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Speaker 3: Like I know that your twenties are for being a

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Speaker 3: hot mess, I did sort of assume that by your

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Speaker 3: forties and fifties you don't feel like a hot mess anymore?

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Speaker 2: Am I riter?

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Speaker 1: Am I? No, you feel hot?

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia Out Loud and to

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Speaker 2: our Friday show, where we lean into our toxic selfish sides,

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Speaker 2: shut out the world, and practice self care. No news

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Speaker 2: here today, friends, Today It's Friday, the fourteenth of February,

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Speaker 2: which I think is an auspicious date of some kind.

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Speaker 2: I'm here ring a bell, I'm here with my valentines.

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Speaker 1: I am Holly Wayne right, I'm mea Friedman.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jesse Stevens. And can I ask you, guys

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Speaker 3: something that's been playing on my mind. It's a very

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Speaker 3: specific dilemma that I had. Okay, the other day I

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Speaker 3: was speaking to my husband, who works here, and I thought,

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Speaker 3: and he said, did you bring your toothbrush, and I

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Speaker 1: But had you eaten anything after that?

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Speaker 2: Eat breakfast, luncheon, smack everything.

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Speaker 3: And then my appointment was at say five point thirty.

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Speaker 3: He was horrified that I was going to raw dog

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Speaker 3: the dentist with unbrushed teeth.

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Speaker 1: How's can the dentist even see anything?

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Speaker 2: I have never brushed my teeth before. I've got to

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Speaker 2: the d with you that what's supposed to happen? They

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Speaker 2: clean your teeth, don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't like is it respect?

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Speaker 2: I wrensed my mouth with some I'm like, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going in there with like coffee breather, big bits of

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Speaker 3: Out, Like is it like having a shower before perhaps me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What what?

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Speaker 3: Holly HOLLI fanny after the gym, because you you might have.

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Speaker 1: To rock up from the gym. But if I'm past

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Speaker 2: If my peraps appointment was like at eleven and I'd

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Speaker 2: had my shower at seven, I'm not gonna have another

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, but you wouldn't book it for

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Speaker 1: No, I think we have it. We like it. Had

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Speaker 1: to have our paps mews in the morning because we're

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Speaker 1: consider it. But also we brush our teeth before we

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Speaker 1: we go for our paps mere and then we fold

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Speaker 3: We wash our hair before the hair dress.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, they wash your hair. That's the poio.

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Speaker 2: You have to make sure you do this.

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Speaker 1: That's the king. Shake the knits out of your hair

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Speaker 3: I want I want out loud a dentists to go.

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Speaker 3: You know what, this is a great Can you please

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Speaker 3: brush your teeth? Your dirty bitches?

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Speaker 2: Friday shows.

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Speaker 1: Some things we're just understood.

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Speaker 2: Okay. On the show today, Bridget Jones is back. But

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Speaker 2: why do we struggle with hot mess women when bumbling

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Speaker 2: and burning the spaghetti is no longer cute? Plus, Mia

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Speaker 2: and Jesse have brilliant books to recommend, and I have

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Speaker 2: a TV self soothing classic and best and words of

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Speaker 2: the week, including red Carpets, Tantrums, and the Bunning Sausage Isle. No,

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Speaker 2: those things didn't all happen at the same time. But first,

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Speaker 2: Mia Friedman.

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Speaker 1: What type of bread are you? In case you missed it,

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Speaker 1: I know you're about to answer.

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Speaker 3: I've thought about it a lot.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it, every star sign is a

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Speaker 1: particular type of bread, and since bread is my favorite

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Speaker 1: food group and I am the bread correspondent on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: I'm here for it, or at least I was here

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Speaker 1: for it until I found out which one I was.

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Speaker 1: We came across a post by an account called Zodiac's Tea,

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Speaker 1: which sounds totally legitimate, and it basically divides all star

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Speaker 1: signs into breads. I'm going to start with mine, okay,

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Speaker 1: And the problem is I can't pronounce it, and that's

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Speaker 1: apparently one of its distinctive features. I'm a Libra and

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Speaker 1: the bread I am is called Queen armand it all.

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Speaker 1: It's a French pastry that sounds right and its qualities.

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Speaker 1: One of its qualities are that it enjoys you not

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Speaker 1: being able to pronounce its name, and it needs to

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Speaker 1: outniche everyone. It's sweet, it's puffed up, it's layers.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it sounds right, it sounds right. It

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Speaker 2: would be the founcy bread, you know, the poodle bread.

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Speaker 3: You know that Holly and I are the same star sign.

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Speaker 3: What would you get? I would go wonder white.

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Speaker 1: We're the opposite of because your basic bitches. I would

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Speaker 1: say that you are both wonder white, but not with

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Speaker 1: extra fiber, just no straight, not particularly fixed, sliced, just

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Speaker 1: almost on sale, almost no frills. Sagittarius, you are nut

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Speaker 1: and seed bread. You are always on the go, adventurous

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Speaker 1: maximalists at heart, into wellness culture, bold, nutty, and unpredictable.

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Speaker 2: It knows I like Gwyneth bread knows I like Gwene.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like either of you.

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Speaker 2: Into wellness culture follows Goop Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Throw Throw a couple of other star signs at me,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what Taurus. Taurus is sourdough, which

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Speaker 1: is actually my favorite. That's my favorite too, crisp, solid,

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Speaker 1: high maintenance and has a rustic charm.

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Speaker 3: I have a few leos in my family. Garlic bread, yes, oh,

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Speaker 1: They can't help the popular, can't help it. They're popular,

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Speaker 1: indulgent loves herbs, stands out at parties or large gatherings.

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Speaker 2: Many of my important people are Geminis, Maya and he Geminis.

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Speaker 1: That Gemini is lemon blueberry bread, which frankly sounds like cake.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's got exciting bread except for me and you. We've

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Speaker 2: got the bread that everybody hates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good for your bad yea that you have.

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Speaker 2: To eat it when the doctor's told you to.

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Speaker 1: Geminis and lemon blueberry bread bright stimulating. With them, you

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Speaker 1: get the best of both worlds. They're never dull and

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Speaker 1: especial shout out to poor scorpios who are pumpin nicole,

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Speaker 1: but also nostalgic.

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Speaker 3: Is this what happens when the news cycle is like this?

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Speaker 3: What spread?

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Speaker 2: Am I?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Because that seems like I can digest that.

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Speaker 3: For everyone else, we are going to put your bread

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Speaker 3: up on the mummy out loud Instagram and let us know,

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Speaker 3: let us know if it is correct for you.

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Speaker 2: So, so.

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Speaker 1: You stay at your parents for New Year?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 2: There are some female fictional characters who are just part

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Speaker 2: is Bridget Jones, who is back this week in the

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Speaker 2: fourth film. It's called Mad About the Boy. We kind

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Speaker 2: from White Lotus, and then other things happen. We won't

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Speaker 2: spoil it for you anyway. Bridget Jones traitor, as anti feminist, hopeless, romantic, bumbling, bombshell.

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Speaker 2: All these tags are fair calls for the character the

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Speaker 2: British journalist Helen Fielding created in the nineties. Now at

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Speaker 2: She was a voice for single women that hadn't really

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Speaker 1: But all the same, she was a hot mess. She

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Speaker 3: a poodle and a wolf. There's kind of these categories

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Speaker 1: Maya, I'm a poodle, You're actually a poodle, ya.

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Speaker 3: It's like interested in clothes and maybe you're better at

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Speaker 2: And women loved her because she was honest. She worried

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Speaker 2: the wrong men. She always felt like she was out

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Speaker 1: And she was also portrayed as being overweight when you

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Speaker 1: look back at it and realize where a lot of

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Speaker 1: our body dysmorphia came from as gen x because.

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Speaker 2: She ten in slight defense in the book, that was

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Speaker 2: really refreshing because it was just real, you know now,

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Speaker 2: And you'll notice in the new movies, and particularly this

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Speaker 2: new one, there is absolutely no mention of weight, as

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Speaker 2: that conversation out because it is a conversation women have

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Speaker 2: all the time anyway. It was an era of exploring

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Speaker 2: chaotic women. Carrie Bradshaw was the much edgier American version

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Speaker 2: of Bridget, and then came a slew of hot mess

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Speaker 2: women who evolved over time from Bridget to girls Hannah

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Speaker 2: Horvart and girls to Fleabag to its array and insecure.

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Speaker 2: But now the oldest of the hot Messes, Bridget, the

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Speaker 2: grandma of the group, is in the new movie fifty one,

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Speaker 2: and we're a bit less comfortable, as seen by the

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Speaker 2: mighty Carrie Bradshaw backlash of the en, like that era

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Speaker 2: with properly grown up women not having their shit together,

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Speaker 2: even though many of us actually don't maya what happens

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Speaker 2: when the hot Messes grow up.

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Speaker 1: I've had to really check myself on this because when

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Speaker 1: I saw the film, and it was so lovely to

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Speaker 1: spend time with those characters Hugh Grant in particular, You're right,

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Speaker 1: it was emotional to see that glimpse of mister Darcy

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Speaker 1: and see Bridget again, and it was lovely, like spending

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Speaker 1: Because that's her relatability.

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Speaker 2: But to be honest, you can't have a functioning anybody.

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Speaker 1: So I think that there's a dichotomy between the two

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Speaker 2: Because women Jennifer Lawrence was the coolest girl in the world,

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Speaker 1: So don't you think that to not be attacked, women

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Speaker 2: And there's it expressing a basic truth that we all,

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Speaker 2: Am I right?

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Speaker 2: Don't you know what I mean? Like, I think that

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Speaker 2: If you keep falling over the ear infection, probably something

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Speaker 3: That's a sub episode theory. You're allowed to be a

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Speaker 1: It feels irresponsible, It.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent, And it's interesting because what you talked

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Speaker 1: It's a mess.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't need to see your messy house too.

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Speaker 3: I have a question is there such thing as a

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Speaker 2: You know, there was that time in the nineties and

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Speaker 1: It was one of the challenges that we had, and

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Speaker 1: Sometimes she was a hot mess at work, sometimes she

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Speaker 1: you need shortcuts. But I agree. I hate that trope

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Speaker 1: of used to watch a show called The Newsroom Arin Sorcan,

432
00:20:46,621 --> 00:20:49,061
Speaker 1: and I had to stop because the female lead in

433
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Speaker 1: that she literally would walk from one side of the

434
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Speaker 1: news room to the other and she'd fall over. Yeah,

435
00:20:53,901 --> 00:20:56,262
Speaker 1: And it was like, that was this shortcut for her

436
00:20:56,302 --> 00:21:01,261
Speaker 1: being i don't know, relatable, or having vulnerabilities or being human.

437
00:21:01,502 --> 00:21:04,901
Speaker 2: There's a really excellent discussion in the latest season of

438
00:21:04,982 --> 00:21:09,141
Speaker 2: The Diplomat. You know, the whole character shortcut for Carrie

439
00:21:09,222 --> 00:21:11,861
Speaker 2: russell character in that is that she doesn't brush her

440
00:21:11,861 --> 00:21:14,302
Speaker 2: hair and she doesn't care about clothes, so she always

441
00:21:14,341 --> 00:21:16,502
Speaker 2: looks kind of amazing, but she's always wearing a very

442
00:21:16,542 --> 00:21:18,022
Speaker 2: boring suit. She has messy hair.

443
00:21:17,901 --> 00:21:19,262
Speaker 3: And her eyeline is a bit smud.

444
00:21:19,422 --> 00:21:22,941
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in this particular scene, her pant button had broken,

445
00:21:22,982 --> 00:21:24,782
Speaker 2: so she had a safety pin. And then she meets

446
00:21:24,782 --> 00:21:26,742
Speaker 2: the Vice President of the US who's played by Alison

447
00:21:26,821 --> 00:21:29,101
Speaker 2: Janny and basically Alison Janny tells her this is not

448
00:21:29,182 --> 00:21:31,621
Speaker 2: cute anymore, Like you think this is cute, but she said,

449
00:21:32,061 --> 00:21:34,061
Speaker 2: if you can't figure out a way to do up

450
00:21:34,101 --> 00:21:35,981
Speaker 2: your pants, how people supposed to trust you with the

451
00:21:36,061 --> 00:21:37,302
Speaker 2: nuclear codes? And you're like.

452
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Speaker 1: Yes out loud. As after the break, we have got

453
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Speaker 1: recommendations for your weekend and they're great.

454
00:21:53,502 --> 00:21:57,421
Speaker 2: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.

455
00:21:57,942 --> 00:22:02,262
Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation. It's Friday, so we want

456
00:22:02,302 --> 00:22:06,022
Speaker 1: to help set up your weekend with our best recommendations. Jesse,

457
00:22:06,782 --> 00:22:07,502
Speaker 1: you go first.

458
00:22:07,502 --> 00:22:08,821
Speaker 3: You've got a book I do.

459
00:22:08,901 --> 00:22:10,581
Speaker 1: I've heard about this, but I haven't read it.

460
00:22:10,621 --> 00:22:10,901
Speaker 2: What is it?

461
00:22:10,901 --> 00:22:13,662
Speaker 3: A blue banger that everyone needs to read? I'd had

462
00:22:13,661 --> 00:22:16,901
Speaker 3: it recommended in eleven different places. Finally started reading. It

463
00:22:16,982 --> 00:22:20,262
Speaker 3: is called The Wedding People. It's by Alison S. Pack

464
00:22:20,742 --> 00:22:22,581
Speaker 3: and what I love about it is that it is

465
00:22:23,022 --> 00:22:25,741
Speaker 3: really pacy, so you'll be totally in it, but it

466
00:22:25,782 --> 00:22:27,861
Speaker 3: also makes you feel smarter, like how does it start?

467
00:22:27,901 --> 00:22:29,461
Speaker 1: Because I think I started and then stopped.

468
00:22:29,502 --> 00:22:32,821
Speaker 3: Okay, So it starts with a woman named Phoebe who

469
00:22:32,901 --> 00:22:35,502
Speaker 3: turns up at a hotel for a night, right, And

470
00:22:35,502 --> 00:22:37,181
Speaker 3: she's all dressed up in this fancy dress, and you

471
00:22:37,222 --> 00:22:39,341
Speaker 3: kind of don't know why she turns up at this hotel.

472
00:22:39,422 --> 00:22:42,461
Speaker 3: She's clearly got some kind of plan. And it turns

473
00:22:42,502 --> 00:22:45,022
Speaker 3: out that hotel has been booked out for a wedding

474
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Speaker 3: and everyone else staying there is a wedding guest for

475
00:22:47,302 --> 00:22:52,142
Speaker 3: this amazing wedding in Newport, right, And so what unfolds

476
00:22:52,462 --> 00:22:56,101
Speaker 3: is this unlikely relationship between her and the bride, and

477
00:22:56,141 --> 00:22:59,502
Speaker 3: also her watching the dynamics of a family, like the

478
00:22:59,581 --> 00:23:03,702
Speaker 3: really weird conversations that happened between a bride and her

479
00:23:03,742 --> 00:23:06,262
Speaker 3: sister in law or the relationship with the mother, and

480
00:23:06,982 --> 00:23:09,022
Speaker 3: it kind of goes back into how she ended up there.

481
00:23:09,022 --> 00:23:13,661
Speaker 3: She's had this marriage fall apart. It's really really great.

482
00:23:13,782 --> 00:23:16,462
Speaker 3: It's great, it's great, And that's the strongest thing I

483
00:23:16,542 --> 00:23:22,101
Speaker 3: think is, you know, in family dynamics, it's what's not

484
00:23:22,222 --> 00:23:24,782
Speaker 3: said that's so interesting. The way that she writes the

485
00:23:24,861 --> 00:23:28,222
Speaker 3: dialogue and you can feel the tension, but it's so subtle.

486
00:23:28,302 --> 00:23:31,262
Speaker 1: It's very clever setting books. I read another book that

487
00:23:31,302 --> 00:23:33,621
Speaker 1: was set at a wedding called The Unwedding, which I

488
00:23:33,661 --> 00:23:35,782
Speaker 1: didn't love, so I'll have to give this a go.

489
00:23:36,381 --> 00:23:39,581
Speaker 1: It's clever because weddings are like the distillation of so

490
00:23:39,742 --> 00:23:41,941
Speaker 1: many interesting family dynamics, and they're drama.

491
00:23:42,061 --> 00:23:42,901
Speaker 2: They're always drama.

492
00:23:42,942 --> 00:23:44,581
Speaker 3: It's a New York Times bestseller. It was one of

493
00:23:44,581 --> 00:23:46,782
Speaker 3: the biggest books of last year. You have to read it.

494
00:23:47,302 --> 00:23:50,022
Speaker 2: Who I promise I have read some books lately, but

495
00:23:50,101 --> 00:23:56,341
Speaker 2: I am going to instead recommend a very sole, nourishing

496
00:23:56,381 --> 00:23:58,422
Speaker 2: TV show to the five people who are not yet

497
00:23:58,462 --> 00:24:00,302
Speaker 2: watching this one. We know we've been talking a lot

498
00:24:00,422 --> 00:24:04,302
Speaker 2: lately about how we're getting through a very negative news cycle,

499
00:24:04,542 --> 00:24:08,101
Speaker 2: how we're self regulating. A founder new trick, and it

500
00:24:08,141 --> 00:24:13,222
Speaker 2: is Mustard Dogs on the ABC. These dogs put themselves

501
00:24:13,302 --> 00:24:16,621
Speaker 2: on the line to do a job for us every day.

502
00:24:16,861 --> 00:24:19,102
Speaker 1: These are working dogs and they're very smart.

503
00:24:19,262 --> 00:24:23,901
Speaker 2: So the first time we'll be comparing collies to kelpies,

504
00:24:24,422 --> 00:24:26,142
Speaker 2: I felt this is going to be a stitch uppy.

505
00:24:26,661 --> 00:24:32,702
Speaker 1: I've got a special delivery for you. Oh you know, Minn.

506
00:24:32,861 --> 00:24:34,302
Speaker 2: I hope that you get to love him.

507
00:24:34,222 --> 00:24:34,981
Speaker 3: As much as I do.

508
00:24:35,262 --> 00:24:37,341
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, he's divine.

509
00:24:37,462 --> 00:24:40,542
Speaker 2: I think she's just done away on your shirts.

510
00:24:41,621 --> 00:24:43,221
Speaker 3: What's that show actually about?

511
00:24:43,381 --> 00:24:45,741
Speaker 2: So it's been going for a while, it's not a

512
00:24:45,782 --> 00:24:48,502
Speaker 2: new show. Season three has just dropped, right, which is

513
00:24:48,502 --> 00:24:51,262
Speaker 2: why it's back in the zeitgeist. But it is literally

514
00:24:51,542 --> 00:24:56,022
Speaker 2: a very well made documentary slash reality show about little

515
00:24:56,101 --> 00:24:59,182
Speaker 2: mustard dog puppies growing up and learning how to hurt

516
00:24:59,222 --> 00:25:00,021
Speaker 2: sheep and cows.

517
00:25:00,101 --> 00:25:02,181
Speaker 1: It's mads but for dogs.

518
00:25:03,621 --> 00:25:06,782
Speaker 2: So what they do is it cast? Well? Oh so well?

519
00:25:07,141 --> 00:25:10,302
Speaker 2: So what they do as back, I've learned a lot.

520
00:25:10,381 --> 00:25:12,701
Speaker 2: Right in the first one, you know this kelpie and

521
00:25:12,742 --> 00:25:14,742
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, you know how kelpies? They look like kelpies.

522
00:25:14,742 --> 00:25:16,742
Speaker 2: This kelpie has a little of puppies that can sell

523
00:25:16,782 --> 00:25:19,702
Speaker 2: for thirty five thousand dollars each, right, because they've got

524
00:25:19,702 --> 00:25:24,101
Speaker 2: this lineage of incredible herding capabilities. Like, yeah, if I

525
00:25:24,222 --> 00:25:27,022
Speaker 2: take Tuna, who is a pound mutt, and I try

526
00:25:27,061 --> 00:25:30,861
Speaker 2: and teach her to muster cattle, probably not going to work.

527
00:25:30,901 --> 00:25:33,662
Speaker 2: But you take one of these guys who have got

528
00:25:33,661 --> 00:25:36,101
Speaker 2: it coming down their bloodline, and the first thing they

529
00:25:36,141 --> 00:25:37,981
Speaker 2: do when they see your cowra, sheep whatever, they're like,

530
00:25:38,542 --> 00:25:40,981
Speaker 2: I like that. I one heard it right. Anyway, what

531
00:25:41,022 --> 00:25:43,942
Speaker 2: they do is they've got five puppies, five farmers people

532
00:25:43,942 --> 00:25:45,502
Speaker 2: from different parts of the country. So there's someone in

533
00:25:45,542 --> 00:25:47,782
Speaker 2: the Far Northern Territory, there's somebody down in Tazzi, there's

534
00:25:47,782 --> 00:25:50,302
Speaker 2: someone in Victoria. Whatever. They all take a puppy and

535
00:25:50,341 --> 00:25:52,702
Speaker 2: then they train them and they have to do tests

536
00:25:52,742 --> 00:25:54,621
Speaker 2: throughout the year of what the puppies can do. And

537
00:25:54,661 --> 00:25:56,942
Speaker 2: it's a competition. You'd like that be as a leaderboard

538
00:25:57,061 --> 00:25:59,221
Speaker 2: mia and at the end one of them wins.

539
00:25:59,381 --> 00:26:01,022
Speaker 3: Right, it's a little bit like married at first.

540
00:26:01,222 --> 00:26:01,941
Speaker 2: It's a lot like that.

541
00:26:01,942 --> 00:26:03,381
Speaker 3: I should write recaps on the site.

542
00:26:03,422 --> 00:26:05,701
Speaker 2: But you know, the thing is is this show's been

543
00:26:05,742 --> 00:26:07,821
Speaker 2: around for it since twenty twenty two and I'd never

544
00:26:07,861 --> 00:26:10,341
Speaker 2: really watched it. But then, as I say, I've been

545
00:26:10,341 --> 00:26:13,861
Speaker 2: on a hunt for self soothing TV and for whatever reason,

546
00:26:13,901 --> 00:26:15,661
Speaker 2: I turned it on it. They're all on iView and

547
00:26:15,742 --> 00:26:20,061
Speaker 2: the first one I just immediately was like yes please,

548
00:26:20,422 --> 00:26:22,502
Speaker 2: and I watched all of it. Then I've started watching

549
00:26:22,502 --> 00:26:24,381
Speaker 2: the seconde. The first one's all about Kelpie's the second

550
00:26:24,381 --> 00:26:26,461
Speaker 2: one is all about border Collies and the third season

551
00:26:26,462 --> 00:26:29,341
Speaker 2: that's just dropped is Kelpies versus Border College.

552
00:26:29,381 --> 00:26:31,981
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Holly, oh my goodness, how can you

553
00:26:32,022 --> 00:26:32,581
Speaker 3: stand it?

554
00:26:33,542 --> 00:26:37,341
Speaker 2: Lisa Milaner rates, there's aware are they now? It's very

555
00:26:37,381 --> 00:26:38,662
Speaker 2: satisfying shrint.

556
00:26:38,462 --> 00:26:41,941
Speaker 1: In the book. It's brilliant because it's like really interesting

557
00:26:42,262 --> 00:26:44,622
Speaker 1: but low steaks, you know what I mean?

558
00:26:45,581 --> 00:26:48,221
Speaker 2: The people. You know, if you're a city person and

559
00:26:48,262 --> 00:26:51,421
Speaker 2: I'm sort of country adjacent now, but like it's a

560
00:26:51,462 --> 00:26:53,782
Speaker 2: world you don't know about, right, and I'm always interested

561
00:26:53,782 --> 00:26:56,742
Speaker 2: in that. So these people are really great talent, like

562
00:26:56,821 --> 00:26:58,941
Speaker 2: the people who they get the farmers. There are women,

563
00:26:59,022 --> 00:27:01,581
Speaker 2: and there are people from different backgrounds, old people, young people, whatever,

564
00:27:02,101 --> 00:27:05,181
Speaker 2: and they're really good at what they do. Very capable people,

565
00:27:05,381 --> 00:27:07,621
Speaker 2: not hot messes. They're living in the middle of nowhere

566
00:27:07,621 --> 00:27:08,902
Speaker 2: and they have to deal with all kinds of things.

567
00:27:09,182 --> 00:27:10,741
Speaker 2: And then there's just the Kip populus of it.

568
00:27:10,742 --> 00:27:12,542
Speaker 3: And anyway that's a dog would like her.

569
00:27:12,621 --> 00:27:16,941
Speaker 1: It just won Best Australian Reality Show at the Actor

570
00:27:16,982 --> 00:27:19,502
Speaker 1: Awards last week. All the Muster Dog people were very

571
00:27:19,502 --> 00:27:23,142
Speaker 1: excited got up from stage. Dog's there I was sad, Oh, well,

572
00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:27,782
Speaker 1: that's fulshit. I have got a recommendation that relates to

573
00:27:27,821 --> 00:27:31,901
Speaker 1: my hyper fixation at the moment about Carol and Bessett Kennedy.

574
00:27:31,942 --> 00:27:34,341
Speaker 1: It's not a new hyper fixation. She was the wife

575
00:27:34,381 --> 00:27:37,702
Speaker 1: of JFK Jr. He was one of the good Kennedy's.

576
00:27:38,222 --> 00:27:41,581
Speaker 1: He was a first cousin to RFK Jr. Who is

577
00:27:41,621 --> 00:27:43,821
Speaker 1: now the Health Secretary of the US. But I won't

578
00:27:43,861 --> 00:27:46,622
Speaker 1: talk about that because it's a news free zone. Anyway,

579
00:27:46,821 --> 00:27:50,341
Speaker 1: JFK married this woman who was a director of publicity

580
00:27:50,422 --> 00:27:54,581
Speaker 1: at Calvin Klein and they married in I think around

581
00:27:54,661 --> 00:27:57,821
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. She was a normy. The stories were

582
00:27:57,901 --> 00:28:00,261
Speaker 1: very similar in the media treatment of her as to

583
00:28:00,262 --> 00:28:02,622
Speaker 1: what happened to Meghan as to what happened to Diana

584
00:28:03,341 --> 00:28:06,262
Speaker 1: in terms of these were women who had not been

585
00:28:06,262 --> 00:28:08,461
Speaker 1: in the public eye. Meghan had a little bit, but

586
00:28:08,502 --> 00:28:12,422
Speaker 1: who married into very famous and well loved men. She

587
00:28:12,462 --> 00:28:17,662
Speaker 1: died tragically alongside JFK Jr. And her sister when he

588
00:28:17,821 --> 00:28:21,742
Speaker 1: was flying them to a Kennedy wedding in Hanna's Port,

589
00:28:21,901 --> 00:28:25,181
Speaker 1: and he was not really equipped to be flying on

590
00:28:25,222 --> 00:28:27,502
Speaker 1: that night and he shouldn't have been flying. It was

591
00:28:27,542 --> 00:28:30,621
Speaker 1: pilot error and the plane went down. That was in

592
00:28:30,702 --> 00:28:34,621
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. And the reason that she's so famous

593
00:28:34,742 --> 00:28:37,542
Speaker 1: is that she's become this absolute style like on for

594
00:28:37,621 --> 00:28:40,501
Speaker 1: generations of women who weren't even born when she was alive,

595
00:28:40,942 --> 00:28:44,102
Speaker 1: but because there's been this resurgence of interest in nineties style,

596
00:28:44,182 --> 00:28:48,222
Speaker 1: that nineties minimalist style she embodied that she was.

597
00:28:48,182 --> 00:28:50,221
Speaker 2: Like as a fashion person. She worked for Calvin Klein,

598
00:28:50,342 --> 00:28:50,782
Speaker 2: didn't she.

599
00:28:50,822 --> 00:28:52,981
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she never never gave it in to you,

600
00:28:53,022 --> 00:28:56,822
Speaker 1: never really spoke, And so every photo of her that

601
00:28:56,902 --> 00:29:00,102
Speaker 1: you would look at now would look contemporary. Her clothes,

602
00:29:00,142 --> 00:29:02,702
Speaker 1: to hair, her makeup, it doesn't look like something from

603
00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:05,382
Speaker 1: the nineties. It's just lasted the test of time. Her

604
00:29:05,462 --> 00:29:08,902
Speaker 1: wedding photo, her wedding she changed the whole wedding industry

605
00:29:08,942 --> 00:29:11,622
Speaker 1: because she like a slip dress, silk slip dress, which

606
00:29:11,661 --> 00:29:13,462
Speaker 1: was very in fashion at the time it was the nineties,

607
00:29:13,702 --> 00:29:16,461
Speaker 1: but no one had ever worn it as a wedding dress.

608
00:29:16,661 --> 00:29:18,862
Speaker 3: I went to the JFK Museum when I was in

609
00:29:18,862 --> 00:29:20,342
Speaker 3: the US. They have a lot of her clothes there,

610
00:29:20,622 --> 00:29:22,462
Speaker 3: do they? You should go have a looks.

611
00:29:22,542 --> 00:29:24,782
Speaker 1: Yes. So anyway, there's this book it's called Once Upon

612
00:29:24,782 --> 00:29:27,302
Speaker 1: a Time, The Captivating Life of Carolyn Bessett Kennedy, And

613
00:29:27,342 --> 00:29:29,862
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is that I've got it on my kindle,

614
00:29:29,902 --> 00:29:33,502
Speaker 1: but I'm also if you're a Premium Spotify member, you

615
00:29:33,582 --> 00:29:36,062
Speaker 1: get a lot of audiobooks for free. I'm also listening

616
00:29:36,142 --> 00:29:38,142
Speaker 1: to it, so sometimes I'm listening to it, sometimes I'm

617
00:29:38,142 --> 00:29:40,222
Speaker 1: reading it, and I've also got a coffee table book

618
00:29:40,222 --> 00:29:43,222
Speaker 1: about her outfits, which I'm flicking through while i'm listening.

619
00:29:43,422 --> 00:29:47,421
Speaker 2: My question is, because my sense of her is fashion icon, right, Yeah,

620
00:29:47,502 --> 00:29:49,981
Speaker 2: does it actually tell you who she was? Because no

621
00:29:50,022 --> 00:29:52,062
Speaker 2: one ever talks about who she was, what she was like,

622
00:29:52,142 --> 00:29:54,422
Speaker 2: what she was interested in, what her interior life was.

623
00:29:54,422 --> 00:29:56,862
Speaker 2: Was she this? They just talked about what she looked.

624
00:29:56,622 --> 00:29:59,142
Speaker 1: Like exactly, and that's what this is. I think there's

625
00:29:59,182 --> 00:30:01,742
Speaker 1: more interest in her now as a person, and there's

626
00:30:01,782 --> 00:30:05,422
Speaker 1: not a huge amount to go on because she was private,

627
00:30:05,782 --> 00:30:09,382
Speaker 1: was private, deeply private, and this really fleshed her out.

628
00:30:09,702 --> 00:30:12,181
Speaker 1: Part of her problem is she just wanted a quiet,

629
00:30:12,182 --> 00:30:15,862
Speaker 1: private life and this public glare. She was very much

630
00:30:15,902 --> 00:30:18,582
Speaker 1: a people person. It drove her into being a recluse

631
00:30:18,782 --> 00:30:22,741
Speaker 1: like Diana, like similar treatment to what we saw of

632
00:30:22,862 --> 00:30:25,542
Speaker 1: Meghan as well. So yeah, I'm really loving that book.

633
00:30:26,062 --> 00:30:28,902
Speaker 3: After the break, a tantrum, a pantry disaster, and a

634
00:30:28,942 --> 00:30:31,661
Speaker 3: fashion crisis. It is our best and Worst of the

635
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Speaker 3: week one unlimited out loud access. We drop episodes every

636
00:30:36,902 --> 00:30:41,542
Speaker 3: Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Mama Maya subscribers. Follow the

637
00:30:41,622 --> 00:30:43,462
Speaker 3: link in the show notes to get us in your

638
00:30:43,502 --> 00:30:46,302
Speaker 3: ears five days a week. And a huge thank you

639
00:30:46,462 --> 00:31:01,662
Speaker 3: to all our current subscribers. It's time for Best and Worst.

640
00:31:01,902 --> 00:31:04,102
Speaker 3: This is a part of the show where we share

641
00:31:04,182 --> 00:31:07,502
Speaker 3: a little bit from our personal lives. Holly, what was

642
00:31:07,542 --> 00:31:08,222
Speaker 3: your worst?

643
00:31:08,622 --> 00:31:10,701
Speaker 2: This might seem like little thing, but it's not a

644
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:13,262
Speaker 2: little thing, because it's like two million little things that

645
00:31:13,302 --> 00:31:16,942
Speaker 2: are ruining my life. We have an infestation of pantry mots.

646
00:31:17,302 --> 00:31:19,342
Speaker 2: We don't have a pantry. The mots are living in

647
00:31:19,382 --> 00:31:24,062
Speaker 2: the cupboards. They are cupboard mots, right, I started with

648
00:31:24,062 --> 00:31:27,142
Speaker 2: one or two. They're like, well, I think that's where

649
00:31:27,142 --> 00:31:27,662
Speaker 2: they come from.

650
00:31:27,742 --> 00:31:30,702
Speaker 1: Wells, little brown moths?

651
00:31:30,902 --> 00:31:34,462
Speaker 2: Right, one or two? No, biggie, right, you go. That's annoying.

652
00:31:34,822 --> 00:31:37,862
Speaker 2: Suddenly you open the cupboard and like the locusts are

653
00:31:37,862 --> 00:31:40,582
Speaker 2: coming out, They're dropping in the food, They're everywhere else.

654
00:31:40,702 --> 00:31:42,982
Speaker 2: So we have tried everything. Of course, I googled. I'm

655
00:31:42,982 --> 00:31:45,982
Speaker 2: not an idiot. I googled so empty out the cupboards,

656
00:31:46,062 --> 00:31:47,701
Speaker 2: throw out all the food that looks like maybe the

657
00:31:47,742 --> 00:31:50,222
Speaker 2: mots have got into it. Wipe down with vinegar, set

658
00:31:50,262 --> 00:31:52,941
Speaker 2: some traps, go to Bunnings, buy some traps, set some traps.

659
00:31:52,982 --> 00:31:53,862
Speaker 2: But did all that?

660
00:31:53,902 --> 00:31:55,102
Speaker 1: What are the traps just sticky?

661
00:31:55,142 --> 00:31:57,622
Speaker 2: They're like little sticky things. And I was like, job done.

662
00:31:57,822 --> 00:32:00,622
Speaker 2: Those mophos are gone. Get up the next day, go

663
00:32:00,661 --> 00:32:05,342
Speaker 2: into the kitchen. They're back. They're dropping from everything. I

664
00:32:05,342 --> 00:32:07,142
Speaker 2: was throwing to Billy on the phone last night. He's like, no,

665
00:32:07,182 --> 00:32:08,942
Speaker 2: there's some mots in my milk. Like he's just trying.

666
00:32:09,782 --> 00:32:12,982
Speaker 2: There's just gods everywhere. They are driving us crazy. It's

667
00:32:12,982 --> 00:32:15,782
Speaker 2: so funny because Brent has got very involved and like

668
00:32:15,862 --> 00:32:19,062
Speaker 2: it's almost taking it personally at war. He's like, we

669
00:32:19,102 --> 00:32:19,662
Speaker 2: have to go up.

670
00:32:19,622 --> 00:32:20,062
Speaker 1: In the roof.

671
00:32:20,302 --> 00:32:22,542
Speaker 2: We have to put down purst bonds we have. It's

672
00:32:22,542 --> 00:32:24,741
Speaker 2: like we're going to the whole house in vinegar. Like

673
00:32:24,782 --> 00:32:27,662
Speaker 2: this is just what's going to happen. Nothing is working out. Louders.

674
00:32:27,822 --> 00:32:31,781
Speaker 2: If you know things, I know, you know things. Tell me.

675
00:32:31,942 --> 00:32:35,382
Speaker 3: Luca waged war on the slugs in our courtyard, and

676
00:32:35,422 --> 00:32:37,382
Speaker 3: that was I was getting updates a lot of us

677
00:32:37,382 --> 00:32:39,421
Speaker 3: six seven times a day, and I was like, I

678
00:32:39,702 --> 00:32:42,062
Speaker 3: don't give a shit about slugs.

679
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:43,822
Speaker 2: The moth's really annoying.

680
00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:44,902
Speaker 1: We've got cockroaches.

681
00:32:45,022 --> 00:32:47,702
Speaker 2: If that's also bad, isn't it? Yeah, Billy, Oh my god,

682
00:32:47,702 --> 00:32:50,062
Speaker 2: he freaks out. It's really unfortunate because you know, you

683
00:32:50,062 --> 00:32:51,502
Speaker 2: see one and you're like better, just.

684
00:32:53,302 --> 00:32:54,382
Speaker 1: Yeah, freaks out.

685
00:32:54,742 --> 00:32:57,022
Speaker 2: My best. I have to actually thank all the out

686
00:32:57,022 --> 00:32:59,022
Speaker 2: louders for their support when I shared my book cover

687
00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:01,461
Speaker 2: and my pre order the other day on Friday, my

688
00:33:01,502 --> 00:33:03,702
Speaker 2: new novel is available for pre order, and lots about

689
00:33:03,742 --> 00:33:07,421
Speaker 2: louders supported that, and I'm so appreciative, and don't worry,

690
00:33:07,422 --> 00:33:09,942
Speaker 2: you'll be hearing lots about that in the weeks to come.

691
00:33:10,222 --> 00:33:13,702
Speaker 2: But my actual best is that on Sunday we went

692
00:33:13,742 --> 00:33:16,222
Speaker 2: into the Bunning Sausage Sizzle for the school for my

693
00:33:16,302 --> 00:33:19,062
Speaker 2: kid's school, you know, a fundraiser, Yeah, and you were.

694
00:33:19,822 --> 00:33:21,902
Speaker 2: I was sizzling, well, actually know, I was saucing, which

695
00:33:21,942 --> 00:33:26,302
Speaker 2: is the perfect job, right, So Brent was sizzling, someone

696
00:33:26,302 --> 00:33:28,862
Speaker 2: else was taking the money, and I was serving up

697
00:33:28,862 --> 00:33:32,342
Speaker 2: the sausages. Onions, no onions, brown sauce, red sauce, yellow sauce.

698
00:33:32,382 --> 00:33:34,701
Speaker 2: What are your choys. I had the best morning, like

699
00:33:34,782 --> 00:33:36,981
Speaker 2: I just did. I just got talking to heaps of

700
00:33:36,982 --> 00:33:39,701
Speaker 2: interesting people. I heard lots of good stories from people.

701
00:33:39,742 --> 00:33:41,342
Speaker 2: I ate quite a few sausages.

702
00:33:41,582 --> 00:33:43,462
Speaker 1: No, I'm sad when they get no one is sad.

703
00:33:43,502 --> 00:33:46,702
Speaker 2: And it's really interesting because I'm nosy obviously people person,

704
00:33:46,822 --> 00:33:50,181
Speaker 2: I'm like, what time of day is it acceptable to

705
00:33:50,422 --> 00:33:52,221
Speaker 2: have a sausage when you come out of Bunnings? And

706
00:33:52,262 --> 00:33:54,942
Speaker 2: we were there from like nine till twelve or whatever. Anytime,

707
00:33:55,102 --> 00:33:57,302
Speaker 2: any time of day is acceptable for a sausage or

708
00:33:57,342 --> 00:34:00,142
Speaker 2: four Actually, as it turns out, really enjoyed. It raised

709
00:34:00,182 --> 00:34:02,261
Speaker 2: lots of money for the school. Yeah. Then I got

710
00:34:02,302 --> 00:34:04,102
Speaker 2: to go upstairs and buy loads of things to the garden.

711
00:34:04,382 --> 00:34:06,382
Speaker 2: Perfect Sunday activity.

712
00:34:06,742 --> 00:34:07,981
Speaker 3: Maya. What was your worst?

713
00:34:08,822 --> 00:34:11,342
Speaker 1: My word? So I want to start with my best

714
00:34:11,542 --> 00:34:15,302
Speaker 1: because it's related. My best was actually going to the actors.

715
00:34:15,422 --> 00:34:19,142
Speaker 1: They've got a long name, but basically they're the cinema

716
00:34:19,502 --> 00:34:23,261
Speaker 1: and the TV and the Arts Awards for the arts

717
00:34:23,302 --> 00:34:29,582
Speaker 1: in Australia. It's fine and there's some letters. It's aactas

718
00:34:29,701 --> 00:34:32,661
Speaker 1: Strife was nominated for Best Comedy and Ash was nominated

719
00:34:32,741 --> 00:34:35,702
Speaker 1: for Lead Actress in a comedy and also a drama

720
00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:39,142
Speaker 1: for Fake and it was just lovely. It was up

721
00:34:39,142 --> 00:34:39,982
Speaker 1: on the Gold Coast.

722
00:34:40,142 --> 00:34:41,221
Speaker 3: You saw lots of famous people.

723
00:34:41,781 --> 00:34:43,221
Speaker 1: It was so interesting. So we were staying at this

724
00:34:43,221 --> 00:34:45,462
Speaker 1: hotel called the Langham and not only were there all

725
00:34:45,462 --> 00:34:47,222
Speaker 1: the famous people who were up there for the awards

726
00:34:47,221 --> 00:34:48,942
Speaker 1: and it was hosted by Russell Crowe and it was

727
00:34:49,022 --> 00:34:52,622
Speaker 1: just all these people, but all the big Hollywood stars

728
00:34:52,622 --> 00:34:55,221
Speaker 1: who shoot movies on the Gold Coast like live there,

729
00:34:55,862 --> 00:34:57,701
Speaker 1: so they like get put up by the studios for

730
00:34:57,741 --> 00:35:00,261
Speaker 1: like five months in this hotel. So like you'd be

731
00:35:00,382 --> 00:35:02,982
Speaker 1: down in the lobby and Jack Black would just be

732
00:35:02,982 --> 00:35:05,501
Speaker 1: getting at Zooberriots, or like Paul Rudd would walk past

733
00:35:05,542 --> 00:35:08,421
Speaker 1: and they're filming Anaconda there. So there were I had.

734
00:35:08,502 --> 00:35:11,382
Speaker 1: I had breakfast with this. I'm bumped into someone over breakfast.

735
00:35:11,382 --> 00:35:12,901
Speaker 1: I was with Bruno. She's like, oh, this is Nina,

736
00:35:12,982 --> 00:35:14,982
Speaker 1: my friend. She's just arrived from LA I'm like, oh, hi,

737
00:35:15,302 --> 00:35:17,301
Speaker 1: thought she was a production assistant or something. We were

738
00:35:17,302 --> 00:35:20,221
Speaker 1: just chatting having breakfast, and then I went up and

739
00:35:20,221 --> 00:35:22,462
Speaker 1: looked up her in my Nina Dobrev.

740
00:35:22,701 --> 00:35:24,261
Speaker 2: She's got dress, going to look her out.

741
00:35:24,342 --> 00:35:26,902
Speaker 1: Vampire Dara's twenty seven million followers, and I just was like,

742
00:35:26,942 --> 00:35:30,582
Speaker 1: it's Nina from Breakfast. But it was just so lovely,

743
00:35:30,622 --> 00:35:35,462
Speaker 1: and I had some really lovely conversations with really interesting women,

744
00:35:35,701 --> 00:35:37,701
Speaker 1: particularly women in my own age, Imagen Banks, who was

745
00:35:37,701 --> 00:35:39,982
Speaker 1: an amazing producer, Jane Kennedy, who was there because Working

746
00:35:39,982 --> 00:35:42,942
Speaker 1: Dog got a whole lot of awards Auster of course.

747
00:35:43,181 --> 00:35:45,181
Speaker 1: And I just had a lovely, lovely time and it

748
00:35:45,261 --> 00:35:48,782
Speaker 1: was fun. My worst two worst.

749
00:35:48,862 --> 00:35:49,542
Speaker 2: The first is.

750
00:35:49,502 --> 00:35:53,782
Speaker 1: That someone from the Actors accidentally posted the night before

751
00:35:54,382 --> 00:35:58,102
Speaker 1: the Tiles congratulating the winners on their Instagram account for

752
00:35:58,221 --> 00:36:02,622
Speaker 1: three categories, including ours. Right, so you knew, we knew

753
00:36:02,622 --> 00:36:05,262
Speaker 1: that we'd lost the night before, did.

754
00:36:05,142 --> 00:36:07,261
Speaker 2: You were you attempted to like just turn around and

755
00:36:07,261 --> 00:36:09,502
Speaker 2: come home. Well, that's too much investment.

756
00:36:10,181 --> 00:36:12,261
Speaker 1: Of the Strife people who hadn't gone on the plane yet,

757
00:36:12,261 --> 00:36:13,622
Speaker 1: and so we were going to go, you know what.

758
00:36:13,781 --> 00:36:16,181
Speaker 1: But it ended up being fun and fine anyway, and

759
00:36:16,221 --> 00:36:18,221
Speaker 1: I did feel sorry for whoever that poor person was.

760
00:36:18,422 --> 00:36:20,221
Speaker 1: We lost to fisk. We actually thought we were going

761
00:36:20,261 --> 00:36:22,742
Speaker 1: to lose to callin from accounts, but we lost a fisk,

762
00:36:22,942 --> 00:36:26,382
Speaker 1: which is a terrific Thanks for your support.

763
00:36:26,942 --> 00:36:27,941
Speaker 2: I love Strife. Too.

764
00:36:29,422 --> 00:36:32,741
Speaker 1: Robbie Williams performed. Robbie Williams walked past Robbie Williams and

765
00:36:32,781 --> 00:36:38,142
Speaker 1: Russell Krust. He sang angels. It was beautiful. He's so cool.

766
00:36:38,422 --> 00:36:41,022
Speaker 1: His film Better Man, where he's played by Chimp, it

767
00:36:41,102 --> 00:36:42,902
Speaker 1: won something. And he got up and he did a

768
00:36:42,942 --> 00:36:45,261
Speaker 1: speech after the director and he pulled out this big

769
00:36:45,261 --> 00:36:50,982
Speaker 1: piece of paper and he goes, I'd like to thank drugs, alcohol, addiction, ADHD,

770
00:36:51,502 --> 00:36:55,862
Speaker 1: body dysmorphia, crippling and security. Without all of these things,

771
00:36:55,902 --> 00:36:57,022
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had a career.

772
00:36:57,062 --> 00:36:59,341
Speaker 2: He's very I also feel like he could be part

773
00:36:59,382 --> 00:37:01,062
Speaker 2: of your wardrobe inspiration.

774
00:37:02,862 --> 00:37:07,102
Speaker 1: With a beautiful brooch. My worst, because I'm a relatable queen,

775
00:37:07,582 --> 00:37:10,021
Speaker 1: is that I can't find my red carpet style. Please

776
00:37:10,062 --> 00:37:12,742
Speaker 1: tell me, And I need to find my red carpet.

777
00:37:12,342 --> 00:37:17,622
Speaker 3: Style because you you because so much shit on people

778
00:37:17,622 --> 00:37:19,982
Speaker 3: on the red carpet, Taylor needs to evolve her red

779
00:37:19,982 --> 00:37:21,902
Speaker 3: carpet style. Well, what's your style?

780
00:37:22,462 --> 00:37:25,501
Speaker 1: I can't find it. So for those who lived through

781
00:37:25,542 --> 00:37:29,422
Speaker 1: my Logi's wardrobe drama, when I tried on forty things

782
00:37:29,422 --> 00:37:31,422
Speaker 1: in the hour before I was due to be on

783
00:37:31,261 --> 00:37:35,661
Speaker 1: the carpet, as they say, as we say. I think

784
00:37:35,701 --> 00:37:38,381
Speaker 1: it's because it's not like I'm there so much as

785
00:37:38,422 --> 00:37:42,221
Speaker 1: a d list hanger on that it feels ridiculous to

786
00:37:42,261 --> 00:37:44,582
Speaker 1: go all out. And as you know, also, red carpet

787
00:37:44,661 --> 00:37:47,181
Speaker 1: dressing is my least favorite because it's just not that interesting.

788
00:37:47,661 --> 00:37:49,942
Speaker 1: And I loved looking at everyone else and people looked

789
00:37:50,261 --> 00:37:53,582
Speaker 1: so great and so amazing. I ended up buying a

790
00:37:53,701 --> 00:37:57,622
Speaker 1: dress from Q which was really nice. Actually bought two dresses,

791
00:37:57,781 --> 00:38:00,382
Speaker 1: one that I took back. I just sent you guys

792
00:38:00,542 --> 00:38:03,982
Speaker 1: pictures of boken like. The dress was lovely. I just

793
00:38:03,982 --> 00:38:04,902
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it was me.

794
00:38:05,261 --> 00:38:07,542
Speaker 2: I thought you looked amazing, but it didn't. It was

795
00:38:07,622 --> 00:38:09,142
Speaker 2: quite fitted, which is very rough.

796
00:38:09,781 --> 00:38:12,381
Speaker 1: It was a red carpetress or a suit person, I

797
00:38:12,382 --> 00:38:14,622
Speaker 1: think so too. And I saw Sarachella, who's the writer

798
00:38:14,741 --> 00:38:17,142
Speaker 1: on Stripe. She was wearing this like suit and she

799
00:38:17,181 --> 00:38:19,181
Speaker 1: looked really cool, and I just thought, I've got to

800
00:38:19,261 --> 00:38:22,022
Speaker 1: find yeah, And then someone said they were in the

801
00:38:22,102 --> 00:38:24,341
Speaker 1: added ours shop and added us have done a ball

802
00:38:24,422 --> 00:38:26,781
Speaker 1: gown and I'm thinking of investigating that.

803
00:38:26,902 --> 00:38:28,262
Speaker 2: Oh my god, can.

804
00:38:28,142 --> 00:38:30,861
Speaker 3: You please post what you wore on the mummya out

805
00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:31,422
Speaker 3: loud Instagram?

806
00:38:31,661 --> 00:38:33,861
Speaker 1: So I'll also post what I didn't wear the dress

807
00:38:33,902 --> 00:38:34,261
Speaker 1: that I.

808
00:38:34,221 --> 00:38:38,741
Speaker 2: Took back, so they added us ballgann Yeah, I'll put

809
00:38:38,741 --> 00:38:39,181
Speaker 2: it all up.

810
00:38:39,822 --> 00:38:43,182
Speaker 3: My worst is that we have entered Look, we probably

811
00:38:43,261 --> 00:38:44,861
Speaker 3: have a while ago, but I think we've entered into

812
00:38:44,902 --> 00:38:47,542
Speaker 3: our tantra mirror. The other night we got home, we

813
00:38:47,582 --> 00:38:48,582
Speaker 3: had a bit of a meltdown.

814
00:38:48,661 --> 00:38:49,502
Speaker 2: This is you, is it?

815
00:38:49,622 --> 00:38:52,301
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, exactly right. It was just a really overwhelming day.

816
00:38:52,822 --> 00:38:55,742
Speaker 3: Luna cried and you know, when you know they're fine,

817
00:38:55,822 --> 00:38:57,781
Speaker 3: it's like there's no pain, there's not nothing that she wants.

818
00:38:57,862 --> 00:39:00,741
Speaker 3: But she just cried for an hour. And when we

819
00:39:00,822 --> 00:39:03,741
Speaker 3: finally got her to calm down, you know, when your

820
00:39:03,781 --> 00:39:06,582
Speaker 3: nervous system just feels so assaulted, it was like, I

821
00:39:06,661 --> 00:39:09,941
Speaker 3: don't think I've taken a breath in an hour. It's

822
00:39:10,022 --> 00:39:12,661
Speaker 3: like so confronting because.

823
00:39:12,422 --> 00:39:15,181
Speaker 1: It feels also awful on the inside of that tantrum.

824
00:39:15,542 --> 00:39:15,781
Speaker 2: Yeah.

825
00:39:15,902 --> 00:39:18,861
Speaker 1: I know, yes, system, he likes to.

826
00:39:18,902 --> 00:39:21,542
Speaker 2: Have them, but it's so true about your nervous system.

827
00:39:21,661 --> 00:39:23,461
Speaker 2: This is something br and I talk about a lot,

828
00:39:23,661 --> 00:39:25,422
Speaker 2: is that even as the kids get bigger, but like

829
00:39:25,542 --> 00:39:27,582
Speaker 2: you can walk away from one of those incidents, but

830
00:39:27,661 --> 00:39:30,942
Speaker 2: you don't actually decompress from it. No ages, and you

831
00:39:30,982 --> 00:39:31,741
Speaker 2: have to figure out what.

832
00:39:31,701 --> 00:39:33,542
Speaker 3: To do with that exactly exactly.

833
00:39:33,822 --> 00:39:36,062
Speaker 1: That's what the whole emotional regulation thing is.

834
00:39:36,142 --> 00:39:40,502
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and my best has been we discovered I

835
00:39:40,542 --> 00:39:41,582
Speaker 3: can't believe it took a system.

836
00:39:41,622 --> 00:39:43,462
Speaker 2: I have one more question about tantrum. Yes, has there

837
00:39:43,462 --> 00:39:45,862
Speaker 2: been a public one yet? That's particularly fun.

838
00:39:45,902 --> 00:39:48,701
Speaker 3: You know what's not great is the leaving the park.

839
00:39:49,062 --> 00:39:51,261
Speaker 3: There's been a few instances of leaving the park and

840
00:39:51,261 --> 00:39:52,582
Speaker 3: there's kicking and all that kind of stuff.

841
00:39:52,622 --> 00:39:54,142
Speaker 1: And what's my favorite part of the park.

842
00:39:56,142 --> 00:39:57,901
Speaker 3: When you've got a little baby, you know how there's

843
00:39:57,942 --> 00:40:00,462
Speaker 3: that stage where sometimes I just cry all day. Right,

844
00:40:00,542 --> 00:40:02,462
Speaker 3: that's one thing. But when they get a bit older,

845
00:40:02,781 --> 00:40:06,181
Speaker 3: they're so strong that they can thrash. I find that

846
00:40:06,302 --> 00:40:08,422
Speaker 3: a lot harder. There was a tantrum in the doctor

847
00:40:08,462 --> 00:40:10,942
Speaker 3: the other day. Actually, we're she totally lost it and

848
00:40:10,982 --> 00:40:13,462
Speaker 3: you're just like, what do you do like it? Because

849
00:40:13,462 --> 00:40:16,582
Speaker 3: you can't wrangle no, no, exactly, You've just got to

850
00:40:16,582 --> 00:40:18,181
Speaker 3: cop it and be the mum walking down the street

851
00:40:18,221 --> 00:40:21,942
Speaker 3: with the screaming child ignoring them. My best is that

852
00:40:21,982 --> 00:40:25,461
Speaker 3: we have discovered this water play area around the corner

853
00:40:25,542 --> 00:40:27,902
Speaker 3: from our house. And we've only just discovered it. It

854
00:40:27,942 --> 00:40:31,062
Speaker 3: has changed our whole summer. We have been going almost

855
00:40:31,102 --> 00:40:34,342
Speaker 3: every day, sometimes with cousin Matilda, but Luca and I

856
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Speaker 3: ended up there on a Saturday morning. It's so much

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Speaker 3: simpler than like the beach, all the things that you

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Speaker 3: need for the beach has just got these fountains that

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Speaker 3: spew up water and Luna just runs around and we

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Speaker 3: looked at each other. One morning it was like ten am,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, I cannot think of a better

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Speaker 3: way to spend a morning than watching she was so

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Speaker 3: happy running around. And Mom never gives me parenting advice,

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Speaker 3: but the one thing she said that I think is

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Speaker 3: very true is nothing resets a child like water.

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Speaker 2: True. Put them in water really good back to emotional regulation.

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Speaker 2: If you's got a kid who struggles with that, put

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Speaker 2: them in water is a very good piece of advice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mum has said that. It like three ten eaching

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Speaker 3: and stuff. Sometimes it's literally running a tap and sometimes

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Speaker 3: she'll put Luna's little hands under the tap or something

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Speaker 3: and it just it really helps it like calms and

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Speaker 3: focuses them. And so seeing her runner, she's in a

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Speaker 3: totally different mood when we get back from the water fountains.

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Speaker 3: So that has just been because she's at that.

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Speaker 1: Age where she wants to get out of the house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, climbing the walls. So you've got to find activities

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Speaker 3: that aren't just swing.

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00:41:31,982 --> 00:41:35,301
Speaker 2: So many activities out loud as. That is it from

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Speaker 2: us on this Friday, and indeed for our week a

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out loud as. Always, a massive thank you

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Speaker 2: to you for being here with us. Read this out,

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Speaker 2: Jesse and Miya.

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Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team group executive producer

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Speaker 3: Ruth Devine, executive producer Emmeline Gazillis.

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Speaker 1: Our audio producer is Leah Porgies, and video producer Josh Green,

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Speaker 1: who is a fellow Libra and he's also a queen

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Speaker 1: arman in the bread department.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that our m is a Scorpio.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean throw any shade at scorpio's but I

892
00:42:03,462 --> 00:42:06,821
Speaker 2: always think of scorpios as being quite like stingy, and

893
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Speaker 2: em is not stingy at all.

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00:42:08,382 --> 00:42:09,302
Speaker 3: Do you mean stingy?

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00:42:09,661 --> 00:42:11,741
Speaker 2: No, Like I mean like they've got a sting in

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00:42:11,781 --> 00:42:15,661
Speaker 2: that tale, a stinger like they're pretty good with outing.

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00:42:16,462 --> 00:42:19,622
Speaker 2: She's compl but I'm going to dispute it anyway.

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Speaker 1: Hard to digest out louders, we're still here, and if

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Speaker 1: you want to hear more from us and you aren't

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Speaker 1: ready to say goodbye, we were going to leave you

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Speaker 1: with a bit of our conversation we had on the

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Speaker 1: subscriber episode about how we are managing self care when

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Speaker 1: we've had a year's worth of news in February alone.

904
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Speaker 1: So if you're feeling exhausted, we are too. Have a

905
00:42:41,781 --> 00:42:43,462
Speaker 1: listen to this, and if you want to hear the

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Speaker 1: full episode, there's a link in the show notes out Louders.

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Speaker 1: This is a dilemma episode, and it's a dilemma of

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00:42:50,382 --> 00:42:53,142
Speaker 1: mine and it might be a dilemma of yours too,

909
00:42:53,302 --> 00:42:58,301
Speaker 1: because it's only February. The something like, we're not even

910
00:42:58,342 --> 00:43:02,062
Speaker 1: halfway through February, and there has been probably more news

911
00:43:02,102 --> 00:43:05,181
Speaker 1: in February than there was usually in the whole year,

912
00:43:05,902 --> 00:43:10,301
Speaker 1: and upsetting news, terrible news. Donald Trump mostly is responsible

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00:43:10,342 --> 00:43:12,902
Speaker 1: for this, things that are coming out of the US

914
00:43:12,942 --> 00:43:16,542
Speaker 1: and Elon. Then you've got Kanye saying all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: There's the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. But I want

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Speaker 1: to focus today on Trump and Elon and American politics

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00:43:24,062 --> 00:43:26,701
Speaker 1: and what's happening in America. Because I want to ask

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00:43:26,741 --> 00:43:30,301
Speaker 1: you both how you are managing self care in this era.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not even being facetious because as it out

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Speaker 1: louders know bye everybody by shout out to any Mum

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Speaker 1: and Maya subscribers listening. If you love the show and

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00:43:41,741 --> 00:43:44,221
Speaker 1: want to support us as well, subscribing to Mom and

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00:43:44,261 --> 00:43:46,462
Speaker 1: Maya is the very best way to do so. There

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Speaker 1: is a link in the episode description