Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and
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Speaker 2: to cancel, the podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes
Speaker 2: and as science charges and sentences to them so that
Speaker 2: we can all move on with our lives. I'm Jesse
Speaker 2: Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stephens. Claire, do you
Speaker 2: have a lazy girl story for us today? I do,
Speaker 2: and this is from a lazy girl called Aphelia. And
Speaker 2: I really like that name. Beautiful. Yeah, it's very Shakespearean.
Speaker 2: It is it is what bit comes up? Okay, justing
Speaker 2: boom of a boom Okay, Aphelia, She says, I have
Speaker 2: a laser girl comvision. Great. She then says she's been
Speaker 2: a regular listener, lovely. A few weeks ago, I was
Speaker 2: out on a walk. I took my phone and my
Speaker 2: debit card with me, knowing I'd want to buy snack
Speaker 2: on my way back home. That's the only reason I
Speaker 2: go for a walk is to also get a snack
Speaker 2: on the way home. Yeah, because it's a walk, and
Speaker 2: then the snack feel secondary, even though the snacks are
Speaker 2: always primary. Yes, yes, she said, my card isn't linked
Speaker 2: to my phone's Apple Pay yet, because admit it's actually
Speaker 2: it's a step. It's a step. But I praise the
Speaker 2: mental load that she's had to have with not having
Speaker 2: Apple Pay. I need someone else to put it on
Speaker 2: my phone, and once it's there, I'll use it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's a step. Nearing the end of my walk,
Speaker 2: I stopped into the shop I'd planned to purchase said
Speaker 2: snack from. However, upon coming to snap, I know I
Speaker 2: can chocolate. However, upon coming to pay, I realized I
Speaker 2: didn't have my card with me, and oh shit, I
Speaker 2: could remember where I'd last felt it in my pocket,
Speaker 2: which was an absolute maximum one hundred meters back along
Speaker 2: the road or I've been walking. The adult thing to
Speaker 2: do would have been to go back and retrieve it. However,
Speaker 2: the prospect of adding an additional potential two hundred meters
Speaker 2: to my walk felt like faster ask Yeah, backtracking, I
Speaker 2: continued on my way home, and I canceled my card.
Speaker 2: She's a lazy girl, God, she managed to Counselor how
Speaker 2: do I want to have done that?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: That's the click of a button on that is it?
Speaker 2: John is quite easy, she said. The follow up admin
Speaker 2: of having to order a new car an update all
Speaker 2: of my automatic payment that's always sent to an older
Speaker 2: dierer yes that have since failed, has been an ongoing pain. However,
Speaker 2: not going back for the lost card still feels like
Speaker 2: the right decision. I respect it and I agree. And
Speaker 2: I had a similar experience recently when we're away and
Speaker 2: I left a petrol station and my husband, who's obsessed
Speaker 2: with banking, said, whatever just happened at that petrol station?
Speaker 2: You were just charged four hundred dollars for petrol, okay, right?
Speaker 2: And I was like it was a machine, So I
Speaker 2: was like, I think I might have paid for the
Speaker 2: petrol before. I don't know. He wanted me to go
Speaker 2: back to the petrol station, and you're kind of like,
Speaker 2: the money's gone, the money's gone. I left forty five
Speaker 2: seconds ago. You want me to turn round and ask
Speaker 2: someone a question about the four hundred dollars I'm weighing
Speaker 2: at up? Am I out of money for this holiday? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Am I turning around?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Whenever I screw up financially in another country by like overpaying,
Speaker 2: getting robbed, for example, I always tell myself I'm contributing
Speaker 2: to a foreign economy. That's a good thing. It's called tourism.
Speaker 2: Look it up.
Speaker 3: You are about to enter the canceled courtroom. The defendants
Speaker 3: are celebrities, the chargers are petty. The rulings are final.
Speaker 2: Today we're talking about Drew Blythe Barrymore. Oh Blythe, because
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Gwyneth Paltrow is Blythe. That's Gwyneth Sorry,
Speaker 2: the forty nine year old actor, television show host, and author.
Speaker 1: Hey, I noticed that you made eye contact with booballs,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm not sure it was her wise
Speaker 1: you were.
Speaker 4: Looking at and that kicking your air.
Speaker 2: Take a sip.
Speaker 4: If you've ever faked it, Oh god, I did it once.
Speaker 4: I wanted to buy my best one Harry met Sally impression. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess it's also a good way to just end it.
Speaker 2: She was born in nineteen seventy five in California to
Speaker 2: actor John Drew Barrymore an aspiring actress Jade Barrymore. Her
Speaker 2: career started at eleven months old. Oh wow, my baby
Speaker 2: is behind that. Oh imagine Luna. She is not No,
Speaker 2: she wouldn't know, she'd cry. She's very shy. When she
Speaker 2: appeared in a dog food commercial, Claire, I would like
Speaker 2: you to rate Drew Barrymore's first performance. Are you ready
Speaker 2: for it?
Speaker 5: This is a baby and this is a baby.
Speaker 6: They both have.
Speaker 2: Special nutritional needs. That's why a baby should have his
Speaker 2: very own baby food and why a puppy should have
Speaker 2: his very own puppy food. Discuss her a performance Okay, firthly, performance, flawless,
Speaker 2: Agree absolutely all smile interacting with the dog beautiful. What
Speaker 2: I will say is that Drew seems to suffer from
Speaker 2: a similar affliction to what Matilda suffers from, which is
Speaker 2: that people get her gender wrong. Because in that ad
Speaker 2: you will notice they referred to the baby of the
Speaker 2: he ah, and it was okay Drew as a she.
Speaker 2: From there she played Gerty in Et the Extraterrestrial Et
Speaker 2: Full and What a perform which became the highest grossing
Speaker 2: film of all time. I think to this day it's
Speaker 2: about number three. Barrymore was seven years old. By eleven,
Speaker 2: Barrymore had an alcohol problem. By twelve, she said she
Speaker 2: was a drug addict. By thirteen, she was self harming
Speaker 2: and hospitalized for a year and a half, and by
Speaker 2: fourteen she was divorced from her parents and living on
Speaker 2: her own, She went on to star in some of
Speaker 2: the most iconic films ever Never Been Kissed.
Speaker 7: Sorry, I am ly took me forever to go here.
Speaker 2: I know what she mean? Fabulous? Disagree, scream You never
Speaker 2: told me your name?
Speaker 1: Why do you want to know my name?
Speaker 7: I don't want to know who I'm looking at?
Speaker 4: What did you say?
Speaker 2: Ex fabulous Charlie's angels.
Speaker 4: Good morning Angels.
Speaker 2: Charlie fabulous? Ever after watched it at school the Wedding
Speaker 2: Singer fifty First Dates Music and Lyrics, where Hugh Grant
Speaker 2: was like, I don't think she likes me. Remember she
Speaker 2: came up in that episode, and most recently she was
Speaker 2: in Santa Clara Diet. Do you remember that? Yeah, Clarita,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't watch it. I think it
Speaker 2: was about zombies. It was very trying to be the
Speaker 2: Walking Day anyway. Now, she hosts her own talk show
Speaker 2: called The Drew Barrymore Show.
Speaker 4: Oh thanks for hanging out with us. Can I just
Speaker 4: share something and be totally honest? I am rocking the
Speaker 4: caffeine this morning because I pulled an all nighter with
Speaker 4: my daughter.
Speaker 2: Frankie.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you thought everything goes exactly according to plan
Speaker 4: at all times around here, right.
Speaker 2: Ah, which I consume solely through TikTok am. I going
Speaker 2: to get to it comes up a fair bit before
Speaker 2: we begin. Oh like Drew, Yeah no, always get good vibes.
Speaker 2: She seems like she'd be lovely in person. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I think she's a good actress. And this was a
Speaker 2: surprisingly difficult episode to prep for because despite being in
Speaker 2: the industry since she was eleven months old, she's not
Speaker 2: being canceled that often. What's happened not very often. She
Speaker 2: seems very sweet and she's had a rough upbringing and
Speaker 2: come back from that, which personally I find commendable. But
Speaker 2: it also goes to show how great it was that
Speaker 2: for somebody like Drew Barrymore, social media didn't exist when
Speaker 2: she was a teenager because she got to just go
Speaker 2: to rehab. Yes, But when she was I think she
Speaker 2: was about nineteen, and she was on Larry one of
Speaker 2: the one of the Larry's David Letterman, David Lettiman, and
Speaker 2: she danced on the table and she flushed him, and
Speaker 2: that's on the internet. Was that cringe? This is the thing.
Speaker 2: The Internet fucking loves Drew Barrymony all the comments are
Speaker 2: just like, she's classic Drew. She's a good time, she's fun,
Speaker 2: she's so nineties. Love her hair, and I'm like, she
Speaker 2: flashed David Letterman. I'm not canceling, but neither are you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So look, I don't decide who's in the cancel courtroom.
Speaker 2: The culture does. And my structure for today is as follows.
Speaker 2: The original NEPO Baby. Unemployable by fourteen, She says she'd
Speaker 2: had a midlife crisis, but I reck and I was
Speaker 2: unemployable by fourteen. But that's because No, I did make
Speaker 2: a horrific mistakes at boostoos. I didn't shop for my
Speaker 2: second shift because I'm not confused at the video shop,
Speaker 2: So I was unemployable. No Muma called and said, can
Speaker 2: you hire it back? And they said, okay, Dancing in
Speaker 2: the Rain is Drew Barrymore a scab? And lastly the
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore Show. Yes, the original NEPO Baby, Little Drew
Speaker 2: was born to two actors, but that is not the
Speaker 2: whole story. She comes from a family of actors that
Speaker 2: stretches back. Yess, how many years do you think? I
Speaker 2: think like three generations? No, God, there was no acting
Speaker 2: three generations ago. I don't know four hundred years what.
Speaker 2: I thought the same about act. There was no acting
Speaker 2: four hundred, four hundred years. I didn't know. This is
Speaker 2: in my notes. I didn't know the had act just
Speaker 2: four hundred years ago. I thought they we had farmers. Okay,
Speaker 2: Shakespeare comes up?
Speaker 1: Is that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't do the maths, but Shakespeare hundred vibes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: now two thousands ish. Cannot be sure, but I'm thinking
Speaker 2: four hundred years ish. So I'm imagining a great great
Speaker 2: great great great grandfather or grandmother, probably grandfather because patriarchy
Speaker 2: in tight. It's Midsummer Night's Dream with his Willy Contra
Speaker 2: app Yeah, and looking a lot like Drew. Oh, looking
Speaker 2: exactly like ro Drew's face. Look, you saw her in
Speaker 2: the dog food commercial. You can't deny her talent. But
Speaker 2: even Barrymore says she was on movie sets from day one.
Speaker 2: So when they needed a baby, it's like, how about
Speaker 2: we get the one suck in the camera because you
Speaker 2: always wonder you see like a baby in a show,
Speaker 2: you think it is that it's always the wrong age.
Speaker 2: It's your newborn and it's a three year old. Yeah, y,
Speaker 2: that's a plot point that fourteen kilo baby, Why did
Speaker 2: that person birth a fully f human being. Her godmother
Speaker 2: is Italian actress Sophia Laren and her godfather is a
Speaker 2: bit more low key Steven Spielbert. She asked after et
Speaker 2: if he could be her godfather, and her mum was like, okay, fine.
Speaker 2: When she was nineteen and she posed naked for Playboy,
Speaker 2: Spielberg sent her a large quilt with a note attached
Speaker 2: that simply read, cover up what a good godfather had
Speaker 2: some advice, I mean no nor sexes, patriarchy, etcetera. But
Speaker 2: but she didn't have a dad. It's cute that it
Speaker 2: was his paternal there's a photo of her at nine
Speaker 2: years old beside President Ronald Reagan. But and this is
Speaker 2: where I'm always uncomfortable with the NEPO baby stuff. It
Speaker 2: might have given her a leg up in her career,
Speaker 2: but her home life a mess. Her dad was an
Speaker 2: alcoholic left when she was nine, although he'd always been absent,
Speaker 2: and around that time when her I think she was
Speaker 2: about eight years old, when her mum was like, babe,
Speaker 2: let's go cubbing five nights, weet o, no yeap, which
Speaker 2: brings us to unemployable by fourteen In an interview with
Speaker 2: the Guardian, Barrymore says that by her mid teens she
Speaker 2: couldn't get a job. You won't believe it, but all
Speaker 2: that clubbing and no school meant that Barrymore was chaos.
Speaker 2: She was stealing a mum's car and, in her words,
Speaker 2: out of control. She says she was drinking at nine,
Speaker 2: smoking pot at ten, using cocaine at twelve, which meant
Speaker 2: she was blacklisted from Hollywood for having reputation as a
Speaker 2: party girl. Can you imagine a party girl that's just
Speaker 2: a child? Yes, Okay, So you're a director or a
Speaker 2: producer and you're out at the club and you're seeing
Speaker 2: your twelve year old's not cocaine and you're like, ugh,
Speaker 2: just another party girl going too hard on a Tuesday night,
Speaker 2: not being like maybe we should confiscate with cane. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you need some help, because by my calculations, you
Speaker 2: should be in year six. You should be year six.
Speaker 2: Would you like some ice cream with some iced magic,
Speaker 2: because that should be the fun. Why don't you go
Speaker 2: to your room and play this great game called the Sims.
Speaker 2: You should be playing the Sims in a dressing gown.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's weird to look at that kid and
Speaker 2: be like, here comes trabal listing. You just another party girl,
Speaker 2: just twelve. So she was sent to rehab twice before
Speaker 2: she was thirteen. Imagine being in rehab, got rehab people.
Speaker 2: It's like you, no, I'm here wet substance abuse in children, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like they're just a issue. Then at thirteen,
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore's mum Jade, was like, I've had enough. I
Speaker 2: can't do this. So she sent her to a psychiatric
Speaker 2: facility for one year and one half eighteen months. She
Speaker 2: sent her to a psychiatric unit that she couldn't leave.
Speaker 2: She was like, you're a lot, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: no shit. On her twelfth birthday she was not in
Speaker 2: the cocaine. Yeah. That is so sad. And it reminds
Speaker 2: me of this thing I've heard people say where it's
Speaker 2: like you can be like when you talk about privilege, yeah,
Speaker 2: economically privileged, but like family wise, incredibly emotionally yeah deprived.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And that's what it was left her. And
Speaker 2: you think privilege is more complicated than simply having parents
Speaker 2: who happened to be in Hollywood. Yeah, because the cost
Speaker 2: of that was big. So while she was there, a
Speaker 2: few professionals advised that she emancipate herself from her mother,
Speaker 2: who maybe wasn't the best influence, so by fourteen she
Speaker 2: was living on her own divorce from her parents. She
Speaker 2: washed dishes and worked some normal jobs for a few years,
Speaker 2: but eventually she got a role in an erotic thrill
Speaker 2: out called Poison Ivy in nineteen ninety two, and her
Speaker 2: career skyrocketed from there. The time she danced in the rain? Okay,
Speaker 2: do you remember this? No, you don't remember her dancing
Speaker 2: in the rain. No, I've got the video. It was
Speaker 2: an incredibly viral moment that the Internet just loved. You're
Speaker 2: going to remember it when I play it, ha ha.
Speaker 2: Whenever you can go out into the rain, do not
Speaker 2: miss the operencity. Come on, comment. Okay, what did you
Speaker 2: just see? Just describe it visually. People who have heard
Speaker 2: the audio, but they haven't seen her getting wet in
Speaker 2: the rain, I see too, very more selfie mode in
Speaker 2: the rain, taking her glasses off to really being one
Speaker 2: with the rain. Huh, instructing people to get out in
Speaker 2: the rain more. All right? Do you think the internet
Speaker 2: loved it or hated it? Okay? Okay, I think it's
Speaker 2: cringe in the way that the Internet loves. The Internet
Speaker 2: fucking loved it. Yeah, the Internet frothed it. People started
Speaker 2: doing it. One person said it was racist because it
Speaker 2: was copying a trend that they believed was started by
Speaker 2: black creators. But then other people came out most like
Speaker 2: the rain doesn't belong to anyone, and the consensus words
Speaker 2: that it's actually fine, and Drew can get wet if
Speaker 2: she want. Yeah, she can be in the rain. But
Speaker 2: that is something that we love about Drew Barrymore is
Speaker 2: there's a purity, an earnestness, and a intensity, and any
Speaker 2: city highly intense, but there's also a joy. There's a joy.
Speaker 2: She owns it. We know where she came from. M babe.
Speaker 2: If you need to get in the rain to get
Speaker 2: through some of your childhood trauma, in the rain, you
Speaker 2: roll and it's just nice because you're like, yeah, she's
Speaker 2: in the rain. You know what She's not doing hurting
Speaker 2: anyone exactly. It's just a bit wet criticizing anyone winging.
Speaker 2: What I would like to discuss is her call to action,
Speaker 2: her CTA. She says, whenever you can go out into
Speaker 2: the rain, do not miss the opportunity. I love the sentiment.
Speaker 2: I share the internet's general encouragement of Drew healing her
Speaker 2: inner child. You do you, Drew. I don't like rain
Speaker 2: because I find it to be a day ruiner. Ya Hey,
Speaker 2: you gotta wash it. You get wet in your shoes
Speaker 2: and they start making sounds squirreled. When it begins to dry,
Speaker 2: you stink like a labrador. There are places in the world, Claire.
Speaker 2: We were recently in Ireland in the summertime where getting
Speaker 2: rained on is a genuine hypothermia risk. I don't want
Speaker 2: to die today, Drew. If I get wet in the
Speaker 2: Irish summer, I'll die. Yeah, I can't withstand that kind
Speaker 2: of My fingers will turn purple, my lips will turn blue,
Speaker 2: and I'll just keel over. It's all fine for you, Drew.
Speaker 2: I think you're actually just in your backyard, so you
Speaker 2: can go get into a hot shower. You ever got
Speaker 2: wet on the way to the station before an eight
Speaker 2: hour day. You get to the office, everyone asks, what's wrong? Well,
Speaker 2: I got wet and I smell like wet dog and
Speaker 2: lazy girls. What don't lazy girls ever have changed clothes? Okay,
Speaker 2: why would anyone have a change of clothes. I'm obviously
Speaker 2: talking about an umbrella. Oh my gosh, I never have it.
Speaker 2: I make a gamble every day. Don't have it anyway?
Speaker 2: Is Drew Barry Morris gap. The problem with everyone loving
Speaker 2: you because you were Josie Grosy, you had that sad
Speaker 2: brain injury in fifty first dates and you got murdered
Speaker 2: in screen is that when you make a perceived misstep,
Speaker 2: the people get upset. Do you remember the writer's strike
Speaker 2: last year, no contract, no me. For the first time
Speaker 2: in fifteen years, more than eleven thousand movie and television
Speaker 2: writers in Hollywood's Writers Guild went on strike.
Speaker 4: This is absolutely an existential moment for the rank profession.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I remember Drew barrymore being involved somehow, and
Speaker 2: this is the one time I've seen her get a
Speaker 2: little bit canceled. Okay, it was a big deal. It
Speaker 2: lasted for one hundred and forty eight days, and basically
Speaker 2: all the writers banded together and were like, you got
Speaker 2: to pay us better, and also, don't replace me with
Speaker 2: chat japity. As is the case with any strike, you
Speaker 2: need lots of people, if not everybody, to do it.
Speaker 2: You need the industry to feel what happens without you.
Speaker 2: So films and television shows were largely paused or shut down,
Speaker 2: and the ones that continued did so without writers. It
Speaker 2: was an understanding, especially if you're a signal tree to
Speaker 2: the Writers Guilden of America. It was like you shut
Speaker 2: down what you're doing. The things people were sacrificing, like
Speaker 2: writers were taking their kids out of school. No one
Speaker 2: was working. Everyone was just sitting there waiting for this
Speaker 2: to end. But the only power you had for this
Speaker 2: strike was Hollywood's at a standstill. Right in support of
Speaker 2: the strike, Barrymore withdrew from hosting the twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: MTV Movie and TV Awards because she's a signatory. She's
Speaker 2: quite outspoken about it. She supports the writers solidarity Dance
Speaker 2: in the Rain, but then her TV show is due
Speaker 2: to come back towards the end of the year, The
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore Show, and everyone obviously expects it will be
Speaker 2: paused because everything it is struck, which means that it's
Speaker 2: not allowed to go forwardcause got riters on it. But
Speaker 2: she releases a statement to her Instagram. She says the
Speaker 2: show was built during sensitive times COVID and it's coming
Speaker 2: back this season. Tune in. She says she'll commence season
Speaker 2: four with astute humility, so it's fine. Things will not
Speaker 2: So she was just coming back with the Riders coming back.
Speaker 2: I think she was just going to do it without
Speaker 2: the Riders.
Speaker 6: The writer's strike is now at one hundred and thirty
Speaker 6: two days and now the Writer's Guild of America is
Speaker 6: planning a protest. They are taking a stand against Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 6: Production on Barrymore's namesake TV show will start soon.
Speaker 2: So Alissa Milano, Deborah Messing, a bunch of other writers
Speaker 2: and actors came out and were like, honey, no, not
Speaker 2: how striketed. That's not the deal. You can't just start
Speaker 2: your show again. You can't do it. I will say,
Speaker 2: I did think if you were a bit of a
Speaker 2: dickhead slash just honey needs some money. Yeah, when that
Speaker 2: was happening in Hollywood, if you were just a little
Speaker 2: bit like, i'll do some work. Yeah, oh, I know
Speaker 2: everyone's striking, so just on the side, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: I'm available, and also I have no ethics. Double my rate. Now.
Speaker 2: In Drew Barrymore's defense, everyone was like, Okay, Drew Barrymore
Speaker 2: doesn't need the money. She's worth like one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty five mil. She's got Flower Beauty, she's got the
Speaker 2: Flower Production Company, which made a bunch of these movies.
Speaker 2: She is rolling in it. However, during that writer strike,
Speaker 2: if you were a cleaner, if you were a camera person,
Speaker 2: if you were hair and maker, if you were sound,
Speaker 2: you couldn't work. You were just sitting at home waiting
Speaker 2: for a job. So Drew Barrymore, if you read between
Speaker 2: the lines of what she's saying, she's like, I employ
Speaker 2: a lot of people. I want to give them a job. Also,
Speaker 2: her show was on a network, and if you said
Speaker 2: to the network, we're not coming back, they were replacing
Speaker 2: a lot of shows. A lot of shows never came
Speaker 2: back after the right strike. So you know you're playing
Speaker 2: a yeah, because you get to they can just put
Speaker 2: in a show that's like syndicated. Ye, Like let's say
Speaker 2: they've already born probably a reality shows. Yeah. Things got
Speaker 2: so bad that a few days later she published a
Speaker 2: tearful apology video.
Speaker 4: I deeply apologize to writers. I deeply apologize to unions.
Speaker 4: I deeply apologize.
Speaker 2: This is a deeply complex situation. People's jobs are online
Speaker 2: and she waited up and yeah, she'll still be coming
Speaker 2: back hard true in October. Tune in. Okay, here's the
Speaker 2: thing I do think what you say about. There's all
Speaker 2: these other people who work on the production. These issues
Speaker 2: are always more complex than they look from a bird's
Speaker 2: eye view and from a purely ideological perspective, Like there's
Speaker 2: the ideology of how things should be, like put pressure
Speaker 2: on these studios so that writers get paid fairly, so
Speaker 2: that we stop ai writing everything. But then there is
Speaker 2: a makeup artist who's like, my kid has cancer and
Speaker 2: I can't pay for EASTU. Yes, yes, but it's also like,
Speaker 2: if we just start making these shows happen, then the
Speaker 2: writers have no bargaining power. Everything they've done has been
Speaker 2: in vain. Everyone's sacrifice is in vain. And Drew Barrymore,
Speaker 2: who has some of the most power in Hollywood and
Speaker 2: who has been in writers' rooms and understands how it
Speaker 2: all works, she can probably afford to pay everyone. That's
Speaker 2: true that a little bit, which is what like, you
Speaker 2: know a Jimmy Kimmel did, Yeah, is he paid his people. Still, So,
Speaker 2: what a scab actually means is someone who breaks a strike.
Speaker 2: So someone who is like struck and then does their
Speaker 2: thing anyway, so everyone started calling her a scab and
Speaker 2: she lost a hosting gig at the twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: National Book Awards. Anyway, she did her tearful apology and
Speaker 2: everyone was like, so then she eventually did delete that
Speaker 2: video and she came back a third time and was like,
Speaker 2: upon reflection, I'll be pausing that, Drew Barrymore, okay, good
Speaker 2: until after the strike good, okay good. When she did
Speaker 2: eventually go back to work, three head writers refused to
Speaker 2: come back because they were so pissed. So she that's
Speaker 2: hold on it pissed so three of her head riders. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when she resumed things, she was like, guys, come back,
Speaker 2: we can come back. They were like, no, screw you.
Speaker 2: You tried to come back without us. Oh so they
Speaker 2: didn't come back, okay right right yeah. Yeah. Interestingly, a
Speaker 2: bunch of daytime shows did come back with no fuss,
Speaker 2: the Jennifer Hudson Show and The View. So why didn't
Speaker 2: they get in trouble? Well, for starters, I didn't personally
Speaker 2: know Jennifer Hudson had a show, no, and I didn't
Speaker 2: know the View was still on, so play on. But
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore, similar to an Ellen or a James Cordon.
Speaker 2: You're meant to be a nice girl. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 2: tell me you're a good person. Dance in the rain.
Speaker 2: Tell me to dance in the rain. And then when
Speaker 2: it comes down to it, it's beIN on the riders.
Speaker 2: My only kind of knowledge that the view exists is
Speaker 2: that one clip where Kelly Osborne says that you know,
Speaker 2: when she thinks she's she's saying something, and she's like,
Speaker 2: if we get rid of Mexican, if we get rid
Speaker 2: of all the immigrants, then who's going to clean your toilets?
Speaker 2: Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: If you kick every Latino out of this country, then
Speaker 1: who is going to be cleaning your toilet?
Speaker 7: Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's in a sense that not you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, But I'm saying there's more, there's more jobs
Speaker 1: to be in la They always but the Donalds are.
Speaker 2: Not only don't mean it like that, come on.
Speaker 5: The panel is like no, it's like no, no, no, no
Speaker 5: no no, I'll just sad out loud a bad thing.
Speaker 2: Honestly, you cancelong the way we should do kill. Speaking
Speaker 2: of the Drew Barrymore show, I have in my notes,
Speaker 2: she sits too close to people, Claire. Yeah, I get
Speaker 2: clips constantly on TikTok from The Drew Barrymore Show, and
Speaker 2: every time I see one, I think, scoochback, you're too
Speaker 2: close to their face, You're too close, You're too intense. Okay,
Speaker 2: Drew barronwore and The Drew Barren Moore Show is a
Speaker 2: girl at a girl's lunch who's had a bottle of
Speaker 2: my wine and thinks they're getting intimate. Yeah, and is like,
Speaker 2: I so profoundly relate to what you're saying. And she's like, yeah, this,
Speaker 2: she's so moved that she's got like tears in her eyes.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She's like, I've never connected with someone more deeply. And
Speaker 2: it's like, what are you on?
Speaker 4: I like you?
Speaker 6: I like you too?
Speaker 1: How did you do so you?
Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite things about you.
Speaker 2: And Drew is just on life because I think that
Speaker 2: she's very self actualized. But why are your needs touching?
Speaker 2: It's a massive couch, massive shot. And she'll always say
Speaker 2: she did one with them Bella had did, because apparently
Speaker 2: gg HA did. Was like, you've got to meet Bella.
Speaker 2: You're the same person. And then so she got there,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I know I'm like, just similarities. But then
Speaker 2: she's like, she's doing this one with Bellah did and
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, and we met, We've just been talking
Speaker 2: on stuff and we're in your dressing room talking for
Speaker 2: like four hours. I'm like, Drew, that's my nightmare. Drew,
Speaker 2: leave Vella alone. Drew, you are my social nightmare. I
Speaker 2: love you so much, but I think if I meet you,
Speaker 2: you'd be like chatting and then you'd be like, Oh,
Speaker 2: why don't I just come to your house? M Drew
Speaker 2: Barrymore is why boundaries. Roommen is why people talk about
Speaker 2: that physical boundary and emotional boundary. So I'm not the
Speaker 2: only one who's noticed a slight lack of consideration of space.
Speaker 2: At the end of last year, Barrymore interviewed Oprah Winfrey,
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to show you a clip and
Speaker 2: see if you notice anything unusual about what happened during
Speaker 2: their interview.
Speaker 4: When we first met, I was really young. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: means so much to me because when I was fourteen
Speaker 4: and I had that conversation with you, you had so
Speaker 4: much wisdom about you know, and maybe it was while
Speaker 4: you were learning these things.
Speaker 7: I was going to say, I didn't have the wisdom.
Speaker 7: Ben looking at that, I didn't have the wisdom. But
Speaker 7: I did pay attention, you know, just as I mean,
Speaker 7: the audience was a serious thing for me, and I
Speaker 7: did pay attention. I did listen to the audience, and
Speaker 7: I did feel like I was the representative for all
Speaker 7: of you. I never have been to therapy.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to talk about with you.
Speaker 7: You never went to therapy, but sh but I had
Speaker 7: all my therapy on the show.
Speaker 2: What did you say? During that clip, she's holding an
Speaker 2: head so the tooling and she's beneath her knees are
Speaker 2: touching her and she reaches out to hold her hand,
Speaker 2: and she's holding her hand as she speaks to it,
Speaker 2: like close to her face. She's holding Oprah's hand close
Speaker 2: to her face. I don't know if you didn't notice it,
Speaker 2: but she's also gently stroking her forearm the entirety of
Speaker 2: the interview. All Right, something I don't like. I'm not
Speaker 2: a touchy feely person. And if I am having a
Speaker 2: conversation with someone and they touch me, don't like it.
Speaker 2: I feel weird touch me. I'm just gonna say it.
Speaker 2: During that interview, Drew Barrymore latched her. Can you blame her?
Speaker 2: I would also, I think most of us would latch,
Speaker 2: but Oprah I reckon. In that clip, you can tell
Speaker 2: she's a little bit like unlatch. Okay, that's what people thought.
Speaker 2: They saw. The internet said it's too much hand holding.
Speaker 2: They said she wanted her handback wise through fondling Oprah.
Speaker 2: But Oprah came out and was like, I liked it.
Speaker 2: She said, I was actually comforted by the stroke of
Speaker 2: the arm. I went home and I told Steadman, I
Speaker 2: need to be stroked on the arm. It's company. Wait really, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what she said. It's a little bit six to you,
Speaker 2: Like if you're selling Steadman, I'm now going to show
Speaker 2: you a series of images as evidence that Drew sits
Speaker 2: too close to her guests. Just have a little like
Speaker 2: look through them and just describe as you go. Okay.
Speaker 2: In the first one, she's got Brookshield and a blonde
Speaker 2: girl in the middle, and their legs are all draped
Speaker 2: over each other. So Drew is putting her leg over
Speaker 2: Brookshields as lap. Actually, for some reason, I care less
Speaker 2: about legs. Keep going, what else you see? Just then
Speaker 2: she's got Paris Hilton and she is hugging her and
Speaker 2: resting her chin on Paris Hilton's shoulders, and Paris is
Speaker 2: very much like sitting in a very respectable legs cross
Speaker 2: chants together. Yeah, I don't like to be touched. Yes, way, okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know who this person is, but Drew's sitting
Speaker 2: on the lab like their Sannah. Yeah. Yeah, it is
Speaker 2: a child with Santa Claus. Yeah, okay. In this one,
Speaker 2: Drew she loves getting on the floor. Yes, she loves
Speaker 2: to get on the floor of the studio. Yes. So
Speaker 2: she has Jennifer Aniston and Adam Sandler. He's dressed very
Speaker 2: Adam Sandler. Yeah, and she is on her knees hugging them,
Speaker 2: which just means that their faces are all incredibly close.
Speaker 2: You'll be able to smell breath, hair, skin. You'd want
Speaker 2: to know that your breath is breash. Oh, her breath
Speaker 2: must be very fresh. And then she's got Jennifer Garner.
Speaker 2: She's knelt in front of her in a worshiping type pose.
Speaker 2: It's very unproposing. She kneels a lot. Yeah, I guess again.
Speaker 2: We've got hand holding. Hand holding. It's okay, it's not
Speaker 2: just met too. It feels weird. TikTok and Twitter are
Speaker 2: losing it. Please read out this meme. Okay, that is
Speaker 2: the single guy to me I've ever seen it, says
Speaker 2: the guest, Can I be honest for a moment, Drew Barrymore?
Speaker 2: This is a safe space, go on And it's an
Speaker 2: image of two people's eyeballs. And the second tweet read
Speaker 2: someone said, Drew Barrymore has the same intense energy as
Speaker 2: a girl you meet in the bathroom at two am. Yes,
Speaker 2: and it's incredible And honestly they're amazing because they're your
Speaker 2: biggest hype girl. They're like, you need to quit your
Speaker 2: job and dump him. Yeah, and you're like, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I mean you go home. You're like, who was that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah in context that make sense. Yah, out of context,
Speaker 2: I look intense.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think the bathroom intensity is because that's probably
Speaker 2: where she was when she was twelve. Yeah, she's had
Speaker 2: like training. Also, I feel like for a while that
Speaker 2: could have been her full time job. Is bathroom harpe girl?
Speaker 2: Like she was in the club and when you went
Speaker 2: to the club, she was waiting, I like you, and
Speaker 2: she sticks your hair to tell you that your boyfriend
Speaker 2: is an absolute dickhead, Like I reckon very good at that. Okay,
Speaker 2: some people say that on her show she can sometimes
Speaker 2: be a bit cringey, and I don't appreciate that because
Speaker 2: I think that cringe is something that we pretty much
Speaker 2: only use as a weapon against women, unless it's lampagne,
Speaker 2: in which case lampagne is cring But I also don't
Speaker 2: mind cringe. Cringe can be fun. You think that I
Speaker 2: just need to show you this one clip, Drew. How
Speaker 2: have you seen the clip with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: We all need a mom. I've been thinking that we
Speaker 1: really all need a tremendous hug in the world right now.
Speaker 1: But in our country, we need you to be Mamola
Speaker 1: of the country.
Speaker 2: So she's asked Kamala to be Mamalla mama.
Speaker 3: That's an incredible pun.
Speaker 2: I can deal with, Ernest. I can't deal with Mamla.
Speaker 2: I can't. Mamola is my line, and don't just because
Speaker 2: she's a woman does not make test to be your mom. Drew,
Speaker 2: tell me a writer's room didn't come up with that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: pay them, Yeah, And just like to rewatch.
Speaker 1: We need you to be Mamola of the country.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a vice president that's too close to
Speaker 2: the vice president and the vice president is like, fuck, true,
Speaker 2: You've ruined all my chances. So I've been listening to
Speaker 2: a lot of political analysis lately, and one actually, pretty
Speaker 2: much the only criticism of Kamala Harris is it she's cringe.
Speaker 2: Like that's actually the political use of that. They try
Speaker 2: and get her to do like relatable things, but that
Speaker 2: she's got this earnestness and this cringe that people don't like.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And it's like, oh, dare you like
Speaker 2: what you're doing with Mamala? Yeah, is making her cringe,
Speaker 2: is making her more cringe than she needs to be. Claire.
Speaker 2: It is time for charges and sentences, Claire, do you
Speaker 2: want to go first? Yes, my charge? I love Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I think she is cringe in a family,
Speaker 2: mostly except for Mama get but that's okay, okay, because
Speaker 2: being cringed. I checked the counseled law book. It ain't
Speaker 2: in there. I think it is definitely found people guilty
Speaker 2: of cringe before. Yes, but I think they have to
Speaker 2: do much more just cringing a fun way. Okay, my
Speaker 2: charge is being too close, She's she's almost it's triggering
Speaker 2: for me to watch as a mum of a small child,
Speaker 2: because you think, nah, we need personal space. And I
Speaker 2: know what it's like to have somebody gripping you all
Speaker 2: the tarching. It's because we've often said babies don't get
Speaker 2: it is. You'll be holding them like on your hip
Speaker 2: and you'll look down and they're staring at you eyeball
Speaker 2: to eyeball, and you have to go, that's not the
Speaker 2: dune thing. No, it's too close. It's too close. And
Speaker 2: I've been in social situations. I've been at you know,
Speaker 2: a party where I'm talking to someone, their face is
Speaker 2: getting too close to my face and I trip over
Speaker 2: a pop plant because what I'm doing is edging backwards. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going our throws are getting touched. Yeah, Matil will
Speaker 2: be face to face, just staring at me, and then
Speaker 2: she does start sucking. Yeah, And Drew Barrymore looks like
Speaker 2: she might start sacking. She she looks like she one
Speaker 2: hundred percent is just gonna yeah on the nose. That's
Speaker 2: an adult. Okay, what's your sentence? My sentence. The Drew
Speaker 2: Barrymore Show needs a set of rules that actually resembles
Speaker 2: the rules of a school playground, and one of the
Speaker 2: rules of a school, playground. Oh wow. Yeah, no touching,
Speaker 2: no touching, and no play, no play, no sun, no
Speaker 2: fun today. But importantly we don't touch you know, it's
Speaker 2: not no touching, Claire. Let's keep your hands to yourself.
Speaker 2: Hands to yourself. Yeah yeah, hands on your head, Yes,
Speaker 2: your own head. Drew hands on your not Oprah's head,
Speaker 2: because we know you'll do that. Yeah, but she she
Speaker 2: needs to keep her hands to yourself. You can connect
Speaker 2: with somebody closely emotionally without touching them physically too closely. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is my imagine her at a boozy lunch.
Speaker 4: She lad.
Speaker 2: My charge. This is what I've written down too enlightened,
Speaker 2: question mark, too mentally well, question mark rain. But she
Speaker 2: has done so much work to be where she is
Speaker 2: and to have two kids, and she seems like a
Speaker 2: brilliant mother. She's got this striving career. I love that
Speaker 2: she looks her age. I don't know if that's offensive
Speaker 2: to say, but I said it. She's very entrepreneurial. I'm
Speaker 2: in awe of her. But you know how self actualization
Speaker 2: is like a developmental stage, yeah, which I'm so far from.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And like you know how there's like I
Speaker 2: think there's like Maslow's hierarchy, self actualization isn't yeah, and
Speaker 2: the bottom is like shelter. I feel like I'm still baling. No,
Speaker 2: you actually are, like you barely have a home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like self awareness, personal development, all of those things. I
Speaker 2: feel like, like, say, self actualization, and you've got your thing,
Speaker 2: most of us get to like it. Seven. I feel
Speaker 2: like Drew's accidentally got to know. Yeah. I feel like
Speaker 2: if you look at Maslow's hierarchy of nies, it just
Speaker 2: got Drew Barrymmel's face right at the top of it.
Speaker 2: So this is the thing. She feels things very deeply.
Speaker 2: Shaun's Kamala to me, Mama La. She wants to dance
Speaker 2: in the rain and embrace Oprah, And she can't sit
Speaker 2: on a couch with her feet on the floor. They
Speaker 2: have to be tucked under her, like she's asleepover my sentence.
Speaker 2: To be clear, I think Drew is an angel scent
Speaker 2: from heaven, barely any notes. But I would like her
Speaker 2: to get caught in the rain on the way to work.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yes, yeah, don't miss the opportunity. You're walking
Speaker 2: to the train station. Once you get to work, eight
Speaker 2: hours in an office starts pissing down on your hair
Speaker 2: that you just washed. Your mascara runs, your shoes squirlke,
Speaker 2: your fingers are freezing. You get on the train, smells
Speaker 2: like wet. Everyone gasps, they ask what happened? You turn gray,
Speaker 2: you get hypothermia, and then you get to work and
Speaker 2: you look like crap. You feel like crap. You're very
Speaker 2: cold and wet. You got an interview Oprah on camera. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's not like you've got to be distance. She
Speaker 2: is looking at every pore on your face and it's
Speaker 2: got dirty, polluted rain in it from the clouds. Claire,
Speaker 2: remember when we were kids. We were wet and wild
Speaker 2: one day, beautiful day, and then things turned and it
Speaker 2: got very cold and very rainy, and Mum and dad
Speaker 2: had light dropped us there with our brothers and we
Speaker 2: had to wait out the front. I've never been so cold,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it was never been so cold. You
Speaker 2: had to get off the riots because there was a
Speaker 2: risk of light. Mean, yeah, I don't even know if
Speaker 2: we had towels. I don't think we did. I was
Speaker 2: just in my swimmers, so king, wet, translucent skin, the
Speaker 2: blue extremities. All of us were just like I don't
Speaker 2: think we had any money for like odd chips or anything.
Speaker 2: I think we probably did get hotships, but that didn't
Speaker 2: even help. It was so even the hot chips would
Speaker 2: have been soggy. We were so so cold. I want
Speaker 2: her to have that experience. I think we all got
Speaker 2: sick for a week. Yeah, and that's what I think
Speaker 2: she needs to experience in order to have the full
Speaker 2: spectrum of human emotion, which I know she cares about,
Speaker 2: and then she can do a follow up video about that.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, like I said that being caught
Speaker 2: in the rain was like great, but you know there
Speaker 2: are some dwn ties caught in the rain. I just
Speaker 2: really acknowledged that complexity. Love Love, Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for joining us on this episode of Canceled. I will
Speaker 2: be sharing that video and many more on the Twins
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Speaker 2: Listed Bazazz with audio editing by Tom Lyon, and we
Speaker 2: will be back at next week. Bye bye.