WEBVTT - Why Leigh Sales Really Quit 0:00:23.220 --> 0:00:27.720 there's a lot, you don't know about lee sales sure. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.790 You know that she's possibly the most outstanding journalist of 0:00:30.790 --> 0:00:35.270 her generation, but she's been hosting the abc's flagship news 0:00:35.270 --> 0:00:39.160 and current affairs program 7 30 for 12 years where 0:00:39.160 --> 0:00:43.330 she's interviewed five sitting prime ministers, several ex prime ministers 0:00:43.340 --> 0:00:46.420 and every celebrity and sports person you've ever heard of. 0:00:46.430 --> 0:00:51.030 You also probably know that she's Australia's most famous redhead 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.540 and that she's a podcast icon. Thanks to the show 0:00:54.540 --> 0:00:57.490 that she co hosts with her friend Annabelle crab called 0:00:57.490 --> 0:01:00.920 chat 10 Looks Three. You might also know that she's 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.820 written several best selling books, including any ordinary day. I 0:01:05.820 --> 0:01:07.830 bought at least a dozen copies of that book to 0:01:07.830 --> 0:01:11.320 give to people after they've experienced sudden tragedies because it 0:01:11.320 --> 0:01:14.820 is one of the most brilliant and helpful books that 0:01:14.820 --> 0:01:18.150 I've ever read. All that stuff. It's well and truly 0:01:18.150 --> 0:01:19.340 on the public record. 0:01:19.550 --> 0:01:22.810 But do you know that she's a single mother, that 0:01:22.810 --> 0:01:27.440 she nearly died during childbirth, that she knows virtually nothing 0:01:27.450 --> 0:01:30.890 about sport, but has had amusing text banter with everyone 0:01:30.890 --> 0:01:34.620 from Shane warne to Justin Langer after she interviewed them 0:01:34.630 --> 0:01:37.800 or that she nearly lost her mind with excitement when 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.600 she got to interview paul McCartney because you also probably 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.840 didn't know that she is a massive music nerd and 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.970 she loves nothing more than to open her piano at 0:01:46.970 --> 0:01:49.040 home and bang out a show tune. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.490 You probably didn't know that both john howard and Malcolm 0:01:52.490 --> 0:01:56.700 Turnbull both called her to express their condolences after her 0:01:56.700 --> 0:01:59.350 father died very suddenly a few years ago 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.520 And did you know that she didn't use serums until 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.420 a couple of weeks ago when I shamed her into 0:02:05.420 --> 0:02:09.190 taking better care of her skin at age 48 and 0:02:09.190 --> 0:02:13.000 demanded that she started using both vitamin C and retinol. 0:02:13.580 --> 0:02:16.060 I know a lot about lee sales because after meeting 0:02:16.060 --> 0:02:19.350 on twitter around a decade ago, she has become one 0:02:19.350 --> 0:02:22.850 of my closest and most beloved friends. This is the 0:02:22.850 --> 0:02:25.760 fourth time she's been a guest on no filter and 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.810 not even Glennon Doyle or Liz Gilbert has been on 0:02:28.810 --> 0:02:31.910 that many times, which says a lot about how interestingly 0:02:31.910 --> 0:02:35.060 sales is. So why again, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.350 What everyone wants to know most about Lee sales right 0:02:39.350 --> 0:02:43.370 now is why she's leaving the most high profile and 0:02:43.370 --> 0:02:48.070 prestigious job in Australian journalism. Why is she walking away 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:52.370 from hosting 730 when she is in arguably on top 0:02:52.380 --> 0:02:56.300 of her game. Is it the trolls, is it work 0:02:56.300 --> 0:02:58.630 life balance? Was she canceled? 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.370 Is she in fact having extensive plastic surgery so that 0:03:03.370 --> 0:03:06.300 she can retreat from the public eye for a life 0:03:06.310 --> 0:03:07.270 of anonymity, 0:03:08.640 --> 0:03:11.980 lee sales. The people have questions and I'm here to 0:03:11.980 --> 0:03:12.590 ask them. 0:03:13.650 --> 0:03:15.980 When did you find out that you were going to 0:03:15.980 --> 0:03:18.700 be the host of 7 30? Do you remember the 0:03:18.700 --> 0:03:19.360 day 0:03:19.370 --> 0:03:24.250 I do? It was late 2010, I think it was 0:03:24.260 --> 0:03:27.110 maybe late November 2010 0:03:27.290 --> 0:03:30.010 and I had some talks with Mark's got the head 0:03:30.010 --> 0:03:31.760 of the abc at the time and kate Tony who 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.630 was the head of news at the time and I 0:03:34.630 --> 0:03:37.640 wasn't 100% sure that they wanted me to do it. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.390 And then kate rang me to say we'd like you 0:03:40.390 --> 0:03:42.790 to do it and we'd like to be the political editor. 0:03:42.790 --> 0:03:45.890 So it was kind of a new broom coming through 0:03:46.130 --> 0:03:49.670 and it was thrilling because you know, it's such a 0:03:49.670 --> 0:03:54.800 big and key job, but it was also scary because 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.910 I was coming in behind Kerry O'brien who had been 0:03:56.910 --> 0:03:59.470 doing it for a really, really long time and I 0:03:59.470 --> 0:04:02.230 have such a different kind of vibe to carry. It 0:04:02.230 --> 0:04:04.140 was like, okay, this is going to be hard. And 0:04:04.140 --> 0:04:06.110 I remember saying to Mark and kate, 0:04:06.420 --> 0:04:08.440 I need you to agree that you'll back me in 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.870 for three years because I think the audience will need 0:04:10.870 --> 0:04:14.710 three years to adapt to having a new person there 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.670 because even, you know, when someone good is replaced by 0:04:17.670 --> 0:04:20.750 somebody good change is hard for television audiences and so 0:04:20.750 --> 0:04:22.560 they were great. So I started out with a three 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.590 year contract so that I had that assurance and it 0:04:25.590 --> 0:04:26.330 was really good. 0:04:26.340 --> 0:04:28.630 But what if you'd been a bit shit 0:04:28.700 --> 0:04:31.190 then, I guess they would have found a way out 0:04:31.190 --> 0:04:31.290 of 0:04:31.290 --> 0:04:32.010 it. 0:04:34.590 --> 0:04:38.940 Was it something that you had to audition for? Were 0:04:38.940 --> 0:04:42.530 there a few people in the running for it? What 0:04:42.530 --> 0:04:44.320 were you doing before you took that role? 0:04:44.330 --> 0:04:46.730 So before I was doing it, I was hosting Late 0:04:46.730 --> 0:04:48.800 Line and this was a show that used to go 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.260 to air at 10 30 at night and it was 0:04:50.260 --> 0:04:53.190 shared between myself and Tony jones. He hosted Late Line 0:04:53.190 --> 0:04:54.810 and Q and A. And I did the other days 0:04:54.810 --> 0:04:57.880 of Late Line. And it was a program not dissimilar 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.730 to 7 30 but longer and it had longer interviews. 0:05:00.730 --> 0:05:03.030 So the interviews would always be about 15 minutes, 0:05:03.210 --> 0:05:06.480 which for 7 30 15 minutes is usually something really major. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:07.980 Like I had the head of the reserve bank the 0:05:07.980 --> 0:05:10.000 other day and that was 15 minutes late line, everyone, 0:05:10.010 --> 0:05:13.190 15 minutes. So I was having a lot of practice 0:05:13.190 --> 0:05:14.950 of doing the kinds of things that you do on 0:05:14.950 --> 0:05:16.700 7 30 on late line. So I guess that was 0:05:16.700 --> 0:05:20.370 just an on air, maybe an off broadway kind of audition. 0:05:20.610 --> 0:05:22.980 They knew my work, so I didn't have to audition. 0:05:22.980 --> 0:05:25.350 And usually I think when you get to this level, 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.920 you're only being looked at if you work very well 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.390 known already. And so it was just a case of 0:05:30.390 --> 0:05:32.810 us talking through what I thought of the show at 0:05:32.810 --> 0:05:36.770 the time and what I would like to do. And yeah, 0:05:36.780 --> 0:05:38.150 it kind of went from there. So it was just 0:05:38.150 --> 0:05:39.390 a conversation really. 0:05:39.410 --> 0:05:43.240 It was obviously a big commitment in terms of four 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.430 days a week. What are the hours of 7:30? 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.440 So it's kind of, 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.880 You know, like a lot of media jobs, it's 24/7 really? 0:05:52.890 --> 0:05:56.450 So I wake up in the morning and I immediately 0:05:56.450 --> 0:05:58.600 have to check what's in the news because the mornings 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.220 when you set up the day. So if you need 0:06:00.220 --> 0:06:02.470 reporters on stories straight away or if you need to 0:06:02.470 --> 0:06:04.880 get bids in for people, that's when you're doing. 0:06:04.890 --> 0:06:09.030 So that's quite a busy time from about 66 30. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.190 I'm looking at a lot of newspapers and making calls 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.850 and juggling that now with my kids. And then nine 0:06:14.850 --> 0:06:17.620 am we have an editorial conference call where we're talking 0:06:17.620 --> 0:06:19.970 about what might be on the show and what our 0:06:19.980 --> 0:06:24.040 options are. And then between usually about 9 15 and 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.160 11 o'clock or so. And that's my kind of quiet 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.910 time where I can usually go to the GM or 0:06:27.910 --> 0:06:29.880 do something, depends what I've got going on 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.150 and then things start changing. So, for example, I kept 0:06:33.150 --> 0:06:34.550 you waiting because I was on the phone to the 0:06:34.550 --> 0:06:37.790 executive producer because we just got word that one interview 0:06:37.790 --> 0:06:39.980 we were going for is not happening. But another one is. 0:06:39.990 --> 0:06:42.800 And so Clay, who's acting at the moment, wanted to 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.720 have a quick chat to me about what he thought 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.260 we should touch on the interview. And I was talking 0:06:47.260 --> 0:06:49.430 about what I thought, so now that I know that 0:06:49.430 --> 0:06:53.080 that's my interview, it'll be okay. Now I prep for 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.160 that and then I'm simultaneously prepping for an interview tomorrow 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.130 with Dylan Alcott? So trying to get that out of 0:06:58.130 --> 0:06:58.710 the way 0:06:58.735 --> 0:07:01.685 and then juggling whatever else is on the show and 0:07:01.685 --> 0:07:04.345 then I'll have to make up about four my interviews 0:07:04.345 --> 0:07:07.535 at 5 15 today. And then once I've done that interview, 0:07:07.535 --> 0:07:08.945 then I have a look at the leads for the 0:07:08.945 --> 0:07:11.145 other stories and any other content and we talk about 0:07:11.145 --> 0:07:12.915 any other issues. You might have a quick chat about 0:07:12.915 --> 0:07:15.185 what's coming up tomorrow and then you do the show 0:07:15.185 --> 0:07:18.025 live and then off you go. But between now, 11 0:07:18.025 --> 0:07:21.125 37 30 tonight, all of that could be completely out 0:07:21.125 --> 0:07:24.255 the window because it's dictated by news events. So it's 0:07:24.255 --> 0:07:27.110 a rolling, movable face, basically 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:32.020 when I prepped for our conversation today, my prep involved 0:07:32.030 --> 0:07:34.860 asking in a group chat with you and two other 0:07:34.860 --> 0:07:37.690 of our friends who are journalists, what should my first 0:07:37.690 --> 0:07:38.680 question be? 0:07:39.340 --> 0:07:42.920 How is that different to your process when you're say 0:07:42.930 --> 0:07:44.940 interviewing anyone? 0:07:45.910 --> 0:07:48.350 Do you know what I actually think what you did. 0:07:48.350 --> 0:07:51.640 That is a great process because particularly if you talk 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:56.030 to people who, like, let's say for you, maybe what's 0:07:56.030 --> 0:07:58.620 that group, you think, okay, women like that? That's the 0:07:58.620 --> 0:08:01.720 audience for this podcast. So what they're interested in knowing 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.210 from lee is what my audience would be interested in knowing. 0:08:04.220 --> 0:08:05.470 So I'm doing this. 0:08:05.490 --> 0:08:07.970 It's a very similar thing for 7 30 which is 0:08:07.970 --> 0:08:10.940 I'm thinking, what would the average person sitting at home 0:08:10.940 --> 0:08:13.610 who watches my show like me to ask if they're 0:08:13.610 --> 0:08:16.470 in my position. So I say for example, I mentioned 0:08:16.470 --> 0:08:18.390 earlier that I interviewed last week, the Governor of the 0:08:18.390 --> 0:08:21.770 Reserve Bank feel though it's unprecedented basically for him to 0:08:21.770 --> 0:08:25.070 do a Tv interview like that. So I was thinking okay, 0:08:25.370 --> 0:08:27.750 what are people thinking about and how I inform myself 0:08:27.750 --> 0:08:29.520 for that is I talk to my friends who are 0:08:29.530 --> 0:08:33.100 in politics and the media, I have lots of conversations 0:08:33.100 --> 0:08:35.060 with if I'm at the local cafe, the guy who's 0:08:35.060 --> 0:08:37.440 working behind there are asking, how is business going? And 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.830 is he worried about interest rates or if I'm sitting 0:08:39.830 --> 0:08:41.490 in a doctor's surgery or if I'm in a cab 0:08:41.490 --> 0:08:41.690 or what, 0:08:41.895 --> 0:08:44.585 I just talked to people all the time so that 0:08:44.585 --> 0:08:47.305 I have a sense of what regular people think about, 0:08:47.305 --> 0:08:51.785 not people like me who consume media all day every day. 0:08:51.795 --> 0:08:54.435 So I guess it's the equivalent of like a WhatsApp 0:08:54.435 --> 0:08:57.145 group chat, but just on a bigger kind of real 0:08:57.145 --> 0:08:58.180 life scale, 0:08:58.820 --> 0:09:03.500 you interview everyone from Prime Ministers to sports people to 0:09:03.510 --> 0:09:06.950 the Beatles. You know, paul McCartney, there are some of 0:09:06.950 --> 0:09:09.940 those topics that you know more about and some of 0:09:09.940 --> 0:09:13.310 those that you know less about the sport. How do 0:09:13.310 --> 0:09:15.660 you prep like, you know, on the day of the 0:09:15.660 --> 0:09:18.560 Melbourne Cup, you usually have to interview the winner. How 0:09:18.560 --> 0:09:21.010 do you prep for that? You know nothing about horse racing. 0:09:21.020 --> 0:09:22.880 You know what's really embarrassing? 0:09:22.890 --> 0:09:25.020 I reckon if you went back and watched all my 0:09:25.020 --> 0:09:28.270 Melbourne Cup interviews over the years, it's probably about the 0:09:28.270 --> 0:09:31.720 same four questions. It'll be like, what was going through 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.690 your mind in that final 100 m and? Well, it's 0:09:35.690 --> 0:09:37.820 just such an amazing thing to win. I mean, you 0:09:37.820 --> 0:09:40.130 must be so thrilled, but it's kind of like prepping 0:09:40.130 --> 0:09:43.850 for anything in that everyone always has their own individual story. So, 0:09:43.850 --> 0:09:46.000 with Melbourne Cup, it's always a real relief if you 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:46.950 discover that 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.640 the jockeys just come back from an accident or Michelle 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.720 Payne was the best ever because it was a female 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.010 jockey and her brother was this trapper and their dad 0:09:54.010 --> 0:09:56.840 and their mom had died was a great story. So 0:09:56.850 --> 0:10:00.190 you had a lot to work with where it's sport 0:10:00.190 --> 0:10:03.940 is harder for me, if it's more technical about what 0:10:03.940 --> 0:10:07.120 was involved in the race rather than the person's human story. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.610 And usually I'm trying to pull it onto the human 0:10:09.620 --> 0:10:10.210 terrain 0:10:11.030 --> 0:10:13.920 and not everyone at home knows about the intricacies of 0:10:13.930 --> 0:10:15.830 horse racing, they want to connect with the story as 0:10:15.830 --> 0:10:18.080 a human being. And I think, you know, whether it's 0:10:18.090 --> 0:10:19.790 the governor of the Reserve bank or the person who 0:10:19.790 --> 0:10:21.780 run the Melbourne Cup, if you can find a way 0:10:21.780 --> 0:10:24.620 to talk on a level that everyone else who's not 0:10:24.620 --> 0:10:27.800 an expert in that field can relate to, then you're 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.270 on much better terrain. So for example, sometimes I'll send 0:10:31.270 --> 0:10:33.870 back when I was more in news and occasionally I'm 0:10:33.870 --> 0:10:35.090 feeling as a news reader, 0:10:35.530 --> 0:10:37.840 I sometimes send back a lead to people in support 0:10:37.850 --> 0:10:40.010 because I go, I can't even tell what sport this 0:10:40.010 --> 0:10:42.730 is about because it would be the boomers smashed the 0:10:42.730 --> 0:10:48.840 opals in a thrilling touchdown. What sport is this and 0:10:48.850 --> 0:10:51.490 say there's so much jargon in sport and so much 0:10:51.590 --> 0:10:54.810 knowledge and same with finance, like the footsie and hung 0:10:56.006 --> 0:10:57.726 what like I don't know what that means. 0:10:57.736 --> 0:11:00.856 So it's always about walking in the shoes of the 0:11:00.856 --> 0:11:03.996 audience and not bringing assumed knowledge. 0:11:04.006 --> 0:11:07.246 I think so or some things you can kind of 0:11:07.246 --> 0:11:09.526 assume I guess like you can assume that people know 0:11:09.526 --> 0:11:12.746 who Shane warne is maybe, but maybe you want to 0:11:12.746 --> 0:11:15.846 try to explain why is Shane warne such a famous cricketer, 0:11:15.846 --> 0:11:16.466 Like people who 0:11:16.482 --> 0:11:19.112 I don't know about cricket, they might not quite understand 0:11:19.122 --> 0:11:22.782 what made him different to a regular cricketer. So I 0:11:22.782 --> 0:11:26.152 try really hard, particularly with subjects I know really well, 0:11:26.152 --> 0:11:31.912 like say foreign policy or trashy television, try not assume 0:11:31.912 --> 0:11:34.682 that everybody else knows. What do I know about it 0:11:34.692 --> 0:11:36.960 when you're interviewing those people, 0:11:37.250 --> 0:11:41.000 it's only politicians who are the ones that usually push back. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.890 Although that's maybe not true. You've had to do some, 0:11:43.900 --> 0:11:47.900 I won't say antagonistic, but usually when you're interviewing someone 0:11:47.910 --> 0:11:53.000 they won't try and deliberately mislead, you divert you filibuster 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.430 you what are the specific approaches that you need to 0:11:56.430 --> 0:11:58.430 take when you're interviewing a politician. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:05.120 So a politician usually defers to a regular interviewee in that, 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.350 you know, that they're not going to engage in an 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.790 open kind of way, you know, they're not going to 0:12:11.790 --> 0:12:13.860 let you in on everything that's going on behind the scenes, 0:12:13.860 --> 0:12:15.460 they're going to have a message that they're going to 0:12:15.460 --> 0:12:19.150 want to try to get out. And sometimes it's interesting 0:12:19.150 --> 0:12:21.130 to know what their message is. So safe for exam, 0:12:21.513 --> 0:12:24.363 Anthony Albanese is due to come on 7 30 next 0:12:24.363 --> 0:12:26.963 week for his first interview as Prime Minister. And so 0:12:26.963 --> 0:12:29.033 I haven't interviewed him before. He hasn't been in the 0:12:29.033 --> 0:12:31.733 job long, so he doesn't have a record. So it 0:12:31.733 --> 0:12:35.233 won't be an interview where it's not an accountability interview, 0:12:35.233 --> 0:12:36.743 where he's not going to be under pressure. Like a 0:12:36.743 --> 0:12:39.963 regular political interview, it'll be an interview where I'm trying 0:12:39.963 --> 0:12:43.150 to actually hear what Anthony Albanese 0:12:43.166 --> 0:12:46.496 messages and what his ambitions are for his term, because 0:12:46.496 --> 0:12:48.786 if I were remaining as anchor of 7 30 I'd 0:12:48.786 --> 0:12:51.226 be using that interview for the next three years as 0:12:51.226 --> 0:12:55.296 my kind of flag poles in the ground interview to see, Well, 0:12:55.306 --> 0:12:57.746 right at the start, you said that this is what 0:12:57.746 --> 0:12:59.906 you wanted to do and what you wanted to achieve. 0:12:59.916 --> 0:13:01.596 You are at point A and now we're at point 0:13:01.596 --> 0:13:03.536 z how did you get so far off what you 0:13:03.536 --> 0:13:05.186 said you were going to do, kind of thing. 0:13:05.560 --> 0:13:09.160 So sometimes you do want to hear what their message 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.590 is and what they're saying and then other times you 0:13:11.590 --> 0:13:14.840 want to get to the bottom of a change in 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.380 policy or something that they've done wrong and so I'll 0:13:18.380 --> 0:13:21.280 try to arm myself with facts to then rebut what 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.080 I think there's been, you know, might be, whereas with 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.940 a normal person say preferred politicians is not normal, 0:13:28.340 --> 0:13:32.190 but like Dylan Alcott for example, I mentioned before that 0:13:32.190 --> 0:13:35.080 I'm prepping for an interview tomorrow. Now Dylan Alcott is 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.030 a really great talker. He's very charismatic and charming. And 0:13:39.030 --> 0:13:43.280 so I assume if I ask interesting, engaging questions that 0:13:43.290 --> 0:13:47.190 perk up Dylan's interest and if we have nice rapport 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.890 that I'm not going to have to work very hard 0:13:49.900 --> 0:13:51.110 as an interviewer, I'm just going to 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.040 have to give him a gentle steer in the right direction. 0:13:54.050 --> 0:13:56.840 Listen to what he's saying and respond so that it 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.790 feels like a natural kind of conversation. So every interview 0:14:00.790 --> 0:14:03.840 that I go into, I'm thinking, okay, what's the tone 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.170 I need with this? How do I make this person 0:14:06.170 --> 0:14:09.880 feel at ease or how do I achieve? You know, again, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.760 what the average person at home might want to see 0:14:12.770 --> 0:14:13.890 out of this interview 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:19.060 when you went from being I guess a working journalist 0:14:19.070 --> 0:14:23.050 to being more of a star journalist when you started 0:14:23.050 --> 0:14:26.820 hosting 7 30 you were in people's lounge rooms four 0:14:26.820 --> 0:14:29.860 nights a week plus on all the promo s plus 0:14:29.860 --> 0:14:33.080 in the media everywhere and ads and all of those things, 0:14:33.930 --> 0:14:38.310 When did you notice the transition between people? I mean, 0:14:38.310 --> 0:14:39.510 I imagine you had a little bit of it when 0:14:39.510 --> 0:14:42.040 you were hosting Late line, but it was really like 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:46.580 prime time a list. How did you notice the transition 0:14:46.590 --> 0:14:50.910 about how you were perceived, how people interacted with you 0:14:50.910 --> 0:14:52.520 becoming a famous person? 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.670 So the longer I've done it, the more this has 0:14:56.670 --> 0:15:00.010 become notable to me. So now I would rarely leave 0:15:00.010 --> 0:15:02.030 the house and not have somebody come up to me 0:15:02.030 --> 0:15:03.310 and want to chat to me, I want to have 0:15:03.310 --> 0:15:06.090 a selfie or whatever. So whereas the first few years 0:15:06.090 --> 0:15:08.490 I felt kind of like I still could go out 0:15:08.490 --> 0:15:11.680 and not be noticed, maybe I was kidding myself, because 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.700 sometimes what happens is I'll sit in a cafe and 0:15:14.700 --> 0:15:16.610 no one will say something, and then on social media 0:15:16.610 --> 0:15:18.560 later someone might go, oh I just saw you sitting 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.050 in a cafe and I didn't want to say anything, 0:15:20.050 --> 0:15:21.140 but you know, blah blah blah. 0:15:21.390 --> 0:15:24.000 So maybe I was more noticed than I thought, but 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.820 I have become very conscious of it and it might 0:15:25.820 --> 0:15:28.960 also be because I'm leaving. So now people are just 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:30.460 so lovely because they want to come up and they 0:15:30.460 --> 0:15:31.800 want to go, I just want to say thank you 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.130 very much and you know that kind of thing, and 0:15:34.130 --> 0:15:36.660 also just the range of people now who come up 0:15:36.660 --> 0:15:38.820 to me like it can be quite young people in 0:15:38.820 --> 0:15:41.740 their late teens or early twenties, it can be older 0:15:41.740 --> 0:15:45.680 people that you perceive as more traditional abc viewers was 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.070 walking down George Street the other night on a friday 0:15:48.070 --> 0:15:50.460 night at about 10 30 0:15:50.700 --> 0:15:52.520 and there was this group of young guys, I would 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.500 have never thought they knew who I was, and one 0:15:54.500 --> 0:15:58.220 of them yelled out, oh my God, lisa, I love you, 0:15:59.150 --> 0:16:02.070 it was just like, wow, I so did not receive 0:16:02.070 --> 0:16:05.340 you guys as my demographic at the low, jeez, it's 0:16:05.350 --> 0:16:08.540 often really weird because you're mixing with all these other 0:16:08.550 --> 0:16:10.690 famous people from other networks and so the people who 0:16:10.690 --> 0:16:14.590 sometimes out themselves as major fans is really surprising to me. 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.820 So one leg is a few years ago I was 0:16:16.820 --> 0:16:19.370 going to the toilet and I bumped into Gary sweet 0:16:19.380 --> 0:16:20.160 and he stopped him 0:16:20.500 --> 0:16:23.890 like oh my God, I am, I cannot believe I 0:16:23.890 --> 0:16:25.550 bumped into you, oh my God, I'm your biggest fan 0:16:25.550 --> 0:16:28.180 and he was really awkward. And then this loge, do 0:16:28.180 --> 0:16:30.890 you know the actor James Stewart who is on the way? 0:16:30.900 --> 0:16:35.320 So georgie parker, like Australian television royalty came up to 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.330 me and went, I'm really sorry to disturb you but 0:16:38.340 --> 0:16:40.550 James is your biggest fan and could he please get 0:16:40.550 --> 0:16:41.850 a photo with you, I'll take it, 0:16:43.230 --> 0:16:47.140 that's just like that's completely fine, no problem. And so 0:16:47.140 --> 0:16:49.280 we got lee, oh my God, it's so great to 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.640 meet you, it's embarrassing. So he was just like, awkward 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.660 fan going and then we kind of moved through and 0:16:55.660 --> 0:16:58.110 ended up colliding again at the other end and I 0:16:58.110 --> 0:17:00.820 said to him, I'm just always amazed that somebody like 0:17:00.820 --> 0:17:02.550 you would even know who I am. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.260 And so he was like, mom raised us, right? We 0:17:06.260 --> 0:17:10.140 watched 7 30 so yeah, so that was a classic. 0:17:10.140 --> 0:17:13.210 So sometimes you kind of surprised by it was a 0:17:13.210 --> 0:17:16.820 big fan. I remember interviewing Guy Pearce in 2011 when 0:17:16.820 --> 0:17:18.970 I was first in the show and because you know, 0:17:18.970 --> 0:17:21.700 I grew up in that neighbors era, you know, he 0:17:21.700 --> 0:17:23.520 was such a heartthrob when we were kids. And when 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.270 I walked in, he clearly was a massive viewer and 0:17:27.270 --> 0:17:29.670 fan of Late line and to the degree where he 0:17:29.670 --> 0:17:31.680 was like, he was still married at the time he 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:32.340 was saying, 0:17:32.590 --> 0:17:35.360 okay. And I noticed that you've changed your hair and 0:17:35.360 --> 0:17:37.360 you used to have the short bob on late line, 0:17:37.360 --> 0:17:40.550 They've grown longer and we're wondering why, because I looked 0:17:40.550 --> 0:17:43.120 too much like Julia Gillard with the short red bob. 0:17:43.130 --> 0:17:46.060 We sat around yapping for ages after the interview. And 0:17:46.060 --> 0:17:48.270 then we caught up again in 2018, he's just a 0:17:48.270 --> 0:17:50.590 religious viewer, 7 30 0:17:50.980 --> 0:17:53.760 and then we stayed friends because we just hit it 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.720 off and we were buddies. So my mind, I'm like, 0:17:55.730 --> 0:17:57.990 oh my God, Guy Pearce is sitting on film sets 0:17:57.990 --> 0:18:01.960 around the world watching, you know, 7 30 every opportunity candle. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.370 Ben Mendelson is another person who one time we had 0:18:05.370 --> 0:18:07.260 a story and this is lovely when this kind of 0:18:07.260 --> 0:18:10.310 thing happens. Ben Mendelson was in the U. S. Shooting, 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.710 what was the show? Whether it was in the luxury 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.430 kind of hotel that the family runs and 0:18:15.750 --> 0:18:17.210 oh the guy from friday night lights 0:18:18.570 --> 0:18:20.090 and it's like swampy, 0:18:20.450 --> 0:18:22.440 swampy, it's in florida blood, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.070 something something blood 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:29.560 exactly bloodlines. And Ben Mendelsohn's the kind of way with Brother. Anyway, 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:33.420 we had this gorgeous story on the show about this 0:18:33.430 --> 0:18:36.770 kind of disco that was being held for teenagers who 0:18:36.770 --> 0:18:40.050 had disabilities, like all different kind of disabilities and it 0:18:40.050 --> 0:18:42.860 was organized by one of the moms because she said 0:18:43.090 --> 0:18:45.270 they're still teenagers, they still wanna meet somebody that they 0:18:45.270 --> 0:18:47.560 might fancy and have a bit of romance in their 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.460 life but we can't let them go out like normal 0:18:50.460 --> 0:18:53.760 teenagers to easily get taken advantage of and it's just 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.000 not safe. And so we created this disco for them, 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.970 it's a safe kind of space. And so they've got 0:18:57.970 --> 0:18:59.950 a pager and a DJ and stuff. And the kids, 0:18:59.950 --> 0:19:03.030 we had one of our producers Leslie Robinson follow these 0:19:03.030 --> 0:19:06.730 kids through and it was just the most gorgeous story 0:19:06.730 --> 0:19:09.130 and the kids were just so excited, it was just 0:19:09.140 --> 0:19:10.440 absolutely adorable 0:19:10.630 --> 0:19:13.450 and the mom, you know she only had money to 0:19:13.450 --> 0:19:17.480 do one and then Ben Mendelson saw it watching in L. A. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.450