1 00:00:09,407 --> 00:00:13,487 Speaker 1: The feeling when you need to put your hair back urgently. 2 00:00:13,807 --> 00:00:17,247 Speaker 1: I know, I get. It's a real feeling. I just 3 00:00:17,327 --> 00:00:19,887 Speaker 1: had it, and I was like, I will use an 4 00:00:19,967 --> 00:00:23,727 Speaker 1: electrical cord if I have to. I am so desperate 5 00:00:23,767 --> 00:00:25,087 Speaker 1: I actually can't stand it. 6 00:00:25,207 --> 00:00:27,567 Speaker 2: I entirely agree there should be a word for that, 7 00:00:27,647 --> 00:00:31,447 Speaker 2: because to concentrate and they need your hair. 8 00:00:33,247 --> 00:00:35,407 Speaker 1: And if you can't find a hair tie, You're right. 9 00:00:35,527 --> 00:00:38,607 Speaker 1: I have used not being able to find a tampole. 10 00:00:38,607 --> 00:00:39,207 Speaker 1: That's the worst. 11 00:00:42,807 --> 00:00:46,807 Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Mama Mia out Loud. Today is Friday, 12 00:00:46,927 --> 00:00:49,727 Speaker 3: the first of November, and with the weekends so close, 13 00:00:49,887 --> 00:00:52,567 Speaker 3: we're leaving the news cycle behind to spin itself into 14 00:00:52,647 --> 00:00:55,287 Speaker 3: it stressed out frenzy and talk about other stuff. But 15 00:00:55,367 --> 00:00:57,327 Speaker 3: before we begin, we've had a lot of new listeners 16 00:00:57,367 --> 00:00:59,007 Speaker 3: and too the group chat recently, so allow us to 17 00:00:59,007 --> 00:01:01,007 Speaker 3: introduce ourselves to My name is Holly Wayne Wright. 18 00:01:01,527 --> 00:01:07,567 Speaker 1: Who are you though? Who am I question? I'm me 19 00:01:07,687 --> 00:01:10,047 Speaker 1: a Friedman. I'm the co founder of mom and Mia 20 00:01:10,287 --> 00:01:11,887 Speaker 1: and some other things. 21 00:01:12,287 --> 00:01:16,047 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm Emily Vernon. I usually host our daily entertainment podcast, 22 00:01:16,047 --> 00:01:17,847 Speaker 2: A Spill, but I'm filling in for Jesse today. 23 00:01:17,927 --> 00:01:18,847 Speaker 1: What's your job title? 24 00:01:18,927 --> 00:01:21,727 Speaker 2: Here I say writer and podcaster, but I kind of 25 00:01:21,727 --> 00:01:22,647 Speaker 2: gave it to myself. 26 00:01:22,767 --> 00:01:25,607 Speaker 1: We could all have writer and podcasts. Actually, I make 27 00:01:25,727 --> 00:01:29,367 Speaker 1: up a different title most weeks, even at very different stages. 28 00:01:29,367 --> 00:01:31,567 Speaker 1: We could all be writer and podcaster. I noticed in 29 00:01:31,607 --> 00:01:34,927 Speaker 1: my auto signature it said I was creative director. But 30 00:01:35,007 --> 00:01:35,887 Speaker 1: someone else says. 31 00:01:35,767 --> 00:01:41,927 Speaker 3: That, Trot, you aren't you co founder and head of what? 32 00:01:42,167 --> 00:01:44,327 Speaker 1: Now? I'm just co founder, head of creating Happy? 33 00:01:44,887 --> 00:01:49,407 Speaker 3: Okay, She's very important anyway. On the show today, what 34 00:01:49,927 --> 00:01:54,167 Speaker 3: are officially the happiest and least happy decades of our lives? 35 00:01:54,247 --> 00:01:58,047 Speaker 3: And why that whole question is a croc. Also recommendations 36 00:01:58,047 --> 00:02:00,567 Speaker 3: for your weekend and beyond, including the book that might 37 00:02:00,607 --> 00:02:03,367 Speaker 3: finally change my life, em Who's got something to help 38 00:02:03,407 --> 00:02:05,407 Speaker 3: you do your hair? And me has actually got a 39 00:02:05,487 --> 00:02:09,887 Speaker 3: whole list of recommendations for us today and our best 40 00:02:09,887 --> 00:02:12,607 Speaker 3: and worst of the week, which include a Gwyneth update 41 00:02:12,687 --> 00:02:16,847 Speaker 3: from me, AM's got another complaint about working, and Mia 42 00:02:17,007 --> 00:02:18,407 Speaker 3: hadn't encounter with a coproat. 43 00:02:18,527 --> 00:02:22,327 Speaker 1: But first, Mayor Friedman, I have to tell you, in 44 00:02:22,327 --> 00:02:24,647 Speaker 1: case you missed it, that there is a common rental 45 00:02:24,687 --> 00:02:29,967 Speaker 1: behavior that is dividing households. Millennial households and it's also 46 00:02:30,007 --> 00:02:33,607 Speaker 1: divining the internet. After there was a post on the 47 00:02:33,767 --> 00:02:38,487 Speaker 1: Reddit thread oz property chat which sounds riveting, should be 48 00:02:38,527 --> 00:02:40,407 Speaker 1: hanging out there more often. It got a lot of 49 00:02:40,447 --> 00:02:43,367 Speaker 1: traction this post, and the dilemma was this. It was 50 00:02:43,407 --> 00:02:46,807 Speaker 1: a man who posted that the head renter in the 51 00:02:46,847 --> 00:02:50,687 Speaker 1: sharehouse where he lived had sent him a WhatsApp message 52 00:02:50,807 --> 00:02:55,487 Speaker 1: after noticing that this guy's partner had been spending more 53 00:02:55,527 --> 00:03:00,207 Speaker 1: time at their sharehouse than before. And the message said 54 00:03:00,567 --> 00:03:03,607 Speaker 1: two day rule for partners. Third day you pay for 55 00:03:03,687 --> 00:03:08,047 Speaker 1: a week's rent. Please pay the extra week of rent. 56 00:03:08,087 --> 00:03:11,727 Speaker 1: I hope you understand that it costs me money. The 57 00:03:11,807 --> 00:03:16,287 Speaker 1: poster then asked the forum if this is allowed Before 58 00:03:16,407 --> 00:03:19,487 Speaker 1: hundreds of people gave their opinions, because that's how the 59 00:03:19,487 --> 00:03:22,247 Speaker 1: Internet works. Now, before we get to those, I just 60 00:03:22,287 --> 00:03:24,327 Speaker 1: want to go the opinions that I care about more, 61 00:03:24,367 --> 00:03:26,367 Speaker 1: the opinions of the out louders. And we did our 62 00:03:26,407 --> 00:03:30,007 Speaker 1: own poll. Sixty four percent of you said that if 63 00:03:30,007 --> 00:03:32,527 Speaker 1: a partner is staying over for long periods, they should 64 00:03:32,527 --> 00:03:37,327 Speaker 1: contribute to bills like water electricity in the internet. Ten 65 00:03:37,367 --> 00:03:40,007 Speaker 1: percent of you said the partner is not living there, 66 00:03:40,087 --> 00:03:43,047 Speaker 1: so they should never have to pay. An eleven percent 67 00:03:43,247 --> 00:03:46,567 Speaker 1: said it's perfectly fair for a partner to have to 68 00:03:46,607 --> 00:03:52,567 Speaker 1: contribute after two days. What do you live alone, don't you? 69 00:03:52,687 --> 00:03:55,447 Speaker 2: I live alone. I used to have a housemaid, but 70 00:03:55,487 --> 00:03:57,447 Speaker 2: I never had this particular issue. 71 00:03:57,607 --> 00:03:59,407 Speaker 1: She got a boyfriend while you were living together. 72 00:03:59,447 --> 00:04:01,447 Speaker 2: You started got a two a friend on the last 73 00:04:01,487 --> 00:04:04,447 Speaker 2: day of us living together. So we never had I mean, 74 00:04:04,567 --> 00:04:06,647 Speaker 2: we had like guys over that we were dating for 75 00:04:06,687 --> 00:04:08,567 Speaker 2: a long period of time, but never like more than 76 00:04:08,767 --> 00:04:09,207 Speaker 2: three days. 77 00:04:09,287 --> 00:04:10,567 Speaker 1: It's three days in a row. 78 00:04:11,047 --> 00:04:12,927 Speaker 2: Yeah, actually not even like it would literally be one 79 00:04:13,047 --> 00:04:15,247 Speaker 2: night and then we'd see him like next week and 80 00:04:15,287 --> 00:04:17,207 Speaker 2: I'd be like, hey, Billy, and she'd have to be like, 81 00:04:17,367 --> 00:04:19,607 Speaker 2: his name's not Billy, And I'm like, oh, I don't. 82 00:04:19,687 --> 00:04:21,767 Speaker 1: That's quite awkward when it's your house, isn't it, because 83 00:04:21,767 --> 00:04:23,847 Speaker 1: you can't sort of maybe come out if you live 84 00:04:23,927 --> 00:04:26,407 Speaker 1: you know, maybe no top on or maybe I don't know. 85 00:04:26,647 --> 00:04:28,247 Speaker 1: I do think about nude households. 86 00:04:28,327 --> 00:04:30,807 Speaker 2: There's a difference between being in a share house of 87 00:04:30,847 --> 00:04:33,247 Speaker 2: four people and one of those four gets like a 88 00:04:33,287 --> 00:04:36,487 Speaker 2: partner and it becomes five versus just having one house mate. 89 00:04:36,687 --> 00:04:38,607 Speaker 2: Like I feel like you would feel the difference more 90 00:04:38,767 --> 00:04:41,287 Speaker 2: like going from two to three versus four to five. 91 00:04:42,087 --> 00:04:45,447 Speaker 3: I've lived through this many times, many times, Like obviously 92 00:04:45,487 --> 00:04:46,847 Speaker 3: not for a long time, but I lived in a 93 00:04:46,847 --> 00:04:49,287 Speaker 3: lot of shared houses for a lot of years. The 94 00:04:49,287 --> 00:04:51,887 Speaker 3: biggest was six for years and years I lived in 95 00:04:51,927 --> 00:04:55,887 Speaker 3: one with four. And I think that this everybody getting 96 00:04:55,927 --> 00:04:58,967 Speaker 3: very incensed about this is just passive aggressive because it's 97 00:04:59,007 --> 00:05:02,287 Speaker 3: not actually about the electricity and the water, Like it's 98 00:05:02,327 --> 00:05:05,767 Speaker 3: not really that likely that that one person being there 99 00:05:05,767 --> 00:05:08,847 Speaker 3: and having a shower quick shower every morning is really 100 00:05:09,007 --> 00:05:10,207 Speaker 3: like impacting your water. 101 00:05:10,007 --> 00:05:12,567 Speaker 1: Bill that much. What it's about is the mill don't 102 00:05:12,567 --> 00:05:14,927 Speaker 1: want you here? Oh no, sorry, I mean sorry, I 103 00:05:14,967 --> 00:05:18,087 Speaker 1: agree with you. But it's also the milk, the bread. 104 00:05:18,287 --> 00:05:20,967 Speaker 3: But it's not, though, because what if they're not the 105 00:05:21,007 --> 00:05:24,287 Speaker 3: problem with making it about money is I could easily say, 106 00:05:24,927 --> 00:05:27,527 Speaker 3: Betty's coming over, but she won't use our milk, she 107 00:05:27,567 --> 00:05:29,967 Speaker 3: won't use our blah blah blah, Like it's not about that. 108 00:05:30,047 --> 00:05:32,207 Speaker 3: It's about the fact that they didn't sign up to 109 00:05:32,247 --> 00:05:34,527 Speaker 3: live with Betty and suddenly they appear to be living 110 00:05:34,527 --> 00:05:37,167 Speaker 3: with Betty. And so I think that making it all 111 00:05:37,207 --> 00:05:39,607 Speaker 3: about the money, and I'm not pretending that money isn't important. 112 00:05:39,647 --> 00:05:41,847 Speaker 3: But making it all about the money is almost like 113 00:05:41,887 --> 00:05:44,607 Speaker 3: a passag like him saying more than three days, they 114 00:05:44,647 --> 00:05:47,047 Speaker 3: pay a whole week's rent. That doesn't even make sense, 115 00:05:47,207 --> 00:05:48,767 Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Like, so, it's not 116 00:05:48,807 --> 00:05:51,927 Speaker 3: about the money. What it's about is get your boyfriend's 117 00:05:51,967 --> 00:05:54,247 Speaker 3: last girlfriend out of my living room, which. 118 00:05:54,087 --> 00:05:54,967 Speaker 1: Is relatively fair. 119 00:05:55,007 --> 00:05:58,087 Speaker 3: It is fair because you said you didn't sign up 120 00:05:58,127 --> 00:06:00,287 Speaker 3: to live with them. Oh, if it's can you move in? 121 00:06:00,327 --> 00:06:01,287 Speaker 3: That's a whole other thing. 122 00:06:01,647 --> 00:06:02,407 Speaker 1: And I did that. 123 00:06:02,527 --> 00:06:06,047 Speaker 3: I move boyfriends into shared houses, maybe only once. That's 124 00:06:06,087 --> 00:06:09,487 Speaker 3: one of those awful conversations where you're like really stealing yourself. Like, 125 00:06:09,687 --> 00:06:13,407 Speaker 3: so I was thinking, how did you picture Martin's been 126 00:06:13,487 --> 00:06:15,527 Speaker 3: kicked out of his house or his rent lease is 127 00:06:15,607 --> 00:06:17,807 Speaker 3: up and he's going traveling soon. That was always the story, 128 00:06:17,847 --> 00:06:20,127 Speaker 3: you know, going traveling soon. So it would only be 129 00:06:20,167 --> 00:06:22,847 Speaker 3: for a few months, and then they would obviously if 130 00:06:22,847 --> 00:06:25,487 Speaker 3: they're moving in, then they contribute to the rent and everything. 131 00:06:25,527 --> 00:06:27,407 Speaker 3: Of course they do, But then you get the arguments 132 00:06:27,447 --> 00:06:29,807 Speaker 3: should you pay doubles, should you pay a little bit more? 133 00:06:29,887 --> 00:06:33,127 Speaker 3: Like it's very thorny, but it nearly always really is 134 00:06:33,167 --> 00:06:35,567 Speaker 3: about the person and the sharing of the space with 135 00:06:35,647 --> 00:06:36,007 Speaker 3: the person. 136 00:06:36,087 --> 00:06:38,247 Speaker 1: It's really nigli, isn't it. Because I was living with 137 00:06:38,407 --> 00:06:40,687 Speaker 1: a couple of girlfriends and one of them had their 138 00:06:40,727 --> 00:06:44,167 Speaker 1: boyfriend over a lot, and suddenly we didn't really want 139 00:06:44,207 --> 00:06:46,847 Speaker 1: to share a bathroom with a man, like we wanted 140 00:06:46,847 --> 00:06:48,327 Speaker 1: to be able to be able to come in and 141 00:06:48,367 --> 00:06:51,167 Speaker 1: out of the shower in a towel. Or suddenly when 142 00:06:51,167 --> 00:06:54,047 Speaker 1: everybody's getting ready for work in the morning, there's also 143 00:06:54,327 --> 00:06:56,647 Speaker 1: a guy, and guys take a long time in the bathroom. 144 00:06:56,687 --> 00:06:58,287 Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with their bowels, but what 145 00:06:58,447 --> 00:06:58,727 Speaker 1: is that? 146 00:06:58,847 --> 00:07:00,487 Speaker 2: No, they go on their phones when they're on the 147 00:07:00,487 --> 00:07:03,927 Speaker 2: toilets and they sit there and like, yeah, they forever. 148 00:07:04,047 --> 00:07:06,247 Speaker 3: I would have thought that these issues would be different now, 149 00:07:06,327 --> 00:07:09,607 Speaker 3: because when I was in shared houses, it was thing 150 00:07:09,647 --> 00:07:11,367 Speaker 3: of like what was on the telly? 151 00:07:11,407 --> 00:07:13,087 Speaker 1: Everyone had to watch it, do you know what I mean? 152 00:07:13,167 --> 00:07:15,287 Speaker 3: So those were often like the kind of things you'd 153 00:07:15,367 --> 00:07:17,887 Speaker 3: argue about is like someone had come home and like 154 00:07:18,167 --> 00:07:21,927 Speaker 3: me and Betty are watching Survivor. Whereas now everyone can 155 00:07:22,007 --> 00:07:25,367 Speaker 3: just live their separate lives. It's not so much communal time. 156 00:07:25,407 --> 00:07:26,807 Speaker 3: It's still annoys people knowing. 157 00:07:26,607 --> 00:07:29,167 Speaker 2: There's nothing worse than coming into your kitchen, like in 158 00:07:29,207 --> 00:07:32,287 Speaker 2: your underwear after like a big night, wanting to get 159 00:07:32,287 --> 00:07:34,167 Speaker 2: your panel when a hangout and there's like a man 160 00:07:34,207 --> 00:07:36,127 Speaker 2: sitting on your couch or a stranger. 161 00:07:37,087 --> 00:07:39,807 Speaker 3: People study happiness. I think we know that, right, But 162 00:07:39,847 --> 00:07:42,127 Speaker 3: I'm going to suggest that all or some of the 163 00:07:42,127 --> 00:07:44,847 Speaker 3: funding that goes to working out exactly what year of 164 00:07:44,847 --> 00:07:48,207 Speaker 3: your life might be the happiest, what decade, what moment, etc. 165 00:07:48,887 --> 00:07:52,887 Speaker 3: Could be redirected to something actually useful, like a laundry 166 00:07:52,927 --> 00:07:55,087 Speaker 3: folding robot. I was going to say, but you're much 167 00:07:55,127 --> 00:07:56,847 Speaker 3: more worthy with your cancer suggestions. 168 00:07:56,887 --> 00:07:59,567 Speaker 1: Some of us care about you know, people. 169 00:07:59,567 --> 00:08:03,287 Speaker 3: Help because I just read a piece about your happiest 170 00:08:03,327 --> 00:08:07,247 Speaker 3: decade based on research, and I say it's full of BS, 171 00:08:07,247 --> 00:08:09,807 Speaker 3: but let's get to it. According to this article in 172 00:08:09,847 --> 00:08:12,487 Speaker 3: The Guardian by Sophie Brickman, she's citing research. By the way, 173 00:08:12,527 --> 00:08:14,607 Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting for a minute that she's full of BS. 174 00:08:14,727 --> 00:08:17,407 Speaker 3: She's not basing it on vibes. She's basing it on research. 175 00:08:18,167 --> 00:08:22,567 Speaker 3: Your forties are your least happy decade. Your least happy 176 00:08:22,727 --> 00:08:26,327 Speaker 3: year is exactly forty seven point two. 177 00:08:26,407 --> 00:08:27,007 Speaker 1: Interesting. 178 00:08:27,527 --> 00:08:29,847 Speaker 3: One of the reasons cited for this in this research. 179 00:08:29,887 --> 00:08:33,407 Speaker 3: Of course, it's all about family, dependent kids, aging parents, 180 00:08:33,447 --> 00:08:35,487 Speaker 3: a lack of time to yourself for self care, and 181 00:08:35,527 --> 00:08:38,487 Speaker 3: so on and so on. This information has sent younger 182 00:08:38,527 --> 00:08:40,727 Speaker 3: millennials and Gen zs into a bit of a tizzy 183 00:08:41,007 --> 00:08:43,527 Speaker 3: because the idea that happiness is you shaped, which is 184 00:08:43,567 --> 00:08:45,967 Speaker 3: something that a lot of the happiness researchers have found. 185 00:08:46,047 --> 00:08:48,567 Speaker 3: The idea that you start off happy, then you get 186 00:08:48,607 --> 00:08:51,407 Speaker 3: really fucking miserable, and then you end up happy again 187 00:08:51,887 --> 00:08:54,447 Speaker 3: is causing dread. Now I'm going to tell you why 188 00:08:54,447 --> 00:08:56,607 Speaker 3: I think it's nonsense in a little bit, but first 189 00:08:56,607 --> 00:08:59,207 Speaker 3: I need to hear from you two m Does hearing 190 00:08:59,287 --> 00:09:01,247 Speaker 3: this make you not want to grow up? 191 00:09:01,567 --> 00:09:06,127 Speaker 2: Yes? Because in my head I always thought thirty six 192 00:09:06,447 --> 00:09:07,847 Speaker 2: was meant to be my year. 193 00:09:08,127 --> 00:09:12,287 Speaker 1: Why it's a rangel number? What's going to happen in 194 00:09:12,327 --> 00:09:12,807 Speaker 1: that year? 195 00:09:12,967 --> 00:09:17,367 Speaker 2: Thirty six is the year where I am married. I 196 00:09:17,407 --> 00:09:20,967 Speaker 2: don't have kids yet, but I have a big house, and. 197 00:09:21,647 --> 00:09:24,127 Speaker 1: I don't I would. I think you should probably have 198 00:09:24,247 --> 00:09:26,727 Speaker 1: kids by thirty six. No, I wasn't laughing about that. 199 00:09:26,767 --> 00:09:28,807 Speaker 3: I was just like, how we wear's this big house 200 00:09:28,847 --> 00:09:30,967 Speaker 3: in the marriage and all this grown up life coming. 201 00:09:31,087 --> 00:09:32,887 Speaker 2: I might be working part time here because I know 202 00:09:32,887 --> 00:09:36,647 Speaker 2: that's quite easy. I just be like living like with 203 00:09:36,687 --> 00:09:38,247 Speaker 2: all my friends and family, will have them over for 204 00:09:38,287 --> 00:09:39,727 Speaker 2: dinner parties, Like that's my. 205 00:09:39,767 --> 00:09:41,527 Speaker 1: Year and still feeling you say it is like a 206 00:09:41,647 --> 00:09:42,727 Speaker 1: proper grown up year. 207 00:09:43,167 --> 00:09:45,287 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the year where I feel like I 208 00:09:45,327 --> 00:09:46,807 Speaker 2: have my shit together by then. 209 00:09:48,047 --> 00:09:50,047 Speaker 3: So when you read this, the fact that that will 210 00:09:50,087 --> 00:09:52,647 Speaker 3: just put you on the precipice of misery, does that 211 00:09:52,727 --> 00:09:53,567 Speaker 3: make you worry? 212 00:09:53,687 --> 00:09:55,647 Speaker 2: It makes me sad because she also said that, like, 213 00:09:55,647 --> 00:09:58,327 Speaker 2: happiness is like the U shape, where like it goes 214 00:09:58,407 --> 00:10:02,167 Speaker 2: down at forty seven point two. So I'm assuming that 215 00:10:02,247 --> 00:10:02,847 Speaker 2: I'm meant. 216 00:10:02,687 --> 00:10:04,527 Speaker 1: To be up right now. Yeah, You're meant to be 217 00:10:04,567 --> 00:10:06,527 Speaker 1: really happy right now. So it only gets worse from 218 00:10:06,527 --> 00:10:07,847 Speaker 1: here living your best life. 219 00:10:07,887 --> 00:10:10,647 Speaker 2: So is it because we both have been forty seven 220 00:10:10,687 --> 00:10:11,367 Speaker 2: point two. 221 00:10:11,247 --> 00:10:14,927 Speaker 1: We have, I guess ideally, which is good news for 222 00:10:14,967 --> 00:10:17,127 Speaker 1: Holly and I. You want to look at that number 223 00:10:17,447 --> 00:10:19,127 Speaker 1: and you want it to be in the review mirror 224 00:10:19,687 --> 00:10:22,487 Speaker 1: and you want to say, Okay, I'm on the upward trajectory. 225 00:10:22,967 --> 00:10:26,287 Speaker 1: What's interesting about that number is that I think it 226 00:10:26,367 --> 00:10:30,847 Speaker 1: correlates with the if you have children and parents in 227 00:10:30,887 --> 00:10:34,287 Speaker 1: your life, that the needs put upon you by other 228 00:10:34,367 --> 00:10:38,607 Speaker 1: people are at their highest and they're knock on effective. 229 00:10:38,607 --> 00:10:41,567 Speaker 1: That is financial pressure. A lot of people want shit 230 00:10:41,687 --> 00:10:45,527 Speaker 1: from you. Right. Your children might not be little, but 231 00:10:45,647 --> 00:10:47,847 Speaker 1: there's this myth that as they get older they need 232 00:10:47,847 --> 00:10:50,367 Speaker 1: you less. That actually needs you more. The stakes are 233 00:10:50,367 --> 00:10:53,367 Speaker 1: a bit higher as they get older, so there's a 234 00:10:53,407 --> 00:10:56,567 Speaker 1: lot to be done when they're really you know, at 235 00:10:56,567 --> 00:11:00,407 Speaker 1: that kind of age. I've bucked this a little bit 236 00:11:00,567 --> 00:11:05,887 Speaker 1: because my parents had me young. I had my first 237 00:11:05,967 --> 00:11:08,967 Speaker 1: child young, and he had his first child young. So 238 00:11:09,327 --> 00:11:11,967 Speaker 1: I have always been out of step with my peers, 239 00:11:12,007 --> 00:11:13,807 Speaker 1: and I'm still out of step with my peers because 240 00:11:13,807 --> 00:11:16,967 Speaker 1: now at fifty three, I've got a grandchild and my 241 00:11:17,127 --> 00:11:20,727 Speaker 1: kids are grown up, except for my youngest who's sixteen, 242 00:11:20,767 --> 00:11:23,167 Speaker 1: but because he's a third child, he may as well 243 00:11:23,207 --> 00:11:26,007 Speaker 1: be twenty five, like he learnt to sort himself out 244 00:11:26,007 --> 00:11:28,727 Speaker 1: a long time ago. And I'm fortunate enough that my 245 00:11:28,887 --> 00:11:33,567 Speaker 1: parents touch Wood are eighty but in great shape, and 246 00:11:33,607 --> 00:11:37,607 Speaker 1: so my parents in law. So I think what's interesting. 247 00:11:37,727 --> 00:11:42,527 Speaker 1: Jennifer Anniston said that I always I've. 248 00:11:42,367 --> 00:11:44,967 Speaker 3: Got the great ex philosophy. 249 00:11:45,207 --> 00:11:49,567 Speaker 1: Forget Yoda, It's all always about jen jan Anne. She 250 00:11:49,807 --> 00:11:52,407 Speaker 1: said that you need to have therapy in your thirties 251 00:11:52,407 --> 00:11:56,207 Speaker 1: so that you can enjoy your forties. Her father died, 252 00:11:56,247 --> 00:11:59,247 Speaker 1: she was estranger from her mother. She didn't have children 253 00:11:59,367 --> 00:12:01,847 Speaker 1: in her forties. She's now well into her fifties, probably 254 00:12:01,847 --> 00:12:05,967 Speaker 1: her late fifties, and she had therapy, So I imagine that 255 00:12:06,127 --> 00:12:08,207 Speaker 1: for her, and she spoke about this when she was 256 00:12:08,247 --> 00:12:11,127 Speaker 1: in her forties. That's of her life advice. And I 257 00:12:11,167 --> 00:12:13,127 Speaker 1: actually agree with that. I think that if you haven't 258 00:12:13,287 --> 00:12:16,487 Speaker 1: sorted your shit out in your thirties, your forties are 259 00:12:16,607 --> 00:12:17,327 Speaker 1: really hard. 260 00:12:17,567 --> 00:12:20,167 Speaker 3: I just think the very notion that there's a point 261 00:12:20,167 --> 00:12:22,287 Speaker 3: at which you've sorted all your shit out is nonsense. 262 00:12:22,327 --> 00:12:24,687 Speaker 1: No, I don't mean, of course, there's always more shit. 263 00:12:24,927 --> 00:12:26,807 Speaker 1: I got to say, tell me, is there no shit 264 00:12:26,887 --> 00:12:29,327 Speaker 1: left by the time fifty? Which is a reminder to 265 00:12:29,447 --> 00:12:31,927 Speaker 1: go back to therapy for me? But there's new shit. 266 00:12:32,047 --> 00:12:35,407 Speaker 1: But I mean they're very much building block decades, thirties 267 00:12:35,407 --> 00:12:37,807 Speaker 1: and forties. And I think that a lot of decisions 268 00:12:37,807 --> 00:12:41,047 Speaker 1: you make in your thirties inform your forties. And I 269 00:12:41,087 --> 00:12:46,527 Speaker 1: think understanding yourself well, certainly, if you've made bad decisions, 270 00:12:46,607 --> 00:12:48,647 Speaker 1: and don't we all, and you've got patterns that you 271 00:12:48,727 --> 00:12:53,127 Speaker 1: keep repeating to understand those in your thirties is really 272 00:12:53,167 --> 00:12:54,407 Speaker 1: helpful in your forties. 273 00:12:54,887 --> 00:12:58,247 Speaker 3: I think these kind of studies directly affect our happiness, right, 274 00:12:58,287 --> 00:13:03,247 Speaker 3: because the very idea that there is a destination, like 275 00:13:03,367 --> 00:13:05,687 Speaker 3: happiness is a destination and you're going to get there 276 00:13:05,727 --> 00:13:06,727 Speaker 3: and you're going to stay there. 277 00:13:06,847 --> 00:13:08,247 Speaker 1: It's absolute nonsense. 278 00:13:08,647 --> 00:13:11,287 Speaker 3: And the older and wiser you get, the more you 279 00:13:11,367 --> 00:13:14,647 Speaker 3: realize that there are pockets in every year, in every 280 00:13:14,687 --> 00:13:17,167 Speaker 3: decade of absolute joy, absolute despair. 281 00:13:17,287 --> 00:13:19,247 Speaker 1: Of course absolute this isn't. 282 00:13:19,047 --> 00:13:21,727 Speaker 3: But my point is so chasing down and giving people 283 00:13:22,007 --> 00:13:24,367 Speaker 3: data about like, yeah, you're not going to be happy 284 00:13:24,407 --> 00:13:27,607 Speaker 3: in your thirties. M. You know you're not going to 285 00:13:27,607 --> 00:13:30,087 Speaker 3: be happy in your forties. Maybe you'll finally get happy 286 00:13:30,087 --> 00:13:33,047 Speaker 3: in your fifties. Especially in the endless, first for information 287 00:13:33,127 --> 00:13:35,887 Speaker 3: world we live in, I think it's really stupid. Well, 288 00:13:35,927 --> 00:13:39,207 Speaker 3: it's different for everybody, and you only know what your 289 00:13:39,247 --> 00:13:43,327 Speaker 3: decade was to generalize over a decade in the rearview mirror, 290 00:13:43,447 --> 00:13:46,447 Speaker 3: like M can't possibly know she might have peaked. I 291 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:49,767 Speaker 3: don't even think there's such a thing as the happiest decade. 292 00:13:49,807 --> 00:13:52,127 Speaker 3: I think that you've got to stop thinking that there 293 00:13:52,207 --> 00:13:54,487 Speaker 3: is a place where you will sit or like there 294 00:13:54,527 --> 00:13:57,327 Speaker 3: are little bits of happiness in the shittiest times in 295 00:13:57,367 --> 00:13:58,007 Speaker 3: the good times. 296 00:13:58,687 --> 00:14:00,087 Speaker 2: Twenty eight how's. 297 00:13:59,887 --> 00:14:02,767 Speaker 1: Your twenties been horrible? How are your team? Why are 298 00:14:02,767 --> 00:14:03,407 Speaker 1: they horrible? 299 00:14:03,767 --> 00:14:06,487 Speaker 2: I just feel like twenties feel like I'm in like 300 00:14:06,527 --> 00:14:07,767 Speaker 2: my waiting phase. 301 00:14:08,047 --> 00:14:09,687 Speaker 1: A lot of pressure in your twenties, I think. 302 00:14:09,767 --> 00:14:12,407 Speaker 2: And then thirty is meant to be where I start 303 00:14:12,487 --> 00:14:14,927 Speaker 2: sorting everything out and then everything will sort out. Like 304 00:14:15,007 --> 00:14:16,847 Speaker 2: if I could, just, like tomorrow wake up as a 305 00:14:16,847 --> 00:14:18,007 Speaker 2: thirty year old, I'd want that. 306 00:14:18,567 --> 00:14:21,207 Speaker 1: What would you? Yeah, what's the point of wishing your 307 00:14:21,247 --> 00:14:21,807 Speaker 1: life away? 308 00:14:22,047 --> 00:14:25,007 Speaker 3: Or thinking like, rather than going okay, so today, I 309 00:14:25,007 --> 00:14:26,887 Speaker 3: could do some things that would make me happy, Like 310 00:14:26,967 --> 00:14:30,287 Speaker 3: I think it's a very specific view that like if 311 00:14:30,327 --> 00:14:33,207 Speaker 3: we always think that we're never quite there, I'm never 312 00:14:33,327 --> 00:14:36,767 Speaker 3: quite there. I'm not at my happiest yet that directly 313 00:14:36,807 --> 00:14:37,767 Speaker 3: affects your happiness. 314 00:14:37,767 --> 00:14:40,447 Speaker 1: Because this is not a recipe or a blueprint. This 315 00:14:40,607 --> 00:14:44,207 Speaker 1: is just an observation from a whole lot of people 316 00:14:44,487 --> 00:14:49,207 Speaker 1: that have been asked to self assess the decade of 317 00:14:49,207 --> 00:14:51,127 Speaker 1: their life that was the best and the worst. I 318 00:14:51,687 --> 00:14:54,647 Speaker 1: could do that, though. What I think is interesting about this, 319 00:14:54,727 --> 00:14:57,327 Speaker 1: and of course it doesn't apply to everybody, but is 320 00:14:57,767 --> 00:15:00,647 Speaker 1: to just understand the meaning behind it, because you know, 321 00:15:00,687 --> 00:15:04,527 Speaker 1: we talk about seasons, and some seasons you expect them 322 00:15:04,567 --> 00:15:06,887 Speaker 1: to be great, and they're actually tougher than you think. 323 00:15:06,967 --> 00:15:09,967 Speaker 1: And women are always interested in this season that's coming 324 00:15:10,007 --> 00:15:13,447 Speaker 1: up for them. You know, if you are single, you 325 00:15:13,447 --> 00:15:15,007 Speaker 1: want to know what it's like maybe to be married. 326 00:15:15,007 --> 00:15:16,487 Speaker 1: If you're married, maybe you want to know what it's 327 00:15:16,527 --> 00:15:18,687 Speaker 1: like to be divorced. You know, if you've got one child, 328 00:15:18,687 --> 00:15:20,167 Speaker 1: you'll know what it's like to have two children. And 329 00:15:20,567 --> 00:15:21,927 Speaker 1: you want to know what it's like to have teenagers 330 00:15:21,927 --> 00:15:24,447 Speaker 1: when you kids are small. And so I just think 331 00:15:24,527 --> 00:15:28,167 Speaker 1: that it's not a guarantee that this decade will be bad, 332 00:15:28,647 --> 00:15:31,847 Speaker 1: but it's just made me think that for women, and 333 00:15:31,887 --> 00:15:34,407 Speaker 1: I'd be so interested to know if it was different 334 00:15:34,407 --> 00:15:38,367 Speaker 1: for men. For women, the less people you have depending 335 00:15:38,407 --> 00:15:42,007 Speaker 1: on you in a caring role, the happier you are. 336 00:15:42,127 --> 00:15:45,327 Speaker 1: That's why women's happiness tends to go up the older. 337 00:15:45,367 --> 00:15:48,847 Speaker 1: And I think we're sold such bad news about growing 338 00:15:48,847 --> 00:15:51,167 Speaker 1: older and that you know, oh, you've got to be 339 00:15:51,207 --> 00:15:52,727 Speaker 1: in your twenties and you've got you know, we're in 340 00:15:52,727 --> 00:15:56,367 Speaker 1: this culture that values youth above all else, particularly physically 341 00:15:57,207 --> 00:16:00,687 Speaker 1: that it's actually lovely to think that things get happier. 342 00:16:00,727 --> 00:16:03,207 Speaker 3: But I think it's not good for happiness to always 343 00:16:03,207 --> 00:16:05,207 Speaker 3: think you're in a waiting room. Like I think that 344 00:16:05,207 --> 00:16:07,047 Speaker 3: that's the problem, is if you always think I'm in 345 00:16:07,047 --> 00:16:09,047 Speaker 3: a waiting room and things are going to be different. 346 00:16:09,047 --> 00:16:12,327 Speaker 3: Because what you said before about assessing in hindsight is 347 00:16:12,367 --> 00:16:15,487 Speaker 3: so true, right, But even that shifts because I had 348 00:16:15,487 --> 00:16:17,687 Speaker 3: my kids later. So again, as you've already said with 349 00:16:17,727 --> 00:16:19,727 Speaker 3: your anecdote, like this is kind of bullshit because that 350 00:16:19,767 --> 00:16:21,367 Speaker 3: all can depend on different times. 351 00:16:21,447 --> 00:16:21,647 Speaker 1: Right. 352 00:16:22,007 --> 00:16:27,367 Speaker 3: So my forties I had little kids, incredibly incredibly difficult decade. 353 00:16:27,607 --> 00:16:27,807 Speaker 1: Right. 354 00:16:28,527 --> 00:16:31,687 Speaker 3: But the thing is is that I know now all 355 00:16:31,727 --> 00:16:33,847 Speaker 3: the joy that was in that that I will miss 356 00:16:33,847 --> 00:16:35,927 Speaker 3: for the rest of my life. I will look back 357 00:16:35,967 --> 00:16:38,287 Speaker 3: at those years for the rest of my life and 358 00:16:38,327 --> 00:16:40,207 Speaker 3: the pockets of joy that I had even though it 359 00:16:40,247 --> 00:16:43,207 Speaker 3: was hard, and I won't think it was my unhappiest decade, 360 00:16:43,367 --> 00:16:46,887 Speaker 3: so that I haven't. I think there have been shit 361 00:16:47,007 --> 00:16:51,847 Speaker 3: years in all my decades, really stressful, difficult times, really beautiful, 362 00:16:51,847 --> 00:16:55,287 Speaker 3: glorious times. I know it's unpopular not to just slot 363 00:16:55,287 --> 00:16:57,007 Speaker 3: into a like well, let's just say it's it but 364 00:16:57,087 --> 00:17:01,047 Speaker 3: I think that genuinely you're happier if you think that 365 00:17:01,127 --> 00:17:04,047 Speaker 3: you can find happiness all the time, little bits of 366 00:17:04,087 --> 00:17:07,607 Speaker 3: it like today, tomorrow, next week, but not go I'm 367 00:17:07,687 --> 00:17:09,447 Speaker 3: living in a ship world right now, and it's going 368 00:17:09,487 --> 00:17:11,047 Speaker 3: to be better when when I lose weight, when I 369 00:17:11,047 --> 00:17:12,727 Speaker 3: get that job, when I meet a partner, when I 370 00:17:12,727 --> 00:17:15,247 Speaker 3: buy my house. When that is the thing that keeps 371 00:17:15,287 --> 00:17:18,167 Speaker 3: you unhappy, Yeah, that's interesting. I just don't think that's 372 00:17:18,207 --> 00:17:20,407 Speaker 3: what this survey says to me. I think it's just 373 00:17:20,487 --> 00:17:24,247 Speaker 3: interesting looking at different phases. And of course it's not 374 00:17:24,447 --> 00:17:28,247 Speaker 3: like when you generalize about a decade. I think for 375 00:17:28,327 --> 00:17:31,807 Speaker 3: women particularly, you know who you are more as you 376 00:17:31,847 --> 00:17:35,047 Speaker 3: get older. And I think maybe it's the word happy 377 00:17:35,287 --> 00:17:41,447 Speaker 3: that's tripping you up. If it was like challenging or difficult, 378 00:17:42,607 --> 00:17:44,487 Speaker 3: I don't know, you don't like being put into boxing. 379 00:17:44,687 --> 00:17:48,047 Speaker 3: But I also don't think it's I just think that 380 00:17:48,087 --> 00:17:51,127 Speaker 3: there's too much emphasis on this. As I say that 381 00:17:51,207 --> 00:17:53,327 Speaker 3: happiness is a place you'll get to one day, I 382 00:17:53,327 --> 00:17:53,807 Speaker 3: don't think that. 383 00:17:53,927 --> 00:17:57,287 Speaker 1: And when you think about the next few decades of 384 00:17:57,327 --> 00:18:00,527 Speaker 1: your life, how do you kind of imagine them rolling out? Well, 385 00:18:00,567 --> 00:18:02,287 Speaker 1: when she's thirty seven, she's going to have her big 386 00:18:02,327 --> 00:18:04,127 Speaker 1: house and I'm thirty six. 387 00:18:04,447 --> 00:18:08,727 Speaker 2: My big house and my husband. I genuinely don't know 388 00:18:08,887 --> 00:18:11,127 Speaker 2: my big I guess complex from my age right now 389 00:18:11,287 --> 00:18:14,567 Speaker 2: is because my mom had me when she was twenty eight, 390 00:18:15,087 --> 00:18:17,927 Speaker 2: and I'm the oldest child. And since I was young, 391 00:18:18,567 --> 00:18:22,367 Speaker 2: I've always had especially from early twenties, I've always been like, 392 00:18:22,647 --> 00:18:24,167 Speaker 2: oh my god, do I need a boyfriend? Should I 393 00:18:24,167 --> 00:18:25,887 Speaker 2: get a boyfriend? Now? When do I have kids? And 394 00:18:25,887 --> 00:18:27,927 Speaker 2: my Mom's like, don't worry because I was old for 395 00:18:27,967 --> 00:18:29,887 Speaker 2: my age to have kids. I was only twenty eight 396 00:18:29,927 --> 00:18:32,567 Speaker 2: and now I'm twenty eight, and she's like, stop stressing, 397 00:18:32,567 --> 00:18:35,007 Speaker 2: Like I can feel you stressing. Don't stress, Like, yeah, 398 00:18:35,047 --> 00:18:36,927 Speaker 2: I feel bad now that I sattle. Thirty six is 399 00:18:36,927 --> 00:18:39,687 Speaker 2: too technically kids yet if you want them. But I 400 00:18:39,727 --> 00:18:45,287 Speaker 2: think I was like really looking forward to my forties because. 401 00:18:45,087 --> 00:18:47,887 Speaker 1: I until you read this article, until I've read this article, 402 00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:50,047 Speaker 1: Olly's right, it's made you unhappy. 403 00:18:49,727 --> 00:18:52,767 Speaker 2: Because I loved watching my parents in their forties, Like 404 00:18:52,807 --> 00:18:56,167 Speaker 2: I remember those years so clearly. I remember them just 405 00:18:56,207 --> 00:18:58,767 Speaker 2: having so much fun and surely like they would have 406 00:18:58,767 --> 00:19:01,007 Speaker 2: been so stressed behind the scenes, but me and my 407 00:19:01,047 --> 00:19:03,687 Speaker 2: sister never saw it. And they were just so much fun. 408 00:19:03,807 --> 00:19:05,887 Speaker 2: And I talked about this last week about now I'm 409 00:19:05,927 --> 00:19:09,247 Speaker 2: seeing my parents' age, but in my head when I picked, 410 00:19:09,447 --> 00:19:11,727 Speaker 2: my parents are in their forties, like taking us out, 411 00:19:11,767 --> 00:19:13,247 Speaker 2: going to parks, like having fun. 412 00:19:13,567 --> 00:19:18,527 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I hated my twenties. I'm very happy 413 00:19:18,567 --> 00:19:21,687 Speaker 1: to make generalizations about decades because I like boxes and leaderboards. 414 00:19:23,367 --> 00:19:25,927 Speaker 1: Times I reckon, wait, but that's not what this is. 415 00:19:26,047 --> 00:19:29,767 Speaker 1: This is looking at a decade and generalizing about a decade. 416 00:19:30,007 --> 00:19:32,687 Speaker 1: So for me, I really struggled in my twenties. I 417 00:19:32,727 --> 00:19:34,767 Speaker 1: separated from my husband, lost a baby, didn't know who 418 00:19:34,807 --> 00:19:38,527 Speaker 1: I was, was undiagnosed with all sorts of things. And 419 00:19:39,167 --> 00:19:41,647 Speaker 1: I had a really, really difficult time in my twenties 420 00:19:41,687 --> 00:19:44,127 Speaker 1: for a whole bunch of reasons that I only understood 421 00:19:44,127 --> 00:19:47,167 Speaker 1: once I started going to therapy properly and addressed a 422 00:19:47,207 --> 00:19:49,807 Speaker 1: bunch of things in my late twenties early thirties when 423 00:19:49,847 --> 00:19:53,927 Speaker 1: my life essentially fell apart in my twenties. My thirties 424 00:19:53,967 --> 00:19:57,127 Speaker 1: were about consolidation, a little bit more kind of working 425 00:19:57,127 --> 00:19:59,847 Speaker 1: out who I was, but still all of those big 426 00:19:59,887 --> 00:20:02,847 Speaker 1: decisions like how many kids to have, who's my partner, 427 00:20:02,887 --> 00:20:06,647 Speaker 1: getting back with Jason, not whatever. And then I loved 428 00:20:06,647 --> 00:20:09,647 Speaker 1: my forties. I really did. I've loved my forties and 429 00:20:09,687 --> 00:20:12,407 Speaker 1: I'm loving my fifties. It's interesting and it's going to 430 00:20:12,447 --> 00:20:14,367 Speaker 1: be different for everybody, you know, just in the same 431 00:20:14,367 --> 00:20:17,607 Speaker 1: way that not everybody is the average height or whatever 432 00:20:17,767 --> 00:20:20,727 Speaker 1: the average age. Can you not generalize about any of 433 00:20:20,767 --> 00:20:24,047 Speaker 1: your decades when you kind of look at them as seasons. 434 00:20:24,687 --> 00:20:26,567 Speaker 1: Didn't mean that I hate it every day that I 435 00:20:26,607 --> 00:20:30,007 Speaker 1: was twenty, but just as a decade. I understand the concept. 436 00:20:30,007 --> 00:20:31,367 Speaker 1: It's not that I don't understand the concept. 437 00:20:31,487 --> 00:20:35,287 Speaker 3: I just generally think that it's not helpful because, yeah, 438 00:20:35,527 --> 00:20:38,647 Speaker 3: my twenties, all of that craziness and a lot of 439 00:20:38,647 --> 00:20:40,767 Speaker 3: shit happened to me in my twenties two there were 440 00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:43,727 Speaker 3: also amazing adventures that turn my life in the direction 441 00:20:43,807 --> 00:20:45,967 Speaker 3: that it's gone in. So I could not possibly say 442 00:20:46,927 --> 00:20:48,887 Speaker 3: that I was miserable. I was miserable some of it. 443 00:20:49,487 --> 00:20:49,847 Speaker 1: I don't know. 444 00:20:49,887 --> 00:20:52,687 Speaker 3: I just don't see it that way, And I think 445 00:20:52,727 --> 00:20:56,087 Speaker 3: for me that's helped me because I don't. And aging 446 00:20:56,167 --> 00:20:59,367 Speaker 3: has really changed my view on happiness. I used to 447 00:20:59,367 --> 00:21:01,367 Speaker 3: think much more like that about it, like there's a 448 00:21:01,407 --> 00:21:03,367 Speaker 3: place and I'll get there. And if I make these 449 00:21:03,447 --> 00:21:06,407 Speaker 3: changes in my life, everything will fall into place and 450 00:21:06,447 --> 00:21:09,807 Speaker 3: it will be great. And I think wisdom hards for life. 451 00:21:09,807 --> 00:21:11,567 Speaker 3: Wisdom has taught me that that's not true. 452 00:21:11,847 --> 00:21:15,847 Speaker 2: I get confused on the phrase figuring out who you are. 453 00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:19,367 Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. I don't know what 454 00:21:19,407 --> 00:21:20,527 Speaker 2: that means for me. 455 00:21:20,967 --> 00:21:25,247 Speaker 1: It's about understanding why I like certain things, why I 456 00:21:25,287 --> 00:21:30,607 Speaker 1: respond in certain ways, why I don't feel right in 457 00:21:30,847 --> 00:21:34,407 Speaker 1: certain situations where other people seem to feel right to me. 458 00:21:34,527 --> 00:21:38,567 Speaker 1: It's about undoing the shoulds, the shoulds of life, and 459 00:21:38,607 --> 00:21:43,127 Speaker 1: that's definitely something that makes you happier. Yeah, it's going, oh, 460 00:21:43,247 --> 00:21:47,527 Speaker 1: everyone likes parties. I don't like parties. It's not because 461 00:21:47,527 --> 00:21:52,207 Speaker 1: I'm broken or because I'm abnormal. It's because that drains 462 00:21:52,247 --> 00:21:55,207 Speaker 1: my battery. And I understand and then going, oh, what 463 00:21:55,327 --> 00:22:00,007 Speaker 1: feels my battery and learning about that. And maybe you 464 00:22:00,367 --> 00:22:03,007 Speaker 1: can do that at any age, but there's a certain 465 00:22:03,007 --> 00:22:06,527 Speaker 1: amount of you just need life experience to be able 466 00:22:06,567 --> 00:22:09,287 Speaker 1: to look in the review mirror and understand yourself a 467 00:22:09,287 --> 00:22:10,807 Speaker 1: little bit better. Does that make sense? 468 00:22:10,847 --> 00:22:13,087 Speaker 2: I think that's why I'm not enjoying my twenties, because 469 00:22:13,087 --> 00:22:15,447 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm still at that age where I 470 00:22:15,487 --> 00:22:18,287 Speaker 2: still have to do things that I don't necessarily want 471 00:22:18,327 --> 00:22:19,487 Speaker 2: to do, like I still. 472 00:22:19,287 --> 00:22:24,527 Speaker 1: Have sticking around for a long time. But if you've 473 00:22:24,567 --> 00:22:27,167 Speaker 1: worked out what you do and don't like, you know, 474 00:22:27,367 --> 00:22:30,527 Speaker 1: or how you respond or you know. Sometimes it can 475 00:22:30,567 --> 00:22:32,887 Speaker 1: be about the romantic partners that you choose. Sometimes it 476 00:22:32,887 --> 00:22:34,927 Speaker 1: can be about patterns you're in with friends or with 477 00:22:35,447 --> 00:22:37,287 Speaker 1: you know. It took me a long time, for example, 478 00:22:37,327 --> 00:22:42,127 Speaker 1: to work out that I fall in love with people friendships, 479 00:22:42,167 --> 00:22:46,607 Speaker 1: and I'm a fast starter, and then I'm like, oh 480 00:22:46,647 --> 00:22:48,287 Speaker 1: and so god. I had to do that a lot 481 00:22:48,327 --> 00:22:51,847 Speaker 1: of times to work out, Hey, maybe don't come on 482 00:22:52,007 --> 00:22:55,407 Speaker 1: so strong so fast, Maybe just sit back a little bit. 483 00:22:55,407 --> 00:22:59,047 Speaker 1: That's just one example. And not traveling, I kept thinking 484 00:22:59,087 --> 00:23:01,567 Speaker 1: if I travel more, I like it more. Everyone else 485 00:23:01,647 --> 00:23:05,687 Speaker 1: likes travel. I don't like travel, and I've unpacked all 486 00:23:05,687 --> 00:23:08,407 Speaker 1: the reasons why I don't like travel. So I guess 487 00:23:08,487 --> 00:23:11,367 Speaker 1: knowing myself better is judging myself less. 488 00:23:11,847 --> 00:23:15,007 Speaker 2: After the break, Mia is about to go rogue with 489 00:23:15,127 --> 00:23:16,487 Speaker 2: her recommendation. 490 00:23:23,327 --> 00:23:23,927 Speaker 1: Hell out. 491 00:23:26,847 --> 00:23:29,007 Speaker 2: So we love giving our recos as much as you 492 00:23:29,087 --> 00:23:32,127 Speaker 2: love hearing them, So settle in. Because Mia has a 493 00:23:32,207 --> 00:23:34,527 Speaker 2: reco blockage which needs I'm plugging. 494 00:23:34,527 --> 00:23:38,087 Speaker 1: That is so gross. Visually, Yeah, I've got reco constipation 495 00:23:38,087 --> 00:23:39,927 Speaker 1: because I haven't been on a Friday show for a 496 00:23:39,927 --> 00:23:42,567 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Oh so I'm backed up. 497 00:23:42,727 --> 00:23:44,607 Speaker 2: But we're gonna keep you hanging because I'm gonna make. 498 00:23:44,487 --> 00:23:47,367 Speaker 1: You go last. Okay a visual of that ole you're up. 499 00:23:47,487 --> 00:23:49,807 Speaker 3: My recommendation is a self help book, which is very 500 00:23:49,887 --> 00:23:52,327 Speaker 3: unlike me, because I hate self help books. Happily, this 501 00:23:52,407 --> 00:23:54,927 Speaker 3: is a self help book written by someone who also 502 00:23:55,087 --> 00:23:56,367 Speaker 3: hates self help books. 503 00:23:56,367 --> 00:23:58,007 Speaker 1: Perfect for you exactly. 504 00:23:58,327 --> 00:24:01,087 Speaker 3: He's called Oliver Berkman, and if you know about these things, 505 00:24:01,127 --> 00:24:03,927 Speaker 3: he was a Guardian columnist for years and he write 506 00:24:03,927 --> 00:24:06,847 Speaker 3: these columns about self development, but from very much this 507 00:24:07,127 --> 00:24:11,127 Speaker 3: like raised eyebrow, this is all perspective. And then he 508 00:24:11,167 --> 00:24:13,367 Speaker 3: wrote a book that became a massive bestseller called four 509 00:24:13,407 --> 00:24:15,207 Speaker 3: Thousand Hours, and he got interviewed everywhere. 510 00:24:15,207 --> 00:24:15,767 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. 511 00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:18,447 Speaker 3: Anyway, it's new book. It's called Meditation for Mortals. And 512 00:24:18,487 --> 00:24:21,407 Speaker 3: the reason I picked up this book that I would 513 00:24:21,447 --> 00:24:23,807 Speaker 3: formally hate is because, as regular out loud as would know, 514 00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:25,447 Speaker 3: I'm trying to learn how to meditate. 515 00:24:25,527 --> 00:24:26,247 Speaker 1: It's not going well. 516 00:24:26,287 --> 00:24:29,847 Speaker 3: Maybe I should just accept as the previous segment and 517 00:24:29,887 --> 00:24:32,087 Speaker 3: me are saying, get to know yourself. Maybe I should 518 00:24:32,087 --> 00:24:34,927 Speaker 3: just accept it's not for me, but I'm trying hard anyway. 519 00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:37,207 Speaker 3: It's like a little course the way it's been designed, 520 00:24:37,207 --> 00:24:39,887 Speaker 3: as you read a chapter every day or listen. I'm listening, 521 00:24:40,087 --> 00:24:42,047 Speaker 3: so like the first five minutes of my walk in 522 00:24:42,087 --> 00:24:44,967 Speaker 3: the morning, I listen to one, and it's like little 523 00:24:44,967 --> 00:24:47,607 Speaker 3: insights into basically recognizing. 524 00:24:47,127 --> 00:24:49,367 Speaker 1: Even bits of wisdom, yeah. 525 00:24:48,967 --> 00:24:51,847 Speaker 3: And like little bits of kind of instead of thinking 526 00:24:51,887 --> 00:24:56,007 Speaker 3: that one day you're going to finally become this productive, 527 00:24:56,167 --> 00:25:00,767 Speaker 3: incredibly sorted out, like infinite person who can write a 528 00:25:00,807 --> 00:25:03,927 Speaker 3: book and make dinners from scratch and keep everybody happy 529 00:25:03,967 --> 00:25:06,887 Speaker 3: all the time and do it like maybe just chill 530 00:25:06,927 --> 00:25:07,327 Speaker 3: out a bit. 531 00:25:07,407 --> 00:25:10,487 Speaker 1: So it's like kind of gener therapy in a way. 532 00:25:10,607 --> 00:25:13,567 Speaker 3: It kind of is, but it's like little insights and 533 00:25:13,607 --> 00:25:15,327 Speaker 3: life lessons. So one of the things that I found 534 00:25:15,367 --> 00:25:17,807 Speaker 3: helpful the other day was this thing about you keep 535 00:25:17,807 --> 00:25:19,647 Speaker 3: a to do list, but you should also always keep 536 00:25:19,647 --> 00:25:21,807 Speaker 3: a done list, because your to do list never ends, 537 00:25:21,807 --> 00:25:23,847 Speaker 3: and sometimes you need to remind yourself. 538 00:25:23,527 --> 00:25:26,247 Speaker 1: That, look, I did actually do all that shit, and 539 00:25:26,327 --> 00:25:26,887 Speaker 1: things like. 540 00:25:26,847 --> 00:25:29,207 Speaker 3: I was talking to you Earliermir about like he's saying, 541 00:25:29,647 --> 00:25:32,647 Speaker 3: when you feel really trapped in any situation, remember that 542 00:25:32,687 --> 00:25:35,447 Speaker 3: you do have the freedom to change it, but you 543 00:25:35,527 --> 00:25:37,687 Speaker 3: have to work out whether the consequences are worth it. 544 00:25:37,767 --> 00:25:41,087 Speaker 1: Oh I like these so anyway, it's not like me. 545 00:25:41,167 --> 00:25:44,527 Speaker 3: But you know, I'm trying to grow, and I'm only 546 00:25:44,647 --> 00:25:47,447 Speaker 3: up to about week seven. So I'll report back just 547 00:25:47,487 --> 00:25:50,167 Speaker 3: to torture you all on whether or not I ever learn. 548 00:25:50,367 --> 00:25:53,247 Speaker 1: I think it's twenty eight. Sorry, every day for twenty 549 00:25:53,327 --> 00:25:55,847 Speaker 1: eight Oh no, no, no, sorry, there's four weeks. So 550 00:25:55,887 --> 00:25:59,287 Speaker 1: how many days are there than four weeks? Thirty ish? Yeah. 551 00:26:00,367 --> 00:26:02,287 Speaker 3: The idea is is if you read or listen to 552 00:26:02,287 --> 00:26:04,207 Speaker 3: a chapter every day. Yeah, can't you tell them better? 553 00:26:04,247 --> 00:26:07,767 Speaker 1: Person? Already it's going really well. It's called Meditation for 554 00:26:07,967 --> 00:26:09,207 Speaker 1: Mortals by Oliver Burk. 555 00:26:09,367 --> 00:26:13,367 Speaker 2: Okay, my turn. So I'm recommending a product today. It's 556 00:26:13,407 --> 00:26:17,967 Speaker 2: called the vs Ssoon Unbound Cord and Cordless Curler. So 557 00:26:18,247 --> 00:26:21,807 Speaker 2: I went to a hair event recently, and I'm not 558 00:26:21,847 --> 00:26:23,967 Speaker 2: a hair person just because I have a lot of hair. 559 00:26:24,007 --> 00:26:25,247 Speaker 1: It's the hair. 560 00:26:25,287 --> 00:26:27,367 Speaker 2: It takes me at least one whole hour to do 561 00:26:27,447 --> 00:26:29,727 Speaker 2: my hair, even like straightening it. It's a lot and 562 00:26:29,807 --> 00:26:30,287 Speaker 2: drying it. 563 00:26:30,407 --> 00:26:31,367 Speaker 1: You've got beautiful. 564 00:26:31,407 --> 00:26:33,327 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I think you can either be 565 00:26:33,367 --> 00:26:35,087 Speaker 2: a makeup person or a hair person. You don't have 566 00:26:35,087 --> 00:26:35,447 Speaker 2: to be both. 567 00:26:35,527 --> 00:26:36,967 Speaker 1: Remember when it was blue your hair. 568 00:26:36,847 --> 00:26:37,967 Speaker 2: That was what I was going through a breakup, so 569 00:26:37,967 --> 00:26:38,447 Speaker 2: I don't want to talk. 570 00:26:38,687 --> 00:26:41,447 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, break up, but it was good. 571 00:26:41,647 --> 00:26:45,287 Speaker 2: They showed me this curler that like, it's not like 572 00:26:45,327 --> 00:26:48,007 Speaker 2: the traditional curls where you curl your hair around or 573 00:26:48,007 --> 00:26:51,007 Speaker 2: like those big wand things it sucks your hair in 574 00:26:51,607 --> 00:26:54,167 Speaker 2: and then spits it out or dies one of those. 575 00:26:54,327 --> 00:26:55,687 Speaker 2: And it's like a curl and it's so light and 576 00:26:55,687 --> 00:26:58,447 Speaker 2: it's cordless, so you can charge it overnight and keep 577 00:26:58,487 --> 00:27:00,567 Speaker 2: in your handbag or your car. And you choose like 578 00:27:00,567 --> 00:27:02,967 Speaker 2: the heat temperature, You choose which direction you want the 579 00:27:03,007 --> 00:27:05,167 Speaker 2: curl to go in, and you can choose how curly you. 580 00:27:05,167 --> 00:27:08,287 Speaker 1: Want to Does it leave you with like beechy waves. 581 00:27:07,887 --> 00:27:10,927 Speaker 2: Or there's four options. Can I choose on the actual device, 582 00:27:10,967 --> 00:27:12,447 Speaker 2: like if you want just a wave or like a 583 00:27:12,487 --> 00:27:14,407 Speaker 2: tight curl. I always go tight curl because my hair 584 00:27:14,447 --> 00:27:18,767 Speaker 2: is so thick that it drops, but also the it 585 00:27:18,887 --> 00:27:19,567 Speaker 2: like keeps. 586 00:27:19,327 --> 00:27:19,847 Speaker 1: It in there. 587 00:27:19,887 --> 00:27:21,887 Speaker 2: And it took me ten minutes to do my hair 588 00:27:22,167 --> 00:27:26,247 Speaker 2: isn't that insane? Normally ten hour, it takes an hour. 589 00:27:26,087 --> 00:27:29,047 Speaker 1: To Oh, that's very good. Is it expensive? There are 590 00:27:29,087 --> 00:27:32,727 Speaker 1: so many amazing new hair tools on the market. Some 591 00:27:32,767 --> 00:27:34,287 Speaker 1: of them are incredibly expensive. 592 00:27:34,327 --> 00:27:37,727 Speaker 2: It's around one hundred and fifty I think, which is expensive, 593 00:27:37,847 --> 00:27:38,327 Speaker 2: but not the. 594 00:27:40,087 --> 00:27:43,967 Speaker 1: Dollars. Yeah, okay, that's awesome. So I've got a few. 595 00:27:45,087 --> 00:27:48,247 Speaker 1: I've had my fiber. I'm ready to release my recommendations 596 00:27:48,247 --> 00:27:50,967 Speaker 1: into the world. The first thing I want to recommend 597 00:27:50,967 --> 00:27:52,567 Speaker 1: is a book that was out this week that I've 598 00:27:52,607 --> 00:27:55,687 Speaker 1: wanted to tell out louders about for a while. It's 599 00:27:55,727 --> 00:27:58,727 Speaker 1: called Out of the Box and it is subtitled A 600 00:27:58,767 --> 00:28:02,527 Speaker 1: one Stop Guide to Navigating Neurodivergence. It's by Rebecca Sparrow 601 00:28:02,887 --> 00:28:07,247 Speaker 1: and Madonna King. They both live up in Brisbane. Madonna 602 00:28:07,327 --> 00:28:10,407 Speaker 1: King is a terrific journalist and written many many books 603 00:28:10,487 --> 00:28:13,687 Speaker 1: about parenting and other things. Beck's Barrow, friend of the Pod, 604 00:28:13,967 --> 00:28:19,847 Speaker 1: absolute gun expert on teenagers and tweens. But this book 605 00:28:20,007 --> 00:28:21,647 Speaker 1: is so good. I know that there are a lot 606 00:28:21,687 --> 00:28:24,647 Speaker 1: of out louders who have kids of all different ages 607 00:28:24,767 --> 00:28:27,847 Speaker 1: who are neurodivergent, so that might mean that they are 608 00:28:28,087 --> 00:28:31,567 Speaker 1: on the autism spectrum. Or they have. Adhd Madonna and 609 00:28:31,607 --> 00:28:35,887 Speaker 1: Beck surveyed and interviewed almost two thousand Australians in including 610 00:28:36,007 --> 00:28:39,647 Speaker 1: like experts and educators and children and their parents, and 611 00:28:40,287 --> 00:28:45,207 Speaker 1: they gathered all the most useful tips to help support 612 00:28:45,407 --> 00:28:48,447 Speaker 1: these kids and not just when they're little, but also 613 00:28:48,607 --> 00:28:51,607 Speaker 1: like when they're learning to drive and when they're you know, 614 00:28:51,727 --> 00:28:54,367 Speaker 1: maybe moving out of home and finding friends. 615 00:28:54,447 --> 00:28:56,687 Speaker 3: And there's a lot about schools too, and how it 616 00:28:56,767 --> 00:28:58,647 Speaker 3: is how fast to deal with education when. 617 00:28:58,527 --> 00:29:02,407 Speaker 1: Your kid doesn't fit the box exactly exactly, and Beck 618 00:29:02,447 --> 00:29:06,607 Speaker 1: has a neurodivergent child, and it's even stuff about applying 619 00:29:06,607 --> 00:29:10,327 Speaker 1: for jobs and insights from teachers and it's just such 620 00:29:10,367 --> 00:29:12,527 Speaker 1: a great book. It's a terrific handbook if you've got 621 00:29:12,527 --> 00:29:16,567 Speaker 1: someone who is living with someone who's neurodiversent, it's a 622 00:29:16,607 --> 00:29:20,887 Speaker 1: great gift. Highly recommend it. Some of my other recommendations. 623 00:29:21,767 --> 00:29:24,847 Speaker 1: I have read a book by someone we all love 624 00:29:24,887 --> 00:29:28,767 Speaker 1: on the show, Taffy Brodessa Akner. She is one of 625 00:29:28,807 --> 00:29:31,887 Speaker 1: the best profile writers in the world. She works for 626 00:29:31,927 --> 00:29:34,287 Speaker 1: The New York Times. She wrote a book called Fleischman 627 00:29:34,367 --> 00:29:37,167 Speaker 1: Is in Trouble, which was made into a TV series, 628 00:29:37,367 --> 00:29:40,087 Speaker 1: and her next novel is called Long Island Compromise, and 629 00:29:40,167 --> 00:29:44,367 Speaker 1: it is about a very wealthy family, three generations of 630 00:29:44,367 --> 00:29:47,847 Speaker 1: that family, and the impact it has when the father 631 00:29:48,127 --> 00:29:51,167 Speaker 1: is kidnapped for a period of time and then returned. 632 00:29:51,647 --> 00:29:54,247 Speaker 1: And it's not a thriller. That actually happens early on 633 00:29:54,287 --> 00:29:56,807 Speaker 1: and he's returned. It's not like a mystery or a thriller. 634 00:29:57,087 --> 00:30:00,007 Speaker 1: If she was not a woman, she would be being 635 00:30:00,127 --> 00:30:04,727 Speaker 1: compared to Jonathan Fransen, who is this great American author 636 00:30:04,767 --> 00:30:09,367 Speaker 1: who writes generational novels. She's amazing, She is incredible. That's 637 00:30:09,367 --> 00:30:12,447 Speaker 1: excellently actually a good book. I love her writing. Yeah, 638 00:30:12,487 --> 00:30:14,527 Speaker 1: I just loved reading this book. So I read that 639 00:30:14,767 --> 00:30:17,807 Speaker 1: on my kindle. Long Island Compromise a book that I 640 00:30:17,887 --> 00:30:21,767 Speaker 1: listened to that I cannot talk about enough or recommend enough. 641 00:30:22,567 --> 00:30:26,727 Speaker 1: It's Lisa Marie Presley's memoir and it's the audio book 642 00:30:26,807 --> 00:30:29,567 Speaker 1: and the reason Lisa Marie Presley, of course, daughter only 643 00:30:29,687 --> 00:30:33,447 Speaker 1: child and daughter of Elvis Presley, mother of Riley Keo 644 00:30:33,967 --> 00:30:36,327 Speaker 1: who this bit's important. She's an actor. She was in 645 00:30:36,407 --> 00:30:40,607 Speaker 1: Daisy in the sixth she wrote or she started to 646 00:30:40,687 --> 00:30:44,047 Speaker 1: write a memoir and she died last year of a 647 00:30:44,127 --> 00:30:48,767 Speaker 1: cardiac arrest in her fifties and she had started work 648 00:30:48,767 --> 00:30:51,167 Speaker 1: on this memoir. She'd recorded some voice notes, she'd done 649 00:30:51,207 --> 00:30:55,327 Speaker 1: some interviews, and there were recordings of those. This memoir 650 00:30:55,327 --> 00:30:58,007 Speaker 1: has been finished by her daughter, Riley, who, after her 651 00:30:58,087 --> 00:31:01,607 Speaker 1: mother's sudden death, came upon all of this work and 652 00:31:01,967 --> 00:31:03,327 Speaker 1: had to think about am I going to put it 653 00:31:03,367 --> 00:31:06,847 Speaker 1: out in the world. The narrator who does Lisa Marie's 654 00:31:06,927 --> 00:31:11,327 Speaker 1: voice is Julia Roberts, and there are also some of 655 00:31:11,367 --> 00:31:14,087 Speaker 1: the recordings of Lisa Marie's actual voice. 656 00:31:14,207 --> 00:31:14,887 Speaker 2: Is it emotional? 657 00:31:15,367 --> 00:31:19,527 Speaker 1: Yes? And then Riley weaves her story through as well, 658 00:31:19,567 --> 00:31:23,767 Speaker 1: like her experience of her mum, And it's an incredible story. 659 00:31:23,847 --> 00:31:27,767 Speaker 1: Like Riley's brother took his own life a couple of 660 00:31:27,847 --> 00:31:32,887 Speaker 1: years before Lisa Marie died, she married Michael Jackson. It's amazing, 661 00:31:33,047 --> 00:31:35,447 Speaker 1: it's all that in there. Yes, it's all in there, 662 00:31:35,647 --> 00:31:40,527 Speaker 1: opective from Riley's perspective, and then having Julia Roberts narrator, 663 00:31:40,607 --> 00:31:43,407 Speaker 1: it's just it's an absolute I won't say a delight, 664 00:31:43,487 --> 00:31:46,287 Speaker 1: but it is an extraordinary thing to listen to. And 665 00:31:46,327 --> 00:31:49,687 Speaker 1: then the last thing I wanted to recommend is a 666 00:31:49,727 --> 00:31:53,167 Speaker 1: small business brand that makes toys. She's an out louder. 667 00:31:53,287 --> 00:31:56,647 Speaker 1: She sent some toys from her brand called Freckled Frog. 668 00:31:57,167 --> 00:31:59,447 Speaker 1: They're these wooden toys, Like there's a lot you know 669 00:31:59,487 --> 00:32:01,167 Speaker 1: that when you've got little kids, and I'd forgotten this 670 00:32:01,327 --> 00:32:05,207 Speaker 1: now having Luna, your house is just full of plastic shit, yeah, 671 00:32:05,247 --> 00:32:08,927 Speaker 1: brightly colored plastic. And these are so beautiful. There are 672 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,727 Speaker 1: all the wooden toys, Like there's this set that I've 673 00:32:11,727 --> 00:32:14,207 Speaker 1: got that are just all these different people and there 674 00:32:14,207 --> 00:32:17,287 Speaker 1: are different people of all ages, and there's like people 675 00:32:17,647 --> 00:32:20,967 Speaker 1: using wheelchairs and you know, old people, young people, babies, 676 00:32:20,967 --> 00:32:22,647 Speaker 1: and like it's for imaginative play. 677 00:32:22,887 --> 00:32:24,127 Speaker 2: Are they still like colorfuls? 678 00:32:24,447 --> 00:32:26,727 Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, no they're great. No, no, no, they're great 679 00:32:27,087 --> 00:32:29,647 Speaker 1: and just so interesting and learners at this age now 680 00:32:29,647 --> 00:32:32,567 Speaker 1: where she likes sort of little objects and sorting things. 681 00:32:32,807 --> 00:32:35,047 Speaker 1: But they're the kinds of toys that are nice to 682 00:32:35,087 --> 00:32:38,087 Speaker 1: have around. They did play with them as well. Totally 683 00:32:38,127 --> 00:32:41,127 Speaker 1: does after the break our Best and Worst of the Week, 684 00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:46,687 Speaker 1: which include a vibrator ring one unlimited out loud access. 685 00:32:46,887 --> 00:32:50,887 Speaker 3: We drop episodes every Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Mamma 686 00:32:50,967 --> 00:32:51,887 Speaker 3: Mere subscribers. 687 00:32:52,207 --> 00:32:53,767 Speaker 1: Follow the link at the show notes. 688 00:32:53,567 --> 00:32:55,807 Speaker 3: To get us in your ears five days a week, 689 00:32:56,087 --> 00:33:09,767 Speaker 3: and a huge thank you to all our current subscribers. 690 00:33:11,327 --> 00:33:13,287 Speaker 1: It's time for our Best and Worst of the Week, 691 00:33:13,327 --> 00:33:16,487 Speaker 1: where we tell you about the highs and lows of 692 00:33:16,527 --> 00:33:19,967 Speaker 1: our week. The rules are, it can be superficial, it 693 00:33:19,967 --> 00:33:21,447 Speaker 1: can be a big thing, it can be a small thing. 694 00:33:21,767 --> 00:33:25,727 Speaker 1: There's no rules here, there is no judgment whole. What's 695 00:33:25,767 --> 00:33:28,487 Speaker 1: your worst of the week. My friend Gwyneth is in 696 00:33:28,487 --> 00:33:32,727 Speaker 1: trouble and it's making me sad. Oh dear, No. The 697 00:33:32,767 --> 00:33:35,287 Speaker 1: relish with which people are reporting that Goop has laid 698 00:33:35,327 --> 00:33:37,207 Speaker 1: off eighteen percent of its workforce. 699 00:33:37,567 --> 00:33:38,087 Speaker 2: That's big. 700 00:33:38,367 --> 00:33:40,207 Speaker 3: Well, it's not really well, I mean, I mean as 701 00:33:40,207 --> 00:33:43,207 Speaker 3: a business person, she's missive, But what I mean is like, 702 00:33:43,287 --> 00:33:43,567 Speaker 3: I know. 703 00:33:43,567 --> 00:33:44,127 Speaker 1: It is massive. 704 00:33:44,167 --> 00:33:47,447 Speaker 3: And they're also talking about their slow downs, but obviously 705 00:33:47,487 --> 00:33:51,007 Speaker 3: the spin from their side is like, we're just reprioritizing 706 00:33:51,207 --> 00:33:53,767 Speaker 3: Hyah decode that businesses are doing it really tough. 707 00:33:53,847 --> 00:33:56,367 Speaker 1: Retailer is doing it really tough. And she is an 708 00:33:56,407 --> 00:34:01,407 Speaker 1: online retailer. She sells vibrators and fancy creams and clothes 709 00:34:01,687 --> 00:34:06,807 Speaker 1: and interestingly, she has never appointed a CEO. She stayed 710 00:34:06,807 --> 00:34:10,327 Speaker 1: as CEO. Trinny would always done the same with her company. 711 00:34:10,567 --> 00:34:12,887 Speaker 1: I have never been the CEO because I know I'd 712 00:34:12,887 --> 00:34:15,727 Speaker 1: be a terrible CEO. I think that often founders aren't 713 00:34:15,847 --> 00:34:18,007 Speaker 1: the best CEOs for their companies once they get to 714 00:34:18,047 --> 00:34:20,727 Speaker 1: a certain size. I'm not saying that about Trinny, but 715 00:34:21,087 --> 00:34:26,407 Speaker 1: perhaps Gwyneth isn't. And you know, they were doing a 716 00:34:26,447 --> 00:34:29,287 Speaker 1: lot of those these candle smells like my vagina and 717 00:34:29,327 --> 00:34:32,447 Speaker 1: all those like shock things. Gets what's of coverage? But 718 00:34:32,527 --> 00:34:35,247 Speaker 1: it's clearly not translat Yeah, here's the thing. 719 00:34:35,367 --> 00:34:37,647 Speaker 3: So the reason I was I've made it my worst 720 00:34:37,767 --> 00:34:39,607 Speaker 3: is because it's also the time of year when the 721 00:34:39,647 --> 00:34:41,847 Speaker 3: Goop Gift Guide comes out, and it's one of my 722 00:34:42,367 --> 00:34:46,167 Speaker 3: absolute delights to go and peruse that gift guide, right, 723 00:34:46,767 --> 00:34:49,247 Speaker 3: because how would I survive if I didn't know about 724 00:34:49,247 --> 00:34:51,047 Speaker 3: the two hundred and fifty dollars vibrator ring? 725 00:34:51,287 --> 00:34:53,167 Speaker 1: Yeah, or abra ring. 726 00:34:53,407 --> 00:34:56,287 Speaker 3: It's literally like a ring, like a ring on your finger, 727 00:34:56,767 --> 00:34:59,247 Speaker 3: but it has you'd like it. Actually, it has like 728 00:34:59,247 --> 00:35:02,007 Speaker 3: a big gold bullet thing on it that doubles as 729 00:35:02,007 --> 00:35:02,647 Speaker 3: a vibrator. 730 00:35:02,847 --> 00:35:05,207 Speaker 1: Oh that's so clear. Yeah, I know. Right, So if 731 00:35:05,207 --> 00:35:08,127 Speaker 1: a meeting gets boring all this podcast, I was like, 732 00:35:08,127 --> 00:35:11,487 Speaker 1: what's that sound? I saw myself? That's going off? 733 00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:14,567 Speaker 3: Not you know, reacting with the technology anyway, or six 734 00:35:14,687 --> 00:35:18,807 Speaker 3: hundred and thirty dollars cavea or body balance magnets. It 735 00:35:18,967 --> 00:35:21,207 Speaker 3: is my pleasure, right I like scrolling through all her 736 00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:23,847 Speaker 3: like plain black pole and necks that inexplicably cost. 737 00:35:23,767 --> 00:35:26,127 Speaker 1: Like howels dollars you never buy any And. 738 00:35:26,047 --> 00:35:29,207 Speaker 3: That's my point, right, is that I was thinking, like, oh, 739 00:35:29,367 --> 00:35:34,127 Speaker 3: that rainbow yoga matt for two grand. Actually that I 740 00:35:34,207 --> 00:35:36,007 Speaker 3: was like, but maybe I'm part of the problem because 741 00:35:36,007 --> 00:35:38,647 Speaker 3: I've never even won sport anything from the group Guard, 742 00:35:38,687 --> 00:35:40,207 Speaker 3: and yet I love looking at it. 743 00:35:40,287 --> 00:35:42,567 Speaker 1: I actually don't think that's the problem whole. As much 744 00:35:42,607 --> 00:35:44,487 Speaker 1: as I don't want you to blame yourself for this, 745 00:35:45,007 --> 00:35:47,247 Speaker 1: I actually think, having read quite a bit about this, 746 00:35:47,327 --> 00:35:49,887 Speaker 1: and business is hard, man, you know, no shade on Gwyneth. 747 00:35:49,927 --> 00:35:54,607 Speaker 1: Business is really hard. They expanded into good Clean Goop, 748 00:35:54,687 --> 00:35:57,727 Speaker 1: which was like a discount line of Goop for Target, 749 00:35:58,407 --> 00:36:02,447 Speaker 1: and it hasn't worked so funnily enough, people aren't that 750 00:36:02,607 --> 00:36:05,287 Speaker 1: interested in buying a sort of a mid priced Goop 751 00:36:05,367 --> 00:36:10,247 Speaker 1: product in Target. So perhaps she tried to expand in 752 00:36:10,287 --> 00:36:12,687 Speaker 1: a direction and she should have gone more high end. 753 00:36:13,047 --> 00:36:16,927 Speaker 1: She should have done like a thousand dollars fancy vibrator 754 00:36:17,007 --> 00:36:20,007 Speaker 1: ring that's like platinum plated, and that might have been better. 755 00:36:20,007 --> 00:36:22,527 Speaker 1: Who knows. I'm not a retail I'm sure she has 756 00:36:22,567 --> 00:36:22,927 Speaker 1: one of them. 757 00:36:22,967 --> 00:36:24,047 Speaker 2: So really sad about. 758 00:36:23,887 --> 00:36:25,487 Speaker 1: Thoughts and prayers. Yes, it's my worst. 759 00:36:25,487 --> 00:36:28,327 Speaker 3: I'm pouring one out for Gwyneth, Like, seriously, what can 760 00:36:28,367 --> 00:36:29,807 Speaker 3: you do if you haven't got the Goop Guide in 761 00:36:29,847 --> 00:36:32,407 Speaker 3: your back pocket? My best is reversing my car into 762 00:36:32,407 --> 00:36:35,407 Speaker 3: a tree, which I know that sounds a twist. 763 00:36:35,447 --> 00:36:36,847 Speaker 1: I didn't say coming for your best. 764 00:36:37,407 --> 00:36:40,807 Speaker 3: So last weekend in Berry it was the Rider's Festival. 765 00:36:40,847 --> 00:36:42,407 Speaker 3: I don't live in Bury, but I live near Berry. 766 00:36:42,927 --> 00:36:45,767 Speaker 3: Jesse came down, lots of wonderful riders came down. 767 00:36:45,847 --> 00:36:46,687 Speaker 1: It was great fun. 768 00:36:46,927 --> 00:36:50,127 Speaker 3: But I had a very busy weekend like doing sessions, 769 00:36:50,127 --> 00:36:52,727 Speaker 3: seeing sessions, doing stuff, helping out a little bit. 770 00:36:52,647 --> 00:36:53,047 Speaker 1: Not really. 771 00:36:53,367 --> 00:36:56,367 Speaker 3: And I was also obviously being a taxi driver for 772 00:36:56,407 --> 00:36:58,767 Speaker 3: my teenage order, because that's all you are, right at 773 00:36:58,767 --> 00:36:59,887 Speaker 3: some point in your life. 774 00:37:00,007 --> 00:37:01,447 Speaker 2: Best decade, So yeah. 775 00:37:01,247 --> 00:37:02,807 Speaker 1: It's the best decade driving. 776 00:37:03,327 --> 00:37:05,527 Speaker 3: I went to pick up one of her friends from 777 00:37:05,607 --> 00:37:08,207 Speaker 3: a place and I immediately reversed my car into a tree, 778 00:37:08,207 --> 00:37:10,487 Speaker 3: which was very annoying. Will cost us some money to fix. 779 00:37:10,487 --> 00:37:12,207 Speaker 3: But the reason it ended up being the best is 780 00:37:12,247 --> 00:37:14,567 Speaker 3: that we have two cars, and the other car is 781 00:37:14,567 --> 00:37:17,927 Speaker 3: an absolute ship box, like I'm not even joking it. 782 00:37:17,927 --> 00:37:21,487 Speaker 3: It has wind down windows like manual wind down windows. 783 00:37:21,927 --> 00:37:24,647 Speaker 3: You can't connect your phone to the stereo. Last time 784 00:37:24,687 --> 00:37:26,527 Speaker 3: I was in it and I tried to adjust the mirror, 785 00:37:26,527 --> 00:37:28,967 Speaker 3: it came off in my hand, like it's a shit box. 786 00:37:30,127 --> 00:37:32,847 Speaker 3: And on Sunday night, after I'd just reversed the carrent 787 00:37:32,847 --> 00:37:34,407 Speaker 3: to a tree, my friend who was one of the 788 00:37:34,487 --> 00:37:36,647 Speaker 3: organizers of the festival, so can you give this rider 789 00:37:36,687 --> 00:37:39,007 Speaker 3: a lift back to Sydney on Monday morning? I was like, sure, 790 00:37:39,127 --> 00:37:41,487 Speaker 3: I can, And then I realized I was going to 791 00:37:41,527 --> 00:37:44,007 Speaker 3: have to drive them in the shipbox car. Not only that, 792 00:37:44,047 --> 00:37:46,047 Speaker 3: but Brent had transported a whole lot of waste from 793 00:37:46,047 --> 00:37:48,447 Speaker 3: the garden in the shipbox car, so the shipbox car 794 00:37:48,487 --> 00:37:53,647 Speaker 3: had spiders and hay fever, allergen things. The reason this 795 00:37:53,727 --> 00:37:55,847 Speaker 3: all ended up being my best is because that two 796 00:37:55,887 --> 00:37:59,127 Speaker 3: hour drive in the hilarious car with no podcasts and 797 00:37:59,167 --> 00:38:01,847 Speaker 3: no music, but a very good conversation. 798 00:38:01,487 --> 00:38:02,287 Speaker 1: With this person. 799 00:38:02,687 --> 00:38:04,607 Speaker 3: It was actually like it was one of those things 800 00:38:04,647 --> 00:38:07,927 Speaker 3: where a comedy of errors ended up giving you a present? 801 00:38:08,087 --> 00:38:10,247 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Every now and and that happens, right, 802 00:38:11,687 --> 00:38:14,927 Speaker 1: what's yours? My worst is that the other day I 803 00:38:15,087 --> 00:38:17,167 Speaker 1: put on my shower cap and I still do you 804 00:38:17,207 --> 00:38:19,847 Speaker 1: have a shower cap? That's so well? I don't understand 805 00:38:19,927 --> 00:38:22,927 Speaker 1: no one has a shower for me. You two have 806 00:38:23,367 --> 00:38:27,007 Speaker 1: so much hair. I don't understand how you have showers 807 00:38:27,007 --> 00:38:31,247 Speaker 1: with and you tie your hair back, but why would 808 00:38:31,327 --> 00:38:33,367 Speaker 1: you want to when you can have a shower cap. 809 00:38:33,407 --> 00:38:35,047 Speaker 2: I don't like the noise that it makes, and I 810 00:38:35,047 --> 00:38:37,127 Speaker 2: don't know why I keep it without it going slimy 811 00:38:37,687 --> 00:38:39,767 Speaker 2: and it kind of smells a bit your towel hook. 812 00:38:39,847 --> 00:38:43,127 Speaker 1: But also I don't have my ears in it. I 813 00:38:43,167 --> 00:38:45,567 Speaker 1: think maybe because I have my back to the shower 814 00:38:45,687 --> 00:38:48,687 Speaker 1: the water. Do you have your face? No, I face 815 00:38:48,767 --> 00:38:51,567 Speaker 1: the shower. Oh, I don't face the shower. Maybe this 816 00:38:52,727 --> 00:38:55,487 Speaker 1: reddle this, This might make a little bit more sense. 817 00:38:55,607 --> 00:38:57,847 Speaker 1: But also I rotate a little bit, like sometimes I 818 00:38:57,847 --> 00:38:58,327 Speaker 1: turn around. 819 00:38:58,327 --> 00:38:59,087 Speaker 2: We have to clean it front. 820 00:38:59,167 --> 00:39:03,807 Speaker 1: Sometimes clean front, clean front. Anyway, I put my shower 821 00:39:03,847 --> 00:39:06,447 Speaker 1: cap on my head and I was like, what's that is? 822 00:39:06,687 --> 00:39:09,807 Speaker 1: Maybe some of my hair's falling out? Glance in the mirror. 823 00:39:09,887 --> 00:39:11,527 Speaker 1: There was a cockreach running down my face. 824 00:39:12,927 --> 00:39:14,607 Speaker 2: That's why we don't shower down. 825 00:39:14,527 --> 00:39:18,607 Speaker 1: Into my cleavage and then I brushed it away and 826 00:39:19,647 --> 00:39:22,327 Speaker 1: off it ran. Anyway, it wasn't lovely. That was my 827 00:39:22,367 --> 00:39:25,607 Speaker 1: worst pretty bad, right. Best though, is that every so 828 00:39:25,727 --> 00:39:28,807 Speaker 1: often I haven't we call it out og family dinner. 829 00:39:29,207 --> 00:39:32,167 Speaker 1: It's my family of origin, so it's my parents and 830 00:39:32,207 --> 00:39:35,767 Speaker 1: my brother, no partners, no kids, just the four of us. 831 00:39:35,967 --> 00:39:38,047 Speaker 1: And we had one of those haven't had one for 832 00:39:38,087 --> 00:39:43,007 Speaker 1: ages and it was really lovely. And then my mum asked, oh, Darling, 833 00:39:43,327 --> 00:39:45,407 Speaker 1: when are you going to be back on Out Loud? 834 00:39:46,047 --> 00:39:48,407 Speaker 1: And usually she doesn't like the show when I'm not 835 00:39:48,487 --> 00:39:51,607 Speaker 1: on it, She's always like, I'm missing you on the show. 836 00:39:52,127 --> 00:39:53,407 Speaker 2: I mean, I only do this for her. 837 00:39:54,247 --> 00:39:56,807 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get to you. And then she said, 838 00:39:57,327 --> 00:40:01,607 Speaker 1: oh no, look I actually have been loving Amelia and 839 00:40:01,807 --> 00:40:05,127 Speaker 1: em I've been loving them and went, thanks mom, No, 840 00:40:05,487 --> 00:40:08,327 Speaker 1: that makes me so happy because I'd love having people 841 00:40:08,567 --> 00:40:10,927 Speaker 1: so I can go and do other things. I said, 842 00:40:10,967 --> 00:40:13,047 Speaker 1: what do you love about m Because whenever anyone gives 843 00:40:13,087 --> 00:40:16,287 Speaker 1: me a compliment or compliments anything work related, I asked 844 00:40:16,287 --> 00:40:19,247 Speaker 1: them why because I always want to learn and so 845 00:40:19,367 --> 00:40:24,087 Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you like about them? And Mum said, well, 846 00:40:24,087 --> 00:40:26,807 Speaker 1: Amelie is just she's so dry and she's so funny 847 00:40:26,847 --> 00:40:29,207 Speaker 1: and she knows so much. And I said, and what 848 00:40:29,247 --> 00:40:33,487 Speaker 1: about m And she said, she's tough, but she's also vulnerable. 849 00:40:33,887 --> 00:40:36,887 Speaker 1: Like last week she had her jeans and she was 850 00:40:36,927 --> 00:40:40,527 Speaker 1: bleeding into her genes and this guy who she'd been 851 00:40:40,567 --> 00:40:42,527 Speaker 1: with but I think it was just a one night stand, 852 00:40:42,767 --> 00:40:45,367 Speaker 1: was like, I think you're bleeding in your jeans and 853 00:40:45,407 --> 00:40:47,207 Speaker 1: then Holly said, well did he stay the night? And 854 00:40:47,207 --> 00:40:48,527 Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know if I'm going to see 855 00:40:48,567 --> 00:40:52,447 Speaker 1: him again. And my dad and my brother we're just like, wait, so, 856 00:40:52,487 --> 00:40:56,687 Speaker 1: who's bleeding into the jeans my colleague? 857 00:40:56,887 --> 00:40:59,527 Speaker 2: It's not Is it weird that they're like, this is 858 00:40:59,567 --> 00:41:00,207 Speaker 2: my employee? 859 00:41:00,607 --> 00:41:03,727 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is not inappropriate. So it was not 860 00:41:04,087 --> 00:41:06,047 Speaker 1: the way I expected the dinner to go. But I 861 00:41:06,087 --> 00:41:08,127 Speaker 1: just thought it was delightful and I love that description 862 00:41:08,207 --> 00:41:11,687 Speaker 1: of you, and also that the conversation over dinner was 863 00:41:11,887 --> 00:41:13,727 Speaker 1: you leaking into your genes. 864 00:41:13,927 --> 00:41:16,367 Speaker 2: I love that that's gonna be for the rest of 865 00:41:16,407 --> 00:41:16,647 Speaker 2: the week. 866 00:41:16,687 --> 00:41:17,447 Speaker 1: What was your worst? 867 00:41:17,567 --> 00:41:20,527 Speaker 2: M Okay, my worst, which now I feel bad talking 868 00:41:20,567 --> 00:41:22,847 Speaker 2: about because you just complimented me when I'm about to 869 00:41:22,887 --> 00:41:23,807 Speaker 2: complain about work. 870 00:41:23,887 --> 00:41:28,327 Speaker 1: Oh good, nothing less. I would be disappointed if you didn't. 871 00:41:28,687 --> 00:41:34,007 Speaker 2: People who put meetings between twelve pm and two pm 872 00:41:34,247 --> 00:41:35,127 Speaker 2: deserve jail time. 873 00:41:35,207 --> 00:41:38,647 Speaker 3: Excuse me, our record is a level that what I'm 874 00:41:38,687 --> 00:41:41,447 Speaker 3: trying to say, Producer M That's what I'm trying. 875 00:41:41,247 --> 00:41:43,407 Speaker 1: To say, prison, prison. 876 00:41:43,927 --> 00:41:46,967 Speaker 2: Every single day last week I had a meeting or 877 00:41:47,007 --> 00:41:49,167 Speaker 2: a recording during the lunch break. 878 00:41:49,367 --> 00:41:51,207 Speaker 1: Do you have a two hour lunch break? No? 879 00:41:51,407 --> 00:41:53,607 Speaker 2: I do like half an hour. Sometimes I push it 880 00:41:53,647 --> 00:41:55,047 Speaker 2: to an hour, except I don't think I'm allowed. 881 00:41:55,127 --> 00:41:57,127 Speaker 1: So why do you need a window of twelve till two? 882 00:41:57,847 --> 00:41:59,967 Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying like I could like go any 883 00:42:00,007 --> 00:42:04,647 Speaker 2: time between them. You need lunch When. 884 00:42:04,447 --> 00:42:06,007 Speaker 1: She's got people that she wants to talk to in 885 00:42:06,047 --> 00:42:10,167 Speaker 1: the kitchen, you know, shift your lunch break depending on 886 00:42:10,207 --> 00:42:12,287 Speaker 1: when the meeting was, unless it was a two hour 887 00:42:12,327 --> 00:42:14,447 Speaker 1: meeting that went from twelve till two, And I don't 888 00:42:14,487 --> 00:42:15,887 Speaker 1: think anyone's invited you to that. 889 00:42:15,887 --> 00:42:17,847 Speaker 2: That's not the thing. The thing is is like my 890 00:42:18,167 --> 00:42:20,607 Speaker 2: friends will have their lunch break and then I'll come 891 00:42:20,647 --> 00:42:22,327 Speaker 2: out of the meeting, and then no one's there in 892 00:42:22,367 --> 00:42:23,207 Speaker 2: the kitchen. 893 00:42:22,887 --> 00:42:24,367 Speaker 1: And then I have to. 894 00:42:24,647 --> 00:42:26,407 Speaker 2: I either have to sit by myself or sit at 895 00:42:26,407 --> 00:42:28,127 Speaker 2: my desk and then work while I'm eating. 896 00:42:28,167 --> 00:42:30,527 Speaker 1: Because we have a big common area at Mum and 897 00:42:30,607 --> 00:42:35,967 Speaker 1: mea which we call the kitchen, and you know what 898 00:42:36,047 --> 00:42:40,527 Speaker 1: at lunch time name buzzing ill the cafeteria because it 899 00:42:40,527 --> 00:42:43,047 Speaker 1: feels like a cafeteria. It's like a cafeteria. 900 00:42:43,407 --> 00:42:45,527 Speaker 2: There's so many more people. Like when I started, there 901 00:42:45,567 --> 00:42:47,727 Speaker 2: was like seventy people, and you knew everyone in our 902 00:42:47,767 --> 00:42:50,407 Speaker 2: old office. And now there's so many more people that 903 00:42:50,487 --> 00:42:52,407 Speaker 2: I feel like, oh, I actually don't know you, and 904 00:42:52,447 --> 00:42:54,127 Speaker 2: it's a bit weird if I just sit near you 905 00:42:54,167 --> 00:42:55,807 Speaker 2: and you guys are just in the same team. 906 00:42:55,887 --> 00:42:59,247 Speaker 1: Like, I can't do that, so you need to write. 907 00:42:58,847 --> 00:43:03,167 Speaker 1: So it's really yucking. You're young. When someone makes you 908 00:43:03,207 --> 00:43:04,567 Speaker 1: a lunch meeting, the work. 909 00:43:04,447 --> 00:43:08,007 Speaker 3: Demands are messing with her socializing. May's all right, definitely 910 00:43:08,007 --> 00:43:11,327 Speaker 3: talk to HR about that. A work life balance, it's important, 911 00:43:11,367 --> 00:43:14,407 Speaker 3: and that includes lunch. I need to have full flexibility 912 00:43:14,447 --> 00:43:16,687 Speaker 3: of my lunch time, which means I'm blocking out these twos. 913 00:43:16,687 --> 00:43:18,167 Speaker 2: We should just run this audio in the kitchen. 914 00:43:18,847 --> 00:43:21,367 Speaker 1: That's true, Okay. 915 00:43:21,487 --> 00:43:24,127 Speaker 2: My best is is that oh I didn't crash my car. 916 00:43:24,207 --> 00:43:27,727 Speaker 2: But it's similar to U whole. I don't really like driving, 917 00:43:28,367 --> 00:43:31,407 Speaker 2: Like driving is like my worst chore ever. So I 918 00:43:31,447 --> 00:43:33,367 Speaker 2: do have a car because the only times I have 919 00:43:33,447 --> 00:43:35,367 Speaker 2: to drive is to my parents' house because I live 920 00:43:35,447 --> 00:43:37,927 Speaker 2: quite far and I live in the city. And then 921 00:43:38,007 --> 00:43:39,047 Speaker 2: they launched the Metro. 922 00:43:39,727 --> 00:43:41,367 Speaker 1: The Metro is great. I've caught the Metro. 923 00:43:41,807 --> 00:43:43,247 Speaker 2: I've been having the best time. 924 00:43:43,647 --> 00:43:44,927 Speaker 1: So I use a light rail. 925 00:43:45,247 --> 00:43:47,527 Speaker 2: It's in between a train and the light rail, I 926 00:43:47,527 --> 00:43:50,087 Speaker 2: would say. So it's like a new form of transport 927 00:43:50,167 --> 00:43:53,207 Speaker 2: that they've launched in Sydney that like, I don't. 928 00:43:53,007 --> 00:43:54,367 Speaker 1: Know how to me. 929 00:43:54,527 --> 00:43:58,087 Speaker 3: It's no different from any other underground train. But because 930 00:43:58,127 --> 00:44:01,607 Speaker 3: it's new, it's fancy. It's fancy. So the stations of fancy, 931 00:44:01,727 --> 00:44:04,247 Speaker 3: so it's underground. Yeah, yeah, so the stations of fancy 932 00:44:04,287 --> 00:44:07,247 Speaker 3: and clean. The platforms are fancy and clean. It's got 933 00:44:07,287 --> 00:44:09,887 Speaker 3: like a barrier that owns so like you're not exposed 934 00:44:09,887 --> 00:44:10,767 Speaker 3: to the tunnel. 935 00:44:10,847 --> 00:44:14,487 Speaker 2: Like it's just it's faster. There's no driver, So. 936 00:44:14,047 --> 00:44:15,127 Speaker 1: So what do you love about it? 937 00:44:15,407 --> 00:44:16,887 Speaker 2: I love it because now I don't have to drive 938 00:44:16,927 --> 00:44:18,847 Speaker 2: to my parents' house so I can jump. So I 939 00:44:18,927 --> 00:44:21,127 Speaker 2: take it from Gadigall station, which is in the city, 940 00:44:21,607 --> 00:44:23,927 Speaker 2: and I take it to my parents' place and it's 941 00:44:23,927 --> 00:44:25,647 Speaker 2: like a five minute's walk to their place, and I'm 942 00:44:25,727 --> 00:44:27,207 Speaker 2: using public transport. 943 00:44:26,967 --> 00:44:28,247 Speaker 1: Saving the world. Yeah it's good. 944 00:44:28,287 --> 00:44:29,327 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good. 945 00:44:29,407 --> 00:44:30,687 Speaker 1: And it's like everybody and I. 946 00:44:30,607 --> 00:44:32,287 Speaker 2: Feel like I'm a main character because you can like 947 00:44:32,327 --> 00:44:33,927 Speaker 2: read your book and then you're looking at everyone, going, 948 00:44:33,967 --> 00:44:35,567 Speaker 2: I know, you see me looking smart over here. 949 00:44:35,767 --> 00:44:36,287 Speaker 1: I like that. 950 00:44:36,367 --> 00:44:36,887 Speaker 2: It's nice. 951 00:44:36,967 --> 00:44:40,727 Speaker 1: Everybody loves it. Thank you so much out loud. As 952 00:44:40,767 --> 00:44:42,447 Speaker 1: we've come to the end of our show today. 953 00:44:42,527 --> 00:44:44,567 Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us. We hope you enjoy 954 00:44:44,647 --> 00:44:46,527 Speaker 3: listening to it as much as we enjoy making it. 955 00:44:46,567 --> 00:44:48,087 Speaker 3: We're going to be back in years on Monday, but 956 00:44:48,207 --> 00:44:50,687 Speaker 3: until then and read this out, my friend. 957 00:44:50,647 --> 00:44:54,407 Speaker 2: A big thank you to our team. Executive producer Rude Divine. 958 00:44:54,607 --> 00:44:57,327 Speaker 2: She says that she barely knows what decade she's in, 959 00:44:57,527 --> 00:45:01,447 Speaker 2: let alone if she's happy or not. Our senior producer 960 00:45:01,687 --> 00:45:05,407 Speaker 2: Emmeline Gazillas is generally a glass half full kind of gal, 961 00:45:05,727 --> 00:45:08,727 Speaker 2: but it's particularly content in her current decade, which is 962 00:45:08,767 --> 00:45:11,287 Speaker 2: what she's been in her thirties or five seconds. You 963 00:45:11,287 --> 00:45:14,367 Speaker 2: don't know this, okay. Our audio producer. 964 00:45:13,967 --> 00:45:17,807 Speaker 1: Leah, but no complaints. She's fitting on so good. 965 00:45:18,087 --> 00:45:21,807 Speaker 2: Audio producer Leah Porges is definitely in her happiest decade now. 966 00:45:21,847 --> 00:45:24,607 Speaker 2: She hated being a teenager but is thriving in her twenties. 967 00:45:24,607 --> 00:45:28,247 Speaker 2: It must ben. And our social media producer Isabelle Dolphin, 968 00:45:28,287 --> 00:45:30,527 Speaker 2: who's on holiday now, so we're deciding for her that 969 00:45:30,607 --> 00:45:33,287 Speaker 2: this is definitely her happiest time surely. 970 00:45:33,327 --> 00:45:37,247 Speaker 1: And before we go out louders, it's the US election 971 00:45:37,327 --> 00:45:41,127 Speaker 1: next week. Hello boy, did Amelia Lester have a lot 972 00:45:41,167 --> 00:45:44,447 Speaker 1: to unpack with Holly and Jesse on yesterday's subscriber episode. 973 00:45:44,687 --> 00:45:47,087 Speaker 1: We'll give you a little preview of that episode right now. 974 00:45:47,207 --> 00:45:48,607 Speaker 1: There is a link in the show notes if you 975 00:45:48,607 --> 00:45:50,967 Speaker 1: will listen to the whole theme. Now, did I say that? 976 00:45:51,047 --> 00:45:54,007 Speaker 3: Jennifer Lopez she also has come out and she is 977 00:45:54,127 --> 00:45:55,807 Speaker 3: roundly she said, let's get loud. 978 00:45:55,847 --> 00:45:56,487 Speaker 1: It's a lie. 979 00:45:56,687 --> 00:45:59,527 Speaker 3: I love it, Jello and she's the vote Harris all 980 00:45:59,567 --> 00:46:03,007 Speaker 3: the way. And she's also reposted some very famous on 981 00:46:03,167 --> 00:46:07,007 Speaker 3: stage imagery of her wearing air Puerto Rican flagged made 982 00:46:07,127 --> 00:46:10,407 Speaker 3: entirely of feathers and her Puerto Rican pride. After that 983 00:46:10,567 --> 00:46:11,767 Speaker 3: our commentary go. 984 00:46:11,847 --> 00:46:14,127 Speaker 1: Jayler and we should mention that Puerto Ricans are scattered 985 00:46:14,167 --> 00:46:17,047 Speaker 1: all over the US because they are American and so 986 00:46:17,127 --> 00:46:20,607 Speaker 1: this could have a real impact on things. Shout out 987 00:46:20,607 --> 00:46:23,767 Speaker 1: to any Muma Maya subscribers listening. If you love the 988 00:46:23,767 --> 00:46:26,567 Speaker 1: show and you want to support us as well, subscribing 989 00:46:26,567 --> 00:46:28,927 Speaker 1: to Mama Maya is the very best way to do so. 990 00:46:29,007 --> 00:46:30,967 Speaker 1: There is a link in the episode description.