WEBVTT - 'Personality Hire' Is Not A Dirty Word 0:00:06.610 --> 0:00:09.290 You're listening to a Mom with mea podcast. 0:00:13.410 --> 0:00:17.890 Hello, and welcome to Bizz Your Work Life Sorted. I'm 0:00:18.009 --> 0:00:21.410 m Vernon and today we're diving into something that's probably 0:00:21.450 --> 0:00:24.050 made you fear for your life as well as intrigued 0:00:24.090 --> 0:00:27.170 you at the same time. It's the concept of being 0:00:27.250 --> 0:00:31.290 a personality higher. So the personality higher is someone who 0:00:31.370 --> 0:00:34.650 seems to make everything way more fun that the person 0:00:34.650 --> 0:00:37.690 who somehow manages to have the senior leaders wrapped around 0:00:37.690 --> 0:00:40.210 their little finger, and that the person in the office 0:00:40.250 --> 0:00:43.810 that everyone wants to have afterwork drinks with. So, whether 0:00:43.890 --> 0:00:46.610 you are that person, or you're secretly wanted to be 0:00:46.730 --> 0:00:50.530 that person, or you know this person, this episode is 0:00:50.570 --> 0:00:54.050 going to challenge how you think about personality at work. 0:00:54.890 --> 0:00:59.290 Our career coaches are Michelle Battersbee, who founded Sunroom, and Sophrst, 0:00:59.330 --> 0:01:02.450 who runs her own coaching business, Work Baby, and they're 0:01:02.490 --> 0:01:05.890 breaking down the real tension between vibes and product activity. 0:01:06.649 --> 0:01:08.170 God, this is going to piss some people off, but 0:01:08.490 --> 0:01:12.730 I'm gonna say it, personality hires are arguably more important 0:01:13.209 --> 0:01:15.809 than people that do actual work. Let me explain, let 0:01:15.850 --> 0:01:16.209 me explain. 0:01:16.289 --> 0:01:16.769 Let's explain. 0:01:17.649 --> 0:01:21.090 Anyone can do work. Anyone can be a good employee. 0:01:21.130 --> 0:01:24.130 Anyone can go and then send an email. Anyone can 0:01:24.209 --> 0:01:26.970 do that. It takes a specific type of person to 0:01:27.089 --> 0:01:31.330 keep the company culture fun and like funny and keep 0:01:31.369 --> 0:01:34.410 the office like in good spirits. And that's where we 0:01:34.449 --> 0:01:37.610 come in. That's where personality hires come in, because I 0:01:37.770 --> 0:01:41.169 solely got my corporate job from having a good personality. 0:01:41.569 --> 0:01:44.890 Okay, so you just heard from TikTok creator Daniel Bennett, 0:01:44.929 --> 0:01:48.050 who's obviously the personality higher and he has a very 0:01:48.090 --> 0:01:50.930 interesting argument about the role this type of person plays 0:01:50.930 --> 0:01:53.290 at work, and that's part of what we're going to 0:01:53.330 --> 0:01:57.090 get into today. But first, what is a personality higher 0:01:57.090 --> 0:01:59.050 and is it actually a good or a bad thing? 0:01:59.170 --> 0:02:01.970 So right now I could genuinely go both ways on 0:02:01.970 --> 0:02:04.490 this and I'm a little bit confused. So Michelle, can 0:02:04.530 --> 0:02:06.570 you break this down trus What is it? 0:02:06.930 --> 0:02:07.169 Yeah? 0:02:07.290 --> 0:02:11.370 So, a personality high is someone who's typically hired for 0:02:11.450 --> 0:02:19.330 their vibe, charisma, enthusiasm, social skills, or their humor over 0:02:20.130 --> 0:02:24.930 qualifications and technical abilities. So those skills that they do 0:02:25.010 --> 0:02:27.330 have can still be amazing in the workplace. They can 0:02:27.370 --> 0:02:30.370 make the workplace very positive and just a fun and 0:02:30.410 --> 0:02:33.490 happy place to be. I do want to emphasize that 0:02:34.210 --> 0:02:37.690 just because they're hired for those softer skills, let's say 0:02:38.090 --> 0:02:41.930 that doesn't mean that they're not competent. And I think 0:02:42.010 --> 0:02:46.490 that sometimes the discourse on social media around personality highs 0:02:46.530 --> 0:02:50.210 has meant that they don't really have real jobs, and 0:02:50.290 --> 0:02:55.170 it's questioned what they actually do. But personality HighRes can 0:02:55.210 --> 0:02:58.370 often be the people that go into leadership roles because 0:02:58.410 --> 0:03:03.250 they are really good at communicating and they have great adaptability. 0:03:03.290 --> 0:03:05.570 Interesting. I think there's so much in this because I 0:03:05.610 --> 0:03:09.530 originally stuck when I saw that video. I remember thinking, oh, like, 0:03:09.650 --> 0:03:11.570 I sort of want to be the personality higher. I 0:03:11.610 --> 0:03:15.250 remember people at work who were so funny in meetings 0:03:15.290 --> 0:03:17.810 and charismatic, and it's like they always had the ear 0:03:17.930 --> 0:03:21.610 of the senior leaders. They just had this like gravitas almost, 0:03:21.650 --> 0:03:23.930 and I was like, I want to be the personality higher. 0:03:24.210 --> 0:03:26.010 And then I started reading some of the comments, and 0:03:26.050 --> 0:03:27.770 a lot of people were saying like, no, this is 0:03:27.810 --> 0:03:31.290 the person in your university working group who is really 0:03:31.330 --> 0:03:33.130 fun to hang out with but then never actually does 0:03:33.170 --> 0:03:35.770 their part of the project. And I was like, oh, okay, 0:03:35.810 --> 0:03:38.610 so it's actually bad, Like these people aren't actually doing 0:03:38.650 --> 0:03:41.370 the work. But I think it's just an interesting point 0:03:41.370 --> 0:03:44.170 that you raise around. It's not that they're not competent, 0:03:44.810 --> 0:03:47.490 it's just that maybe they're some of those skills in 0:03:47.570 --> 0:03:50.530 terms of like how they communicate their presence at work. 0:03:50.650 --> 0:03:53.370 Maybe that's kind of like elevating them to these more 0:03:53.410 --> 0:03:55.530 senior levels. I think there's a lot in it, though. 0:03:55.450 --> 0:03:59.370 And I think you make really good points because sometimes 0:03:59.370 --> 0:04:03.250 a personality higher might have been hired and there is 0:04:03.330 --> 0:04:06.690 a bit of a skills gap, but a hiring manager 0:04:06.890 --> 0:04:10.570 believes that they can train that person up. There's growth, 0:04:10.610 --> 0:04:14.130 there's potential there, and so I think for some personality hires, 0:04:14.370 --> 0:04:16.890 there will be a bit of a steep learning curve 0:04:16.969 --> 0:04:19.290 once they enter the workplace and they'll have to work 0:04:19.330 --> 0:04:22.330 on that. And in today's world in particular, you're not 0:04:22.370 --> 0:04:25.130 going to survive in the workplace if you're not delivering. 0:04:25.290 --> 0:04:29.410 So I think someone who is a personality higher who 0:04:29.410 --> 0:04:33.410 then isn't actually contributing to the organization in their role 0:04:33.570 --> 0:04:36.770 and reaching their KPIs they're not going to survive. But 0:04:36.850 --> 0:04:39.290 the same can be said for people at the complete 0:04:39.770 --> 0:04:41.969 other end of the spectrum as well, Like if you've 0:04:41.970 --> 0:04:45.089 got personality hires over on the left, and you've got 0:04:45.650 --> 0:04:50.330 an ace, all star, technically brilliant person over on the right. 0:04:50.970 --> 0:04:54.370 But maybe they've got a bit of a bad attitude sometimes, 0:04:54.930 --> 0:04:58.490 maybe they have a bit of a negative demeanor. They 0:04:58.530 --> 0:05:01.610 still reach their KPIs, but they're not actually that pleasant 0:05:01.690 --> 0:05:05.010 to be around. I think that kind of employee could 0:05:05.050 --> 0:05:10.130 also see their growth and career advancements be stifled because. 0:05:09.930 --> 0:05:12.410 It's not just you as an individual delivering your individual 0:05:12.410 --> 0:05:14.890 piece of work. It's actually like an organization is a 0:05:14.890 --> 0:05:16.970 big collection of people, and it's actually part of your 0:05:17.090 --> 0:05:20.409 job to help the whole collection of people also be 0:05:20.410 --> 0:05:23.330 good at their job. It's not just about your little piece. Okay, 0:05:23.410 --> 0:05:25.890 So you also went out on your DMS Michelle, What 0:05:25.970 --> 0:05:27.530 did you get back from the poll that you put up? 0:05:27.690 --> 0:05:30.170 Yeah, so one of my socials because I was just curious, 0:05:30.250 --> 0:05:35.210 like how many people actually consider themselves to be personality highers? 0:05:35.210 --> 0:05:37.810 I mean that could be a completely different conversation, like 0:05:38.090 --> 0:05:39.890 are their people out there that were hired because of 0:05:39.930 --> 0:05:43.610 their personality as opposed to technical skills? Do they even know? Anyway? 0:05:43.610 --> 0:05:45.290 So I went out on my story and I asked, 0:05:45.330 --> 0:05:49.050 do you consider yourself a personality higher twenty eight percent 0:05:49.170 --> 0:05:55.330 said outright yes, forty percent said partially, and thirty two 0:05:55.490 --> 0:06:00.849 percent said no, So the majority of people believe that 0:06:00.930 --> 0:06:04.010 their personality played some part. And then I did ask 0:06:04.050 --> 0:06:07.170 them a question which was, if you answered yes or partially, 0:06:07.370 --> 0:06:09.650 how does your personality show up at work? Which I 0:06:09.650 --> 0:06:12.690 think we'll get into a bit later. And then I asked, 0:06:12.810 --> 0:06:15.530 if you answered no, do you want to bring more 0:06:15.530 --> 0:06:18.330 of your personality to the workplace? And forty six percent 0:06:18.370 --> 0:06:21.090 of people said that they do want to bring their 0:06:21.090 --> 0:06:24.490 personality the work to the workplace. Others said I like 0:06:24.530 --> 0:06:29.130 to keep my personality a secret, and others said I 0:06:29.170 --> 0:06:31.730 don't feel safe to bring my personality to work, which 0:06:31.770 --> 0:06:34.330 I think is also something worthy of consideration. 0:06:34.890 --> 0:06:37.850 Oh man, this is so interesting. Okay, so half people 0:06:37.850 --> 0:06:40.210 actually want to have more personality at work. The piece 0:06:40.250 --> 0:06:43.570 around feeling safe is really important too, So we'll get 0:06:43.610 --> 0:06:45.130 into some of these. It does remind me of a 0:06:45.130 --> 0:06:46.690 post it note that I had on my desk at 0:06:46.690 --> 0:06:49.010 work and it just said don't be boring, and that 0:06:49.090 --> 0:06:51.450 was sort of my reminder to myself, like, bring your 0:06:51.490 --> 0:06:54.970 personality to work. Okay, so this episode is more than 0:06:55.050 --> 0:06:58.650 just another career trend. It is about personality and vibes 0:06:58.650 --> 0:07:01.850 and specifically how to make vibes at work so you're 0:07:02.010 --> 0:07:05.250 happier and your job is easier. There is some science 0:07:05.250 --> 0:07:08.050 behind why vibe is important, so you know. Also, the 0:07:08.090 --> 0:07:10.610 workplace is really changing. Whether you're a gen Z just 0:07:10.650 --> 0:07:13.650 starting out, or you're a millennial manager managing a team, 0:07:13.810 --> 0:07:25.850 or you're running a business, this episode's for you. Okay, Michelle, 0:07:26.010 --> 0:07:29.170 I'm actually very interested to note. Do you consider yourself 0:07:29.250 --> 0:07:30.770 to be a personality higher? 0:07:31.210 --> 0:07:34.330 Yes, I think I'm a personality higher. Can you be 0:07:34.410 --> 0:07:37.090 a personality higher in your own company that you found? 0:07:38.810 --> 0:07:40.410 Why do you think you're a personality higher? 0:07:40.570 --> 0:07:43.490 Like I've been given feedback along the way in my 0:07:43.610 --> 0:07:46.690 career that's led me to think I'm I can deliver 0:07:47.450 --> 0:07:51.090 technically in my area. But I also have been told 0:07:51.530 --> 0:07:55.250 that I bring like a positive attitude. I'm enthusiastic. I 0:07:55.370 --> 0:07:59.210 try to like lighten the mood in stressful situations and 0:07:59.570 --> 0:08:02.770 like remind everyone that this isn't life saving work that 0:08:02.770 --> 0:08:03.450 we're doing here. 0:08:03.730 --> 0:08:05.730 Interesting, So yeah, I think where it was. So and 0:08:05.730 --> 0:08:08.290 then part of this episode is redefining what a personality 0:08:08.370 --> 0:08:10.450 higher actually is and it doesn't mean that you're not 0:08:10.490 --> 0:08:12.770 delivering and doing your job, all right. So I mean 0:08:12.850 --> 0:08:15.450 before starting this episode, I was a bit conflicted because 0:08:15.450 --> 0:08:17.250 I sort of wanted to be a personality higher, but 0:08:17.290 --> 0:08:19.650 I was also sort of judging them as being a 0:08:19.650 --> 0:08:21.730 bit of a joke. So you might be sitting there 0:08:21.730 --> 0:08:24.890 thinking the same thing, but there is something deeper. So, Michelle, 0:08:25.010 --> 0:08:29.850 why is building rapport and vibes at work actually important? 0:08:30.330 --> 0:08:33.330 I'm still just stuck on what you said, because I 0:08:33.449 --> 0:08:36.170 feel like you'd be part personality higher as well. 0:08:36.210 --> 0:08:38.930 Do you feel like you would be? I feel like 0:08:39.050 --> 0:08:41.570 I wasn't funny enough to be a personality higher, so 0:08:41.650 --> 0:08:43.490 I was like, I'm not funny, and I had a 0:08:43.530 --> 0:08:45.650 lot of self doubt around that. I wanted to be 0:08:45.770 --> 0:08:48.090 the person in the room who was like bringing it, 0:08:48.170 --> 0:08:49.770 you know. So I never felt like I was a 0:08:49.770 --> 0:08:52.690 personality higher. But then I started thinking, well, I wasn't 0:08:52.730 --> 0:08:56.410 actually that good at marketing, so was I a personality high? 0:08:56.690 --> 0:08:59.410 And then I went down a shame spiral of imposter syndrome. 0:08:59.490 --> 0:09:01.650 So I'm not going to talk about that anymore. 0:09:01.930 --> 0:09:05.610 You give fun vibes, though, like you bring fun energy 0:09:05.770 --> 0:09:09.010 to working hard, which I also think is what you know, 0:09:09.090 --> 0:09:11.690 bringing your personality to work can also look like so 0:09:11.690 --> 0:09:14.450 maybe that's also another way to think about it. Okay, 0:09:14.490 --> 0:09:17.170 So why this is important. I think there are many 0:09:17.210 --> 0:09:20.570 advantages to being a bit of a personality higher, the 0:09:20.610 --> 0:09:24.170 first one being it's a very competitive hiring market out 0:09:24.210 --> 0:09:28.250 there at the moment in particular, so being likable and 0:09:28.330 --> 0:09:31.690 showing how you aligned to a company's mission can really 0:09:31.730 --> 0:09:34.570 put you ahead of other candidates. So I think it 0:09:34.610 --> 0:09:37.650 can help get you in the door. It also can 0:09:37.690 --> 0:09:41.450 help if you vibe with a hiring manager, you know, 0:09:41.490 --> 0:09:43.730 when you leave an important meeting and you know, I 0:09:43.730 --> 0:09:46.730 think that went well because we just clicked, We just gelled, 0:09:46.770 --> 0:09:49.010 like maybe there was some banter, there was some back 0:09:49.010 --> 0:09:52.290 and forth, maybe you connected on a personal level. I 0:09:52.290 --> 0:09:56.090 think that's also a big part to how this can 0:09:56.130 --> 0:09:58.410 be a bit of a superpower and why it's important 0:09:58.450 --> 0:10:02.610 for people to develop. And a TikTok put this very 0:10:02.650 --> 0:10:06.810 well where they were talking about beers Riz and for 0:10:06.850 --> 0:10:10.130 anyone listening, if you don't know what rizzz. I didn't 0:10:10.210 --> 0:10:14.170 know what RIZ was until about a year ago, which 0:10:14.170 --> 0:10:16.410 I'm ashamed to say because I think I was still 0:10:16.450 --> 0:10:19.930 too late. But charisma is RIZ to gen Z's I 0:10:19.930 --> 0:10:22.569 can't even define it in the right way, which shows 0:10:22.610 --> 0:10:25.250 that I'm truly a millennial. But there was a TikTok 0:10:25.370 --> 0:10:26.890 talking all about biz riz. 0:10:27.410 --> 0:10:29.209 The number one thing I think I got from two 0:10:29.290 --> 0:10:31.610 years at Mackenzie that helped me land a director level 0:10:31.690 --> 0:10:35.010 role at twenty three is literally this notion of developing bizriz. 0:10:35.290 --> 0:10:38.010 Bizriz is essentially a skill to make senior people, whether 0:10:38.050 --> 0:10:40.690 it's your clients or your leaders, to like you, to 0:10:40.810 --> 0:10:43.210 like working with you, to build a relationship, and to 0:10:43.210 --> 0:10:45.690 trust you with the work. Once you get someone to 0:10:45.850 --> 0:10:48.890 like you, you essentially become an EPO baby. You get 0:10:48.930 --> 0:10:54.050 advantaged opportunities and access to new projects, new jobs so much. 0:10:54.850 --> 0:10:59.210 And it really broke down how it helps you build 0:10:59.290 --> 0:11:03.130 rapport and build relationships with senior managers. And this is 0:11:03.130 --> 0:11:05.770 what I love about gen Z and their approach to 0:11:05.810 --> 0:11:08.330 the workforce. It just feels a little bit more casual 0:11:08.850 --> 0:11:13.370 and they're not really scared of hierarchy or traditional power 0:11:13.490 --> 0:11:16.930 roles in the way I think some of the older 0:11:17.050 --> 0:11:21.929 generations were. And this TikTok goes on to remind people 0:11:22.010 --> 0:11:25.090 that your CEO or the head of your department is 0:11:25.090 --> 0:11:29.290 someone's dad, someone's uncle, brother, sister, mother, auntie, and they're 0:11:29.330 --> 0:11:32.250 going home and probably being paid out by the people 0:11:32.290 --> 0:11:35.290 around the table with them. And they live lives and 0:11:35.330 --> 0:11:39.010 have hobbies and have challenges. So being able to unearth 0:11:39.050 --> 0:11:41.210 some of that and remind yourself of that is a 0:11:41.250 --> 0:11:43.770 great way to also develop this in the workplace. 0:11:44.570 --> 0:11:49.370 These really senior leaders were literally somebody's dad or uncle, 0:11:49.810 --> 0:11:52.770 and no matter how intimidating they seemed to sitting across 0:11:52.810 --> 0:11:55.250 from you in the boardroom, later that night, they would 0:11:55.250 --> 0:11:57.530 probably sit across the dinner table from their gen z 0:11:57.730 --> 0:12:00.210 kid who would literally be cringing at them for I 0:12:00.210 --> 0:12:02.810 don't know, doing something kind of silly. And then you realize, 0:12:02.850 --> 0:12:05.170 I don't know like Mike the CFO at this huge bank, 0:12:05.810 --> 0:12:08.930 just your middle school friend Sam's dad who would bring 0:12:08.970 --> 0:12:11.970 watermelon to the soccer practice. And that mindset shift made 0:12:11.970 --> 0:12:13.850 it so much easier for me to be confident and 0:12:13.850 --> 0:12:15.130 to be able to talk to them as if they 0:12:15.130 --> 0:12:18.490 were also people, which obviously they are. No matter how 0:12:18.610 --> 0:12:20.850 senior the man, at the end of the day, they 0:12:20.850 --> 0:12:22.809 are still just someone's chuggy uncle. 0:12:23.130 --> 0:12:26.050 You'll be fine. There's a healthy side to that in 0:12:26.490 --> 0:12:28.690 not putting these senior leaders on this huge pedestal and 0:12:28.770 --> 0:12:31.370 just realizing like, hey, everyone's kind of human. So what 0:12:31.410 --> 0:12:33.809 about the fact Michelle though, when it comes to stuff 0:12:33.850 --> 0:12:36.449 like building rapport and connecting with people at work, that 0:12:36.570 --> 0:12:39.610 it is easier for some people than it is for others. 0:12:39.650 --> 0:12:41.370 Like I know some people and a lot of young 0:12:41.410 --> 0:12:44.090 people that I talk to, they really struggle with this. 0:12:44.250 --> 0:12:47.290 So is vibe something you're just born with or is 0:12:47.290 --> 0:12:48.450 it something that you can learn? 0:12:48.730 --> 0:12:52.330 Yeah? I love this question because I feel like both 0:12:52.330 --> 0:12:55.770 of us have done some unlearning as we've researched this topic. 0:12:56.050 --> 0:12:59.170 And my unlearning was I did think it was the 0:12:59.250 --> 0:13:01.410 kind of thing you were just born with, like a 0:13:01.450 --> 0:13:03.890 bit of an X factor, those people that just have 0:13:03.970 --> 0:13:08.450 those contagious personalities where they're always on, always happy, always 0:13:08.490 --> 0:13:12.850 bubbly and positive. But there's an amazing TikTok from Hannah 0:13:12.850 --> 0:13:16.050 gets Hired that taught me a lot, and she shared 0:13:16.050 --> 0:13:19.050 a stack. It was from a Princeton study and it 0:13:19.130 --> 0:13:22.730 showed that eighty two percent of how people perceive you 0:13:23.290 --> 0:13:25.330 comes down to one trait. 0:13:25.970 --> 0:13:27.929 You know, those people that are just so contagious to 0:13:27.970 --> 0:13:30.130 be around. It feels like everybody likes them, they can 0:13:30.170 --> 0:13:33.610 do no wrong. You can actually like hack your way 0:13:33.650 --> 0:13:36.850 into being that person with just minor changes to the 0:13:36.850 --> 0:13:37.329 way that you. 0:13:37.290 --> 0:13:38.130 Talk to other people. 0:13:38.330 --> 0:13:41.850 So this characteristic that Princeton Research founds accounts for eighty 0:13:41.890 --> 0:13:45.569 two percent of how other people perceive you is called charisma. 0:13:45.610 --> 0:13:49.730 And what sets charisma apart from other personality traits is 0:13:49.770 --> 0:13:52.130 that you're not born with it. It's actually something that 0:13:52.170 --> 0:13:55.250 you can practice and grow and develop over time. 0:13:55.930 --> 0:13:58.250 And she goes on to explain that you can kind 0:13:58.290 --> 0:14:00.929 of hack your way to being a bit more charismatic 0:14:01.050 --> 0:14:04.650 because charisma is made up of two things, those things 0:14:04.690 --> 0:14:10.370 being warmth and competence, and apparently most people over index 0:14:10.490 --> 0:14:13.090 on one or the other. So maybe you're really warm 0:14:13.610 --> 0:14:17.690 and bubbly but you don't command that respect, or perhaps 0:14:17.730 --> 0:14:21.650 you're really competent, but you're super blunt, straight shooting and 0:14:21.690 --> 0:14:23.330 you just come off like a bit of an asshole. 0:14:23.730 --> 0:14:26.410 And what I also loved about this was the tips 0:14:26.450 --> 0:14:31.050 she gives to then dial up warmth or competence are 0:14:31.090 --> 0:14:34.250 really really simple, Like, these aren't groundbreaking things, and you 0:14:34.250 --> 0:14:37.850 can literally just start doing this today. So if you 0:14:37.930 --> 0:14:39.650 feel like you're the sort of person that needs to 0:14:39.690 --> 0:14:42.690 dial up on the warmth, it's as simple as nodding 0:14:42.690 --> 0:14:47.450 along when someone's talking, offering a smile, leaning in, or 0:14:47.450 --> 0:14:49.130 if you're this sort of person who feels like you 0:14:49.170 --> 0:14:52.450 need to dial up competence, just speaking with a little 0:14:52.490 --> 0:14:56.450 bit more confidence, maybe slowing it down or speeding it up, 0:14:56.490 --> 0:14:58.650 whatever you think is more, you know, the thing that 0:14:58.730 --> 0:15:02.610 you're needing to work on, and speaking with down tones 0:15:02.770 --> 0:15:05.970 as opposed to upward inflections. I think it well, I 0:15:06.010 --> 0:15:08.210 think I do the upward speaking. I putink I've done 0:15:08.250 --> 0:15:11.050 it just then. But yeah, I found it fascinating. 0:15:11.330 --> 0:15:13.570 Yeah, I think it's really interesting that you do think 0:15:13.570 --> 0:15:15.170 it's something that you boorn me or you think it's 0:15:15.210 --> 0:15:17.450 really hard, but maybe there's some small changes that we 0:15:17.490 --> 0:15:19.730 can start to adopt. What else did you get from 0:15:19.770 --> 0:15:21.130 your DM's Michelle? 0:15:21.170 --> 0:15:23.690 Okay, so one of the other questions that I asked 0:15:23.770 --> 0:15:26.410 in my DMS was how does your personality show up 0:15:26.410 --> 0:15:28.970 in the workplace? So I think some of these examples 0:15:28.970 --> 0:15:32.930 could be really good for just getting across how simple 0:15:32.970 --> 0:15:35.730 it may be. I'd say I have the skills, but 0:15:35.970 --> 0:15:39.610 vibe is executing regardless of it being in my skill set. 0:15:39.810 --> 0:15:45.090 With enthusiasm, I improve the workplace culture leading through tough 0:15:45.170 --> 0:15:50.210 client combos and supporting my team. Positivity, enthusiasm, and a 0:15:50.290 --> 0:15:54.930 hunger to learn. I always share a smile. I boost 0:15:54.930 --> 0:15:58.090 the spirits of others by encouraging them, and I organize 0:15:58.090 --> 0:16:00.970 social events. Oh, this one's good. I'm really good at 0:16:01.010 --> 0:16:04.210 reading the room, and I understand what makes people tick, 0:16:04.330 --> 0:16:08.890 and I craft com accordingly. I always stay positive and 0:16:08.970 --> 0:16:11.410 up for the challenge. I'm happy to try things even 0:16:11.450 --> 0:16:14.530 if I'm not one hundred percent sure. I've been told 0:16:14.570 --> 0:16:17.890 my X factor is brightness and freshness in a very 0:16:17.970 --> 0:16:19.610 corporate and traditional environment. 0:16:20.050 --> 0:16:22.730 Yeah, I think there's some really interesting stuff in that, Michelle, 0:16:22.730 --> 0:16:25.610 because it's like, yes, you can have some of these 0:16:25.650 --> 0:16:27.970 behaviors that make you come across as warm when you're 0:16:28.010 --> 0:16:30.530 talking to people, but it's actually way more than that, right, 0:16:30.650 --> 0:16:32.690 So a lot of the stuff I'm hearing coming through 0:16:32.850 --> 0:16:35.450 is things like, you know, the ability to stay positive 0:16:35.490 --> 0:16:38.290 when stuff gets hard, or this like freshness that you're 0:16:38.370 --> 0:16:41.170 bringing to work, thoughtfulness around how you're making other people 0:16:41.210 --> 0:16:43.570 feel the impact you're having on other people. So we 0:16:43.690 --> 0:16:46.290 wanted to actually speak to a real life personality higher 0:16:46.370 --> 0:16:48.930 So we've spoken to someone who works on an actual 0:16:49.050 --> 0:16:52.170 Vibes team, and yes, that is real because it says 0:16:52.210 --> 0:16:54.410 so on LinkedIn that's coming up after this. 0:17:02.090 --> 0:17:05.450 So did you know there are companies with whole department 0:17:05.570 --> 0:17:08.889 and dedicated to vibe. When I was at Bumble, we 0:17:09.169 --> 0:17:12.290 had a role that was called Curator of Vibes. The 0:17:12.330 --> 0:17:15.889 people that held that role genuinely were the vibs people. 0:17:16.010 --> 0:17:20.170 They kept things fresh, positive, bright. But I think it's 0:17:20.210 --> 0:17:23.689 important to recognize that you don't need to have dedicated 0:17:23.810 --> 0:17:30.890 roles or departments to have positive attitudes, personality, fun, camaraderie 0:17:31.490 --> 0:17:34.689 existing in an organization. So so you got up with 0:17:34.730 --> 0:17:40.770 Sana from Camber, who's in the Vibe team aka Workplace Experiences. 0:17:41.330 --> 0:17:44.170 Firstly, I think every company should have a vibe team, 0:17:44.170 --> 0:17:48.650 but until then, I think everybody can be their own 0:17:48.770 --> 0:17:51.850 vibe team. Really, it can be pretty overwhelming the thought 0:17:51.890 --> 0:17:55.090 of that, but I think it's important to just start small. 0:17:55.650 --> 0:18:00.570 I think the most iconic vibe people I've known in 0:18:00.570 --> 0:18:03.970 my life, and the most iconic personality highs if you will, 0:18:04.450 --> 0:18:08.409 are the people who who are genuine and come to 0:18:08.530 --> 0:18:12.290 work and want to make genuine connections with people. So 0:18:12.530 --> 0:18:15.850 I'd recommend start small. You know, creating a vibe doesn't 0:18:15.850 --> 0:18:20.050 mean like planning huge events. It's about making people feel 0:18:20.290 --> 0:18:25.770 like connected and getting to know people, really ask real questions, 0:18:25.970 --> 0:18:30.010 celebrate people's wins, and just bring your personality to work. 0:18:30.050 --> 0:18:34.690 I think that's super key, like authenticity. Really just make 0:18:34.770 --> 0:18:37.370 work feel like human, you know, and the vibe will 0:18:37.450 --> 0:18:41.530 just naturally follow. Work is hard, work can be a 0:18:41.570 --> 0:18:47.090 little boring and monotonous, and I think bringing joy to 0:18:47.410 --> 0:18:52.050 your co workers live in just a little freaky weird 0:18:52.170 --> 0:18:57.210 way is the cherry on top of the day. I 0:18:57.370 --> 0:19:00.770 find even when I'm being vibed, I feel like it 0:19:00.850 --> 0:19:03.530 puts a little pep in my steps and it makes 0:19:03.650 --> 0:19:07.170 me want to do a better job, Like I feel 0:19:07.170 --> 0:19:11.570 more enthusiastic essentially. So I think it's so important that 0:19:11.770 --> 0:19:16.050 everybody is their own workplaces. Vibe team just makes life 0:19:16.050 --> 0:19:19.169 more fun and interesting and weird. 0:19:20.090 --> 0:19:22.690 It's quite a privileged position that a company is in 0:19:22.770 --> 0:19:25.810 to be able to hire an entire ViBe's team. But 0:19:26.450 --> 0:19:28.650 the things that I spoke about with her are relevant 0:19:28.730 --> 0:19:32.369 for anyone, whether you're an individual small business, So you know, 0:19:32.450 --> 0:19:34.770 you can take these principles. First of all, I just 0:19:34.810 --> 0:19:37.369 want to say she is such a vibe. So after 0:19:37.410 --> 0:19:40.890 the conversation, I was like this pumping the air and 0:19:40.930 --> 0:19:44.330 she is just like giving energy, she's giving vibe. There's 0:19:44.370 --> 0:19:47.090 two really important things that came out of the conversation, 0:19:47.330 --> 0:19:51.170 and the first is around this idea of the personality 0:19:51.250 --> 0:19:54.690 higher is part of this anti fake movement that we're seeing, 0:19:54.730 --> 0:19:57.890 and this is really a longing that we all have 0:19:58.530 --> 0:20:01.530 to just be a bit more real at work, which 0:20:01.609 --> 0:20:04.690 is a bit over the fakeness, the like corporate speak 0:20:04.850 --> 0:20:07.810 and the bullshit of it all. And you know, I 0:20:07.810 --> 0:20:10.890 even think to some of the accounts that I love following. 0:20:10.970 --> 0:20:13.250 One of them is the Aussie Corporate and the other 0:20:13.370 --> 0:20:16.490 is Corporate Sween. And if you don't know these accounts 0:20:16.850 --> 0:20:19.010 on TikTok and Instagram, we're going to put them in 0:20:19.050 --> 0:20:21.810 the show notes. They are very funny and it's just 0:20:21.850 --> 0:20:25.090 this like parody satire, taking the piece out of how 0:20:25.130 --> 0:20:27.210 we all act at work, and they are brilliant. But 0:20:27.290 --> 0:20:29.290 I think you know, the reason we love these meme 0:20:29.290 --> 0:20:32.250 accounts is we just have this craving to be a 0:20:32.290 --> 0:20:34.409 bit more human and a bit more real. And I 0:20:34.450 --> 0:20:38.050 think people think the personality Higher is about being the loudest, 0:20:38.170 --> 0:20:41.649 it's the most extroverted, it's the funniest, but it's actually not. 0:20:41.970 --> 0:20:45.770 It's just about being the uest you, and it's about 0:20:45.810 --> 0:20:48.250 not being scared to be your real self and to 0:20:48.370 --> 0:20:50.930 just be a bit more genuine at work. That really 0:20:50.930 --> 0:20:53.330 shifted my kind of perception. And then the other thing 0:20:53.370 --> 0:20:56.570 that really came through, So yes, bring yourself to work 0:20:56.810 --> 0:20:59.850 and be real. But then also it's not just about 0:20:59.890 --> 0:21:03.129 being the USU. It's about how you as an individual 0:21:03.770 --> 0:21:07.250 is bringing out the best in the collective. Right. So 0:21:07.530 --> 0:21:09.690 they have this thing in onboarding at Canvas. Part of 0:21:09.690 --> 0:21:11.689 their onboarding is how to vibe, and they have a 0:21:11.730 --> 0:21:14.730 line that says, when not the vibe, you're the vibe. 0:21:15.130 --> 0:21:17.850 Everyone has this in them and we all contribute to 0:21:17.890 --> 0:21:20.369 the vibe. It's about like, what are you doing to 0:21:20.450 --> 0:21:23.169 celebrate the uniqueness and awesomeness in everyone else that you 0:21:23.210 --> 0:21:25.330 work with. If you take the flip side of that, 0:21:25.370 --> 0:21:27.930 it's like, what might you be doing that's actually dragging 0:21:27.970 --> 0:21:30.530 other people down in the way that you're kind of 0:21:30.570 --> 0:21:33.770 showing up and acting at work. And there's this expression 0:21:34.290 --> 0:21:36.649 there's two types of people at work. There's drains and 0:21:36.690 --> 0:21:39.969