1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,904 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,944 --> 00:00:29,624 Speaker 1: to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,624 --> 00:00:32,264 Speaker 1: Brodney and I'm Kisseenie Luke Kisch and coming up on 7 00:00:32,304 --> 00:00:34,864 Speaker 1: the show today, one of our favorite new Hollywood couples 8 00:00:34,904 --> 00:00:37,264 Speaker 1: has had a hard launch, but there's some backstory there 9 00:00:37,264 --> 00:00:40,664 Speaker 1: we need to get into. Plus, Lena Dunham, while she's 10 00:00:40,664 --> 00:00:43,184 Speaker 1: on the press tour for her new Netflix show, has 11 00:00:43,304 --> 00:00:46,824 Speaker 1: done almost an apology to explainer for her TV show Girls, 12 00:00:46,864 --> 00:00:48,384 Speaker 1: and we're going to get into that because I have 13 00:00:48,464 --> 00:00:51,624 Speaker 1: maybe some controversial thoughts about that the listeners won't be expecting. 14 00:00:51,704 --> 00:00:53,784 Speaker 1: I think you have a safe place to say it. 15 00:00:54,144 --> 00:00:56,464 Speaker 2: But first, I actually don't know what your thoughts are 16 00:00:56,504 --> 00:00:56,944 Speaker 2: on this yet. 17 00:00:56,944 --> 00:01:00,704 Speaker 1: So I'm excited. I'm emotionally here, I'm emotionally working through 18 00:01:00,744 --> 00:01:02,864 Speaker 1: it as the pod record, so stand by, we don't 19 00:01:02,864 --> 00:01:03,584 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. 20 00:01:03,944 --> 00:01:06,944 Speaker 3: But first, so Alyssa's come out for the top grossing 21 00:01:07,184 --> 00:01:11,184 Speaker 3: actors of all time, and you might be a little 22 00:01:11,184 --> 00:01:14,144 Speaker 3: bit surprised at who is at the top, and it 23 00:01:14,224 --> 00:01:15,944 Speaker 3: is in fact a woman, which I'm. 24 00:01:15,824 --> 00:01:18,664 Speaker 2: Quite excited about. It is Scarlet Johansson. 25 00:01:19,344 --> 00:01:21,664 Speaker 3: Now, I want to make clear that we're talking about 26 00:01:21,744 --> 00:01:26,104 Speaker 3: highest grossing movies, not highest paid. There is a difference, 27 00:01:26,344 --> 00:01:27,984 Speaker 3: which will chat about a little bit later. But it's 28 00:01:28,024 --> 00:01:31,224 Speaker 3: really interesting because I don't know if people would really 29 00:01:31,264 --> 00:01:35,264 Speaker 3: expect Scajo to be topping this list, but since Jurassic 30 00:01:35,384 --> 00:01:39,704 Speaker 3: World Rebirth has just been released, it's really taken her 31 00:01:39,704 --> 00:01:41,704 Speaker 3: to the top of this list. So she's grossed over 32 00:01:41,784 --> 00:01:46,344 Speaker 3: fourteen point eight billion dollars at the box office, thanks 33 00:01:46,464 --> 00:01:51,464 Speaker 3: mostly to her part in the Marvel Universe the MCU, 34 00:01:51,584 --> 00:01:55,144 Speaker 3: so she's obviously played Black Widow in basically every single 35 00:01:55,424 --> 00:02:00,384 Speaker 3: Marvel movie from Avengers one to her own Black Widow movie. 36 00:02:00,384 --> 00:02:05,784 Speaker 3: But interestingly, Black Widow, which was her solo movie, only 37 00:02:05,824 --> 00:02:08,224 Speaker 3: made three hundred and seventy nine million dollars in total 38 00:02:08,304 --> 00:02:11,864 Speaker 3: at the box office, so hind mostly by the pandemic. 39 00:02:11,944 --> 00:02:15,704 Speaker 3: But it kind of goes to show that even though 40 00:02:15,744 --> 00:02:18,224 Speaker 3: she's had a sort of maybe more of a supporting 41 00:02:18,344 --> 00:02:23,904 Speaker 3: role in these movies, stacked up has made her very 42 00:02:24,024 --> 00:02:25,864 Speaker 3: very successful in terms of grossing. 43 00:02:26,104 --> 00:02:28,744 Speaker 2: Again, that doesn't necessarily reflect in her paycheck. 44 00:02:29,424 --> 00:02:31,744 Speaker 3: But I thought it would be interesting to go into 45 00:02:31,984 --> 00:02:34,984 Speaker 3: some of the other top ten just to kind of 46 00:02:34,984 --> 00:02:36,744 Speaker 3: get in a bit of an idea. Now, it's not 47 00:02:36,784 --> 00:02:41,064 Speaker 3: going to surprise anybody that it's mostly men, and it's 48 00:02:41,184 --> 00:02:43,424 Speaker 3: mostly people in the MCU universe. 49 00:02:43,624 --> 00:02:44,704 Speaker 1: Yes, that is not surprising. 50 00:02:44,944 --> 00:02:48,424 Speaker 3: Okay, So at number ten we have Chris Evans nine 51 00:02:48,584 --> 00:02:54,344 Speaker 3: The Rock eight, Vin Diesel that would probably and Furious seven, 52 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:59,344 Speaker 3: Chris Hemsworth six, Tom Cruise five, Chris Pratt four. 53 00:03:00,104 --> 00:03:01,024 Speaker 2: Zoe Saldana. 54 00:03:01,624 --> 00:03:03,344 Speaker 1: Yes, not at all surprising when you look at the 55 00:03:03,344 --> 00:03:06,024 Speaker 1: fact that she's mostly a franchise, blockbuster actress. 56 00:03:06,144 --> 00:03:08,144 Speaker 2: Yes, so, I mean we've got Gut into the Galaxy. 57 00:03:08,304 --> 00:03:10,784 Speaker 3: She was in Star Trek and of course Avatar, so 58 00:03:10,904 --> 00:03:13,224 Speaker 3: that is going to really help bring her up. But 59 00:03:13,304 --> 00:03:16,104 Speaker 3: she's the only other woman in the list. Number three 60 00:03:16,144 --> 00:03:18,304 Speaker 3: is Robert Downey Jr. And I don't think you will 61 00:03:18,304 --> 00:03:19,144 Speaker 3: guess number. 62 00:03:18,864 --> 00:03:22,024 Speaker 1: Two Samuel L. Jackson. Oh, I think I'm the wrong 63 00:03:22,064 --> 00:03:25,664 Speaker 1: person to ask that, because that's because he's in pretty 64 00:03:25,744 --> 00:03:28,784 Speaker 1: much every Marvel movie. That's his whole thing is that 65 00:03:28,824 --> 00:03:31,944 Speaker 1: he's the connecting tissue between all of these movies. And 66 00:03:31,944 --> 00:03:34,544 Speaker 1: because all of those movies are the highest grossing. That 67 00:03:34,584 --> 00:03:36,504 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Yeah, okay, so but some 68 00:03:37,224 --> 00:03:38,704 Speaker 1: parties that'll work for someone else. 69 00:03:38,624 --> 00:03:41,424 Speaker 2: You and you ruined it for me. Sorry, but it 70 00:03:41,504 --> 00:03:43,184 Speaker 2: is very interesting. It's all franchises. 71 00:03:43,224 --> 00:03:44,824 Speaker 3: It kind of just goes to show that this is 72 00:03:44,824 --> 00:03:49,984 Speaker 3: why Hollywood keeps churning out these big blockbuster action movies 73 00:03:50,024 --> 00:03:53,464 Speaker 3: because it's clearly what sells the box offers. But well done, 74 00:03:53,464 --> 00:03:55,984 Speaker 3: scar Jo. It'll be interesting if she kind of gets 75 00:03:56,104 --> 00:03:56,944 Speaker 3: knocked off of that. 76 00:03:57,984 --> 00:04:00,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, looking at this news wool yesterday when 77 00:04:00,624 --> 00:04:03,064 Speaker 1: it broke, some people were surprised about it, but coming 78 00:04:03,104 --> 00:04:05,424 Speaker 1: off the back of a huge franchise like that, where 79 00:04:05,504 --> 00:04:08,464 Speaker 1: she not only had the paycheck from the Marvel movies, 80 00:04:08,504 --> 00:04:10,944 Speaker 1: but she also had a percentage of the box office 81 00:04:10,984 --> 00:04:13,744 Speaker 1: earnings for the movies, which is huge, which is why 82 00:04:13,864 --> 00:04:17,304 Speaker 1: she sued Marvel and Disney for the Black Widow. Elase 83 00:04:17,344 --> 00:04:19,104 Speaker 1: to remember that because it was only meant to be 84 00:04:19,104 --> 00:04:21,944 Speaker 1: a theater release in her contract, and because of the pandemic, 85 00:04:21,984 --> 00:04:25,744 Speaker 1: they put it onto streaming early, yes, and so that 86 00:04:25,784 --> 00:04:28,184 Speaker 1: obviously cut the box office in half, and she sued 87 00:04:28,224 --> 00:04:30,304 Speaker 1: them for that. But you know, she's still doing okay 88 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:32,824 Speaker 1: with the Jurassic Park money. It's interesting because a lot 89 00:04:32,824 --> 00:04:34,744 Speaker 1: of people have been having that question of like, is 90 00:04:34,744 --> 00:04:37,424 Speaker 1: it super empowering that it's a woman or does it 91 00:04:37,504 --> 00:04:40,144 Speaker 1: feel because the list is mostly men, and also it's 92 00:04:40,304 --> 00:04:42,824 Speaker 1: like a rich white woman in Hollywood? Is that interesting 93 00:04:42,864 --> 00:04:43,144 Speaker 1: at all? 94 00:04:43,344 --> 00:04:45,944 Speaker 3: I think it's it's interesting. I mean, Skajo has been 95 00:04:45,984 --> 00:04:50,304 Speaker 3: around for a long time. She is a staple in Hollywood, 96 00:04:50,744 --> 00:04:56,864 Speaker 3: and despite the backlash from the Jurassic Park rebirth movies, 97 00:04:56,904 --> 00:04:59,984 Speaker 3: in this particular office, yeah, I think. 98 00:04:59,864 --> 00:05:02,184 Speaker 1: It's mostly been in this office and it's doing so 99 00:05:02,264 --> 00:05:03,024 Speaker 1: well everywhere else. 100 00:05:03,104 --> 00:05:03,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the. 101 00:05:03,624 --> 00:05:05,944 Speaker 3: Group chats, it doesn't seem to be doing too well, 102 00:05:06,024 --> 00:05:07,864 Speaker 3: but you know it's still going to bring in those 103 00:05:07,904 --> 00:05:10,944 Speaker 3: big dollars. And univers will know that because this is 104 00:05:10,984 --> 00:05:12,464 Speaker 3: such a huge franchise for them. 105 00:05:12,944 --> 00:05:15,864 Speaker 2: But just as a bit of a comparison, I. 106 00:05:15,784 --> 00:05:17,904 Speaker 3: Thought we could go back and have a look at 107 00:05:18,144 --> 00:05:21,304 Speaker 3: the highest paid actor. So highest paid now, I think 108 00:05:21,304 --> 00:05:23,704 Speaker 3: we all know who number one is, Yes. 109 00:05:23,904 --> 00:05:25,904 Speaker 1: Number one, number one. I don't even think I know 110 00:05:26,024 --> 00:05:28,064 Speaker 1: that in terms of men, do you think. 111 00:05:28,104 --> 00:05:29,784 Speaker 2: This is a multi sex list? 112 00:05:30,064 --> 00:05:32,824 Speaker 1: Oh well, I know. Sandra Bullock is the highest paid 113 00:05:33,184 --> 00:05:36,144 Speaker 1: actress for a single movie for Gravity for her paycheck 114 00:05:36,184 --> 00:05:38,664 Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, But going down the rest of the list, 115 00:05:38,664 --> 00:05:40,024 Speaker 1: I don't know who's one hundred percent number one. 116 00:05:40,144 --> 00:05:43,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're looking at the Forbes highest Paid Actors 117 00:05:43,144 --> 00:05:46,384 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four. So number eight is Nicole Kidman 118 00:05:46,624 --> 00:05:53,264 Speaker 3: the thirty one million dollars, George Clooney thirty one, Jerry Seinfeld, 119 00:05:54,064 --> 00:05:57,024 Speaker 3: number three, Kevin Hart at eighty one million, Number two 120 00:05:57,704 --> 00:06:01,304 Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds at eighty five million, and number one is 121 00:06:01,384 --> 00:06:05,304 Speaker 3: Dwayne the Rock Johnson at eighty eight medion dollars. 122 00:06:05,544 --> 00:06:08,144 Speaker 1: I gotta say I find it less interesting kind of 123 00:06:08,144 --> 00:06:11,024 Speaker 1: this like tabling of who's made the most more interesting 124 00:06:11,144 --> 00:06:13,064 Speaker 1: the backstories around it, because at the end of the day, 125 00:06:13,504 --> 00:06:17,704 Speaker 1: millionaires getting paid millionaire salaries. I don't think for movies, 126 00:06:17,824 --> 00:06:21,224 Speaker 1: isn't that super interesting with a scarlet thing. It's like 127 00:06:21,304 --> 00:06:23,304 Speaker 1: it might have been empowering a few years ago. Now 128 00:06:23,304 --> 00:06:25,344 Speaker 1: I just find it very only because her name's attached 129 00:06:25,384 --> 00:06:26,544 Speaker 1: to so many franchises. 130 00:06:26,664 --> 00:06:26,864 Speaker 2: Yeah. 131 00:06:26,904 --> 00:06:28,744 Speaker 1: What I find more interesting is the names who are 132 00:06:28,784 --> 00:06:31,304 Speaker 1: creeping up the list for different things, Like Margo Robbie 133 00:06:31,424 --> 00:06:33,664 Speaker 1: has been solidly moving up the list, and she's in 134 00:06:33,744 --> 00:06:36,264 Speaker 1: the top now. But that's because she gets paid a 135 00:06:36,344 --> 00:06:39,104 Speaker 1: huge amount for some of her roles, but mostly because 136 00:06:39,104 --> 00:06:41,184 Speaker 1: she produces like Barbie and that sort of thing, which 137 00:06:41,224 --> 00:06:44,344 Speaker 1: obviously skewers the list. And also Charlie's thereon being so 138 00:06:44,464 --> 00:06:46,424 Speaker 1: far up the list even though she hasn't had one 139 00:06:46,424 --> 00:06:50,184 Speaker 1: of those really big blockbusters or really like Oscar Worthy 140 00:06:50,184 --> 00:06:52,184 Speaker 1: movies for a while. It's like a steady stream of 141 00:06:52,184 --> 00:06:53,144 Speaker 1: work over many years. 142 00:06:53,224 --> 00:06:53,424 Speaker 2: Yeah. 143 00:06:53,464 --> 00:06:55,864 Speaker 3: I think one of the key things is, like, if 144 00:06:55,904 --> 00:06:58,984 Speaker 3: you want to be successful in Hollywood, get into like 145 00:06:59,024 --> 00:07:04,464 Speaker 3: the MCU or a big franchise, and also get yourself some. 146 00:07:05,304 --> 00:07:08,344 Speaker 2: Of the profits off the boxing. Yeah, Like that's what 147 00:07:08,424 --> 00:07:09,624 Speaker 2: Robbie Danney Junior did. 148 00:07:10,424 --> 00:07:12,384 Speaker 3: That's what he did with Iron Man right at the 149 00:07:12,464 --> 00:07:15,904 Speaker 3: beginning of the sort of explosion of the MCU universe, 150 00:07:16,184 --> 00:07:19,304 Speaker 3: and that's why he was so successful with these movies. 151 00:07:19,464 --> 00:07:21,544 Speaker 1: I know. But I also, I mean, I don't one 152 00:07:21,584 --> 00:07:23,744 Speaker 1: of those people who thinks the Marvel movies are bland, 153 00:07:23,824 --> 00:07:25,904 Speaker 1: like some of them are my favorite movies. But I 154 00:07:25,944 --> 00:07:28,064 Speaker 1: do find this kind of this way of looking at 155 00:07:28,064 --> 00:07:30,184 Speaker 1: it in terms of like I'll make this many franchises 156 00:07:30,224 --> 00:07:31,704 Speaker 1: and I'll put my name on the box office for this. 157 00:07:31,984 --> 00:07:34,304 Speaker 1: I guess for some people like Scarlet and Hanson and 158 00:07:34,384 --> 00:07:37,584 Speaker 1: Margo Robbie. Yeah, no, no, no, I know, but that's 159 00:07:37,824 --> 00:07:40,264 Speaker 1: kind of like that's like it's become a business making 160 00:07:40,304 --> 00:07:43,744 Speaker 1: thing rather than like attaching themselves like interesting projects. But 161 00:07:43,784 --> 00:07:45,464 Speaker 1: I guess then you have someone like a Margot Robbie 162 00:07:45,464 --> 00:07:47,944 Speaker 1: who says that she'll wear like a fancy down get 163 00:07:47,944 --> 00:07:49,584 Speaker 1: paid a million dollars so that she can go like 164 00:07:49,624 --> 00:07:52,424 Speaker 1: go and make a lower budget movie. So anyway, come 165 00:07:52,464 --> 00:07:54,904 Speaker 1: got to Scarlet Johanson, sewing Disney really works for her. 166 00:07:55,024 --> 00:07:58,024 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, she's not going to see that billions 167 00:07:58,024 --> 00:08:00,784 Speaker 3: of dollars, but still it made the headlines. 168 00:08:00,824 --> 00:08:04,704 Speaker 2: And here we are. I don't know about you, Laura, 169 00:08:04,864 --> 00:08:07,464 Speaker 2: but I am a massive tennis fan. And why of not? 170 00:08:08,104 --> 00:08:09,744 Speaker 1: But I enjoy any sport where you can kind of 171 00:08:09,744 --> 00:08:11,664 Speaker 1: sin this shape to drink, which is I assume what 172 00:08:11,704 --> 00:08:13,104 Speaker 1: you do at the tennis. 173 00:08:12,864 --> 00:08:14,944 Speaker 3: Well, you know it's got There's a couple of really 174 00:08:14,984 --> 00:08:17,984 Speaker 3: big tournaments and the biggest one, as we all know, 175 00:08:18,184 --> 00:08:21,544 Speaker 3: is Wimbledon, one of the most famous. Now, not only 176 00:08:21,704 --> 00:08:26,224 Speaker 3: is the tennis very interesting, but the star spotting is 177 00:08:26,304 --> 00:08:30,304 Speaker 3: this is, oh, come on, like looking in the stands 178 00:08:30,384 --> 00:08:33,224 Speaker 3: at every single tournament is always part of the fun. 179 00:08:33,944 --> 00:08:36,184 Speaker 2: Now, we have had some great star. 180 00:08:36,024 --> 00:08:40,304 Speaker 3: Spotting at this year's Wimbledon, as well as a relationship 181 00:08:40,784 --> 00:08:42,664 Speaker 3: hard launch that we're going to get into a little 182 00:08:42,664 --> 00:08:44,704 Speaker 3: bit later. But the first thing I want to talk 183 00:08:44,704 --> 00:08:48,104 Speaker 3: about is a couple of my favorite celeb sidings. Now, 184 00:08:48,224 --> 00:08:50,984 Speaker 3: I first want to preface this by saying, if you 185 00:08:51,144 --> 00:08:54,944 Speaker 3: don't know, in these kind of big tournaments, a lot 186 00:08:54,944 --> 00:08:58,064 Speaker 3: of the time they'll have big sponsors, right, kind of 187 00:08:58,304 --> 00:09:01,464 Speaker 3: like in you know, Melbourne Cup, we've got our different 188 00:09:01,544 --> 00:09:04,744 Speaker 3: marquees in the birdcage and they're sponsored by different places 189 00:09:04,984 --> 00:09:08,224 Speaker 3: and they bring in lots of different celebrities. So at 190 00:09:08,344 --> 00:09:11,624 Speaker 3: Wimbledon this year, kind of the biggest sponsor was Ralph Lauren, 191 00:09:12,424 --> 00:09:15,104 Speaker 3: so they brought in a lot of really big stars, 192 00:09:15,264 --> 00:09:20,704 Speaker 3: including mord Apatow, Poppy de Lavine, we had Nick Jonas 193 00:09:20,744 --> 00:09:25,504 Speaker 3: and Preanca Chopra. We had Olivia Rodrigo and Louis Partridge. 194 00:09:25,584 --> 00:09:27,744 Speaker 3: How cute have you seen the photos of Olivia Rodrigo 195 00:09:27,944 --> 00:09:28,744 Speaker 3: in Yeah. 196 00:09:28,904 --> 00:09:30,704 Speaker 1: No, No, I'm very loved up. And there's one point 197 00:09:30,704 --> 00:09:33,184 Speaker 1: where they're having conversation to stand and he's like, just 198 00:09:33,184 --> 00:09:34,944 Speaker 1: hold my hand while we keep talking like you can 199 00:09:34,984 --> 00:09:36,664 Speaker 1: see him now that and then they hold hands and 200 00:09:36,744 --> 00:09:38,544 Speaker 1: keep talking, and I was like, I know, the bar's low, 201 00:09:38,584 --> 00:09:39,304 Speaker 1: but it's really cute. 202 00:09:39,344 --> 00:09:40,944 Speaker 3: If you want to go and have a look at 203 00:09:40,984 --> 00:09:43,864 Speaker 3: like the Ralph Lauren Instagram page, you can see. 204 00:09:43,704 --> 00:09:45,464 Speaker 2: Like most of the worth. 205 00:09:45,504 --> 00:09:45,944 Speaker 1: That's sure. 206 00:09:46,024 --> 00:09:48,304 Speaker 3: They definitely got their money's worth. They dressed everyone. They 207 00:09:48,304 --> 00:09:52,024 Speaker 3: did these beautiful portraits of everyone. But I think probably 208 00:09:52,064 --> 00:09:55,544 Speaker 3: the one everyone is most excited about is Andrew Garfield 209 00:09:55,584 --> 00:10:00,024 Speaker 3: and Monica Barbaro hard launching their relationship. They were very, 210 00:10:00,224 --> 00:10:01,784 Speaker 3: very loved up in the stands. 211 00:10:02,184 --> 00:10:05,184 Speaker 1: Yes, for fans of this relationship, which I do count 212 00:10:05,224 --> 00:10:08,024 Speaker 1: myself among them, this has been kind of bubbling away 213 00:10:08,304 --> 00:10:10,984 Speaker 1: in like the background of photos and things since the 214 00:10:11,104 --> 00:10:13,704 Speaker 1: end of last year when People magazine first reported that 215 00:10:13,704 --> 00:10:17,264 Speaker 1: they were together. So that also coincided with Monica Barbaro, 216 00:10:17,384 --> 00:10:20,424 Speaker 1: who's been in the industry for decades. She remember, like 217 00:10:20,584 --> 00:10:22,624 Speaker 1: over a decade ago, I went to Canada for a 218 00:10:22,664 --> 00:10:24,584 Speaker 1: film trip and she was on the TV show that 219 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:27,024 Speaker 1: I was there for, and she wasn't working that day 220 00:10:27,064 --> 00:10:29,624 Speaker 1: because she was like tenth on the call list, But 221 00:10:29,784 --> 00:10:31,864 Speaker 1: she and I sat in this tenth together all day 222 00:10:32,184 --> 00:10:34,704 Speaker 1: on this Blueberry Farm in Canada for this TV show, 223 00:10:35,064 --> 00:10:36,784 Speaker 1: and she said that she just was coming on her 224 00:10:36,864 --> 00:10:38,744 Speaker 1: days off to watch to try and like learn the 225 00:10:38,784 --> 00:10:41,184 Speaker 1: business a bit more, and she was like really wanting 226 00:10:41,224 --> 00:10:42,704 Speaker 1: to be an actress, and I was like, I feel 227 00:10:42,704 --> 00:10:44,464 Speaker 1: like you will be anyway. Since then, she's been in 228 00:10:44,464 --> 00:10:45,264 Speaker 1: Top Gun Maverick. 229 00:10:45,584 --> 00:10:48,544 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but like, let's just if she's not 230 00:10:48,624 --> 00:10:51,424 Speaker 3: a massively well known name. Obviously, since the Oscars this 231 00:10:51,504 --> 00:10:54,144 Speaker 3: year she has been. So she was nominated for her 232 00:10:54,224 --> 00:10:57,904 Speaker 3: role as Joan Bayers in a complete unknown yeah, across 233 00:10:57,904 --> 00:11:00,224 Speaker 3: from Timothy Shalla made so that really kind of blew her. 234 00:11:00,384 --> 00:11:02,064 Speaker 1: Blew her up, and coming off the back of Top 235 00:11:02,064 --> 00:11:03,624 Speaker 1: Gun Maverick, I think that was her first kind of 236 00:11:03,624 --> 00:11:06,584 Speaker 1: big blockbuster role that blew her up. She came into 237 00:11:07,024 --> 00:11:09,384 Speaker 1: this movie, got an Oscar nomination, was killing on the 238 00:11:09,384 --> 00:11:11,584 Speaker 1: Red Car. But I think that's when people became really 239 00:11:11,624 --> 00:11:13,944 Speaker 1: invested in her. And not long after that she was 240 00:11:14,024 --> 00:11:16,664 Speaker 1: linked to Andrew Garfield. So there was a few pap 241 00:11:16,664 --> 00:11:19,464 Speaker 1: shots of them walking through the streets. There's really cute 242 00:11:19,464 --> 00:11:21,944 Speaker 1: photos of him waiting for her, like after like the 243 00:11:21,984 --> 00:11:24,664 Speaker 1: Oscar parties and the met Ball parties, but this is 244 00:11:24,704 --> 00:11:26,664 Speaker 1: the first time they've been at a very public event 245 00:11:26,704 --> 00:11:28,944 Speaker 1: together and just to talk about white people are losing 246 00:11:28,984 --> 00:11:32,024 Speaker 1: their minds over these photos. It's the photos of them 247 00:11:32,064 --> 00:11:35,144 Speaker 1: walking into Wimbledon and he's in the beautiful white suit 248 00:11:35,184 --> 00:11:37,704 Speaker 1: and he's looking so cute and they're holding hands. She's 249 00:11:37,824 --> 00:11:40,304 Speaker 1: very like a classy dresser, but it's like a dress 250 00:11:40,384 --> 00:11:42,784 Speaker 1: that's like a sea through white almost. Yeah, it's been 251 00:11:42,824 --> 00:11:43,904 Speaker 1: in a classy way. 252 00:11:44,064 --> 00:11:46,824 Speaker 3: Yes, again, both dressed by Roughie and I swear I'm 253 00:11:46,864 --> 00:11:47,824 Speaker 3: not sponsored by them. 254 00:11:47,704 --> 00:11:49,024 Speaker 1: But we would love to be. 255 00:11:49,304 --> 00:11:52,744 Speaker 3: It is beautiful, they look gorgeous. They're both in all white. 256 00:11:53,144 --> 00:11:57,944 Speaker 3: Andrew Garfield has this like little tied up sweater around 257 00:11:57,944 --> 00:12:01,584 Speaker 3: his neck. Yeah, and Monica's wearing it's like a popular 258 00:12:01,704 --> 00:12:04,864 Speaker 3: so it's like a really white cotton which getting on 259 00:12:04,904 --> 00:12:08,224 Speaker 3: this well, I mean I love a poplin dressed. It's 260 00:12:08,384 --> 00:12:12,744 Speaker 3: very Wimbledon. White is very Wimbledon. But yeah, it's a 261 00:12:12,784 --> 00:12:16,064 Speaker 3: bit sort of saucy, but saucy. 262 00:12:16,344 --> 00:12:19,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think, I mean, there's such almost nothing photos, 263 00:12:19,264 --> 00:12:20,744 Speaker 1: but I think because people have just been wanting to 264 00:12:20,744 --> 00:12:23,824 Speaker 1: see them together for so long. Also the handholding and 265 00:12:23,864 --> 00:12:26,904 Speaker 1: the smiling and there's like a brief little kiss tennis. 266 00:12:27,304 --> 00:12:28,824 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about the tennis that 267 00:12:28,984 --> 00:12:31,344 Speaker 1: brings out a bit of romance and celebrities, but this 268 00:12:31,464 --> 00:12:33,904 Speaker 1: is where we got the first videos and photos. Remember 269 00:12:34,024 --> 00:12:36,104 Speaker 1: like a few years ago of Kylie Jenner and Timothy 270 00:12:36,144 --> 00:12:38,824 Speaker 1: Schallamey who were in the stands at the tennis. I 271 00:12:38,824 --> 00:12:41,344 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you which event it was. Maybe it was Wimbledon, 272 00:12:41,384 --> 00:12:43,704 Speaker 1: because I don't follow the tennis circuit, And also I 273 00:12:43,704 --> 00:12:46,984 Speaker 1: guess because they can't move and the camera's so fully 274 00:12:47,064 --> 00:12:48,944 Speaker 1: on them, so it's not like they're ducking in and 275 00:12:48,944 --> 00:12:50,944 Speaker 1: out of events as how we would normally see them 276 00:12:50,944 --> 00:12:53,824 Speaker 1: through paparazzi photos. So we had Timothy and Kylie like 277 00:12:53,904 --> 00:12:56,984 Speaker 1: pashing away. We've had videos of Travis Kelcey and Taylor 278 00:12:57,024 --> 00:12:59,344 Speaker 1: Swift pashing away in the stands in a way that 279 00:12:59,344 --> 00:13:01,144 Speaker 1: they would never do, like when they're doing their pap 280 00:13:01,184 --> 00:13:01,944 Speaker 1: walks on the street. 281 00:13:02,184 --> 00:13:03,944 Speaker 3: I think as well, a big part of it is 282 00:13:03,944 --> 00:13:06,544 Speaker 3: because they're in a big stadium and all of the 283 00:13:06,904 --> 00:13:09,704 Speaker 3: perhaps photographers and stuff are probably in the media pit, 284 00:13:10,144 --> 00:13:13,384 Speaker 3: it's not as obvious that they're being photographed. So I'm 285 00:13:13,424 --> 00:13:16,224 Speaker 3: sure they're aware that they're going to be photographed because 286 00:13:16,584 --> 00:13:17,304 Speaker 3: their celebrities. 287 00:13:17,304 --> 00:13:18,864 Speaker 2: A lot of them are sitting in the Royal Box, 288 00:13:18,984 --> 00:13:19,544 Speaker 2: which is. 289 00:13:19,464 --> 00:13:22,584 Speaker 3: You know where all the celebs are, but it's kind 290 00:13:22,584 --> 00:13:24,904 Speaker 3: of a little bit less in your face, so they 291 00:13:24,984 --> 00:13:28,264 Speaker 3: probably aware of it. It's probably easy to forget. You 292 00:13:28,304 --> 00:13:29,544 Speaker 3: want to know which game they're watching? 293 00:13:29,744 --> 00:13:32,584 Speaker 1: Sure, just for fun. I'm not probably not going to 294 00:13:32,704 --> 00:13:33,944 Speaker 1: know these names, but sure. 295 00:13:33,784 --> 00:13:39,544 Speaker 3: Okay, so Britain's Sonay Cartel and Russia's Anastasia. I should 296 00:13:39,584 --> 00:13:41,584 Speaker 3: know this because I'm Serbian and I should be able 297 00:13:41,624 --> 00:13:44,024 Speaker 3: to pronounce this. Okay, Paveli and Chenkova. 298 00:13:44,584 --> 00:13:46,704 Speaker 1: I mean, that's definitely better than I would have done. 299 00:13:46,744 --> 00:13:48,704 Speaker 1: And I shuld say I know other women love tennis. 300 00:13:48,744 --> 00:13:53,664 Speaker 1: It's just a me situation. I also I hate that 301 00:13:53,744 --> 00:13:56,384 Speaker 1: sometimes I feed into stereotype of women not liking sport, 302 00:13:56,464 --> 00:13:57,824 Speaker 1: and I just want to be clear it's a me thing, 303 00:13:57,864 --> 00:14:00,504 Speaker 1: not like a women thing. But I feel also a 304 00:14:00,544 --> 00:14:03,584 Speaker 1: little bit of guilt over how much people are fangirling 305 00:14:03,704 --> 00:14:07,424 Speaker 1: over these Andrew and Monica photos, only because it's such 306 00:14:07,424 --> 00:14:10,064 Speaker 1: a stark difference to how they treated his last public 307 00:14:10,104 --> 00:14:13,624 Speaker 1: girl friend. We've had one photo of Monica and Andrew 308 00:14:13,704 --> 00:14:16,744 Speaker 1: walking in Twimbledon looking all loved up, and everyone's like, 309 00:14:16,864 --> 00:14:19,184 Speaker 1: they're so beautiful together. I love them. What a match 310 00:14:19,224 --> 00:14:21,904 Speaker 1: made in heaven? Where is his last girlfriend? Are you 311 00:14:21,904 --> 00:14:24,944 Speaker 1: cross this doctor Kate Tomas, who he was papped a 312 00:14:24,984 --> 00:14:27,264 Speaker 1: lot with. They were together for a while. It's hard 313 00:14:27,304 --> 00:14:29,464 Speaker 1: to pick the timeline because he never talks about his 314 00:14:29,544 --> 00:14:31,864 Speaker 1: relationships and she did a little bit Doctor Kate when 315 00:14:31,864 --> 00:14:34,304 Speaker 1: they were together, but they were photographed together for like 316 00:14:34,384 --> 00:14:38,184 Speaker 1: over a year. And she got so much hate this 317 00:14:38,224 --> 00:14:41,904 Speaker 1: woman because people thought she was too ugly to date 318 00:14:41,984 --> 00:14:44,744 Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield and she was so shehares a podcast and stuff. 319 00:14:44,784 --> 00:14:47,824 Speaker 1: She's like a spiritual healer and advisor and all these things, 320 00:14:48,064 --> 00:14:50,144 Speaker 1: and she's written a lot of different things and she 321 00:14:50,144 --> 00:14:51,904 Speaker 1: has a podcast. And she said that she was so 322 00:14:52,064 --> 00:14:57,104 Speaker 1: aware the fact that forums articles, TikTok videos from the 323 00:14:57,144 --> 00:14:59,904 Speaker 1: moment she went public with Andrew Garfield, everyone was ripping 324 00:14:59,904 --> 00:15:02,264 Speaker 1: this woman apart for being too ugly to be with him, 325 00:15:02,824 --> 00:15:07,944 Speaker 1: to the point where because she's a practicing which is 326 00:15:07,984 --> 00:15:10,824 Speaker 1: what she says, and that's her thing to anger her. 327 00:15:10,904 --> 00:15:13,904 Speaker 3: No, No, I have done a whole deep dive on I 328 00:15:14,064 --> 00:15:17,104 Speaker 3: actually listened to this podcast on Witches and it was 329 00:15:17,144 --> 00:15:19,384 Speaker 3: like a ten part series. And now you're speaking my 330 00:15:19,464 --> 00:15:22,584 Speaker 3: life interviewing all of these different witches and what it 331 00:15:22,624 --> 00:15:24,864 Speaker 3: was like fascinating her. 332 00:15:25,504 --> 00:15:27,384 Speaker 2: Identifying as a witch does not shock me. 333 00:15:27,584 --> 00:15:29,184 Speaker 1: No, no, and that's what and she says like she 334 00:15:29,864 --> 00:15:31,664 Speaker 1: it's more of like it's a linked her spirituality and 335 00:15:31,704 --> 00:15:34,784 Speaker 1: all these things. Anyway, then she was accused of casting 336 00:15:34,824 --> 00:15:37,544 Speaker 1: a love spell on Andrew Garfield and making him fall 337 00:15:37,584 --> 00:15:39,944 Speaker 1: in love with her, because people like, there's no way 338 00:15:40,304 --> 00:15:44,064 Speaker 1: this handsome, rich, successful actor is dating I should say, 339 00:15:44,104 --> 00:15:47,144 Speaker 1: a very nice looking woman, but they're like dating this normy, 340 00:15:47,224 --> 00:15:49,424 Speaker 1: ugly woman, to the point where she had to put 341 00:15:49,424 --> 00:15:52,864 Speaker 1: out a statement saying that she would never use her 342 00:15:52,904 --> 00:15:55,064 Speaker 1: powers in that way. It's important to note that she 343 00:15:55,104 --> 00:15:58,544 Speaker 1: didn't say she couldn't. She said she would never. His 344 00:15:58,704 --> 00:16:00,984 Speaker 1: last girlfriend was accused of being a witch and being 345 00:16:01,024 --> 00:16:02,624 Speaker 1: so ugly that she had to put out a formal 346 00:16:02,664 --> 00:16:05,104 Speaker 1: statement saying she had it news witchcraft and then they 347 00:16:05,184 --> 00:16:07,264 Speaker 1: broke up. And I don't know why they broke up, 348 00:16:07,264 --> 00:16:08,864 Speaker 1: Like ob we don't know these people, but I do 349 00:16:08,944 --> 00:16:13,464 Speaker 1: believe that maybe the public intense hatred against her might 350 00:16:13,504 --> 00:16:15,144 Speaker 1: have played a part. And I just think it's so 351 00:16:15,184 --> 00:16:17,144 Speaker 1: different now we've seen this photos of hum and Monica 352 00:16:17,264 --> 00:16:19,944 Speaker 1: and because she is a movie star that people think 353 00:16:20,104 --> 00:16:22,944 Speaker 1: is worthy of him, that everyone's falling over them. Like, 354 00:16:22,984 --> 00:16:25,104 Speaker 1: I do like them together, but it's a very stark difference. 355 00:16:25,184 --> 00:16:27,664 Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely, And I think it's we see that 356 00:16:27,784 --> 00:16:31,744 Speaker 3: a lot when celebrities date quote unquote normies. You know, 357 00:16:31,784 --> 00:16:34,224 Speaker 3: we see it sometimes where people are willing to bring 358 00:16:34,264 --> 00:16:37,744 Speaker 3: them in. But you know, anytime you see a celebrity dating, 359 00:16:38,024 --> 00:16:42,104 Speaker 3: you know, someone in production or someone who's not in 360 00:16:42,144 --> 00:16:45,064 Speaker 3: the industry as an a list style or even as 361 00:16:45,144 --> 00:16:49,104 Speaker 3: an up and comer or celebrity, they don't like it. 362 00:16:49,104 --> 00:16:55,784 Speaker 3: It's like audiences want to see two famous people together, yeah, 363 00:16:55,864 --> 00:16:58,184 Speaker 3: because then they can know both of their lives, whereas 364 00:16:58,224 --> 00:17:01,664 Speaker 3: when it's one quote unquote normally, you don't really know 365 00:17:01,784 --> 00:17:05,664 Speaker 3: what's going on in their life and you can't dissect them. 366 00:17:05,704 --> 00:17:07,824 Speaker 2: They don't feel as available to us. 367 00:17:08,544 --> 00:17:10,784 Speaker 1: And I also think it can be a visual and 368 00:17:10,784 --> 00:17:13,544 Speaker 1: it also I think maybe we're a little bit looser 369 00:17:13,584 --> 00:17:15,824 Speaker 1: on men, Like if Taylor Swift was like dating a 370 00:17:15,864 --> 00:17:18,024 Speaker 1: normy guy but that was super hot, and people could 371 00:17:18,024 --> 00:17:21,224 Speaker 1: concoct this fantasy about her dating like a handyman or 372 00:17:21,664 --> 00:17:23,984 Speaker 1: or something like that, or a paramatic or something. I 373 00:17:24,024 --> 00:17:26,504 Speaker 1: feel like they'd be like a swamp man I love, 374 00:17:26,664 --> 00:17:29,824 Speaker 1: or a swap man see again, everyone's invested in that 375 00:17:29,864 --> 00:17:32,864 Speaker 1: love story. Lena del Ravee Mistell recent episode as am 376 00:17:32,904 --> 00:17:35,744 Speaker 1: I but I think just it was something about this 377 00:17:35,824 --> 00:17:38,944 Speaker 1: woman daring to step out, not looking like a Hollywood star, 378 00:17:39,064 --> 00:17:41,344 Speaker 1: but just anger people to an intense level that I 379 00:17:41,384 --> 00:17:43,344 Speaker 1: haven't seen before. So as much as I'm loving this 380 00:17:43,464 --> 00:17:45,944 Speaker 1: Andrew and like a hard launch, I do think we 381 00:17:45,984 --> 00:17:47,464 Speaker 1: all just need to take a look at ourselves or 382 00:17:47,504 --> 00:17:48,624 Speaker 1: doctor Kate's gonna. 383 00:17:48,424 --> 00:17:51,384 Speaker 3: Just put a spell on you and don't be like 384 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:54,304 Speaker 3: I think this whole labeling her as a witch is 385 00:17:54,304 --> 00:17:56,704 Speaker 3: a bad thing is like, no, she's self identical problems 386 00:17:56,744 --> 00:17:58,864 Speaker 3: a witch Now, that's the thing. Like, listen to this 387 00:17:58,904 --> 00:18:01,544 Speaker 3: podcast so fascinating. If you ever want to listen to 388 00:18:01,584 --> 00:18:03,704 Speaker 3: it's called Witch. It's a great podcast. We'll link it 389 00:18:03,744 --> 00:18:05,624 Speaker 3: in the show notes if anyone else is interested. 390 00:18:05,784 --> 00:18:10,344 Speaker 1: But I love a witch me too, so at the moment, 391 00:18:10,424 --> 00:18:12,944 Speaker 1: Lena Dunham is on the press tour for her upcoming 392 00:18:12,944 --> 00:18:16,504 Speaker 1: Netflix series Too Much, which that show has become my 393 00:18:16,704 --> 00:18:19,504 Speaker 1: entire personality. This week we've been watching It's all we 394 00:18:19,544 --> 00:18:22,664 Speaker 1: talk about more to come. But and because she is 395 00:18:23,144 --> 00:18:26,424 Speaker 1: the co creator, writer, director, all the things, and she's 396 00:18:26,464 --> 00:18:28,504 Speaker 1: such a public face, she's really out there in the 397 00:18:28,504 --> 00:18:31,104 Speaker 1: weeds doing the press work for it. And one of 398 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:32,784 Speaker 1: the things that she's been asked about a lot is 399 00:18:32,824 --> 00:18:36,504 Speaker 1: her TV show Girls, which ran from twenty twelve to 400 00:18:36,504 --> 00:18:41,024 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen and really became a cultural moment, which we're 401 00:18:41,064 --> 00:18:43,824 Speaker 1: still talking about nearly a decade later. So in an 402 00:18:43,864 --> 00:18:48,264 Speaker 1: interview with The Independent, Lena was asked to comment on 403 00:18:48,704 --> 00:18:51,784 Speaker 1: the fact that Girls, it particularly in the last few years, 404 00:18:51,784 --> 00:18:55,424 Speaker 1: has received a huge amount of backlash for not being diverse. 405 00:18:55,544 --> 00:18:57,984 Speaker 1: If you haven't watched it, it's a show about four 406 00:18:57,984 --> 00:19:00,784 Speaker 1: white women living in New York and not even just 407 00:19:00,824 --> 00:19:03,224 Speaker 1: the fact that the four league characters are white women, 408 00:19:03,344 --> 00:19:06,464 Speaker 1: but more so the characters around them. People didn't think 409 00:19:06,464 --> 00:19:08,584 Speaker 1: it reflected the New York that they knew or the 410 00:19:08,624 --> 00:19:11,624 Speaker 1: society they knew. So Odlena was asked what she thought 411 00:19:11,624 --> 00:19:14,824 Speaker 1: about that, and she's talked about this before and there's always, 412 00:19:14,824 --> 00:19:16,984 Speaker 1: i feel like, in the background of these interviews when 413 00:19:17,024 --> 00:19:19,504 Speaker 1: she's asked this, this idea of like pushing her to 414 00:19:20,144 --> 00:19:22,504 Speaker 1: apologize or say she was in the wrong, and she 415 00:19:22,584 --> 00:19:25,344 Speaker 1: kind of walks this line where she doesn't quite do that. 416 00:19:25,464 --> 00:19:28,344 Speaker 1: But in this new interview the Independent, she did say 417 00:19:28,424 --> 00:19:30,544 Speaker 1: that in a way that there's things that she'd go 418 00:19:30,624 --> 00:19:33,184 Speaker 1: back and change, but gave an explanation to what she 419 00:19:33,264 --> 00:19:36,424 Speaker 1: was thinking. So she said, on the diversity question, I 420 00:19:36,424 --> 00:19:38,704 Speaker 1: think one of the profound issues around Girls was that 421 00:19:38,704 --> 00:19:41,144 Speaker 1: there was so little real estate for women in television 422 00:19:41,344 --> 00:19:43,464 Speaker 1: that when you had a show called Girls, it was 423 00:19:43,504 --> 00:19:46,304 Speaker 1: such a monolithic name and it sounds like it's describing 424 00:19:46,384 --> 00:19:49,224 Speaker 1: all girls in all the places, and so it's not 425 00:19:49,304 --> 00:19:52,544 Speaker 1: reflecting a multitude of experiences. I understand how that would 426 00:19:52,544 --> 00:19:55,464 Speaker 1: be really disappointing to people. And then she wanted to 427 00:19:55,504 --> 00:19:57,264 Speaker 1: say one of the biggest things that she's trying to 428 00:19:57,304 --> 00:20:00,144 Speaker 1: course correct with all her new projects, including Too Much, 429 00:20:00,224 --> 00:20:02,624 Speaker 1: is having diversity behind the camera as well as in 430 00:20:02,624 --> 00:20:05,224 Speaker 1: front of the camera, and said that it's not just 431 00:20:05,384 --> 00:20:07,744 Speaker 1: about the diversity on screen, it's about the people who 432 00:20:07,784 --> 00:20:10,184 Speaker 1: are working on the sets or on the writing t 433 00:20:10,704 --> 00:20:12,744 Speaker 1: As a producer, one of my goals is to bring 434 00:20:12,784 --> 00:20:15,264 Speaker 1: a lot of different voices into a position where they 435 00:20:15,304 --> 00:20:17,784 Speaker 1: can tell their story. So there's been a bit of 436 00:20:17,784 --> 00:20:20,784 Speaker 1: a mixed reaction to this. Some people who have read 437 00:20:20,824 --> 00:20:23,304 Speaker 1: that are up in arms again because they think that 438 00:20:23,304 --> 00:20:25,464 Speaker 1: she should come out and do a full apology. Some 439 00:20:25,504 --> 00:20:27,584 Speaker 1: people are saying that this conversation has to move on 440 00:20:27,664 --> 00:20:30,784 Speaker 1: and she's done nothing wrong. I have really complex thoughts 441 00:20:30,784 --> 00:20:32,624 Speaker 1: on their What are your thoughts? Did you have an 442 00:20:32,664 --> 00:20:35,144 Speaker 1: emotional reaction to this because you're a big Girls fan. 443 00:20:35,504 --> 00:20:40,104 Speaker 3: My reaction to this is that I appreciate when someone 444 00:20:40,104 --> 00:20:43,664 Speaker 3: can acknowledge something that has happened in the past. It 445 00:20:43,704 --> 00:20:47,024 Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean that she has to apologize for it. 446 00:20:47,544 --> 00:20:52,104 Speaker 3: I think that acknowledging people's feelings is important. Sometimes it 447 00:20:52,144 --> 00:20:55,184 Speaker 3: feels like when you do that, it's kind of like 448 00:20:55,184 --> 00:20:57,224 Speaker 3: a I'm sorry you feel that way. You know, that's 449 00:20:57,344 --> 00:21:00,184 Speaker 3: the worst kind of apology. But I think what she's 450 00:21:00,184 --> 00:21:03,624 Speaker 3: said here, she's actually very intelligent. Despite the fact that 451 00:21:03,824 --> 00:21:07,184 Speaker 3: girls may not have been racially diverse, I think in 452 00:21:07,304 --> 00:21:13,104 Speaker 3: terms of other diversity, there was that there. So we 453 00:21:13,224 --> 00:21:16,704 Speaker 3: can't be all the things all the time, all at once, 454 00:21:17,344 --> 00:21:20,064 Speaker 3: and I appreciate that's a bit rich coming from a 455 00:21:21,024 --> 00:21:24,304 Speaker 3: skinny white girl like I get that. I think that 456 00:21:25,104 --> 00:21:28,744 Speaker 3: it was quite revolutionary at the time when girls came 457 00:21:28,744 --> 00:21:33,744 Speaker 3: out because of you know, the way she approached sex relationships. 458 00:21:33,824 --> 00:21:36,144 Speaker 2: It was a very modern way of looking at it. 459 00:21:37,024 --> 00:21:38,664 Speaker 3: That's not to say that I don't think that there 460 00:21:38,704 --> 00:21:41,784 Speaker 3: should be people of color in shows like that. 461 00:21:42,024 --> 00:21:43,424 Speaker 2: There's absolutely not what I'm saying. 462 00:21:43,944 --> 00:21:47,944 Speaker 3: I just think that she had tackled one issue and 463 00:21:48,064 --> 00:21:52,024 Speaker 3: maybe now she's learnt from that and into much I 464 00:21:52,024 --> 00:21:55,464 Speaker 3: can tell you right now it is significantly more racially diverse. 465 00:21:55,664 --> 00:21:57,544 Speaker 2: Yes, so we can grow. 466 00:21:57,344 --> 00:22:01,584 Speaker 3: And learn from our past experiences without necessarily having to 467 00:22:01,624 --> 00:22:02,744 Speaker 3: apologize for them. 468 00:22:03,104 --> 00:22:06,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I always find this conversation interesting. I 469 00:22:06,104 --> 00:22:08,944 Speaker 1: got to say, I find it Elena Dunham's Girls is 470 00:22:08,984 --> 00:22:10,664 Speaker 1: a bit more moder than some of the other shows 471 00:22:10,664 --> 00:22:12,264 Speaker 1: that usually get raped over the calls for this, and 472 00:22:12,304 --> 00:22:14,584 Speaker 1: I think because she's still at the forefront. There's only 473 00:22:14,624 --> 00:22:17,344 Speaker 1: thirty nine, So what's interesting is that she's one of 474 00:22:17,384 --> 00:22:20,184 Speaker 1: the filmmakers who made a show that's so in the past, 475 00:22:20,464 --> 00:22:22,784 Speaker 1: that's been critiqued for its diversity. But she's also one 476 00:22:22,784 --> 00:22:24,664 Speaker 1: of those people who like that was the beginning of 477 00:22:24,704 --> 00:22:27,144 Speaker 1: her career, so she still has much more work to come, 478 00:22:27,184 --> 00:22:29,064 Speaker 1: which is why I think it's more interesting to talk 479 00:22:29,104 --> 00:22:32,424 Speaker 1: to her about this than to talk to the producers 480 00:22:32,424 --> 00:22:34,624 Speaker 1: of Friends or something like that. They came out decades 481 00:22:34,664 --> 00:22:37,904 Speaker 1: and decades ago, and the conversation has moved on so 482 00:22:38,104 --> 00:22:40,784 Speaker 1: much it doesn't feel helpful. For the moment, I thought 483 00:22:40,784 --> 00:22:42,624 Speaker 1: it was interesting what she was saying, the fact that 484 00:22:42,664 --> 00:22:45,264 Speaker 1: because it was called Girls, it was meant to speak 485 00:22:45,304 --> 00:22:48,824 Speaker 1: to all women, which is kind of interesting because I 486 00:22:49,024 --> 00:22:51,704 Speaker 1: don't see her as someone who was trying to make 487 00:22:51,864 --> 00:22:54,264 Speaker 1: something that would be there for all women, or that 488 00:22:54,264 --> 00:22:55,944 Speaker 1: was meant to tell Auburn stories. And I think she's 489 00:22:55,984 --> 00:22:58,464 Speaker 1: been really honest about the fact that it was telling 490 00:22:58,464 --> 00:23:01,184 Speaker 1: the story of like a microcosm of women who live 491 00:23:01,224 --> 00:23:03,024 Speaker 1: in New York. And also, again I'm not saying it 492 00:23:03,024 --> 00:23:06,584 Speaker 1: shouldn't have had diverse characters. Obviously, it's and I almost 493 00:23:06,664 --> 00:23:09,504 Speaker 1: hold it to account more than like a Friends or 494 00:23:09,544 --> 00:23:11,544 Speaker 1: a Buffy or a Gilmore Girls or any of those 495 00:23:11,584 --> 00:23:14,504 Speaker 1: shows who were came before it who get really pulled 496 00:23:14,544 --> 00:23:18,064 Speaker 1: up for something like this. But it was essentially almost 497 00:23:18,144 --> 00:23:21,224 Speaker 1: like a parody or like a exploration of threads of 498 00:23:21,224 --> 00:23:23,024 Speaker 1: her own life growing up in New York and her 499 00:23:23,064 --> 00:23:27,744 Speaker 1: own friends, to the point where Jamima Kirk, who plays Jessa, 500 00:23:27,784 --> 00:23:30,904 Speaker 1: was her childhood friend all through high school. A lot 501 00:23:30,904 --> 00:23:34,104 Speaker 1: of their experiences in the show. She wasn't even an actress, 502 00:23:34,104 --> 00:23:36,544 Speaker 1: she didn't have to audition. She just like said to her, 503 00:23:36,584 --> 00:23:39,704 Speaker 1: I've written this part, that's you, that's Jessa, and so 504 00:23:39,744 --> 00:23:42,864 Speaker 1: you're going to play that character. Like that's how insula 505 00:23:42,944 --> 00:23:44,984 Speaker 1: it was. And I think that kind of gets lost 506 00:23:45,024 --> 00:23:46,104 Speaker 1: in the conversation a little bit. 507 00:23:46,104 --> 00:23:48,224 Speaker 3: I do agree with you, and I think you know, 508 00:23:48,824 --> 00:23:52,264 Speaker 3: she has clearly learnt from this because she has changed 509 00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:52,584 Speaker 3: her way. 510 00:23:52,744 --> 00:23:56,064 Speaker 2: So the apology quote unquote apology. 511 00:23:55,624 --> 00:23:57,944 Speaker 3: Is not not that it's not necessary, because I can 512 00:23:58,024 --> 00:24:03,304 Speaker 3: understand how, and I feel uncomfortable being too opinionated about 513 00:24:03,304 --> 00:24:07,024 Speaker 3: it because I, again am a white woman, and I 514 00:24:07,064 --> 00:24:09,024 Speaker 3: don't have the right to tell people that they can't 515 00:24:09,024 --> 00:24:13,664 Speaker 3: be offended by something that's not my place. However, I 516 00:24:13,704 --> 00:24:17,384 Speaker 3: do think that you know, she's seen that experience of 517 00:24:17,424 --> 00:24:20,464 Speaker 3: creating goals, which is her first big sort of project 518 00:24:20,464 --> 00:24:23,384 Speaker 3: that she's done. She's now, this is ten years later. 519 00:24:23,784 --> 00:24:25,984 Speaker 3: She's a different woman, she's a grown up woman. Now 520 00:24:26,104 --> 00:24:32,944 Speaker 3: she's married, and using those experiences and applying it to 521 00:24:33,064 --> 00:24:37,144 Speaker 3: this new project. I think that is a more effective 522 00:24:38,264 --> 00:24:44,144 Speaker 3: apology than just saying sorry without any follow up to it. 523 00:24:44,184 --> 00:24:46,144 Speaker 1: If you know what I'm saying, yeah, there's a lot 524 00:24:46,144 --> 00:24:49,024 Speaker 1: of people in Hollywood who have either done things behind 525 00:24:49,024 --> 00:24:51,224 Speaker 1: the camera or have made films and TV shows, And 526 00:24:51,264 --> 00:24:53,264 Speaker 1: I'm offended by it that I would want an apology 527 00:24:53,304 --> 00:24:55,664 Speaker 1: from over Lena Dunham, Like, that's kind of not what 528 00:24:55,704 --> 00:24:58,184 Speaker 1: I'm looking for from her. But I also think it's 529 00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:01,544 Speaker 1: kind of interesting how this conversation, like people are so 530 00:25:01,624 --> 00:25:03,984 Speaker 1: invested in looking back on these huge shows from decades 531 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:08,104 Speaker 1: and decades ago and critiquing them for like very valid 532 00:25:08,144 --> 00:25:10,144 Speaker 1: reasons from like the language they use, the people they 533 00:25:10,664 --> 00:25:14,104 Speaker 1: the storylines they did, and this idea of not having diversity. 534 00:25:14,424 --> 00:25:17,544 Speaker 1: But then when a show comes back and is very 535 00:25:17,584 --> 00:25:21,464 Speaker 1: popular and seeks to course correct, people are also quite 536 00:25:21,544 --> 00:25:23,544 Speaker 1: angry about that, and there's a lot of kind of 537 00:25:23,584 --> 00:25:25,904 Speaker 1: anger over, well, why don't you make new content or 538 00:25:25,944 --> 00:25:27,624 Speaker 1: do you think this helps or all that sort of thing, 539 00:25:27,944 --> 00:25:30,184 Speaker 1: and the kind of I guess biggest example of that 540 00:25:30,384 --> 00:25:32,744 Speaker 1: is and just like that, yeah, which is the continuation 541 00:25:32,784 --> 00:25:34,624 Speaker 1: of Sex and the City. And Sex and the City 542 00:25:34,664 --> 00:25:36,904 Speaker 1: is a show that, before it came back in this 543 00:25:36,944 --> 00:25:39,704 Speaker 1: new TV form, was really called out for the lack 544 00:25:39,744 --> 00:25:42,184 Speaker 1: of diversity. And again, I think because it's in this 545 00:25:42,304 --> 00:25:45,464 Speaker 1: New York and that is known to have such a 546 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:48,464 Speaker 1: diverse grouping of people who are all living together in 547 00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:50,504 Speaker 1: this tiny space. And so when you see shows that 548 00:25:50,544 --> 00:25:54,304 Speaker 1: are so whitewashed, it hits. I mean, obviously everywhere has 549 00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:57,024 Speaker 1: a diverse group of people, but I think especially a 550 00:25:57,064 --> 00:25:59,984 Speaker 1: show like that that is meant to showcase a place 551 00:25:59,984 --> 00:26:02,264 Speaker 1: in the world that's known for having such a collective 552 00:26:02,264 --> 00:26:03,584 Speaker 1: group of people hits a bit harder. 553 00:26:03,704 --> 00:26:05,904 Speaker 3: Well, it's known as being like a melting pod, so 554 00:26:06,064 --> 00:26:09,184 Speaker 3: that that is the character of New York, which is 555 00:26:09,624 --> 00:26:11,784 Speaker 3: so often spoken as being the fifth character. 556 00:26:11,864 --> 00:26:14,144 Speaker 2: And in Sex and the City, that is such a 557 00:26:14,144 --> 00:26:15,904 Speaker 2: big part of that show. 558 00:26:15,624 --> 00:26:18,504 Speaker 3: And I think it's more glaringly obvious in a show 559 00:26:18,624 --> 00:26:22,384 Speaker 3: like Sex and the City. It's almost like they overcorrected 560 00:26:22,704 --> 00:26:25,424 Speaker 3: and just like that because people were like, it's like you're. 561 00:26:25,224 --> 00:26:26,784 Speaker 2: Trying too hard. Now. 562 00:26:27,264 --> 00:26:29,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the interesting thing, isn't it is that when 563 00:26:29,104 --> 00:26:30,944 Speaker 1: it came out, people like, well, now it's too much. 564 00:26:31,024 --> 00:26:34,024 Speaker 1: You've course corrected too hard. But I almost think if 565 00:26:34,024 --> 00:26:36,944 Speaker 1: you're bringing a show back because one, the audience is 566 00:26:36,984 --> 00:26:40,024 Speaker 1: still there, people love these characters, but also because you 567 00:26:40,064 --> 00:26:43,344 Speaker 1: see a chance to make it better than it was 568 00:26:43,544 --> 00:26:47,264 Speaker 1: and course correct, I mist think you should go really hard. 569 00:26:47,704 --> 00:26:50,944 Speaker 1: And maybe at the beginning it felt very jarring because 570 00:26:51,104 --> 00:26:52,944 Speaker 1: obviously at the beginning of And just like that, it's 571 00:26:52,984 --> 00:26:55,704 Speaker 1: our three main characters who are all white women, and 572 00:26:55,744 --> 00:26:57,864 Speaker 1: they all seem to get like a plus one who 573 00:26:57,984 --> 00:27:00,944 Speaker 1: was a woman of color, and that was very jarring 574 00:27:01,024 --> 00:27:03,344 Speaker 1: at first with the introduction I think of Nia Wallace, 575 00:27:03,344 --> 00:27:06,504 Speaker 1: Seema Patel, and Lisa Todd Wexley. But I do think 576 00:27:06,544 --> 00:27:08,424 Speaker 1: and I do have critiques on and just like that, 577 00:27:08,464 --> 00:27:10,264 Speaker 1: which when we do our brially honest review, I'll get 578 00:27:10,264 --> 00:27:12,944 Speaker 1: it into. But I do think that they have done 579 00:27:12,984 --> 00:27:16,784 Speaker 1: a really good job of giving particularly the characters of 580 00:27:16,824 --> 00:27:20,464 Speaker 1: Lisa Todd Wexley and Siba Patel, giving them these rich, 581 00:27:21,104 --> 00:27:25,144 Speaker 1: big storylines, giving them all of their own side characters. 582 00:27:25,384 --> 00:27:28,344 Speaker 1: They're not that kind of archaic best friend of color 583 00:27:28,344 --> 00:27:31,544 Speaker 1: who pops in and like pops out and yeah, very 584 00:27:31,584 --> 00:27:34,464 Speaker 1: tokenistick who doesn't exist outside of the white characters, which 585 00:27:34,464 --> 00:27:36,904 Speaker 1: was what we used to see when diverse characters started 586 00:27:36,904 --> 00:27:40,224 Speaker 1: getting peppered through TV shows, was that it's like, oh, 587 00:27:40,224 --> 00:27:42,224 Speaker 1: but they were in that scene, or like, oh but 588 00:27:42,264 --> 00:27:44,504 Speaker 1: there's like one girl in the group, or it's the 589 00:27:44,544 --> 00:27:46,864 Speaker 1: best friend or neighbor who like pops in and then 590 00:27:46,944 --> 00:27:49,344 Speaker 1: like doesn't exist when she's not in the world of 591 00:27:49,384 --> 00:27:51,944 Speaker 1: the main character. So I think and then just like that, 592 00:27:52,344 --> 00:27:55,384 Speaker 1: whether you like these characters or not, Lisa and Seema 593 00:27:55,704 --> 00:27:58,264 Speaker 1: have become main characters. To me, they certainly get as 594 00:27:58,304 --> 00:28:01,224 Speaker 1: much airtime, and some of them have more supporting side 595 00:28:01,344 --> 00:28:03,344 Speaker 1: characters than some of the main characters at the moment, 596 00:28:03,504 --> 00:28:06,464 Speaker 1: So I feel like the critique there maybe isn't as warranted. 597 00:28:06,624 --> 00:28:09,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what you said that's the most important 598 00:28:09,144 --> 00:28:12,984 Speaker 3: is having a rich character, rich backstory. And I think 599 00:28:13,104 --> 00:28:16,304 Speaker 3: the problem with a lot of shows when they try 600 00:28:16,344 --> 00:28:19,464 Speaker 3: and do diversity, like the really just like Chuck it in, 601 00:28:20,144 --> 00:28:24,464 Speaker 3: they become very two dimensional characters and there isn't a 602 00:28:24,464 --> 00:28:25,944 Speaker 3: lot of depth to it. And I think that's a 603 00:28:25,944 --> 00:28:28,224 Speaker 3: lot of the issue that people had with, you know, 604 00:28:28,344 --> 00:28:30,904 Speaker 3: shows like Friends and even with Sex and the Cities 605 00:28:30,944 --> 00:28:33,184 Speaker 3: that when they did have black characters. You remember when 606 00:28:33,184 --> 00:28:37,824 Speaker 3: Miranda had that one black boyfriend and it was just 607 00:28:37,864 --> 00:28:41,544 Speaker 3: this very like two d I mean, he was a 608 00:28:41,584 --> 00:28:44,304 Speaker 3: gorgeous man, but it was just a very like there 609 00:28:44,384 --> 00:28:48,704 Speaker 3: was no development of him there, and that was a 610 00:28:48,824 --> 00:28:51,544 Speaker 3: huge criticism I want to just kind of go back 611 00:28:51,584 --> 00:28:54,064 Speaker 3: really quickly to another thing that Dunham said that I 612 00:28:54,224 --> 00:28:58,304 Speaker 3: really found fascinating. The biggest lesson that I learned is 613 00:28:58,344 --> 00:29:00,184 Speaker 3: that once your work is in the world, people are 614 00:29:00,224 --> 00:29:03,864 Speaker 3: going to have the conversation they're going to have. So 615 00:29:04,064 --> 00:29:06,944 Speaker 3: it's like she's releasing that just like she knows that 616 00:29:06,984 --> 00:29:08,664 Speaker 3: people are going to talk about it. It's almost like 617 00:29:08,664 --> 00:29:12,184 Speaker 3: she's fine with that saying before. When people come back 618 00:29:12,224 --> 00:29:15,184 Speaker 3: to girls who've never seen it and they're watching it 619 00:29:15,264 --> 00:29:19,744 Speaker 3: now and they go back to it, maybe they're going, oh, 620 00:29:20,024 --> 00:29:22,264 Speaker 3: what's going on here because we're so much more aware 621 00:29:22,304 --> 00:29:23,624 Speaker 3: of it now, which. 622 00:29:23,424 --> 00:29:25,344 Speaker 1: Is a good thing. It's good. I actually think it's 623 00:29:25,344 --> 00:29:27,544 Speaker 1: good when people go back and watch older TV shows 624 00:29:27,584 --> 00:29:29,784 Speaker 1: and movies and they find it jarring. It's like, you 625 00:29:29,824 --> 00:29:32,104 Speaker 1: should find this jarring because it's a like at this 626 00:29:32,184 --> 00:29:35,264 Speaker 1: moment in time, like Friends, Sex and the City, the 627 00:29:35,264 --> 00:29:37,384 Speaker 1: original Sex and the City, all those kind of TV shows, 628 00:29:37,384 --> 00:29:39,864 Speaker 1: they are period pieces. It just doesn't seem like that 629 00:29:39,904 --> 00:29:42,424 Speaker 1: for us, because I was like, wait, aren't I still 630 00:29:42,464 --> 00:29:44,344 Speaker 1: like fifteen watching this at home? But these shows have 631 00:29:44,384 --> 00:29:46,624 Speaker 1: been out for like twenty thirty years, and so like 632 00:29:46,704 --> 00:29:49,264 Speaker 1: they should feel very jarring. The same way watching a 633 00:29:49,344 --> 00:29:53,304 Speaker 1: movie from like fifty sixty years ago is very jarring, 634 00:29:53,344 --> 00:29:55,264 Speaker 1: but you watch it and you just accept it because 635 00:29:55,264 --> 00:29:57,744 Speaker 1: it's of its time period. I just think that maybe 636 00:29:57,784 --> 00:30:00,784 Speaker 1: this conversation, like, well, very worthy. We need to stop 637 00:30:00,784 --> 00:30:02,664 Speaker 1: looking back at shows from twenty years ago and look 638 00:30:02,664 --> 00:30:04,784 Speaker 1: at the shows that are coming out now, because there's 639 00:30:04,784 --> 00:30:07,464 Speaker 1: a lot of issues happening there with diversity and characters 640 00:30:07,464 --> 00:30:09,424 Speaker 1: and things that are happening in real time, but we 641 00:30:09,584 --> 00:30:13,264 Speaker 1: only seem to to have them mostly about women shows. 642 00:30:13,304 --> 00:30:14,664 Speaker 1: It has to say, because look at the shows that 643 00:30:14,704 --> 00:30:16,864 Speaker 1: this is centered around. It's like, it's the Girls, It's 644 00:30:16,864 --> 00:30:18,824 Speaker 1: the Sex and the City, it's all those kind of 645 00:30:18,824 --> 00:30:20,784 Speaker 1: shows that are very female layer that we have these 646 00:30:20,784 --> 00:30:23,064 Speaker 1: conversations about. I feel like we don't have them as 647 00:30:23,144 --> 00:30:26,464 Speaker 1: much about male dominated shows, maybe because they're seen as 648 00:30:26,504 --> 00:30:29,384 Speaker 1: more they're not meant to represent every man the way 649 00:30:29,424 --> 00:30:32,224 Speaker 1: something like Girls is meant to represent every woman. It's 650 00:30:32,224 --> 00:30:35,024 Speaker 1: also more like tent poles that get critiqued. I remember 651 00:30:35,024 --> 00:30:37,704 Speaker 1: a few years ago when Charmed was remade and that 652 00:30:37,784 --> 00:30:39,824 Speaker 1: ran for a few different seasons, and one of the 653 00:30:39,864 --> 00:30:42,144 Speaker 1: critiques of that show again at the same time as 654 00:30:42,184 --> 00:30:43,944 Speaker 1: like Sex and the City and girls and that sort 655 00:30:43,984 --> 00:30:46,424 Speaker 1: of stuff is like a crossover period there was that 656 00:30:46,544 --> 00:30:49,544 Speaker 1: was very much all white women, and then they brought 657 00:30:49,584 --> 00:30:51,824 Speaker 1: a new version of Charmed out and that was a 658 00:30:51,864 --> 00:30:54,304 Speaker 1: full cast of women of color, and people were really 659 00:30:54,384 --> 00:30:56,704 Speaker 1: upset about it for a few different reasons. 660 00:30:56,784 --> 00:30:59,304 Speaker 3: Because back when people brought up in arms about a 661 00:30:59,424 --> 00:31:04,784 Speaker 3: Halle Bailey being aerial, yeah, because they're like, the original 662 00:31:05,064 --> 00:31:08,104 Speaker 3: the cartoon is white and has red hair, and I'm like, 663 00:31:08,224 --> 00:31:11,184 Speaker 3: it's a cartoon and a Mermaid's a fictional hm creature. 664 00:31:11,504 --> 00:31:14,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, people get more upset about that. It's like everyone 665 00:31:14,144 --> 00:31:17,024 Speaker 1: calls for diversity, but when it touches a show that 666 00:31:17,064 --> 00:31:19,944 Speaker 1: they grew up with or a property that they like 667 00:31:20,184 --> 00:31:22,464 Speaker 1: remember from their childhood, it's all of a sudden that 668 00:31:22,504 --> 00:31:25,424 Speaker 1: they forget this soap box they were standing on. They're like, well, no, no, 669 00:31:25,464 --> 00:31:28,504 Speaker 1: you can't remake Charmed, or you can't remake The Little Mermaid, 670 00:31:28,584 --> 00:31:31,024 Speaker 1: or you can't remake this. And it's like, yes, I 671 00:31:31,104 --> 00:31:33,984 Speaker 1: understand that it would be. In an ideal world, you 672 00:31:34,024 --> 00:31:37,464 Speaker 1: would make all these fresh new TV shows and have 673 00:31:37,624 --> 00:31:40,184 Speaker 1: people be able to create their own stories and legacies, 674 00:31:40,584 --> 00:31:42,864 Speaker 1: and we would do that with a diverse cast. But 675 00:31:43,104 --> 00:31:45,224 Speaker 1: the reality is, as we keep saying with all these 676 00:31:45,224 --> 00:31:48,424 Speaker 1: actresses attaching themselves to box offices and franchise and all 677 00:31:48,424 --> 00:31:50,984 Speaker 1: these sort of things, is that it's a lot easier 678 00:31:51,104 --> 00:31:54,064 Speaker 1: to get a reboat off the ground, whether it's a 679 00:31:54,064 --> 00:31:55,864 Speaker 1: TV show or a movie. It's a lot easier to 680 00:31:55,904 --> 00:31:59,624 Speaker 1: take a property and remake it with a different cast. 681 00:31:59,984 --> 00:32:03,584 Speaker 1: Like the cast of the New Charmed was great. Would 682 00:32:03,624 --> 00:32:05,984 Speaker 1: that show have had as much attention and run it 683 00:32:05,984 --> 00:32:07,464 Speaker 1: as long as it did if it didn't have like 684 00:32:07,504 --> 00:32:10,704 Speaker 1: the charm name and people tuning in? Potentially not because 685 00:32:10,704 --> 00:32:13,584 Speaker 1: it's really well, actually, probably not at all, because they 686 00:32:13,624 --> 00:32:16,224 Speaker 1: weren't actresses who had a big career behind them, because 687 00:32:16,264 --> 00:32:18,304 Speaker 1: no one had given them their first movie roles all 688 00:32:18,384 --> 00:32:20,424 Speaker 1: TV role so they needed to come on to an 689 00:32:20,424 --> 00:32:23,104 Speaker 1: existing property to boost that up. And that's just how 690 00:32:23,104 --> 00:32:23,864 Speaker 1: the industry works. 691 00:32:23,944 --> 00:32:26,384 Speaker 3: And we know, you know, Hollywood loves a reboot, and 692 00:32:26,464 --> 00:32:29,464 Speaker 3: you know we've spoken about that on the spill before. 693 00:32:29,584 --> 00:32:32,424 Speaker 3: But it's interesting to me that people are so critical 694 00:32:32,504 --> 00:32:37,504 Speaker 3: of something back then, particularly when the person is creating 695 00:32:37,584 --> 00:32:40,584 Speaker 3: new content that has rectified that issue. 696 00:32:40,744 --> 00:32:42,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean? 697 00:32:42,624 --> 00:32:45,504 Speaker 3: I think, like, what is the most important thing now 698 00:32:45,624 --> 00:32:48,544 Speaker 3: is what is coming out now. We should be critical 699 00:32:48,584 --> 00:32:50,704 Speaker 3: of the things in the past, Yes, we should be 700 00:32:50,824 --> 00:32:54,784 Speaker 3: jarred by it. It should make us feel uncomfortable. We 701 00:32:54,824 --> 00:32:58,184 Speaker 3: can't change that now. What we can change is what 702 00:32:58,304 --> 00:33:01,304 Speaker 3: is happening now, what is coming out now? 703 00:33:01,784 --> 00:33:03,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also think just on that, Like, I 704 00:33:03,904 --> 00:33:06,304 Speaker 1: know this would be a very unpopular opinion, but I 705 00:33:06,384 --> 00:33:08,184 Speaker 1: just feel like maybe we just need to lean even 706 00:33:08,304 --> 00:33:11,864 Speaker 1: further into TV reboot culture. This is where we are. Like, 707 00:33:12,024 --> 00:33:14,664 Speaker 1: I love that Lena Dunham's creating different things, Like She's 708 00:33:14,664 --> 00:33:16,384 Speaker 1: created a lot of TV shows over the years. This 709 00:33:16,464 --> 00:33:18,944 Speaker 1: is the first one that's circling back around to girls 710 00:33:18,944 --> 00:33:20,464 Speaker 1: and being a bit more about her life, which is 711 00:33:20,464 --> 00:33:23,024 Speaker 1: why it's getting so much attention. As much as I 712 00:33:23,064 --> 00:33:25,104 Speaker 1: have conflicting feelings, I love that and just like that 713 00:33:25,224 --> 00:33:27,544 Speaker 1: is on our TV screens. But I actually would not 714 00:33:27,624 --> 00:33:31,304 Speaker 1: be opposed to both girls and sex and the city. 715 00:33:31,664 --> 00:33:33,064 Speaker 1: I know this is my meeth or I think I'm 716 00:33:33,064 --> 00:33:35,264 Speaker 1: getting controversial. That is the look caseen, you just look 717 00:33:35,264 --> 00:33:37,104 Speaker 1: as she wants to kill me. This is the look 718 00:33:37,104 --> 00:33:40,624 Speaker 1: I'm getting from everyone, but hear me out. I think 719 00:33:40,664 --> 00:33:42,904 Speaker 1: that at the state we're are now with the way 720 00:33:42,984 --> 00:33:45,224 Speaker 1: TV is going, how hard it is to get audiences, 721 00:33:45,264 --> 00:33:47,384 Speaker 1: and the lack of diversity, and also the lack of 722 00:33:47,384 --> 00:33:50,904 Speaker 1: females storytelling on TV, that it's time to reboot Sex 723 00:33:50,944 --> 00:33:53,104 Speaker 1: and the City with a whole new cast, have it 724 00:33:53,224 --> 00:33:56,464 Speaker 1: exist alongside and just like that, and have it with 725 00:33:56,504 --> 00:33:58,504 Speaker 1: a group of like younger diverse women, and do the 726 00:33:58,544 --> 00:34:00,784 Speaker 1: same thing with Girls. I would watch the shit out 727 00:34:00,784 --> 00:34:02,784 Speaker 1: of both of those. I know no one wants it, 728 00:34:02,824 --> 00:34:05,064 Speaker 1: but it's what we need. It's what we need. 729 00:34:05,144 --> 00:34:07,664 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Laura, I know no one agrees with me. 730 00:34:08,544 --> 00:34:12,904 Speaker 3: I cannot disagree with you. More like, leave it there, 731 00:34:13,064 --> 00:34:14,984 Speaker 3: Just leave it. We don't need to reboot everything. 732 00:34:15,144 --> 00:34:15,664 Speaker 1: No need. 733 00:34:16,744 --> 00:34:18,784 Speaker 2: Like if someone reboots Friends, I swear to God I'm 734 00:34:18,784 --> 00:34:19,384 Speaker 2: going to jump off. 735 00:34:19,544 --> 00:34:21,424 Speaker 1: But we don't need another Friends. There'st been enough other 736 00:34:21,464 --> 00:34:23,704 Speaker 1: things that have come in that. Yes, might not be 737 00:34:23,784 --> 00:34:26,904 Speaker 1: as iconic as Friends in a way, but there's plenty 738 00:34:26,984 --> 00:34:29,304 Speaker 1: of other shows and movies that have come in and 739 00:34:29,344 --> 00:34:32,624 Speaker 1: taken up that side of storytelling. That's fine. Girls and 740 00:34:32,664 --> 00:34:34,664 Speaker 1: Sex and the City, and they are two very different 741 00:34:34,664 --> 00:34:36,864 Speaker 1: shows too. I also don't love when people collect them 742 00:34:36,864 --> 00:34:39,824 Speaker 1: as I'm just doing then because they existed for very 743 00:34:39,824 --> 00:34:42,864 Speaker 1: different reasons. They had very different characters. The fact that 744 00:34:42,864 --> 00:34:44,504 Speaker 1: it's just for women in New York is the only 745 00:34:44,504 --> 00:34:47,104 Speaker 1: thing that links them together. But I don't think any 746 00:34:47,144 --> 00:34:50,224 Speaker 1: other TV show has really swooped in to pick up 747 00:34:50,304 --> 00:34:53,984 Speaker 1: the storylines they were telling, and they feel really universal still, 748 00:34:54,024 --> 00:34:55,904 Speaker 1: Like as much as Sex and the City and Girls 749 00:34:55,904 --> 00:34:59,184 Speaker 1: are jarring because of some of the language and because 750 00:34:59,184 --> 00:35:01,264 Speaker 1: of the diversity, a lot of the storylines and what 751 00:35:01,304 --> 00:35:04,024 Speaker 1: the characters go through feel like they could be today. 752 00:35:04,104 --> 00:35:06,064 Speaker 1: I sometimes watch season six of Sex and the City 753 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:08,904 Speaker 1: and it feels like the conversations I'm having with my 754 00:35:08,944 --> 00:35:10,864 Speaker 1: friends now and the things I'm feeling, No, and no 755 00:35:10,984 --> 00:35:14,184 Speaker 1: other TV show has captured that, Like since a woman's 756 00:35:14,264 --> 00:35:16,544 Speaker 1: right to shoes, No other TV show has captured that 757 00:35:16,584 --> 00:35:18,784 Speaker 1: moment in time. And I just think, well, we're in 758 00:35:18,824 --> 00:35:21,664 Speaker 1: this like flailing moment of women on TV. To a extent, 759 00:35:22,104 --> 00:35:24,984 Speaker 1: Bring them back, reboot them, just them everything else. I 760 00:35:25,024 --> 00:35:27,424 Speaker 1: think we leave, But I'm like rebroot Sex and the 761 00:35:27,464 --> 00:35:30,624 Speaker 1: City at least with a new, younger cast. 762 00:35:30,864 --> 00:35:32,904 Speaker 2: No, that's all I'm saying, Laura. 763 00:35:33,024 --> 00:35:35,544 Speaker 1: I yes, Michael Patrick. Actually don't let Michael Patrick can 764 00:35:35,784 --> 00:35:37,904 Speaker 1: touch it. He's doing his thing with him just like that, 765 00:35:37,984 --> 00:35:40,624 Speaker 1: and I have with him. I mean, he's off making 766 00:35:40,624 --> 00:35:42,824 Speaker 1: Emily in Paris, and that's a whole other story of 767 00:35:42,864 --> 00:35:45,624 Speaker 1: what we need. Bring in some fresh bring in keep 768 00:35:45,704 --> 00:35:47,784 Speaker 1: like a Samantha Irby who's like the original writer of 769 00:35:47,784 --> 00:35:49,264 Speaker 1: Sex and the City, who's on just like that and 770 00:35:49,264 --> 00:35:51,304 Speaker 1: the only one who like seems to know what she's doing. 771 00:35:51,544 --> 00:35:53,424 Speaker 1: Bring in a whole bunch of fresh writers and a 772 00:35:53,464 --> 00:35:55,984 Speaker 1: fresh cast, and just take the idea in the name 773 00:35:56,344 --> 00:35:59,984 Speaker 1: and run with it. That's my request. Okay, Okay, we 774 00:36:00,104 --> 00:36:00,544 Speaker 1: just agree. 775 00:36:00,544 --> 00:36:02,864 Speaker 2: I understand where you're coming from. 776 00:36:03,344 --> 00:36:08,784 Speaker 1: You're wrong, I don't think so, but anyway, agree to disagree. 777 00:36:08,864 --> 00:36:10,744 Speaker 1: This is where I'm at with It's not only like 778 00:36:10,824 --> 00:36:13,024 Speaker 1: my passion outside of work, but it is my literally 779 00:36:13,104 --> 00:36:15,224 Speaker 1: my job, and I just can't keep running in these circles. 780 00:36:15,264 --> 00:36:17,144 Speaker 1: I need like a I need a circuit breaker with 781 00:36:17,224 --> 00:36:19,904 Speaker 1: TV and women on TV, like get us back on track. 782 00:36:20,344 --> 00:36:23,944 Speaker 3: Okay, and this is my pitch, all right, someone do it? Okay, Okay, 783 00:36:24,224 --> 00:36:25,024 Speaker 3: maybe you should do it. 784 00:36:25,584 --> 00:36:28,384 Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, I'll do that in all my free time. Actually, 785 00:36:28,384 --> 00:36:31,264 Speaker 1: don't even joke. I'm going to me writing a pilot tonight. 786 00:36:32,784 --> 00:36:34,824 Speaker 3: It would have been surprised me, Laurie, there's such a 787 00:36:34,824 --> 00:36:37,024 Speaker 3: gun that it would not surprise me if you were like. 788 00:36:37,264 --> 00:36:39,544 Speaker 2: By the way, I have a script also. 789 00:36:39,344 --> 00:36:40,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got it on my laptop right now. Also 790 00:36:41,064 --> 00:36:43,464 Speaker 1: licensing the Sex and City name, I'm sure that's easy 791 00:36:43,544 --> 00:36:46,344 Speaker 1: and not at all expensive. No, I'm up for grabs. 792 00:36:46,864 --> 00:36:50,544 Speaker 3: You can do like what the old like rebrands of things, 793 00:36:50,584 --> 00:36:51,384 Speaker 3: and they'd be like. 794 00:36:51,504 --> 00:36:53,864 Speaker 1: You have to use and of the City. You have 795 00:36:53,904 --> 00:36:55,904 Speaker 1: to use your IP every like one hundred years or 796 00:36:55,904 --> 00:36:59,104 Speaker 1: so for it for it to keep it. So maybe 797 00:36:59,144 --> 00:37:00,904 Speaker 1: I'll wait one hundred years and then I'll pick up 798 00:37:00,944 --> 00:37:04,904 Speaker 1: Sex and the City for I'm sure a very reasonable amount. Well, 799 00:37:04,944 --> 00:37:06,824 Speaker 1: on that note, thank you very much for listening to 800 00:37:06,864 --> 00:37:10,024 Speaker 1: the Spill today, and a little exciting news if you're 801 00:37:10,024 --> 00:37:12,824 Speaker 1: not as you can now listen to the Spill twice 802 00:37:12,904 --> 00:37:15,784 Speaker 1: a day. 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