WEBVTT - Our Meghan Pivot & The Ugly SNARF Trap 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.382 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and warders 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:21.782 that this podcast is recorded on I promise that it's 0:00:21.822 --> 0:00:24.382 only like two more days. I'm allowed to reference Meghan 0:00:24.462 --> 0:00:28.542 and everything if her TV show is a legitimate hit. 0:00:29.182 --> 0:00:31.862 Partly it's snaff bit because the people who hater will 0:00:31.862 --> 0:00:35.022 watch it and go back, But the actual show itself 0:00:35.101 --> 0:00:44.702 is so inoffensive and pleasant. Hello and welcome to MoMA 0:00:44.742 --> 0:00:47.422 Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking about 0:00:47.422 --> 0:00:50.902 on Monday, the tenth of March. I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm. 0:00:50.742 --> 0:00:52.702 Mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:53.062 --> 0:00:56.502 And on the show today we all got exactly what 0:00:56.582 --> 0:01:00.302 we wanted for International Women's Day, Validation that yes, we 0:01:00.382 --> 0:01:05.542 do do absolutely everything, and some helpful feedback from Rob Catter. Also, 0:01:06.102 --> 0:01:09.262 why after a weekend of digesting with love Meghan and 0:01:09.301 --> 0:01:12.862 some wickles sprinkled with flowers, It's clear that the royal 0:01:12.862 --> 0:01:16.982 family made a big mistake and what is snuff? We 0:01:17.102 --> 0:01:19.062 hate to break it to you, but it's all over 0:01:19.102 --> 0:01:24.062 your phone. But first, I still love you, and I'm like. 0:01:25.662 --> 0:01:28.422 This is exhausting, you know, like we're never getting that 0:01:28.622 --> 0:01:30.862 together like ever No. 0:01:31.982 --> 0:01:32.862 It hps, you missed it. 0:01:32.942 --> 0:01:35.862 Ben Afleck continues to be a lazy boy by dipping 0:01:35.902 --> 0:01:39.022 back into his bag of ex wives called Jennifer. The 0:01:39.102 --> 0:01:43.102 gossip over the weekend was that now his Jennifer Lopez 0:01:43.142 --> 0:01:47.902 divorce has been finalized, he is sniffing around the original 0:01:47.982 --> 0:01:52.062 Jennifer ex wife, Ghana. Page six published photos of Affleck 0:01:52.142 --> 0:01:56.062 and Jennifer Ghana sharing a laugh at their son's paintball party, 0:01:56.182 --> 0:01:58.662 and the next day a source told the outlet that 0:01:58.662 --> 0:02:01.982 Affleck would love another chance. The insider added that the 0:02:02.022 --> 0:02:04.942 actor would definitely be open to giving things another shot 0:02:04.982 --> 0:02:07.422 with Jen if the timing is ever right, but that 0:02:07.542 --> 0:02:10.702 he knows it's just not realistic time in their lives, 0:02:11.302 --> 0:02:12.742 which is a bit of a weird thing to say, 0:02:12.781 --> 0:02:16.982 because Jennifer Ghana has been dating a businessman called John Miller. 0:02:17.022 --> 0:02:21.262 He's like the heir to a big Hamburger franchise. She's 0:02:21.302 --> 0:02:24.622 been dating him since twenty eighteen, a little bit on 0:02:24.702 --> 0:02:27.342 and off, but they're currently on. My question is. 0:02:27.942 --> 0:02:30.862 Why you missed the part about the body language expert 0:02:30.902 --> 0:02:33.262 who had some things to say about how when men 0:02:33.302 --> 0:02:36.422 and women hetero men and women usually hug They keep 0:02:36.462 --> 0:02:40.501 their pelviss apart to indicate space and not a romantic investment. 0:02:40.862 --> 0:02:43.782 But their pelvis is rubbed, which is. 0:02:44.302 --> 0:02:48.221 But that's because they have rubbed before exactly, and so 0:02:48.262 --> 0:02:50.302 they have muscle memory of rubbing. 0:02:50.702 --> 0:02:50.822 Well. 0:02:50.942 --> 0:02:53.622 I think that Jennifer Ghana is way too smart to 0:02:53.702 --> 0:02:54.902 go anywhere in that. 0:02:55.181 --> 0:02:57.862 Ever, Again, I agree with you one hundred percent, but 0:02:57.982 --> 0:03:00.742 it reminded me of a certain type of man and 0:03:00.822 --> 0:03:05.942 perhaps woman who exclusively only dates the same people. Again, 0:03:06.062 --> 0:03:10.062 I think because they're incapable of emotionally investing in a 0:03:10.222 --> 0:03:12.462 new person and learning about who they are. There's an 0:03:12.542 --> 0:03:15.822 ease to kind of fitting in two year old pair 0:03:15.862 --> 0:03:18.302 of jeans rather than having to go out and try 0:03:18.302 --> 0:03:22.702 on a new pair underpants. Yeah, and I have experienced this. 0:03:22.862 --> 0:03:26.341 I had partners in my twenties who we would break 0:03:26.422 --> 0:03:28.942 up and then they'd come back and I'd go, I 0:03:29.062 --> 0:03:33.942 knew it, I'm so desirable irresistible that finally he's back. 0:03:33.982 --> 0:03:36.182 But he was just back because he didn't want to 0:03:36.182 --> 0:03:39.102 bother getting to know a new one, and I was easy. 0:03:39.342 --> 0:03:41.742 I think there are other Jennifers that Ben could move 0:03:41.782 --> 0:03:46.622 on to that he hasn't pollinated. Before, such as Jennifer Aniston. 0:03:47.062 --> 0:03:50.542 That would be me. That would be Imagine how excited 0:03:50.582 --> 0:03:51.702 I would be if that happened. 0:03:52.262 --> 0:03:54.862 We could gossip Jennie that one. Jennifer love Hewitt is 0:03:54.902 --> 0:03:59.382 an option. Yeah, I think she's married, but anyway, and 0:03:59.422 --> 0:04:03.502 also my request would be Jennifer Coolidge, Oh, that would 0:04:03.502 --> 0:04:04.062 be awesome. 0:04:04.422 --> 0:04:06.982 Is she single? I believe she is fabulous? 0:04:08.142 --> 0:04:12.462 Friends, Saturday was into National Women's Day. How did you celebrate, Holleen? 0:04:12.462 --> 0:04:13.782 What did you do on this Saturday? 0:04:14.942 --> 0:04:19.101 Well, gosh, I was alone with my children. Brent's been away, 0:04:19.541 --> 0:04:22.782 so I did a lot of what I believe statistically 0:04:22.902 --> 0:04:26.981 is called women's work. Several loads of washing, cooked at 0:04:27.061 --> 0:04:31.261 least three meals, did some shopping, drove a daughter to work, 0:04:31.782 --> 0:04:35.181 organized a playdate in inverted commons, which just means trying 0:04:35.222 --> 0:04:38.902 to prize young boys off video games. That was it. 0:04:39.022 --> 0:04:42.301 That was my day. Yay me celebration, Maya. 0:04:42.342 --> 0:04:42.742 How about you? 0:04:42.782 --> 0:04:45.101 What did you do? I made myself a cake, Okay, 0:04:45.621 --> 0:04:48.022 not because I remembered that it was International Women's Day, 0:04:48.022 --> 0:04:49.782 just because I felt like a cake and no one 0:04:49.861 --> 0:04:52.181 else would make one. But I made it out of 0:04:52.181 --> 0:04:54.742 a cake mix, so it wasn't very elevated. Okay, I'm 0:04:54.821 --> 0:04:56.741 shamed to say, got my nails done and I had 0:04:56.782 --> 0:04:58.062 a nap. So I had a great day. 0:04:58.981 --> 0:05:03.621 I forgot that it was Saturday. But on Sunday I 0:05:03.702 --> 0:05:06.582 went to hear you speak Maya on a panel which 0:05:07.061 --> 0:05:07.861 was lovely. 0:05:07.981 --> 0:05:09.942 It was great. I'm going to tell you all about 0:05:09.941 --> 0:05:10.222 it later. 0:05:10.222 --> 0:05:13.221 Holly and I went to another panel that my friend 0:05:13.301 --> 0:05:15.182 was on at all about women, and I realized that 0:05:15.222 --> 0:05:18.421 there's this tendency, I think for women on or around 0:05:18.462 --> 0:05:22.741 International Women's Day to spend a decent amount of money 0:05:22.782 --> 0:05:25.061 to go and hear other women speak about things they 0:05:25.101 --> 0:05:28.021 agree with and applaud, while men. 0:05:28.022 --> 0:05:30.941 Just get to sit at home in their pajamas or eat. 0:05:30.821 --> 0:05:32.101 Lunch and money. 0:05:32.262 --> 0:05:34.662 Yeah, I had a full I had quite a full 0:05:34.741 --> 0:05:38.462 Sunday due to International Women's Day commitments, and no one 0:05:39.262 --> 0:05:39.981 made me a cake. 0:05:40.741 --> 0:05:41.301 I'm sorry. 0:05:41.462 --> 0:05:42.581 Is there any of your cake left? 0:05:42.702 --> 0:05:42.902 Yep? 0:05:43.101 --> 0:05:43.661 Okay, great. 0:05:44.342 --> 0:05:47.662 I saw some headlines which I really wanted to discuss 0:05:47.702 --> 0:05:50.821 with you both. So when the clock ticked over to 0:05:50.902 --> 0:05:53.301 March eight, we were all restless. 0:05:53.342 --> 0:05:53.941 I know we were. 0:05:54.782 --> 0:05:57.301 We were impatient because we needed to know what Robbie Catter, 0:05:57.621 --> 0:06:00.181 the leader of Kata's Australian Party and MP son of 0:06:00.181 --> 0:06:03.182 Bobby Catter, had to say about this momentous occasion. 0:06:04.381 --> 0:06:05.662 He delivered he always does. 0:06:06.501 --> 0:06:09.501 In a Facebook post, Katter shared his thoughts on Internet 0:06:09.782 --> 0:06:13.462 Women's Day, which he describes as pushing a dangerous agenda 0:06:13.541 --> 0:06:17.301 by turning women into victims and demonizing men. He wrote 0:06:17.301 --> 0:06:20.222 that the official theme this year was Accelerate Action, and 0:06:20.262 --> 0:06:21.902 I'm going to stop him there, because that's not the thing. 0:06:23.582 --> 0:06:27.581 It's a long story, but this random organization purchased the 0:06:27.621 --> 0:06:30.301 domain name for International Women's Day and puts out their 0:06:30.342 --> 0:06:33.421 own theme every year creates what I'm going to call 0:06:33.501 --> 0:06:37.822 corporate confusion. We go by the UN Australia theme, which 0:06:37.941 --> 0:06:39.421 was actually March Forward. 0:06:39.582 --> 0:06:42.101 Anyway, he got the theme wrong, But point. 0:06:41.941 --> 0:06:45.061 Is we're much former than accelerate. The kind of similar 0:06:45.262 --> 0:06:47.061 yeah like ballpark? 0:06:49.821 --> 0:06:53.342 Okay, well, reach for the Stars that's next to go 0:06:53.501 --> 0:06:55.782 You go girl. 0:06:56.142 --> 0:06:58.662 According to Katta, he wrote that women are not oppressed. 0:06:58.821 --> 0:07:01.662 He said, my success has been built on the quiet, 0:07:01.821 --> 0:07:05.021 unwavering strength of the women behind me. 0:07:05.421 --> 0:07:08.941 Does that do sound a little bit oppressive? Being behind 0:07:08.981 --> 0:07:11.862 and underneath? I'm mister Carter. 0:07:12.062 --> 0:07:15.022 When men talk about the women behind them, My mother 0:07:15.222 --> 0:07:18.941 wife and daughters. They're not looking for praise, according to him, 0:07:19.381 --> 0:07:22.062 just getting on with the hard work, supporting and pushing boundaries. 0:07:22.062 --> 0:07:23.942 The women in my life don't get caught up in 0:07:23.982 --> 0:07:26.262 the victimhood off and pushed on this day. They live 0:07:26.342 --> 0:07:29.622 their strength every day, quietly and powerfully with that's convenient 0:07:29.702 --> 0:07:29.941 for him. 0:07:30.022 --> 0:07:32.141 Credit, Yeah, I love that. 0:07:32.782 --> 0:07:35.381 It's like when your partner says like, oh, I love 0:07:35.381 --> 0:07:37.461 how we don't do birthday presents, and it's like, I 0:07:37.462 --> 0:07:40.261 actually wanted a birthday. To be clear, I think his 0:07:40.381 --> 0:07:42.382 wife and daughters would have liked. 0:07:42.262 --> 0:07:43.862 To I love how we don't get caught up in 0:07:43.902 --> 0:07:45.582 the patriarchy and stuff. 0:07:45.062 --> 0:07:49.302 With this house exactly, and they're like, actually, we bitch 0:07:49.302 --> 0:07:51.982 about your time. He had a few things to say 0:07:51.982 --> 0:07:54.821 about toxic masculinity, and I agree with the sentiment that 0:07:54.862 --> 0:07:57.182 women hold value whether they're in the workplace, where they're 0:07:57.182 --> 0:08:01.381 at home, and that demonizing all forms of masculinity isn't helpful. 0:08:01.862 --> 0:08:05.382 But sir, five minutes ago, you were attempting to amend 0:08:05.462 --> 0:08:09.302 Queensland abortion laws, which the Royal Australian and New Zealand 0:08:09.302 --> 0:08:11.941 College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists had to come out and 0:08:11.982 --> 0:08:14.822 oppose because they said it would cause emotional trauma for 0:08:14.902 --> 0:08:16.302 patients and healthcare providers. 0:08:16.742 --> 0:08:18.701 So he ordered to bound abortion in Queensland. 0:08:18.742 --> 0:08:22.382 He wanted to make some amendments that the expert said, 0:08:22.742 --> 0:08:25.142 what you're going to do is traumatize women who have 0:08:25.422 --> 0:08:28.101 babies that are like they're incompatible with life. 0:08:28.182 --> 0:08:29.542 So he just was like, I want to make your 0:08:29.582 --> 0:08:30.102 life harder. 0:08:30.622 --> 0:08:33.102 He'd like it on the agenda. He would definitely like 0:08:33.142 --> 0:08:33.862 it on the agenda. 0:08:34.022 --> 0:08:37.422 MEA, were you disappointed that Kata didn't just bake you 0:08:37.462 --> 0:08:39.982 a cake and give us an encouraging tap on the head. 0:08:40.262 --> 0:08:42.822 No, I think it's always a good day to hear 0:08:43.542 --> 0:08:48.142 from men like Bob Katter about what feminism should be. Sorry, 0:08:48.302 --> 0:08:52.742 Robbie Catter, Bobby Robbie Robbie is Bob Okay, son of 0:08:52.782 --> 0:08:54.582 the big Hat. I assume he also wears a. 0:08:54.582 --> 0:08:56.582 Big cat does slightly smaller hat. 0:08:56.742 --> 0:08:59.102 And because he has three daughters and a wife, he's 0:08:59.102 --> 0:09:03.062 eminently qualified to speak. And I think International Women's Day 0:09:03.102 --> 0:09:05.902 is the day that he should speak, because we need 0:09:05.942 --> 0:09:08.742 to hear more from men like him who have daughters. 0:09:09.102 --> 0:09:11.382 He also so behind them. 0:09:12.742 --> 0:09:13.462 You can't see them. 0:09:13.502 --> 0:09:16.462 They hit an He didn't say as well that International 0:09:16.502 --> 0:09:20.142 Women's Day started off as a day to really celebrate 0:09:20.182 --> 0:09:22.942 the strength of women. That's not what it started off as. 0:09:22.982 --> 0:09:25.382 It's a day of protest. So he got that fact 0:09:25.422 --> 0:09:26.062 wrong too. 0:09:25.942 --> 0:09:27.382 About things like the gender pay gap. 0:09:27.702 --> 0:09:30.182 Yeah, Holly, what did you make of our good friend Robbie. 0:09:30.382 --> 0:09:32.942 Well, look, he is exhibiting the kind of confidence in 0:09:33.022 --> 0:09:36.862 hubris that is not surprising and is apparently statistically typical 0:09:36.982 --> 0:09:38.982 of the chaps at the moment, and I, rather than 0:09:39.022 --> 0:09:41.382 criticize them for it, I think we should all take 0:09:41.422 --> 0:09:43.942 a little dose of this. There was some statistics came 0:09:43.982 --> 0:09:46.462 out last week and not that many people reported on 0:09:46.502 --> 0:09:52.182 them because they were so expected. But every few years 0:09:52.542 --> 0:09:55.582 this big report comes out. It's called the Household Income 0:09:55.622 --> 0:09:58.822 and Labor Dynamics in Australia Report Hilda, which is a 0:09:58.942 --> 0:10:02.102 very good name, a very good female name, and basically 0:10:02.182 --> 0:10:04.022 it reports on the state of men and women in 0:10:04.022 --> 0:10:06.422 lots of different areas of equality. And what it said 0:10:06.582 --> 0:10:10.622 is that Australian men are not doing any more housework, 0:10:10.742 --> 0:10:14.782 domestic chores or caregiving tasks. Actually, although that's changed a 0:10:14.782 --> 0:10:18.262 little bit then they were twenty years ago, right, So 0:10:18.422 --> 0:10:23.302 that shows a certain amount of stubbornness and commitment on 0:10:23.382 --> 0:10:26.302 their part, I think to refusing to move. But what's 0:10:26.342 --> 0:10:29.582 particularly charming is that most of them, however, think they're 0:10:29.582 --> 0:10:32.822 doing a fair share. So math isn't really my strong suit. 0:10:33.222 --> 0:10:38.062 But apparently women do at least twenty percent more household work. 0:10:38.102 --> 0:10:41.142 They always have they continue to do so. But fifty 0:10:41.142 --> 0:10:44.262 eight percent of men believe they do very much their 0:10:44.262 --> 0:10:47.662 fair share, which reminded me of the way that men 0:10:47.742 --> 0:10:51.422 behave And this is very stereotypical. Let's say heterosexual men 0:10:51.462 --> 0:10:55.942 maybe in a traditional partnership, maybe when they are suddenly 0:10:56.022 --> 0:10:58.622 required to do some like say you've got mates coming 0:10:58.702 --> 0:11:02.862 round or people coming to stay, and they're like, i'll help, 0:11:03.542 --> 0:11:06.222 and then they empty the fish tank. 0:11:06.302 --> 0:11:10.622 Perhaps, yes, so I was thinking about these. Sometimes they're 0:11:10.662 --> 0:11:13.142 put to work, like I see in my parents' dynamic. 0:11:13.822 --> 0:11:17.742 My mum will say we're hosting family Christmas this week, 0:11:18.302 --> 0:11:20.782 I need you to do some jobs, and dads like say, 0:11:20.822 --> 0:11:23.422 no more, I'm on it. I'm a helpful guy. Whipp 0:11:23.422 --> 0:11:26.702 a snipper out. Don't need the whipper snipper. Actually, we 0:11:26.742 --> 0:11:28.862 need you to wipe the bench, That is the case. 0:11:28.902 --> 0:11:32.742 And look, Luca is in terms of domestic labor. Like, 0:11:33.302 --> 0:11:36.342 you know, he is the exception. I accept the stats, 0:11:36.382 --> 0:11:38.742 but he does do a lot. But there is something 0:11:38.782 --> 0:11:42.742 where men are wired differently when it comes to hosting, right, 0:11:43.262 --> 0:11:45.702 Like when people are coming over, I think that I 0:11:45.782 --> 0:11:49.342 instinctively know I should vacuum, the house should smell good. 0:11:49.422 --> 0:11:51.982 Like there are just kind of a hierarchy of things. 0:11:52.582 --> 0:11:55.302 That's when Luca will be like, I think it's time 0:11:55.302 --> 0:11:56.142 to wage war on. 0:11:56.102 --> 0:11:58.742 The ants, and it's like no, no, no, or reoil 0:11:58.782 --> 0:11:59.382 the deck. 0:11:59.262 --> 0:12:01.502 Reoil the deck. Oh the wood is rotting. I don't 0:12:01.542 --> 0:12:04.622 give a shit, or like slug bait, I'm going to 0:12:04.702 --> 0:12:06.022 clean the dog's water bowl. 0:12:06.222 --> 0:12:09.062 No, they are not top one hundred tasks of what 0:12:09.062 --> 0:12:11.062 we need to do right now. Yeah, I don't know. 0:12:11.502 --> 0:12:13.942 I can't really get on board with this because I 0:12:14.062 --> 0:12:14.662 do nothing. 0:12:15.222 --> 0:12:16.462 Yeah, you're really the exception. 0:12:16.742 --> 0:12:18.942 Yeah, what do you mean when you say you do nothing? 0:12:18.982 --> 0:12:21.502 You mean ever? Or when people are coming round. 0:12:21.622 --> 0:12:24.742 People are coming round? Both you've held, you've held Christmas before? 0:12:25.542 --> 0:12:27.542 What do you do you spill something in preparation? 0:12:27.902 --> 0:12:30.381 Yeah, no, I'll go and buy things. I'll go and 0:12:30.422 --> 0:12:32.622 buy vessels to put things in. Like I'll go and 0:12:32.622 --> 0:12:35.262 buy bins and Jason will be like, why are you 0:12:35.302 --> 0:12:38.142 buying bins? I'm like, because I feel like we need them. 0:12:38.462 --> 0:12:39.862 Yeah, right, that's your contribution. 0:12:39.942 --> 0:12:43.141 Yeah, I think men often will. Again we're talking in 0:12:43.222 --> 0:12:47.302 such stereotypes, but maybe look at the exterior of the house. 0:12:47.942 --> 0:12:51.382 Perhaps they go outside, they wage war with the possums. 0:12:51.662 --> 0:12:53.782 Yeah. I just think that there are some people who 0:12:53.782 --> 0:12:55.862 are good entertainers, good hostesses I know we're going to 0:12:55.902 --> 0:12:59.102 be talking about Megan in a minute, and some who aren't, 0:12:59.342 --> 0:13:02.582 some who really think about the moments that their guests 0:13:02.662 --> 0:13:03.622 need to experience. 0:13:04.182 --> 0:13:06.462 I accept that to a point. But even if you 0:13:06.542 --> 0:13:10.102 don't like hosting, there is a certain amount of hosting 0:13:10.142 --> 0:13:12.742 that in every life must fall, right, Like, you're not 0:13:12.862 --> 0:13:16.102 going to get away with never ever having family members 0:13:16.182 --> 0:13:18.982 or people coming round. So I totally agree with you. 0:13:19.062 --> 0:13:20.622 Some people love it and it's a way of them 0:13:20.622 --> 0:13:23.982 expressing their love, and that's great, But there's also just 0:13:23.982 --> 0:13:27.222 a certain amount of grudge hosting that has to oh yeah, 0:13:27.262 --> 0:13:31.022 and so when that occurs, who does it? That's kind 0:13:31.062 --> 0:13:32.222 of what this is about, right. 0:13:32.462 --> 0:13:35.982 That's another argument that I have with my husband a lot, 0:13:36.102 --> 0:13:39.222 because I feel that if they're close enough to come 0:13:39.302 --> 0:13:41.862 to your house. You shouldn't really have to do anything. 0:13:42.302 --> 0:13:44.702 I have people in and out of my house all 0:13:44.702 --> 0:13:46.462 the time, and I'm like, do I need to clean up? 0:13:46.502 --> 0:13:49.022 Not really in terms of being the change you need 0:13:49.102 --> 0:13:52.261 to see in the world, we should normalize you come 0:13:52.302 --> 0:13:54.142 to my house and it looks like it does on 0:13:54.182 --> 0:13:57.502 a random Tuesday night. But we can't because we've so 0:13:57.742 --> 0:13:59.742 internalized the idea. 0:13:59.582 --> 0:14:02.662 Yes and maya your baseline of your house. And maybe 0:14:02.662 --> 0:14:05.262 it's because your kids are older and stuff is pretty good, 0:14:05.342 --> 0:14:07.902 right my mum growing up two sets of twins in 0:14:07.942 --> 0:14:11.462 two and a half years house. You could see the 0:14:11.462 --> 0:14:13.502 floor right, really really messy, and people are going to 0:14:13.582 --> 0:14:16.182 drop in, and I remember my mum has spoken about 0:14:16.182 --> 0:14:19.302 this moment and my mum is difficult to offend. But 0:14:19.622 --> 0:14:21.302 I think someone dropped in. You know, people used to 0:14:21.302 --> 0:14:24.662 do that, They used to drop in. And this friend 0:14:24.742 --> 0:14:26.742 went and whispered to other friends about the state of 0:14:26.742 --> 0:14:28.982 the house and how horrified she Oh my god. And 0:14:29.262 --> 0:14:31.782 that will always fall on women. That is never like, 0:14:31.862 --> 0:14:36.102 can you believe how Tony manages that house well? 0:14:36.102 --> 0:14:37.862 Because men aren't judged by. 0:14:37.982 --> 0:14:41.142 No that as a and as there were some great 0:14:41.222 --> 0:14:44.462 videos going around over the weekend to mark International Women's Day, 0:14:44.502 --> 0:14:46.782 and I just want to play you this clip by 0:14:46.822 --> 0:14:49.382 one of my favorite comedians. Her name is Sarah Pasco, 0:14:49.542 --> 0:14:51.822 and here's what she said about the gender divide. 0:14:52.022 --> 0:14:53.502 Equality is a lie. 0:14:54.262 --> 0:14:58.342 All there is is oh women, go on, have jobs, 0:14:58.942 --> 0:15:00.982 go on, have careers if you want one, go on. 0:15:01.142 --> 0:15:02.742 Be proud of yourself as long as when you come 0:15:02.742 --> 0:15:04.942 home you very quickly do all of the housework like 0:15:05.022 --> 0:15:08.862 it's your hobby. And if you're a straight man, now 0:15:08.982 --> 0:15:12.782 shout in at in your head being no. Actually, I 0:15:12.782 --> 0:15:16.182 put a ladder back in the shed on Saturday. I 0:15:16.302 --> 0:15:22.222 cleaned the bath when she was crying on her birthday. 0:15:22.462 --> 0:15:24.862 Thank you, thank. 0:15:24.662 --> 0:15:27.822 You, you're one of the good ones. I'm actually not 0:15:27.862 --> 0:15:30.942 attacking you. I'm not saying that men don't do anything 0:15:31.262 --> 0:15:33.422 you do, but it's just that there is too much 0:15:33.502 --> 0:15:36.542 to do and our input isn't parity. And I do 0:15:36.662 --> 0:15:40.142 have proof men if they want to, I have so 0:15:40.262 --> 0:15:42.182 much spare time about being dads that they can have 0:15:42.182 --> 0:15:43.502 secret second families. 0:15:46.822 --> 0:15:48.982 Just jump in the car half. 0:15:48.782 --> 0:15:51.382 An hour down the road, another bit of dinner. 0:15:52.862 --> 0:15:53.702 Night kids. 0:15:54.102 --> 0:15:56.702 There is no woman who after twenty four hours of 0:15:56.822 --> 0:16:03.702 drudgery and then I go to Chelmsford and I scrub 0:16:03.822 --> 0:16:04.902 somebody else's kitchen. 0:16:08.142 --> 0:16:10.102 I love that, And I thought that there were that 0:16:10.382 --> 0:16:12.182 you referred to, Holly. There was a great line in 0:16:12.222 --> 0:16:15.582 it that said, the report also shows men are more 0:16:15.622 --> 0:16:18.222 satisfied than women with the division of the unpaid. 0:16:18.622 --> 0:16:21.102 And I'm like, yeah, I bet, I bet they are going. 0:16:21.182 --> 0:16:22.822 I think things are actually fine. 0:16:22.942 --> 0:16:26.982 I've got an extra six hours a week. In a moment, 0:16:27.262 --> 0:16:30.182 has Loved Meghan showed how the royal family made a 0:16:30.222 --> 0:16:37.382 big mistake in letting their gold star princess go. Meg 0:16:37.462 --> 0:16:41.182 Sussex is celebrating today. Her show with Love Meghan is 0:16:41.182 --> 0:16:44.382 in Netflix's top ten worldwide and has officially been greenlit 0:16:44.462 --> 0:16:47.102 for a second season, which has already been filmed. So 0:16:47.182 --> 0:16:49.102 we don't imagine that was very much of a surprise 0:16:49.142 --> 0:16:52.782 to Megs. But anyway, it's good if you like me. 0:16:53.142 --> 0:16:57.022 Spent the weekend watching Meg's perfect manicure doing lovely things 0:16:57.062 --> 0:17:00.222 to Lettice, You've been thinking a lot about this new 0:17:00.342 --> 0:17:03.422 act of Duchess Meghan. She's on the cover of People, 0:17:03.502 --> 0:17:06.422 she's on the Drew Barrymore Show, she's out of hiding, 0:17:06.821 --> 0:17:11.342 and what's on full display her perfect credentials as a princess. 0:17:12.061 --> 0:17:14.701 Now the story goes according to both the royal family 0:17:14.742 --> 0:17:17.061 at the time and Harry in his book, which we 0:17:17.141 --> 0:17:19.262 won't discuss the title of because we all know that 0:17:19.302 --> 0:17:22.701 it's me or what is it Wow that when everything 0:17:22.742 --> 0:17:25.621 went down and Harry and Meghan exited the royal family, 0:17:25.982 --> 0:17:28.461 what the Sussexes wanted at the time and what they 0:17:28.581 --> 0:17:31.421 tried to negotiate to get was a different model of 0:17:31.502 --> 0:17:34.101 royal life, right. They wanted one where maybe they could 0:17:34.141 --> 0:17:37.262 live overseas, be allowed to make their own money, and 0:17:37.341 --> 0:17:40.341 do good for causes that they cared about on their terms. 0:17:40.821 --> 0:17:45.341 And those negotiations famously failed. But actually it's exactly what's 0:17:45.422 --> 0:17:48.341 ended up happening because Harry and Meghan are living their 0:17:48.462 --> 0:17:52.221 royal light life. They live overseas, they make their own money, 0:17:52.462 --> 0:17:55.461 and as last year's tours to Nigeria and Columbia showed, 0:17:55.502 --> 0:17:58.502 as well as the Invictus Games and their Archroal Foundation projects, 0:17:58.782 --> 0:18:02.542 they're doing royal esque charity and ambassadorship roles on their 0:18:02.581 --> 0:18:06.861 own terms. But most of all, Meg proves herself, I 0:18:06.901 --> 0:18:10.901 think through this show to be the perfect princess Mia. 0:18:11.022 --> 0:18:13.782 Do you think that the proper royals are kicking themselves 0:18:13.821 --> 0:18:14.262 this week. 0:18:15.262 --> 0:18:18.661 Yeah, I do in a way, although obviously she I 0:18:18.661 --> 0:18:20.941 mean she could have had this show as a royal. 0:18:21.061 --> 0:18:25.661 She really could have, because well, everything that people complain 0:18:25.782 --> 0:18:30.461 about about the show is what makes a royal woman 0:18:30.782 --> 0:18:34.462 good at her job. She looks beautiful, she's very thin, 0:18:34.702 --> 0:18:40.902 she's very perfect. She is utterly inoffensive, bordering on bland. 0:18:41.621 --> 0:18:46.902 She's very careful to be inclusive, to not do anything controversial. 0:18:47.302 --> 0:18:50.142 When she cooks Mexican food, she has a Mexican chef there. 0:18:50.182 --> 0:18:53.621 When she cooks Korean food, she has a Korean chef there. 0:18:54.182 --> 0:18:58.181 There's nothing sort of to grab hold of, and people 0:18:58.422 --> 0:19:01.462 are acting as though that is a flaw, but it's 0:19:01.462 --> 0:19:05.022 actually the feature. It's the feature of It was the 0:19:05.061 --> 0:19:08.942 feature of Instagram influencers in you know, twenty fifteen or so, 0:19:09.101 --> 0:19:12.782 before things became more extreme and they needed to find 0:19:12.821 --> 0:19:16.101 more dramatic ways to get attention. And it was the 0:19:16.182 --> 0:19:18.421 model for the Tig, which was her lifestyle blog that 0:19:18.502 --> 0:19:22.661 she had back then. And it's essentially also what Kate 0:19:23.101 --> 0:19:26.102 Middleton does, Like that's what she has to do as 0:19:26.101 --> 0:19:28.981 a princess. You have to be ornamental, you have to 0:19:29.022 --> 0:19:32.942 be decorative. You have to be kind and supportive and 0:19:32.982 --> 0:19:36.061 caring of other people, or at least perform that, and 0:19:36.101 --> 0:19:37.581 that's exactly what she's doing. 0:19:37.942 --> 0:19:40.061 She's very good at it, and I agree with everything 0:19:40.061 --> 0:19:42.821 you've said, But Kate could never make that show because 0:19:43.101 --> 0:19:45.341 if you think about the criticism that's come for Megan 0:19:45.422 --> 0:19:50.182 about unrelatability, the money, the time, all that stuff. If 0:19:50.222 --> 0:19:52.701 that was a proper Royal, that would also come with 0:19:52.742 --> 0:19:56.502 a side of we're paying for those flowers, We're paying 0:19:56.581 --> 0:19:59.941 for that house. Obviously, the actual literal logistics of that 0:19:59.982 --> 0:20:04.621 are complicated, but that's why royals have to look aspirationally 0:20:04.702 --> 0:20:10.741 wealthy and glamorous, but not ostentatiously glamorous, because that is 0:20:10.782 --> 0:20:13.141 a bit like, well, you're paying for those jewels, you 0:20:13.182 --> 0:20:16.381 know what I mean. So Megan's got the freedom to 0:20:16.462 --> 0:20:18.742 be able to show the lifestyle that she obviously really 0:20:18.821 --> 0:20:21.421 likes and she obviously really wanted and certainly is on 0:20:21.621 --> 0:20:24.861 par with what the Royals are living without that level 0:20:24.861 --> 0:20:28.262 of criticism. But I think it's true. I think that 0:20:28.341 --> 0:20:31.901 she is very skilled at the kind of royal show 0:20:32.101 --> 0:20:36.701 just enough without saying too much, seem relatable, while also 0:20:36.942 --> 0:20:39.861 never messy, say a lot of words without any of 0:20:39.901 --> 0:20:42.022 them really saying any think that's what royals do. You're 0:20:42.061 --> 0:20:45.302