Speaker 1: So you sit down. I had the ugly conversation with
Speaker 1: my husband. I'm like, this has been great. We've really
Speaker 1: enjoyed each other. We've really had the very best life
Speaker 1: you could possibly wish for. I dearly want to get
Speaker 1: pregnant and I really don't give a shit what you
Speaker 1: think about that.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kate lane Brook. There are some guests where
Speaker 1: the conversation begins before the microphones are even turned on,
Speaker 1: and Kate Sobrano is absolutely one of them. This is
Speaker 1: a slightly unusual episode of No Filter, a very personal
Speaker 1: one because Kate Sobrano and I already know each other,
Speaker 1: and I think you can feel that intimacy almost immediately
Speaker 1: in this chat. What unfolds is less a formal interview
Speaker 1: and more two women sitting down together to talk honestly
Speaker 1: about creativity, ambition, aging, marriage, motherhood, music, and what it
Speaker 1: actually costs to build.
Speaker 3: A life as an artist.
Speaker 1: We talk about the opportunities Kate turned down, the Korea
Speaker 1: highs and heartbreaks, the pressure of constantly reinventing yourself, and why,
Speaker 1: at nearly sixty, she feels more certain of who she
Speaker 1: is than ever before. There are stories about Melbourne in
Speaker 1: the eighties punk music, motherhood, Karl Minogue, Tom Cruise, Coconut Cake,
Speaker 1: and the strange intensity of surviving four decades in the
Speaker 1: spotlight while still remaining entirely yourself. It's also funny, theatrical, emotional,
Speaker 1: and completely unpredictable because this is Kate Sobrano. I am
Speaker 1: looking forward to this so enormously, not just because I
Speaker 1: think you're a true ornament to this country, but also
Speaker 1: I have a lot of love for you that comes
Speaker 1: through a personal relationship that will touch on later. Some
Speaker 1: of the listeners will already know, and some maybe, oh.
Speaker 3: What could it be, Kate Sebrano, Leave them hanging on
Speaker 3: a thread, darling, and leave them hanging Welcome to No Filter.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm very, very happy to be here. This kind
Speaker 1: of feels grown up and beautiful to be sitting actually
Speaker 1: talking to someone who I know and love, as opposed
Speaker 1: to someone who is interrogating me. Right, Okay, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: I've been for forty years at the other end of
Speaker 1: misfired questions. And I say misfired because they're like they
Speaker 1: usually do them around me to get one single answer, right.
Speaker 3: It's like a right, a volley of what are they
Speaker 3: looking for? An answer.
Speaker 1: I think what people are trying to discover usually when
Speaker 1: they ask an artist any questions is why why are
Speaker 1: they the way they are? Yes, I don't reckon that's
Speaker 1: a It's almost like it's kryptonite to the artist, because
Speaker 1: I think if you try to too carefully unpack that,
Speaker 1: you leave your flanks a bit open, and a part
Speaker 1: of you feels well. I do anyway, a part of
Speaker 1: me feels undressed and right, sort of a strange freak
Speaker 1: because I can't really explain what happened or when it
Speaker 1: happened exactly. They always want a very specific time in
Speaker 1: a place.
Speaker 3: I heard Ricky Lee.
Speaker 1: Say to you, you don't want to show how the
Speaker 1: sausage is made?
Speaker 3: Clever? Yes, isn't she yes?
Speaker 1: Funk like seriously, she's a very wise and a natural artist. Yes,
Speaker 1: And on stage she has a lot of what you
Speaker 1: have on stage, which is this incredible giving of herself.
Speaker 1: You have this the first time I saw you on stage, which,
Speaker 1: strangely though I've seen a lot of gigs and I've
Speaker 1: said this to you before, I hadn't seen I think
Speaker 1: i'd seen you as part of line ups or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I've never seen you as a solo artist. And
Speaker 1: when I saw you, it was with your tour that
Speaker 1: you did with the symphony with the orchestra, and I
Speaker 1: was so astounded at my own cultural ignorance at not
Speaker 1: having seen you earlier, but that stuff just happens, but
Speaker 1: also at the power and range and freedom on stage
Speaker 1: of you that I remember sitting there thinking she could
Speaker 1: perform at the Milan Opera House. I remember thinking that
Speaker 1: you weren't singing opera, but you could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, opera is a state of mind, isn't it
Speaker 3: after all? Well I don't think so you don't think
Speaker 3: can we explain myself? Because I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it when when you offer me that, And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I said exactly. That is because
Speaker 1: Rosalia is an artist who's pop act. She's just like
Speaker 1: Taken over the Road. Yes, she's an opera singer, she's
Speaker 1: like a she's like the reincarnation of Maria Carlis, but
Speaker 1: she's in a contemporary skin. Yes, And so the kind
Speaker 1: of like if you put that into that sausage machine,
Speaker 1: as we're just talking about and getting back to Ricky
Speaker 1: Lee in a minute, but what you end up getting
Speaker 1: is this hybrid version of modern opera, Right, That's what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like sometimes when I get up there, I
Speaker 1: feel a little bit like, you know, especially when I'm
Speaker 1: like letting it rip, like I've got the blonde, the blonde.
Speaker 3: Braids and the right.
Speaker 2: Valk.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. Opera's a state of mind.
Speaker 1: I don't really know opera very well, so I can't
Speaker 1: claim to know anything about it. But when I hear
Speaker 1: opera singers and when I feel I feel like they're
Speaker 1: kind of an engine that has more fuel than most
Speaker 1: average normal people. Yes, Rosali has more fuel. Yes, I
Speaker 1: have seen an inexhaustible supply of fuel. When I'm on stage,
Speaker 1: like the stage itself, the power creates extraordinary it. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like sometimes I've got to borrow from the future
Speaker 1: to just keep it together and not just like blow
Speaker 1: up like Shrek.
Speaker 3: You know the bird that just goes yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: feathers everywhere. You know.
Speaker 1: Your mum said an interesting thing. It was also the
Speaker 1: first time that I meet her. I was after that gig,
Speaker 1: and she said to me, and I was just we
Speaker 1: were just really wowed by you. And your mother said,
Speaker 1: and you know, she's got that that very brusque way
Speaker 1: of speaking.
Speaker 3: She goes.
Speaker 1: It's the only time she's happy is on stage.
Speaker 3: But that is also the artist, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm dissatisfied or I have Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: concert itchy, scratchy in the days in between stage.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's getting worse.
Speaker 1: Wow, really so much so that I've had to calm
Speaker 1: my nervous system and stop myself from picking at these creative.
Speaker 3: Scames, if you will. It's a really disgusting way to describe.
Speaker 1: But you know, like this sort of thing, you know,
Speaker 1: I've got an idea, I've got a thought, I've got
Speaker 1: to I've been.
Speaker 3: Doing things with my hands, as you know, and I
Speaker 3: really craft.
Speaker 1: I get right into it as a meditation of sorts,
Speaker 1: because so you're embroidering, painting guitars and build things. I
Speaker 1: get to the piano. I do scales and pilates and
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. But it's mostly in an effort
Speaker 1: to stop stop scratching it, you know. And why do
Speaker 1: you want to stop scratching it? Is it because it's unbearable.
Speaker 1: I think it creates a lot of trauma. Not trauma,
Speaker 1: that's a really that's an overused word.
Speaker 3: It is an overused word.
Speaker 1: It is an overused especially when I'm about to see
Speaker 1: what it's like.
Speaker 3: You'll be like.
Speaker 1: Good thing you change that. I think it's it's intolerable
Speaker 1: for people to live around ah, yes, because like you're
Speaker 1: constantly generating activity and other people around you sometimes need
Speaker 1: rest from you. Yes, And if you're not aware of it,
Speaker 1: then you lose touch with kind of what's important, Like
Speaker 1: I know, well, giving it back to you as a
Speaker 1: mother to mother and will reveal the way we know
Speaker 1: one another so well as mothers later. But there's a
Speaker 1: dedication you have and to keeping the tribe together. Now,
Speaker 1: this is interesting about you because we are all familiar
Speaker 1: with the template of the artist, who by dint of
Speaker 1: the definition of what an artist is, it requires a huge,
Speaker 1: huge degree of selfishness, which is to focus on the
Speaker 1: self and the calling of the self. But you also
Speaker 1: straddle a more prosaic world, which is as a wife,
Speaker 1: a more like earthy world as a wife and a
Speaker 1: mother and a daughter and a sister and an aunt
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. How is that tension served by
Speaker 1: an artist? And what are the sacrifices that you have made?
Speaker 1: Because it comes at a cost.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think you have to.
Speaker 1: Own up to the bipolarity of trying to do all
Speaker 1: of those things knowing that it's going to take extra
Speaker 1: work for you to come back from an all time
Speaker 1: high fifty thousand plus fo one hundred thousand people on
Speaker 1: an afternoon. The adrenals have turned on in a way
Speaker 1: that you could walk into a fire and be un scared.
Speaker 3: That's the sort of like, yeah, that's the.
Speaker 1: Feeling, the way your senses have been heightened, so to
Speaker 1: come back into a family environment and dominate the space
Speaker 1: when you're in that elevated I recognized early on in
Speaker 1: the piece that it was, as I said, it was
Speaker 1: causing some impact on people in and around. I don't
Speaker 1: love to watch it. I don't like to see the
Speaker 1: fallout of that. Like you're too much lily or too loud,
Speaker 1: you just just bring it down. So but I think, sorry,
Speaker 1: the quick answer to your question is this, just accept
Speaker 1: that you are going to always be strange and strange
Speaker 1: to the most because you've had a glimpse of something
Speaker 1: which most common people and I'm not saying using that
Speaker 1: word like common in terms of.
Speaker 3: The lesser people.
Speaker 1: It is the people who don't get into they don't
Speaker 1: get themselves into that kind of mischief.
Speaker 3: Every day. You're calling for mischief every day, but sometimes
Speaker 3: it's hard for people to come back from that.
Speaker 1: And you know, if I look at your career, which
Speaker 1: you are now being honored by the ARIA Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: which is an extraordinary it's.
Speaker 3: A massive it's a massive honor, well.
Speaker 1: Earned and a long time coming, given that I believe
Speaker 1: you've never actually they never gave you an Aria.
Speaker 3: They never gave you an We're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what though, you actually what you're
Speaker 1: saying is one can say it's quick. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of eligible artists who look, yeah, everyone's eligible. And
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, if they were going to be handing
Speaker 1: them out one a year, there's absolutely no way I
Speaker 1: would have had it in my lifetime. It would have
Speaker 1: definitely a posthumous award. And I think I've kept my
Speaker 1: life fairly. I think I've prioritized the right things when
Speaker 1: I've needed to.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but you don't always know.
Speaker 1: You don't do that, No, you don't. So I only
Speaker 1: know when you put the baby on the nipple, there's
Speaker 1: something that transforms you. Right, Not every woman will have
Speaker 1: that opportunity to feel it, but when it does it
Speaker 1: tends to pull in all the parts of you that
Speaker 1: have been extending well beyond your natural self, right, and
Speaker 1: you actually have to say, okay, no, that one, that
Speaker 1: extension over there is wow, it's amazing. But we're going
Speaker 1: to rope her in a little bit because that's definitely
Speaker 1: going to go into crazy town. What I'm saying is like,
Speaker 1: I don't know necessary. I can't say whether my husband
Speaker 1: and I at thirty six would have remained together at
Speaker 1: sixty had we not had that crossroads. Yes, right, So
Speaker 1: there were things that compelled us to change our habits
Speaker 1: and our expectations of ourselves and life and in our
Speaker 1: careers respectively. We had to actually really put them on
Speaker 1: the table and go, so what are you prepared to
Speaker 1: give upright? And then he said, well, what are you
Speaker 1: prepared to give up? And it was like game one,
Speaker 1: a real conversation. Oh shit, chah, because because I was
Speaker 1: wanting to see if we could have children at thirty six,
Speaker 1: which they called me, you know, a geriatric.
Speaker 3: Yes, I had all my children as a geriatric. When
Speaker 3: she said it was.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like when you go range that that
Speaker 1: and being told you you're.
Speaker 3: Obese, like normally I'm also normally I love it.
Speaker 1: So when you've been given these these treasures of platforms
Speaker 1: to walk into and represent, like those two things which
Speaker 1: really suck, so you sit down. I had the ugly
Speaker 1: conversation with my husband. I'm like, this has been great.
Speaker 1: We've really enjoyed each other. We've really had the very
Speaker 1: best life you could possibly wish for. I dearly want
Speaker 1: to get pregnant and I really don't give a ship.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I just love our life.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how we'd change it and make it better. Well,
Speaker 3: you never are.
Speaker 1: No, No, he was right. He was being very very honest.
Speaker 1: I always on his honesty. And then Paul Bastard, I
Speaker 1: said to him, like, you know, you don't always get pregnant.
Speaker 3: The first time it was boom, and that was that
Speaker 3: was maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would like to say it was propelled first by
Speaker 1: my wish, but then afterwards, and I have this engraved
Speaker 1: in our wedding ring. He then said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: and he meant it to think we nearly didn't do this, Yes,
Speaker 1: to think we nearly.
Speaker 3: Didn't do this.
Speaker 1: It was a profound moment for him and I and
Speaker 1: I had to grant him that and say, well, maybe
Speaker 1: that was my job was to make us do this.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious about this because I think if you,
Speaker 1: you know, as everyone does this by the way, everyone
Speaker 1: compares their career to people who are in their orbit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't matter what feel they're indred percent.
Speaker 1: But in the arts it's a particular sort of thing
Speaker 1: because you can really see who the spotlight is falling
Speaker 1: on and who it's not falling on. And the spotlight
Speaker 1: has fallen on you a lot. You came bouncing out
Speaker 1: of the barriers at fourteen, a wilding, A wilding, Yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely proper, solute, proper, like a banhiem. Yes, I know,
Speaker 1: war cry, singing everywhere anywhere on stage in all the
Speaker 1: Haunts of Melbourne. You went overseas solo at what age
Speaker 1: soloman in a way I'm talking about. Yeah, in my
Speaker 1: twenty just before I turned twenty, we went in and
Speaker 1: over there. But I'd already had several bands before I
Speaker 1: I was relentlessly kind of pursuing a life because I look,
Speaker 1: it all comes back, it doesn't it to an education.
Speaker 1: I just knew that the education I was being delivered
Speaker 1: at growth on high much as I loved them all madly,
Speaker 1: I just was just a freak.
Speaker 3: I was just like a fart in a bottle. I
Speaker 3: just were you speaking? What does that mean? I was
Speaker 3: like I'd sit in.
Speaker 1: I just I was like in and out of the
Speaker 1: interest of the school culture.
Speaker 3: What did you like at school? Anything? Was there any
Speaker 3: of the learning that resonated.
Speaker 1: It's that classic I'm that classic artist type music English, yeah,
Speaker 1: and art okay, and the rest was like, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to get in there to absorb water.
Speaker 3: It was like I can't get in. I can't get in,
Speaker 3: and they go, well, just work harder, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I was completely resistant to just I was like, give
Speaker 1: me a reason, give me some template where I'd use
Speaker 1: any of it, and they were it's not for us
Speaker 1: to give you the template.
Speaker 3: So different. I was different. I was the youngest, I
Speaker 3: was wild.
Speaker 1: I was And you didn't look like other people at
Speaker 1: that time either.
Speaker 3: I mean you still don't.
Speaker 1: No, no, you look like yourself, but you were Hawaiian Filipino.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: And we were called every name under the sun, moon
Speaker 1: and stars, and you know, my brothers had to bear
Speaker 1: a lot of those arrows and they sort of would
Speaker 1: deflect it so that I could just walk through.
Speaker 3: The garden bath with the sunshaping on my face. She's exotic.
Speaker 3: By the time it got to me, it was exotic.
Speaker 3: But before then it was a wog, it was a chink.
Speaker 1: It was you know, like it was everything under the sun,
Speaker 1: moon and stars, and they would just be like kitching, kitching,
Speaker 1: my elder brothers, you know, you know, protect the child,
Speaker 1: protect the kid, as I said.
Speaker 3: By the time I got there, I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gorgeous and I just want to play
Speaker 1: and the stage isn't anyway. So once I actually got
Speaker 1: to the stage, it was your I realized that education.
Speaker 1: I was going to take that opportunity which they used
Speaker 1: to call it. Do you want to be eligible for
Speaker 1: work or you want to continue in education?
Speaker 3: You have a right, which you.
Speaker 1: Don't these days. But that was the kind of like
Speaker 1: the coal miners theory. You want to pay paying rent.
Speaker 3: Which I did. Have you got a job? Are you eligible?
Speaker 3: I had four gigs that in a week every week
Speaker 3: at fourteen. At fourteen a license venues. My brother's used
Speaker 3: to chaperone. They drove me. I'd catch a tram.
Speaker 1: I'd go to work, they'd pick me up, they'd take
Speaker 1: me to the gig. They'd enjoy the gig, and then
Speaker 1: we'd drive home.
Speaker 3: And how are your mom and dad about this?
Speaker 1: Oh? We were seventies parents where both parents It was
Speaker 1: the first time both parents had been.
Speaker 3: To Were your mom and dad still together?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: Oh? Sure, okay.
Speaker 1: Dad had a very successful martial arts community all across country.
Speaker 3: He's quite a superstar. Actually, yeah, yeah, he's the Bruce
Speaker 3: Lee Australia.
Speaker 1: Right, And we had often like entered the dragon, a
Speaker 1: hundred black belts in the backyard every we.
Speaker 3: Literally, so I was very safe, right And did you
Speaker 3: do that? No? You never did it.
Speaker 1: No. I thought it was unfeminine. I didn't like the
Speaker 1: sound of a woman kiying.
Speaker 3: Didn't dig it.
Speaker 1: But but no, we're back to the just like that,
Speaker 1: that fact of being free. I was completely left alone
Speaker 1: at the at the end of three boys, you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I was literally left to my own device,
Speaker 1: and my grandparents were in the house, so they were
Speaker 1: always there should I want to come in at any
Speaker 1: time at the night or morning. And there was safe
Speaker 1: dear numbers there, and the world was a different place Kate,
Speaker 1: like I would spend I'd catch a tram down Cothain
Speaker 1: Road all the way into town, catch down some and
Speaker 1: killed the road, stay in sharehouses after a gig at
Speaker 1: the ballroom, all through the area that we live and
Speaker 1: work around now, And I just there isn't a place
Speaker 1: I haven't played or slept in. And there were very
Speaker 1: like and younger people were old. Yes, right, I think
Speaker 1: young people today are young. Yes, I'll be back with
Speaker 1: Kate Sobrano after this short break. Like, I think you
Speaker 1: and I are fundamentally similar because of the era we
Speaker 1: were designed in, like without a phone and there were
Speaker 1: analog phones, yes.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: Quite often neglected in a good way by parents in
Speaker 1: that they were busy doing other stuff important to them,
Speaker 1: watching my brother in my case, which was good right, yeah,
Speaker 1: there you are so and you were in put yourself
Speaker 1: in a position where they really couldn't keep eyes on you.
Speaker 3: Well yeah.
Speaker 1: And also my brother and I Phil, Yes, he was
Speaker 1: like my he was the naughty half of my so
Speaker 1: called good half. Like he'd just delighted me endlessly on
Speaker 1: what mischief he would get up to because he became
Speaker 1: the first to drive. So we would go to each
Speaker 1: other's parties and he would be the designated driver. He
Speaker 1: and Gumpy Phillips, a very extreme and crazy kid, and
Speaker 1: we would listen to David Bowie on repeat and we
Speaker 1: were living. We were pretending we were in the streets
Speaker 1: of London, running, running from things, running towards things, running
Speaker 1: away from things, making mischief. And my brother was a
Speaker 1: mod so I followed him into that trend. And then
Speaker 1: then he got into like a rhythm of blues and
Speaker 1: started playing guitar rock guitar like Stevie Ray Vaughn and Hendrix.
Speaker 1: And then I invited him in my band and then
Speaker 1: he started to just was like funk and so Steve
Speaker 1: Kearney on the drums, right, So Steve laste string and
Speaker 1: you're comedy. Well, the Last Laugh was the home of Gena,
Speaker 1: Riley and Ricky. That was the That was the seed
Speaker 1: for all of what I considered Melbourne comedy actually, and
Speaker 1: I was sort of half raised with wild punk comic,
Speaker 1: you know, crazy crazy people, and then on the other
Speaker 1: half raised by Henry Mars, the Nightcat, Brunswick Street, the Marios, right,
Speaker 1: and I have this polarity all the while, you know,
Speaker 1: hitching rides back to Baurn each night at four am
Speaker 1: in the mon Okay, because you were so young, I
Speaker 1: wonder if mum and mere people can actually handle this
Speaker 1: kind of.
Speaker 3: Like, well, I don't know, but this is cake people
Speaker 3: don't know. I think I'm one out of.
Speaker 1: But because it was a world and the music world
Speaker 1: has always been like this, and it's sex and drugs
Speaker 1: and rock and roll, you were so young, how was.
Speaker 3: That for you?
Speaker 1: You always seem to have had this shield of protection
Speaker 1: around you, partly in the form of your brothers, as
Speaker 1: you said, but also you seem to have this strength
Speaker 1: around you as well. Was that always the case or
Speaker 1: did you find yourself in situations that were I don't
Speaker 1: tear myselfs.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 1: I don't see myself as being very strong because I'm
Speaker 1: frightened by many things. Actually, like I think I'm I
Speaker 1: chose not to engage with a lot of the elements
Speaker 1: of my culture, mostly out of fear, like a lot
Speaker 1: of my pals at the time of fifteen years and
Speaker 1: twenty years older than me.
Speaker 3: In fact, my boyfriend was eight years older than me
Speaker 3: and I was in Trent. I loved the fact that they.
Speaker 1: Were romantic, they understood literature, they understood art. They knew
Speaker 1: what to do when we'd go into a gallery, they
Speaker 1: know the protocol of how to.
Speaker 3: To find dining restaurant.
Speaker 1: Like I was completely you know that that character in
Speaker 1: Pigmiley and it's like, let's teach this girl how to
Speaker 1: speak properly, and I was like, yeah, the rain, you know.
Speaker 3: And I was the willing kind of angenue.
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to do the lines of coke
Speaker 1: that were keeping them up all night.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I'd drink and dance on the tables and entertain the
Speaker 1: folks as a young jazz.
Speaker 3: But mostly on the tables.
Speaker 1: I realized, up high in a room, you could watch
Speaker 1: it all, but you didn't actually have to engage. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: the safest place to be, place to be and out
Speaker 1: of reach, out of reach right could do the most
Speaker 1: amazing things right. And Josephine Baker was born like strip
Speaker 1: me off and put me in a banana skirt, and
Speaker 1: I was in heaven.
Speaker 3: Quite literally. So I am a bit, I'm a bit, I.
Speaker 1: Am an anomaly, I am one of I think I
Speaker 1: am an artist, true and true, made solely from Melbourne.
Speaker 1: I found it very hard to integrate into other countries.
Speaker 1: When I tried to go overseas, right because interest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they already had people like me. I worked with
Speaker 1: Malcolm McLaren and he said, oh, no, I've done you.
Speaker 3: We've had Anna Luen from Bow Wow. Yeah, rightly done you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He literally said those words, Oh no, I've had you.
Speaker 1: So you couldn't be a buffalo girl, no kind of buffalo.
Speaker 3: I couldn't go.
Speaker 1: And be Billie Holiday because when I go to America,
Speaker 1: they only see me as the gardener's daughter, right, a
Speaker 1: little Filipino girl, right, who which in the era of.
Speaker 3: The eighties and in New York and the Epstein's, I was.
Speaker 1: Not their jam really because you were I mean you are,
Speaker 1: but you also then were just so impossibly beautiful in
Speaker 1: a very making impact on self aware way.
Speaker 3: When I made an impact was when I'd find myself
Speaker 3: in clubs downtown like in New York. Yeah, so a
Speaker 3: bit grittier.
Speaker 1: This is, yes, exactly, with artists like John Cusack or
Speaker 1: there was the sex player from Stranger Than Paradise, you
Speaker 1: know these John Lewie and Tom Waits and these were
Speaker 1: people that would go to these clubs and there was
Speaker 1: I have cinematic experiences repeating my life either New York parison,
Speaker 1: but where I get discovered by those people. They're not filmed,
Speaker 1: they're not recorded, but they will at times, and I've
Speaker 1: seen it documented later, like from George Michael or Bono.
Speaker 1: There's this girl, which to me, that law is so
Speaker 1: much more valuable to me. It's more, it's worth more
Speaker 1: than all the money in the world to build a career,
Speaker 1: because I literally at this time there was Robert de
Speaker 1: Niro was in the audience. There was and it was
Speaker 1: a small club run by a friend of mine who
Speaker 1: was the hat check girl at a at a at
Speaker 1: a very popular nightclub. And one of us singers couldn't
Speaker 1: make it that day and she said, hey, kay, you sing,
Speaker 1: don't you? And I was like, uh huh, And she goes,
Speaker 1: do you think you could cover?
Speaker 3: Sure? And I don't know what was the what what
Speaker 3: was the music? That you were jazz?
Speaker 1: Right, and they were a very fine jazz band. But
Speaker 1: I went up there and this is just this smug
Speaker 1: part of me, which has been there since I can remember,
Speaker 1: walks up and says, hey, play Skylark in the KYVG,
Speaker 1: but don't come in until the verse, and then you
Speaker 1: start and it's those moments that you can't repeat evoe,
Speaker 1: but the din of the room goes sindrop, and the
Speaker 1: aperture and the and the crowd go what the fuck
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 3: To me? I think I live for those moments.
Speaker 1: Those those are the most rare, and they're the most
Speaker 1: unpretentious because that you couldn't have actually created it or
Speaker 1: caused it, And you certainly couldn't have a board of
Speaker 1: directors around a record label inventing that.
Speaker 3: There's no miss that could. They can't do that. No,
Speaker 3: you can't. And you and I share the very privileged
Speaker 3: position of being entirely self made women. Yes, every moment
Speaker 3: of our life. Heart.
Speaker 1: No, it's bloody heart, and it's actually it's an awful road.
Speaker 3: Don't do it, don't don't, don't do it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not that you chose it, almost like it
Speaker 1: chose you.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm bound to it like I am.
Speaker 1: I'm like definitely, I'm playing in the hands of some
Speaker 1: other auto over here, and you are too. Because you
Speaker 1: know why, Because because we've listened to the to the
Speaker 1: authors of those books that have had as puppets on
Speaker 1: the end of a string having his cry and laugh
Speaker 1: and perform acts in our lives right to honor these
Speaker 1: great writers, these great filmmakers. These I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but every time I see a movie, I don't ever
Speaker 1: remember who I've gone to see it with because I'm
Speaker 1: in the movie, right, Yeah, I am in the movie,
Speaker 1: like I'll pick apart, yeah, and I'll walk out of
Speaker 1: that cinema and God help me if I'm not that
Speaker 1: person for at least another twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: Okay, So in the movie of your life? Who would play?
Speaker 3: Who would play you? Do you know it's an interesting
Speaker 3: Jessica Melboy.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, because did you see her in that film,
Speaker 1: the Australian film about Vietnam? Oh? Yes, yes, she is
Speaker 1: very good. She's great, so Jessica Malboy, because she's very good. Well,
Speaker 1: because she'd probably do all of the spectrum of me right,
Speaker 1: which is success and failure, well right, pathos right, she
Speaker 1: could sing she's like me, meaning we have a similar
Speaker 1: sort of history in Motown, Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 3: But what she has a breadth to her, She's got spectrum.
Speaker 1: And the thing that she also has, which I really love,
Speaker 1: is that she's very She's grateful forever ever.
Speaker 3: Been anywhere she is. She's just so grateful to pinch me.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I remember one time I saw her
Speaker 1: at the Arias and she was slay because she misread
Speaker 1: the Q card and she said debit instead of debut.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yes, and that's very Kate Sobrano right, Like,
Speaker 1: just when I want to finesse or find a part
Speaker 1: of me that could tell everyone by my gestures that
Speaker 1: you're all wrong, I'm actually very very I know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'll just do something like fall off the cluts, yeah,
Speaker 1: which means that I'm huge women, yes, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not polished, you know. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're in Jessica, I want you to play me. Okay,
Speaker 1: when you see failures before success and failures, what what
Speaker 1: are the failures?
Speaker 3: Herculean failures? Are they?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, like hands on hands and knees on the ground,
Speaker 1: braying like a donkey, with the sheer agony of like
Speaker 1: lost opportunity?
Speaker 3: Really many, many, many many? What? What? Mostly? What what's
Speaker 3: the top of that list? I got this really, I
Speaker 3: can think of it. Well.
Speaker 1: I mean there are the obvious ones which come to mind,
Speaker 1: which is declining the offer to sing the title track
Speaker 1: for Strictly Borom because I thought that Borim dancing was
Speaker 1: pretty daggy. Oh really, but that's also very unlike you response. Well,
Speaker 1: not at the time, because borom dancing was pretty daggy
Speaker 1: when I grew up, rather flamenco. It was generally because
Speaker 1: you're always drawn to you, you seem to be a
Speaker 1: yes and person No. Well, back then, I said no
Speaker 1: to a lot of things Stockache and Morteman. Right, I've
Speaker 1: said no to at the time, you know, just defending
Speaker 1: my right to be, you know, a punk at the time.
Speaker 1: And actually, you know, Virginia Trioli, who's another great Melbourne girl,
Speaker 1: one of our kind, she said, you've got to stop
Speaker 1: apologizing for this stuff because actually you were performing the
Speaker 1: very duty of a punk made in the streets of
Speaker 1: Melbourne to decline the offer of doing these things. Right,
Speaker 1: She's like, stop looking at your life like a sliding doors.
Speaker 1: She was sort of slapping me on the cheek and saying,
Speaker 1: wake up to yourself. But there are things that you
Speaker 1: know as an artist that some opportunities only come one well,
Speaker 1: the one thing, the things that really hurt when you're
Speaker 1: on on the brink of releasing an album you've spent
Speaker 1: three months making and because of a change of guard
Speaker 1: and a label, one person left and another comes in
Speaker 1: and in the room. In twenty four hours, they've canceled
Speaker 1: your whole release and you're no longer going to have
Speaker 1: a career in New York. Like her heart rendering horrible, right,
Speaker 1: a woman who's coming to save all women in music?
Speaker 1: To me, was this what I was? She's sitting there
Speaker 1: with sunglasses on a fur coat, sitting and just does
Speaker 1: the caesar on the gig, just says no taking this.
Speaker 1: And You're like, well, okay, but I'm signed, I have
Speaker 1: a contract. What are you going to do about that?
Speaker 1: She was like, sort of stiff shit. You just get
Speaker 1: the record and you.
Speaker 3: Do what you want.
Speaker 1: I've never released it, and so you pick yourself up,
Speaker 1: You pick yourself up, and you go okay. You ask
Speaker 1: yourself questions like why are you so stupid? Why did
Speaker 1: you make this record? Surely nobody out there wants it?
Speaker 1: Why are you doing this? At the heart of it
Speaker 1: was actually I'd come off Superstar and I was on
Speaker 1: a very big high. Every night, sixteen to eighteen thousand
Speaker 1: people a night, hundreds of shows.
Speaker 3: It was like one hundred shows and more.
Speaker 1: Actually, I thought I was pretty I was. I thought
Speaker 1: I was pretty infallible.
Speaker 3: Actually you were Mary Magdalen right right? Yeah, it felt
Speaker 3: it felt amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Fred Maher, who I loved again. I'm going
Speaker 1: back into this the underwell. I think I rate him
Speaker 1: because he drummed for Lou Reed for fifteen years and
Speaker 1: he knows David Byrne, and I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: make a record with him. You see, two things don't
Speaker 1: really align. It's like, you could have gone and worked
Speaker 1: with Celine Dion's producer. You could have gone and worked
Speaker 1: with you know, stock Caakee and No. I chose to
Speaker 1: work with Fred Maher because he was cool and he
Speaker 1: had seen me in a club, the Continental in Greville
Speaker 1: Street singing jazz when I was with I'm talking and
Speaker 1: he said, I'd like to make a jazz album with
Speaker 1: your kid. And so what's the first thing I did
Speaker 1: when I left Superstars.
Speaker 3: I go to New York.
Speaker 1: I plant myself into New York and I make a
Speaker 1: jazz album, which nobody wants. And it was wonderful, and
Speaker 1: it hurt me and I never recovered until Mushroom came
Speaker 1: along and said, Kate Serrana, you better make a record
Speaker 1: with us because it's time. And I made Pash and
Speaker 1: we went and made that in La and Wow, a
Speaker 1: different story.
Speaker 3: And then how was the punk part of you?
Speaker 1: Mark Seymour writes about it, So the singer of Hunters
Speaker 1: and Collectors writes about it. And it's a cruel joke
Speaker 1: to play on people when you're a teenager to politically
Speaker 1: align yourself like see for instance, he was saying the
Speaker 1: bands and Australian bands at the time were like they
Speaker 1: were kind of like a socialist movement. You were one,
Speaker 1: everyone was equal, You got paid the same amount. No
Speaker 1: one got paid roy the royalties you still burden if
Speaker 1: you leave the band, you're still paying for the band
Speaker 1: forty years later, you know, like okay, so it's not
Speaker 1: it's quite a socialist kind of kind of concept right
Speaker 1: to step out of that politic kind of thinking with
Speaker 1: music and going to being a superstar. And the two
Speaker 1: don't sit comfortably with each other. I'd constantly go, I
Speaker 1: want it, I don't want it. I want it, I
Speaker 1: don't want it. I want it, I don't want it.
Speaker 1: And I just think that's only just settled in me
Speaker 1: these days when I look at my daughter's career and
Speaker 1: her music career, and as me coming into my sixtieth
Speaker 1: years as a human and my forty year career going
Speaker 1: enough of the indecision if you want it, go and
Speaker 1: have it right, or just stop complaining about it and
Speaker 1: do something else.
Speaker 3: Yes, but there has to be that singularity.
Speaker 1: And so I sort of think, and I know you've
Speaker 1: talked about Kylie Minogue for instance, if we talk about
Speaker 1: Australian music, you can't not talk about Kyle but that
Speaker 1: she had a singularity without the distractions that we talked
Speaker 1: about before of family and you know, no husband, right,
Speaker 1: there was something in you that did not that couldn't
Speaker 1: embrace that singularity. You know, I have to sometimes create
Speaker 1: an adversity to overcome and to just triumph somewhere sometimes
Speaker 1: like it might be, Oh, I've got a bit of
Speaker 1: a sore throat. I must triumph and I sing and
Speaker 1: coy despite it.
Speaker 3: You know I could.
Speaker 1: I could create an adversity out of the face of
Speaker 1: Australian music, which appears to be very blue eyed and blonde.
Speaker 1: I could say that, yeah, And I could travel especially
Speaker 1: then then now into the future and sail away with
Speaker 1: the Oh my life.
Speaker 3: If you hadn't been Olivia Newton John.
Speaker 1: But actually this kind of species, that's wrong because that's
Speaker 1: they're not that they are women surviving and thrive as themselves.
Speaker 1: You can't stand in competition with another woman who's actually
Speaker 1: making it go, right.
Speaker 3: No, you can't. No, but it's a natural thing.
Speaker 1: But well, I have used the adversity just so you know,
Speaker 1: internally sometimes for the energy to fight back. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's right. I'm not even saying it's really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but whatever you need to get you out
Speaker 3: of bed. Well do you do you know what I
Speaker 3: mean by it? Like, is it just me a sort
Speaker 3: of No.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very common Like I said, these
Speaker 1: are conversations in your case about the arts, but I
Speaker 1: do think it's extrapolated very broadly through people. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I can only prove that person wrong who told me,
Speaker 1: I'd turn into nobody.
Speaker 3: If I could just tell that.
Speaker 1: Bully on the at school that she was wrong about me,
Speaker 1: I'm not a pushover or I'm not as you know,
Speaker 1: like these words they seem to impregnate into your thoughts
Speaker 1: as a human and they'll drive your choices. But it's
Speaker 1: interesting that some people are cowed by the no.
Speaker 3: And some people use the know as fuel.
Speaker 1: Well, the no was fuel until now, and now I
Speaker 1: realize now that i'm actually you know, I'm very good
Speaker 1: friends with monogques, and I'm very good friends with that.
Speaker 1: Actually now we're in the sisterhood, so the nose have changed.
Speaker 1: I have other nose now, like like, for instance, I
Speaker 1: think it would be a disservice to women of my
Speaker 1: age to stop performing. Now, yes, I agree, Okay, so
Speaker 1: you see how I feel the same about Madonna, even
Speaker 1: I'm on board with her, even though it's a white
Speaker 1: knuckle ride, you know, but I.
Speaker 3: Did see it like, let's let's let's talk, because you've.
Speaker 1: Interviewed Madonna, which I've always rated, like I have asked
Speaker 1: you always and tell me you.
Speaker 3: Go fireside fireside chat with.
Speaker 1: Kate language tell me more about it, and what was
Speaker 1: she wearing and what did she say? And she liked
Speaker 1: you because she's an instinctive animal who knows another one
Speaker 1: who's like her is in the field and on the field.
Speaker 1: She knew you, didn't she above and beyond the thousands.
Speaker 1: But it does seem to have that in she's she's
Speaker 1: like and which I think you need as a survival.
Speaker 3: Definitely must.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely said that you can survey what's on
Speaker 1: the savannah. You do, and you cast like you would
Speaker 1: have film the people with whom you want to be
Speaker 1: like or seen like, or rub shoulders, or at least
Speaker 1: having within your sights so that you can measure one
Speaker 1: another up and come to up to like.
Speaker 3: For instance, she.
Speaker 1: Was probably looking at you, going, okay, in what classy
Speaker 1: questions could you ask me that that person just did
Speaker 1: that they failed to get the goods because she stopped
Speaker 1: with you for a bit and actually gave you her time.
Speaker 3: Didn't she? Yeah, she did. She was great. I don't
Speaker 3: want you to talk about Madonna. I want you to
Speaker 3: talk about you.
Speaker 1: Well I well, okay, it's just it's but we are
Speaker 1: of an age now where we put down those those
Speaker 1: ridiculous kind of adversities.
Speaker 3: I claimed them. I don't. It's kind of been on
Speaker 3: Wester joke now.
Speaker 1: And that's why my girlfriend said to me, she said,
Speaker 1: I'll quit with the old bug bear, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's not even yours about whatever, about being the marginalized other. Yes, good,
Speaker 1: think of yourself as a mother. Oh yeah, mother, mother,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, mother.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The gays have got it right, mother, and it is
Speaker 1: that energy. But it's the gays absolutely, you know, because
Speaker 1: ones and even in even in the in any in any.
Speaker 3: Culture in the world, we can all aground one thing.
Speaker 3: We all were born.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, even if we have to reduce it to that, right,
Speaker 1: it's a good idea, okay.
Speaker 3: And so to whomever is born into this world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to agree that we all need someone
Speaker 1: to show us the way. Yes, even if it's just
Speaker 1: for temporary or it could be a like I mean,
Speaker 1: it might be just for a small time a period
Speaker 1: of time, Yes, and make up the damage of potentially
Speaker 1: other mothers who didn't have skill sets and weren't good
Speaker 1: at doing exactly that.
Speaker 3: Stay with us.
Speaker 1: My conversation with Kate Sobrano continues after this break. You
Speaker 1: know how you said it's your responsibility to keep performing.
Speaker 1: How does that relationship change? Obviously physically you change. There's
Speaker 1: been a number there are a number of changes through
Speaker 1: your life. Yeah, how does your relationship with yourself change?
Speaker 3: On stage?
Speaker 1: Because you're very I don't know what the right word is,
Speaker 1: but you exude a great sexuality on stage. I love
Speaker 1: that because I don't feel ready to put that part
Speaker 1: of me down. Let's be frank. When you start menstruating,
Speaker 1: stop menstruating, you start dying. The body as a physical unit,
Speaker 1: it no longer creates that life force that all the
Speaker 1: potential for it, So you do sollularly start dying. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you doctor. You're like the doctor who describes the
Speaker 1: pregnancies as Jerry.
Speaker 3: Well and morbidly obese.
Speaker 1: And I sent the time because then I have to
Speaker 1: tell you then, so what choices do you have?
Speaker 3: Yes? Okay.
Speaker 1: So I woke up out of COVID and I had
Speaker 1: come through menopause during COVID, well the worst of it,
Speaker 1: and wondering, you know, and i'd stopped, finally stopped, and
Speaker 1: the grief I felt of not being productive.
Speaker 3: Right yeah, yeah was.
Speaker 1: So strong because I thought, will this contest my right
Speaker 1: to be sexual, like to look and behave in this way?
Speaker 1: Am I actually going to have to tidy.
Speaker 3: It all up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, and hide and hide it away?
Speaker 1: And will I actually and also will I just lose all?
Speaker 1: Because music for me is been driven by a sense
Speaker 1: to sort of like kind of stimulate people, which, let's
Speaker 1: face it, creativity and sexuality are kind of equal. They
Speaker 1: stimulate a part of you on a cellular level. They
Speaker 1: stimulate your thoughts and energies and your response to act
Speaker 1: and behave to wear clothes, to dress a certain way,
Speaker 1: to tell another human around you, just by your presence,
Speaker 1: how you.
Speaker 3: Feel about yourself really, you know. And so I had
Speaker 3: to make a pledge with myself and it wasn't going
Speaker 3: to be pretty.
Speaker 1: But you're going to have to pull yourself up right,
Speaker 1: and you're going to have to go and get that
Speaker 1: body bag, and you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Have to throw that bodybirg on the reformer. You're body
Speaker 3: bag right, and you're going to have to.
Speaker 1: Wake that body bag up, and you need to show others.
Speaker 3: Don't go to sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't go to sleep, because unfortunately, if you fall asleep,
Speaker 1: it's the opium sleep.
Speaker 3: In the poppy field.
Speaker 1: You will stay asleep and things will less, they're less,
Speaker 1: they will become less and less important to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: suddenly you won't see. Gypsy said something so magnificent the
Speaker 1: other day. We were, Yeah, my darling, we were sitting
Speaker 1: at a cafe and we were admiring this woman sitting there.
Speaker 1: She had her two dogs and she'd put a face
Speaker 1: on and she looked amazing. She must have been in
Speaker 1: her seventies, and she's sitting there and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, she just starts screaming at the for service,
Speaker 1: bang bang bang, excuse me, excuse me?
Speaker 3: Where's my menu? You haven't given me my menu? How
Speaker 3: long must I wait? You know, this is the woman
Speaker 3: with her puppies.
Speaker 1: And we were like, whoa okay, And then after it
Speaker 1: all sort of stopped and she got up and left
Speaker 1: in a huff. My daughter deduced she said, she said,
Speaker 1: it's kind of sad, isn't it, mum? Because a woman
Speaker 1: of a certain age thinks she's invisible. What a way
Speaker 1: to flip it? So rather than going well that was
Speaker 1: a bit untidy. Yeah, I hope we don't grow.
Speaker 3: Up into becoming that. She said.
Speaker 1: She thought she was invisible, and unfortunately it provokes rage
Speaker 1: in her and the rage can't be spent, and so
Speaker 1: she had to leave.
Speaker 3: She knew with regret.
Speaker 2: She let her read oh no, okay, yeah, and that
Speaker 2: was horrible, and we both sat there and we grieved
Speaker 2: for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the very cry. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: crying in your household. There's a lot of crying. You're
Speaker 3: nearly crying.
Speaker 1: Now we don't maybe nearly cry the other day, Well,
Speaker 1: so it was your daughter's twenty first birthday, Yes, Sunday,
Speaker 1: and we were and you had your house full of
Speaker 1: family as only you guys totally know how to do it.
Speaker 1: Just is such the most beautiful sensation. And your mother
Speaker 1: in law was there. Now, your mother in law was
Speaker 1: certain she would die at eighty and she.
Speaker 3: Did because her mom did right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the rage against the dying of
Speaker 1: the light. She threw her body bag onto the floor
Speaker 1: with all of her other mates. And how fierce and
Speaker 1: sexy she just got this dress which she plucked or
Speaker 1: got out of the bags and stole back her fr coat.
Speaker 3: She came in rocking at like slid stone and you're like.
Speaker 1: Wow, And she is determined to show herself that this
Speaker 1: is not over until she says so.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: So anyway to go back to your why did that
Speaker 1: nearly make you cry? Well, because I just I moved
Speaker 1: by it, like I moved by the humanity.
Speaker 3: I moved.
Speaker 1: I moved when people do things that are unpredictable. Yes,
Speaker 1: me too, You know me too, Well, something unpredictable has
Speaker 1: happened to us. How come you're at my family parties, Kate,
Speaker 1: are you going to? And also I want to know
Speaker 1: how there was a sort of Okay, so well we're
Speaker 1: both each other's mother in law's yes, and for three
Speaker 1: years celebrating recently, yeah, an anniversary our babies. Okay, So
Speaker 1: your daughter Gypsy is dating your son Lewis. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and I need to ask you this, right. I told
Speaker 1: the kids this morning. I saw them at breakfast this morning.
Speaker 1: I said, we're going to talk about how you two met, right,
Speaker 1: and Gypsy sort of went, ah, that'll be fun. Anne
Speaker 1: Lewis was just he was making a breakfast.
Speaker 3: He was like, h I don't So this is what
Speaker 3: we'll share this with listeners.
Speaker 1: Right, So this is my understanding of how it happened,
Speaker 1: but we've never actually had this conversation. So three years ago,
Speaker 1: our mutual friend Trudy Joyce, a brilliant makeup artist, came
Speaker 1: over from wa to do your makeup. You were doing
Speaker 1: a Woman's Weekly, I think, and it was a stunning
Speaker 1: spread and she was staying at my house because we're
Speaker 1: around the corner from where you were shooting. She came
Speaker 1: home on the first day and she said, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: it was so amazing.
Speaker 3: She looks so beautiful. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Kate said to say hi, and I said, oh, I
Speaker 1: love Kate Sabrana. I don't see her very often, but
Speaker 1: I really like her. And she said, Gypsy likes Lewis.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, Gypsy her daughter, right, I said,
Speaker 1: does she know? Does she know Lewis?
Speaker 3: And Trudy said no.
Speaker 1: But Kate spotted Lewis and went, he looks like a
Speaker 1: nice guy.
Speaker 3: It's a slight Okay, all right, tell me what tell
Speaker 3: me how you even knew him?
Speaker 1: It's it is true. Well, you know I'm a weeper. Sorry,
Speaker 1: let's just froll it back. I won't take long viewers.
Speaker 1: I just need to just clarify this with the other
Speaker 1: case Kate squared. So it actually rolls back to reading
Speaker 1: your book in Covid chow Bella about us living in Italy,
Speaker 1: and I was very moved by the story of Lewis
Speaker 1: and you and this family's decision to kind of outrun
Speaker 1: that whole history of that and change it up. I
Speaker 1: loved your story of changing your career yes and where
Speaker 1: you wanted to. I was so in bold, like I
Speaker 1: just thought, wow, she's so brave, right, So that's what.
Speaker 1: And then I get to the center and there's the family,
Speaker 1: and I look at this toy.
Speaker 3: I love the photos.
Speaker 1: I love those books. I love the photos in books.
Speaker 1: I can pour over them again and again and again.
Speaker 1: I'm always referring back to as well, so as I
Speaker 1: actually always see you in my mind's eye when I'm
Speaker 1: reading the book, and I see this, this lovely tol
Speaker 1: lad leaning in against the veranda with the family photo,
Speaker 1: and I thought.
Speaker 3: Now, I love my daughter. He's sitting upstairs.
Speaker 1: It's covid, so brutal, you know, to meet someone who
Speaker 1: reads as nice as that. And so Trudy was doing
Speaker 1: my makeup, as he said, and I said to her,
Speaker 1: I've got something if you don't mind. When we talked
Speaker 1: and determined that she was actually in Lewis's car that day,
Speaker 1: could you ask Lewis to come and pick something up
Speaker 1: at the house because I got something I think she
Speaker 1: might like, Kate might like and over the garden gate. Yes,
Speaker 1: And Gypsy asked him out to the movies. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So what happened was we were going to he said, Mum,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 3: I'm getting these messages from this girl Gypsy.
Speaker 1: I went on gypsy, right, I said, He said, we're gonning.
Speaker 1: She's got something I need to pick up. That's right, right,
Speaker 1: and beautiful she was. As I said to Lewis, the
Speaker 1: ladies in the village.
Speaker 3: Are matchmaking you, my darling. And I said, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I promise I'm not involved, but I'm not
Speaker 3: anti it. Right, this is what I see to him.
Speaker 3: But you just need to know you've been you're being
Speaker 3: match mate. It's true anyway.
Speaker 1: And then there was some embroidered place mats which I loved,
Speaker 1: really beautiful linen vintage place mats that Lewis was sent.
Speaker 3: Over to pick up.
Speaker 1: But by that stage, Peter and I had left for
Speaker 1: overseas and we were going back to Italy for the
Speaker 1: first time since we'd left. I'm living there and Peter
Speaker 1: was going to Paris for the first time ever, which
Speaker 1: he was going to do, but we're in lockdown.
Speaker 3: He never went right.
Speaker 1: By the time we got to Paris, which was three
Speaker 1: weeks later, Lewis facetimed us and we're in our little
Speaker 1: Airbnb apartment having breakfast and he's really happy and he says,
Speaker 1: I say, what are.
Speaker 3: You doing today? He goes, oh, I'm going to the
Speaker 3: movie's mum, I said, who are you going with? And
Speaker 3: he said Gypsy And I said, so that was three
Speaker 3: weeks of.
Speaker 1: Going for walks blah blah blah. And I said to him,
Speaker 1: have you got a girlfriend, darling? And he said, I
Speaker 1: think I do, Mom, And that was your daughter. They
Speaker 1: have been together three years now and they're very just
Speaker 1: lovely together. And you know what I love most about
Speaker 1: them is there they are a sellon to themselves, like
Speaker 1: they have big mothers, big familieses, big families, big stories
Speaker 1: going on for some reason, the two of them, they're
Speaker 1: just orbiting together, yeah, managing fluid.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So we still have very busy lives you and I, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I come and go as as so often as
Speaker 1: you probably do.
Speaker 3: As you and Peter are also very connected.
Speaker 1: As a couple still too. It's not like you kind
Speaker 1: of grew up apart like and I. We work and
Speaker 1: tour together always, I know, which is amazing. It's amazing
Speaker 1: that you and I are so similar in this way.
Speaker 1: If you need a break, you both go together. Yes,
Speaker 1: and similar to us. So the fact that Lewis and
Speaker 1: Gypsy are growing up together being each other's pals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, is a great comfort to me. But do
Speaker 1: you remember the night that you came over. When you
Speaker 1: came up for the first time, you did a drop
Speaker 1: in at twilight, which is always for me like proper
Speaker 1: witching hour. I'm cooking, I was making lasagna. There's a
Speaker 1: knock the door. I opened the door. It's Kate Soebrano
Speaker 1: with her daughter and my son holding a puppy. Sorry,
Speaker 1: so you inheritance and we also dog a puppy. But
Speaker 1: you came in that night and you said, do we
Speaker 1: need to talk? Which is another aspect of your life
Speaker 1: that I think has kept you very grounded. And you
Speaker 1: said to me because when when word got out amongst
Speaker 1: people that Gypsy and Lewis were going out together, religion
Speaker 1: came up. Because of your religion, you're a scientologist. And
Speaker 1: you came in and you said, do we need to talk?
Speaker 1: Is there anything you need to know? You can ask
Speaker 1: me anything.
Speaker 3: Do you remember this?
Speaker 1: Not really, but I know that we were having some
Speaker 1: one probably that's why. Yeah, I actually love talking with
Speaker 1: you about religion, about everything.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 1: And I love this because Peter and I said to you,
Speaker 1: we've already had this discussion and we have got the
Speaker 1: measure of you through your daughter, who's a very beautiful
Speaker 1: woman obviously a product of stability and love and whatever.
Speaker 1: And we had decided whatever rah rah people have about
Speaker 1: and people seem to be about a religion that's not theirs.
Speaker 1: They're always like, that's just how people are look at
Speaker 1: the world. But we had said, let's just take these
Speaker 1: people as they come to us. And we said that
Speaker 1: to you at the kitchen table. We said, we just
Speaker 1: however we find you, and how we have found you
Speaker 1: is to be beautiful and in fact, whatever the I
Speaker 1: don't know how much of it is you and how
Speaker 1: much of it is your beliefs, but we have been
Speaker 1: very struck by the beauty, the welcoming to the world,
Speaker 1: and also very good mental health. Right, yeah, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: you maybe not you not means.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? Very good? One doesn't.
Speaker 1: I would I would hate for people to just assume
Speaker 1: that gipsy inherits all of the practices of my life,
Speaker 1: because that's not true of our community group, in terms
Speaker 1: of my religious groups, not assumed society. You also said that,
Speaker 1: I say, well, that you have to. But when you,
Speaker 1: as a parent, parent, you make choices that are entirely
Speaker 1: your prerogative and responsibility.
Speaker 3: You have to like and it doesn't matter where you
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 1: If you want a moral compass, and you need to
Speaker 1: find it somewhere, and you find it in anything that's
Speaker 1: goods or calisthenics or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, people have to make that choice as parents how
Speaker 1: they're going to parent. And we made the choices parents
Speaker 1: to guide her by anything that we knew that could
Speaker 1: be of value to supporting her dreams and goals, right,
Speaker 1: But to insist or or make those decisions for her
Speaker 1: were completely anathema to us. It had to be entirely well,
Speaker 1: she has to herself live her own life, yes, and
Speaker 1: she is showing you her life. She is, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: a new and improved model of me because she has
Speaker 1: deeper thoughts and has come to conclusions. It took me
Speaker 1: years and years and years to make like that one
Speaker 1: about parents like that adult. Yes, she has difference, she's
Speaker 1: the differences that are quite unique. And Lewis has differences
Speaker 1: about the way he sees the world that are totally
Speaker 1: unique to him and his generation. And I see, in
Speaker 1: a kind of way, in a weird way, they're uninfluenceable
Speaker 1: like they are themselves. You and I can study and
Speaker 1: read any book, and in fact I do like I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone can make any judgment unless they're fully
Speaker 1: fully involved themselves in a subject. So let's just take
Speaker 1: religion off the plate. For instance, I don't like celebrities
Speaker 1: who bang on about politics.
Speaker 3: No, I hate it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, I don't like it, and I don't like
Speaker 1: it when and I also actually think it's it's not helpful.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, we don't know.
Speaker 1: The value of their education on it, and I, having
Speaker 1: left school early, know what it feels like to be
Speaker 1: stigmatized because I wasn't educated, right, Okay, so I'm very
Speaker 1: aware that I almost have to overcompensate in study my
Speaker 1: own private studies to just legitimize my life because education
Speaker 1: is a very stable way of assessing a person's worth
Speaker 1: in society.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's a currency, it is, and you have to acknowledge that.
Speaker 1: So when someone comes to me and they've got these
Speaker 1: strong views and they're using their platform to espouse these views,
Speaker 1: I want to know what qualifications do they have to
Speaker 1: tell me those things?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So I'm sort of always like, I use my platform
Speaker 1: when I feel I'm really enlightened on the subject, right.
Speaker 3: So like I'm.
Speaker 1: A pilates teacher now and really enlightened on that. I
Speaker 1: use my platform to talk about getting gigfit. I invite
Speaker 1: people to look at this method of using a body.
Speaker 1: I invite methodis I never ever tell them how to
Speaker 1: eat or diet because I'm not an expert in neutropathy
Speaker 1: or you know, and not eating things or.
Speaker 3: Worse, I don't want to be.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be seen to be weighing in
Speaker 1: one way or the other. I know that sounds a
Speaker 1: bit maybe wishy washy on that. But one thing to
Speaker 1: do with faith, and that's I feel that faith is
Speaker 1: a very natural thing like inhuman in human me too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if we were to take the word the words
Speaker 1: out of it and we just deliver faith, it's really
Speaker 1: much like plowing a field, right. You know, it has
Speaker 1: to be healthful to start, when you put a seed in,
Speaker 1: and when the sea grows, it blooms, it's inevitable. We
Speaker 1: know we can, we can nourish.
Speaker 3: Ourselves from it. Faith.
Speaker 1: That's as simple as I can make it. I say
Speaker 1: to my daughter, take as much reject as much as.
Speaker 3: You want know that you are your own bloom. We
Speaker 3: planted you.
Speaker 1: But hey, you're yourself, aren't you? And the two of
Speaker 1: our babies, in fact, all of your children. So can
Speaker 1: I just get back to the twenty first birthday for
Speaker 1: just a second. Okay, but this is an interview with
Speaker 1: Kate Zerbrn. No, I do I know, but we're Kate
Speaker 1: and Kate and we're sort of becoming one of the
Speaker 1: same things. Lawis did say the first time he came,
Speaker 1: the first week that he'd spent at your place, he
Speaker 1: came back and he said, she's exactly like you, mum,
Speaker 1: And I said.
Speaker 3: Oh, is she in what way it? And but no,
Speaker 3: hang on.
Speaker 1: Then like two weeks later he goes, you know how,
Speaker 1: I said, she she is right? And I never found
Speaker 1: out the way in which I was exactly like you,
Speaker 1: And then I didn't find out the way in which.
Speaker 3: I wasn't like you either. But well that's why that
Speaker 3: was like you still naked in the bar.
Speaker 1: Ha oh play let's let's let's let that be enigmatic
Speaker 1: in herself. Hey, I think Lewis is an enigma, and
Speaker 1: I think he and Gipsy are still they're they're finding
Speaker 1: the shape of themselves.
Speaker 3: Yes, they are like water to me.
Speaker 1: They change all the time, they they move in their shape,
Speaker 1: and they just like water.
Speaker 3: But I was I was allowed to like water.
Speaker 1: I was allowed at the twenty first to become invisible
Speaker 1: in your family. And sometimes when Kate Samranna can be
Speaker 1: like being Julia Roberts in notting Hill.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: But also so many members of my family and Peter's
Speaker 1: family are so excited by you, and it's because we
Speaker 1: can just take advantage of the fact of knowing that
Speaker 1: they just are like, oh my god, Kate, so Brian,
Speaker 1: your sister in law is born on exactly the same
Speaker 1: day as me, So that was like a revelation to us.
Speaker 3: But the twenty first birthday many revelations.
Speaker 1: Your Sunday's godmother a beautiful Filipino girl, Alice. So we
Speaker 1: find all these similarities right, and we realize actually, in
Speaker 1: and at this birthday party, it's okay to dissolve into
Speaker 1: the spaces. Sometimes you don't have to stand out. One
Speaker 1: doesn't always have to be the interesting flower and base
Speaker 1: to just be.
Speaker 3: It was so relaxing.
Speaker 1: And I took some video footage when you weren't aware
Speaker 1: of you and Sunday dancing to Abbas and it looked
Speaker 1: like the scene actually the scene from Mama Mea the movie,
Speaker 1: and which only now I'm just realizing how beautifully this
Speaker 1: ties in considering where we're talking on what platform. But
Speaker 1: it was that moment, and I can't find a person
Speaker 1: who wasn't moved by this scene where that Meryl streep in,
Speaker 1: you know she multi generally generationally passing on love. And
Speaker 1: then to the soundtrack of Abba, which seems to be
Speaker 1: the most beautiful and eternal now and it broke me
Speaker 1: the two of you, this beautiful woman come of age
Speaker 1: in a beautiful dress which her godmother had bought for
Speaker 1: her that day. The house was a bloom with light
Speaker 1: and flowers and neon lights, and we were all we
Speaker 1: were all just I don't know, we were just all
Speaker 1: the flowers on the field.
Speaker 3: It was just incredible. Are you going to cry? No,
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just I'm just marveling that I was
Speaker 1: allowed to dance with my daughter. That's kind of why
Speaker 1: I wanted to capture it, because you know, our our
Speaker 1: kids are not our children that they are they what's
Speaker 1: that beautiful old quote? You know, they are the children
Speaker 1: of tomorrow. You know, they're not really ours now that
Speaker 1: they're twenty one in their adults, their choices are their own.
Speaker 1: There the way that they will design their lives will
Speaker 1: be entirely their own. And we sit now they've done
Speaker 1: our job. They've offered them all the wisdom in the
Speaker 1: world that we can muster out of.
Speaker 3: Our our reckless lives. Yeah, rested up for them.
Speaker 1: I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about
Speaker 1: tom cruise. You actually would, I literally, I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: everyone in the else to whom I want to talk
Speaker 1: to about a hit me.
Speaker 3: Do you get the coconut cake every year? What I do?
Speaker 3: What you me?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I do you get the coconut cake. I get the
Speaker 1: coconut cake. I'm very special. I just don't go on
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, that's given me goopunks. I only recently
Speaker 1: found out about the coconut cake. The coconut cake is
Speaker 1: emblematic of his his whimsy. He's he is everything that
Speaker 1: you think he is. Actually he's that sort of hard working,
Speaker 1: you know, relentlessly sportive like I'm not sporty like his is.
Speaker 1: And I won't go in any plane with him. And
Speaker 1: I won't do any of that, Nicole. I remember when
Speaker 1: I first met them, when they were married. We shared
Speaker 1: an incredible experience in a chateau in France, surrounded by
Speaker 1: luminars like Bruce Willis and Demi Moore and Naomi Wattson.
Speaker 1: We did we had a we did you sing? Of course,
Speaker 1: I say, I say with Wilson from heart. I got
Speaker 1: to sing.
Speaker 3: I got. She turned to me and and quite rightly said.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no other singer on the planet like
Speaker 1: my sister, so don't really try. Oh my, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: you've just met one. But Tom and I we're very
Speaker 1: very good mates. Wear those forever mates, because a bit
Speaker 1: like a bit like you and your tusy. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've seen he doesn't give me a coconut cake on
Speaker 1: my birthday.
Speaker 3: Oh there's other versions of coin true.
Speaker 1: That's he comes to have a sawn with me and
Speaker 1: leaves the bandages from his dad. When what days your birthday?
Speaker 1: And what days the coconut cake coming? My birthday is
Speaker 1: on the seventeenth of November. Okay, I'm coming couty.
Speaker 3: But I don't get it for birthday. You don't get
Speaker 3: it for Christmas?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Is it for Christmas. Can you choose or that's his
Speaker 1: that's his choice. That sounds che and it's absolutely sublime,
Speaker 1: and it's like.
Speaker 3: It comes from America. Look, i'll give you the videos
Speaker 3: if you want to.
Speaker 1: I don't actually share them with the world because it
Speaker 1: invites just way too much conversation. But now you're the
Speaker 1: only person I know who gets the coconut cat. Well,
Speaker 1: well let me give you just a little bit more
Speaker 1: skinny on it, right, Okay, So is it delicious?
Speaker 3: It's it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I just just historically, my
Speaker 1: relationship with Tom was founded by Nicole because Nick, you know,
Speaker 1: she made the she made the dots meat and oh
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 3: We became out and Aussie. That's correct, and they are.
Speaker 1: But I always look so to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: and like every other woman at the time, I looked
Speaker 1: at him, I'm like, thanks, Nick, this love it.
Speaker 3: Why didn't you marry me? Right? Yeah? We would have
Speaker 3: been so perfect? Okay, I was.
Speaker 1: I was just starting to date Lee. Really he was
Speaker 1: almost a bit like a Tom Cruise look alike when
Speaker 1: if you wanted a little yeah dark And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the things that I find a fundamentally different
Speaker 1: about being Australian an American. Every reason why I think
Speaker 1: Australians do best with Australians, Americans do best with them.
Speaker 1: There are ideological differences in the Oh my god, yes,
Speaker 1: and in fact there's even an intensity of energy that
Speaker 1: Americans had, they vibrated a different frequency to Australia. You
Speaker 1: absolutely one percent know what I'm talking about. And so
Speaker 1: you know when there's a point when you've known someone
Speaker 1: that you thought one day we'll kiss, one day we'll
Speaker 1: get and then you kiss them and it's like it
Speaker 1: was kiss. I've never kissed Tom Cruise, right, Okay, I
Speaker 1: thought about it a lot, but in our years of
Speaker 1: knowing one another it converted into a much deeper friendship
Speaker 1: where I respect and admire how he operates so well.
Speaker 1: I think the world has as well, because I think
Speaker 1: he had he had an era where the world was
Speaker 1: and now again people are just like, this guy is incredible.
Speaker 1: He's just doing the incredible that in the end, there
Speaker 1: is only the work. I know, I'm not the first
Speaker 1: person the work, and at sixty I can absolutely tell
Speaker 1: you if you're headed anywhere, just work harder.
Speaker 3: It's just work hard.
Speaker 1: If you're headed in any direction, and that could be
Speaker 1: anything being a better my better wife, being a better
Speaker 1: you know, traffic cop. Whatever you're doing, Just work harder
Speaker 1: and be the best traffic cop. I'm just saying, I
Speaker 1: just thought I just saw the opening. Yeah, that's Italian traffic.
Speaker 1: What the hell is with that?
Speaker 3: That's so amazing.
Speaker 1: I justdn't thought that, Kate Sebrano, when you were trying
Speaker 1: to imagine normal jobs guys goes.
Speaker 3: A mum actor traffic cop. I thought that because.
Speaker 2: I instantly go to a Fellini film and I'm there
Speaker 2: with white gloves on a Manhattan noizzle, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, in the middle of Italy, no one ever.
Speaker 3: Knows where your mind is going. No, and why would
Speaker 3: I want to let them know that? It's for me
Speaker 3: to work.
Speaker 1: Out One more question about the coconut cake, which okay,
Speaker 1: so then all roads lead to the coconut cake. The
Speaker 1: coconut cake is symbolic of the deepest relationship being a
Speaker 1: friend to Tom.
Speaker 3: So Tom makes them and gives them. Oh he makes them,
Speaker 3: he has done, I believe him.
Speaker 1: Now gets some mommy special place like a Magnolia baker
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 1: Emblematic emblematic of his love for the person for whom
Speaker 1: he's sending him to.
Speaker 3: He wants to.
Speaker 1: Say, you are as delicious and as sweet and loved
Speaker 1: as this this cake I'm giving you, and with every spoon,
Speaker 1: I want you to think of me.
Speaker 3: And I do. And nutty is a coconut. Coconuts are
Speaker 3: not nutty. I just want you to and I'm telling
Speaker 3: you it's more.
Speaker 1: It's not nutty. It's probably too sweet. Oh American though, right,
Speaker 1: yeah for me. But the shaved coconut is everything, right now.
Speaker 1: I could eat gads of shaved coconut because my dad
Speaker 1: used to make coconut fridters for me.
Speaker 3: And I know you make pancakes for the kids, Yeah
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: I'm going to make these coconut macaron fridders, oh for
Speaker 1: you guys one one Christmas morning, filipeanut and food and
Speaker 1: you have to grate it with great fresh coconuts. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, great shredding coconut thing in and make sweet
Speaker 1: potato and something else from glutenous rice. You make little
Speaker 1: things like this, you're splintered and like macaroons and you
Speaker 1: fry them up and icing powder.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's enough now, that's the coconut cake. I'm so sorry, Christmas,
Speaker 1: it's yours.
Speaker 3: Kate Sebran.
Speaker 1: Who needs Tom Cruises coconut cake when you've got Kate
Speaker 1: Sobrano's coconut macron It's.
Speaker 3: True, right, but we don't have them yet.
Speaker 1: Well if I don't, if I don't make them for you,
Speaker 1: I'll definitely bring the cake over and you can have
Speaker 1: that for Christmas?
Speaker 3: Is that a better? I want to try that cake.
Speaker 3: It was one more thing I want to ask you.
Speaker 3: I can't I know what it is. Oh yeah, what
Speaker 3: do you want to do? What do you want to do?
Speaker 1: I would like to establish an artisanal community that's like
Speaker 1: Prata for myself in Australia, where I invite every person
Speaker 1: that I love and work with to sit so Embroider,
Speaker 1: get off their phones, sit around Nona's kitchen, have scads
Speaker 1: of spaghetti while I get to just chill out and
Speaker 1: make music for no one who's no one's listening, but
Speaker 1: we're just working. That is my dream, Like I want
Speaker 1: to find that place that's like an old village.
Speaker 3: I want that. Yes, I might have to move yearning
Speaker 3: for it. We think we know how to do it.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe we're parts of a whole, and that maybe
Speaker 1: when we get to a certain age we can talk
Speaker 1: about this because I can't kids wanted to. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a certain age thing. I think it's a
Speaker 1: certain age of technology thing, right.
Speaker 3: Don't you. I do too well.
Speaker 1: I know that the relief I get from getting off
Speaker 1: that stupid phone and stitching for a few hours. I
Speaker 1: have got workshops in mind where I want to do
Speaker 1: wellness of the mind and have people apply themselves with
Speaker 1: their hands to old fashioned artis and all things. And
Speaker 1: it could have Lewis cooking there, and it could have
Speaker 1: us sewing. It could have us because you paint and
Speaker 1: I don't paint.
Speaker 3: Sunday paints. I don't paint.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought that was your paintings painting. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: Sunday's painting. If she's very good, she's really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So even when we do this communal, what will I
Speaker 1: contribute is that where you're asking at.
Speaker 3: Okay that you host? Can you read the cocktails?
Speaker 1: I'll host the saunas, I'll make the car I also
Speaker 1: will cook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you are an cook. Well, that's what I
Speaker 3: heard once.
Speaker 1: Mutchaprato had her mother and every lunch, they'd all break
Speaker 1: and all of the workers that she was working with
Speaker 1: in their white cap come from the center table and eat.
Speaker 3: Right and then they have a CS. Now everyone everyone, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I want that. I want that too. I want that.
Speaker 3: I love you, Kates. You, the country loves you. You.
Speaker 3: You cannot be loved too much. I don't think you've
Speaker 3: got your due. I don't think you've got your due.
Speaker 3: And you've got a lot, You've already received a lot,
Speaker 3: but I believe that there should.
Speaker 1: Be more for you, because you are truly extraordinary, extraordinary.
Speaker 1: My love, well, I love you very very much. I
Speaker 1: love the family we've made than we're making. Maybe when
Speaker 1: I break up, we'll do another interview. And that, my friends,
Speaker 1: was Kate Sobrano. Our lives have overlapped through family and
Speaker 1: motherhood and our children becoming close in a way that
Speaker 1: I was intrigued to get to the bottom of. So
Speaker 1: as actually very lovely and revealing to finally trace back
Speaker 1: how all of those threads came together. And I think
Speaker 1: because of that history, we were able to have a
Speaker 1: different kind of conversation, one about creativity and marriage and
Speaker 1: motherhood and ambition and aging and what it means to
Speaker 1: keep choosing an artistic life over and over again. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for listening to No Filter. I'm Kate Lanebrook.
Speaker 1: I will see you next Monday.