Speaker 1: The feeling when you need to put your hair back urgently.
Speaker 1: I know, I get. It's a real feeling. I just
Speaker 1: had it, and I was like, I will use an
Speaker 1: electrical cord if I have to. I am so desperate
Speaker 1: I actually can't stand it.
Speaker 2: I entirely agree there should be a word for that,
Speaker 2: because to concentrate and they need your hair.
Speaker 1: And if you can't find a hair tie, You're right.
Speaker 1: I have used not being able to find a tampole.
Speaker 1: That's the worst.
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Mama Mia out Loud. Today is Friday,
Speaker 3: the first of November, and with the weekends so close,
Speaker 3: we're leaving the news cycle behind to spin itself into
Speaker 3: it stressed out frenzy and talk about other stuff. But
Speaker 3: before we begin, we've had a lot of new listeners
Speaker 3: and too the group chat recently, so allow us to
Speaker 3: introduce ourselves to My name is Holly Wayne Wright.
Speaker 1: Who are you though? Who am I question? I'm me
Speaker 1: a Friedman. I'm the co founder of mom and Mia
Speaker 1: and some other things.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm Emily Vernon. I usually host our daily entertainment podcast,
Speaker 2: A Spill, but I'm filling in for Jesse today.
Speaker 1: What's your job title?
Speaker 2: Here I say writer and podcaster, but I kind of
Speaker 2: gave it to myself.
Speaker 1: We could all have writer and podcasts. Actually, I make
Speaker 1: up a different title most weeks, even at very different stages.
Speaker 1: We could all be writer and podcaster. I noticed in
Speaker 1: my auto signature it said I was creative director. But
Speaker 1: someone else says.
Speaker 3: That, Trot, you aren't you co founder and head of what?
Speaker 1: Now? I'm just co founder, head of creating Happy?
Speaker 3: Okay, She's very important anyway. On the show today, what
Speaker 3: are officially the happiest and least happy decades of our lives?
Speaker 3: And why that whole question is a croc. Also recommendations
Speaker 3: for your weekend and beyond, including the book that might
Speaker 3: finally change my life, em Who's got something to help
Speaker 3: you do your hair? And me has actually got a
Speaker 3: whole list of recommendations for us today and our best
Speaker 3: and worst of the week, which include a Gwyneth update
Speaker 3: from me, AM's got another complaint about working, and Mia
Speaker 3: hadn't encounter with a coproat.
Speaker 1: But first, Mayor Friedman, I have to tell you, in
Speaker 1: case you missed it, that there is a common rental
Speaker 1: behavior that is dividing households. Millennial households and it's also
Speaker 1: divining the internet. After there was a post on the
Speaker 1: Reddit thread oz property chat which sounds riveting, should be
Speaker 1: hanging out there more often. It got a lot of
Speaker 1: traction this post, and the dilemma was this. It was
Speaker 1: a man who posted that the head renter in the
Speaker 1: sharehouse where he lived had sent him a WhatsApp message
Speaker 1: after noticing that this guy's partner had been spending more
Speaker 1: time at their sharehouse than before. And the message said
Speaker 1: two day rule for partners. Third day you pay for
Speaker 1: a week's rent. Please pay the extra week of rent.
Speaker 1: I hope you understand that it costs me money. The
Speaker 1: poster then asked the forum if this is allowed Before
Speaker 1: hundreds of people gave their opinions, because that's how the
Speaker 1: Internet works. Now, before we get to those, I just
Speaker 1: want to go the opinions that I care about more,
Speaker 1: the opinions of the out louders. And we did our
Speaker 1: own poll. Sixty four percent of you said that if
Speaker 1: a partner is staying over for long periods, they should
Speaker 1: contribute to bills like water electricity in the internet. Ten
Speaker 1: percent of you said the partner is not living there,
Speaker 1: so they should never have to pay. An eleven percent
Speaker 1: said it's perfectly fair for a partner to have to
Speaker 1: contribute after two days. What do you live alone, don't you?
Speaker 2: I live alone. I used to have a housemaid, but
Speaker 2: I never had this particular issue.
Speaker 1: She got a boyfriend while you were living together.
Speaker 2: You started got a two a friend on the last
Speaker 2: day of us living together. So we never had I mean,
Speaker 2: we had like guys over that we were dating for
Speaker 2: a long period of time, but never like more than
Speaker 2: three days.
Speaker 1: It's three days in a row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually not even like it would literally be one
Speaker 2: night and then we'd see him like next week and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, hey, Billy, and she'd have to be like,
Speaker 2: his name's not Billy, And I'm like, oh, I don't.
Speaker 1: That's quite awkward when it's your house, isn't it, because
Speaker 1: you can't sort of maybe come out if you live
Speaker 1: you know, maybe no top on or maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: I do think about nude households.
Speaker 2: There's a difference between being in a share house of
Speaker 2: four people and one of those four gets like a
Speaker 2: partner and it becomes five versus just having one house mate.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like you would feel the difference more
Speaker 2: like going from two to three versus four to five.
Speaker 3: I've lived through this many times, many times, Like obviously
Speaker 3: not for a long time, but I lived in a
Speaker 3: lot of shared houses for a lot of years. The
Speaker 3: biggest was six for years and years I lived in
Speaker 3: one with four. And I think that this everybody getting
Speaker 3: very incensed about this is just passive aggressive because it's
Speaker 3: not actually about the electricity and the water, Like it's
Speaker 3: not really that likely that that one person being there
Speaker 3: and having a shower quick shower every morning is really
Speaker 3: like impacting your water.
Speaker 1: Bill that much. What it's about is the mill don't
Speaker 1: want you here? Oh no, sorry, I mean sorry, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. But it's also the milk, the bread.
Speaker 3: But it's not, though, because what if they're not the
Speaker 3: problem with making it about money is I could easily say,
Speaker 3: Betty's coming over, but she won't use our milk, she
Speaker 3: won't use our blah blah blah, Like it's not about that.
Speaker 3: It's about the fact that they didn't sign up to
Speaker 3: live with Betty and suddenly they appear to be living
Speaker 3: with Betty. And so I think that making it all
Speaker 3: about the money, and I'm not pretending that money isn't important.
Speaker 3: But making it all about the money is almost like
Speaker 3: a passag like him saying more than three days, they
Speaker 3: pay a whole week's rent. That doesn't even make sense,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Like, so, it's not
Speaker 3: about the money. What it's about is get your boyfriend's
Speaker 3: last girlfriend out of my living room, which.
Speaker 1: Is relatively fair.
Speaker 3: It is fair because you said you didn't sign up
Speaker 3: to live with them. Oh, if it's can you move in?
Speaker 3: That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1: And I did that.
Speaker 3: I move boyfriends into shared houses, maybe only once. That's
Speaker 3: one of those awful conversations where you're like really stealing yourself. Like,
Speaker 3: so I was thinking, how did you picture Martin's been
Speaker 3: kicked out of his house or his rent lease is
Speaker 3: up and he's going traveling soon. That was always the story,
Speaker 3: you know, going traveling soon. So it would only be
Speaker 3: for a few months, and then they would obviously if
Speaker 3: they're moving in, then they contribute to the rent and everything.
Speaker 3: Of course they do, But then you get the arguments
Speaker 3: should you pay doubles, should you pay a little bit more?
Speaker 3: Like it's very thorny, but it nearly always really is
Speaker 3: about the person and the sharing of the space with
Speaker 3: the person.
Speaker 1: It's really nigli, isn't it. Because I was living with
Speaker 1: a couple of girlfriends and one of them had their
Speaker 1: boyfriend over a lot, and suddenly we didn't really want
Speaker 1: to share a bathroom with a man, like we wanted
Speaker 1: to be able to be able to come in and
Speaker 1: out of the shower in a towel. Or suddenly when
Speaker 1: everybody's getting ready for work in the morning, there's also
Speaker 1: a guy, and guys take a long time in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with their bowels, but what
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: No, they go on their phones when they're on the
Speaker 2: toilets and they sit there and like, yeah, they forever.
Speaker 3: I would have thought that these issues would be different now,
Speaker 3: because when I was in shared houses, it was thing
Speaker 3: of like what was on the telly?
Speaker 1: Everyone had to watch it, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So those were often like the kind of things you'd
Speaker 3: argue about is like someone had come home and like
Speaker 3: me and Betty are watching Survivor. Whereas now everyone can
Speaker 3: just live their separate lives. It's not so much communal time.
Speaker 3: It's still annoys people knowing.
Speaker 2: There's nothing worse than coming into your kitchen, like in
Speaker 2: your underwear after like a big night, wanting to get
Speaker 2: your panel when a hangout and there's like a man
Speaker 2: sitting on your couch or a stranger.
Speaker 3: People study happiness. I think we know that, right, But
Speaker 3: I'm going to suggest that all or some of the
Speaker 3: funding that goes to working out exactly what year of
Speaker 3: your life might be the happiest, what decade, what moment, etc.
Speaker 3: Could be redirected to something actually useful, like a laundry
Speaker 3: folding robot. I was going to say, but you're much
Speaker 3: more worthy with your cancer suggestions.
Speaker 1: Some of us care about you know, people.
Speaker 3: Help because I just read a piece about your happiest
Speaker 3: decade based on research, and I say it's full of BS,
Speaker 3: but let's get to it. According to this article in
Speaker 3: The Guardian by Sophie Brickman, she's citing research. By the way,
Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting for a minute that she's full of BS.
Speaker 3: She's not basing it on vibes. She's basing it on research.
Speaker 3: Your forties are your least happy decade. Your least happy
Speaker 3: year is exactly forty seven point two.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: One of the reasons cited for this in this research.
Speaker 3: Of course, it's all about family, dependent kids, aging parents,
Speaker 3: a lack of time to yourself for self care, and
Speaker 3: so on and so on. This information has sent younger
Speaker 3: millennials and Gen zs into a bit of a tizzy
Speaker 3: because the idea that happiness is you shaped, which is
Speaker 3: something that a lot of the happiness researchers have found.
Speaker 3: The idea that you start off happy, then you get
Speaker 3: really fucking miserable, and then you end up happy again
Speaker 3: is causing dread. Now I'm going to tell you why
Speaker 3: I think it's nonsense in a little bit, but first
Speaker 3: I need to hear from you two m Does hearing
Speaker 3: this make you not want to grow up?
Speaker 2: Yes? Because in my head I always thought thirty six
Speaker 2: was meant to be my year.
Speaker 1: Why it's a rangel number? What's going to happen in
Speaker 1: that year?
Speaker 2: Thirty six is the year where I am married. I
Speaker 2: don't have kids yet, but I have a big house, and.
Speaker 1: I don't I would. I think you should probably have
Speaker 1: kids by thirty six. No, I wasn't laughing about that.
Speaker 3: I was just like, how we wear's this big house
Speaker 3: in the marriage and all this grown up life coming.
Speaker 2: I might be working part time here because I know
Speaker 2: that's quite easy. I just be like living like with
Speaker 2: all my friends and family, will have them over for
Speaker 2: dinner parties, Like that's my.
Speaker 1: Year and still feeling you say it is like a
Speaker 1: proper grown up year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the year where I feel like I
Speaker 2: have my shit together by then.
Speaker 3: So when you read this, the fact that that will
Speaker 3: just put you on the precipice of misery, does that
Speaker 3: make you worry?
Speaker 2: It makes me sad because she also said that, like,
Speaker 2: happiness is like the U shape, where like it goes
Speaker 2: down at forty seven point two. So I'm assuming that
Speaker 2: I'm meant.
Speaker 1: To be up right now. Yeah, You're meant to be
Speaker 1: really happy right now. So it only gets worse from
Speaker 1: here living your best life.
Speaker 2: So is it because we both have been forty seven
Speaker 2: point two.
Speaker 1: We have, I guess ideally, which is good news for
Speaker 1: Holly and I. You want to look at that number
Speaker 1: and you want it to be in the review mirror
Speaker 1: and you want to say, Okay, I'm on the upward trajectory.
Speaker 1: What's interesting about that number is that I think it
Speaker 1: correlates with the if you have children and parents in
Speaker 1: your life, that the needs put upon you by other
Speaker 1: people are at their highest and they're knock on effective.
Speaker 1: That is financial pressure. A lot of people want shit
Speaker 1: from you. Right. Your children might not be little, but
Speaker 1: there's this myth that as they get older they need
Speaker 1: you less. That actually needs you more. The stakes are
Speaker 1: a bit higher as they get older, so there's a
Speaker 1: lot to be done when they're really you know, at
Speaker 1: that kind of age. I've bucked this a little bit
Speaker 1: because my parents had me young. I had my first
Speaker 1: child young, and he had his first child young. So
Speaker 1: I have always been out of step with my peers,
Speaker 1: and I'm still out of step with my peers because
Speaker 1: now at fifty three, I've got a grandchild and my
Speaker 1: kids are grown up, except for my youngest who's sixteen,
Speaker 1: but because he's a third child, he may as well
Speaker 1: be twenty five, like he learnt to sort himself out
Speaker 1: a long time ago. And I'm fortunate enough that my
Speaker 1: parents touch Wood are eighty but in great shape, and
Speaker 1: so my parents in law. So I think what's interesting.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Anniston said that I always I've.
Speaker 3: Got the great ex philosophy.
Speaker 1: Forget Yoda, It's all always about jen jan Anne. She
Speaker 1: said that you need to have therapy in your thirties
Speaker 1: so that you can enjoy your forties. Her father died,
Speaker 1: she was estranger from her mother. She didn't have children
Speaker 1: in her forties. She's now well into her fifties, probably
Speaker 1: her late fifties, and she had therapy, So I imagine that
Speaker 1: for her, and she spoke about this when she was
Speaker 1: in her forties. That's of her life advice. And I
Speaker 1: actually agree with that. I think that if you haven't
Speaker 1: sorted your shit out in your thirties, your forties are
Speaker 1: really hard.
Speaker 3: I just think the very notion that there's a point
Speaker 3: at which you've sorted all your shit out is nonsense.
Speaker 1: No, I don't mean, of course, there's always more shit.
Speaker 1: I got to say, tell me, is there no shit
Speaker 1: left by the time fifty? Which is a reminder to
Speaker 1: go back to therapy for me? But there's new shit.
Speaker 1: But I mean they're very much building block decades, thirties
Speaker 1: and forties. And I think that a lot of decisions
Speaker 1: you make in your thirties inform your forties. And I
Speaker 1: think understanding yourself well, certainly, if you've made bad decisions,
Speaker 1: and don't we all, and you've got patterns that you
Speaker 1: keep repeating to understand those in your thirties is really
Speaker 1: helpful in your forties.
Speaker 3: I think these kind of studies directly affect our happiness, right,
Speaker 3: because the very idea that there is a destination, like
Speaker 3: happiness is a destination and you're going to get there
Speaker 3: and you're going to stay there.
Speaker 1: It's absolute nonsense.
Speaker 3: And the older and wiser you get, the more you
Speaker 3: realize that there are pockets in every year, in every
Speaker 3: decade of absolute joy, absolute despair.
Speaker 1: Of course absolute this isn't.
Speaker 3: But my point is so chasing down and giving people
Speaker 3: data about like, yeah, you're not going to be happy
Speaker 3: in your thirties. M. You know you're not going to
Speaker 3: be happy in your forties. Maybe you'll finally get happy
Speaker 3: in your fifties. Especially in the endless, first for information
Speaker 3: world we live in, I think it's really stupid. Well,
Speaker 3: it's different for everybody, and you only know what your
Speaker 3: decade was to generalize over a decade in the rearview mirror,
Speaker 3: like M can't possibly know she might have peaked. I
Speaker 3: don't even think there's such a thing as the happiest decade.
Speaker 3: I think that you've got to stop thinking that there
Speaker 3: is a place where you will sit or like there
Speaker 3: are little bits of happiness in the shittiest times in
Speaker 3: the good times.
Speaker 2: Twenty eight how's.
Speaker 1: Your twenties been horrible? How are your team? Why are
Speaker 1: they horrible?
Speaker 2: I just feel like twenties feel like I'm in like
Speaker 2: my waiting phase.
Speaker 1: A lot of pressure in your twenties, I think.
Speaker 2: And then thirty is meant to be where I start
Speaker 2: sorting everything out and then everything will sort out. Like
Speaker 2: if I could, just, like tomorrow wake up as a
Speaker 2: thirty year old, I'd want that.
Speaker 1: What would you? Yeah, what's the point of wishing your
Speaker 1: life away?
Speaker 3: Or thinking like, rather than going okay, so today, I
Speaker 3: could do some things that would make me happy, Like
Speaker 3: I think it's a very specific view that like if
Speaker 3: we always think that we're never quite there, I'm never
Speaker 3: quite there. I'm not at my happiest yet that directly
Speaker 3: affects your happiness.
Speaker 1: Because this is not a recipe or a blueprint. This
Speaker 1: is just an observation from a whole lot of people
Speaker 1: that have been asked to self assess the decade of
Speaker 1: their life that was the best and the worst. I
Speaker 1: could do that, though. What I think is interesting about this,
Speaker 1: and of course it doesn't apply to everybody, but is
Speaker 1: to just understand the meaning behind it, because you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about seasons, and some seasons you expect them
Speaker 1: to be great, and they're actually tougher than you think.
Speaker 1: And women are always interested in this season that's coming
Speaker 1: up for them. You know, if you are single, you
Speaker 1: want to know what it's like maybe to be married.
Speaker 1: If you're married, maybe you want to know what it's
Speaker 1: like to be divorced. You know, if you've got one child,
Speaker 1: you'll know what it's like to have two children. And
Speaker 1: you want to know what it's like to have teenagers
Speaker 1: when you kids are small. And so I just think
Speaker 1: that it's not a guarantee that this decade will be bad,
Speaker 1: but it's just made me think that for women, and
Speaker 1: I'd be so interested to know if it was different
Speaker 1: for men. For women, the less people you have depending
Speaker 1: on you in a caring role, the happier you are.
Speaker 1: That's why women's happiness tends to go up the older.
Speaker 1: And I think we're sold such bad news about growing
Speaker 1: older and that you know, oh, you've got to be
Speaker 1: in your twenties and you've got you know, we're in
Speaker 1: this culture that values youth above all else, particularly physically
Speaker 1: that it's actually lovely to think that things get happier.
Speaker 3: But I think it's not good for happiness to always
Speaker 3: think you're in a waiting room. Like I think that
Speaker 3: that's the problem, is if you always think I'm in
Speaker 3: a waiting room and things are going to be different.
Speaker 3: Because what you said before about assessing in hindsight is
Speaker 3: so true, right, But even that shifts because I had
Speaker 3: my kids later. So again, as you've already said with
Speaker 3: your anecdote, like this is kind of bullshit because that
Speaker 3: all can depend on different times.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So my forties I had little kids, incredibly incredibly difficult decade.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But the thing is is that I know now all
Speaker 3: the joy that was in that that I will miss
Speaker 3: for the rest of my life. I will look back
Speaker 3: at those years for the rest of my life and
Speaker 3: the pockets of joy that I had even though it
Speaker 3: was hard, and I won't think it was my unhappiest decade,
Speaker 3: so that I haven't. I think there have been shit
Speaker 3: years in all my decades, really stressful, difficult times, really beautiful,
Speaker 3: glorious times. I know it's unpopular not to just slot
Speaker 3: into a like well, let's just say it's it but
Speaker 3: I think that genuinely you're happier if you think that
Speaker 3: you can find happiness all the time, little bits of
Speaker 3: it like today, tomorrow, next week, but not go I'm
Speaker 3: living in a ship world right now, and it's going
Speaker 3: to be better when when I lose weight, when I
Speaker 3: get that job, when I meet a partner, when I
Speaker 3: buy my house. When that is the thing that keeps
Speaker 3: you unhappy, Yeah, that's interesting. I just don't think that's
Speaker 3: what this survey says to me. I think it's just
Speaker 3: interesting looking at different phases. And of course it's not
Speaker 3: like when you generalize about a decade. I think for
Speaker 3: women particularly, you know who you are more as you
Speaker 3: get older. And I think maybe it's the word happy
Speaker 3: that's tripping you up. If it was like challenging or difficult,
Speaker 3: I don't know, you don't like being put into boxing.
Speaker 3: But I also don't think it's I just think that
Speaker 3: there's too much emphasis on this. As I say that
Speaker 3: happiness is a place you'll get to one day, I
Speaker 3: don't think that.
Speaker 1: And when you think about the next few decades of
Speaker 1: your life, how do you kind of imagine them rolling out? Well,
Speaker 1: when she's thirty seven, she's going to have her big
Speaker 1: house and I'm thirty six.
Speaker 2: My big house and my husband. I genuinely don't know
Speaker 2: my big I guess complex from my age right now
Speaker 2: is because my mom had me when she was twenty eight,
Speaker 2: and I'm the oldest child. And since I was young,
Speaker 2: I've always had especially from early twenties, I've always been like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, do I need a boyfriend? Should I
Speaker 2: get a boyfriend? Now? When do I have kids? And
Speaker 2: my Mom's like, don't worry because I was old for
Speaker 2: my age to have kids. I was only twenty eight
Speaker 2: and now I'm twenty eight, and she's like, stop stressing,
Speaker 2: Like I can feel you stressing. Don't stress, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel bad now that I sattle. Thirty six is
Speaker 2: too technically kids yet if you want them. But I
Speaker 2: think I was like really looking forward to my forties because.
Speaker 1: I until you read this article, until I've read this article,
Speaker 1: Olly's right, it's made you unhappy.
Speaker 2: Because I loved watching my parents in their forties, Like
Speaker 2: I remember those years so clearly. I remember them just
Speaker 2: having so much fun and surely like they would have
Speaker 2: been so stressed behind the scenes, but me and my
Speaker 2: sister never saw it. And they were just so much fun.
Speaker 2: And I talked about this last week about now I'm
Speaker 2: seeing my parents' age, but in my head when I picked,
Speaker 2: my parents are in their forties, like taking us out,
Speaker 2: going to parks, like having fun.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I hated my twenties. I'm very happy
Speaker 1: to make generalizations about decades because I like boxes and leaderboards.
Speaker 1: Times I reckon, wait, but that's not what this is.
Speaker 1: This is looking at a decade and generalizing about a decade.
Speaker 1: So for me, I really struggled in my twenties. I
Speaker 1: separated from my husband, lost a baby, didn't know who
Speaker 1: I was, was undiagnosed with all sorts of things. And
Speaker 1: I had a really, really difficult time in my twenties
Speaker 1: for a whole bunch of reasons that I only understood
Speaker 1: once I started going to therapy properly and addressed a
Speaker 1: bunch of things in my late twenties early thirties when
Speaker 1: my life essentially fell apart in my twenties. My thirties
Speaker 1: were about consolidation, a little bit more kind of working
Speaker 1: out who I was, but still all of those big
Speaker 1: decisions like how many kids to have, who's my partner,
Speaker 1: getting back with Jason, not whatever. And then I loved
Speaker 1: my forties. I really did. I've loved my forties and
Speaker 1: I'm loving my fifties. It's interesting and it's going to
Speaker 1: be different for everybody, you know, just in the same
Speaker 1: way that not everybody is the average height or whatever
Speaker 1: the average age. Can you not generalize about any of
Speaker 1: your decades when you kind of look at them as seasons.
Speaker 1: Didn't mean that I hate it every day that I
Speaker 1: was twenty, but just as a decade. I understand the concept.
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't understand the concept.
Speaker 3: I just generally think that it's not helpful because, yeah,
Speaker 3: my twenties, all of that craziness and a lot of
Speaker 3: shit happened to me in my twenties two there were
Speaker 3: also amazing adventures that turn my life in the direction
Speaker 3: that it's gone in. So I could not possibly say
Speaker 3: that I was miserable. I was miserable some of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just don't see it that way, And I think
Speaker 3: for me that's helped me because I don't. And aging
Speaker 3: has really changed my view on happiness. I used to
Speaker 3: think much more like that about it, like there's a
Speaker 3: place and I'll get there. And if I make these
Speaker 3: changes in my life, everything will fall into place and
Speaker 3: it will be great. And I think wisdom hards for life.
Speaker 3: Wisdom has taught me that that's not true.
Speaker 2: I get confused on the phrase figuring out who you are.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. I don't know what
Speaker 2: that means for me.
Speaker 1: It's about understanding why I like certain things, why I
Speaker 1: respond in certain ways, why I don't feel right in
Speaker 1: certain situations where other people seem to feel right to me.
Speaker 1: It's about undoing the shoulds, the shoulds of life, and
Speaker 1: that's definitely something that makes you happier. Yeah, it's going, oh,
Speaker 1: everyone likes parties. I don't like parties. It's not because
Speaker 1: I'm broken or because I'm abnormal. It's because that drains
Speaker 1: my battery. And I understand and then going, oh, what
Speaker 1: feels my battery and learning about that. And maybe you
Speaker 1: can do that at any age, but there's a certain
Speaker 1: amount of you just need life experience to be able
Speaker 1: to look in the review mirror and understand yourself a
Speaker 1: little bit better. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: I think that's why I'm not enjoying my twenties, because
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm still at that age where I
Speaker 2: still have to do things that I don't necessarily want
Speaker 2: to do, like I still.
Speaker 1: Have sticking around for a long time. But if you've
Speaker 1: worked out what you do and don't like, you know,
Speaker 1: or how you respond or you know. Sometimes it can
Speaker 1: be about the romantic partners that you choose. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: can be about patterns you're in with friends or with
Speaker 1: you know. It took me a long time, for example,
Speaker 1: to work out that I fall in love with people friendships,
Speaker 1: and I'm a fast starter, and then I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: and so god. I had to do that a lot
Speaker 1: of times to work out, Hey, maybe don't come on
Speaker 1: so strong so fast, Maybe just sit back a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's just one example. And not traveling, I kept thinking
Speaker 1: if I travel more, I like it more. Everyone else
Speaker 1: likes travel. I don't like travel, and I've unpacked all
Speaker 1: the reasons why I don't like travel. So I guess
Speaker 1: knowing myself better is judging myself less.
Speaker 2: After the break, Mia is about to go rogue with
Speaker 2: her recommendation.
Speaker 1: Hell out.
Speaker 2: So we love giving our recos as much as you
Speaker 2: love hearing them, So settle in. Because Mia has a
Speaker 2: reco blockage which needs I'm plugging.
Speaker 1: That is so gross. Visually, Yeah, I've got reco constipation
Speaker 1: because I haven't been on a Friday show for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Oh so I'm backed up.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna keep you hanging because I'm gonna make.
Speaker 1: You go last. Okay a visual of that ole you're up.
Speaker 3: My recommendation is a self help book, which is very
Speaker 3: unlike me, because I hate self help books. Happily, this
Speaker 3: is a self help book written by someone who also
Speaker 3: hates self help books.
Speaker 1: Perfect for you exactly.
Speaker 3: He's called Oliver Berkman, and if you know about these things,
Speaker 3: he was a Guardian columnist for years and he write
Speaker 3: these columns about self development, but from very much this
Speaker 3: like raised eyebrow, this is all perspective. And then he
Speaker 3: wrote a book that became a massive bestseller called four
Speaker 3: Thousand Hours, and he got interviewed everywhere.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's new book. It's called Meditation for Mortals. And
Speaker 3: the reason I picked up this book that I would
Speaker 3: formally hate is because, as regular out loud as would know,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to learn how to meditate.
Speaker 1: It's not going well.
Speaker 3: Maybe I should just accept as the previous segment and
Speaker 3: me are saying, get to know yourself. Maybe I should
Speaker 3: just accept it's not for me, but I'm trying hard anyway.
Speaker 3: It's like a little course the way it's been designed,
Speaker 3: as you read a chapter every day or listen. I'm listening,
Speaker 3: so like the first five minutes of my walk in
Speaker 3: the morning, I listen to one, and it's like little
Speaker 3: insights into basically recognizing.
Speaker 1: Even bits of wisdom, yeah.
Speaker 3: And like little bits of kind of instead of thinking
Speaker 3: that one day you're going to finally become this productive,
Speaker 3: incredibly sorted out, like infinite person who can write a
Speaker 3: book and make dinners from scratch and keep everybody happy
Speaker 3: all the time and do it like maybe just chill
Speaker 3: out a bit.
Speaker 1: So it's like kind of gener therapy in a way.
Speaker 3: It kind of is, but it's like little insights and
Speaker 3: life lessons. So one of the things that I found
Speaker 3: helpful the other day was this thing about you keep
Speaker 3: a to do list, but you should also always keep
Speaker 3: a done list, because your to do list never ends,
Speaker 3: and sometimes you need to remind yourself.
Speaker 1: That, look, I did actually do all that shit, and
Speaker 1: things like.
Speaker 3: I was talking to you Earliermir about like he's saying,
Speaker 3: when you feel really trapped in any situation, remember that
Speaker 3: you do have the freedom to change it, but you
Speaker 3: have to work out whether the consequences are worth it.
Speaker 1: Oh I like these so anyway, it's not like me.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm trying to grow, and I'm only
Speaker 3: up to about week seven. So I'll report back just
Speaker 3: to torture you all on whether or not I ever learn.
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty eight. Sorry, every day for twenty
Speaker 1: eight Oh no, no, no, sorry, there's four weeks. So
Speaker 1: how many days are there than four weeks? Thirty ish? Yeah.
Speaker 3: The idea is is if you read or listen to
Speaker 3: a chapter every day. Yeah, can't you tell them better?
Speaker 1: Person? Already it's going really well. It's called Meditation for
Speaker 1: Mortals by Oliver Burk.
Speaker 2: Okay, my turn. So I'm recommending a product today. It's
Speaker 2: called the vs Ssoon Unbound Cord and Cordless Curler. So
Speaker 2: I went to a hair event recently, and I'm not
Speaker 2: a hair person just because I have a lot of hair.
Speaker 1: It's the hair.
Speaker 2: It takes me at least one whole hour to do
Speaker 2: my hair, even like straightening it. It's a lot and
Speaker 2: drying it.
Speaker 1: You've got beautiful.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I think you can either be
Speaker 2: a makeup person or a hair person. You don't have
Speaker 2: to be both.
Speaker 1: Remember when it was blue your hair.
Speaker 2: That was what I was going through a breakup, so
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, break up, but it was good.
Speaker 2: They showed me this curler that like, it's not like
Speaker 2: the traditional curls where you curl your hair around or
Speaker 2: like those big wand things it sucks your hair in
Speaker 2: and then spits it out or dies one of those.
Speaker 2: And it's like a curl and it's so light and
Speaker 2: it's cordless, so you can charge it overnight and keep
Speaker 2: in your handbag or your car. And you choose like
Speaker 2: the heat temperature, You choose which direction you want the
Speaker 2: curl to go in, and you can choose how curly you.
Speaker 1: Want to Does it leave you with like beechy waves.
Speaker 2: Or there's four options. Can I choose on the actual device,
Speaker 2: like if you want just a wave or like a
Speaker 2: tight curl. I always go tight curl because my hair
Speaker 2: is so thick that it drops, but also the it
Speaker 2: like keeps.
Speaker 1: It in there.
Speaker 2: And it took me ten minutes to do my hair
Speaker 2: isn't that insane? Normally ten hour, it takes an hour.
Speaker 1: To Oh, that's very good. Is it expensive? There are
Speaker 1: so many amazing new hair tools on the market. Some
Speaker 1: of them are incredibly expensive.
Speaker 2: It's around one hundred and fifty I think, which is expensive,
Speaker 2: but not the.
Speaker 1: Dollars. Yeah, okay, that's awesome. So I've got a few.
Speaker 1: I've had my fiber. I'm ready to release my recommendations
Speaker 1: into the world. The first thing I want to recommend
Speaker 1: is a book that was out this week that I've
Speaker 1: wanted to tell out louders about for a while. It's
Speaker 1: called Out of the Box and it is subtitled A
Speaker 1: one Stop Guide to Navigating Neurodivergence. It's by Rebecca Sparrow
Speaker 1: and Madonna King. They both live up in Brisbane. Madonna
Speaker 1: King is a terrific journalist and written many many books
Speaker 1: about parenting and other things. Beck's Barrow, friend of the Pod,
Speaker 1: absolute gun expert on teenagers and tweens. But this book
Speaker 1: is so good. I know that there are a lot
Speaker 1: of out louders who have kids of all different ages
Speaker 1: who are neurodivergent, so that might mean that they are
Speaker 1: on the autism spectrum. Or they have. Adhd Madonna and
Speaker 1: Beck surveyed and interviewed almost two thousand Australians in including
Speaker 1: like experts and educators and children and their parents, and
Speaker 1: they gathered all the most useful tips to help support
Speaker 1: these kids and not just when they're little, but also
Speaker 1: like when they're learning to drive and when they're you know,
Speaker 1: maybe moving out of home and finding friends.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot about schools too, and how it
Speaker 3: is how fast to deal with education when.
Speaker 1: Your kid doesn't fit the box exactly exactly, and Beck
Speaker 1: has a neurodivergent child, and it's even stuff about applying
Speaker 1: for jobs and insights from teachers and it's just such
Speaker 1: a great book. It's a terrific handbook if you've got
Speaker 1: someone who is living with someone who's neurodiversent, it's a
Speaker 1: great gift. Highly recommend it. Some of my other recommendations.
Speaker 1: I have read a book by someone we all love
Speaker 1: on the show, Taffy Brodessa Akner. She is one of
Speaker 1: the best profile writers in the world. She works for
Speaker 1: The New York Times. She wrote a book called Fleischman
Speaker 1: Is in Trouble, which was made into a TV series,
Speaker 1: and her next novel is called Long Island Compromise, and
Speaker 1: it is about a very wealthy family, three generations of
Speaker 1: that family, and the impact it has when the father
Speaker 1: is kidnapped for a period of time and then returned.
Speaker 1: And it's not a thriller. That actually happens early on
Speaker 1: and he's returned. It's not like a mystery or a thriller.
Speaker 1: If she was not a woman, she would be being
Speaker 1: compared to Jonathan Fransen, who is this great American author
Speaker 1: who writes generational novels. She's amazing, She is incredible. That's
Speaker 1: excellently actually a good book. I love her writing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just loved reading this book. So I read that
Speaker 1: on my kindle. Long Island Compromise a book that I
Speaker 1: listened to that I cannot talk about enough or recommend enough.
Speaker 1: It's Lisa Marie Presley's memoir and it's the audio book
Speaker 1: and the reason Lisa Marie Presley, of course, daughter only
Speaker 1: child and daughter of Elvis Presley, mother of Riley Keo
Speaker 1: who this bit's important. She's an actor. She was in
Speaker 1: Daisy in the sixth she wrote or she started to
Speaker 1: write a memoir and she died last year of a
Speaker 1: cardiac arrest in her fifties and she had started work
Speaker 1: on this memoir. She'd recorded some voice notes, she'd done
Speaker 1: some interviews, and there were recordings of those. This memoir
Speaker 1: has been finished by her daughter, Riley, who, after her
Speaker 1: mother's sudden death, came upon all of this work and
Speaker 1: had to think about am I going to put it
Speaker 1: out in the world. The narrator who does Lisa Marie's
Speaker 1: voice is Julia Roberts, and there are also some of
Speaker 1: the recordings of Lisa Marie's actual voice.
Speaker 2: Is it emotional?
Speaker 1: Yes? And then Riley weaves her story through as well,
Speaker 1: like her experience of her mum, And it's an incredible story.
Speaker 1: Like Riley's brother took his own life a couple of
Speaker 1: years before Lisa Marie died, she married Michael Jackson. It's amazing,
Speaker 1: it's all that in there. Yes, it's all in there,
Speaker 1: opective from Riley's perspective, and then having Julia Roberts narrator,
Speaker 1: it's just it's an absolute I won't say a delight,
Speaker 1: but it is an extraordinary thing to listen to. And
Speaker 1: then the last thing I wanted to recommend is a
Speaker 1: small business brand that makes toys. She's an out louder.
Speaker 1: She sent some toys from her brand called Freckled Frog.
Speaker 1: They're these wooden toys, Like there's a lot you know
Speaker 1: that when you've got little kids, and I'd forgotten this
Speaker 1: now having Luna, your house is just full of plastic shit, yeah,
Speaker 1: brightly colored plastic. And these are so beautiful. There are
Speaker 1: all the wooden toys, Like there's this set that I've
Speaker 1: got that are just all these different people and there
Speaker 1: are different people of all ages, and there's like people
Speaker 1: using wheelchairs and you know, old people, young people, babies,
Speaker 1: and like it's for imaginative play.
Speaker 2: Are they still like colorfuls?
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, no they're great. No, no, no, they're great
Speaker 1: and just so interesting and learners at this age now
Speaker 1: where she likes sort of little objects and sorting things.
Speaker 1: But they're the kinds of toys that are nice to
Speaker 1: have around. They did play with them as well. Totally
Speaker 1: does after the break our Best and Worst of the Week,
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Speaker 1: It's time for our Best and Worst of the Week,
Speaker 1: where we tell you about the highs and lows of
Speaker 1: our week. The rules are, it can be superficial, it
Speaker 1: can be a big thing, it can be a small thing.
Speaker 1: There's no rules here, there is no judgment whole. What's
Speaker 1: your worst of the week. My friend Gwyneth is in
Speaker 1: trouble and it's making me sad. Oh dear, No. The
Speaker 1: relish with which people are reporting that Goop has laid
Speaker 1: off eighteen percent of its workforce.
Speaker 2: That's big.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not really well, I mean, I mean as
Speaker 3: a business person, she's missive, But what I mean is like,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: It is massive.
Speaker 3: And they're also talking about their slow downs, but obviously
Speaker 3: the spin from their side is like, we're just reprioritizing
Speaker 3: Hyah decode that businesses are doing it really tough.
Speaker 1: Retailer is doing it really tough. And she is an
Speaker 1: online retailer. She sells vibrators and fancy creams and clothes
Speaker 1: and interestingly, she has never appointed a CEO. She stayed
Speaker 1: as CEO. Trinny would always done the same with her company.
Speaker 1: I have never been the CEO because I know I'd
Speaker 1: be a terrible CEO. I think that often founders aren't
Speaker 1: the best CEOs for their companies once they get to
Speaker 1: a certain size. I'm not saying that about Trinny, but
Speaker 1: perhaps Gwyneth isn't. And you know, they were doing a
Speaker 1: lot of those these candle smells like my vagina and
Speaker 1: all those like shock things. Gets what's of coverage? But
Speaker 1: it's clearly not translat Yeah, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: So the reason I was I've made it my worst
Speaker 3: is because it's also the time of year when the
Speaker 3: Goop Gift Guide comes out, and it's one of my
Speaker 3: absolute delights to go and peruse that gift guide, right,
Speaker 3: because how would I survive if I didn't know about
Speaker 3: the two hundred and fifty dollars vibrator ring?
Speaker 1: Yeah, or abra ring.
Speaker 3: It's literally like a ring, like a ring on your finger,
Speaker 3: but it has you'd like it. Actually, it has like
Speaker 3: a big gold bullet thing on it that doubles as
Speaker 3: a vibrator.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so clear. Yeah, I know. Right, So if
Speaker 1: a meeting gets boring all this podcast, I was like,
Speaker 1: what's that sound? I saw myself? That's going off?
Speaker 3: Not you know, reacting with the technology anyway, or six
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty dollars cavea or body balance magnets. It
Speaker 3: is my pleasure, right I like scrolling through all her
Speaker 3: like plain black pole and necks that inexplicably cost.
Speaker 1: Like howels dollars you never buy any And.
Speaker 3: That's my point, right, is that I was thinking, like, oh,
Speaker 3: that rainbow yoga matt for two grand. Actually that I
Speaker 3: was like, but maybe I'm part of the problem because
Speaker 3: I've never even won sport anything from the group Guard,
Speaker 3: and yet I love looking at it.
Speaker 1: I actually don't think that's the problem whole. As much
Speaker 1: as I don't want you to blame yourself for this,
Speaker 1: I actually think, having read quite a bit about this,
Speaker 1: and business is hard, man, you know, no shade on Gwyneth.
Speaker 1: Business is really hard. They expanded into good Clean Goop,
Speaker 1: which was like a discount line of Goop for Target,
Speaker 1: and it hasn't worked so funnily enough, people aren't that
Speaker 1: interested in buying a sort of a mid priced Goop
Speaker 1: product in Target. So perhaps she tried to expand in
Speaker 1: a direction and she should have gone more high end.
Speaker 1: She should have done like a thousand dollars fancy vibrator
Speaker 1: ring that's like platinum plated, and that might have been better.
Speaker 1: Who knows. I'm not a retail I'm sure she has
Speaker 1: one of them.
Speaker 2: So really sad about.
Speaker 1: Thoughts and prayers. Yes, it's my worst.
Speaker 3: I'm pouring one out for Gwyneth, Like, seriously, what can
Speaker 3: you do if you haven't got the Goop Guide in
Speaker 3: your back pocket? My best is reversing my car into
Speaker 3: a tree, which I know that sounds a twist.
Speaker 1: I didn't say coming for your best.
Speaker 3: So last weekend in Berry it was the Rider's Festival.
Speaker 3: I don't live in Bury, but I live near Berry.
Speaker 3: Jesse came down, lots of wonderful riders came down.
Speaker 1: It was great fun.
Speaker 3: But I had a very busy weekend like doing sessions,
Speaker 3: seeing sessions, doing stuff, helping out a little bit.
Speaker 1: Not really.
Speaker 3: And I was also obviously being a taxi driver for
Speaker 3: my teenage order, because that's all you are, right at
Speaker 3: some point in your life.
Speaker 2: Best decade, So yeah.
Speaker 1: It's the best decade driving.
Speaker 3: I went to pick up one of her friends from
Speaker 3: a place and I immediately reversed my car into a tree,
Speaker 3: which was very annoying. Will cost us some money to fix.
Speaker 3: But the reason it ended up being the best is
Speaker 3: that we have two cars, and the other car is
Speaker 3: an absolute ship box, like I'm not even joking it.
Speaker 3: It has wind down windows like manual wind down windows.
Speaker 3: You can't connect your phone to the stereo. Last time
Speaker 3: I was in it and I tried to adjust the mirror,
Speaker 3: it came off in my hand, like it's a shit box.
Speaker 3: And on Sunday night, after I'd just reversed the carrent
Speaker 3: to a tree, my friend who was one of the
Speaker 3: organizers of the festival, so can you give this rider
Speaker 3: a lift back to Sydney on Monday morning? I was like, sure,
Speaker 3: I can, And then I realized I was going to
Speaker 3: have to drive them in the shipbox car. Not only that,
Speaker 3: but Brent had transported a whole lot of waste from
Speaker 3: the garden in the shipbox car, so the shipbox car
Speaker 3: had spiders and hay fever, allergen things. The reason this
Speaker 3: all ended up being my best is because that two
Speaker 3: hour drive in the hilarious car with no podcasts and
Speaker 3: no music, but a very good conversation.
Speaker 1: With this person.
Speaker 3: It was actually like it was one of those things
Speaker 3: where a comedy of errors ended up giving you a present?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Every now and and that happens, right,
Speaker 1: what's yours? My worst is that the other day I
Speaker 1: put on my shower cap and I still do you
Speaker 1: have a shower cap? That's so well? I don't understand
Speaker 1: no one has a shower for me. You two have
Speaker 1: so much hair. I don't understand how you have showers
Speaker 1: with and you tie your hair back, but why would
Speaker 1: you want to when you can have a shower cap.
Speaker 2: I don't like the noise that it makes, and I
Speaker 2: don't know why I keep it without it going slimy
Speaker 2: and it kind of smells a bit your towel hook.
Speaker 1: But also I don't have my ears in it. I
Speaker 1: think maybe because I have my back to the shower
Speaker 1: the water. Do you have your face? No, I face
Speaker 1: the shower. Oh, I don't face the shower. Maybe this
Speaker 1: reddle this, This might make a little bit more sense.
Speaker 1: But also I rotate a little bit, like sometimes I
Speaker 1: turn around.
Speaker 2: We have to clean it front.
Speaker 1: Sometimes clean front, clean front. Anyway, I put my shower
Speaker 1: cap on my head and I was like, what's that is?
Speaker 1: Maybe some of my hair's falling out? Glance in the mirror.
Speaker 1: There was a cockreach running down my face.
Speaker 2: That's why we don't shower down.
Speaker 1: Into my cleavage and then I brushed it away and
Speaker 1: off it ran. Anyway, it wasn't lovely. That was my
Speaker 1: worst pretty bad, right. Best though, is that every so
Speaker 1: often I haven't we call it out og family dinner.
Speaker 1: It's my family of origin, so it's my parents and
Speaker 1: my brother, no partners, no kids, just the four of us.
Speaker 1: And we had one of those haven't had one for
Speaker 1: ages and it was really lovely. And then my mum asked, oh, Darling,
Speaker 1: when are you going to be back on Out Loud?
Speaker 1: And usually she doesn't like the show when I'm not
Speaker 1: on it, She's always like, I'm missing you on the show.
Speaker 2: I mean, I only do this for her.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get to you. And then she said,
Speaker 1: oh no, look I actually have been loving Amelia and
Speaker 1: em I've been loving them and went, thanks mom, No,
Speaker 1: that makes me so happy because I'd love having people
Speaker 1: so I can go and do other things. I said,
Speaker 1: what do you love about m Because whenever anyone gives
Speaker 1: me a compliment or compliments anything work related, I asked
Speaker 1: them why because I always want to learn and so
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you like about them? And Mum said, well,
Speaker 1: Amelie is just she's so dry and she's so funny
Speaker 1: and she knows so much. And I said, and what
Speaker 1: about m And she said, she's tough, but she's also vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Like last week she had her jeans and she was
Speaker 1: bleeding into her genes and this guy who she'd been
Speaker 1: with but I think it was just a one night stand,
Speaker 1: was like, I think you're bleeding in your jeans and
Speaker 1: then Holly said, well did he stay the night? And
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know if I'm going to see
Speaker 1: him again. And my dad and my brother we're just like, wait, so,
Speaker 1: who's bleeding into the jeans my colleague?
Speaker 2: It's not Is it weird that they're like, this is
Speaker 2: my employee?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is not inappropriate. So it was not
Speaker 1: the way I expected the dinner to go. But I
Speaker 1: just thought it was delightful and I love that description
Speaker 1: of you, and also that the conversation over dinner was
Speaker 1: you leaking into your genes.
Speaker 2: I love that that's gonna be for the rest of
Speaker 2: the week.
Speaker 1: What was your worst?
Speaker 2: M Okay, my worst, which now I feel bad talking
Speaker 2: about because you just complimented me when I'm about to
Speaker 2: complain about work.
Speaker 1: Oh good, nothing less. I would be disappointed if you didn't.
Speaker 2: People who put meetings between twelve pm and two pm
Speaker 2: deserve jail time.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, our record is a level that what I'm
Speaker 3: trying to say, Producer M That's what I'm trying.
Speaker 1: To say, prison, prison.
Speaker 2: Every single day last week I had a meeting or
Speaker 2: a recording during the lunch break.
Speaker 1: Do you have a two hour lunch break? No?
Speaker 2: I do like half an hour. Sometimes I push it
Speaker 2: to an hour, except I don't think I'm allowed.
Speaker 1: So why do you need a window of twelve till two?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying like I could like go any
Speaker 2: time between them. You need lunch When.
Speaker 1: She's got people that she wants to talk to in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, you know, shift your lunch break depending on
Speaker 1: when the meeting was, unless it was a two hour
Speaker 1: meeting that went from twelve till two, And I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone's invited you to that.
Speaker 2: That's not the thing. The thing is is like my
Speaker 2: friends will have their lunch break and then I'll come
Speaker 2: out of the meeting, and then no one's there in
Speaker 2: the kitchen.
Speaker 1: And then I have to.
Speaker 2: I either have to sit by myself or sit at
Speaker 2: my desk and then work while I'm eating.
Speaker 1: Because we have a big common area at Mum and
Speaker 1: mea which we call the kitchen, and you know what
Speaker 1: at lunch time name buzzing ill the cafeteria because it
Speaker 1: feels like a cafeteria. It's like a cafeteria.
Speaker 2: There's so many more people. Like when I started, there
Speaker 2: was like seventy people, and you knew everyone in our
Speaker 2: old office. And now there's so many more people that
Speaker 2: I feel like, oh, I actually don't know you, and
Speaker 2: it's a bit weird if I just sit near you
Speaker 2: and you guys are just in the same team.
Speaker 1: Like, I can't do that, so you need to write.
Speaker 1: So it's really yucking. You're young. When someone makes you
Speaker 1: a lunch meeting, the work.
Speaker 3: Demands are messing with her socializing. May's all right, definitely
Speaker 3: talk to HR about that. A work life balance, it's important,
Speaker 3: and that includes lunch. I need to have full flexibility
Speaker 3: of my lunch time, which means I'm blocking out these twos.
Speaker 2: We should just run this audio in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: That's true, Okay.
Speaker 2: My best is is that oh I didn't crash my car.
Speaker 2: But it's similar to U whole. I don't really like driving,
Speaker 2: Like driving is like my worst chore ever. So I
Speaker 2: do have a car because the only times I have
Speaker 2: to drive is to my parents' house because I live
Speaker 2: quite far and I live in the city. And then
Speaker 2: they launched the Metro.
Speaker 1: The Metro is great. I've caught the Metro.
Speaker 2: I've been having the best time.
Speaker 1: So I use a light rail.
Speaker 2: It's in between a train and the light rail, I
Speaker 2: would say. So it's like a new form of transport
Speaker 2: that they've launched in Sydney that like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know how to me.
Speaker 3: It's no different from any other underground train. But because
Speaker 3: it's new, it's fancy. It's fancy. So the stations of fancy,
Speaker 3: so it's underground. Yeah, yeah, so the stations of fancy
Speaker 3: and clean. The platforms are fancy and clean. It's got
Speaker 3: like a barrier that owns so like you're not exposed
Speaker 3: to the tunnel.
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's faster. There's no driver, So.
Speaker 1: So what do you love about it?
Speaker 2: I love it because now I don't have to drive
Speaker 2: to my parents' house so I can jump. So I
Speaker 2: take it from Gadigall station, which is in the city,
Speaker 2: and I take it to my parents' place and it's
Speaker 2: like a five minute's walk to their place, and I'm
Speaker 2: using public transport.
Speaker 1: Saving the world. Yeah it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 1: And it's like everybody and I.
Speaker 2: Feel like I'm a main character because you can like
Speaker 2: read your book and then you're looking at everyone, going,
Speaker 2: I know, you see me looking smart over here.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: It's nice.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves it. Thank you so much out loud. As
Speaker 1: we've come to the end of our show today.
Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us. We hope you enjoy
Speaker 3: listening to it as much as we enjoy making it.
Speaker 3: We're going to be back in years on Monday, but
Speaker 3: until then and read this out, my friend.
Speaker 2: A big thank you to our team. Executive producer Rude Divine.
Speaker 2: She says that she barely knows what decade she's in,
Speaker 2: let alone if she's happy or not. Our senior producer
Speaker 2: Emmeline Gazillas is generally a glass half full kind of gal,
Speaker 2: but it's particularly content in her current decade, which is
Speaker 2: what she's been in her thirties or five seconds. You
Speaker 2: don't know this, okay. Our audio producer.
Speaker 1: Leah, but no complaints. She's fitting on so good.
Speaker 2: Audio producer Leah Porges is definitely in her happiest decade now.
Speaker 2: She hated being a teenager but is thriving in her twenties.
Speaker 2: It must ben. And our social media producer Isabelle Dolphin,
Speaker 2: who's on holiday now, so we're deciding for her that
Speaker 2: this is definitely her happiest time surely.
Speaker 1: And before we go out louders, it's the US election
Speaker 1: next week. Hello boy, did Amelia Lester have a lot
Speaker 1: to unpack with Holly and Jesse on yesterday's subscriber episode.
Speaker 1: We'll give you a little preview of that episode right now.
Speaker 1: There is a link in the show notes if you
Speaker 1: will listen to the whole theme. Now, did I say that?
Speaker 3: Jennifer Lopez she also has come out and she is
Speaker 3: roundly she said, let's get loud.
Speaker 1: It's a lie.
Speaker 3: I love it, Jello and she's the vote Harris all
Speaker 3: the way. And she's also reposted some very famous on
Speaker 3: stage imagery of her wearing air Puerto Rican flagged made
Speaker 3: entirely of feathers and her Puerto Rican pride. After that
Speaker 3: our commentary go.
Speaker 1: Jayler and we should mention that Puerto Ricans are scattered
Speaker 1: all over the US because they are American and so
Speaker 1: this could have a real impact on things. Shout out
Speaker 1: to any Muma Maya subscribers listening. If you love the
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Speaker 1: There is a link in the episode description.