WEBVTT - I'll Stand By You

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Amma mea podcast Muma Mer acknowledges the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional owners of the land and waters.

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast is recorded on.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode discusses suicide and won't be for everyone. If

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<v Speaker 1>you or anyone you know need support, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>list of services available in our show notes. There's something

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<v Speaker 1>special about meeting your person later in life. You have

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<v Speaker 1>a stronger sense of who you are, shaped by everything

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<v Speaker 1>you've been through, the highs the lows, and you move

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<v Speaker 1>with a kind of calm confidence that just fits. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was certainly the case for Amy and Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd spend our days going out to the bush to

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<v Speaker 2>catch yabbies, or to cut firewood, or just listen to nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Two dogs, often often lambs, often rescue kangaroos, and we

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<v Speaker 2>just have this little happy life in this forty foot donga. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I have one the lotto.

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<v Speaker 1>But life always has a way of testing us. The

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<v Speaker 1>longer you live it, the more you're asked to carry,

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<v Speaker 1>and over time that weight can take its toll. Even

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<v Speaker 1>with the stronger support around you, some burdens can feel

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<v Speaker 1>just too heavy to hold.

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<v Speaker 2>He was showing away from therapy, but when he met

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<v Speaker 2>this psychologist. He came home and he's like, things are

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<v Speaker 2>on the up. You know, I had no idea that

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<v Speaker 2>this would happen to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Two weeks later, I'm Georgia Love and this is everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has an ex Come with me as we dive into

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<v Speaker 1>a collection of unconventional stories about relationships past through the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and the hearts of the very people who lived them.

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<v Speaker 1>Meet Amy, thirty seven years old and a single mom

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<v Speaker 1>to a beautiful eight year old daughter named Heidi. It

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<v Speaker 1>had always been just the two of them, not for

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<v Speaker 1>lack of trying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd been dating on Tinder, and I'd had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of bad dates, and I and up all hope of

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<v Speaker 2>finding someone. My Tinder history was colorful. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of interesting stories from that actually, including but not

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<v Speaker 2>limited to, one guy who confessed that he liked to

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<v Speaker 2>eat crayons over while we were eating dinner and asked

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<v Speaker 2>me if that would be a problem moving forward. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the thing was with my Tinder experiences, I was

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<v Speaker 2>always trying to I didn't really feel good enough, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was always trying to impress the person, Whereas what

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<v Speaker 2>I really needed to realize and spend time on my own,

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<v Speaker 2>was that they needed to impress me. And by this

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<v Speaker 2>point I was thirty seven, so I think everyone around me,

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<v Speaker 2>including me, didn't think I would end up with someone.

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<v Speaker 2>It was always just me and Heidi from day one,

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<v Speaker 2>so from when she was a little baby, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was really what we had all thought would be my future.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Amy loved being a mum and she and Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>had a beautiful life. She did want to find a partner.

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<v Speaker 1>She had so much love to give and wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to share the beautiful life she had created

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<v Speaker 1>with someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really lonely and I didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>on my own. I wanted to share my life with

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<v Speaker 2>someone and I really wanted for in particular HARDI to

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<v Speaker 2>have that father figure. I worked really hard. I worked

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<v Speaker 2>full time from when she was a little baby. I

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<v Speaker 2>really didn't have any time off when she was born,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I really wanted to just have that family unit.

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<v Speaker 2>And although I was scared of it, have some support

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<v Speaker 2>from someone else, which the longer I was dating and

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<v Speaker 2>not meeting someone, I almost got scared of having support

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<v Speaker 2>because I never wanted to lose it. That's when I

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<v Speaker 2>just became at peace with not even looking anymore. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's when the universe said to me, here you go,

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<v Speaker 2>here's your man.

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<v Speaker 1>His name was Matt. He'd swiped right as a g

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<v Speaker 1>and he quickly asked her out on a date. With

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<v Speaker 1>her mindset as it was at the time, she went

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<v Speaker 1>into it knowing it was just going to be another

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<v Speaker 1>meeting that goes nowhere, or so she thought.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't the kind of guy that I would usually

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<v Speaker 2>look into. He's a gorgeous guy, but a country boy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, very ozzy, like a little bit bogan, big

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<v Speaker 2>long orange beard. I didn't really put much effort into

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<v Speaker 2>the date, to be honest. Usually I would have bought

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<v Speaker 2>a new outfit or put lots of makeup on. But

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<v Speaker 2>this particular day, Heidi and I had roller skating class,

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<v Speaker 2>and I dropped Heidy off to her babysitters and went

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<v Speaker 2>straight to the bar where I met Matt. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was even running late when I walked in and I

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<v Speaker 2>saw this man in this baby blue collared shirt. He

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<v Speaker 2>was so tall, and he had the biggest smile on

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<v Speaker 2>his face, and I just thought to myself, oh damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in trouble here. I didn't believe in love at

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<v Speaker 2>first sight, but I knew when I assume I've got goosebumps.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as I saw this guy, I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>was it. It was actually a very interesting date. I

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<v Speaker 2>went to the bathroom at one point in time and

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<v Speaker 2>I came out and he had struck up a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with a couple who were there celebrating their fortieth winning anniversary.

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<v Speaker 2>And he'd actually organized a doubles game of pool, and

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<v Speaker 2>I loved that about him, that he could just struck

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<v Speaker 2>up a conversation, you know, so down to earth organized

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<v Speaker 2>this game of Paul and this couple actually had their

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<v Speaker 2>first date forty years ago at that same pub, and

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<v Speaker 2>they asked, how long have you two been together, and

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<v Speaker 2>we said, we've literally just met, and they said, no way,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are destined to be. From there, we decided

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<v Speaker 2>let's continue on the evening, and what better way than

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the National Park and walk through an

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<v Speaker 2>abandoned railway tunnel. And we were walking towards this abandoned

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<v Speaker 2>railway tunnel and I'm kind of like, all confident, and

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<v Speaker 2>then this kangaroo jumps out in front of me and

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<v Speaker 2>I leapt up into Matt's big arms, and he just

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<v Speaker 2>he just went, it's okay. And I sort of folded.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point in time. I went, Okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's got me. He did come back to my place,

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<v Speaker 2>and we always refer to it as the third date

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<v Speaker 2>because it makes us feel better about the fact he

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<v Speaker 2>came home that night. But yeah, we walked into my

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<v Speaker 2>little townhouse and I cracked on and lit the fire,

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<v Speaker 2>and Matt was just standing there looking at me, thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never dated a girl that can roll up her

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<v Speaker 2>sleeves and light a fire. I love like I like

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<v Speaker 2>this girl a lot. And then I decided to put

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<v Speaker 2>some Netflix on and we chose the Ted Bundy movie

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<v Speaker 2>with Zach Efron in it. And when I was telling

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<v Speaker 2>my colleagues at work about what this date like Howard

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<v Speaker 2>had unfolded, they said to me, were you actively trying

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<v Speaker 2>to push this guy away? And I said, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just company was just so awesome, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>just so fun. And it never occurred to me that

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<v Speaker 2>it was super strange what we got.

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<v Speaker 1>Up to that far, but it wasn't strange for them,

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<v Speaker 1>And isn't that the sign you've met your match. It

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<v Speaker 1>was no surprise from that very first or third day.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have eyes for anyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>It was definitely a given. He was such a gentleman,

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<v Speaker 2>so he actually asked me and he even said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd really like to be in an exclusive relationship with you.

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<v Speaker 2>And we just had organized for me, I think, the

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<v Speaker 2>following weekend to go up to the farm, which he

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<v Speaker 2>originally was a bit embarrassed that he lived with his mum.

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<v Speaker 2>They had the family farm since the early eighties, and

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<v Speaker 2>his mom was elderly, and they lived in two different dwellings,

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<v Speaker 2>and he lived in a donga, which for those who

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, is a transportable home. And I didn't find

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<v Speaker 2>that embarrassing at all. I thought, oh, tiny living. I've

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<v Speaker 2>always wanted to do that. But yeah, when I first

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<v Speaker 2>went up to the farm, I thought that I should

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<v Speaker 2>drop a pin to one of my friends just to

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<v Speaker 2>let them know where I was, because seeing all this

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<v Speaker 2>rusty machinery, and I thought, oh, I'm not in Kansas anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like it was a lot. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>very different environment from what I was used to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>farm animals everywhere. I thought it was a bit rub

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<v Speaker 2>zombie or Devil's rejax. He'lls have eyes, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>old banjo diddling ding ding ding ding, Nindy.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course she hadn't needed to worry. As soon

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<v Speaker 1>as she saw Mad in his happy place, it quickly

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<v Speaker 1>became hers too, and that day provided what can be

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<v Speaker 1>a big step in any relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first time I met his mum, Colleen,

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<v Speaker 2>and she just was the most beautiful, the opposite, just tiny,

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<v Speaker 2>but these big blue eyes and just so engaging. He

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<v Speaker 2>had a daughter named Sally, and she was a year

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<v Speaker 2>younger than Heidi. The first time the girls met was

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<v Speaker 2>hilarious in that both of them were clinging onto each

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<v Speaker 2>of us separately, just sort of looking at each other

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<v Speaker 2>from behind us, And all of a sudden, Heidi said

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<v Speaker 2>to Sally, do you want to follow me? And Sally

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<v Speaker 2>said yeah, all right, and off they went, and they

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<v Speaker 2>became thick as thieves from there, and things moved very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was commuting with Heidi from where we lived

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<v Speaker 2>near the city out to the property, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of driving, and we just wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>in each other's lives all the time. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>when you get to that age, if you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it felt so natural. And when Colin and Matt asked

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<v Speaker 2>us to move in. We just did. We moved in

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<v Speaker 2>and that was I think after about six or seven months.

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<v Speaker 2>So I moved in to this donga with Matt and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes Sally and eventually two dogs, often often lambs, often

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<v Speaker 2>rescue kangaroos. And we just had this little happy life

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<v Speaker 2>in this forty foot donger. And yeah, it just really

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<v Speaker 2>was so natural. Basically we'd spend our days going out

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<v Speaker 2>to the bush to catch yabbies or to cut firewood

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<v Speaker 2>or just listen to nature. We did a lot of camping,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fo wool driving. We just let a

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<v Speaker 2>simple life, climbing trees. You know. We all had a

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<v Speaker 2>horse and so we'd ride the horses as a family.

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<v Speaker 2>Very quickly. I was right in the thick of it,

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<v Speaker 2>nutting sheep with Matt or helping deliver a lamb. We

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<v Speaker 2>would talk about the future. We wanted to own a

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<v Speaker 2>thousand acres one day, continue looking after his mum. I

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<v Speaker 2>just loved how safe he made me feel. I've also

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<v Speaker 2>loved the fact he looked after his mum. The other

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<v Speaker 2>thing I liked about him is he was so popular

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<v Speaker 2>and he had so many friends. And where we live,

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<v Speaker 2>they have a brotherhood they call it. But it's a

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<v Speaker 2>group of male friends. They call each other the brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>and we would have a lot of social things with them,

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<v Speaker 2>just at each other's properties, so bonfires, drinks, and when

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<v Speaker 2>he entered the room, the party, the party was on,

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<v Speaker 2>and he would just do silly things, like one time

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<v Speaker 2>he just went off to the back of his patrol

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<v Speaker 2>and grabbed out a man keeni and put that on.

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<v Speaker 2>And he loved his body, and he had no shame

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<v Speaker 2>about his body whatsoever. He was just so happy, very

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<v Speaker 2>much a contrast from where I had been in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>where I was always wanting to be loved like this

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<v Speaker 2>was a proper I always said that my grandfather, who'd

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<v Speaker 2>passed away in twenty seventeen, I always said that my

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<v Speaker 2>grandfather sent Matt to me as a gift, probably a

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<v Speaker 2>year into our relationship. He had been working for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years at the same workshop. He was a steel fabricator,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wasn't happy. And he in particular the on

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<v Speaker 2>site work where he'd have to interface with an architect,

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<v Speaker 2>say to build some stairs that his boss should actually

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<v Speaker 2>be doing that interaction. He found it very stressful. So

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<v Speaker 2>we made the decision that my income could support our

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<v Speaker 2>simple life and that he would be a stay at

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<v Speaker 2>home dad. So he actually stopped working at that point

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<v Speaker 2>and looked after Heidi. I wanted him to just explore

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<v Speaker 2>what made him feel happy and have that time to

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<v Speaker 2>be around the farm, because he was always so busy

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<v Speaker 2>leaving the house at seeks and getting back at seks

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes he would drive to Sally's mom's house to

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<v Speaker 2>say good night to Sally and put her to bed.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was just such a good dad, and I

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted him to just take a beat. He would

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<v Speaker 2>make Heidi's breakfast in the morning, and he would be

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<v Speaker 2>the one going on the school camp. He was the

0:14:34.488 --> 0:14:36.448
<v Speaker 2>silly dad that would be at the sports kind of

0:14:36.448 --> 0:14:39.008
<v Speaker 2>wearing a tutu and that kind of stuff. He just

0:14:39.128 --> 0:14:43.648
<v Speaker 2>really slipped into it, and I loved that, and Heardy

0:14:43.928 --> 0:14:48.208
<v Speaker 2>just adored him, and Sally adored him, and the girls

0:14:48.248 --> 0:14:51.568
<v Speaker 2>were always hanging off him, like hanging around his neck,

0:14:51.648 --> 0:14:55.688
<v Speaker 2>literally like monkey's hanging off him. She called him Mattou,

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<v Speaker 2>my Mattou, and she just loved him. I would say

0:14:59.608 --> 0:15:02.728
<v Speaker 2>it took a couple of months for her to adjust

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<v Speaker 2>because she'd always it had always just been me and her,

0:15:06.888 --> 0:15:10.968
<v Speaker 2>but she she just absolutely loved him, and she loved

0:15:11.008 --> 0:15:15.888
<v Speaker 2>having a sister. And I think that it didn't take

0:15:15.928 --> 0:15:19.768
<v Speaker 2>long for them to and I was hesitant to introduce

0:15:20.248 --> 0:15:24.488
<v Speaker 2>them to each other too soon, but again, it just

0:15:24.808 --> 0:15:28.248
<v Speaker 2>it just felt so right. And probably a couple of

0:15:28.968 --> 0:15:32.328
<v Speaker 2>months or no, probably a couple of weeks after I

0:15:32.408 --> 0:15:40.208
<v Speaker 2>met him, so I always wanted to have maybe another child,

0:15:40.288 --> 0:15:44.728
<v Speaker 2>So Sally was my bonus daughter. I very much always

0:15:45.008 --> 0:15:48.888
<v Speaker 2>have viewed her as that, having this bonus daughter in

0:15:48.928 --> 0:15:52.368
<v Speaker 2>my life who I just adored, and I adored watching

0:15:52.608 --> 0:15:57.528
<v Speaker 2>Matt with Sally, it's just everything. Honestly, I thought I

0:15:57.568 --> 0:15:59.648
<v Speaker 2>have won the lotto. That's how I felt.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no prizes for guessing what came next.

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<v Speaker 2>Every year we have a massive bonfire at our farm.

0:16:07.008 --> 0:16:10.688
<v Speaker 2>We spend a whole year building it. It's usually around

0:16:10.688 --> 0:16:14.768
<v Speaker 2>August or September. And so this particular year, which was

0:16:15.928 --> 0:16:19.168
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, so we were coming out of COVID lockdowns, etc.

0:16:19.968 --> 0:16:23.728
<v Speaker 2>It's probably the first big gathering that we'd had. Matt

0:16:23.728 --> 0:16:28.568
<v Speaker 2>went and asked my parents if he could marry me,

0:16:28.688 --> 0:16:32.168
<v Speaker 2>and they said yes. My mum and dad loved him.

0:16:32.648 --> 0:16:36.728
<v Speaker 2>And then the next morning we were all hungover Dusty

0:16:37.528 --> 0:16:40.328
<v Speaker 2>and he just rolled over in bed and he said, hey, babe,

0:16:40.768 --> 0:16:44.848
<v Speaker 2>do you want to get married? And I said absolutely,

0:16:45.288 --> 0:16:50.328
<v Speaker 2>And then we started planning this amazing wedding which we

0:16:50.448 --> 0:16:53.128
<v Speaker 2>had on the property. It was always a dream of

0:16:53.768 --> 0:16:57.488
<v Speaker 2>Matt's family to have a wedding at the farm. So

0:16:57.528 --> 0:17:00.848
<v Speaker 2>it was one year after we got engaged, pretty much

0:17:00.888 --> 0:17:05.568
<v Speaker 2>to the day that we had the wedding, and we

0:17:05.608 --> 0:17:09.247
<v Speaker 2>had this big sea through Marquee under the stars. We

0:17:09.288 --> 0:17:13.848
<v Speaker 2>got married under two gum trees. We had the best

0:17:13.968 --> 0:17:18.288
<v Speaker 2>night and we had our wedding dance to the Pretender's

0:17:18.328 --> 0:17:22.808
<v Speaker 2>song I'll Stand by You, and the lyrics to that

0:17:22.968 --> 0:17:28.007
<v Speaker 2>song became so important in what was to follow in

0:17:28.048 --> 0:17:32.648
<v Speaker 2>our love story. Very shortly thereafter, because Matt's mum got

0:17:32.768 --> 0:17:37.008
<v Speaker 2>very sick. It took a while for us to work

0:17:37.048 --> 0:17:41.408
<v Speaker 2>out what was wrong, but she was diagnosed with scleroderma,

0:17:41.448 --> 0:17:46.768
<v Speaker 2>which is an autoimmune disease and it basically builds up

0:17:46.808 --> 0:17:52.568
<v Speaker 2>collagen around your body and affects your immune system. She

0:17:52.728 --> 0:17:56.247
<v Speaker 2>was in and out of hospital and it was a

0:17:56.408 --> 0:18:00.288
<v Speaker 2>very stressful time and Matt and I really came together

0:18:00.408 --> 0:18:03.328
<v Speaker 2>as a team. She spent a lot of time in

0:18:03.368 --> 0:18:10.048
<v Speaker 2>bed and we thought maybe she was depressed, or because

0:18:10.088 --> 0:18:13.888
<v Speaker 2>she was so active before, she was always feeding chooks

0:18:13.928 --> 0:18:18.128
<v Speaker 2>and doing gardening and just always at parties. She would

0:18:18.128 --> 0:18:20.207
<v Speaker 2>be at parties to the early hours of the morning.

0:18:21.688 --> 0:18:23.648
<v Speaker 2>But all of that stop. She didn't want to come

0:18:23.688 --> 0:18:30.968
<v Speaker 2>out anymore. And then Matt's half brother, so Colleen's son, David,

0:18:32.008 --> 0:18:36.128
<v Speaker 2>He had a tough life and had druggen alcohol issues

0:18:36.328 --> 0:18:39.848
<v Speaker 2>and he died at the age of about fifty three.

0:18:40.928 --> 0:18:47.008
<v Speaker 2>So that was obviously a really hard time, but little

0:18:47.008 --> 0:18:52.048
<v Speaker 2>did we know what was to follow there. About six

0:18:52.088 --> 0:18:55.928
<v Speaker 2>weeks later, I came home early from work one day

0:18:56.208 --> 0:19:00.048
<v Speaker 2>and Matt had been out during the day cutting firewood

0:19:00.128 --> 0:19:03.768
<v Speaker 2>because he was due to have his tonsils out that week.

0:19:04.048 --> 0:19:08.407
<v Speaker 2>We would never usually leave Colleen at home alone, just

0:19:08.448 --> 0:19:11.728
<v Speaker 2>because in case she or you know, one of us

0:19:11.888 --> 0:19:15.808
<v Speaker 2>was always there. And I got home from work and

0:19:15.848 --> 0:19:19.967
<v Speaker 2>Matt said to me, Ugh, the old chook, that's what

0:19:20.008 --> 0:19:21.888
<v Speaker 2>he called her. The old chook has let the fire

0:19:21.928 --> 0:19:26.768
<v Speaker 2>go out in the house. And I said, Babe, when's

0:19:26.808 --> 0:19:29.608
<v Speaker 2>the last time you have checked on her today? And

0:19:29.648 --> 0:19:31.968
<v Speaker 2>he said, I better go down and do that now.

0:19:33.048 --> 0:19:36.407
<v Speaker 2>And I said, I'm right behind you. And I was

0:19:36.488 --> 0:19:38.928
<v Speaker 2>just putting my farm clothes on, and I was two

0:19:38.968 --> 0:19:43.167
<v Speaker 2>paces behind him, and we came down to the house

0:19:43.248 --> 0:19:47.728
<v Speaker 2>and she was actively dying, and Matt just screamed out

0:19:47.768 --> 0:19:49.808
<v Speaker 2>to me, called ambulance.

0:19:50.848 --> 0:19:52.088
<v Speaker 3>And so.

0:19:53.608 --> 0:19:55.728
<v Speaker 2>I tell you what, if there was ever someone you

0:19:55.808 --> 0:19:59.128
<v Speaker 2>wanted in your corner and a crisis, like a real crisis,

0:20:00.448 --> 0:20:04.088
<v Speaker 2>that was an absolute machine. He just scooped his mom

0:20:04.208 --> 0:20:06.808
<v Speaker 2>up out of bed, put her on the floor, and

0:20:06.848 --> 0:20:10.128
<v Speaker 2>we just went out at CPR for about f forty

0:20:10.168 --> 0:20:15.328
<v Speaker 2>five minutes. We had to keep going till the ambulance arrived,

0:20:15.808 --> 0:20:21.488
<v Speaker 2>and that took a really long time. And when she

0:20:21.768 --> 0:20:29.447
<v Speaker 2>was pronounced dead, Matt was in the fetal position and

0:20:29.688 --> 0:20:36.927
<v Speaker 2>he let out his primal screen and it was just

0:20:37.608 --> 0:20:42.968
<v Speaker 2>the most horrible thing. You see, his heart broke when

0:20:42.968 --> 0:20:46.568
<v Speaker 2>he lost his mom. What I saw in that moment

0:20:46.808 --> 0:20:49.048
<v Speaker 2>was like a five year old boy. That's what I

0:20:49.168 --> 0:20:52.848
<v Speaker 2>was looking at, a little boy who lost his mom

0:20:52.888 --> 0:20:58.208
<v Speaker 2>following the death of his brother and then losing his mom.

0:20:58.768 --> 0:21:03.528
<v Speaker 2>He'd lost his dad in twenty eleven, and it was

0:21:03.568 --> 0:21:06.808
<v Speaker 2>a really hard time and we'd only just really been married.

0:21:07.768 --> 0:21:11.808
<v Speaker 2>We didn't know why she died, and we couldn't really

0:21:11.848 --> 0:21:17.488
<v Speaker 2>get any straight answers and we eventually got the coroner's

0:21:17.608 --> 0:21:24.928
<v Speaker 2>report and it revealed that she had overdosed. So we felt.

0:21:24.608 --> 0:21:29.568
<v Speaker 4>Bad that we had intervened in the way we had,

0:21:30.288 --> 0:21:30.528
<v Speaker 4>but we.

0:21:31.168 --> 0:21:38.808
<v Speaker 2>Had to obviously, but she was ready to go. The house,

0:21:39.168 --> 0:21:43.528
<v Speaker 2>the farm, the property itself felt so scary, just heavy

0:21:43.728 --> 0:21:48.648
<v Speaker 2>and dark after she passed away. And the one thing

0:21:48.728 --> 0:21:53.608
<v Speaker 2>I will say is the community, the brotherhood, their wives,

0:21:53.808 --> 0:21:58.687
<v Speaker 2>everyone just wept in and a good friend of mine

0:21:59.728 --> 0:22:02.768
<v Speaker 2>pulled all the curtains down, pulled all of the bedding off.

0:22:02.808 --> 0:22:06.808
<v Speaker 2>Anything that could be washed got washed, got cleansed. But

0:22:06.928 --> 0:22:12.328
<v Speaker 2>there was a real heaviness over the property, which really

0:22:12.368 --> 0:22:20.088
<v Speaker 2>sort of set the tone moving forward. So we had

0:22:20.128 --> 0:22:23.288
<v Speaker 2>to launch straight into and obviously we didn't know why

0:22:23.368 --> 0:22:26.447
<v Speaker 2>she died, and so we were trying to figure that

0:22:26.648 --> 0:22:32.648
<v Speaker 2>out and navigating her estate. And sadly, Matt has another brother,

0:22:32.768 --> 0:22:38.687
<v Speaker 2>but their relationship dissolved with the finalizing of the estate,

0:22:39.608 --> 0:22:44.808
<v Speaker 2>so he also lost his brother during that process, which

0:22:45.048 --> 0:22:51.128
<v Speaker 2>was just tragic. So how did we cope. We winged it.

0:22:51.368 --> 0:22:55.328
<v Speaker 2>We just had to muck in and get the job done.

0:22:55.528 --> 0:23:00.288
<v Speaker 2>And I did a lot of work helping Matt to

0:23:00.368 --> 0:23:08.088
<v Speaker 2>regulate his emotions because he really even just every day inconveniences.

0:23:08.328 --> 0:23:12.407
<v Speaker 2>If two of them happened once, he would get really frustrated,

0:23:13.208 --> 0:23:16.128
<v Speaker 2>and so I spent a lot of time trying to

0:23:16.168 --> 0:23:19.128
<v Speaker 2>help him regulate and calm him down. And he would

0:23:19.128 --> 0:23:22.208
<v Speaker 2>always be so gracious afterwards and say, oh, baby, help

0:23:22.288 --> 0:23:25.167
<v Speaker 2>me so much, thank you, And he would just the

0:23:25.208 --> 0:23:28.368
<v Speaker 2>big smile would come back, and we'd head out into

0:23:28.448 --> 0:23:32.167
<v Speaker 2>the paddic or we'd hit with poor a drink, but

0:23:32.408 --> 0:23:34.247
<v Speaker 2>we just mucked on, you know.

0:23:34.368 --> 0:23:34.808
<v Speaker 1>We just.

0:23:36.288 --> 0:23:38.528
<v Speaker 2>One foot in front of the other was our mantra.

0:23:39.328 --> 0:23:43.648
<v Speaker 2>We had a really difficult time. He lost his horse's

0:23:43.688 --> 0:23:48.568
<v Speaker 2>best friend passed away. In this He was very strong,

0:23:48.648 --> 0:23:52.768
<v Speaker 2>but when he would get upset and he would really cry.

0:23:53.368 --> 0:23:58.207
<v Speaker 2>Seeing such a big, happy guy just cry, it was

0:23:58.248 --> 0:24:05.728
<v Speaker 2>really hard. It was just awful. And we were looking

0:24:05.808 --> 0:24:10.648
<v Speaker 2>forward to bigger and brighter pastures every year years. We'd say,

0:24:11.208 --> 0:24:13.407
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three is going to be our year, babe.

0:24:13.408 --> 0:24:15.568
<v Speaker 2>What twenty twenty four is going to be our year?

0:24:17.688 --> 0:24:20.848
<v Speaker 1>They promised each other, for better or for worse. What

0:24:20.928 --> 0:24:23.608
<v Speaker 1>they hadn't realized when they made those vows was just

0:24:23.728 --> 0:24:26.248
<v Speaker 1>how soon they would also feel the true gravity of

0:24:26.288 --> 0:24:29.528
<v Speaker 1>their wedding song. Even in your darkest hour, I will

0:24:29.568 --> 0:24:33.128
<v Speaker 1>never desert you. I'll stand by you. Then, less than

0:24:33.128 --> 0:24:36.608
<v Speaker 1>two years after Colin's death, something happened to Amy through

0:24:36.648 --> 0:24:38.648
<v Speaker 1>which she would need Matt to stand by her.

0:24:39.488 --> 0:24:43.687
<v Speaker 2>I felt really sick. I got sepsis and I was

0:24:43.728 --> 0:24:48.407
<v Speaker 2>being told I was fine, and I ended up within

0:24:49.888 --> 0:24:55.008
<v Speaker 2>a day from going into septic shock. I had multiple

0:24:55.048 --> 0:25:00.207
<v Speaker 2>major surgeries over the space of eighteen months. Matt was

0:25:02.128 --> 0:25:08.247
<v Speaker 2>so angry that this could be happening to me and

0:25:08.288 --> 0:25:11.328
<v Speaker 2>that he didn't know how to fix it. Nobody was

0:25:11.368 --> 0:25:15.247
<v Speaker 2>listening to me, and he kept taking me to the

0:25:15.288 --> 0:25:20.048
<v Speaker 2>city to demand them to look at me and do

0:25:20.168 --> 0:25:23.048
<v Speaker 2>some tests and find figure out what was wrong. And

0:25:24.248 --> 0:25:28.528
<v Speaker 2>I just really got gas lit. And he felt that

0:25:29.088 --> 0:25:32.848
<v Speaker 2>he just felt injustice over it. In and out of

0:25:32.888 --> 0:25:39.328
<v Speaker 2>hospital because we weren't getting answers and major surgeries that

0:25:39.488 --> 0:25:43.207
<v Speaker 2>led to complications. I was in a wheelchair for a

0:25:43.248 --> 0:25:48.687
<v Speaker 2>period of time, and I really just lost that that spuck.

0:25:49.408 --> 0:25:53.128
<v Speaker 2>He couldn't come into the hospital. He was too angry,

0:25:53.248 --> 0:25:57.207
<v Speaker 2>and so I had made it clear that, you know,

0:25:57.288 --> 0:26:00.328
<v Speaker 2>my expectations were that he would hold down the ford

0:26:00.368 --> 0:26:04.288
<v Speaker 2>at home, and he was struggling to do that at

0:26:04.288 --> 0:26:10.728
<v Speaker 2>that point. His ability to cope with daily inconveniences really

0:26:10.768 --> 0:26:14.888
<v Speaker 2>impacted the way the house was being able to run.

0:26:15.608 --> 0:26:18.088
<v Speaker 2>It made me worry for Heidi because she would call

0:26:18.128 --> 0:26:22.727
<v Speaker 2>me in hospital and say, Mamma, Matt is not happy tonight.

0:26:23.848 --> 0:26:28.888
<v Speaker 2>And it made me frustrated because I was the one

0:26:28.928 --> 0:26:33.848
<v Speaker 2>that was sick, but I was still satellite parenting the situation.

0:26:34.208 --> 0:26:40.248
<v Speaker 2>So I felt like, in a way I needed something

0:26:40.328 --> 0:26:43.368
<v Speaker 2>from him that he wasn't able to provide me with,

0:26:43.728 --> 0:26:49.727
<v Speaker 2>which was, I guess, really difficult on top of the pane,

0:26:50.048 --> 0:26:54.608
<v Speaker 2>and psychologically I was not in a good place. I

0:26:54.808 --> 0:26:59.968
<v Speaker 2>was really struggling to, I guess, connect with where.

0:26:59.728 --> 0:27:00.768
<v Speaker 3>Matt was at.

0:27:01.088 --> 0:27:05.967
<v Speaker 2>I started building up a resent there that you know,

0:27:06.248 --> 0:27:10.967
<v Speaker 2>even as much as I was communicating those things, it

0:27:11.008 --> 0:27:15.288
<v Speaker 2>was almost like he would get overwhelmed just by me

0:27:15.368 --> 0:27:20.768
<v Speaker 2>saying that, and so to de escalate the situation, I

0:27:20.808 --> 0:27:24.528
<v Speaker 2>guess I was still cracking on. Even when I was

0:27:24.568 --> 0:27:29.407
<v Speaker 2>in my wheelchair, I was still cracking on, and I

0:27:29.608 --> 0:27:35.888
<v Speaker 2>was really questioning where my person had gone. I guess

0:27:35.928 --> 0:27:41.688
<v Speaker 2>in a relationship having resent but also loving someone, those

0:27:41.728 --> 0:27:45.768
<v Speaker 2>two things can coexist, and it's a very difficult space

0:27:45.848 --> 0:27:51.688
<v Speaker 2>to navigate. In particular when you're physically unwell, but when

0:27:51.728 --> 0:27:57.768
<v Speaker 2>you're mentally unwell as well, your mind will tend to think, well,

0:27:58.048 --> 0:28:00.728
<v Speaker 2>where do we go from here? You know, there's only

0:28:00.808 --> 0:28:04.328
<v Speaker 2>so many things I guess that one person can take.

0:28:04.648 --> 0:28:09.967
<v Speaker 2>And we kept going back to that I'll stand by you,

0:28:11.008 --> 0:28:14.008
<v Speaker 2>those lyrics, you know, like I've got your back, But

0:28:14.368 --> 0:28:20.528
<v Speaker 2>it was very hard to acknowledge that love that was

0:28:20.568 --> 0:28:22.088
<v Speaker 2>the undercurrent through all of this.

0:28:22.288 --> 0:28:24.808
<v Speaker 1>They were also dealing with the hows and whys around

0:28:24.808 --> 0:28:27.128
<v Speaker 1>what Amy had gone through and whether it could have

0:28:27.168 --> 0:28:29.208
<v Speaker 1>constituted medical malpractice.

0:28:29.488 --> 0:28:33.167
<v Speaker 2>Matt was adamant that I pursue investigations on the matter,

0:28:33.248 --> 0:28:35.688
<v Speaker 2>even though I was still fighting for my life. He

0:28:36.128 --> 0:28:43.128
<v Speaker 2>was angry, and so we started couple's therapy to help

0:28:43.168 --> 0:28:46.328
<v Speaker 2>with the communication piece and also to make an informed

0:28:46.368 --> 0:28:50.248
<v Speaker 2>decision about whether or not that would be a good

0:28:50.288 --> 0:28:53.648
<v Speaker 2>idea for me or us as a couple. I was

0:28:53.728 --> 0:28:59.208
<v Speaker 2>having individual therapy. It came out pretty early on in

0:28:59.248 --> 0:29:04.968
<v Speaker 2>the couple's therapy that Matt wanted to seek individual therapy

0:29:05.008 --> 0:29:13.368
<v Speaker 2>as well. And actually my psychologist told me that there

0:29:13.528 --> 0:29:19.088
<v Speaker 2>was a mental health master class being held in the

0:29:19.088 --> 0:29:23.168
<v Speaker 2>city which was free. He wracked up in his work

0:29:23.208 --> 0:29:26.168
<v Speaker 2>cute and he got out and he said, I'm here

0:29:26.248 --> 0:29:31.208
<v Speaker 2>for the mental health talk. And the psychologist said, well,

0:29:31.208 --> 0:29:34.208
<v Speaker 2>this is embarrassing, Matt. You're the only person to show up.

0:29:35.608 --> 0:29:38.928
<v Speaker 2>And he said, but it's fine. We get to have

0:29:38.968 --> 0:29:43.448
<v Speaker 2>a chat just the two of us. And this psychologist

0:29:43.608 --> 0:29:47.608
<v Speaker 2>would go on to be an important part of the story,

0:29:47.648 --> 0:29:50.968
<v Speaker 2>but Matt had an hour and a half with him,

0:29:51.288 --> 0:29:54.768
<v Speaker 2>and this psychologist specialized in men's mental health, so he

0:29:54.848 --> 0:29:57.368
<v Speaker 2>had a way of phrasing things in such a way

0:29:57.408 --> 0:30:00.648
<v Speaker 2>that Matt could relate to. He came home and he's like,

0:30:00.848 --> 0:30:03.848
<v Speaker 2>things are on the up, you know, And he was

0:30:04.048 --> 0:30:07.528
<v Speaker 2>just sort of replaying the way that the psychologist had

0:30:07.568 --> 0:30:11.128
<v Speaker 2>explained things to him. I think just the way he

0:30:11.688 --> 0:30:16.568
<v Speaker 2>was able to describe to Matt and create analogies for

0:30:16.808 --> 0:30:22.288
<v Speaker 2>him of mental health being like looking out the windscreen

0:30:22.608 --> 0:30:25.448
<v Speaker 2>or looking at the dashboard when you're driving. You need

0:30:25.488 --> 0:30:28.968
<v Speaker 2>to have an accurate balance. It's a juggling act of

0:30:29.288 --> 0:30:31.848
<v Speaker 2>how you sort of If you spend all your time

0:30:31.888 --> 0:30:34.008
<v Speaker 2>looking at the wind screen, you wouldn't know what speed

0:30:34.008 --> 0:30:36.848
<v Speaker 2>you're going, for example. But if you only looked at

0:30:36.888 --> 0:30:40.408
<v Speaker 2>your dashboard, then you wouldn't see other cars and you'd

0:30:40.448 --> 0:30:43.168
<v Speaker 2>have an accident. So he had a way of explaining

0:30:43.208 --> 0:30:45.968
<v Speaker 2>these analogies that made sense to Matt, and I was

0:30:46.008 --> 0:30:49.488
<v Speaker 2>so happy. I just thought, Okay, everything is going to

0:30:49.488 --> 0:30:53.848
<v Speaker 2>be okay. And I had no idea that this would

0:30:53.888 --> 0:30:59.608
<v Speaker 2>happen to me two weeks later, fast forward two weeks

0:31:00.848 --> 0:31:03.928
<v Speaker 2>as part of the investigations that Matt desperately wanted me

0:31:04.008 --> 0:31:08.448
<v Speaker 2>to do, Monday was the deadline to submit all the

0:31:08.808 --> 0:31:15.848
<v Speaker 2>evidence to lawyers regarding my medical issues and preparing that

0:31:15.928 --> 0:31:22.488
<v Speaker 2>kind of evidence and more paperwork, and that was such

0:31:22.568 --> 0:31:26.808
<v Speaker 2>a big body of work. And I had told Matt

0:31:26.928 --> 0:31:30.448
<v Speaker 2>that I needed the whole weekend uninterrupted to do that.

0:31:31.408 --> 0:31:34.568
<v Speaker 2>You know, babe, just just have a weekend whar you're

0:31:34.688 --> 0:31:37.328
<v Speaker 2>chill and the kids are looked after, and I'll just

0:31:37.368 --> 0:31:41.128
<v Speaker 2>be there plowing away through my spreadsheet. He didn't know

0:31:41.168 --> 0:31:44.608
<v Speaker 2>how to use technology, so he had sausage fingers and

0:31:44.688 --> 0:31:49.368
<v Speaker 2>he's boiler maker, and he was very, I guess self

0:31:49.408 --> 0:31:54.048
<v Speaker 2>conscious about his lack of technology skills. And he could

0:31:54.088 --> 0:31:56.448
<v Speaker 2>have helped me, if it is sat with me for

0:31:56.488 --> 0:31:58.528
<v Speaker 2>five minutes. I could have told him how to name

0:31:58.568 --> 0:32:01.608
<v Speaker 2>file names. But the point was it was just easier

0:32:01.688 --> 0:32:05.088
<v Speaker 2>if he Because there's a lot to do on the property,

0:32:05.168 --> 0:32:07.168
<v Speaker 2>and so it was going to be easier for me

0:32:07.528 --> 0:32:10.808
<v Speaker 2>if he was just doing that, but he kept coming

0:32:10.848 --> 0:32:13.608
<v Speaker 2>in to my office. I was like a toddler that's

0:32:13.648 --> 0:32:15.568
<v Speaker 2>wanting to reach out to its mum. You know, hey,

0:32:15.648 --> 0:32:19.448
<v Speaker 2>I need help with this quote. Because he had started

0:32:19.488 --> 0:32:22.848
<v Speaker 2>his own business by then, which was going really, really well.

0:32:23.808 --> 0:32:26.208
<v Speaker 2>And I reminded him that this quote wasn't due till

0:32:26.208 --> 0:32:28.688
<v Speaker 2>the following Friday, and that I would be with him

0:32:28.728 --> 0:32:33.168
<v Speaker 2>at three pm on Monday when this work was submitted,

0:32:33.928 --> 0:32:36.008
<v Speaker 2>but then there would be something else, and he was

0:32:36.088 --> 0:32:39.528
<v Speaker 2>just buying out for my attention, and he wasn't, I guess,

0:32:39.568 --> 0:32:43.368
<v Speaker 2>his normal bubbly self. It was manifesting as he was

0:32:43.448 --> 0:32:46.648
<v Speaker 2>angry at me, but I think he was actually angry

0:32:46.688 --> 0:32:50.568
<v Speaker 2>at the fact that he couldn't assist and he felt

0:32:50.808 --> 0:32:53.368
<v Speaker 2>like he was letting me down and he didn't know

0:32:53.408 --> 0:32:57.968
<v Speaker 2>how to fix it. On the Monday, I went to

0:32:58.128 --> 0:33:01.288
<v Speaker 2>drop Heidi at school as I usually would. It's quite

0:33:01.288 --> 0:33:05.808
<v Speaker 2>a drive and I came back and Matt was on

0:33:05.968 --> 0:33:09.488
<v Speaker 2>the four wheeler on the road and he looked happy,

0:33:09.848 --> 0:33:13.408
<v Speaker 2>you know, And I still had to complete this deadline, right,

0:33:13.488 --> 0:33:16.608
<v Speaker 2>So I went to my office and he I was

0:33:16.648 --> 0:33:20.168
<v Speaker 2>working all day. He was he had his clipboard and

0:33:20.328 --> 0:33:24.528
<v Speaker 2>his glasses on, and he was walking around fabricating stuff.

0:33:25.248 --> 0:33:30.248
<v Speaker 2>And he had his GP appointment at twenty past three,

0:33:30.568 --> 0:33:33.368
<v Speaker 2>which was to get the mental health plan so that

0:33:33.408 --> 0:33:36.848
<v Speaker 2>he could continue working with the psychologist from the masterclass.

0:33:37.808 --> 0:33:39.408
<v Speaker 2>When he got off the phone, I could hear that

0:33:39.528 --> 0:33:43.288
<v Speaker 2>he was whimpering, and so I stepped up from my

0:33:43.408 --> 0:33:45.888
<v Speaker 2>desk and I said to him, baby, are you okay?

0:33:45.968 --> 0:33:48.368
<v Speaker 2>And he said, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. And I said,

0:33:48.368 --> 0:33:51.208
<v Speaker 2>do you want to just come into my office like privacy?

0:33:51.288 --> 0:33:53.528
<v Speaker 3>And he just switched.

0:33:54.368 --> 0:33:58.168
<v Speaker 2>He went from being sad to his eyes doing this

0:33:58.288 --> 0:34:01.008
<v Speaker 2>thing that I'd never seen, you know, that vacant looking

0:34:01.048 --> 0:34:05.128
<v Speaker 2>down at the floor. I was being really calm, but

0:34:05.248 --> 0:34:08.687
<v Speaker 2>he just said, I'm over it. I'm over it. And

0:34:08.728 --> 0:34:11.688
<v Speaker 2>he was yelling at me, and I said, what, babey,

0:34:11.688 --> 0:34:14.928
<v Speaker 2>what are you over? I like, are you over? You

0:34:14.928 --> 0:34:18.687
<v Speaker 2>know the legal stuff? Your work, the marriage will tell

0:34:18.728 --> 0:34:22.168
<v Speaker 2>me more own. He said, I just need to go

0:34:22.208 --> 0:34:25.648
<v Speaker 2>for a walk. In the couple's therapy, we'd made a

0:34:25.728 --> 0:34:30.567
<v Speaker 2>verbal contract that me regulating his emotions wasn't good for

0:34:30.688 --> 0:34:33.527
<v Speaker 2>me and I needed to stop doing that. So he

0:34:33.568 --> 0:34:36.208
<v Speaker 2>made a verbal contract that when he needed to go

0:34:36.248 --> 0:34:39.088
<v Speaker 2>and self regulate, he would say, I'm going for a walk.

0:34:39.928 --> 0:34:42.208
<v Speaker 2>We would do to have a couple's therapy on Zoom

0:34:42.528 --> 0:34:46.167
<v Speaker 2>at four o'clock. So this I'm over and I'm going

0:34:46.208 --> 0:34:50.408
<v Speaker 2>for a walk was about twenty to four, and I thought, Okay,

0:34:50.488 --> 0:34:52.928
<v Speaker 2>he's going off for a walk and he'll circle back.

0:34:54.048 --> 0:34:58.208
<v Speaker 2>And he didn't come back, and I was so angry.

0:34:59.168 --> 0:35:02.888
<v Speaker 4>I thought, how dare you you know?

0:35:03.088 --> 0:35:06.368
<v Speaker 2>That morning I had bought the makings for our favorite

0:35:06.408 --> 0:35:09.328
<v Speaker 2>family meal. I then went to cook this dinner. And

0:35:09.368 --> 0:35:11.768
<v Speaker 2>I'm still angry because he hasn't shown up, and he

0:35:11.808 --> 0:35:16.448
<v Speaker 2>hasn't answered his messages, and he hasn't been online for

0:35:16.528 --> 0:35:21.288
<v Speaker 2>an hour or so. At this point, I text him

0:35:21.448 --> 0:35:26.928
<v Speaker 2>tease ready and didn't hear anything, and put dinner on

0:35:27.008 --> 0:35:30.888
<v Speaker 2>the table and heid he said, Mama, can I go

0:35:31.008 --> 0:35:35.408
<v Speaker 2>fun match to me? And something came over me and

0:35:35.528 --> 0:35:40.567
<v Speaker 2>I said, no, baby, I'm going. It was raining and

0:35:40.648 --> 0:35:43.968
<v Speaker 2>I walked outside and I walked up to his shed

0:35:44.248 --> 0:35:49.808
<v Speaker 2>and there was probably one meter gap. You can see.

0:35:49.848 --> 0:35:54.408
<v Speaker 2>The light was on, and I think my subconscious experience

0:35:54.448 --> 0:35:56.368
<v Speaker 2>what I was about to see before my body and

0:35:56.408 --> 0:35:59.808
<v Speaker 2>my eyesight was ready to accept it. So I actually,

0:35:59.808 --> 0:36:01.968
<v Speaker 2>when I walked in, I looked to the right, which

0:36:02.128 --> 0:36:04.928
<v Speaker 2>is sort of a storage area where a car is.

0:36:04.928 --> 0:36:08.688
<v Speaker 2>He wouldn't likely be there. But then I looked to

0:36:08.728 --> 0:36:09.527
<v Speaker 2>the left.

0:36:09.248 --> 0:36:18.168
<v Speaker 3>And I him.

0:36:18.408 --> 0:36:23.328
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I had sunscreen over my eyes. I

0:36:23.328 --> 0:36:27.368
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see. I had my phone on me, and I

0:36:27.488 --> 0:36:32.688
<v Speaker 2>called Triple zero and we all know that I've done

0:36:32.768 --> 0:36:35.928
<v Speaker 2>CPR before on his mum, but there was no CPR

0:36:36.008 --> 0:36:41.008
<v Speaker 2>that was required. The next thing I knew, some neighbors

0:36:41.088 --> 0:36:44.928
<v Speaker 2>rocked up, but then Matt's best friend, who's a policeman

0:36:45.048 --> 0:36:50.888
<v Speaker 2>and has attended many suicides before, he ran up and

0:36:50.928 --> 0:36:54.248
<v Speaker 2>he just went, oh, mate, no, And then you just

0:36:54.328 --> 0:36:58.168
<v Speaker 2>saw his training switch on and he went into police

0:36:58.248 --> 0:37:00.808
<v Speaker 2>boat and he just said to me, fine, something to

0:37:00.888 --> 0:37:01.928
<v Speaker 2>cut him down with.

0:37:02.848 --> 0:37:02.968
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:37:03.008 --> 0:37:05.488
<v Speaker 4>The next thing I remember is being inside with the

0:37:05.568 --> 0:37:08.928
<v Speaker 4>ambulance people who tried to check me to see if

0:37:08.928 --> 0:37:09.568
<v Speaker 4>I was okay.

0:37:10.888 --> 0:37:14.288
<v Speaker 2>I'd been through the whole death at home thing before,

0:37:15.488 --> 0:37:17.608
<v Speaker 2>so I knew that we were going to be interviewed

0:37:17.648 --> 0:37:23.448
<v Speaker 2>and separated by the police. And I said to the

0:37:23.488 --> 0:37:27.448
<v Speaker 2>police I had a disagreement with him, this is my fault,

0:37:27.848 --> 0:37:35.408
<v Speaker 2>and they said, everybody has disagreements Amy. When he hung

0:37:35.488 --> 0:37:37.768
<v Speaker 2>up from his GP, the last thing you saying to

0:37:37.808 --> 0:37:40.368
<v Speaker 2>his GP was I just can't handle.

0:37:40.048 --> 0:37:44.248
<v Speaker 4>What's happening to Amy. So I felt like it was

0:37:44.288 --> 0:37:48.127
<v Speaker 4>all my fault. That was the one time I didn't

0:37:48.208 --> 0:37:54.607
<v Speaker 4>regulate his emotions and I stuck to the verbal contract

0:37:54.688 --> 0:37:55.288
<v Speaker 4>we had.

0:37:55.208 --> 0:38:02.488
<v Speaker 2>Made, and a backfire so badly. I remember all of

0:38:03.328 --> 0:38:07.408
<v Speaker 2>the whole brotherhood and all the wives were there within

0:38:07.488 --> 0:38:11.527
<v Speaker 2>a flash, and they were all patiently waiting for me

0:38:11.968 --> 0:38:14.168
<v Speaker 2>to be the first one to go into the shed

0:38:14.208 --> 0:38:19.047
<v Speaker 2>to say goodbye before they took him away. I don't

0:38:19.088 --> 0:38:21.488
<v Speaker 2>remember this, but apparently I went in and kissed him

0:38:21.488 --> 0:38:25.568
<v Speaker 2>on his phone, and then I'd remember just patting him

0:38:25.608 --> 0:38:34.448
<v Speaker 2>like you would an acquaintance. We had a beautiful funeral.

0:38:35.008 --> 0:38:38.008
<v Speaker 2>I got a coffin which was custom printed with photos

0:38:38.048 --> 0:38:41.968
<v Speaker 2>of the girls all over it, and I promised i'd

0:38:41.968 --> 0:38:44.848
<v Speaker 2>buy him a Harley for his fiftieth birthday, but he

0:38:44.888 --> 0:38:49.288
<v Speaker 2>didn't make it to fifty, so I got him a Hollyharse,

0:38:50.048 --> 0:38:54.448
<v Speaker 2>and the Holly Hearse drove to the service. So he

0:38:54.648 --> 0:38:57.127
<v Speaker 2>was just this coffin with pictures of his girls all

0:38:57.128 --> 0:39:00.848
<v Speaker 2>over it on a side car of a Harley and

0:39:02.048 --> 0:39:06.528
<v Speaker 2>it was the best worst day of my life. Both

0:39:06.608 --> 0:39:13.208
<v Speaker 2>the girls spoke at the service. They were only thirteen

0:39:13.248 --> 0:39:17.168
<v Speaker 2>and fourteen at that time. Sally wrote a poem about

0:39:17.208 --> 0:39:20.208
<v Speaker 2>her daddy and how she never got to say goodbye

0:39:20.248 --> 0:39:24.888
<v Speaker 2>and if she only had five minutes, and Heidi did

0:39:24.928 --> 0:39:30.087
<v Speaker 2>a really beautiful speech where she made a few jokes

0:39:30.248 --> 0:39:33.088
<v Speaker 2>like I even got to drive your new car before

0:39:33.168 --> 0:39:37.008
<v Speaker 2>mom did. And I didn't ask the girls to speak.

0:39:37.088 --> 0:39:41.088
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to speak. And I made this.

0:39:42.128 --> 0:39:48.448
<v Speaker 5>Video which was so perfect and so tragic, and it

0:39:48.608 --> 0:39:52.768
<v Speaker 5>was just all these memories, including video.

0:39:52.568 --> 0:39:55.208
<v Speaker 2>With audio of him being with his girls and with

0:39:55.288 --> 0:39:59.568
<v Speaker 2>his friends, and I really wanted to honor the person

0:39:59.688 --> 0:40:06.688
<v Speaker 2>he was. And the psychologist from the masterclass before the funeral,

0:40:06.968 --> 0:40:10.087
<v Speaker 2>I rang him and I said, I'm too scared ask

0:40:10.168 --> 0:40:15.687
<v Speaker 2>you this because I'm afraid you'll say no. But can

0:40:15.728 --> 0:40:18.288
<v Speaker 2>you please be your time to come and talk to

0:40:18.368 --> 0:40:24.728
<v Speaker 2>the brotherhood about mental health because the day after Matt died,

0:40:25.288 --> 0:40:28.968
<v Speaker 2>there were about thirty people on our property for weeks

0:40:29.808 --> 0:40:35.688
<v Speaker 2>and they were working through their grief, just fixing stuff

0:40:35.728 --> 0:40:41.047
<v Speaker 2>and swearing at Matt under their breath. But one thing

0:40:41.088 --> 0:40:43.208
<v Speaker 2>that became clear to me is that a lot of

0:40:43.208 --> 0:40:46.168
<v Speaker 2>them had had thoughts of suicide in the past, and

0:40:46.248 --> 0:40:48.928
<v Speaker 2>so I called this psychologist and I said, can I

0:40:49.048 --> 0:40:52.047
<v Speaker 2>pay you to come and talk to the brothers and

0:40:52.168 --> 0:40:55.688
<v Speaker 2>I'll put on some sausages and some beer. And he said, oh, come,

0:40:55.688 --> 0:40:59.087
<v Speaker 2>but you can't pay me. And so he came and

0:40:59.128 --> 0:41:02.888
<v Speaker 2>did his master class in our country town and the

0:41:02.928 --> 0:41:06.448
<v Speaker 2>whole was full of people. And so it went from

0:41:06.728 --> 0:41:09.047
<v Speaker 2>the one on one with Matt he had in the

0:41:09.088 --> 0:41:12.928
<v Speaker 2>city to this room full of men just searching for

0:41:13.008 --> 0:41:17.647
<v Speaker 2>connection and answers as to why Matt had gone. And

0:41:19.808 --> 0:41:23.408
<v Speaker 2>that was just trying to give that back, was one

0:41:23.408 --> 0:41:27.088
<v Speaker 2>of my ways of trying to pay it for it

0:41:27.208 --> 0:41:32.888
<v Speaker 2>and make Mats find some meaning and purpose. I bought

0:41:32.888 --> 0:41:36.688
<v Speaker 2>a Bonzie tree and I got a piece of steel

0:41:36.888 --> 0:41:42.248
<v Speaker 2>from MAT's shed, and I carved the piece of steel.

0:41:42.808 --> 0:41:45.968
<v Speaker 2>I engraved it with the words you are valued, needed,

0:41:46.008 --> 0:41:49.448
<v Speaker 2>and loved, which those words are what we should say

0:41:49.448 --> 0:41:53.688
<v Speaker 2>to our men every day, because they don't know how

0:41:53.728 --> 0:42:00.288
<v Speaker 2>to they might not necessarily realize that. So I presented

0:42:00.328 --> 0:42:02.567
<v Speaker 2>that in front of all the blokes, and I was

0:42:02.648 --> 0:42:05.527
<v Speaker 2>so happy to see everyone there, and I even brought

0:42:05.568 --> 0:42:08.408
<v Speaker 2>Matt's ashes in. We came back in an hour and

0:42:08.448 --> 0:42:10.448
<v Speaker 2>they were still going, and they were still going an

0:42:10.488 --> 0:42:12.888
<v Speaker 2>hour after that, and it felt.

0:42:12.728 --> 0:42:16.328
<v Speaker 1>Great, and it went further than Matt's friends, the community

0:42:16.408 --> 0:42:19.047
<v Speaker 1>and the brotherhood. When Amy got around to selling one

0:42:19.048 --> 0:42:21.888
<v Speaker 1>of Matt's old cars, she had an interaction that could

0:42:21.968 --> 0:42:23.928
<v Speaker 1>only be viewed as a sign from above.

0:42:24.408 --> 0:42:26.848
<v Speaker 2>I did a lot of research as to what I

0:42:26.848 --> 0:42:30.288
<v Speaker 2>would value that at and I stuffed it up and

0:42:30.328 --> 0:42:34.968
<v Speaker 2>put online way too cheap, and just had dozens of

0:42:35.008 --> 0:42:37.888
<v Speaker 2>people messaging me straight away. I knew I'd made a mistake.

0:42:38.648 --> 0:42:41.408
<v Speaker 2>And anyway, this guy messaged me, this young bloke, and

0:42:41.448 --> 0:42:46.448
<v Speaker 2>he said, mate, take it down, it's too cheap. And

0:42:46.688 --> 0:42:49.808
<v Speaker 2>I messaged him back saying thank you, and I gave

0:42:49.928 --> 0:42:52.888
<v Speaker 2>him the sort of a high level picture of what

0:42:53.008 --> 0:42:55.168
<v Speaker 2>had happened. And he wrote back to me the next

0:42:55.248 --> 0:42:59.728
<v Speaker 2>day and he said that he'd been thinking about it,

0:43:00.568 --> 0:43:04.328
<v Speaker 2>and he said that I actually saved his life. And

0:43:04.368 --> 0:43:07.567
<v Speaker 2>he said, but he'd never considered what mess he'd be

0:43:07.728 --> 0:43:12.888
<v Speaker 2>leaving behind for his family. So I think that even

0:43:12.888 --> 0:43:16.688
<v Speaker 2>though people call me brave for talking about Matt's story,

0:43:16.768 --> 0:43:19.928
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like it's ove. I feel like it's necessary.

0:43:21.808 --> 0:43:26.368
<v Speaker 2>And this one interaction on marketplace of a guy that

0:43:26.568 --> 0:43:30.648
<v Speaker 2>was just looking out for me. You know. I just

0:43:30.728 --> 0:43:35.208
<v Speaker 2>think that Matt's greatness is living on even after he's gone.

0:43:35.808 --> 0:43:38.248
<v Speaker 1>While Amy was able to find these silver linings in

0:43:38.288 --> 0:43:41.448
<v Speaker 1>helping others, they of course were in the darkest of clouds.

0:43:42.048 --> 0:43:44.808
<v Speaker 1>Her grief is still raw and the heartbreak and gravity

0:43:44.848 --> 0:43:46.208
<v Speaker 1>of her loss ever present.

0:43:46.608 --> 0:43:49.288
<v Speaker 2>I felt like, as a surviving partner, I had a

0:43:49.368 --> 0:43:55.168
<v Speaker 2>responsibility to carry other people's grief because he chose. But

0:43:55.288 --> 0:44:00.208
<v Speaker 2>I understand now that he didn't choose it. I understand

0:44:00.288 --> 0:44:03.648
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't him in that moment, and I know that

0:44:03.848 --> 0:44:08.728
<v Speaker 2>he didn't plan to leave us. It's just he was

0:44:08.888 --> 0:44:12.448
<v Speaker 2>actively making plans like getting his mental health plan and

0:44:12.528 --> 0:44:13.928
<v Speaker 2>running his business that day.

0:44:15.248 --> 0:44:16.928
<v Speaker 3>Just in that moment he.

0:44:18.528 --> 0:44:25.688
<v Speaker 2>Couldn't deal with it. And unfortunately, I think with suicide

0:44:26.688 --> 0:44:33.167
<v Speaker 2>it's like another flavor of grief. And I think, as

0:44:33.208 --> 0:44:38.248
<v Speaker 2>with all grief, losing your partner or husband, you don't

0:44:38.288 --> 0:44:41.127
<v Speaker 2>just lose the partnership and the other person, you lose

0:44:41.168 --> 0:44:46.448
<v Speaker 2>yourself in the process. You just put one foot in

0:44:46.488 --> 0:44:48.808
<v Speaker 2>front of the other and you wing it. If something

0:44:48.848 --> 0:44:54.008
<v Speaker 2>breaks down, you go to TikTok and you celebrate your wins.

0:44:54.888 --> 0:45:00.768
<v Speaker 2>It is so scary sitting with your feelings. That nighttime

0:45:00.848 --> 0:45:03.648
<v Speaker 2>before I go to bed, I sit under the stars,

0:45:04.688 --> 0:45:10.047
<v Speaker 2>and I'm right in a journal and I'm doing an

0:45:10.048 --> 0:45:14.608
<v Speaker 2>insane twenty hours of silence challenge to raise money for

0:45:14.688 --> 0:45:20.488
<v Speaker 2>mental health, and I just keep myself busy. But I

0:45:20.608 --> 0:45:24.328
<v Speaker 2>make sure that I am in regular so I'm in

0:45:24.408 --> 0:45:30.328
<v Speaker 2>therapy once a week. And because I was already being

0:45:30.368 --> 0:45:34.648
<v Speaker 2>treated for PTSD following my illness, I've got like a

0:45:34.688 --> 0:45:40.087
<v Speaker 2>complex PTSD thing going on. So I keep in touch

0:45:40.128 --> 0:45:43.608
<v Speaker 2>with my doctors and make sure as much as possible

0:45:44.488 --> 0:45:48.968
<v Speaker 2>to try and care for myself, which I'm still got

0:45:49.008 --> 0:45:51.528
<v Speaker 2>my l plates on it that if I'm being honest,

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<v Speaker 2>but I am learning. I mainly just I mainly just

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<v Speaker 2>miss my best friend and I'm really lonely in the quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt used to talk a lot. He never shut up,

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<v Speaker 2>actually he was so and now it's just quiet, and

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<v Speaker 2>I sort of think I miss you, and I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm sorry that I don't get to hear you

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<v Speaker 2>buzzing in my ear.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not angry with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I try and feel him in the wind and in

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<v Speaker 2>the land. And you know, when I'm listening to the

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<v Speaker 2>horse's grace, I look for.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel his big love energy when he even when

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<v Speaker 2>he's gone, like when his mom died, it was scary.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never once felt sad. I just feel the forty

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<v Speaker 2>acres of big love. And we'll get there because we

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<v Speaker 2>have to. I am sad, but I'm safe and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>functioning and I'm showing up and I'm going to work

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<v Speaker 2>every day. But I'm not okay. But what is making

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<v Speaker 2>it better is these beautiful this beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Army I have around me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just about me being strong. I'm being ware,

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<v Speaker 2>being held up by everyone around us, and that makes

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<v Speaker 2>me okay. It makes my heart happy because.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that we're not alone.

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