Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
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Speaker 3: Like I know that your twenties are for being a
Speaker 3: hot mess, I did sort of assume that by your
Speaker 3: forties and fifties you don't feel like a hot mess anymore?
Speaker 2: Am I riter?
Speaker 1: Am I? No, you feel hot?
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia Out Loud and to
Speaker 2: our Friday show, where we lean into our toxic selfish sides,
Speaker 2: shut out the world, and practice self care. No news
Speaker 2: here today, friends, Today It's Friday, the fourteenth of February,
Speaker 2: which I think is an auspicious date of some kind.
Speaker 2: I'm here ring a bell, I'm here with my valentines.
Speaker 1: I am Holly Wayne right, I'm mea Friedman.
Speaker 3: And I'm Jesse Stevens. And can I ask you, guys
Speaker 3: something that's been playing on my mind. It's a very
Speaker 3: specific dilemma that I had. Okay, the other day I
Speaker 3: had a dentist appointment booked for after work, and I
Speaker 3: was speaking to my husband, who works here, and I thought,
Speaker 3: I got to go to the dentist stuff to work,
Speaker 3: and he said, did you bring your toothbrush, and I
Speaker 3: said no, and he said, you wouldn't go to the
Speaker 3: dentist without brushing your teeth first, because obviously I'd brushed
Speaker 3: my teeth ate hot.
Speaker 1: But had you eaten anything after that?
Speaker 2: Eat breakfast, luncheon, smack everything.
Speaker 3: And then my appointment was at say five point thirty.
Speaker 3: He was horrified that I was going to raw dog
Speaker 3: the dentist with unbrushed teeth.
Speaker 1: How's can the dentist even see anything?
Speaker 2: I have never brushed my teeth before. I've got to
Speaker 2: the d with you that what's supposed to happen? They
Speaker 2: clean your teeth, don't.
Speaker 1: They don't like is it respect?
Speaker 2: I wrensed my mouth with some I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 2: going in there with like coffee breather, big bits of
Speaker 2: green sticking.
Speaker 3: Out, Like is it like having a shower before perhaps me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What what?
Speaker 3: Holly HOLLI fanny after the gym, because you you might have.
Speaker 1: To rock up from the gym. But if I'm past
Speaker 1: straight into the stirrups.
Speaker 2: If my peraps appointment was like at eleven and I'd
Speaker 2: had my shower at seven, I'm not gonna have another
Speaker 2: one before I go.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, but you wouldn't book it for
Speaker 3: eight pm after ante.
Speaker 1: No, I think we have it. We like it. Had
Speaker 1: to have our paps mews in the morning because we're
Speaker 1: consider it. But also we brush our teeth before we
Speaker 1: go to the dentist, and we wear nice Sundays when
Speaker 1: we go for our paps mere and then we fold
Speaker 1: them and put them under our clothes.
Speaker 3: We wash our hair before the hair dress.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, they wash your hair. That's the poio.
Speaker 2: You have to make sure you do this.
Speaker 1: That's the king. Shake the knits out of your hair
Speaker 1: before you come to the hair dress.
Speaker 3: I want I want out loud a dentists to go.
Speaker 3: You know what, this is a great Can you please
Speaker 3: brush your teeth? Your dirty bitches?
Speaker 2: Order order or restored to the Mama Mere Out Loud
Speaker 2: Friday shows.
Speaker 1: Some things we're just understood.
Speaker 2: Okay. On the show today, Bridget Jones is back. But
Speaker 2: why do we struggle with hot mess women when bumbling
Speaker 2: and burning the spaghetti is no longer cute? Plus, Mia
Speaker 2: and Jesse have brilliant books to recommend, and I have
Speaker 2: a TV self soothing classic and best and words of
Speaker 2: the week, including red Carpets, Tantrums, and the Bunning Sausage Isle. No,
Speaker 2: those things didn't all happen at the same time. But first,
Speaker 2: Mia Friedman.
Speaker 1: What type of bread are you? In case you missed it,
Speaker 1: I know you're about to answer.
Speaker 3: I've thought about it a lot.
Speaker 1: In case you missed it, every star sign is a
Speaker 1: particular type of bread, and since bread is my favorite
Speaker 1: food group and I am the bread correspondent on this podcast,
Speaker 1: I'm here for it, or at least I was here
Speaker 1: for it until I found out which one I was.
Speaker 1: We came across a post by an account called Zodiac's Tea,
Speaker 1: which sounds totally legitimate, and it basically divides all star
Speaker 1: signs into breads. I'm going to start with mine, okay,
Speaker 1: And the problem is I can't pronounce it, and that's
Speaker 1: apparently one of its distinctive features. I'm a Libra and
Speaker 1: the bread I am is called Queen armand it all.
Speaker 1: It's a French pastry that sounds right and its qualities.
Speaker 1: One of its qualities are that it enjoys you not
Speaker 1: being able to pronounce its name, and it needs to
Speaker 1: outniche everyone. It's sweet, it's puffed up, it's layers.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it sounds right, it sounds right. It
Speaker 2: would be the founcy bread, you know, the poodle bread.
Speaker 3: You know that Holly and I are the same star sign.
Speaker 3: What would you get? I would go wonder white.
Speaker 1: We're the opposite of because your basic bitches. I would
Speaker 1: say that you are both wonder white, but not with
Speaker 1: extra fiber, just no straight, not particularly fixed, sliced, just
Speaker 1: almost on sale, almost no frills. Sagittarius, you are nut
Speaker 1: and seed bread. You are always on the go, adventurous
Speaker 1: maximalists at heart, into wellness culture, bold, nutty, and unpredictable.
Speaker 2: It knows I like Gwyneth bread knows I like Gwene.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like either of you.
Speaker 2: Into wellness culture follows Goop Instagram.
Speaker 1: Throw Throw a couple of other star signs at me,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what Taurus. Taurus is sourdough, which
Speaker 1: is actually my favorite. That's my favorite too, crisp, solid,
Speaker 1: high maintenance and has a rustic charm.
Speaker 3: I have a few leos in my family. Garlic bread, yes, oh,
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: They can't help the popular, can't help it. They're popular,
Speaker 1: indulgent loves herbs, stands out at parties or large gatherings.
Speaker 2: Many of my important people are Geminis, Maya and he Geminis.
Speaker 1: That Gemini is lemon blueberry bread, which frankly sounds like cake.
Speaker 2: Everybody's got exciting bread except for me and you. We've
Speaker 2: got the bread that everybody hates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good for your bad yea that you have.
Speaker 2: To eat it when the doctor's told you to.
Speaker 1: Geminis and lemon blueberry bread bright stimulating. With them, you
Speaker 1: get the best of both worlds. They're never dull and
Speaker 1: especial shout out to poor scorpios who are pumpin nicole,
Speaker 1: sweet but also dark, hard to digest and an acquiet taste,
Speaker 1: but also nostalgic.
Speaker 3: Is this what happens when the news cycle is like this?
Speaker 3: What spread?
Speaker 2: Am I?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because that seems like I can digest that.
Speaker 3: For everyone else, we are going to put your bread
Speaker 3: up on the mummy out loud Instagram and let us know,
Speaker 3: let us know if it is correct for you.
Speaker 2: So, so.
Speaker 1: You stay at your parents for New Year?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no no no, it's in London at a party
Speaker 2: last night.
Speaker 1: So I'm afraid I'm a bit hungover. Or she could
Speaker 1: be lying with my head and a toilet that I
Speaker 1: call normal people.
Speaker 2: There are some female fictional characters who are just part
Speaker 2: of the culture at this point, and one of them
Speaker 2: is Bridget Jones, who is back this week in the
Speaker 2: fourth film. It's called Mad About the Boy. We kind
Speaker 2: of talked about it when the trailer came out. She's widowed,
Speaker 2: she's got two primary school edged kids.
Speaker 1: Mister Darcy died, and that's not a spoiler because it's
Speaker 1: even in the trailer. It is.
Speaker 2: It's in the trailer, and it happens very early on, well,
Speaker 2: the acknowledgment of it does. It's actually quite sad anyway,
Speaker 2: and then maybe predictably for twenty twenty five, she has
Speaker 2: a fling with a younger guy who's that hot one
Speaker 2: from White Lotus, and then other things happen. We won't
Speaker 2: spoil it for you anyway. Bridget Jones traitor, as anti feminist, hopeless, romantic, bumbling, bombshell.
Speaker 2: All these tags are fair calls for the character the
Speaker 2: British journalist Helen Fielding created in the nineties. Now at
Speaker 2: the time, and I remember this very clearly. I read
Speaker 2: all the books before, well, I read the books that
Speaker 2: were out before the movie, and I loved them at
Speaker 2: the time, she was groundbreaking, which is really hard to believe.
Speaker 2: She was a voice for single women that hadn't really
Speaker 2: been heard before. I mean, single women have a very
Speaker 2: particular type, like slightly posh, middle class white works in
Speaker 2: pr in London, Like it's a very particular vibe.
Speaker 1: But all the same, she was a hot mess. She
Speaker 1: was very much a hot That's what was refreshing because
Speaker 1: I think female characters predominantly, particularly in rom comms, had
Speaker 1: all been very perfect, kind of like Julia Roberts style.
Speaker 3: She'd been contrasted to the Sally in When Harry Home
Speaker 3: in terms of being very neat and ordered, and like
Speaker 3: we've talked on the show before about the difference between
Speaker 3: a poodle and a wolf. There's kind of these categories
Speaker 3: of women where a poodle is a woman who appears
Speaker 3: to have it all together.
Speaker 1: Maya, I'm a poodle, You're actually a poodle, ya.
Speaker 3: It's like interested in clothes and maybe you're better at
Speaker 3: being a woman. And then there's the wolf, which is
Speaker 3: Holly and I which is sometimes we've only got one
Speaker 3: earring on, got stains on our clothes, our hair always
Speaker 3: needs a brush, that kind of thing, and most of
Speaker 3: what was in rom comms was the poodle, and I
Speaker 3: think Bridget came along was like.
Speaker 2: And women loved her because she was honest. She worried
Speaker 2: about the size of her ass, she worried about how
Speaker 2: much she was drinking and smoking. She was attracted to
Speaker 2: the wrong men. She always felt like she was out
Speaker 2: of step with the poodles, Jesse, the neat, picture perfect
Speaker 2: couple and families all around her.
Speaker 1: And she was also portrayed as being overweight when you
Speaker 1: look back at it and realize where a lot of
Speaker 1: our body dysmorphia came from as gen x because.
Speaker 2: She ten in slight defense in the book, that was
Speaker 2: really refreshing because it was just real, you know now,
Speaker 2: And you'll notice in the new movies, and particularly this
Speaker 2: new one, there is absolutely no mention of weight, as
Speaker 2: there shouldn't be. But in a way, we've just airbrushed
Speaker 2: that conversation out because it is a conversation women have
Speaker 2: all the time anyway. It was an era of exploring
Speaker 2: chaotic women. Carrie Bradshaw was the much edgier American version
Speaker 2: of Bridget, and then came a slew of hot mess
Speaker 2: women who evolved over time from Bridget to girls Hannah
Speaker 2: Horvart and girls to Fleabag to its array and insecure.
Speaker 2: But now the oldest of the hot Messes, Bridget, the
Speaker 2: grandma of the group, is in the new movie fifty one,
Speaker 2: and we're a bit less comfortable, as seen by the
Speaker 2: mighty Carrie Bradshaw backlash of the en, like that era
Speaker 2: with properly grown up women not having their shit together,
Speaker 2: even though many of us actually don't maya what happens
Speaker 2: when the hot Messes grow up.
Speaker 1: I've had to really check myself on this because when
Speaker 1: I saw the film, and it was so lovely to
Speaker 1: spend time with those characters Hugh Grant in particular, You're right,
Speaker 1: it was emotional to see that glimpse of mister Darcy
Speaker 1: and see Bridget again, and it was lovely, like spending
Speaker 1: time with old friends. But there was something that grated
Speaker 1: on me about her incompetence, about that almost performative incompetence,
Speaker 1: Like part of me was like, well, this just doesn't
Speaker 1: ring true, Like she's a mother, why can't she cook spaghetti?
Speaker 1: Like it's not cute anymore, she's caught up a tree whoops.
Speaker 1: It felt a bit confronting, and then I had to think, well,
Speaker 1: the women. I know, all we do, as Jesse tells us,
Speaker 1: is talk about how we're forgetful and how we're perry,
Speaker 1: and how we're hormonal and hot flushes and all of
Speaker 1: those things, and we're owning. You know, we don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck if people don't think we've got our shit together,
Speaker 1: and we're sick of trying to pretend to be perfect.
Speaker 1: I'm really conflicted about it. I don't know. I found
Speaker 1: it confronting, though.
Speaker 3: Do you think that it's because for thirty years we've
Speaker 3: had this Bridget Jones character, but in a culture that
Speaker 3: is so drowning in the Internet, it doesn't look subversive
Speaker 3: anymore because the idea of like a young woman being
Speaker 3: a diarist, letting us into her life and sharing her
Speaker 3: day to day worries like welcome to TikTok every woman
Speaker 3: is now Bridget Jones, and now there's real currency in
Speaker 3: performing your hot messness, and it's become a trope both
Speaker 3: in literature and TV, but it's also all over all
Speaker 3: the content that we consume. I get uncomfortable when I
Speaker 3: see what I think is like people playing up the
Speaker 3: hot mess thing. I see this with like families all
Speaker 3: the time, there's certain influences and you stumble across their
Speaker 3: videos and it's like the camera's falling over and they're
Speaker 3: a mess, and there's vomit on their clothes, and you know,
Speaker 3: that is what it looks like. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: I find something maybe slightly irritating about it, because I
Speaker 3: feel like maybe they're profiting off it, or maybe that's
Speaker 3: an image or a brand that they're cultivating. Does that
Speaker 3: make sense?
Speaker 2: It does. But to your point about how it's not
Speaker 2: subversive anymore when you think about it, that's so great
Speaker 2: because it shouldn't be. Bridget Jones, the books are thirty
Speaker 2: years old, and if nothing had changed for women in
Speaker 2: thirty years, we would be, you know, not very happy
Speaker 2: about that. So I think it's fantastic that what was
Speaker 2: once groundbreaking is now it should feel passe and it
Speaker 2: should feel weird. But when she's now put in a
Speaker 2: modern setting, should we expect her to have exhorted her
Speaker 2: and when I talk about her as if she's a
Speaker 2: real person, but that character to have absorbed all these
Speaker 2: cultural changes around her and now not be all those
Speaker 2: things because it's not cool or because it's not interesting.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, the character wouldn't have changed, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't changed that much in thirty years.
Speaker 3: I look at it and go and I see a
Speaker 3: lot of criticisms of this, and I find them a
Speaker 3: little bit frustrating because I'm like, try and write a
Speaker 3: female character in a novel, and you kind of need
Speaker 3: her to be this, like you need her to be undone,
Speaker 3: especially now, I suppose.
Speaker 1: Because that's her relatability.
Speaker 3: It's her relatability, but it's also how things go wrong,
Speaker 3: Like you can't have a woman who's functioning. A functioning
Speaker 3: woman a novel does not make.
Speaker 2: But to be honest, you can't have a functioning anybody.
Speaker 2: Because one of the things that's interesting about this is
Speaker 2: that we're a bit irritated by Bridget's hot messness because
Speaker 2: we're like, come on, dal you should have figured out
Speaker 2: by now how to boil spaghetti. But then Hugh Grant
Speaker 2: walks in. He hasn't changed either, and no probably would
Speaker 2: he have done. He's still like, oh, you naughty little
Speaker 2: minx and all that kind of stuff, and we're all like, swoon,
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: So I think that there's a dichotomy between the two
Speaker 1: ways that women can be portrayed is either completely perfect
Speaker 1: or a complete disaster. And we see it with influences,
Speaker 1: we see it with characters in movies and TV shows,
Speaker 1: and I sort of feel like I don't want to
Speaker 1: buy either of those. I don't want to be just
Speaker 1: a hot mess and I don't want to have to
Speaker 1: be perfect. Where's the room for the middle?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like this trope. I remember a
Speaker 3: few years ago watching a show and just going if
Speaker 3: I see another woman tripover, I'm aa lose it.
Speaker 2: Because women Jennifer Lawrence was the coolest girl in the world,
Speaker 2: and she fell over every time she was in public. Yes, Now,
Speaker 2: was that a deliberate strategy because that played into this trope, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't belong here, I'm a bit of
Speaker 2: an interloper. I'm not poised or is that just what
Speaker 2: a lot of us are like? We are self conscious,
Speaker 2: not very poised, not very.
Speaker 3: Perfect, which is interesting to see, I suppose. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, it's like, if you keep falling over,
Speaker 3: I think you have an inner air affection and you
Speaker 3: need to get that.
Speaker 1: So don't you think that to not be attacked, women
Speaker 1: have to lead with their vulnerability. Like we talk about
Speaker 1: the number of podcasts hosted by women talking about their failures,
Speaker 1: and the number of books talking about their failures and
Speaker 1: their fuck ups, which is a sort of a trope
Speaker 1: that men don't have. Men are very able to talk
Speaker 1: about their successes and encouraged to talk about their successes,
Speaker 1: and men are very reluctant to talk about their failures,
Speaker 1: whereas women almost lead with that so as not to
Speaker 1: be disliked by other women, to be more likable.
Speaker 2: And there's it expressing a basic truth that we all,
Speaker 2: even the most poised and organized amongst us women, we
Speaker 2: never feel like we're living up to the ideal. So
Speaker 2: we always feel a bit grossed out by ourselves. And
Speaker 2: I might have a period stayed on the back of
Speaker 2: my skirt, I might smell, I might whatever. Like the
Speaker 2: insecurities about our femaleness are always there and kind except.
Speaker 1: When we're going to the dentist and we don't think
Speaker 1: about brushing our teeth.
Speaker 3: I kind of assumed, like, I know that your twenties
Speaker 3: are for being a hot mess. We've got scope, and
Speaker 3: there is something kind of cute about it. I did
Speaker 3: sort of assume that by your forties and fifties, you
Speaker 3: don't feel like a hot mess anymore?
Speaker 2: Am I right?
Speaker 1: Or am iment you feel hot?
Speaker 2: I feel like a hot mess? Who is better at
Speaker 2: knowing which bits of that matter? On which bits of it?
Speaker 2: Don't you know what I mean? Like, I think that
Speaker 2: if you can't boil spaghetti and you've got a family
Speaker 2: to feed, like, that's probably like something you should sort out.
Speaker 2: If you keep falling over the ear infection, probably something
Speaker 2: you should sort out. Most of us have to have
Speaker 2: our shit together to the point where we're paying our
Speaker 2: bills and turning up to work and doing all those things.
Speaker 2: But if you're a chaotic person, you don't suddenly change
Speaker 2: when you when you become a grown up. In inverted common.
Speaker 1: Diagnos follows has that completely.
Speaker 3: That's a sub episode theory. You're allowed to be a
Speaker 3: hot mess until you have kids. So I think that
Speaker 3: what we don't like is watching a woman still be chaotic,
Speaker 3: have her actions impact other people, sort of be driven
Speaker 3: by the whims of whatever she feels like.
Speaker 1: It feels irresponsible, It.
Speaker 3: Feels irresponsible, and it feels like, well, you're now in
Speaker 3: charge of the development of another person, and mothers are
Speaker 3: not allowed to be a hot.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, And it's interesting because what you talked
Speaker 2: about before about the influencers who and you know me,
Speaker 2: you were one of these people in the groundbreaking early
Speaker 2: days of Mama Mia of going like, it looks like
Speaker 2: my life looks like this, but actually sometimes are meeting
Speaker 2: musically in the shower or whatever it was that you're doing.
Speaker 2: But like the people who are doing that now, yes
Speaker 2: it's relatable, but they also get a lot of criticism.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who are like, I
Speaker 2: feel sorry for those poor kids. Look at the state
Speaker 2: of that house. Is that what you're feeding them for dinner?
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I.
Speaker 3: Must say, sometimes I see it and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: live in a house.
Speaker 1: It's a mess.
Speaker 3: Like I don't need to see your messy house too.
Speaker 3: I actually find it's not good for my nervousness.
Speaker 1: Do you know? What I think is very hard from
Speaker 1: a TV or a character point of view is growing
Speaker 1: up characters in fiction. So we saw Within just like
Speaker 1: that where those characters, just like Bridget Joones, went from
Speaker 1: their thirties to their fifties, and we wanted the characters
Speaker 1: to evolve, but we also wanted them to stay the same. So,
Speaker 1: for example, Miranda, who was so capable in the og
Speaker 1: sex and the city and then and just like that,
Speaker 1: she was like this bumbling fool who didn't seem to
Speaker 1: know what words to use and didn't know what a
Speaker 1: podcast was and didn't understand racism. And people didn't like that, yeah,
Speaker 1: and really didn't like that.
Speaker 3: With the genre. I suppose it's like what we want
Speaker 3: from our literature or our movies is that you have
Speaker 3: kind of this arc where then they kiss and it's
Speaker 3: all perfect. Like our movies are kind of like we
Speaker 3: have a conclusion and things are solved. But with Bridget
Speaker 3: and with Carrie, another obstacle comes, which is actually how
Speaker 3: life is, like.
Speaker 1: Carriage didn't change, and we didn't like that either. So
Speaker 1: carry we were like, oh, it's not that cute talking
Speaker 1: about shoes when you're in your fifties, and I think
Speaker 1: being so ditzy.
Speaker 2: Yes, But it's interesting because in real life, we know
Speaker 2: a million women who blow up their lives when they're fifty,
Speaker 2: you know, who decide to leave a marriage, change their career,
Speaker 2: who are confused about the way the world is now
Speaker 2: and what words to use and all those things. So
Speaker 2: I think that we're comfortable with women's stories ending with
Speaker 2: the ring on the finger, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like that's that then, you know, including Bridget Jones in
Speaker 2: lots of ways. But women's stories just keep going and
Speaker 2: going and going, and it's interesting how we just kind
Speaker 2: of we want to look away from the chaos when
Speaker 2: it's not pretty anymore.
Speaker 3: I have a question is there such thing as a
Speaker 3: man hot mess? Because I keep trying to conjure an
Speaker 3: image in my mind and I can't think of what
Speaker 3: a male mess would look.
Speaker 2: You know, there was that time in the nineties and
Speaker 2: noughties where we loved a schlubby guy, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. All the rom com leads tended to be.
Speaker 1: He's always very relaxed, like watching video games and like
Speaker 1: playing video games and eating shit and not getting it together.
Speaker 2: And they were always intimidated by the muscle bros. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: but that was a trope in itself, and then they
Speaker 2: always managed to somehow get the Taipei beautiful model girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, true, true, I guess I just didn't feel like
Speaker 3: they were comparing themselves to some ideal of masculinity and
Speaker 3: always letting themselves down in the way that we do
Speaker 3: with women.
Speaker 1: It was one of the challenges that we had, and
Speaker 1: you were in those writing rooms for Strife with the
Speaker 1: character of Evelyn, because we wanted to show those two things.
Speaker 1: We wanted to show her being incredibly capable but also
Speaker 1: being a hot mess, and we wanted to flip it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes she was a hot mess at work, sometimes she
Speaker 1: was a hot mess at home. Sometimes she was really
Speaker 1: capable at home, sometimes she was capable. Because I do
Speaker 1: think that that's true, and it does. I guess in
Speaker 1: fiction and TV and movies it can be hard and
Speaker 1: you need shortcuts. But I agree. I hate that trope
Speaker 1: of used to watch a show called The Newsroom Arin Sorcan,
Speaker 1: and I had to stop because the female lead in
Speaker 1: that she literally would walk from one side of the
Speaker 1: news room to the other and she'd fall over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was like, that was this shortcut for her
Speaker 1: being i don't know, relatable, or having vulnerabilities or being human.
Speaker 2: There's a really excellent discussion in the latest season of
Speaker 2: The Diplomat. You know, the whole character shortcut for Carrie
Speaker 2: russell character in that is that she doesn't brush her
Speaker 2: hair and she doesn't care about clothes, so she always
Speaker 2: looks kind of amazing, but she's always wearing a very
Speaker 2: boring suit. She has messy hair.
Speaker 3: And her eyeline is a bit smud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in this particular scene, her pant button had broken,
Speaker 2: so she had a safety pin. And then she meets
Speaker 2: the Vice President of the US who's played by Alison
Speaker 2: Janny and basically Alison Janny tells her this is not
Speaker 2: cute anymore, Like you think this is cute, but she said,
Speaker 2: if you can't figure out a way to do up
Speaker 2: your pants, how people supposed to trust you with the
Speaker 2: nuclear codes? And you're like.
Speaker 1: Yes out loud. As after the break, we have got
Speaker 1: recommendations for your weekend and they're great.
Speaker 2: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation. It's Friday, so we want
Speaker 1: to help set up your weekend with our best recommendations. Jesse,
Speaker 1: you go first.
Speaker 3: You've got a book I do.
Speaker 1: I've heard about this, but I haven't read it.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: A blue banger that everyone needs to read? I'd had
Speaker 3: it recommended in eleven different places. Finally started reading. It
Speaker 3: is called The Wedding People. It's by Alison S. Pack
Speaker 3: and what I love about it is that it is
Speaker 3: really pacy, so you'll be totally in it, but it
Speaker 3: also makes you feel smarter, like how does it start?
Speaker 1: Because I think I started and then stopped.
Speaker 3: Okay, So it starts with a woman named Phoebe who
Speaker 3: turns up at a hotel for a night, right, And
Speaker 3: she's all dressed up in this fancy dress, and you
Speaker 3: kind of don't know why she turns up at this hotel.
Speaker 3: She's clearly got some kind of plan. And it turns
Speaker 3: out that hotel has been booked out for a wedding
Speaker 3: and everyone else staying there is a wedding guest for
Speaker 3: this amazing wedding in Newport, right, And so what unfolds
Speaker 3: is this unlikely relationship between her and the bride, and
Speaker 3: also her watching the dynamics of a family, like the
Speaker 3: really weird conversations that happened between a bride and her
Speaker 3: sister in law or the relationship with the mother, and
Speaker 3: it kind of goes back into how she ended up there.
Speaker 3: She's had this marriage fall apart. It's really really great.
Speaker 3: It's great, it's great, And that's the strongest thing I
Speaker 3: think is, you know, in family dynamics, it's what's not
Speaker 3: said that's so interesting. The way that she writes the
Speaker 3: dialogue and you can feel the tension, but it's so subtle.
Speaker 1: It's very clever setting books. I read another book that
Speaker 1: was set at a wedding called The Unwedding, which I
Speaker 1: didn't love, so I'll have to give this a go.
Speaker 1: It's clever because weddings are like the distillation of so
Speaker 1: many interesting family dynamics, and they're drama.
Speaker 2: They're always drama.
Speaker 3: It's a New York Times bestseller. It was one of
Speaker 3: the biggest books of last year. You have to read it.
Speaker 2: Who I promise I have read some books lately, but
Speaker 2: I am going to instead recommend a very sole, nourishing
Speaker 2: TV show to the five people who are not yet
Speaker 2: watching this one. We know we've been talking a lot
Speaker 2: lately about how we're getting through a very negative news cycle,
Speaker 2: how we're self regulating. A founder new trick, and it
Speaker 2: is Mustard Dogs on the ABC. These dogs put themselves
Speaker 2: on the line to do a job for us every day.
Speaker 1: These are working dogs and they're very smart.
Speaker 2: So the first time we'll be comparing collies to kelpies,
Speaker 2: I felt this is going to be a stitch uppy.
Speaker 1: I've got a special delivery for you. Oh you know, Minn.
Speaker 2: I hope that you get to love him.
Speaker 3: As much as I do.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, he's divine.
Speaker 2: I think she's just done away on your shirts.
Speaker 3: What's that show actually about?
Speaker 2: So it's been going for a while, it's not a
Speaker 2: new show. Season three has just dropped, right, which is
Speaker 2: why it's back in the zeitgeist. But it is literally
Speaker 2: a very well made documentary slash reality show about little
Speaker 2: mustard dog puppies growing up and learning how to hurt
Speaker 2: sheep and cows.
Speaker 1: It's mads but for dogs.
Speaker 2: So what they do is it cast? Well? Oh so well?
Speaker 2: So what they do as back, I've learned a lot.
Speaker 2: Right in the first one, you know this kelpie and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, you know how kelpies? They look like kelpies.
Speaker 2: This kelpie has a little of puppies that can sell
Speaker 2: for thirty five thousand dollars each, right, because they've got
Speaker 2: this lineage of incredible herding capabilities. Like, yeah, if I
Speaker 2: take Tuna, who is a pound mutt, and I try
Speaker 2: and teach her to muster cattle, probably not going to work.
Speaker 2: But you take one of these guys who have got
Speaker 2: it coming down their bloodline, and the first thing they
Speaker 2: do when they see your cowra, sheep whatever, they're like,
Speaker 2: I like that. I one heard it right. Anyway, what
Speaker 2: they do is they've got five puppies, five farmers people
Speaker 2: from different parts of the country. So there's someone in
Speaker 2: the Far Northern Territory, there's somebody down in Tazzi, there's
Speaker 2: someone in Victoria. Whatever. They all take a puppy and
Speaker 2: then they train them and they have to do tests
Speaker 2: throughout the year of what the puppies can do. And
Speaker 2: it's a competition. You'd like that be as a leaderboard
Speaker 2: mia and at the end one of them wins.
Speaker 3: Right, it's a little bit like married at first.
Speaker 2: It's a lot like that.
Speaker 3: I should write recaps on the site.
Speaker 2: But you know, the thing is is this show's been
Speaker 2: around for it since twenty twenty two and I'd never
Speaker 2: really watched it. But then, as I say, I've been
Speaker 2: on a hunt for self soothing TV and for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: I turned it on it. They're all on iView and
Speaker 2: the first one I just immediately was like yes please,
Speaker 2: and I watched all of it. Then I've started watching
Speaker 2: the seconde. The first one's all about Kelpie's the second
Speaker 2: one is all about border Collies and the third season
Speaker 2: that's just dropped is Kelpies versus Border College.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Holly, oh my goodness, how can you
Speaker 3: stand it?
Speaker 2: Lisa Milaner rates, there's aware are they now? It's very
Speaker 2: satisfying shrint.
Speaker 1: In the book. It's brilliant because it's like really interesting
Speaker 1: but low steaks, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: The people. You know, if you're a city person and
Speaker 2: I'm sort of country adjacent now, but like it's a
Speaker 2: world you don't know about, right, and I'm always interested
Speaker 2: in that. So these people are really great talent, like
Speaker 2: the people who they get the farmers. There are women,
Speaker 2: and there are people from different backgrounds, old people, young people, whatever,
Speaker 2: and they're really good at what they do. Very capable people,
Speaker 2: not hot messes. They're living in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 2: and they have to deal with all kinds of things.
Speaker 2: And then there's just the Kip populus of it.
Speaker 3: And anyway that's a dog would like her.
Speaker 1: It just won Best Australian Reality Show at the Actor
Speaker 1: Awards last week. All the Muster Dog people were very
Speaker 1: excited got up from stage. Dog's there I was sad, Oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's fulshit. I have got a recommendation that relates to
Speaker 1: my hyper fixation at the moment about Carol and Bessett Kennedy.
Speaker 1: It's not a new hyper fixation. She was the wife
Speaker 1: of JFK Jr. He was one of the good Kennedy's.
Speaker 1: He was a first cousin to RFK Jr. Who is
Speaker 1: now the Health Secretary of the US. But I won't
Speaker 1: talk about that because it's a news free zone. Anyway,
Speaker 1: JFK married this woman who was a director of publicity
Speaker 1: at Calvin Klein and they married in I think around
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. She was a normy. The stories were
Speaker 1: very similar in the media treatment of her as to
Speaker 1: what happened to Meghan as to what happened to Diana
Speaker 1: in terms of these were women who had not been
Speaker 1: in the public eye. Meghan had a little bit, but
Speaker 1: who married into very famous and well loved men. She
Speaker 1: died tragically alongside JFK Jr. And her sister when he
Speaker 1: was flying them to a Kennedy wedding in Hanna's Port,
Speaker 1: and he was not really equipped to be flying on
Speaker 1: that night and he shouldn't have been flying. It was
Speaker 1: pilot error and the plane went down. That was in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. And the reason that she's so famous
Speaker 1: is that she's become this absolute style like on for
Speaker 1: generations of women who weren't even born when she was alive,
Speaker 1: but because there's been this resurgence of interest in nineties style,
Speaker 1: that nineties minimalist style she embodied that she was.
Speaker 2: Like as a fashion person. She worked for Calvin Klein,
Speaker 2: didn't she.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she never never gave it in to you,
Speaker 1: never really spoke, And so every photo of her that
Speaker 1: you would look at now would look contemporary. Her clothes,
Speaker 1: to hair, her makeup, it doesn't look like something from
Speaker 1: the nineties. It's just lasted the test of time. Her
Speaker 1: wedding photo, her wedding she changed the whole wedding industry
Speaker 1: because she like a slip dress, silk slip dress, which
Speaker 1: was very in fashion at the time it was the nineties,
Speaker 1: but no one had ever worn it as a wedding dress.
Speaker 3: I went to the JFK Museum when I was in
Speaker 3: the US. They have a lot of her clothes there,
Speaker 3: do they? You should go have a looks.
Speaker 1: Yes. So anyway, there's this book it's called Once Upon
Speaker 1: a Time, The Captivating Life of Carolyn Bessett Kennedy, And
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is that I've got it on my kindle,
Speaker 1: but I'm also if you're a Premium Spotify member, you
Speaker 1: get a lot of audiobooks for free. I'm also listening
Speaker 1: to it, so sometimes I'm listening to it, sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: reading it, and I've also got a coffee table book
Speaker 1: about her outfits, which I'm flicking through while i'm listening.
Speaker 2: My question is, because my sense of her is fashion icon, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: does it actually tell you who she was? Because no
Speaker 2: one ever talks about who she was, what she was like,
Speaker 2: what she was interested in, what her interior life was.
Speaker 2: Was she this? They just talked about what she looked.
Speaker 1: Like exactly, and that's what this is. I think there's
Speaker 1: more interest in her now as a person, and there's
Speaker 1: not a huge amount to go on because she was private,
Speaker 1: was private, deeply private, and this really fleshed her out.
Speaker 1: Part of her problem is she just wanted a quiet,
Speaker 1: private life and this public glare. She was very much
Speaker 1: a people person. It drove her into being a recluse
Speaker 1: like Diana, like similar treatment to what we saw of
Speaker 1: Meghan as well. So yeah, I'm really loving that book.
Speaker 3: After the break, a tantrum, a pantry disaster, and a
Speaker 3: fashion crisis. It is our best and Worst of the
Speaker 3: week one unlimited out loud access. We drop episodes every
Speaker 3: Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Mama Maya subscribers. Follow the
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Speaker 3: to all our current subscribers. It's time for Best and Worst.
Speaker 3: This is a part of the show where we share
Speaker 3: a little bit from our personal lives. Holly, what was
Speaker 3: your worst?
Speaker 2: This might seem like little thing, but it's not a
Speaker 2: little thing, because it's like two million little things that
Speaker 2: are ruining my life. We have an infestation of pantry mots.
Speaker 2: We don't have a pantry. The mots are living in
Speaker 2: the cupboards. They are cupboard mots, right, I started with
Speaker 2: one or two. They're like, well, I think that's where
Speaker 2: they come from.
Speaker 1: Wells, little brown moths?
Speaker 2: Right, one or two? No, biggie, right, you go. That's annoying.
Speaker 2: Suddenly you open the cupboard and like the locusts are
Speaker 2: coming out, They're dropping in the food, They're everywhere else.
Speaker 2: So we have tried everything. Of course, I googled. I'm
Speaker 2: not an idiot. I googled so empty out the cupboards,
Speaker 2: throw out all the food that looks like maybe the
Speaker 2: mots have got into it. Wipe down with vinegar, set
Speaker 2: some traps, go to Bunnings, buy some traps, set some traps.
Speaker 2: But did all that?
Speaker 1: What are the traps just sticky?
Speaker 2: They're like little sticky things. And I was like, job done.
Speaker 2: Those mophos are gone. Get up the next day, go
Speaker 2: into the kitchen. They're back. They're dropping from everything. I
Speaker 2: was throwing to Billy on the phone last night. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: there's some mots in my milk. Like he's just trying.
Speaker 2: There's just gods everywhere. They are driving us crazy. It's
Speaker 2: so funny because Brent has got very involved and like
Speaker 2: it's almost taking it personally at war. He's like, we
Speaker 2: have to go up.
Speaker 1: In the roof.
Speaker 2: We have to put down purst bonds we have. It's
Speaker 2: like we're going to the whole house in vinegar. Like
Speaker 2: this is just what's going to happen. Nothing is working out. Louders.
Speaker 2: If you know things, I know, you know things. Tell me.
Speaker 3: Luca waged war on the slugs in our courtyard, and
Speaker 3: that was I was getting updates a lot of us
Speaker 3: six seven times a day, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't give a shit about slugs.
Speaker 2: The moth's really annoying.
Speaker 1: We've got cockroaches.
Speaker 2: If that's also bad, isn't it? Yeah, Billy, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: he freaks out. It's really unfortunate because you know, you
Speaker 2: see one and you're like better, just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, freaks out.
Speaker 2: My best. I have to actually thank all the out
Speaker 2: louders for their support when I shared my book cover
Speaker 2: and my pre order the other day on Friday, my
Speaker 2: new novel is available for pre order, and lots about
Speaker 2: louders supported that, and I'm so appreciative, and don't worry,
Speaker 2: you'll be hearing lots about that in the weeks to come.
Speaker 2: But my actual best is that on Sunday we went
Speaker 2: into the Bunning Sausage Sizzle for the school for my
Speaker 2: kid's school, you know, a fundraiser, Yeah, and you were.
Speaker 2: I was sizzling, well, actually know, I was saucing, which
Speaker 2: is the perfect job, right, So Brent was sizzling, someone
Speaker 2: else was taking the money, and I was serving up
Speaker 2: the sausages. Onions, no onions, brown sauce, red sauce, yellow sauce.
Speaker 2: What are your choys. I had the best morning, like
Speaker 2: I just did. I just got talking to heaps of
Speaker 2: interesting people. I heard lots of good stories from people.
Speaker 2: I ate quite a few sausages.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sad when they get no one is sad.
Speaker 2: And it's really interesting because I'm nosy obviously people person,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what time of day is it acceptable to
Speaker 2: have a sausage when you come out of Bunnings? And
Speaker 2: we were there from like nine till twelve or whatever. Anytime,
Speaker 2: any time of day is acceptable for a sausage or
Speaker 2: four Actually, as it turns out, really enjoyed. It raised
Speaker 2: lots of money for the school. Yeah. Then I got
Speaker 2: to go upstairs and buy loads of things to the garden.
Speaker 2: Perfect Sunday activity.
Speaker 3: Maya. What was your worst?
Speaker 1: My word? So I want to start with my best
Speaker 1: because it's related. My best was actually going to the actors.
Speaker 1: They've got a long name, but basically they're the cinema
Speaker 1: and the TV and the Arts Awards for the arts
Speaker 1: in Australia. It's fine and there's some letters. It's aactas
Speaker 1: Strife was nominated for Best Comedy and Ash was nominated
Speaker 1: for Lead Actress in a comedy and also a drama
Speaker 1: for Fake and it was just lovely. It was up
Speaker 1: on the Gold Coast.
Speaker 3: You saw lots of famous people.
Speaker 1: It was so interesting. So we were staying at this
Speaker 1: hotel called the Langham and not only were there all
Speaker 1: the famous people who were up there for the awards
Speaker 1: and it was hosted by Russell Crowe and it was
Speaker 1: just all these people, but all the big Hollywood stars
Speaker 1: who shoot movies on the Gold Coast like live there,
Speaker 1: so they like get put up by the studios for
Speaker 1: like five months in this hotel. So like you'd be
Speaker 1: down in the lobby and Jack Black would just be
Speaker 1: getting at Zooberriots, or like Paul Rudd would walk past
Speaker 1: and they're filming Anaconda there. So there were I had.
Speaker 1: I had breakfast with this. I'm bumped into someone over breakfast.
Speaker 1: I was with Bruno. She's like, oh, this is Nina,
Speaker 1: my friend. She's just arrived from LA I'm like, oh, hi,
Speaker 1: thought she was a production assistant or something. We were
Speaker 1: just chatting having breakfast, and then I went up and
Speaker 1: looked up her in my Nina Dobrev.
Speaker 2: She's got dress, going to look her out.
Speaker 1: Vampire Dara's twenty seven million followers, and I just was like,
Speaker 1: it's Nina from Breakfast. But it was just so lovely,
Speaker 1: and I had some really lovely conversations with really interesting women,
Speaker 1: particularly women in my own age, Imagen Banks, who was
Speaker 1: an amazing producer, Jane Kennedy, who was there because Working
Speaker 1: Dog got a whole lot of awards Auster of course.
Speaker 1: And I just had a lovely, lovely time and it
Speaker 1: was fun. My worst two worst.
Speaker 2: The first is.
Speaker 1: That someone from the Actors accidentally posted the night before
Speaker 1: the Tiles congratulating the winners on their Instagram account for
Speaker 1: three categories, including ours. Right, so you knew, we knew
Speaker 1: that we'd lost the night before, did.
Speaker 2: You were you attempted to like just turn around and
Speaker 2: come home. Well, that's too much investment.
Speaker 1: Of the Strife people who hadn't gone on the plane yet,
Speaker 1: and so we were going to go, you know what.
Speaker 1: But it ended up being fun and fine anyway, and
Speaker 1: I did feel sorry for whoever that poor person was.
Speaker 1: We lost to fisk. We actually thought we were going
Speaker 1: to lose to callin from accounts, but we lost a fisk,
Speaker 1: which is a terrific Thanks for your support.
Speaker 2: I love Strife. Too.
Speaker 1: Robbie Williams performed. Robbie Williams walked past Robbie Williams and
Speaker 1: Russell Krust. He sang angels. It was beautiful. He's so cool.
Speaker 1: His film Better Man, where he's played by Chimp, it
Speaker 1: won something. And he got up and he did a
Speaker 1: speech after the director and he pulled out this big
Speaker 1: piece of paper and he goes, I'd like to thank drugs, alcohol, addiction, ADHD,
Speaker 1: body dysmorphia, crippling and security. Without all of these things,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had a career.
Speaker 2: He's very I also feel like he could be part
Speaker 2: of your wardrobe inspiration.
Speaker 1: With a beautiful brooch. My worst, because I'm a relatable queen,
Speaker 1: is that I can't find my red carpet style. Please
Speaker 1: tell me, And I need to find my red carpet.
Speaker 3: Style because you you because so much shit on people
Speaker 3: on the red carpet, Taylor needs to evolve her red
Speaker 3: carpet style. Well, what's your style?
Speaker 1: I can't find it. So for those who lived through
Speaker 1: my Logi's wardrobe drama, when I tried on forty things
Speaker 1: in the hour before I was due to be on
Speaker 1: the carpet, as they say, as we say. I think
Speaker 1: it's because it's not like I'm there so much as
Speaker 1: a d list hanger on that it feels ridiculous to
Speaker 1: go all out. And as you know, also, red carpet
Speaker 1: dressing is my least favorite because it's just not that interesting.
Speaker 1: And I loved looking at everyone else and people looked
Speaker 1: so great and so amazing. I ended up buying a
Speaker 1: dress from Q which was really nice. Actually bought two dresses,
Speaker 1: one that I took back. I just sent you guys
Speaker 1: pictures of boken like. The dress was lovely. I just
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it was me.
Speaker 2: I thought you looked amazing, but it didn't. It was
Speaker 2: quite fitted, which is very rough.
Speaker 1: It was a red carpetress or a suit person, I
Speaker 1: think so too. And I saw Sarachella, who's the writer
Speaker 1: on Stripe. She was wearing this like suit and she
Speaker 1: looked really cool, and I just thought, I've got to
Speaker 1: find yeah, And then someone said they were in the
Speaker 1: added ours shop and added us have done a ball
Speaker 1: gown and I'm thinking of investigating that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, can.
Speaker 3: You please post what you wore on the mummya out
Speaker 3: loud Instagram?
Speaker 1: So I'll also post what I didn't wear the dress
Speaker 1: that I.
Speaker 2: Took back, so they added us ballgann Yeah, I'll put
Speaker 2: it all up.
Speaker 3: My worst is that we have entered Look, we probably
Speaker 3: have a while ago, but I think we've entered into
Speaker 3: our tantra mirror. The other night we got home, we
Speaker 3: had a bit of a meltdown.
Speaker 2: This is you, is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, exactly right. It was just a really overwhelming day.
Speaker 3: Luna cried and you know, when you know they're fine,
Speaker 3: it's like there's no pain, there's not nothing that she wants.
Speaker 3: But she just cried for an hour. And when we
Speaker 3: finally got her to calm down, you know, when your
Speaker 3: nervous system just feels so assaulted, it was like, I
Speaker 3: don't think I've taken a breath in an hour. It's
Speaker 3: like so confronting because.
Speaker 1: It feels also awful on the inside of that tantrum.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know, yes, system, he likes to.
Speaker 2: Have them, but it's so true about your nervous system.
Speaker 2: This is something br and I talk about a lot,
Speaker 2: is that even as the kids get bigger, but like
Speaker 2: you can walk away from one of those incidents, but
Speaker 2: you don't actually decompress from it. No ages, and you
Speaker 2: have to figure out what.
Speaker 3: To do with that exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what the whole emotional regulation thing is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and my best has been we discovered I
Speaker 3: can't believe it took a system.
Speaker 2: I have one more question about tantrum. Yes, has there
Speaker 2: been a public one yet? That's particularly fun.
Speaker 3: You know what's not great is the leaving the park.
Speaker 3: There's been a few instances of leaving the park and
Speaker 3: there's kicking and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And what's my favorite part of the park.
Speaker 3: When you've got a little baby, you know how there's
Speaker 3: that stage where sometimes I just cry all day. Right,
Speaker 3: that's one thing. But when they get a bit older,
Speaker 3: they're so strong that they can thrash. I find that
Speaker 3: a lot harder. There was a tantrum in the doctor
Speaker 3: the other day. Actually, we're she totally lost it and
Speaker 3: you're just like, what do you do like it? Because
Speaker 3: you can't wrangle no, no, exactly, You've just got to
Speaker 3: cop it and be the mum walking down the street
Speaker 3: with the screaming child ignoring them. My best is that
Speaker 3: we have discovered this water play area around the corner
Speaker 3: from our house. And we've only just discovered it. It
Speaker 3: has changed our whole summer. We have been going almost
Speaker 3: every day, sometimes with cousin Matilda, but Luca and I
Speaker 3: ended up there on a Saturday morning. It's so much
Speaker 3: simpler than like the beach, all the things that you
Speaker 3: need for the beach has just got these fountains that
Speaker 3: spew up water and Luna just runs around and we
Speaker 3: looked at each other. One morning it was like ten am,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I cannot think of a better
Speaker 3: way to spend a morning than watching she was so
Speaker 3: happy running around. And Mom never gives me parenting advice,
Speaker 3: but the one thing she said that I think is
Speaker 3: very true is nothing resets a child like water.
Speaker 2: True. Put them in water really good back to emotional regulation.
Speaker 2: If you's got a kid who struggles with that, put
Speaker 2: them in water is a very good piece of advice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mum has said that. It like three ten eaching
Speaker 3: and stuff. Sometimes it's literally running a tap and sometimes
Speaker 3: she'll put Luna's little hands under the tap or something
Speaker 3: and it just it really helps it like calms and
Speaker 3: focuses them. And so seeing her runner, she's in a
Speaker 3: totally different mood when we get back from the water fountains.
Speaker 3: So that has just been because she's at that.
Speaker 1: Age where she wants to get out of the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, climbing the walls. So you've got to find activities
Speaker 3: that aren't just swing.
Speaker 2: So many activities out loud as. That is it from
Speaker 2: us on this Friday, and indeed for our week a
Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out loud as. Always, a massive thank you
Speaker 2: to you for being here with us. Read this out,
Speaker 2: Jesse and Miya.
Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team group executive producer
Speaker 3: Ruth Devine, executive producer Emmeline Gazillis.
Speaker 1: Our audio producer is Leah Porgies, and video producer Josh Green,
Speaker 1: who is a fellow Libra and he's also a queen
Speaker 1: arman in the bread department.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that our m is a Scorpio.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't mean throw any shade at scorpio's but I
Speaker 2: always think of scorpios as being quite like stingy, and
Speaker 2: em is not stingy at all.
Speaker 3: Do you mean stingy?
Speaker 2: No, Like I mean like they've got a sting in
Speaker 2: that tale, a stinger like they're pretty good with outing.
Speaker 2: She's compl but I'm going to dispute it anyway.
Speaker 1: Hard to digest out louders, we're still here, and if
Speaker 1: you want to hear more from us and you aren't
Speaker 1: ready to say goodbye, we were going to leave you
Speaker 1: with a bit of our conversation we had on the
Speaker 1: subscriber episode about how we are managing self care when
Speaker 1: we've had a year's worth of news in February alone.
Speaker 1: So if you're feeling exhausted, we are too. Have a
Speaker 1: listen to this, and if you want to hear the
Speaker 1: full episode, there's a link in the show notes out Louders.
Speaker 1: This is a dilemma episode, and it's a dilemma of
Speaker 1: mine and it might be a dilemma of yours too,
Speaker 1: because it's only February. The something like, we're not even
Speaker 1: halfway through February, and there has been probably more news
Speaker 1: in February than there was usually in the whole year,
Speaker 1: and upsetting news, terrible news. Donald Trump mostly is responsible
Speaker 1: for this, things that are coming out of the US
Speaker 1: and Elon. Then you've got Kanye saying all sorts of things.
Speaker 1: There's the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. But I want
Speaker 1: to focus today on Trump and Elon and American politics
Speaker 1: and what's happening in America. Because I want to ask
Speaker 1: you both how you are managing self care in this era.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even being facetious because as it out
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