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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Muma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Conflict in the Middle East rages

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Speaker 2: on this time, Doha caught in the crossfires of Israel's

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Speaker 2: offensive on militant group of mass But why is Israel's

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Speaker 2: Quicki News room, four Thursday, September.

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Speaker 1: Eleven, Thanks Taylor. US right wing activist and commentator Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk and influential Allive President Donald Trump was fatally shot

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Speaker 2: fast approaching the two year mark of the ongoing conflict

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Speaker 2: when Harma's militant stormed a music festival in Israel, killing

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Speaker 4: Does this message imply that he intends to reshape the

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Speaker 2: Hama say at least six people were killed, including the

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Speaker 2: but that could mean a lot of different things. Israel's

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Benjamin Nanna, who has hailed the strike as

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Speaker 6: Full responsibility for this action, and this action can open

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Speaker 7: To an end of the war.

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Speaker 2: Leaders from around the world world have condemned this strike

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Speaker 2: His Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt address media yesterday saying this

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Speaker 5: I'm not thrilled about the whole situations.

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Speaker 2: Not a good situation, but I will say this, we

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Speaker 2: trying to mediate, this strike could complicate any hope of

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Speaker 6: So there was a terror attack in Jerusalem where there

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Speaker 2: Hamas claimed responsibility for that attack. So do we feel

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Speaker 2: like what has happened in Doha this week was part

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Speaker 6: Israeli Prime Minister Binni Manetna, who made a direct link

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Speaker 6: I think he's doing that partly because he knows that

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Speaker 5: So this is a pretty big step.

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Speaker 2: So then who were the targets in Doha because he's

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Speaker 2: What's the potential fallout from this jeess. I mean, the

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Speaker 5: That's right. So there are a few consequences.

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Speaker 6: First of all, it shows that Prime Minister binimin Netna,

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Speaker 5: Now, actually this aligns with everything that binimin Netna who

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I mean this actually puts President Trump in quite

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Speaker 5: And I assume as soon as President Trump would have

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Speaker 2: Jess, In the last twelve months, we've seen Israel bomb

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Speaker 5: I think this is really tricky.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: and Clare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.