, I
Speaker 2: don't do this board now business partners did that and
Speaker 2: then yeah, we have curious conversations as well, So that's
Speaker 2: kind of in a nutshell over do you Sarah my
Speaker 2: different background? Yeah, very different background.
Speaker 3: I'm a much more academic and science background.
Speaker 2: How funny is that? I'm like, I'm dumb number really,
Speaker 2: So I think.
Speaker 1: That's what's great about you too. You complment each other
Speaker 1: so well because you do have such different stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know each other's sides of the business, like hours,
Speaker 3: so Tail doesn't cross.
Speaker 2: Over to numbers. She's like, don't get it, don't talk
Speaker 2: to me about it too, but I just don't understand.
Speaker 2: And all the design is all her stuff.
Speaker 3: So I finished exercise science, majoring nutrition, and then I
Speaker 3: worked for an AFL club and then I moved overseas to.
Speaker 2: Italy and I knew you then know when you went
Speaker 2: to Italy or was that the first time? First time?
Speaker 3: And then I worked over for the AIS over in
Speaker 3: the euro base there with cyclist did you that's it?
Speaker 3: And then came back and then I went back over
Speaker 3: to Europe and I moved to Milan the second time,
Speaker 3: and I hated it. And basically we're on the phone
Speaker 3: each day to one another, and I was like, just
Speaker 3: come home and like, so I came home, worked from
Speaker 3: my dad who runs a business, and helped tell on
Speaker 3: the side, and then became full time.
Speaker 2: Gig. Oh my gosh, how long has it been full time?
Speaker 2: Six years? Yeah, since two this year, so I can
Speaker 2: be about six years. Yeah, it's been fucking hard. Not
Speaker 2: gonna lie not with you. But like the business, it's business,
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes but like, no, the business, it's businesses
Speaker 2: are hard. That's so hard.
Speaker 3: And we often say that we're like geez, like sometimes
Speaker 3: a nine to five.
Speaker 2: Looks real good where you can just go home and
Speaker 2: not think about work or anything because you never really
Speaker 2: do switch off. Nah, Like I often and we'll talk
Speaker 2: about this the other day. I'll often wake up every day,
Speaker 2: not every day, but I'll be like, fuck, it'd be
Speaker 2: so much easier just working nine to five. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 2: But then again, we love it so much as well,
Speaker 2: so you wouldn't. And we're probably not the kind of
Speaker 2: people that would work nine to five.
Speaker 1: Do you imagine the three would not work? It's like
Speaker 1: eleven thirty on a Thursday right now.
Speaker 2: But do you know what the amazing thing about being
Speaker 2: nine to five would be getting paid to go on
Speaker 2: holiday like that would be fucking amazing. But then we
Speaker 2: do have the flexibility to do stuff like this or
Speaker 2: like and say you went away to Queensland last week,
Speaker 2: like you do have the flexibility to do stuff like that,
Speaker 2: which is amazing. But yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Tully Lou has taken you guys all over the world,
Speaker 1: Like I really like you. I think the life cycle
Speaker 1: of the average small business starts his five years and
Speaker 1: you're will and truly over that hump. So of course
Speaker 1: you've gone through that cycle of.
Speaker 2: Like fuck this, I hate what did I do? And
Speaker 2: I want to go back to.
Speaker 1: A nine to five, But also you've had moments that
Speaker 1: have just like highlights that people cannot even imagine that
Speaker 1: you would have been able to do together, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Was there some of the like real pinch me moments
Speaker 1: like I remember Gig had did.
Speaker 2: Was definitely one Gigi had did was one because that
Speaker 2: was probably like the first celebrity, not Australian celebrity, that
Speaker 2: had worn talilou before and it was totally not a fluke,
Speaker 2: like I hustled for that. But it's something that I
Speaker 2: probably in the early stages of having the brand, I
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't have done because I was too scared. So
Speaker 2: that was amazing. I mean Sidney Fashion Week was fucking amazing,
Speaker 2: Like say you were there, yes, so I would say
Speaker 2: that would be another pinch me kind of moment.
Speaker 3: What else do you I can I think cycle maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was a huge collaboration. But I remember going to
Speaker 3: meetings in New York or yes, I forgot about this, yeah,
Speaker 3: and tell like walking into Vogue and things like that,
Speaker 3: and the winter was like We're walking through this fighting
Speaker 3: at the same time, and I'm like, I was like what.
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh my god, that is not only
Speaker 3: like the biggest fashion like editor fashion start in the world.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, are we in
Speaker 2: a movie? This is so weird. And then we went
Speaker 2: to the Vogue office. That was like a pinching moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's fun me seeing Tally how excited she
Speaker 3: gets brought by all that fashion world.
Speaker 2: Like I'm into it now, but it probably wasn't back
Speaker 2: there while to grow into your fashion because we're like
Speaker 2: got a fashion business even though it's active where. I
Speaker 2: think the more that those moments happen, the more you
Speaker 2: kind of get eager and wanted more and more, you
Speaker 2: get interested and stuff like that. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: there's been so many. But then even like as little
Speaker 2: as going to a workout here, like we go to
Speaker 2: fox Fit and then seeing girls in there, and then
Speaker 2: like on the weekend one he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: Tally like I've got I'm like, oh, I love your leggings.
Speaker 2: Like that shit makes us happy. Like so all that
Speaker 2: other stuff they see on Instagram and you know, day
Speaker 2: out the word dreams of mine and stuff. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: fucking amazing, but it's also the little things. Yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 2: just seeing people in Talulu I think is cool.
Speaker 1: I think one of the most amazing things. And the
Speaker 1: thing I love about this show and you guys probably
Speaker 1: have the same, is that there are so many people
Speaker 1: in just our network or out in society that we've
Speaker 1: been part of each other's journey. Yeah, from really really
Speaker 1: early on, maybe even in some cases since before we
Speaker 1: were even part of that.
Speaker 2: Like you guys knew me when I was a.
Speaker 1: Lawyer, before business was even on the radar, And so
Speaker 1: to watch us all have gone through so many different
Speaker 1: chapters and like been in LA at the same time
Speaker 1: or done Sydney Fashion Week and like being there for
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: It's so cool because you're right.
Speaker 1: The whole theory for me of CZA unraveling in chapters.
Speaker 1: It's like, you guys are proof that we have been
Speaker 1: there since each of us were like what's Instagram? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: can you please like make a match this movie because
Speaker 1: I've got two followers, Like, you know, we've been there
Speaker 1: for all of that stuff. And it's just so I
Speaker 1: think for Philly, really nice to sit down now and
Speaker 1: be like, WHOA eight years later, you're still here. You're
Speaker 1: still innovating and growing and like reaching new heights all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: You're right, And I think the best thing about us
Speaker 2: as well, and probably most of the people that we
Speaker 2: all know and hang around with, like all of our friends,
Speaker 2: like you know, we've seen you like even Brook Meredith,
Speaker 2: like you see all these girls like women evolve. And
Speaker 2: I think the best thing about us is, you know,
Speaker 2: we might not see each other three or four months,
Speaker 2: but if we have an event on or if there's
Speaker 2: something going on, you kind of know that you girls
Speaker 2: have got we've got each other's backs because we know
Speaker 2: what it's like. I think that's cool and I don't
Speaker 2: know if that happens in other cities or other countries,
Speaker 2: or if we're just lacky. I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: think now you say that, I'm like, yeah, shit, it
Speaker 2: has been kind of cool to watch all of our
Speaker 2: friends in business evolve, yeah, and support them. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just for me.
Speaker 3: It warms my heart seeing my friends want do what
Speaker 3: they want to do and seeing them grow and be successful.
Speaker 2: At what they do. Yeah, right, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just want to be my friend's best cheerleader.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh you guy.
Speaker 1: You guys have been like that since the start, though.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I think Nick met you
Speaker 1: somewhere or somewhere, remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember when like your guys were about
Speaker 2: to launch and stuff that's so wild, and we literally
Speaker 2: because neither of us had had a job that involved
Speaker 2: anything on the internet, like nothing social media.
Speaker 1: And I was still at the law firm full time.
Speaker 1: And it came home and he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: for our lunch week, I met this really famous person.
Speaker 2: Tell oh my god, the creator of the power.
Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, and her mate Sarah Passini
Speaker 1: was there, and oh my god, they're gonna do a
Speaker 1: post with a match was like the most surreal moment
Speaker 1: because you were the first like famous person who was
Speaker 1: going to drink the Matcher, Like it was such a
Speaker 1: big moment.
Speaker 3: Na.
Speaker 2: I just like I knew you guys were so passionate
Speaker 2: about like the Matcher. So it's always and when you
Speaker 2: see people passionate and starting out, like I always like,
Speaker 2: that's a very good quality of you. You always help
Speaker 2: people out, Yeah, and especially like do you know what
Speaker 2: it's like? I think it's also because I did start
Speaker 2: a business like by myself, I had no experience, I
Speaker 2: kind of know what it's like to start a business.
Speaker 2: So you just want to help people. But I am
Speaker 2: a helper anyway, so I probably would have done that
Speaker 2: in general.
Speaker 1: So nice when crazy, Yeah, just reflect on it because
Speaker 1: you don't do that very often. Then every time I
Speaker 1: see you guys, I'm like, oh, I know, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah, And you just want
Speaker 2: to always like evolve, like obviously now with curious conversations
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like, Okay, what can we do next?
Speaker 2: Like that's exciting. Yeah, when we're not fighting. Yeah right right.
Speaker 2: Sorry Sarah has this saying so it's just completely off topic.
Speaker 2: She's always like, and you'll probably once you edit this podcast,
Speaker 2: you'll hear it. I don't think I've said it one. No,
Speaker 2: you haven't. Actually, She's like, yeah, right, it's so annoying,
Speaker 2: And like, Sarah, do not say that anymore? Does she
Speaker 2: have one? Probably? Like I say, like you say like
Speaker 2: a lot, you say fun, Yeah I do, I say,
Speaker 2: like the fuck. I don't know what else I say.
Speaker 3: You have many numerous habits that I'm just like, I'm
Speaker 3: silent about, but cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just let them out, like got
Speaker 2: booger in your yeah, okay thanks? Podcast is a visual anyway,
Speaker 2: It's fine. My booker can stay there. Sarah doesn't know.
Speaker 2: But my pet hate is she will let me walk
Speaker 2: out with that's because you order green seat and then
Speaker 2: I'm like small and then I'll hop in the car.
Speaker 2: You've been in an event all day with finish. She
Speaker 2: thinks it's so funny that I've spoken to people with
Speaker 2: green ship all in my mouth all day. Abe need
Speaker 2: to invest in That's amazing.
Speaker 1: I love it every time. I think that's what happens.
Speaker 1: When he's a podcast. You notice all the weird like
Speaker 1: crutches that you have in the advocacy subject like for law,
Speaker 1: getting prepared for court. You do this subject where they
Speaker 1: teach you because arm undermines the power of your argument.
Speaker 1: They teach you to like swap in your brain for
Speaker 1: a particular word. And so I don't say which people think,
Speaker 1: but they tell.
Speaker 2: That trick, say it a lot. I don't say arm
Speaker 2: a lot. Fuck. I can do it for fun, but
Speaker 2: I don't say arm a lot.
Speaker 1: Or you just you just edit it out and no
Speaker 1: one realizes. But people often say you don't say arm,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, but pick what other words that
Speaker 1: I use? And I use those just as much, but
Speaker 1: it just doesn't sound like what do you use?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 1: I say so, okay, so like whenever I just replace
Speaker 1: with another really jointy word, and it sounds more articulate
Speaker 1: even though it's not. You've just replaced.
Speaker 2: Sounds time by going so.
Speaker 1: And I also always say, and I've never said this
Speaker 1: in my life, but I've only recently noticed I say
Speaker 1: talk us through when I really when I don't know
Speaker 1: how to like bring up a topic as the next
Speaker 1: topic out of the blue, and I want to say, like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on to B without saying like move it along. Yeah, topic,
Speaker 1: I'll say, so talk us through the time when and that's.
Speaker 3: My that's a nice subtle transition, I think, except that
Speaker 3: I say it like every sentence and so the next okay,
Speaker 3: so now talk us through talk What.
Speaker 2: Are you saying? Let me do that, I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we all have one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, guys, so I get you today, get yes, phone out.
Speaker 1: So quote of the A is the first section of
Speaker 1: this segment, and I asked you to bring your favorite
Speaker 1: quotes or quotes that represent what the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks have been like for you, and then we just
Speaker 1: chat the ship about the quote.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you want to go first out?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think this quote relates to both of us. If
Speaker 2: we have chosen the same quote, I'll fucking die. I
Speaker 2: would actually have to. So one could be did you
Speaker 2: get off in it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I reckon, it's probably going to be the same one.
Speaker 2: To be similar. Did you pick a Jay shirty one?
Speaker 3: Okay either, So don't worry question. Functions prove who someone is.
Speaker 3: Worlds just prove who they want to be.
Speaker 2: That's not mine, but that's really that's a really good
Speaker 2: way you could go. Now, that was amazing you now
Speaker 2: skill the tea. That's a good one.
Speaker 3: Why I think it applies to both Tully and I
Speaker 3: is answering. For me, it was our dating lives.
Speaker 2: They're they're not great at the moment. What they're great.
Speaker 3: Our dating life is great, but it's just a little
Speaker 3: bit frustrating what we've been.
Speaker 1: Through lately, the outcomes.
Speaker 3: I've been ghosted recently, I'm being ghosted.
Speaker 2: And yes, we spoke about this on the podcast she
Speaker 2: is getting.
Speaker 1: Goost, so we've defined it. It is, in factiost.
Speaker 2: And then do you know what happened?
Speaker 3: A girl slipped into my d MS and was like,
Speaker 3: don't worry, he did those exact same things and ghosted
Speaker 3: me too.
Speaker 2: Sarah didn't name this. How wild is that? That is wild? God?
Speaker 2: The Internet is a weird place. It's actually a little
Speaker 2: bit scary, but it's kind of also cool when you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: as long as it doesn't make you upset, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Which you weren't upset about it. Oh no, it didn't
Speaker 2: shed a tear. Yeah, brutal brute.
Speaker 3: Does describe me as a cold heart. Bit.
Speaker 2: Sarah is such a warm person.
Speaker 3: Maybe I should have Sarah's best friend.
Speaker 2: She's so much nice she's like a warm person, but
Speaker 2: she's like cold, like he'll write really know you are
Speaker 2: She had admit it.
Speaker 3: He wrote me a really lovely message, like confessing his
Speaker 3: love at one stage, and I.
Speaker 1: Wrote okay at least it wasn't okay full stop.
Speaker 2: I was thank you, that's all. And I was like
Speaker 2: Brook and I like another and of our friends were like, Sarah,
Speaker 2: that was so fucking like well laughing like that is
Speaker 2: so cold. He literally like the message.
Speaker 3: Was so nice, But what am I like if someone
Speaker 3: says I love your pigion say I love it.
Speaker 2: You don't worry. I don't think you wrote thank you.
Speaker 3: I did write thank you, but this was the predicament.
Speaker 3: I didn't have those feels at the time.
Speaker 2: So what is we did? Sorry? You did the awkward
Speaker 2: face too, that's awkward. She did the upside down smile.
Speaker 2: I remember now, so that's why we're like, Sarah, that's rude.
Speaker 2: She didn't just write thank you. If you just wrote
Speaker 2: thank you, I'd be like what you say? You wrote
Speaker 2: thank you with the awkward smile. That's when it got awkward.
Speaker 2: I did feel a little bit awkward to trying to do.
Speaker 1: I was like guys in a generation where emojidn't make
Speaker 1: or break the make or break.
Speaker 2: That's what it was.
Speaker 3: That that's why it was cold, and so basically then
Speaker 3: he's ghosted me. That's the moral of the story.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it now.
Speaker 1: He professed his love though, and then like okay, you
Speaker 1: meant to go, yes, I love you too, Let's get
Speaker 1: married and like have you ever after?
Speaker 3: Well? I did do that kind of laid down the
Speaker 3: track because and then I think I scared him.
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's because you took your time and then
Speaker 1: he had a full through sixty and he was.
Speaker 2: Just like, what's happening. What Sarah's mum, who was a
Speaker 2: therapist said to us on the podcast is because you
Speaker 2: made up your mind at the start that you didn't
Speaker 2: really want to friends. Yeah, and that's where he yeah.
Speaker 2: And then that's where I think he was took. Oh
Speaker 2: you know yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was just a whole mixed message situation and
Speaker 1: bad timing. You feel like you were hot when he
Speaker 1: was cold, and he was hol when you were cold.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? Like, it's the universe,
Speaker 2: it's the universe. I mean I could have told you
Speaker 2: him start, he wasn't the right person anyway. Get this.
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what's going to be so hard for
Speaker 1: you to getting each other's approval, Like no one's ever
Speaker 1: going to be good enough for your best friend and
Speaker 1: sister was good?
Speaker 2: Was right? I'm sorry. So my ex and I used
Speaker 2: to live together. I don't think I came there one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will not have this. You will not have
Speaker 1: another person in your life.
Speaker 2: To be fair, like, I was like, I just didn't
Speaker 2: like him, just and it turns out I was right.
Speaker 2: Just for the record, to be fair, I was like,
Speaker 2: if Sarah's happy, she's happy, but were you happy? From
Speaker 2: maybe a tiny bit you were happy, but for the
Speaker 2: rest you were Yeah, it went downhill and you she
Speaker 2: lost herself.
Speaker 1: And that's when I was like, intervention.
Speaker 2: She did roll and roll you. I was like, sorry,
Speaker 2: I just got excited. She gets excited just telling you.
Speaker 2: She's like creeping up the microphones, these noises. Look, you
Speaker 2: haven't been wrong, but I haven't been wrong either. But
Speaker 2: you never said anything about my ex. He was only
Speaker 2: after I didn't ask. I don't like other people's opinions
Speaker 2: because it gets in my head that's way we're different.
Speaker 1: But you like other people's opinions. Or does she just
Speaker 1: give them to you and she just.
Speaker 2: Gives them to me? No, do you know what, she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Give them to me, But her actions speak louder than words.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why the quotes about you too. If I
Speaker 2: don't like someone like, I just you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's actually I think that's actually a good quality.
Speaker 1: Like people find it very I'm such a people pleaser
Speaker 1: that I find that abrupt and people find it abrupt.
Speaker 1: But actually it's the most generous thing you can do
Speaker 1: to be really open about how you feel, like, because
Speaker 1: then no one gets miscommunication.
Speaker 3: Does it upset you being a people pleaser if someone
Speaker 3: doesn't like you, like, how do you navigate that?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just like, how can I bear my soul
Speaker 1: to make you love me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I will go to the end of the earth.
Speaker 1: Like, I've gotten really good at not caring about what
Speaker 1: people think when it doesn't really matter. In terms of
Speaker 1: like on the internet, you're always going to have trials.
Speaker 1: You can't please everyone, Like on that level, I'm really
Speaker 1: good at letting go. But in terms of like more
Speaker 1: intimate things, if someone just doesn't like me and I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure why, I'll just be like Okay, what
Speaker 1: can I do?
Speaker 2: This is project? Make you love me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like that.
Speaker 2: I'm very very sorry. I don't give a shit. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, you don't lie. We don't like me and
Speaker 2: I like who I like. But I also like that.
Speaker 1: That's really refreshing as well, because from someone who can't
Speaker 1: do that, you're really liberated it. We all have limited
Speaker 1: time and energy. It means that you have space people
Speaker 1: you do like.
Speaker 3: Time to learn this though liberated or like not approachable?
Speaker 4: Oh I'm not approaching, That's what.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's because an exterior thing that
Speaker 2: people see on the internet or see stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But then when people start talking to me, they're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're so nice. Yeah you are nice.
Speaker 2: So maybe but I have been told that, but maybe
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: My like it's also like, is approachability of value that
Speaker 1: you care about? Because some people don't care if they're
Speaker 1: approachable or not to people who they don't know.
Speaker 2: Do I do care? Because like, I know, if someone
Speaker 2: came up to me I didn't know them, I would
Speaker 2: always give them the time of day. And for them
Speaker 2: to think that I wouldn't that makes me upset. But
Speaker 2: then I don't care if they do or like me,
Speaker 2: it's different. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know
Speaker 2: what you mean.
Speaker 1: And because you would, you would always stop and have
Speaker 1: a conversation and be absolutely delightful.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, yeah, probably speaks more of the
Speaker 2: other person that feels like they can't approach you.
Speaker 3: Do you think I'm just trying to give you some credit.
Speaker 2: Just trying to soften the blow.
Speaker 1: It's also probably as well because you are known to
Speaker 1: have a really successful brand that's globally. I've had a
Speaker 1: lot of you know what I mean. Like, I think
Speaker 1: people when they know someone already, it's harder to just
Speaker 1: approach them when.
Speaker 2: They like Also, I'm like, you also don't know me,
Speaker 2: Like what is on Instagram is like ten percent of
Speaker 2: my life. Like, yes, okay, I'm real and vulnerable, but
Speaker 2: there's so much more to me or to my life
Speaker 2: than what's on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, Baller as well, Like it's
Speaker 1: hard because you dress so cool, you have such a
Speaker 1: good fashion says no, but seriously, Like that's also tonight. No,
Speaker 1: but you can rock a big hoodie and you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I think also sometimes that's intimidating
Speaker 1: for people.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah, what was your quote? Can I can?
Speaker 3: I guess topic is either go a breakup topic? Okay,
Speaker 3: then it's energy, then maybe it's both.
Speaker 2: Actually sorry again okay, So I am no longer present
Speaker 2: for things that make me feel like shit? You can?
Speaker 3: I just Sarah, wait one second?
Speaker 2: Is that your second quote? Shut Is that your second
Speaker 2: second quote shut up?
Speaker 4: Was?
Speaker 3: Let me just get this, distance yourself from people that
Speaker 3: bring out the person you're not trying to be anymore.
Speaker 2: That's so wild, that is crazy.
Speaker 1: But do you know what knowing you do, it's not
Speaker 1: actually that crazy. It's actually not that crazy.
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if we had the same quote.
Speaker 2: Why did you pick that quote? Because I just what's
Speaker 2: been going on in my life probably the last month,
Speaker 2: I have been withdrawing myself from people that suck my
Speaker 2: energy and make me feel shit as a person. And yeah,
Speaker 2: so I did that, Yeah, because I care about myself
Speaker 2: more at the moment, selfish, but care about myself more
Speaker 2: than other people because I'm a helper.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So for instance, one of our friends, like always feel
Speaker 2: like I need to help, help, help, help, and every
Speaker 2: time I help, she turns shit back on me and
Speaker 2: makes me feel like a shit person, and then I
Speaker 2: take shit on and so I'm like, no, no more
Speaker 2: time for that. I need to actually worry about myself
Speaker 2: and not get involved in that star.
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy though that you had to add a disclaimer? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that sounds selfish. It's actually you're not selfish.
Speaker 1: Role like it's a fundamental thing we should do, but
Speaker 1: we already feel guilty about me, like I put myself first.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry I did that. Yeah, you're right, isn't
Speaker 2: that crazy?
Speaker 3: You might struggle with this too, but I know it's
Speaker 3: something to tell and I learning about. And we have
Speaker 3: for the last couple of years as boundaries. We've always
Speaker 3: had a blurred sense of what boundaries are, and now
Speaker 3: we're actually enforcing them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now people don't know how to interact.
Speaker 3: With us because we're like manna, like, yeah, I'm letting
Speaker 3: you cross over this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's actually even harder to have boundaries when you haven't
Speaker 1: had them before, because it's like you're re teaching people. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you always had them, sorry, it's easier for people
Speaker 1: to know where they stand. But if you've gone from
Speaker 1: being really lax and go with the yeah, like people
Speaker 1: please you, which is exactly what I do. Then the
Speaker 1: day that you realized for self preservation, you have to
Speaker 1: put them in. It's actually harder because no one's like
Speaker 1: you've set up this expectation that you don't have them,
Speaker 1: and then it's like abrupt It like kind of surprises
Speaker 1: people a bit when you're like, oh, actually I can
Speaker 1: use no now.
Speaker 2: It's like what. Yeah. I think COVID has helped with
Speaker 2: that a little bit, like lockdown and stuff. Don't you
Speaker 2: reckon just reevaluating, Like I.
Speaker 1: Think prioritization, I think it's done a lot for true
Speaker 1: people are realizing, like life's too short to be drawn
Speaker 1: into things that really your time and energy is the
Speaker 1: most finite resource that you have, and yet it's the
Speaker 1: thing we spend most freely without really thinking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't get either of those things back.
Speaker 3: One of my other things I'm trying to change is like,
Speaker 3: especially with boundaries, I'm like, instead of having to do
Speaker 3: things for others, like I have to do this for Tully,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, no, I want to do this for
Speaker 3: Tully because then it changes the mindset of me going
Speaker 3: into things.
Speaker 1: Language is such a big thing. You don't think those
Speaker 1: tweaks would make a big difference. But I also do
Speaker 1: that when I get into a similar situation where I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh God, I have to go and do this job
Speaker 1: that I said yes to and I don't really want
Speaker 1: to do. If you change it to I get to
Speaker 1: do this. And I think COVID has changed that as well.
Speaker 1: It's a privilege to be able to go to work
Speaker 1: as a privilege to be able to leave your house,
Speaker 1: and you choose the flavor you kind of give that
Speaker 1: thought as you leave the house. It makes a really
Speaker 1: big difference.
Speaker 3: What made you recognize to switch up your language?
Speaker 1: Ah, I think I noticed just how much it started
Speaker 1: with busy.
Speaker 2: It started with using the word yeah, and it.
Speaker 1: Started with how often I found myself giving that as
Speaker 1: a response when people will say how had things been,
Speaker 1: and like, busy is not a bad thing. It means
Speaker 1: you've got lots of work, it means you've got lots
Speaker 1: of exciting things on. But then it kind of perpetuates
Speaker 1: the mentality of busy and then your rush when you
Speaker 1: like go from your car, like even parking the car
Speaker 1: to come inside. I'm like always walking fast and I
Speaker 1: realized that I was becoming busy as a lifestyle rather
Speaker 1: than like just because I kept saying it. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, maybe I should try and find
Speaker 1: a new word so that I'm not perpetuating this pace thing,
Speaker 1: because everything I try and talk about on this show
Speaker 1: is that actually, you don't need to be busy all
Speaker 1: the time to have good life. You don't even need
Speaker 1: to be busy to be productive, like or happy. And
Speaker 1: so once I started thinking about the impact of that word,
Speaker 1: I was like, what are all the other words?
Speaker 2: Are the way that I.
Speaker 1: Frame things and the other quote I say all the
Speaker 1: time is life is you know ten percent, what happens
Speaker 1: to your ninety percent what you make of it. But
Speaker 1: then I don't do that myself, Like I'll be like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I've got such a busy damn so tired. I don't
Speaker 1: want to do all those things. And then I'm like
Speaker 1: I should be saying what a privilege that I have
Speaker 1: a busy day, Like there are some people who have
Speaker 1: lost their jobs. And I think the whole of last
Speaker 1: year just kind of shocked me into reframing the way
Speaker 1: you think about everything, because that makes every.
Speaker 2: Day a good day. Yea, even the shit days.
Speaker 1: Are like, you know, even when you're exhausted or you're
Speaker 1: burnt out, it's because you've had lots of good things
Speaker 1: to do. They got you there, and so I just try.
Speaker 1: And I don't know just I don't know when it happened,
Speaker 1: but it did start around that whole busy conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, busy is funny. And you know what, one thing
Speaker 2: that annoys me is like, yeah, we're busy, Like I
Speaker 2: think everyone's busy, like everyone's got shit going on. One
Speaker 2: thing that annoys me, And this goes back to like
Speaker 2: dating is I hate when guys are always like, oh,
Speaker 2: but like you wouldn't have time to do dinner because
Speaker 2: you're so busy.
Speaker 1: I'm like they flip it back on it's serious.
Speaker 2: It's like if I I'm like, okay, I'm busy, but
Speaker 2: like not as busy as everyone else, and you can
Speaker 2: make time for things that you want to do. It
Speaker 2: aggravates when people I was like, oh, but you can't
Speaker 2: like oh you can't do that today because you're just
Speaker 2: so busy, and I'm like, oh my god, it's so annoying.
Speaker 2: And apply to studio, Someone's like, oh, you don't do coffee.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, she walk you do Monday. I'm like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 2: Monday is like one of the busiest day is yeah, genuinely.
Speaker 2: And then another girl's like, oh yeah, she she's so
Speaker 2: busy all the time. She has like eight jobs. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I do a lot, but
Speaker 2: I always have time for like things, but the.
Speaker 1: Important thing, yeah, like you'll make time of you if.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's so annoying. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's used in such a negative way.
Speaker 2: I find it really like, I don't know why I
Speaker 2: get offended.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's because it implies that you don't
Speaker 1: have any kind of prioritization, even though you do put
Speaker 1: the things that you.
Speaker 2: Actually get feel I felt offended.
Speaker 3: What's another word where you can use cap hied sometimes
Speaker 3: really or you just say like there's a lot on it.
Speaker 2: It was in my head and I've got a lot
Speaker 2: on at the moment.
Speaker 1: Maybe because busy has got negative connotations. It's like just
Speaker 1: saying there's a lot on is just purely descriptive. It's like, true,
Speaker 1: there is actually a lot of stuff on, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't fit in other things. It's just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny I don't know, it's just interesting. I realized
Speaker 1: how much of an impact the words you used to
Speaker 1: describe things. And you know what, another one, another kind
Speaker 1: of trigger for this whole thing was was the meme
Speaker 1: that not meme but like posts that came out when
Speaker 1: we were in the big lockdown, which was it's not
Speaker 1: I'm I have to stay at home, it's I get
Speaker 1: to stay at home or something like that, and then.
Speaker 3: I get to keep my friends safe and all those
Speaker 3: ones that went all around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in a time where we had so
Speaker 1: little control over our circumstances and what we could do
Speaker 1: each day, the only way to survive it was to
Speaker 1: change the way that you worded things like that, and
Speaker 1: that actually made a big difference because you're like, it
Speaker 1: is a privilege to have a home to stay in,
Speaker 1: and it is a privilege to have a home and
Speaker 1: a job that you can do from home, and like
Speaker 1: enough space that in our five kilometers, you know the radius,
Speaker 1: there's a cafe and there's a park. Like suddenly those
Speaker 1: things actually became something. I was like, if you don't
Speaker 1: value them, like, the world takes away stuff that you
Speaker 1: don't have great gratitude for because otherwise it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not appreciating that, so it'll just go yeah, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, life, I'm turning interview eight. I just how did
Speaker 3: you become so self aware?
Speaker 2: Oh? Good question.
Speaker 1: I think like you guys will probably have the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's every time you push the boundaries too far and
Speaker 1: it's only through. And this is why I sort of
Speaker 1: think that any theory of happiness, including CZA, you can't
Speaker 1: just be about joy. It also has to embrace the
Speaker 1: time for shitty bits, because they're the ones that show
Speaker 1: you and that teach you the self awareness that you
Speaker 1: need to have the good time. So I think it's
Speaker 1: literally been from pushing myself too fast so many times.
Speaker 1: And I hate this cliche phrase, but hitting rock bottom
Speaker 1: where you literally have taken away your energy, You've taken
Speaker 1: away your ability to get out of bed, You've taken
Speaker 1: you know, you've abused every kind of energy, resource and
Speaker 1: skill and talent that you have by just overdoing it.
Speaker 1: And then when you can't get out of bed and
Speaker 1: you can't be productive and you can't like even you know, work,
Speaker 1: those times are when you really have to take a long,
Speaker 1: hard look at yourself and start to notice, like what
Speaker 1: is that about? What are my traits that lead me there?
Speaker 1: What are my traits that make me ignore the signs
Speaker 1: that I was getting that I was heading that way?
Speaker 1: You know, the only way you can build yourself back
Speaker 1: up from things like that is through self awareness. And
Speaker 1: then I think you get reading particular types of literature
Speaker 1: to get through it, and then you start listening more
Speaker 1: actively to different perspectives on life. And the more that happens,
Speaker 1: the more you reflect on the choices you make and
Speaker 1: where they get you, and you start getting curious in your.
Speaker 2: Own gious Yeah, yourself.
Speaker 4: Yes, and you also, I listened to our podcast yesterday,
Speaker 4: so I literally like get to know yourself about twenty
Speaker 4: five thousand times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's true, Like, I think what you realize
Speaker 1: is so much of your earlier life is spent in
Speaker 1: the white noise, Like there's so and in our generation,
Speaker 1: we've gone from not having much in our probably primary
Speaker 1: school years to like the world exploding with noise, Like
Speaker 1: everything is so busy. The details of everyone else's lives
Speaker 1: and choices and lifestyles and circumstances is so visible in
Speaker 1: our lives that I think I spent like a big
Speaker 1: part of my twenties being pulled in all different directions
Speaker 1: of the should and like what looked good and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even answer who I was and what I
Speaker 1: really wanted or even what I was good at. Like
Speaker 1: all those questions were just so obscured by like where
Speaker 1: I should be. And then you realize the best data
Speaker 1: point for having a happy life is how you feel
Speaker 1: and response to everything, And the simplest equation for a
Speaker 1: good life is like, do more of what feels good
Speaker 1: and less of what doesn't. Yeah, But the only way
Speaker 1: you can do that is if you actually listen to
Speaker 1: yourself and notice when you feel good and when you don't.
Speaker 1: Like the same with cutting certain people out, you'll spend
Speaker 1: a long time in a toxic relationship. If you're not
Speaker 1: asking that question because you don't notice it, you feel
Speaker 1: shit afterwards because you have no self awareness of it.
Speaker 1: But once you notice and you're like, that makes me
Speaker 1: feel crap. Yes, you know what to subtract and you
Speaker 1: know what to add more of, and the more you
Speaker 1: do it, the more you're like. Self awareness is the key.
Speaker 3: Yes, I wish I knew this when I was younger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you did not when you were younger,
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't have had the life experience of all
Speaker 1: the things that taught you as well.
Speaker 3: And that's what we say now, Like, yeah, where I
Speaker 3: was gonna hate me, I'm going to say this.
Speaker 2: We're thirty three this month, we collectively.
Speaker 3: And I really enjoy getting older, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And we were.
Speaker 3: Out to dinner the other night we saw these young
Speaker 3: girls and I was like, you could not pay in
Speaker 3: my twenties.
Speaker 2: Again, also at it wouldn't pay myself to be in
Speaker 2: my head when I was a young like the things
Speaker 2: used to go on in my head, like I was
Speaker 2: still kind of probably a little bit like mentally unstable
Speaker 2: with like an eating disorder and stuff, and oh what
Speaker 2: was going on in my head? No way, there's so
Speaker 2: much anger, not taste, so much mess. Oh you were not.
Speaker 2: And then like, you know, we've got a few younger
Speaker 2: friends in like early twenties and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: like some of the stuff that they worry about or
Speaker 2: compare themselves with other people, I'm like, man, I don't
Speaker 2: have time for that shit, honestly, No, I like swear
Speaker 2: to God and like, nah, like isn't it beautiful?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like there's so much social pressure
Speaker 1: around oh your thirties, like yeah, old, and like my
Speaker 1: biggest reflection when I turned thirty was fear of what
Speaker 1: was going to happen because everyone was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're turning thirty. Yeah, But actually the biggest revelation was
Speaker 1: this has been the best acad of my life so
Speaker 1: far because you just drop all the you just shed
Speaker 1: all that shit of your twenties and you just know
Speaker 1: who you are.
Speaker 2: I feel like a little bit more stable, I would say.
Speaker 1: And you don't care what that costs you anymore. I
Speaker 1: feel like you're like, I'm going to be who I am,
Speaker 1: and like if that cost me certain people, then I
Speaker 1: didn't want them anyway. And if I gain new people,
Speaker 1: then they're the new people. Like you're Yeah, it's weird,
Speaker 1: but I feel like this has been really liberating. And
Speaker 1: people say the same about your forties, like you even
Speaker 1: more just come into like this is who I am.
Speaker 1: I'm going to live my life exactly how I want to.
Speaker 1: But who even knew who we were in our twenties.
Speaker 1: I was like twenty five different people in that decade.
Speaker 3: But I got through old photos and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's that phase.
Speaker 1: That's and you can see, like I who I was
Speaker 1: like hanging out with I dress the same?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Like I needed to be a chameleones and that people
Speaker 1: pleasing thing. I took it to like such extremes of
Speaker 1: like I'd just be whoever I was with, like who
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, I just do whatever makes
Speaker 1: everyone happy, Like that's the easiest.
Speaker 3: But in saying that, you've probably picked something from that group,
Speaker 3: something from that group, and then it's molded to you
Speaker 3: to who you are today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it?
Speaker 1: And I think we also like the most exciting thing
Speaker 1: about being around in this day and age is that
Speaker 1: you're not You're no longer expected to be the same person.
Speaker 1: So it's actually okay to evolve every couple of years
Speaker 1: and you don't need to Like I think people have
Speaker 1: this idea that finding your purpose or even like seizing
Speaker 1: your yave, that's how you want to say it is
Speaker 1: this static place that you're going to arrive at one
Speaker 1: day and then you live the.
Speaker 2: Rest of your life in that happy place.
Speaker 1: But the more I've embraced it is like it's going
Speaker 1: to look different every phase, and.
Speaker 3: Who knows what it's going to look like at the
Speaker 3: next phase.
Speaker 1: Even next month. I'm like, I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: to suit my life then or my energy and attention
Speaker 1: because like the world is not the same month to
Speaker 1: month anymore, which is nerve wracking, and the uncertainty is
Speaker 1: like stressful, it's also exciting. You could be anyone, Like
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have gone from like with Tollylou
Speaker 1: for example, with MATCHA, I went from having like a
Speaker 1: five year plan. I don't have a five month plan
Speaker 1: now because who could know what was happening in five months.
Speaker 2: I try not to have like plans like that. I
Speaker 2: know in business and stuff, they say you probably shouldn't.
Speaker 2: We get asked all the time, like where do you
Speaker 2: want to be in like five years, and like we
Speaker 2: have like a rough idea and we're both pretty similar
Speaker 2: in what we want. But like I've just learned to
Speaker 2: just kind of go exactly what you said. Things changes
Speaker 2: so quickly that we just kind of go and we've
Speaker 2: been so lucky that shit just falls into our lap.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, don't reckon, Maybe we're just blessed hashtag.
Speaker 2: Pleas I don't know, Like I know we probably should
Speaker 2: have I mean, like we do have plans, like marketing
Speaker 2: plans and like we know what stuff like that, but
Speaker 2: like as a long term plan, like we no, but
Speaker 2: we do kind of. But I'm like, but we do,
Speaker 2: but we don't. Like it's not in writing, it's not
Speaker 2: in writing.
Speaker 3: But we've had this discussion, like our long term goal
Speaker 3: will be like how how good would it be if
Speaker 3: like majority of women had one pair of Tullulu leggings
Speaker 3: in their closet? Yeah, like that's an ultimate goal of ours.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But isn't it interesting? I feel like when
Speaker 1: you if you had been you know, you said things
Speaker 1: falling into your lab, if you've been so rigidly stuck
Speaker 1: to a particular plan that was like written down, there's
Speaker 1: no but there's no room for those things to go
Speaker 1: into your lab, and you wouldn't recognize them if they
Speaker 1: did arrive, because you'd be like you push away everything
Speaker 1: that it's not that plan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like once upon a time, rigid
Speaker 1: planning helped you soundtrack, and it's still important to it,
Speaker 1: except of course, like otherwise you wouldn't have stock. Yeah, true,
Speaker 1: But like being open minded and like, again it's such
Speaker 1: a cliche word, but surrendering has been such a valuable
Speaker 1: skill over the last eighteen months because you don't really
Speaker 1: you can't control so much, so being open to things
Speaker 1: falling into your lap and rolling with them. I think
Speaker 1: businesses that survive are the ones that are really adaptable agile.
Speaker 2: I would say, we're pretty chill, Like we're chill when
Speaker 2: it comes to business, like maybe and you know what, sometimes,
Speaker 2: and we've had this discussion over the last few months,
Speaker 2: I find it frustrating that we are so chill, Like
Speaker 2: you watch other brands might have come up after us,
Speaker 2: Like obviously we're probably one of the longest standing other
Speaker 2: than like Larna Jane and like Nike and stuff. When
Speaker 2: sports like sports Lucks kind of came in, we're probably
Speaker 2: one of the longest standing brands before all the other ones.
Speaker 2: And when you see brands come up like just say
Speaker 2: like two years ago, three years ago, and you see
Speaker 2: where they are now and you know it might be
Speaker 2: kind of where you want it to be, that's frustrating.
Speaker 2: And then sometimes I think, Okay, maybe we're too chill.
Speaker 2: We need to like fucking step it up and stop
Speaker 2: like you know, being maybe a bit more fierce in
Speaker 2: a way that's frustrating. Other than that, I would say
Speaker 2: we're pretty chill. But I think it's a disadvantage in
Speaker 2: some way. It's funny.
Speaker 1: I also think sometimes when you look at stuff like that,
Speaker 1: a you're looking at the outside of what you see
Speaker 1: from those businesses, what it is. You don't know what
Speaker 1: it's been there, like you, Yeah, you don't know what
Speaker 1: it costs them to get there. But I also think
Speaker 1: all the time, like, what has it allowed you by
Speaker 1: having that chill attitude to achieve in your lives, like
Speaker 1: not just your working lives and not just in the business,
Speaker 1: but in your overall.
Speaker 2: Life less stress?
Speaker 1: Yes, And I actually have come to think, like often
Speaker 1: I had this with Matter and I still sometimes have
Speaker 1: this with Czam, like.
Speaker 2: Oh, there are podcasts who started like a year after me.
Speaker 2: You've got like double the downlods and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But I look at what it costs them to do that,
Speaker 1: and that quote of like if anything costs you your piece,
Speaker 1: it's too expensive for me. The trade off of having
Speaker 1: more flexibility over my time and not smashing myself like
Speaker 1: I used to is actually worth more to me. Like
Speaker 1: you can't have both, you can't have. Some people appear
Speaker 1: like they can have both, but often it's like the
Speaker 1: sacrifice that it took them they've had, not had things
Speaker 1: that you guys have been able to enjoy by doing that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, we've lived a pretty good life, oh
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But like, definitely, I wouldn't say our
Speaker 2: life is stressful. No, I mean it can, you know,
Speaker 2: like same with everyone. Life can be stressful, but I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say our business is stressful, which is amazing and we've.
Speaker 3: Had amazing growth the last few years.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I always talk about, like in
Speaker 1: the CZO book, is that micro macro thing, Like we
Speaker 1: judge our lives so much based on the macro of
Speaker 1: what it sounds like or what it looks like in
Speaker 1: comparison to the rest of the landscape, but actually the
Speaker 1: only thing that matters is micro, which is how you
Speaker 1: feel every single day. And if you feel good and
Speaker 1: unstressed most of the time, like that, what could be
Speaker 1: more valuable?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say. The only time I think we get
Speaker 2: stress is when you're just overwhelmed with a not gonna
Speaker 2: use word busy, but like we've got a lot going
Speaker 2: or something like that, and you're like, shit, I actually
Speaker 2: have a lot to do, but it wouldn't be a
Speaker 2: stress that I'm like I can't sleep and you can't function.
Speaker 2: But it's so funny you say that before about like
Speaker 2: the outside and stuff, because we're talking about this the
Speaker 2: other day. It's like maybe like four years ago or
Speaker 2: something like we've always like, the brand's always done well,
Speaker 2: but there've been periods where we're like, fuck, there's not
Speaker 2: much money bank in the banking now, no, like it
Speaker 2: one hundred percent and like and then people are like,
Speaker 2: oh House, Telly're like, oh my god, it's so amazing,
Speaker 2: and you do because half of you are like you
Speaker 2: know what, people don't know what happens behind scenes. You
Speaker 2: want everyone to sound like you're doing amazing. And we
Speaker 2: used to do this all the time, like yeah, we're
Speaker 2: fucking killing it. Like we've been back and forth from
Speaker 2: LA like amazing and literally we had like ten thousand
Speaker 2: dollars in banking. Yeah, and you're just like holy shit.
Speaker 2: But and I when Sarah would say, and I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there in my ham like we're really fucking not. But
Speaker 2: you would just fake it. And that's been one thing
Speaker 2: in business that I've always done, is like fake it
Speaker 2: to you make it, like just in maybe not at
Speaker 2: that such, but like even in meetings, like you sit
Speaker 2: down in meetings like just say we're in La in
Speaker 2: the soul cycle and like, okay, can you design these
Speaker 2: six styles and have them in three months? I'm like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: oh ye walk out, and Sarah and I are like,
Speaker 2: how the fuck are we going to do it? And
Speaker 2: you know what, We'll fucking make it happen and we'll
Speaker 2: get it done. So that's what I mean when I
Speaker 2: say fake it to you make it. But then maybe.
Speaker 3: Us as people, I think we we could have benefited
Speaker 3: from being having all go yeah, our more vulnerable conversations, yeah,
Speaker 3: and been like and you know.
Speaker 2: By us being a little bit more vulnerable and not
Speaker 2: letting our ego in the way, maybe we open up
Speaker 2: to someone that day and be like, you know, actually
Speaker 2: we're not doing very well, and maybe that might have
Speaker 2: opened us to an opportunity of an investor, or an
Speaker 2: opportunity of like a stockist. But we were so like
Speaker 2: we didn't want anyone it was embarrassing. Yeah, well I
Speaker 2: was embarrassed because you don't want anyone to know, so
Speaker 2: you just keep it to yourself. But maybe we should
Speaker 2: have been more real and vulnerable, and maybe that's a
Speaker 2: lesson because you don't know who you're talking to that
Speaker 2: may be able to help you totally. People can't help
Speaker 2: you if they don't don't exactly and would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: we'll just go to our dads like can you Like yes,
Speaker 2: you do mean, but wait, maybe we should have been
Speaker 2: more vulnerable, but do you know?
Speaker 3: And speaking to other business people since becoming more honest,
Speaker 3: they're going.
Speaker 2: Through exactly the same struggle.
Speaker 3: You think you're the only ones going through that struggle
Speaker 3: at the time, but then you open up and you're
Speaker 3: like they're They're like, no, we've got these problems to you. Like,
Speaker 3: so then you talk and you figure out ways.
Speaker 2: To get Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's the best part of the business landscape
Speaker 1: now is that it's much more open and much more transparent.
Speaker 1: And it means that because you don't have colleagues like
Speaker 1: you really go from not you know, from being in
Speaker 1: a nine to five where you have a team and
Speaker 1: you have a really clear support structure. Even just like water,
Speaker 1: like literally water cooler chats, you have those to ventilate, Hey,
Speaker 1: feeling that day and what's ship and everyone goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: we doo. But in business it can be really isolated.
Speaker 2: And you do you take stuff personally? Yeah, Like I
Speaker 2: definitely do. I'm like, oh, we've only got ten thousand
Speaker 2: dollars in bank account, like a reflection of my value. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But the minute.
Speaker 1: Someone else says me too, you're like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, normal. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you feel that though, in the sense when we're
Speaker 3: saying that, we're like that we're in our like mid
Speaker 3: twenties and we thought we had to project this successful business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in a way, like we were like we
Speaker 2: were having celebrities in the Celebrities don't really make sales sometimes,
Speaker 2: but like we did. We had like celebrities wearing stuff.
Speaker 2: We had all this, but like, where the hell's the money? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, sometimes your biggest growth chapters that look the most
Speaker 1: fancy are the ones where your.
Speaker 2: Cashlow was the worst. Yeah. Yeah, all the.
Speaker 1: Time, I'd be like I literally am eating two minute noodles.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know, people make jokes about two minute noodles. But
Speaker 1: some weeks were like there is no.
Speaker 2: Cash yeah yeah, and it's like, yeah, it's you know what,
Speaker 2: it's liberating now because you're like, oh shit, like it's
Speaker 2: kind of cool to see where you are in the growth,
Speaker 2: but at the time it's actually that's when I would
Speaker 2: say it was probably the most stressful time is when
Speaker 2: you see money getting quickly drained. You're like shit, that's
Speaker 2: probably when I've probably been the most stressed in business
Speaker 2: is to do with money.
Speaker 3: We've also changed our relationship and energy around money, like
Speaker 3: money in, money out that kind of like you accept
Speaker 3: that it's going to come back, and things like the
Speaker 3: flow ebb and flow.
Speaker 2: And also like in business, I think it's important obviously
Speaker 2: to like, if you've got the cash is to invest
Speaker 2: money to make money. So that was something that we
Speaker 2: will always like oof, like you'd rather have it sitting there,
Speaker 2: and then we're like, no, fuck this, we need to
Speaker 2: like you know, invest money in this area because that's
Speaker 2: going to like triple our money. Yeah, but at one
Speaker 2: stage we're too scared to do that. But now we're
Speaker 2: like being smarter and maybe that does to do with age.
Speaker 1: It's so and also just like progression, like it's a
Speaker 1: different chapter because you've been through one chapter and seeing
Speaker 1: that like that actually that scarcity like I need to
Speaker 1: hold onto it in case next month I can't pay
Speaker 1: the bills. I think, like, yeah, it comes with experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, is what the next phase looks like. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's so exciting.
Speaker 1: I love this so much because like in you know, two,
Speaker 1: three years or five years or whatever, we'll sit down
Speaker 1: again and like be like remember that last chat, were
Speaker 1: just like this is.
Speaker 2: Seriously.
Speaker 3: I had a conversation with my brother not that long
Speaker 3: ago and I was like, oh, I'm getting a bit overwhelmed,
Speaker 3: like we're getting to the next stage in the business,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I kind of feel out of
Speaker 3: my depth because I don't know. And he's like, but
Speaker 3: you don't know, Sarah, but you will learn it. And
Speaker 3: it's like that means you're growing, Like I feel like
Speaker 3: you actually go through real roller coasters of like coasting
Speaker 3: or you know exactly that you turn out to work
Speaker 3: and you're like I've got this, which is amazing. It's
Speaker 3: such a lovely feeling. But that's when you're like I'm
Speaker 3: not growing. Yeah, I'm like I'm coasting because I know this.
Speaker 3: And now that nervous feeling when you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: we're going to a new chapter. That's the one where
Speaker 3: like the discomfort means that you're evolving, which is the
Speaker 3: best sign.
Speaker 2: It just feels shit. At the time, I said that
Speaker 2: because a couple of months ago we were talking about
Speaker 2: the business. I'm like, Sarah, like I'm flat, like not motivated.
Speaker 2: I feel like nothing's progressing. Like even though it was,
Speaker 2: I just felt flat and I'm like, we need to
Speaker 2: like go to the next level, like and what is that?
Speaker 2: But I'm like I was so flat and we're just like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. And then we had a few conversations
Speaker 2: with people and then you get like this burst of
Speaker 2: fire and that nervous and exciting feeling like, oh, actually,
Speaker 2: like this is an exciting phase. But I was at
Speaker 2: I was at the end of that second phase where
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, I'm done, like I'm walking, like
Speaker 2: not walking, but like if it's going to simulate this
Speaker 2: for another year, I can't do this. I'm not motivated nothing.
Speaker 2: And then just one thing happens and you're like, oh fuck, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's that excitement again. And that happens all not all
Speaker 2: the time, but like no, pretty pretty like it's emotional.
Speaker 1: Absolutely because I do a lot and it doesn't I
Speaker 1: feel like this and this is why you guys talking
Speaker 1: about it is so reassuring and actually like probably provides
Speaker 1: more value than when you're like it's going really well
Speaker 1: to people listening, is that it is a really big
Speaker 1: emotional Rollercoasters run a business, and if you look back
Speaker 1: at your emotional kind of like if you saw it
Speaker 1: as like a heart rate monitor, your emotion's going up
Speaker 1: and down versus the business's success going up and down,
Speaker 1: they're not related.
Speaker 2: Like you could have a really.
Speaker 1: Down week in a week where everything is gone amazingly
Speaker 1: and it doesn't make sense to you, and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, why am I flat?
Speaker 1: Everything's amazing, and then the next week everything shit, but
Speaker 1: you're feeling really motivated and like I've got fire in
Speaker 1: my belly, Like it doesn't have to make sense, but
Speaker 1: you just ride the wave because it's it's that's that's
Speaker 1: one of the costs. Like it's not a stable nine
Speaker 1: to five jobs, so your emotional state isn't going to
Speaker 1: be stable in nine to five. But that means you
Speaker 1: do get the highs and you do get like the lows,
Speaker 1: and it's just more dynamic because you can kind of
Speaker 1: ride that wave. But I think people hearing that that
Speaker 1: is what you go through probably validates their own experience
Speaker 1: not worrying like, oh my God, I'm doing this wrong
Speaker 1: because I'm having a shit day.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, that's part of it. That's normal.
Speaker 3: And even most recent we've had a couple of younger
Speaker 3: friends come to us and they're really lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're just like I'm lost.
Speaker 3: Every day tiles response, She's like, I don't know who
Speaker 3: I am still, it's the thing everyday, Like what you're
Speaker 3: feeling now, I feel too.
Speaker 2: There's a ten year age gap, honestly, Like, honestly you
Speaker 2: feel lost and that all the time. It's just like
Speaker 2: but I think a lot of people that are younger
Speaker 2: like think and this has got to do with like
Speaker 2: social media and the way that this day, like this
Speaker 2: world runs is like everyone just wants shit now. And
Speaker 2: we're a perfect example of you literally have to climb
Speaker 2: the ladder so slow, like tell you lose eight years old,
Speaker 2: Like it's taken a long time to get where we are.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of young people are like,
Speaker 2: I'm astat a business throw I'm going to make this
Speaker 2: amount of money. It's going to be fucking amazing, you know,
Speaker 2: Like Okay, some businesses amazing like get overnight success, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't work like that. And I've always got this saying,
Speaker 2: and I say it all the time on podcasts because
Speaker 2: Lola Berry told me once and I was like, fuck,
Speaker 2: you're so right. It's like the slower you climb the ladder,
Speaker 2: the more successful you will be. The quicker you climb
Speaker 2: the ladder, you're successful exactly. And I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, you are so right. I've always remembered that.
Speaker 2: And I look at some businesses that had success very
Speaker 2: quickly and aren't around anymore, and I'm like, you're still
Speaker 2: here to tell it exactly. I can't always remember that,
Speaker 2: and maybe we need to tell that person that because
Speaker 2: I feel like they want their success very quickly.
Speaker 1: It is hard. We are in a really integratuity focused society,
Speaker 1: and so patience is like the one thing that we
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of, but it's rewarded over and
Speaker 1: over again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Even if you were talking before about self awareness, like
Speaker 1: you want to be this enlightened human being that's like
Speaker 1: in purpose to criticism and comparison and self doubt, but
Speaker 1: like even that happens bit by bit. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: meant to like imagine if you were just all sortied
Speaker 1: and everything was going perfectly.
Speaker 2: We're just so boring. Yeah, what would they do? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's so funny because I recently went through a breakup
Speaker 2: and I spoke to our friend Christian, you know Christian
Speaker 2: Rocky and like, of course, like one of your friends
Speaker 2: that you go to, and he was saying to me,
Speaker 2: I was like, I hate this feeling like it's so shit,
Speaker 2: Like I hate being sad and like going through this.
Speaker 2: I just wish life was easy. And he said to me,
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, but if life was easy, if life
Speaker 2: was like that, it wouldn't be fun and it'd be
Speaker 2: boring because you wouldn't be going through those emotions all
Speaker 2: the time. I was like, fuck, you're actually right, Like
Speaker 2: the more emotions you go through and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: it kind of as much as it's sad, it's kind
Speaker 2: of exciting because you're not, like you a straight line,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Recognize happiness if you didn't have it.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when people like they often say I
Speaker 1: would love summer all year, but if you don't have winter,
Speaker 1: like you don't have any cycle to your time. And
Speaker 1: so people who live like, if you look at all
Speaker 1: the big scientific discoveries or like big you know, events
Speaker 1: or innovations that come out of the world. None of
Speaker 1: them are on the equator because people there, oh it's
Speaker 1: warm all the time and they have no like cyclical
Speaker 1: nature and no time to create, hibernate and come back out,
Speaker 1: and it's just slow. Like life is just slow, the.
Speaker 2: Same every day. It's the same year. You know. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't like that as much as I hate winter. It's
Speaker 2: like the seasons because you naturally change the seasons.
Speaker 1: And how interesting is that? Because I was like, ovidly,
Speaker 1: if I could pick to have somewher all the time,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, but then I wouldn't appreciate.
Speaker 1: Summer because you know, in winter when it just gets
Speaker 1: to spring, you start to smell like the.
Speaker 2: Change and they're like, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You don't get that, and so they literally don't invent
Speaker 1: anything because you like they're just sleepy and warm.
Speaker 2: I was like, seasons have a reason, actually, yeah, like
Speaker 2: that is my favorite time of the year. In the air. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh the future, yeah, that's going to get
Speaker 2: drinks like it's fine. That's probably one of my biggest
Speaker 2: life lessons of the last year is like exactly what
Speaker 2: you said, everything's in seasons, everything's in cycles, like.
Speaker 3: The moon comes in cycles, everything comes in ebbs.
Speaker 1: And oh my god, I saw the funniest me the
Speaker 1: other day and I have laughed for more time than
Speaker 1: I should have laughed. But it was like lockdown one,
Speaker 1: lockdown two, lockdown three two, lock two down, lockdown, ton't
Speaker 1: get drift.
Speaker 2: You were here. I was like, oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't joke.
Speaker 1: Literally, you can't go right like you have to have
Speaker 1: a lot, I.
Speaker 3: Know, seriously, we can laugh about it while we're free.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, because we're like the only the whole flow,
Speaker 1: the whole country.
Speaker 2: Turned to laugh. And let's hope it stays like well.
Speaker 1: To finish up, guys, while we have been in freedom,
Speaker 1: but particularly as a little recommendation for anyone who isn't
Speaker 1: and who needs a little pick me up, are there
Speaker 1: any books or movies or shows that you watched recently
Speaker 1: or when we were in lockdown recently that kind of
Speaker 1: gave you a bit of a smile or a bit
Speaker 1: of a yay in your heart.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Sarah's going to say the same things, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, one of you.
Speaker 2: I don't know. So the show Love on the Spectrum
Speaker 2: season season two. Oh my god, if you don't watch
Speaker 2: that show, that is like the most heart warming ab demand.
Speaker 2: It's not funny, like, it's not hilarious funny. It's just
Speaker 2: how open and raw they are and how they say
Speaker 2: what they think. It's very cute and funny. That just
Speaker 2: endearing in the heart. That makes me feel so good.
Speaker 2: I really enjoy watching. I'm obsessed with Michael. And I'm
Speaker 2: going to say book, and it's quite relevant to what
Speaker 2: we're talking about because we're talking about business. But Samantha
Speaker 2: Will's book If You Run a Business is fucking so
Speaker 2: inspiring and really amazing of golden dust. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's such a good book.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say I watched the film Luca.
Speaker 2: The other night that watch that.
Speaker 3: I watched that with my niece and one watching it
Speaker 3: through her eyes and just like the pure joy and excitement.
Speaker 3: I really loved that. But it also made me want
Speaker 3: to travel again.
Speaker 2: Because it's Italy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I really enjoyed that. And book I actually
Speaker 3: can't remember the title, but our friend Minage I bought
Speaker 3: his book recently was Open Heart or something still Connected or.
Speaker 2: Open Heart?
Speaker 1: But I love he's been on the show. He's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So he's released his first book and it's a lot
Speaker 3: about like meditation, Buddhism, it's a lot about social media
Speaker 3: and the disconnectedness in our society.
Speaker 2: So I'm finding that really interesting.
Speaker 3: Women.
Speaker 2: Not yet you can have it after I can say,
Speaker 2: maybe you can have something that with one. But my
Speaker 2: mom took it. I'm gonna have to get it back
Speaker 2: off her, and she's gonna read it. She won't read it.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes looking at life through children's eyes,
Speaker 1: like being around them, Like you can go a really
Speaker 1: long time if you don't have friends with kids and
Speaker 1: not be around a child, and then once you are.
Speaker 2: Again, you're like so true. They just bring you to.
Speaker 3: This different level, this pure joy and excitement.
Speaker 2: And even like my sisters just had twins and I'm
Speaker 2: like five months they're so cute. They obviously like I
Speaker 2: can't really see the joy and excitement. But sometimes because
Speaker 2: they're so young, sometimes they laugh and stuff. But the
Speaker 2: one thing that I like, I love going to her
Speaker 2: house and just staring at them and I'm like, you
Speaker 2: girls are so lucky, Like you have your life ahead
Speaker 2: of you and you've got no worry in the world.
Speaker 2: Like and I had Aria on my knee yesterday and
Speaker 2: she was like, and I was talking to around like
Speaker 2: your cabin chats. Yeah, she like kind of talks back
Speaker 2: to you, but you have to talk to her like
Speaker 2: just with noises. And I was like, Ari, you're so
Speaker 2: like like this is the happiest time of your life.
Speaker 2: You've got no idea what is going on in the world.
Speaker 1: I'm like, sleep and sleep.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all you do is eat sleep, shit, eat
Speaker 2: sleep shit. Few like literally like they're so like.
Speaker 1: They're just unburdened, like the weight of the world.
Speaker 2: And even like how like they make my mum and
Speaker 2: dad so happy. It's like so cute. What are your recommendations?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: TV?
Speaker 1: So much TV, so much TV. But the problem is
Speaker 1: I'm too busy, guys, I'm too occupied. There's too much
Speaker 1: on the problem is that my big ya. And again
Speaker 1: this comes down to sell awareness, Like I figured out
Speaker 1: the things that really helped my brain disconnect and that
Speaker 1: I find really I lose time, Like that's how I
Speaker 1: measure If I forget what time it is, then I've
Speaker 1: actually had a break.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem is they're all like hectic serial
Speaker 1: killer movies.
Speaker 2: So you guys know this.
Speaker 1: I'm so in crime and war and spy stories, which
Speaker 1: are all fascinating, but they're not exactly like yes, I
Speaker 1: felt the ya for just like interesting.
Speaker 2: I watched a crime one recently.
Speaker 3: I've been oh, that it's French one on Netflix.
Speaker 2: Yes, isn't.
Speaker 1: No, they dubbed it, dubbed it.
Speaker 2: I can't watch dubbed. It's actually really good. I binged
Speaker 2: that one was my head in and I'm like, oh, like, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I need to watch it. Then I thought it's
Speaker 2: come a long way.
Speaker 1: It's the dubbing, like some people didn't notice until a
Speaker 1: little bit of the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, maybe you do that. But yeah, it's that
Speaker 2: one's really.
Speaker 1: Good because it's not like heavy. It's not intense, it's
Speaker 1: not doing you know, it's it's like got a kind
Speaker 1: of lighthearted humor to it.
Speaker 2: What's heavy to you?
Speaker 1: Like killing, like proper murder, like a love a murder mystery.
Speaker 3: You would have watched that one on stand and the
Speaker 3: Judge with the dad of Malcolm in the middle is it?
Speaker 3: You know, it's a series? Watch that, Like, I.
Speaker 2: Couldn't even watch that Hotel Cecil or whatever.
Speaker 1: I love that stuff.
Speaker 2: I watch it, watch it.
Speaker 3: I couldn't watch that The Judge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really I don't know what it is. I
Speaker 1: think maybe because it's so distant from my actual life
Speaker 1: experience that I love all kinds of genres, but the
Speaker 1: one that really distracts me, like actually makes me switch
Speaker 1: off from my to do list is like true crime
Speaker 1: or crime fiction for.
Speaker 2: That, Like Love Island started yesterday, so I'll watch that tonight.
Speaker 2: See I'm not a reality but it's my version of reality.
Speaker 2: I don't think of anything else. I'm like, so fixated
Speaker 2: is your legal brain kicking and you try and solve it?
Speaker 2: Not really, I don't watch.
Speaker 1: I don't watch like I do watch. I do watch
Speaker 1: Lauren Otta, but I don't watch like the court.
Speaker 2: Bit of it.
Speaker 1: It's more like the detective bit of it. And I
Speaker 1: think because it's there enough of a story that you
Speaker 1: have to pay attention, like you can't be on your
Speaker 1: phone if you want to know what's happening. But they're
Speaker 1: not so much that you get tired, Like it's not
Speaker 1: like a docco Whi're like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like fully engaged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in terms of like joyful things. I also
Speaker 1: read and watch a lot of things that are like
Speaker 1: super uplifting, but I just like, I can't think of
Speaker 1: any from the last particular week. But the guy from
Speaker 1: Lupin the Actor is in and I've already used this
Speaker 1: as a recommendation before, but if you haven't heard it,
Speaker 1: he's also in a French movie called The Untouchable.
Speaker 2: I say that that's so sad. Did we talk about
Speaker 2: that or no, we talked about it. One of my
Speaker 2: favorite films Everone in the Wheelchair that is so sad
Speaker 2: but so beautiful. It's so heard warming. Yeah movie and
Speaker 2: a true story and a true story. I think they
Speaker 2: think two of those, the American ones no good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've watched the original because it was subtitles to and
Speaker 2: then I watch American one. That wasn't that good.
Speaker 1: The French one is. I think French film is just
Speaker 1: really subtle, like there's something about it.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful movie actually.
Speaker 1: And I love that even though it was a French movie,
Speaker 1: it became like like you guys have seen it, like
Speaker 1: lots of people in English speaking in.
Speaker 2: The English speaking once because you told me to.
Speaker 1: It is like one of the most heart Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really is actually like heart wrenching but heartwarming humanity loving movies. Ever, So,
Speaker 1: if you guys need a little bit of a pick
Speaker 1: me up and you haven't heard my recommendation in that
Speaker 1: movie that I've used like eight times, The Untouchables.
Speaker 2: I've got one more movie and it's kind of a
Speaker 2: little bit like that. Like it's really I've never cried
Speaker 2: so much in a movie. Like it was so sad,
Speaker 2: but it was also really like heartwarming towards the end.
Speaker 2: I think I've told you to watch His Miracle in
Speaker 2: a Cell Number seven. I think it's in Turkey, but
Speaker 2: it's and it's subtitles. It is Oh my god. I
Speaker 2: cried from the start until the end, Oh my God,
Speaker 2: like sad cry, but then there was like happy cray.
Speaker 2: When's that? It's on Netflix? And I woke up the
Speaker 2: next day and I looked like a blowfish. I cried
Speaker 2: that much. It was so sad but just so beautiful
Speaker 2: towards the end.
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of blowfish, have you guys watched My Octopus Teacher?
Speaker 2: Yes? What's that? Oh? Got a documentary on Netflix.
Speaker 1: I can't use that one because I used it last week,
Speaker 1: But Octopus Teacher is also like a documentary.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I was the same.
Speaker 1: I was like a documentary, ill be animal documentary. I
Speaker 1: love animals, but it wouldn't be the first thing I'd
Speaker 1: go to. And we just put it on the background
Speaker 1: because everyone had been.
Speaker 2: Raving about it for so long.
Speaker 1: It is so beautiful. Really, it's so fascinating.
Speaker 2: Because I started to watch what's that Sea one?
Speaker 1: Sea Spiracy, but that's kind of more political.
Speaker 2: This one's just beautiful. This is a heartwarming. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I need to watch it, but I just see
Speaker 2: those things and I was like, oh no, I'll watch
Speaker 2: are like selling Sunset? I love selling Sunset. It's like,
Speaker 2: this is how a difference, so where Sarah and I
Speaker 2: are similar, but we're different. So every time in the morning,
Speaker 2: I was just like on the age, I'm like on
Speaker 2: Daily Mail, I'm actually driving here.
Speaker 3: I thought that you put up you were singing to
Speaker 3: some gangster song and here yeah, on your Instagram story
Speaker 3: and here I am listening to nineties throwbacks.
Speaker 1: Like how do you guys do road troops? Like how
Speaker 1: do you do music?
Speaker 2: Choice? Really get a choice?
Speaker 3: Because she doesn't want to listen to Dixie Chicks.
Speaker 2: You're into no Sarah's like, oh Landslide Dixie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So what's your like happy music? Because I
Speaker 1: think something I forgot during COVID when we weren't driving,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't just plumping the tunes you forget in
Speaker 1: just around your house to put music on, but it
Speaker 1: actually changes.
Speaker 2: Your movie definitely every day. What's your happy song or
Speaker 2: happy songs? See, I listened to like hip hop and rap,
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't say they're like my happy songs. I
Speaker 2: like listening to like playlists from like when we're in La,
Speaker 2: like maybe like memory, yes, like we've got some playlists
Speaker 2: and like even like when we went to Coachella that year,
Speaker 2: like even some people performed. They're like I'll listen to
Speaker 2: those kind of things.
Speaker 1: But it gives you like a butterfly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like I've got this thing with Ed
Speaker 2: Sharant like I lovesurance. Yeah, it makes me happy. I
Speaker 2: don't know, But then I love hip hop and rap.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have picked a weird.
Speaker 3: I helped in a car the other day and it
Speaker 3: was old school justin Bieber and I didn't say anything,
Speaker 3: but I was like, what are we listening to?
Speaker 2: I can imagine listening to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes I put on Baby Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I just was looking through my Spotify and I was like,
Speaker 2: I feel like listening to something.
Speaker 3: Old, yeah, nineties like throwback.
Speaker 2: I like Asap Rocky, like Little Yachty, like the Baby SA.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I love you guys so much, so different. That's the best.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys so much for joining. This has
Speaker 1: been such a yay and I hope it's kicked off
Speaker 1: everyone's week with a few chuckles.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having