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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneur

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to yeas of our lives, beautiful people. I

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Speaker 1: hope you're being gentle on yourselves during another crazy year.

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Speaker 1: So sending everyone lots of love. Perfect time to send

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Speaker 1: and Sarah Welcome to CZA.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 3: I decided this is my first time on CZA.

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Speaker 2: It's both of your first times on CBA, and I

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Speaker 1: I love it every time. I think that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, guys, so I get you today, get yes, phone out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think this quote relates to both of us. If

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Speaker 1: I reckon, it's probably going to be the same one.

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Speaker 3: Why I think it applies to both Tully and I

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Speaker 2: Sarah didn't name this. How wild is that? That is wild? God?

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Speaker 2: She's so much nice she's like a warm person, but

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00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 2: she's like cold, like he'll write really know you are

438
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 2: She had admit it.

439
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 3: He wrote me a really lovely message, like confessing his

440
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,360
Speaker 3: love at one stage, and I.

441
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: Wrote okay at least it wasn't okay full stop.

442
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: I was thank you, that's all. And I was like

443
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 2: Brook and I like another and of our friends were like, Sarah,

444
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 2: that was so fucking like well laughing like that is

445
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 2: so cold. He literally like the message.

446
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: Was so nice, But what am I like if someone

447
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 3: says I love your pigion say I love it.

448
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: You don't worry. I don't think you wrote thank you.

449
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 3: I did write thank you, but this was the predicament.

450
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 3: I didn't have those feels at the time.

451
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: So what is we did? Sorry? You did the awkward

452
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 2: face too, that's awkward. She did the upside down smile.

453
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: I remember now, so that's why we're like, Sarah, that's rude.

454
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 2: She didn't just write thank you. If you just wrote

455
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: thank you, I'd be like what you say? You wrote

456
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 2: thank you with the awkward smile. That's when it got awkward.

457
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: I did feel a little bit awkward to trying to do.

458
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: I was like guys in a generation where emojidn't make

459
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: or break the make or break.

460
00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: That's what it was.

461
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 3: That that's why it was cold, and so basically then

462
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 3: he's ghosted me. That's the moral of the story.

463
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: I don't understand it now.

464
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: He professed his love though, and then like okay, you

465
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: meant to go, yes, I love you too, Let's get

466
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: married and like have you ever after?

467
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: Well? I did do that kind of laid down the

468
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: track because and then I think I scared him.

469
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's because you took your time and then

470
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: he had a full through sixty and he was.

471
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: Just like, what's happening. What Sarah's mum, who was a

472
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: therapist said to us on the podcast is because you

473
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: made up your mind at the start that you didn't

474
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 2: really want to friends. Yeah, and that's where he yeah.

475
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: And then that's where I think he was took. Oh

476
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 2: you know yeah. Yeah.

477
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: So it was just a whole mixed message situation and

478
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: bad timing. You feel like you were hot when he

479
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: was cold, and he was hol when you were cold.

480
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? Like, it's the universe,

481
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: it's the universe. I mean I could have told you

482
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 2: him start, he wasn't the right person anyway. Get this.

483
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what's going to be so hard for

484
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: you to getting each other's approval, Like no one's ever

485
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 1: going to be good enough for your best friend and

486
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: sister was good?

487
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 2: Was right? I'm sorry. So my ex and I used

488
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: to live together. I don't think I came there one.

489
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will not have this. You will not have

490
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: another person in your life.

491
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: To be fair, like, I was like, I just didn't

492
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: like him, just and it turns out I was right.

493
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: Just for the record, to be fair, I was like,

494
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: if Sarah's happy, she's happy, but were you happy? From

495
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: maybe a tiny bit you were happy, but for the

496
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 2: rest you were Yeah, it went downhill and you she

497
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: lost herself.

498
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: And that's when I was like, intervention.

499
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: She did roll and roll you. I was like, sorry,

500
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: I just got excited. She gets excited just telling you.

501
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: She's like creeping up the microphones, these noises. Look, you

502
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: haven't been wrong, but I haven't been wrong either. But

503
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: you never said anything about my ex. He was only

504
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: after I didn't ask. I don't like other people's opinions

505
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: because it gets in my head that's way we're different.

506
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: But you like other people's opinions. Or does she just

507
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: give them to you and she just.

508
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: Gives them to me? No, do you know what, she doesn't.

509
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: Give them to me, But her actions speak louder than words.

510
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: Well, that's why the quotes about you too. If I

511
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: don't like someone like, I just you know.

512
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's actually I think that's actually a good quality.

513
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 1: Like people find it very I'm such a people pleaser

514
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: that I find that abrupt and people find it abrupt.

515
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: But actually it's the most generous thing you can do

516
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: to be really open about how you feel, like, because

517
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: then no one gets miscommunication.

518
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: Does it upset you being a people pleaser if someone

519
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 3: doesn't like you, like, how do you navigate that?

520
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just like, how can I bear my soul

521
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: to make you love me?

522
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I will go to the end of the earth.

523
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: Like, I've gotten really good at not caring about what

524
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: people think when it doesn't really matter. In terms of

525
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: like on the internet, you're always going to have trials.

526
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: You can't please everyone, Like on that level, I'm really

527
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: good at letting go. But in terms of like more

528
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: intimate things, if someone just doesn't like me and I'm

529
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: not really sure why, I'll just be like Okay, what

530
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: can I do?

531
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: This is project? Make you love me? Yeah?

532
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like that.

533
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 2: I'm very very sorry. I don't give a shit. I'm

534
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: just like, you don't lie. We don't like me and

535
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: I like who I like. But I also like that.

536
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: That's really refreshing as well, because from someone who can't

537
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: do that, you're really liberated it. We all have limited

538
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: time and energy. It means that you have space people

539
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: you do like.

540
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: Time to learn this though liberated or like not approachable?

541
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: Oh I'm not approaching, That's what.

542
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's because an exterior thing that

543
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: people see on the internet or see stuff like that.

544
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: But then when people start talking to me, they're like,

545
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're so nice. Yeah you are nice.

546
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: So maybe but I have been told that, but maybe

547
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: it is.

548
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: My like it's also like, is approachability of value that

549
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: you care about? Because some people don't care if they're

550
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: approachable or not to people who they don't know.

551
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: Do I do care? Because like, I know, if someone

552
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: came up to me I didn't know them, I would

553
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: always give them the time of day. And for them

554
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: to think that I wouldn't that makes me upset. But

555
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: then I don't care if they do or like me,

556
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 2: it's different. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know

557
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: what you mean.

558
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: And because you would, you would always stop and have

559
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: a conversation and be absolutely delightful.

560
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: So I feel like, yeah, probably speaks more of the

561
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: other person that feels like they can't approach you.

562
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 3: Do you think I'm just trying to give you some credit.

563
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: Just trying to soften the blow.

564
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: It's also probably as well because you are known to

565
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: have a really successful brand that's globally. I've had a

566
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 1: lot of you know what I mean. Like, I think

567
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 1: people when they know someone already, it's harder to just

568
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: approach them when.

569
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: They like Also, I'm like, you also don't know me,

570
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 2: Like what is on Instagram is like ten percent of

571
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: my life. Like, yes, okay, I'm real and vulnerable, but

572
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: there's so much more to me or to my life

573
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: than what's on Instagram.

574
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, Baller as well, Like it's

575
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: hard because you dress so cool, you have such a

576
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: good fashion says no, but seriously, Like that's also tonight. No,

577
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: but you can rock a big hoodie and you know

578
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I think also sometimes that's intimidating

579
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: for people.

580
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah, what was your quote? Can I can?

581
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: I guess topic is either go a breakup topic? Okay,

582
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: then it's energy, then maybe it's both.

583
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: Actually sorry again okay, So I am no longer present

584
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: for things that make me feel like shit? You can?

585
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: I just Sarah, wait one second?

586
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: Is that your second quote? Shut Is that your second

587
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: second quote shut up?

588
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 4: Was?

589
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 3: Let me just get this, distance yourself from people that

590
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: bring out the person you're not trying to be anymore.

591
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: That's so wild, that is crazy.

592
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: But do you know what knowing you do, it's not

593
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: actually that crazy. It's actually not that crazy.

594
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if we had the same quote.

595
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: Why did you pick that quote? Because I just what's

596
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: been going on in my life probably the last month,

597
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: I have been withdrawing myself from people that suck my

598
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: energy and make me feel shit as a person. And yeah,

599
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: so I did that, Yeah, because I care about myself

600
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: more at the moment, selfish, but care about myself more

601
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: than other people because I'm a helper.

602
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: Right.

603
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: So for instance, one of our friends, like always feel

604
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: like I need to help, help, help, help, and every

605
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: time I help, she turns shit back on me and

606
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: makes me feel like a shit person, and then I

607
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: take shit on and so I'm like, no, no more

608
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: time for that. I need to actually worry about myself

609
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: and not get involved in that star.

610
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy though that you had to add a disclaimer? Oh,

611
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that sounds selfish. It's actually you're not selfish.

612
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: Role like it's a fundamental thing we should do, but

613
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: we already feel guilty about me, like I put myself first.

614
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry I did that. Yeah, you're right, isn't

615
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 2: that crazy?

616
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: You might struggle with this too, but I know it's

617
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: something to tell and I learning about. And we have

618
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: for the last couple of years as boundaries. We've always

619
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: had a blurred sense of what boundaries are, and now

620
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: we're actually enforcing them.

621
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now people don't know how to interact.

622
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: With us because we're like manna, like, yeah, I'm letting

623
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: you cross over this.

624
00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

625
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: It's actually even harder to have boundaries when you haven't

626
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: had them before, because it's like you're re teaching people. Yes,

627
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: if you always had them, sorry, it's easier for people

628
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: to know where they stand. But if you've gone from

629
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: being really lax and go with the yeah, like people

630
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: please you, which is exactly what I do. Then the

631
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: day that you realized for self preservation, you have to

632
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: put them in. It's actually harder because no one's like

633
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: you've set up this expectation that you don't have them,

634
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: and then it's like abrupt It like kind of surprises

635
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: people a bit when you're like, oh, actually I can

636
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: use no now.

637
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: It's like what. Yeah. I think COVID has helped with

638
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: that a little bit, like lockdown and stuff. Don't you

639
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: reckon just reevaluating, Like I.

640
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: Think prioritization, I think it's done a lot for true

641
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: people are realizing, like life's too short to be drawn

642
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: into things that really your time and energy is the

643
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: most finite resource that you have, and yet it's the

644
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: thing we spend most freely without really thinking about it. Yeah,

645
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: you can't get either of those things back.

646
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: One of my other things I'm trying to change is like,

647
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: especially with boundaries, I'm like, instead of having to do

648
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: things for others, like I have to do this for Tully,

649
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, no, I want to do this for

650
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: Tully because then it changes the mindset of me going

651
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: into things.

652
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Language is such a big thing. You don't think those

653
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: tweaks would make a big difference. But I also do

654
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: that when I get into a similar situation where I'm like,

655
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: oh God, I have to go and do this job

656
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: that I said yes to and I don't really want

657
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: to do. If you change it to I get to

658
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: do this. And I think COVID has changed that as well.

659
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: It's a privilege to be able to go to work

660
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: as a privilege to be able to leave your house,

661
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: and you choose the flavor you kind of give that

662
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: thought as you leave the house. It makes a really

663
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: big difference.

664
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: What made you recognize to switch up your language?

665
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: Ah, I think I noticed just how much it started

666
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: with busy.

667
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: It started with using the word yeah, and it.

668
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: Started with how often I found myself giving that as

669
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: a response when people will say how had things been,

670
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: and like, busy is not a bad thing. It means

671
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: you've got lots of work, it means you've got lots

672
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: of exciting things on. But then it kind of perpetuates

673
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: the mentality of busy and then your rush when you

674
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: like go from your car, like even parking the car

675
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: to come inside. I'm like always walking fast and I

676
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: realized that I was becoming busy as a lifestyle rather

677
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: than like just because I kept saying it. And so

678
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, maybe I should try and find

679
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: a new word so that I'm not perpetuating this pace thing,

680
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: because everything I try and talk about on this show

681
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: is that actually, you don't need to be busy all

682
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: the time to have good life. You don't even need

683
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: to be busy to be productive, like or happy. And

684
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: so once I started thinking about the impact of that word,

685
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: I was like, what are all the other words?

686
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: Are the way that I.

687
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: Frame things and the other quote I say all the

688
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: time is life is you know ten percent, what happens

689
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: to your ninety percent what you make of it. But

690
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: then I don't do that myself, Like I'll be like, fuck,

691
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I've got such a busy damn so tired. I don't

692
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: want to do all those things. And then I'm like

693
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: I should be saying what a privilege that I have

694
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: a busy day, Like there are some people who have

695
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: lost their jobs. And I think the whole of last

696
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: year just kind of shocked me into reframing the way

697
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: you think about everything, because that makes every.

698
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: Day a good day. Yea, even the shit days.

699
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: Are like, you know, even when you're exhausted or you're

700
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: burnt out, it's because you've had lots of good things

701
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: to do. They got you there, and so I just try.

702
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: And I don't know just I don't know when it happened,

703
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: but it did start around that whole busy conversation.

704
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, busy is funny. And you know what, one thing

705
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: that annoys me is like, yeah, we're busy, Like I

706
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: think everyone's busy, like everyone's got shit going on. One

707
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: thing that annoys me, And this goes back to like

708
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: dating is I hate when guys are always like, oh,

709
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: but like you wouldn't have time to do dinner because

710
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: you're so busy.

711
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm like they flip it back on it's serious.

712
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: It's like if I I'm like, okay, I'm busy, but

713
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: like not as busy as everyone else, and you can

714
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: make time for things that you want to do. It

715
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: aggravates when people I was like, oh, but you can't

716
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: like oh you can't do that today because you're just

717
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: so busy, and I'm like, oh my god, it's so annoying.

718
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: And apply to studio, Someone's like, oh, you don't do coffee.

719
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, she walk you do Monday. I'm like, oh, sorry,

720
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: Monday is like one of the busiest day is yeah, genuinely.

721
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: And then another girl's like, oh yeah, she she's so

722
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: busy all the time. She has like eight jobs. And

723
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I do a lot, but

724
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: I always have time for like things, but the.

725
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: Important thing, yeah, like you'll make time of you if.

726
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's so annoying. Yeah, I know.

727
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's used in such a negative way.

728
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: I find it really like, I don't know why I

729
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: get offended.

730
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's because it implies that you don't

731
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: have any kind of prioritization, even though you do put

732
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: the things that you.

733
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: Actually get feel I felt offended.

734
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: What's another word where you can use cap hied sometimes

735
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: really or you just say like there's a lot on it.

736
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: It was in my head and I've got a lot

737
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: on at the moment.

738
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Maybe because busy has got negative connotations. It's like just

739
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: saying there's a lot on is just purely descriptive. It's like, true,

740
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: there is actually a lot of stuff on, but that

741
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't fit in other things. It's just yeah,

742
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: it's funny I don't know, it's just interesting. I realized

743
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: how much of an impact the words you used to

744
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: describe things. And you know what, another one, another kind

745
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: of trigger for this whole thing was was the meme

746
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: that not meme but like posts that came out when

747
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: we were in the big lockdown, which was it's not

748
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm I have to stay at home, it's I get

749
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: to stay at home or something like that, and then.

750
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: I get to keep my friends safe and all those

751
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: ones that went all around.

752
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in a time where we had so

753
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: little control over our circumstances and what we could do

754
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: each day, the only way to survive it was to

755
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: change the way that you worded things like that, and

756
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: that actually made a big difference because you're like, it

757
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: is a privilege to have a home to stay in,

758
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: and it is a privilege to have a home and

759
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: a job that you can do from home, and like

760
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: enough space that in our five kilometers, you know the radius,

761
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: there's a cafe and there's a park. Like suddenly those

762
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: things actually became something. I was like, if you don't

763
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: value them, like, the world takes away stuff that you

764
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: don't have great gratitude for because otherwise it's like, well,

765
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're not appreciating that, so it'll just go yeah, right.

766
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, life, I'm turning interview eight. I just how did

767
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 3: you become so self aware?

768
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: Oh? Good question.

769
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: I think like you guys will probably have the same thing.

770
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: It's every time you push the boundaries too far and

771
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: it's only through. And this is why I sort of

772
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: think that any theory of happiness, including CZA, you can't

773
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: just be about joy. It also has to embrace the

774
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: time for shitty bits, because they're the ones that show

775
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: you and that teach you the self awareness that you

776
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: need to have the good time. So I think it's

777
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: literally been from pushing myself too fast so many times.

778
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: And I hate this cliche phrase, but hitting rock bottom

779
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: where you literally have taken away your energy, You've taken

780
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: away your ability to get out of bed, You've taken

781
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, you've abused every kind of energy, resource and

782
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: skill and talent that you have by just overdoing it.

783
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: And then when you can't get out of bed and

784
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: you can't be productive and you can't like even you know, work,

785
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: those times are when you really have to take a long,

786
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: hard look at yourself and start to notice, like what

787
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: is that about? What are my traits that lead me there?

788
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: What are my traits that make me ignore the signs

789
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: that I was getting that I was heading that way?

790
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: You know, the only way you can build yourself back

791
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: up from things like that is through self awareness. And

792
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: then I think you get reading particular types of literature

793
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: to get through it, and then you start listening more

794
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: actively to different perspectives on life. And the more that happens,

795
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: the more you reflect on the choices you make and

796
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: where they get you, and you start getting curious in your.

797
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: Own gious Yeah, yourself.

798
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 4: Yes, and you also, I listened to our podcast yesterday,

799
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: so I literally like get to know yourself about twenty

800
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 4: five thousand times.

801
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's true, Like, I think what you realize

802
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: is so much of your earlier life is spent in

803
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: the white noise, Like there's so and in our generation,

804
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: we've gone from not having much in our probably primary

805
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: school years to like the world exploding with noise, Like

806
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: everything is so busy. The details of everyone else's lives

807
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: and choices and lifestyles and circumstances is so visible in

808
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: our lives that I think I spent like a big

809
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: part of my twenties being pulled in all different directions

810
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: of the should and like what looked good and I didn't.

811
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't even answer who I was and what I

812
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: really wanted or even what I was good at. Like

813
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: all those questions were just so obscured by like where

814
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: I should be. And then you realize the best data

815
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: point for having a happy life is how you feel

816
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: and response to everything, And the simplest equation for a

817
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: good life is like, do more of what feels good

818
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: and less of what doesn't. Yeah, But the only way

819
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: you can do that is if you actually listen to

820
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: yourself and notice when you feel good and when you don't.

821
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: Like the same with cutting certain people out, you'll spend

822
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: a long time in a toxic relationship. If you're not

823
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: asking that question because you don't notice it, you feel

824
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: shit afterwards because you have no self awareness of it.

825
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: But once you notice and you're like, that makes me

826
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: feel crap. Yes, you know what to subtract and you

827
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: know what to add more of, and the more you

828
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: do it, the more you're like. Self awareness is the key.

829
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I wish I knew this when I was younger.

830
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you did not when you were younger,

831
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't have had the life experience of all

832
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: the things that taught you as well.

833
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: And that's what we say now, Like, yeah, where I

834
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: was gonna hate me, I'm going to say this.

835
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: We're thirty three this month, we collectively.

836
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 3: And I really enjoy getting older, right, Yeah.

837
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: And we were.

838
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 3: Out to dinner the other night we saw these young

839
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: girls and I was like, you could not pay in

840
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: my twenties.

841
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: Again, also at it wouldn't pay myself to be in

842
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: my head when I was a young like the things

843
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: used to go on in my head, like I was

844
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: still kind of probably a little bit like mentally unstable

845
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: with like an eating disorder and stuff, and oh what

846
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: was going on in my head? No way, there's so

847
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: much anger, not taste, so much mess. Oh you were not.

848
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: And then like, you know, we've got a few younger

849
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: friends in like early twenties and stuff like that, and

850
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: like some of the stuff that they worry about or

851
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: compare themselves with other people, I'm like, man, I don't

852
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: have time for that shit, honestly, No, I like swear

853
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: to God and like, nah, like isn't it beautiful?

854
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: Though?

855
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like there's so much social pressure

856
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: around oh your thirties, like yeah, old, and like my

857
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: biggest reflection when I turned thirty was fear of what

858
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: was going to happen because everyone was like, oh my god,

859
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: you're turning thirty. Yeah, But actually the biggest revelation was

860
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: this has been the best acad of my life so

861
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: far because you just drop all the you just shed

862
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: all that shit of your twenties and you just know

863
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: who you are.

864
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: I feel like a little bit more stable, I would say.

865
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: And you don't care what that costs you anymore. I

866
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: feel like you're like, I'm going to be who I am,

867
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: and like if that cost me certain people, then I

868
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: didn't want them anyway. And if I gain new people,

869
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: then they're the new people. Like you're Yeah, it's weird,

870
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: but I feel like this has been really liberating. And

871
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 1: people say the same about your forties, like you even

872
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: more just come into like this is who I am.

873
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to live my life exactly how I want to.

874
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: But who even knew who we were in our twenties.

875
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: I was like twenty five different people in that decade.

876
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 3: But I got through old photos and I was like, oh,

877
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 3: that's that phase.

878
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: That's and you can see, like I who I was

879
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: like hanging out with I dress the same?

880
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: Is it?

881
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: Like I needed to be a chameleones and that people

882
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: pleasing thing. I took it to like such extremes of

883
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: like I'd just be whoever I was with, like who

884
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, I just do whatever makes

885
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: everyone happy, Like that's the easiest.

886
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: But in saying that, you've probably picked something from that group,

887
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: something from that group, and then it's molded to you

888
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 3: to who you are today.

889
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it?

890
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: And I think we also like the most exciting thing

891
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: about being around in this day and age is that

892
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: you're not You're no longer expected to be the same person.

893
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: So it's actually okay to evolve every couple of years

894
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: and you don't need to Like I think people have

895
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: this idea that finding your purpose or even like seizing

896
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: your yave, that's how you want to say it is

897
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: this static place that you're going to arrive at one

898
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: day and then you live the.

899
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: Rest of your life in that happy place.

900
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: But the more I've embraced it is like it's going

901
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: to look different every phase, and.

902
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: Who knows what it's going to look like at the

903
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: next phase.

904
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: Even next month. I'm like, I don't know what's going

905
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: to suit my life then or my energy and attention

906
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: because like the world is not the same month to

907
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: month anymore, which is nerve wracking, and the uncertainty is

908
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: like stressful, it's also exciting. You could be anyone, Like

909
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have gone from like with Tollylou

910
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: for example, with MATCHA, I went from having like a

911
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: five year plan. I don't have a five month plan

912
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: now because who could know what was happening in five months.

913
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: I try not to have like plans like that. I

914
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: know in business and stuff, they say you probably shouldn't.

915
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: We get asked all the time, like where do you

916
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: want to be in like five years, and like we

917
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: have like a rough idea and we're both pretty similar

918
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: in what we want. But like I've just learned to

919
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: just kind of go exactly what you said. Things changes

920
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: so quickly that we just kind of go and we've

921
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: been so lucky that shit just falls into our lap.

922
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, don't reckon, Maybe we're just blessed hashtag.

923
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: Pleas I don't know, Like I know we probably should

924
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: have I mean, like we do have plans, like marketing

925
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: plans and like we know what stuff like that, but

926
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: like as a long term plan, like we no, but

927
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: we do kind of. But I'm like, but we do,

928
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: but we don't. Like it's not in writing, it's not

929
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: in writing.

930
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: But we've had this discussion, like our long term goal

931
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: will be like how how good would it be if

932
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: like majority of women had one pair of Tullulu leggings

933
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: in their closet? Yeah, like that's an ultimate goal of ours.

934
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But isn't it interesting? I feel like when

935
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: you if you had been you know, you said things

936
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: falling into your lab, if you've been so rigidly stuck

937
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: to a particular plan that was like written down, there's

938
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: no but there's no room for those things to go

939
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: into your lab, and you wouldn't recognize them if they

940
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: did arrive, because you'd be like you push away everything

941
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: that it's not that plan.

942
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

943
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like once upon a time, rigid

944
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: planning helped you soundtrack, and it's still important to it,

945
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: except of course, like otherwise you wouldn't have stock. Yeah, true,

946
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: But like being open minded and like, again it's such

947
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: a cliche word, but surrendering has been such a valuable

948
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: skill over the last eighteen months because you don't really

949
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: you can't control so much, so being open to things

950
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: falling into your lap and rolling with them. I think

951
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: businesses that survive are the ones that are really adaptable agile.

952
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: I would say, we're pretty chill, Like we're chill when

953
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: it comes to business, like maybe and you know what, sometimes,

954
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: and we've had this discussion over the last few months,

955
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: I find it frustrating that we are so chill, Like

956
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: you watch other brands might have come up after us,

957
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: Like obviously we're probably one of the longest standing other

958
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: than like Larna Jane and like Nike and stuff. When

959
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: sports like sports Lucks kind of came in, we're probably

960
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: one of the longest standing brands before all the other ones.

961
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: And when you see brands come up like just say

962
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: like two years ago, three years ago, and you see

963
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: where they are now and you know it might be

964
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: kind of where you want it to be, that's frustrating.

965
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: And then sometimes I think, Okay, maybe we're too chill.

966
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: We need to like fucking step it up and stop

967
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: like you know, being maybe a bit more fierce in

968
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: a way that's frustrating. Other than that, I would say

969
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: we're pretty chill. But I think it's a disadvantage in

970
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: some way. It's funny.

971
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I also think sometimes when you look at stuff like that,

972
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: a you're looking at the outside of what you see

973
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: from those businesses, what it is. You don't know what

974
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: it's been there, like you, Yeah, you don't know what

975
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: it costs them to get there. But I also think

976
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: all the time, like, what has it allowed you by

977
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: having that chill attitude to achieve in your lives, like

978
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: not just your working lives and not just in the business,

979
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: but in your overall.

980
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 2: Life less stress?

981
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: Yes, And I actually have come to think, like often

982
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: I had this with Matter and I still sometimes have

983
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: this with Czam, like.

984
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: Oh, there are podcasts who started like a year after me.

985
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: You've got like double the downlods and blah blah blah.

986
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: But I look at what it costs them to do that,

987
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: and that quote of like if anything costs you your piece,

988
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: it's too expensive for me. The trade off of having

989
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: more flexibility over my time and not smashing myself like

990
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: I used to is actually worth more to me. Like

991
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: you can't have both, you can't have. Some people appear

992
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: like they can have both, but often it's like the

993
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: sacrifice that it took them they've had, not had things

994
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: that you guys have been able to enjoy by doing that, Yeah,

995
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: to get there.

996
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, we've lived a pretty good life, oh

997
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But like, definitely, I wouldn't say our

998
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 2: life is stressful. No, I mean it can, you know,

999
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: like same with everyone. Life can be stressful, but I

1000
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't say our business is stressful, which is amazing and we've.

1001
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: Had amazing growth the last few years.

1002
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: And the other thing I always talk about, like in

1003
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: the CZO book, is that micro macro thing, Like we

1004
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: judge our lives so much based on the macro of

1005
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: what it sounds like or what it looks like in

1006
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: comparison to the rest of the landscape, but actually the

1007
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: only thing that matters is micro, which is how you

1008
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: feel every single day. And if you feel good and

1009
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: unstressed most of the time, like that, what could be

1010
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: more valuable?

1011
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1012
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say. The only time I think we get

1013
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 2: stress is when you're just overwhelmed with a not gonna

1014
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: use word busy, but like we've got a lot going

1015
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: or something like that, and you're like, shit, I actually

1016
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: have a lot to do, but it wouldn't be a

1017
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: stress that I'm like I can't sleep and you can't function.

1018
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: But it's so funny you say that before about like

1019
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: the outside and stuff, because we're talking about this the

1020
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: other day. It's like maybe like four years ago or

1021
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: something like we've always like, the brand's always done well,

1022
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: but there've been periods where we're like, fuck, there's not

1023
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: much money bank in the banking now, no, like it

1024
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: one hundred percent and like and then people are like,

1025
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: oh House, Telly're like, oh my god, it's so amazing,

1026
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: and you do because half of you are like you

1027
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: know what, people don't know what happens behind scenes. You

1028
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: want everyone to sound like you're doing amazing. And we

1029
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: used to do this all the time, like yeah, we're

1030
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: fucking killing it. Like we've been back and forth from

1031
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: LA like amazing and literally we had like ten thousand

1032
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: dollars in banking. Yeah, and you're just like holy shit.

1033
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: But and I when Sarah would say, and I'm sitting

1034
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: there in my ham like we're really fucking not. But

1035
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: you would just fake it. And that's been one thing

1036
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: in business that I've always done, is like fake it

1037
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: to you make it, like just in maybe not at

1038
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: that such, but like even in meetings, like you sit

1039
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: down in meetings like just say we're in La in

1040
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: the soul cycle and like, okay, can you design these

1041
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: six styles and have them in three months? I'm like, yeah, absolutely,

1042
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: oh ye walk out, and Sarah and I are like,

1043
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: how the fuck are we going to do it? And

1044
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: you know what, We'll fucking make it happen and we'll

1045
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: get it done. So that's what I mean when I

1046
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: say fake it to you make it. But then maybe.

1047
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 3: Us as people, I think we we could have benefited

1048
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: from being having all go yeah, our more vulnerable conversations, yeah,

1049
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: and been like and you know.

1050
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: By us being a little bit more vulnerable and not

1051
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: letting our ego in the way, maybe we open up

1052
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: to someone that day and be like, you know, actually

1053
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: we're not doing very well, and maybe that might have

1054
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: opened us to an opportunity of an investor, or an

1055
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: opportunity of like a stockist. But we were so like

1056
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: we didn't want anyone it was embarrassing. Yeah, well I

1057
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: was embarrassed because you don't want anyone to know, so

1058
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 2: you just keep it to yourself. But maybe we should

1059
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: have been more real and vulnerable, and maybe that's a

1060
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: lesson because you don't know who you're talking to that

1061
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: may be able to help you totally. People can't help

1062
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: you if they don't don't exactly and would be like, oh,

1063
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: we'll just go to our dads like can you Like yes,

1064
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: you do mean, but wait, maybe we should have been

1065
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: more vulnerable, but do you know?

1066
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 3: And speaking to other business people since becoming more honest,

1067
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: they're going.

1068
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: Through exactly the same struggle.

1069
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 3: You think you're the only ones going through that struggle

1070
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: at the time, but then you open up and you're

1071
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: like they're They're like, no, we've got these problems to you. Like,

1072
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: so then you talk and you figure out ways.

1073
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: To get Yeah.

1074
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the best part of the business landscape

1075
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: now is that it's much more open and much more transparent.

1076
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: And it means that because you don't have colleagues like

1077
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: you really go from not you know, from being in

1078
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: a nine to five where you have a team and

1079
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: you have a really clear support structure. Even just like water,

1080
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: like literally water cooler chats, you have those to ventilate, Hey,

1081
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: feeling that day and what's ship and everyone goes, yeah,

1082
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: we doo. But in business it can be really isolated.

1083
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 2: And you do you take stuff personally? Yeah, Like I

1084
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: definitely do. I'm like, oh, we've only got ten thousand

1085
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: dollars in bank account, like a reflection of my value. Yeah,

1086
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: But the minute.

1087
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: Someone else says me too, you're like.

1088
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, normal. Yeah.

1089
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: Do you feel that though, in the sense when we're

1090
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: saying that, we're like that we're in our like mid

1091
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 3: twenties and we thought we had to project this successful business.

1092
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in a way, like we were like we

1093
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: were having celebrities in the Celebrities don't really make sales sometimes,

1094
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: but like we did. We had like celebrities wearing stuff.

1095
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: We had all this, but like, where the hell's the money? Yeah.

1096
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: Actually, sometimes your biggest growth chapters that look the most

1097
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: fancy are the ones where your.

1098
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: Cashlow was the worst. Yeah. Yeah, all the.

1099
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: Time, I'd be like I literally am eating two minute noodles.

1100
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1101
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: I know, people make jokes about two minute noodles. But

1102
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: some weeks were like there is no.

1103
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: Cash yeah yeah, and it's like, yeah, it's you know what,

1104
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: it's liberating now because you're like, oh shit, like it's

1105
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: kind of cool to see where you are in the growth,

1106
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: but at the time it's actually that's when I would

1107
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: say it was probably the most stressful time is when

1108
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: you see money getting quickly drained. You're like shit, that's

1109
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: probably when I've probably been the most stressed in business

1110
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 2: is to do with money.

1111
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: We've also changed our relationship and energy around money, like

1112
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: money in, money out that kind of like you accept

1113
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: that it's going to come back, and things like the

1114
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: flow ebb and flow.

1115
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: And also like in business, I think it's important obviously

1116
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: to like, if you've got the cash is to invest

1117
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: money to make money. So that was something that we

1118
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: will always like oof, like you'd rather have it sitting there,

1119
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: and then we're like, no, fuck this, we need to

1120
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: like you know, invest money in this area because that's

1121
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: going to like triple our money. Yeah, but at one

1122
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: stage we're too scared to do that. But now we're

1123
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: like being smarter and maybe that does to do with age.

1124
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: It's so and also just like progression, like it's a

1125
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: different chapter because you've been through one chapter and seeing

1126
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: that like that actually that scarcity like I need to

1127
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: hold onto it in case next month I can't pay

1128
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: the bills. I think, like, yeah, it comes with experience.

1129
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, is what the next phase looks like. Yeah,

1130
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: but that's so exciting.

1131
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: I love this so much because like in you know, two,

1132
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: three years or five years or whatever, we'll sit down

1133
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: again and like be like remember that last chat, were

1134
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: just like this is.

1135
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: Seriously.

1136
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: I had a conversation with my brother not that long

1137
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 3: ago and I was like, oh, I'm getting a bit overwhelmed,

1138
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: like we're getting to the next stage in the business,

1139
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: and I was like, I kind of feel out of

1140
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: my depth because I don't know. And he's like, but

1141
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: you don't know, Sarah, but you will learn it. And

1142
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: it's like that means you're growing, Like I feel like

1143
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: you actually go through real roller coasters of like coasting

1144
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: or you know exactly that you turn out to work

1145
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: and you're like I've got this, which is amazing. It's

1146
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: such a lovely feeling. But that's when you're like I'm

1147
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 3: not growing. Yeah, I'm like I'm coasting because I know this.

1148
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: And now that nervous feeling when you're like, oh my god,

1149
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: we're going to a new chapter. That's the one where

1150
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: like the discomfort means that you're evolving, which is the

1151
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: best sign.

1152
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: It just feels shit. At the time, I said that

1153
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: because a couple of months ago we were talking about

1154
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: the business. I'm like, Sarah, like I'm flat, like not motivated.

1155
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: I feel like nothing's progressing. Like even though it was,

1156
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: I just felt flat and I'm like, we need to

1157
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: like go to the next level, like and what is that?

1158
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: But I'm like I was so flat and we're just like,

1159
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: oh my god. And then we had a few conversations

1160
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: with people and then you get like this burst of

1161
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: fire and that nervous and exciting feeling like, oh, actually,

1162
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: like this is an exciting phase. But I was at

1163
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: I was at the end of that second phase where

1164
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, I'm done, like I'm walking, like

1165
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: not walking, but like if it's going to simulate this

1166
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: for another year, I can't do this. I'm not motivated nothing.

1167
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: And then just one thing happens and you're like, oh fuck, yeah,

1168
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: there's that excitement again. And that happens all not all

1169
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: the time, but like no, pretty pretty like it's emotional.

1170
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely because I do a lot and it doesn't I

1171
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: feel like this and this is why you guys talking

1172
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: about it is so reassuring and actually like probably provides

1173
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: more value than when you're like it's going really well

1174
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: to people listening, is that it is a really big

1175
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: emotional Rollercoasters run a business, and if you look back

1176
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: at your emotional kind of like if you saw it

1177
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: as like a heart rate monitor, your emotion's going up

1178
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: and down versus the business's success going up and down,

1179
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: they're not related.

1180
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: Like you could have a really.

1181
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: Down week in a week where everything is gone amazingly

1182
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: and it doesn't make sense to you, and you're.

1183
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: Like, why am I flat?

1184
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: Everything's amazing, and then the next week everything shit, but

1185
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: you're feeling really motivated and like I've got fire in

1186
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: my belly, Like it doesn't have to make sense, but

1187
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: you just ride the wave because it's it's that's that's

1188
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: one of the costs. Like it's not a stable nine

1189
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: to five jobs, so your emotional state isn't going to

1190
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: be stable in nine to five. But that means you

1191
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: do get the highs and you do get like the lows,

1192
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: and it's just more dynamic because you can kind of

1193
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: ride that wave. But I think people hearing that that

1194
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: is what you go through probably validates their own experience

1195
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: not worrying like, oh my God, I'm doing this wrong

1196
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: because I'm having a shit day.

1197
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, that's part of it. That's normal.

1198
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 3: And even most recent we've had a couple of younger

1199
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: friends come to us and they're really lost.

1200
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're just like I'm lost.

1201
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: Every day tiles response, She's like, I don't know who

1202
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: I am still, it's the thing everyday, Like what you're

1203
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: feeling now, I feel too.

1204
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: There's a ten year age gap, honestly, Like, honestly you

1205
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: feel lost and that all the time. It's just like

1206
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: but I think a lot of people that are younger

1207
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: like think and this has got to do with like

1208
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: social media and the way that this day, like this

1209
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: world runs is like everyone just wants shit now. And

1210
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: we're a perfect example of you literally have to climb

1211
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: the ladder so slow, like tell you lose eight years old,

1212
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: Like it's taken a long time to get where we are.

1213
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of young people are like,

1214
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: I'm astat a business throw I'm going to make this

1215
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: amount of money. It's going to be fucking amazing, you know,

1216
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: Like Okay, some businesses amazing like get overnight success, but

1217
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't work like that. And I've always got this saying,

1218
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: and I say it all the time on podcasts because

1219
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 2: Lola Berry told me once and I was like, fuck,

1220
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: you're so right. It's like the slower you climb the ladder,

1221
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: the more successful you will be. The quicker you climb

1222
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: the ladder, you're successful exactly. And I was like, oh

1223
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 2: my god, you are so right. I've always remembered that.

1224
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: And I look at some businesses that had success very

1225
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: quickly and aren't around anymore, and I'm like, you're still

1226
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: here to tell it exactly. I can't always remember that,

1227
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: and maybe we need to tell that person that because

1228
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: I feel like they want their success very quickly.

1229
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: It is hard. We are in a really integratuity focused society,

1230
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: and so patience is like the one thing that we

1231
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of, but it's rewarded over and

1232
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: over again.

1233
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1234
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: Even if you were talking before about self awareness, like

1235
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: you want to be this enlightened human being that's like

1236
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: in purpose to criticism and comparison and self doubt, but

1237
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: like even that happens bit by bit. Yeah, and it's

1238
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: meant to like imagine if you were just all sortied

1239
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: and everything was going perfectly.

1240
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: We're just so boring. Yeah, what would they do? Yeah,

1241
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: that's so funny because I recently went through a breakup

1242
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 2: and I spoke to our friend Christian, you know Christian

1243
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: Rocky and like, of course, like one of your friends

1244
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: that you go to, and he was saying to me,

1245
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I hate this feeling like it's so shit,

1246
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: Like I hate being sad and like going through this.

1247
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: I just wish life was easy. And he said to me,

1248
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, but if life was easy, if life

1249
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: was like that, it wouldn't be fun and it'd be

1250
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: boring because you wouldn't be going through those emotions all

1251
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: the time. I was like, fuck, you're actually right, Like

1252
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: the more emotions you go through and stuff like that,

1253
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: it kind of as much as it's sad, it's kind

1254
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 2: of exciting because you're not, like you a straight line,

1255
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: you wouldn't.

1256
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: Recognize happiness if you didn't have it.

1257
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: You wouldn't appreciate it.

1258
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when people like they often say I

1259
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: would love summer all year, but if you don't have winter,

1260
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: like you don't have any cycle to your time. And

1261
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: so people who live like, if you look at all

1262
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: the big scientific discoveries or like big you know, events

1263
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: or innovations that come out of the world. None of

1264
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: them are on the equator because people there, oh it's

1265
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: warm all the time and they have no like cyclical

1266
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: nature and no time to create, hibernate and come back out,

1267
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: and it's just slow. Like life is just slow, the.

1268
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: Same every day. It's the same year. You know. I

1269
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 2: wouldn't like that as much as I hate winter. It's

1270
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: like the seasons because you naturally change the seasons.

1271
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: And how interesting is that? Because I was like, ovidly,

1272
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: if I could pick to have somewher all the time,

1273
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: I would.

1274
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, but then I wouldn't appreciate.

1275
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: Summer because you know, in winter when it just gets

1276
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: to spring, you start to smell like the.

1277
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 2: Change and they're like, oh yeah, yeah.

1278
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: You don't get that, and so they literally don't invent

1279
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: anything because you like they're just sleepy and warm.

1280
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: I was like, seasons have a reason, actually, yeah, like

1281
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: that is my favorite time of the year. In the air. Yeah,

1282
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: you're like, oh the future, yeah, that's going to get

1283
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: drinks like it's fine. That's probably one of my biggest

1284
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: life lessons of the last year is like exactly what

1285
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 2: you said, everything's in seasons, everything's in cycles, like.

1286
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: The moon comes in cycles, everything comes in ebbs.

1287
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: And oh my god, I saw the funniest me the

1288
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: other day and I have laughed for more time than

1289
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: I should have laughed. But it was like lockdown one,

1290
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: lockdown two, lockdown three two, lock two down, lockdown, ton't

1291
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: get drift.

1292
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: You were here. I was like, oh my god, Yeah,

1293
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: we shouldn't joke.

1294
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: Literally, you can't go right like you have to have

1295
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: a lot, I.

1296
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 3: Know, seriously, we can laugh about it while we're free.

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00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, because we're like the only the whole flow,

1298
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: the whole country.

1299
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: Turned to laugh. And let's hope it stays like well.

1300
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: To finish up, guys, while we have been in freedom,

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00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: but particularly as a little recommendation for anyone who isn't

1302
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: and who needs a little pick me up, are there

1303
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: any books or movies or shows that you watched recently

1304
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: or when we were in lockdown recently that kind of

1305
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: gave you a bit of a smile or a bit

1306
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: of a yay in your heart.

1307
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: I wonder if Sarah's going to say the same things, Oh.

1308
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: My god, one of you.

1309
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. So the show Love on the Spectrum

1310
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: season season two. Oh my god, if you don't watch

1311
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: that show, that is like the most heart warming ab demand.

1312
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: It's not funny, like, it's not hilarious funny. It's just

1313
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: how open and raw they are and how they say

1314
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: what they think. It's very cute and funny. That just

1315
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 2: endearing in the heart. That makes me feel so good.

1316
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: I really enjoy watching. I'm obsessed with Michael. And I'm

1317
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: going to say book, and it's quite relevant to what

1318
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: we're talking about because we're talking about business. But Samantha

1319
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: Will's book If You Run a Business is fucking so

1320
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: inspiring and really amazing of golden dust. Yes, yeah, yeah,

1321
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: it's such a good book.

1322
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to say I watched the film Luca.

1323
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: The other night that watch that.

1324
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: I watched that with my niece and one watching it

1325
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: through her eyes and just like the pure joy and excitement.

1326
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: I really loved that. But it also made me want

1327
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: to travel again.

1328
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: Because it's Italy.

1329
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I really enjoyed that. And book I actually

1330
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: can't remember the title, but our friend Minage I bought

1331
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 3: his book recently was Open Heart or something still Connected or.

1332
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: Open Heart?

1333
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: But I love he's been on the show. He's amazing.

1334
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: Yes.

1335
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: So he's released his first book and it's a lot

1336
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: about like meditation, Buddhism, it's a lot about social media

1337
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: and the disconnectedness in our society.

1338
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: So I'm finding that really interesting.

1339
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 3: Women.

1340
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: Not yet you can have it after I can say,

1341
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 2: maybe you can have something that with one. But my

1342
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: mom took it. I'm gonna have to get it back

1343
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: off her, and she's gonna read it. She won't read it.

1344
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny?

1345
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: Though?

1346
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes looking at life through children's eyes,

1347
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: like being around them, Like you can go a really

1348
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: long time if you don't have friends with kids and

1349
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: not be around a child, and then once you are.

1350
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: Again, you're like so true. They just bring you to.

1351
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 3: This different level, this pure joy and excitement.

1352
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: And even like my sisters just had twins and I'm

1353
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: like five months they're so cute. They obviously like I

1354
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: can't really see the joy and excitement. But sometimes because

1355
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: they're so young, sometimes they laugh and stuff. But the

1356
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: one thing that I like, I love going to her

1357
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: house and just staring at them and I'm like, you

1358
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: girls are so lucky, Like you have your life ahead

1359
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: of you and you've got no worry in the world.

1360
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: Like and I had Aria on my knee yesterday and

1361
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: she was like, and I was talking to around like

1362
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: your cabin chats. Yeah, she like kind of talks back

1363
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: to you, but you have to talk to her like

1364
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: just with noises. And I was like, Ari, you're so

1365
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: like like this is the happiest time of your life.

1366
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: You've got no idea what is going on in the world.

1367
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, sleep and sleep.

1368
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, all you do is eat sleep, shit, eat

1369
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: sleep shit. Few like literally like they're so like.

1370
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: They're just unburdened, like the weight of the world.

1371
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: And even like how like they make my mum and

1372
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: dad so happy. It's like so cute. What are your recommendations?

1373
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

1374
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: TV?

1375
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: So much TV, so much TV. But the problem is

1376
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm too busy, guys, I'm too occupied. There's too much

1377
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: on the problem is that my big ya. And again

1378
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: this comes down to sell awareness, Like I figured out

1379
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: the things that really helped my brain disconnect and that

1380
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: I find really I lose time, Like that's how I

1381
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: measure If I forget what time it is, then I've

1382
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: actually had a break.

1383
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that.

1384
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem is they're all like hectic serial

1385
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: killer movies.

1386
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: So you guys know this.

1387
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm so in crime and war and spy stories, which

1388
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: are all fascinating, but they're not exactly like yes, I

1389
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: felt the ya for just like interesting.

1390
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: I watched a crime one recently.

1391
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: I've been oh, that it's French one on Netflix.

1392
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: Yes, isn't.

1393
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: No, they dubbed it, dubbed it.

1394
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: I can't watch dubbed. It's actually really good. I binged

1395
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: that one was my head in and I'm like, oh, like, okay,

1396
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: maybe I need to watch it. Then I thought it's

1397
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: come a long way.

1398
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: It's the dubbing, like some people didn't notice until a

1399
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: little bit of the way.

1400
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, maybe you do that. But yeah, it's that

1401
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: one's really.

1402
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: Good because it's not like heavy. It's not intense, it's

1403
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: not doing you know, it's it's like got a kind

1404
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: of lighthearted humor to it.

1405
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: What's heavy to you?

1406
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: Like killing, like proper murder, like a love a murder mystery.

1407
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 3: You would have watched that one on stand and the

1408
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 3: Judge with the dad of Malcolm in the middle is it?

1409
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's a series? Watch that, Like, I.

1410
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: Couldn't even watch that Hotel Cecil or whatever.

1411
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: I love that stuff.

1412
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: I watch it, watch it.

1413
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 3: I couldn't watch that The Judge.

1414
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really I don't know what it is. I

1415
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: think maybe because it's so distant from my actual life

1416
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: experience that I love all kinds of genres, but the

1417
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: one that really distracts me, like actually makes me switch

1418
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: off from my to do list is like true crime

1419
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: or crime fiction for.

1420
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: That, Like Love Island started yesterday, so I'll watch that tonight.

1421
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: See I'm not a reality but it's my version of reality.

1422
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: I don't think of anything else. I'm like, so fixated

1423
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: is your legal brain kicking and you try and solve it?

1424
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,479
Speaker 2: Not really, I don't watch.

1425
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't watch like I do watch. I do watch

1426
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: Lauren Otta, but I don't watch like the court.

1427
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: Bit of it.

1428
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: It's more like the detective bit of it. And I

1429
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: think because it's there enough of a story that you

1430
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: have to pay attention, like you can't be on your

1431
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: phone if you want to know what's happening. But they're

1432
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: not so much that you get tired, Like it's not

1433
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: like a docco Whi're like, oh yeah.

1434
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like fully engaged.

1435
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in terms of like joyful things. I also

1436
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: read and watch a lot of things that are like

1437
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: super uplifting, but I just like, I can't think of

1438
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: any from the last particular week. But the guy from

1439
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: Lupin the Actor is in and I've already used this

1440
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: as a recommendation before, but if you haven't heard it,

1441
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: he's also in a French movie called The Untouchable.

1442
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: I say that that's so sad. Did we talk about

1443
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: that or no, we talked about it. One of my

1444
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: favorite films Everone in the Wheelchair that is so sad

1445
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: but so beautiful. It's so heard warming. Yeah movie and

1446
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: a true story and a true story. I think they

1447
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: think two of those, the American ones no good. Yeah,

1448
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: I've watched the original because it was subtitles to and

1449
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: then I watch American one. That wasn't that good.

1450
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: The French one is. I think French film is just

1451
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: really subtle, like there's something about it.

1452
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful movie actually.

1453
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: And I love that even though it was a French movie,

1454
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: it became like like you guys have seen it, like

1455
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: lots of people in English speaking in.

1456
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 2: The English speaking once because you told me to.

1457
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: It is like one of the most heart Yeah, it

1458
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: really is actually like heart wrenching but heartwarming humanity loving movies. Ever, So,

1459
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: if you guys need a little bit of a pick

1460
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: me up and you haven't heard my recommendation in that

1461
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: movie that I've used like eight times, The Untouchables.

1462
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: I've got one more movie and it's kind of a

1463
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: little bit like that. Like it's really I've never cried

1464
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 2: so much in a movie. Like it was so sad,

1465
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: but it was also really like heartwarming towards the end.

1466
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: I think I've told you to watch His Miracle in

1467
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: a Cell Number seven. I think it's in Turkey, but

1468
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: it's and it's subtitles. It is Oh my god. I

1469
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 2: cried from the start until the end, Oh my God,

1470
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: like sad cry, but then there was like happy cray.

1471
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: When's that? It's on Netflix? And I woke up the

1472
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: next day and I looked like a blowfish. I cried

1473
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: that much. It was so sad but just so beautiful

1474
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: towards the end.

1475
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of blowfish, have you guys watched My Octopus Teacher?

1476
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: Yes? What's that? Oh? Got a documentary on Netflix.

1477
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: I can't use that one because I used it last week,

1478
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: But Octopus Teacher is also like a documentary.

1479
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so I was the same.

1480
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: I was like a documentary, ill be animal documentary. I

1481
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: love animals, but it wouldn't be the first thing I'd

1482
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: go to. And we just put it on the background

1483
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: because everyone had been.

1484
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: Raving about it for so long.

1485
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: It is so beautiful. Really, it's so fascinating.

1486
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: Because I started to watch what's that Sea one?

1487
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: Sea Spiracy, but that's kind of more political.

1488
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: This one's just beautiful. This is a heartwarming. Yes, okay,

1489
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: maybe I need to watch it, but I just see

1490
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: those things and I was like, oh no, I'll watch

1491
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 2: are like selling Sunset? I love selling Sunset. It's like,

1492
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: this is how a difference, so where Sarah and I

1493
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: are similar, but we're different. So every time in the morning,

1494
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: I was just like on the age, I'm like on

1495
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: Daily Mail, I'm actually driving here.

1496
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 3: I thought that you put up you were singing to

1497
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 3: some gangster song and here yeah, on your Instagram story

1498
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 3: and here I am listening to nineties throwbacks.

1499
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: Like how do you guys do road troops? Like how

1500
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: do you do music?

1501
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: Choice? Really get a choice?

1502
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 3: Because she doesn't want to listen to Dixie Chicks.

1503
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: You're into no Sarah's like, oh Landslide Dixie.

1504
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So what's your like happy music? Because I

1505
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: think something I forgot during COVID when we weren't driving,

1506
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: so I wasn't just plumping the tunes you forget in

1507
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: just around your house to put music on, but it

1508
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: actually changes.

1509
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 2: Your movie definitely every day. What's your happy song or

1510
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 2: happy songs? See, I listened to like hip hop and rap,

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Speaker 2: but I wouldn't say they're like my happy songs. I

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Speaker 2: like listening to like playlists from like when we're in La,

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Speaker 2: like maybe like memory, yes, like we've got some playlists

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Speaker 2: and like even like when we went to Coachella that year,

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Speaker 2: like even some people performed. They're like I'll listen to

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Speaker 2: those kind of things.

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Speaker 1: But it gives you like a butterfly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like I've got this thing with Ed

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Speaker 2: Sharant like I lovesurance. Yeah, it makes me happy. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, But then I love hip hop and rap.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have picked a weird.

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Speaker 3: I helped in a car the other day and it

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Speaker 3: was old school justin Bieber and I didn't say anything,

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Speaker 3: but I was like, what are we listening to?

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Speaker 2: I can imagine listening to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes I put on Baby Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I just was looking through my Spotify and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I feel like listening to something.

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Speaker 3: Old, yeah, nineties like throwback.

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Speaker 2: I like Asap Rocky, like Little Yachty, like the Baby SA.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love you guys so much, so different. That's the best.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys so much for joining. This has

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Speaker 1: been such a yay and I hope it's kicked off

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Speaker 1: everyone's week with a few chuckles.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having