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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.

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Speaker 1: I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick. And today on.

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Speaker 3: The show, we are talking about a very exclusive interview

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Speaker 3: between Armie Hammer and Louis Thureaux. A lot happened in

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Speaker 3: that interview and I'm just going to recap what my

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Speaker 3: best moments were during it. We're also talking about a

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Speaker 1: But first, but first.

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Speaker 2: So Asap Rocky, whose real name is Rickey Mayers obviously

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Speaker 2: an incredible musician, but we have a big soft spot

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Speaker 2: for him for being the partner of Rihanna and the

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, our cute little family has had a bit of

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Speaker 2: a rocky time recently. Actually didn't mean to make that

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Speaker 2: asyprock time and Acep Brockie time, if you will, because

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Speaker 2: he was charged. This is back in two thousand and

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Speaker 2: Terrell Ephron, whose professional name is acep Rerelly during a confrontation.

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Speaker 2: So acep Brocky in the court case pleaded not guilty,

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Speaker 2: so the stakes have been really high. There's been a

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Speaker 3: So many photos of Rihanna like walking in and out of.

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Speaker 2: The oh, I mean exactly like and she's obviously trying

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Speaker 2: But just this week he was found not guilty of

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Speaker 2: So there's that moment he's standing up, he's waiting for

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Speaker 2: Twenty four years in prison is obviously like a huge

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Speaker 3: The story was actually took me by surprise because I

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Speaker 3: it's so weird. It felt like it happened like so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So asap Rockie didn't do like any big

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Speaker 1: They really wanted to think the jury coming in a

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Speaker 4: And I'm just so thankful. This is crazy right now,

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Speaker 3: Now, to be a free man talking to guy, thank

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Speaker 3: So earlier this week, Louis Thurreau, who is, I want

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Speaker 4: I have a theory on human nature that I call

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Speaker 4: my beach ball theory that every human being is a

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Speaker 4: And you can take your beach ball and you can

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Speaker 4: push it underwater for a person or a religious institution,

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Speaker 4: But the further underwater you push it and the longer

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Speaker 4: And if it shoots up in the air and it

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Speaker 3: We've talked about Armie Hammer in the past. The most

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Speaker 3: I think it's really important for context. So this whole

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Speaker 3: it was brilliant. We'll link it in our show notes.

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Speaker 3: But I couldn't help but laughing at some of his answers.

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Speaker 3: Armie Hamma, I don't know much about him, but he

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Speaker 3: want to give in and like say that, yes, this

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Speaker 3: There was his point where he just kind of like

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Speaker 2: Louis throw was one of a few interviewers where I

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't just Army that was kind of funny

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Speaker 3: I have to ask because obviously with Army, like you're

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I'll add you so you can read it, but

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Speaker 3: Of those recaps that I try to do. We did

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Speaker 3: it with the Gladiator, Yeah, yeah, trailer. This is just

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Speaker 3: like the best quotes I found in this entire podcast,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to try to do it in chronological

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Speaker 1: If I had a dollar.

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Speaker 3: For every time someone told me I needed to write

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Speaker 3: Oh lord, Louis, I'm giving you a chance to explain.

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Speaker 3: Are you a cannibal, Army. I guess to actually be

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Speaker 1: So no, Louis, did you I'm jumping over a bit.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not lining up, but it doesn't make sense

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Speaker 2: following exactly what you're saying. I know exactly what's happening, Louis.

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Speaker 3: Do you cut the heart out of an animal and

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Speaker 2: These are the questions he has to ask. It's not

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Speaker 2: Louis Throw's fault that this man is behaving this way.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't eat the whole heart, because that would

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Speaker 3: It's like, as you'd ask me that you take a

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Speaker 2: So eating the raw heart of an animal, you've just

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Speaker 5: Courtney Vuskovich has sort of contended that, oh he bit

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Speaker 4: Does that see she did, Yeah, she did put she

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Speaker 5: That's right, there was a documentary House of Hammer on Discovery.

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Speaker 4: But by the way, the picture, the pictures that she

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Speaker 4: And I mean that that you can check that yourself.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, by the way, producer Jerry just showed me

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Speaker 4: I mean that was even taken out of the doctor.

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Speaker 5: Interesting. So did you bite her?

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Speaker 4: Sure? I'm sure I did. Yeah, I'm sure. I like

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Speaker 2: Okay, obviously not judging him for eating meat, because we

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure, so I haven't personally been hunting, so I didn't,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but as soon as I do reach into the now,

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Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't want to look silly. That's that's good. Armie.

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Speaker 3: Do you watch pornography, Louis? Have I watched it?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't mean to be sassy about it. No

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Speaker 3: one needs the image of me watching pornography in their head, Armie. Listen, bro,

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Speaker 2: Oh, don't do that, Army, he's trying to be the

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Speaker 3: Army, and this is confirmed exclusive Army. There's not a

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Speaker 4: Do you watch pornography?

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Speaker 5: Have I watched it?

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Speaker 5: Okay, I don't mean to associate about it and trying.

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Speaker 4: Listen, bro, no one needs the image of me eating

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Speaker 5: Because I'll pushed back very gently on that in the

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Speaker 4: Would it help if I said the generic you not specifically?

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Speaker 5: No, No, it's not so much about me. Okay, you know,

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Speaker 3: So just not bad for Louis through ARMI maybe for you,

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Speaker 3: What was I consuming life? Just the whole as much

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Speaker 2: Yes, Armie Hammer has really leant into that I'm not

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Speaker 3: Flesh literally, And Louis does bring all of that up

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Speaker 3: That I wanted to say was like after they spoke

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Speaker 1: I never want to hear anything else.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, because I feel like Armie Hammer

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Speaker 3: So many people have allegedly asked him to make a podcast,

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Speaker 3: He still doesn't get it, Like even he doesn't remember

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Speaker 1: He still doesn't understand like.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, what do you not get like and

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Speaker 2: This is like shows how out of touch he is

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Speaker 2: And if I think he really thought, you know, he's

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Speaker 2: I think he thought that would be He's like, it's

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Speaker 2: it was meant. And also, to be fair to him,

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Speaker 2: some people were very much on his side. They're like, oh, sorry, Armie,

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Speaker 2: we're like, oh, no, no, no, we judged you so unfairly.

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00:19:30,664 --> 00:19:32,984
Speaker 2: Like he thinks that moment is coming for him, and

435
00:19:33,024 --> 00:19:35,304
Speaker 2: someone needs to tell him. It's not like he's not

436
00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:37,664
Speaker 2: getting in Britney Spears moment. He's not getting an Anne

437
00:19:37,664 --> 00:19:39,784
Speaker 2: Hathaway moment. Not that those two women should be like

438
00:19:39,824 --> 00:19:41,864
Speaker 2: in the same thing as Armie Hammer, but talking about

439
00:19:41,864 --> 00:19:44,704
Speaker 2: you know, women who have been like publicly dragged and

440
00:19:44,744 --> 00:19:46,744
Speaker 2: the whole world is like, wait, it was society that

441
00:19:46,784 --> 00:19:49,144
Speaker 2: was wrong. He's waiting for that moment for himself.

442
00:19:49,224 --> 00:19:50,024
Speaker 1: It's never gonna come.

443
00:19:50,024 --> 00:19:52,264
Speaker 3: He thought it would be this interview because the interview

444
00:19:52,304 --> 00:19:56,704
Speaker 3: did end like quite pleasantly. He did say to Louis,

445
00:19:56,704 --> 00:19:58,624
Speaker 3: because Louis asked, is there anything else you want to add?

446
00:19:58,664 --> 00:20:00,424
Speaker 3: And he's like, if I'm being perfectly honest, I didn't

447
00:20:00,504 --> 00:20:03,104
Speaker 3: like how the interview started, which is I think a

448
00:20:03,144 --> 00:20:05,784
Speaker 3: social clip that's gone absolutely viral the interview.

449
00:20:05,904 --> 00:20:06,304
Speaker 4: Did you have.

450
00:20:06,224 --> 00:20:09,344
Speaker 5: Anything else you wanted to say? I should, I.

451
00:20:09,264 --> 00:20:11,064
Speaker 4: Should know, I mean I don't. I don't love the

452
00:20:11,104 --> 00:20:13,784
Speaker 4: way the interview started. Just to be perfectly honest, I'm

453
00:20:13,824 --> 00:20:18,024
Speaker 4: not crazy about drudging up all of this stuff because

454
00:20:18,064 --> 00:20:20,304
Speaker 4: for me, a lot of these issues have been resolved,

455
00:20:20,424 --> 00:20:24,704
Speaker 4: whether it be legally or within myself, and I feel

456
00:20:24,744 --> 00:20:28,464
Speaker 4: like a lot of those waters have settled. I think

457
00:20:28,544 --> 00:20:33,744
Speaker 4: doing things like that stirs up the water again unnecessarily.

458
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Speaker 1: In my opinion.

459
00:20:33,544 --> 00:20:35,584
Speaker 3: It's like the least interesting part of the interview. Like

460
00:20:35,624 --> 00:20:37,864
Speaker 3: you could see how annoyed he was throughout the whole interview,

461
00:20:38,024 --> 00:20:39,664
Speaker 3: but he was very honest and said it. He didn't

462
00:20:39,664 --> 00:20:40,904
Speaker 3: like how it started, and he didn't want to keep

463
00:20:40,944 --> 00:20:43,264
Speaker 3: talking about this. But the best thing about this is

464
00:20:43,264 --> 00:20:47,064
Speaker 3: because it's Louis the Roe's podcast. After the interview, you

465
00:20:47,144 --> 00:20:49,864
Speaker 3: see Louis sitting at his desk with his team just

466
00:20:49,904 --> 00:20:51,944
Speaker 3: like reflecting on the.

467
00:20:51,944 --> 00:20:52,944
Speaker 1: Interview for us.

468
00:20:53,144 --> 00:20:57,104
Speaker 3: Yeah, and my favorite line he said was talking about army.

469
00:20:57,504 --> 00:21:00,624
Speaker 3: He said, hell, hath no fury like a woman scorned?

470
00:21:00,944 --> 00:21:01,984
Speaker 1: Do you know the source?

471
00:21:02,184 --> 00:21:04,944
Speaker 3: If you said Shakespeare, you'd be wrong. It was actually

472
00:21:05,024 --> 00:21:09,784
Speaker 3: the seventeenth century dramarist William Kngrieve. I will give you context,

473
00:21:09,784 --> 00:21:13,944
Speaker 3: but I can't. He bothered, so he's like, I'm actually

474
00:21:14,024 --> 00:21:15,784
Speaker 3: over this. You can see like his head's in his

475
00:21:15,904 --> 00:21:18,424
Speaker 3: hand and gave him a whole headache. Like you can

476
00:21:18,424 --> 00:21:21,144
Speaker 3: tell he can't believe this man is still going the

477
00:21:21,184 --> 00:21:24,024
Speaker 3: way he's going. And also he's going to be fine.

478
00:21:24,024 --> 00:21:25,664
Speaker 3: He's going to be fine like people. I know he

479
00:21:25,824 --> 00:21:27,704
Speaker 3: is fine because it was like a remote interview. He's

480
00:21:27,744 --> 00:21:31,104
Speaker 3: in this beautiful office. He's got his producer next to

481
00:21:31,184 --> 00:21:33,544
Speaker 3: him because he has a producer, and he's like in

482
00:21:33,584 --> 00:21:37,144
Speaker 3: this like shirt and jeans, no shoes, like chilling, like

483
00:21:37,304 --> 00:21:38,064
Speaker 3: sitting back with it.

484
00:21:38,224 --> 00:21:39,544
Speaker 1: Like he's fine.

485
00:21:39,904 --> 00:21:41,664
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's going to be fine, and he will get

486
00:21:41,744 --> 00:21:43,904
Speaker 2: more acting. I think he actually has signed a few

487
00:21:43,944 --> 00:21:46,064
Speaker 2: acting roles, like smaller. He said in the interview that

488
00:21:46,064 --> 00:21:47,704
Speaker 2: he's getting so much that he had to turn a

489
00:21:47,704 --> 00:21:49,744
Speaker 2: few down. I'm sure that's what I mean. He's going

490
00:21:49,784 --> 00:21:53,424
Speaker 2: to be absolutely fine, which is a terrible reflection on society,

491
00:21:53,424 --> 00:21:54,384
Speaker 2: but just how things happen.

492
00:21:54,944 --> 00:21:56,784
Speaker 3: We will put a link to the whole interview on

493
00:21:56,824 --> 00:21:58,624
Speaker 3: our show. Notes but we will not be linking to

494
00:21:58,744 --> 00:22:01,264
Speaker 3: his podcast.

495
00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:04,144
Speaker 2: Well, we're on the other side of another crazy week

496
00:22:04,264 --> 00:22:07,304
Speaker 2: of Married at First Sight. Just as a side note,

497
00:22:07,464 --> 00:22:11,184
Speaker 2: the rest of the world just thinks we're insane. Like

498
00:22:11,504 --> 00:22:13,864
Speaker 2: there's a few different iterations of Married at First Sight

499
00:22:13,944 --> 00:22:17,184
Speaker 2: around the world, but nothing hits like the Australian version

500
00:22:17,224 --> 00:22:20,224
Speaker 2: according to so many people, because we are just so

501
00:22:20,304 --> 00:22:22,744
Speaker 2: much crazier if you can believe it thin others. Even so,

502
00:22:22,864 --> 00:22:24,784
Speaker 2: Sharone the other day was saying.

503
00:22:24,744 --> 00:22:27,824
Speaker 3: I was about to like literally bring up that interview

504
00:22:27,824 --> 00:22:30,064
Speaker 3: because I couldn't believe she watched Married at First Sight?

505
00:22:30,384 --> 00:22:33,504
Speaker 3: Was it a with Variety? Yeah, it was with Variety,

506
00:22:33,544 --> 00:22:36,184
Speaker 3: And she's talking about how Married at First Site Australia

507
00:22:36,304 --> 00:22:37,984
Speaker 3: is like the best show ever. And she's like, I

508
00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:39,944
Speaker 3: don't even bother with the other ones because I'm not

509
00:22:39,984 --> 00:22:42,024
Speaker 3: as good as the Australian. She's like, the Australians are

510
00:22:42,024 --> 00:22:43,464
Speaker 3: so rude, they just get right in there.

511
00:22:43,864 --> 00:22:46,104
Speaker 7: Do you have a favorite reality show Married at First

512
00:22:46,184 --> 00:22:49,584
Speaker 7: Sight Australia Because the Aussies are like extra Aussies will

513
00:22:49,624 --> 00:22:53,144
Speaker 7: say it themselves, they're like hectic, they are so hectic,

514
00:22:53,344 --> 00:22:57,384
Speaker 7: like they take it somewhere else so I skipped. I

515
00:22:57,384 --> 00:22:59,584
Speaker 7: don't know if America has married at First Sight. They

516
00:22:59,624 --> 00:23:01,184
Speaker 7: have one in the UK as well, but I've just

517
00:23:01,224 --> 00:23:03,504
Speaker 7: skipped all that and I've gone straight to Australia.

518
00:23:03,544 --> 00:23:05,904
Speaker 1: Do you watch it like and see if they stay together?

519
00:23:06,064 --> 00:23:10,744
Speaker 7: Yeah? None of them do. In the season that I've

520
00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:14,264
Speaker 7: recently watched, I don't think any of them stayed together,

521
00:23:14,584 --> 00:23:18,304
Speaker 7: except for one couple that were actually matched with different

522
00:23:18,344 --> 00:23:22,504
Speaker 7: people and then they started secretly texting oh wow behind

523
00:23:22,504 --> 00:23:25,864
Speaker 7: their partners backs. It's very Australian, very hectic. If I

524
00:23:25,944 --> 00:23:32,504
Speaker 7: met someone promarried at first I would die. I don't

525
00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:35,984
Speaker 7: think they will now. They're too hectic. We're not hectic

526
00:23:36,064 --> 00:23:36,544
Speaker 7: enough for them.

527
00:23:36,744 --> 00:23:39,024
Speaker 2: And there's so many other like big name podcasts and

528
00:23:39,104 --> 00:23:41,744
Speaker 2: authors like Elizabeth Day, who's so invested in marrit at

529
00:23:41,744 --> 00:23:44,544
Speaker 2: First Sight in Australia. It's just the world is watching,

530
00:23:44,824 --> 00:23:47,064
Speaker 2: which is unfortunate for us because it's not painting us

531
00:23:47,104 --> 00:23:47,784
Speaker 2: in the best life.

532
00:23:47,784 --> 00:23:50,944
Speaker 3: It reflects society, does it my society?

533
00:23:51,024 --> 00:23:53,704
Speaker 2: Okay, that's very troubling. You should look into your circle.

534
00:23:53,824 --> 00:23:55,704
Speaker 2: Remember you're the sum of the five people you spend

535
00:23:55,744 --> 00:23:58,144
Speaker 2: the most time with God, which, unfortunately for me now,

536
00:23:58,224 --> 00:23:59,944
Speaker 2: is that to you you would be part.

537
00:23:59,704 --> 00:24:02,424
Speaker 3: Of and our producer Kim like, it's the three of us.

538
00:24:02,744 --> 00:24:03,584
Speaker 1: Two more people.

539
00:24:03,904 --> 00:24:06,224
Speaker 2: That's really stressful, the three of us and your parents,

540
00:24:06,264 --> 00:24:07,544
Speaker 2: who I feel like I might have to take an

541
00:24:07,544 --> 00:24:11,584
Speaker 2: extended vacation after this. So this week, obviously there's been

542
00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:13,864
Speaker 2: a lot of crying, a lot of allegations, a lot

543
00:24:13,944 --> 00:24:17,464
Speaker 2: of men acting badly. But one cast member in particular

544
00:24:17,864 --> 00:24:20,144
Speaker 2: has really been copying a lot of the headlines, a

545
00:24:20,224 --> 00:24:23,424
Speaker 2: lot of the backlash, and that is Jackie No One

546
00:24:23,504 --> 00:24:26,624
Speaker 2: as the woman with crazy eyes, which is not very nice.

547
00:24:26,664 --> 00:24:27,344
Speaker 2: Of course nice.

548
00:24:27,384 --> 00:24:28,584
Speaker 1: It's always a woman, isn't it.

549
00:24:28,904 --> 00:24:31,144
Speaker 2: Well, exactly that's what I wanted to get into obviously,

550
00:24:31,184 --> 00:24:32,944
Speaker 2: like we've married at first sight. A lot of the

551
00:24:32,984 --> 00:24:36,064
Speaker 2: men are often painted as the villains. I'm not even painted.

552
00:24:36,104 --> 00:24:38,264
Speaker 2: It's because they are the villains of the piece.

553
00:24:38,464 --> 00:24:41,264
Speaker 3: But a lot of women they make their brand, yeah,

554
00:24:41,264 --> 00:24:43,184
Speaker 3: but they make it like, yes, I'm the villain of

555
00:24:43,224 --> 00:24:45,264
Speaker 3: the show, and then they go on and do like

556
00:24:45,424 --> 00:24:46,944
Speaker 3: browie things, so they're like.

557
00:24:47,104 --> 00:24:49,504
Speaker 1: I hate women, blah blah blah blah, and then.

558
00:24:49,344 --> 00:24:51,224
Speaker 3: They just make it work for them and then they

559
00:24:51,264 --> 00:24:53,624
Speaker 3: get a huge following and it works. Whereas a women

560
00:24:53,744 --> 00:24:55,464
Speaker 3: come out of the show, and then they get a

561
00:24:55,544 --> 00:24:59,024
Speaker 3: quote unquote bad edit, and then they have to do

562
00:24:59,064 --> 00:25:02,064
Speaker 3: all this unraveling and work to try to get their

563
00:25:02,144 --> 00:25:04,464
Speaker 3: image back to how they wanted it to be when

564
00:25:04,464 --> 00:25:05,624
Speaker 3: they first went on that show.

565
00:25:06,424 --> 00:25:09,504
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And again as we know, like you know,

566
00:25:09,624 --> 00:25:12,424
Speaker 2: you can't make someone behave in a certain way, but

567
00:25:12,504 --> 00:25:14,784
Speaker 2: you can put them in situations and you can you know,

568
00:25:15,464 --> 00:25:19,184
Speaker 2: edit their reactions so that sometimes they're really overreacting whereas

569
00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:20,424
Speaker 2: what they're shooting might have been.

570
00:25:20,504 --> 00:25:23,024
Speaker 1: I had a feeling edit as well.

571
00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:26,624
Speaker 2: I guess we talked about multiple times on this podcast.

572
00:25:26,944 --> 00:25:29,824
Speaker 3: But it sucks, like you really feel shit, and then

573
00:25:30,144 --> 00:25:32,344
Speaker 3: you go through this thing where you're like, was that

574
00:25:32,424 --> 00:25:34,504
Speaker 3: like a really awful thing to say? Like did I

575
00:25:34,544 --> 00:25:36,424
Speaker 3: actually say that? Like it tricks you because you're also

576
00:25:36,424 --> 00:25:37,744
Speaker 3: watching what everyone else is watching.

577
00:25:37,904 --> 00:25:40,304
Speaker 1: You went on like a panel show. I mean you

578
00:25:40,304 --> 00:25:42,904
Speaker 1: can I went now I won't name it because it's like, but.

579
00:25:42,904 --> 00:25:46,744
Speaker 2: They show audiences members having a reaction to it looked

580
00:25:46,744 --> 00:25:48,984
Speaker 2: like they were reacting negatively to you, But they were

581
00:25:48,984 --> 00:25:51,064
Speaker 2: reacting negatively to something that happened later.

582
00:25:50,904 --> 00:25:52,824
Speaker 3: On, to the point where those audience members, some of

583
00:25:52,864 --> 00:25:54,864
Speaker 3: them messaged me saying just sudding. You know, that wasn't

584
00:25:54,904 --> 00:25:56,744
Speaker 3: how I reacted when you were telling your story, Like

585
00:25:56,784 --> 00:25:58,784
Speaker 3: they changed it and I was like, oh, thanks, that's

586
00:25:58,784 --> 00:26:01,784
Speaker 3: really nice. It does make you think that, like, oh

587
00:26:01,864 --> 00:26:04,984
Speaker 3: maybe I am crazy, Maybe this is actually me. Maybe

588
00:26:05,144 --> 00:26:07,904
Speaker 3: that story was really bad, and like people think I'm

589
00:26:07,904 --> 00:26:12,064
Speaker 3: a really bad person. And then until you get clarification,

590
00:26:12,264 --> 00:26:15,664
Speaker 3: which these contestants never do, that's just what you go

591
00:26:15,744 --> 00:26:17,064
Speaker 3: on with your life thinking about.

592
00:26:17,264 --> 00:26:21,024
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So we're seeing all eyes on Jackie this

593
00:26:21,064 --> 00:26:24,344
Speaker 2: week as the crazy eyed person as previously said, and

594
00:26:24,424 --> 00:26:27,624
Speaker 2: also because she's just really been crying a lot and

595
00:26:27,864 --> 00:26:28,704
Speaker 2: very very.

596
00:26:28,504 --> 00:26:33,944
Speaker 1: Emotional and she's just married a stranger. Well exactly, I'm

597
00:26:34,064 --> 00:26:35,664
Speaker 1: trying too. That does sound rough.

598
00:26:35,744 --> 00:26:38,864
Speaker 2: So Ryan is her fake husband and she has a

599
00:26:38,904 --> 00:26:40,944
Speaker 2: lot of grievances against him, and we know this.

600
00:26:40,984 --> 00:26:42,984
Speaker 3: And Ryan's the one who calls her crazy eyes just

601
00:26:42,984 --> 00:26:43,824
Speaker 3: in front of all the men.

602
00:26:44,024 --> 00:26:44,264
Speaker 2: Yeah.

603
00:26:44,344 --> 00:26:46,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not very nice, is it.

604
00:26:47,224 --> 00:26:48,944
Speaker 2: So we know she has a lot of grievances with

605
00:26:49,064 --> 00:26:50,904
Speaker 2: him because she put them all onto a list and

606
00:26:50,944 --> 00:26:52,904
Speaker 2: read them out. It was very ten things I hate

607
00:26:52,904 --> 00:26:55,104
Speaker 2: about you without the emotional love story at the end.

608
00:26:55,344 --> 00:26:57,784
Speaker 2: So Heath Ledger, no, no, no, Heath Ledger in there

609
00:26:57,824 --> 00:26:59,944
Speaker 2: and they are still kind of together on the show.

610
00:27:00,024 --> 00:27:02,024
Speaker 2: We'll see how that goes. But she read out a

611
00:27:02,024 --> 00:27:04,424
Speaker 2: list of grievances about all the things that she didn't

612
00:27:04,504 --> 00:27:07,064
Speaker 2: like about him or how he was treating her. I'm

613
00:27:07,064 --> 00:27:08,384
Speaker 2: going to read you a few and you can tell

614
00:27:08,384 --> 00:27:10,584
Speaker 2: me if you think these are if these pays her

615
00:27:10,584 --> 00:27:13,224
Speaker 2: as a crazy woman, as we've been led to believe,

616
00:27:13,344 --> 00:27:15,584
Speaker 2: or if she has a valid point. One of the

617
00:27:15,624 --> 00:27:17,704
Speaker 2: things that she called out Ryan for is that she

618
00:27:17,824 --> 00:27:20,624
Speaker 2: got dropped on her head at their wedding, Like when

619
00:27:20,664 --> 00:27:22,344
Speaker 2: they were spinning her around, she dropped in her head.

620
00:27:22,384 --> 00:27:25,464
Speaker 2: Oh sick, smashed and she got taken to a paramedic,

621
00:27:25,504 --> 00:27:28,024
Speaker 2: and she says Ryan didn't even check on her. This

622
00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:29,984
Speaker 2: is a man who likes to say that he protects women.

623
00:27:30,024 --> 00:27:31,104
Speaker 2: That's his big kind of point.

624
00:27:31,224 --> 00:27:32,984
Speaker 3: Oh, you weren't protecting her there?

625
00:27:33,064 --> 00:27:33,984
Speaker 1: What happened to her head?

626
00:27:34,064 --> 00:27:36,584
Speaker 2: Ryan didn't go over and be like, hey, I know

627
00:27:36,824 --> 00:27:38,944
Speaker 2: we're strangers, you just got married, but you've got to

628
00:27:38,944 --> 00:27:41,584
Speaker 2: potentially have a severe head injury and are you okay?

629
00:27:41,744 --> 00:27:43,984
Speaker 3: Yeah, or just like walk past your hamlen to be

630
00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:46,064
Speaker 3: like just checking do you need the water? Do you

631
00:27:46,144 --> 00:27:47,864
Speaker 3: need anything, So he didn't do any of that.

632
00:27:47,984 --> 00:27:48,984
Speaker 1: Yeah, that red flag.

633
00:27:49,104 --> 00:27:52,064
Speaker 2: Yeah. She also said the crazy eyes insults, which we've

634
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:55,024
Speaker 2: touched on not very nice. His refusal to do any

635
00:27:55,264 --> 00:27:58,064
Speaker 2: like tools around the house or help with the cleaning. Yeah,

636
00:27:58,184 --> 00:27:59,944
Speaker 2: I mean that one could go either way, like how

637
00:28:00,024 --> 00:28:01,344
Speaker 2: much they both cleaning, I don't know.

638
00:28:01,544 --> 00:28:03,944
Speaker 3: Yeah, if she's also not cleaning, and then she's just like,

639
00:28:03,984 --> 00:28:05,384
Speaker 3: hey you should clean.

640
00:28:05,224 --> 00:28:05,624
Speaker 1: I don't know.

641
00:28:05,664 --> 00:28:07,664
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, and maybe this is to their

642
00:28:07,664 --> 00:28:10,304
Speaker 2: detro math has it included a lot of cleaning storylines

643
00:28:10,384 --> 00:28:12,624
Speaker 2: this year, so we actually they would.

644
00:28:12,384 --> 00:28:13,544
Speaker 1: Get quite good sponsors with that.

645
00:28:13,584 --> 00:28:17,184
Speaker 2: I would think, Yeah, it's the integration in there, get

646
00:28:17,264 --> 00:28:19,184
Speaker 2: us on your mask. She also says he doesn't buy

647
00:28:19,184 --> 00:28:19,864
Speaker 2: her flowers.

648
00:28:20,384 --> 00:28:23,304
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, I have Oh, okay, I have a

649
00:28:23,344 --> 00:28:23,904
Speaker 3: thought about that.

650
00:28:23,944 --> 00:28:25,624
Speaker 2: You really changed tack. Then you would just like I

651
00:28:25,664 --> 00:28:28,064
Speaker 2: don't care. And then you really decided that you didn't care.

652
00:28:28,024 --> 00:28:31,424
Speaker 3: Because I dated someone who never bought me flowers and

653
00:28:31,464 --> 00:28:33,584
Speaker 3: I was like, it's fine, that's fine, you don't have

654
00:28:33,624 --> 00:28:37,104
Speaker 3: to bring me flowers. And then I was like, wait,

655
00:28:37,704 --> 00:28:40,304
Speaker 3: I kind of really like flowers, and I told and

656
00:28:40,344 --> 00:28:42,064
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, but I just think it's a

657
00:28:42,064 --> 00:28:43,424
Speaker 3: waste of money. I'm like, that's fine for you to

658
00:28:43,504 --> 00:28:45,584
Speaker 3: have that opinion, but it's something that I really like.

659
00:28:45,864 --> 00:28:47,184
Speaker 3: So I'd like you to buy me flowers.

660
00:28:47,224 --> 00:28:48,824
Speaker 1: And then it did. Well, that's the thing.

661
00:28:48,824 --> 00:28:50,824
Speaker 2: It depends if flowers are your thing or not, because

662
00:28:50,824 --> 00:28:52,624
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of women get handed flowers and

663
00:28:52,664 --> 00:28:54,464
Speaker 2: be like, I don't like flowers. I don't own a

664
00:28:54,544 --> 00:28:57,064
Speaker 2: oas why you're just getting me something generally personal.

665
00:28:57,064 --> 00:28:59,704
Speaker 3: So unless she's had that conversation with him and he's

666
00:28:59,744 --> 00:29:02,984
Speaker 3: still not buying her flowers, I'd be like, hey, come on.

667
00:29:03,504 --> 00:29:05,304
Speaker 3: But if she did another conversation and she's like and

668
00:29:05,384 --> 00:29:07,264
Speaker 3: he's never bought me flowers, yeah, and I'd be like,

669
00:29:07,304 --> 00:29:07,944
Speaker 3: that's I think.

670
00:29:08,544 --> 00:29:10,184
Speaker 2: If you're a flower personal, I love how we're going

671
00:29:10,264 --> 00:29:12,424
Speaker 2: to really into this. Well, just because again I am

672
00:29:12,464 --> 00:29:14,824
Speaker 2: a flower person. I have several vases in my home.

673
00:29:14,864 --> 00:29:16,544
Speaker 2: I go every week and buy my flowers.

674
00:29:16,584 --> 00:29:18,304
Speaker 1: So we buy our own flowers.

675
00:29:18,304 --> 00:29:20,424
Speaker 3: So when someone else buys a floor us, it's really

676
00:29:20,504 --> 00:29:22,624
Speaker 3: nice because it's like them saying, Okay, I see you

677
00:29:22,664 --> 00:29:25,264
Speaker 3: appreciate flowers, so look I've done it for you.

678
00:29:25,704 --> 00:29:27,304
Speaker 2: Oh I wish we could ask Jackie. I'd be like,

679
00:29:27,304 --> 00:29:29,504
Speaker 2: first of all, how much were you cleaning? Second of all,

680
00:29:29,544 --> 00:29:31,344
Speaker 2: I mean also I do believe he wasn't cleaning. Second

681
00:29:31,344 --> 00:29:32,904
Speaker 2: of all, I'd be like, are you a flower person?

682
00:29:32,944 --> 00:29:34,504
Speaker 2: That's really going to turn me in your favorite?

683
00:29:34,504 --> 00:29:36,624
Speaker 3: Because if she hates flowers, I'm like, well, there you go, babe,

684
00:29:36,624 --> 00:29:37,664
Speaker 3: he's just doing what you want.

685
00:29:39,304 --> 00:29:41,184
Speaker 2: I think he's also been like just quite aggressive and

686
00:29:41,224 --> 00:29:42,944
Speaker 2: nasty to her, which to me is the bigger red

687
00:29:42,944 --> 00:29:45,504
Speaker 2: flag than the flower thing. Anyway, when she was reading

688
00:29:45,584 --> 00:29:49,264
Speaker 2: all this out, Ryan ended up storming out because she

689
00:29:49,464 --> 00:29:51,824
Speaker 2: says that he didn't offer to pay for breakfast on

690
00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:52,504
Speaker 2: their first date.

691
00:29:53,344 --> 00:29:55,904
Speaker 3: God, which obviously this is why we need a dating

692
00:29:55,944 --> 00:29:58,904
Speaker 3: podcast LB, because I just take so many lessons here.

693
00:29:59,344 --> 00:30:00,864
Speaker 2: I know, but how do you feel when a guy

694
00:30:01,064 --> 00:30:03,064
Speaker 2: doesn't offer to pay on the first date? Because I'm

695
00:30:03,104 --> 00:30:04,584
Speaker 2: a little bit like, I don't want to be I'm

696
00:30:04,824 --> 00:30:07,344
Speaker 2: old fashioned or anything like that. I am like a

697
00:30:07,504 --> 00:30:09,584
Speaker 2: modern woman who pays for her own things. But it

698
00:30:09,704 --> 00:30:13,344
Speaker 2: is nice she if they too. Yeah, it's nice to ask.

699
00:30:13,184 --> 00:30:15,144
Speaker 3: To out because if I ask someone out on a

700
00:30:15,184 --> 00:30:18,504
Speaker 3: first date, fulling like I offer to pay, I'm like,

701
00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:20,224
Speaker 3: I asked you, thank you for coming.

702
00:30:20,984 --> 00:30:21,624
Speaker 1: I'm going to pay.

703
00:30:22,104 --> 00:30:25,344
Speaker 3: If he asked me, I would expect him to also offer,

704
00:30:25,544 --> 00:30:27,544
Speaker 3: but I'd also be prepared to split it.

705
00:30:27,944 --> 00:30:28,104
Speaker 7: Yeah.

706
00:30:28,144 --> 00:30:31,264
Speaker 2: I always offer, But if they're very much no, no, no, no,

707
00:30:31,384 --> 00:30:32,864
Speaker 2: like I asked you at it's on me, then you

708
00:30:33,264 --> 00:30:36,544
Speaker 2: very elegantly like, oh, thank you so much, drink it.

709
00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:38,904
Speaker 1: The list, I'm like, I think that is like, oh

710
00:30:38,944 --> 00:30:39,904
Speaker 1: you don't want to see me again?

711
00:30:40,864 --> 00:30:41,104
Speaker 5: Yeah.

712
00:30:41,384 --> 00:30:44,224
Speaker 2: Well, the only time I really really push on splitting

713
00:30:44,304 --> 00:30:45,584
Speaker 2: and is if you don't want to see them a

714
00:30:45,704 --> 00:30:47,304
Speaker 2: hundred percent. I don't want them to poor me. I

715
00:30:47,344 --> 00:30:49,624
Speaker 2: don't want anything. I owe you anything, Yeah, exactly.

716
00:30:49,744 --> 00:30:51,184
Speaker 1: Sometimes I pay the full bill, just so.

717
00:30:53,024 --> 00:30:55,144
Speaker 2: Close to nothing. Nothing.

718
00:30:55,224 --> 00:31:00,184
Speaker 3: I think we need to sit her down together and

719
00:31:00,344 --> 00:31:01,584
Speaker 3: just like go through that whole list.

720
00:31:01,624 --> 00:31:02,784
Speaker 1: I need more information and be.

721
00:31:02,864 --> 00:31:05,424
Speaker 3: Like, let's fix all these problems. Yeah yeah, Ryan, you

722
00:31:05,504 --> 00:31:07,064
Speaker 3: stay there, We'll come to you.

723
00:31:07,464 --> 00:31:10,464
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get your side. My only note on this

724
00:31:10,624 --> 00:31:11,984
Speaker 2: is like, shouldn't the show pay?

725
00:31:14,264 --> 00:31:14,864
Speaker 7: Is it true?

726
00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:15,944
Speaker 4: What's the show?

727
00:31:16,144 --> 00:31:18,024
Speaker 2: The show is just like go with that cafe the

728
00:31:18,144 --> 00:31:20,264
Speaker 2: camera manner was seeing there. They're probably both sitting there

729
00:31:20,344 --> 00:31:22,824
Speaker 2: being like, well, surely we're not paying for this. Maybe

730
00:31:22,944 --> 00:31:24,064
Speaker 2: Ryan was like, oh, the.

731
00:31:24,064 --> 00:31:26,824
Speaker 3: Guys are paying, and then she was like, dear Diary,

732
00:31:27,304 --> 00:31:28,704
Speaker 3: I didn't pay for breakfast.

733
00:31:28,784 --> 00:31:29,984
Speaker 1: He made the cameraman pay.

734
00:31:30,584 --> 00:31:33,784
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of questions there, and so basically from

735
00:31:33,864 --> 00:31:35,904
Speaker 2: then on, you've seen like Jackie b one of the

736
00:31:35,944 --> 00:31:38,664
Speaker 2: more emotional people on the show, to the point where

737
00:31:38,784 --> 00:31:40,384
Speaker 2: they had the intruder wedding this week.

738
00:31:40,944 --> 00:31:42,944
Speaker 1: You see them, Oh, is that where newbies come in?

739
00:31:43,144 --> 00:31:45,584
Speaker 2: Yeah, new poor people came in and got married to

740
00:31:45,664 --> 00:31:48,504
Speaker 2: strangers and all the current contestants whore in the first

741
00:31:48,584 --> 00:31:50,664
Speaker 2: round had to go to the wedding, and all through

742
00:31:50,744 --> 00:31:53,624
Speaker 2: the wedding, Jackie is seeing crying again. It's hard to

743
00:31:53,664 --> 00:31:56,024
Speaker 2: sort of tell, like it looks like she's been like

744
00:31:56,304 --> 00:31:58,744
Speaker 2: crying hysterically at different parts of the sea.

745
00:31:58,624 --> 00:32:01,744
Speaker 3: Because she was so emotionally driven with the wedding over.

746
00:32:01,664 --> 00:32:03,824
Speaker 2: Just the situation with her and Ryan and what was happening.

747
00:32:03,864 --> 00:32:06,904
Speaker 2: But she's a lot of contestants, Yeah, we're calling her

748
00:32:06,944 --> 00:32:09,144
Speaker 2: out and being like, it's not your wedding, Like stop crying.

749
00:32:09,184 --> 00:32:10,944
Speaker 2: But again it's hard to tell like how much that's

750
00:32:10,984 --> 00:32:12,824
Speaker 2: been chopped up, and also what was said to her

751
00:32:12,904 --> 00:32:15,544
Speaker 2: off camera, all those sorts of things. But basically people

752
00:32:15,584 --> 00:32:19,304
Speaker 2: were saying she's too emotional, she's too dramatic, she's been

753
00:32:19,424 --> 00:32:21,824
Speaker 2: too hard on him. She is crazy, a lot of

754
00:32:21,824 --> 00:32:23,824
Speaker 2: people are saying, and also that she ruined these other

755
00:32:23,904 --> 00:32:27,024
Speaker 2: stranger's wedding by making their wedding reception about them. To that,

756
00:32:27,144 --> 00:32:29,264
Speaker 2: I would say, these people chose to get married or

757
00:32:29,264 --> 00:32:31,224
Speaker 2: married at first site, so they would expect that a crazy.

758
00:32:33,384 --> 00:32:35,024
Speaker 3: My god, there would be one of you doing that,

759
00:32:35,224 --> 00:32:38,464
Speaker 3: even Jackie, because she said that she genuinely wanted to

760
00:32:38,544 --> 00:32:41,544
Speaker 3: take part in this as like she genuinely wanted to

761
00:32:41,784 --> 00:32:43,784
Speaker 3: get married and find a husband and find the lover

762
00:32:43,824 --> 00:32:46,024
Speaker 3: of her life, and she wanted married to First Sight

763
00:32:46,104 --> 00:32:49,144
Speaker 3: to be more like a documentary style than this, And

764
00:32:49,224 --> 00:32:52,544
Speaker 3: I was like, just watch it, Just watch the show,

765
00:32:52,704 --> 00:32:55,144
Speaker 3: and you would know that there's no universe that would

766
00:32:55,144 --> 00:32:56,024
Speaker 3: have ever happened.

767
00:32:56,304 --> 00:32:57,424
Speaker 1: I know the hard thing.

768
00:32:57,504 --> 00:32:59,584
Speaker 2: I mean again not to defend people at the stage

769
00:32:59,624 --> 00:33:01,064
Speaker 2: of the game, because you should know what married at

770
00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:05,064
Speaker 2: first Sight is, But there are a sprinkling of couples

771
00:33:05,104 --> 00:33:07,424
Speaker 2: who find their person and get married to them, and

772
00:33:07,464 --> 00:33:09,024
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people go in thinking like

773
00:33:09,184 --> 00:33:11,104
Speaker 2: I'm going to be that one, Like I'm going to

774
00:33:11,144 --> 00:33:13,344
Speaker 2: be the one who gets matched with someone who I

775
00:33:13,504 --> 00:33:15,744
Speaker 2: have like a great relationship with like I think a

776
00:33:15,784 --> 00:33:17,464
Speaker 2: few of the people on the show do have that

777
00:33:17,584 --> 00:33:20,144
Speaker 2: in the back of their mind. So the other interesting

778
00:33:20,184 --> 00:33:22,264
Speaker 2: thing about Jackie is that she went rogue on her

779
00:33:22,384 --> 00:33:24,264
Speaker 2: Instagram the other day and did a Q and A

780
00:33:24,984 --> 00:33:29,984
Speaker 2: and was that no. So I'm sure she got in trouble,

781
00:33:30,024 --> 00:33:32,304
Speaker 2: but she was like, I'm just gonna push forward and

782
00:33:32,384 --> 00:33:34,664
Speaker 2: do this to answer a lot of questions. Obviously, this

783
00:33:34,824 --> 00:33:37,424
Speaker 2: was filmed such a long time ago, and now you're

784
00:33:37,464 --> 00:33:39,744
Speaker 2: watching it back and you're seeing how the public's reacting,

785
00:33:39,824 --> 00:33:40,504
Speaker 2: and you're watching.

786
00:33:40,384 --> 00:33:42,944
Speaker 3: Everyone belittle you and call you name yeah, and.

787
00:33:44,464 --> 00:33:46,784
Speaker 1: Being like, I know, I've had an experience.

788
00:33:48,104 --> 00:33:49,824
Speaker 2: You and Jackie should form a club. Oh my god,

789
00:33:49,904 --> 00:33:55,184
Speaker 2: women who like flowers and TV. So a few of

790
00:33:55,224 --> 00:33:57,064
Speaker 2: the questions she answered that I thought were really important

791
00:33:57,064 --> 00:33:58,944
Speaker 2: to bring up here, just to get her perspective on

792
00:33:58,984 --> 00:34:01,824
Speaker 2: a few things, is that she got asked if her

793
00:34:01,944 --> 00:34:04,504
Speaker 2: crying is real. So the constant crying we're seeing on TV,

794
00:34:04,584 --> 00:34:05,744
Speaker 2: and that's the big thing I can.

795
00:34:05,664 --> 00:34:07,624
Speaker 1: Tell you, there's no way to fake that.

796
00:34:08,104 --> 00:34:09,624
Speaker 2: Well, that's what she's saying. She said, if I had

797
00:34:09,664 --> 00:34:11,944
Speaker 2: a dollar for every time someone her an army hammer,

798
00:34:15,944 --> 00:34:17,224
Speaker 2: they're both having dollars thrown.

799
00:34:17,384 --> 00:34:18,464
Speaker 1: A lot of dollars going around.

800
00:34:18,864 --> 00:34:20,744
Speaker 2: If I had a dollar for every time someone thought

801
00:34:20,824 --> 00:34:22,944
Speaker 2: my crying was fake, i'd be a millionaire right now.

802
00:34:23,264 --> 00:34:25,184
Speaker 2: But she said, I'm a cry baby. I cry all

803
00:34:25,224 --> 00:34:26,424
Speaker 2: the time. I just cry a lot.

804
00:34:26,544 --> 00:34:30,264
Speaker 1: That's it, And that's absolutely funny. Work in women's media.

805
00:34:30,744 --> 00:34:33,504
Speaker 1: Think it's a profession all the time. It's a professional workplace.

806
00:34:33,584 --> 00:34:35,904
Speaker 1: We're all crying all the time. And it could be crying.

807
00:34:35,944 --> 00:34:37,584
Speaker 2: Could be they put the wrong milk in my coffee

808
00:34:37,584 --> 00:34:39,024
Speaker 2: and I saw someone cry by that the other day.

809
00:34:39,504 --> 00:34:41,184
Speaker 2: Someone took my lunch out of the fridge, saw someone

810
00:34:41,224 --> 00:34:43,784
Speaker 2: cry about that. Me this morning, where is my hand sanitizer?

811
00:34:43,864 --> 00:34:44,464
Speaker 1: Couldn't find it.

812
00:34:46,344 --> 00:34:48,544
Speaker 2: We're all very emotional, and you know what, that's okay fine.

813
00:34:48,944 --> 00:34:50,744
Speaker 2: The other thing she was getting called out for was

814
00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:53,904
Speaker 2: wearing a blue dress to her fake wedding, because I would.

815
00:34:53,664 --> 00:34:54,144
Speaker 1: Like her dress.

816
00:34:54,144 --> 00:34:55,624
Speaker 3: I was actually just going to about to say, my

817
00:34:55,704 --> 00:34:57,184
Speaker 3: favorite part about their wedding was.

818
00:34:57,184 --> 00:34:59,504
Speaker 2: Actually a lot of people like, was she trying to

819
00:34:59,584 --> 00:35:01,624
Speaker 2: stand out, She's trying to be quirky, She's trying to

820
00:35:01,664 --> 00:35:03,144
Speaker 2: do this and that, like all these others.

821
00:35:03,384 --> 00:35:05,424
Speaker 3: There's a blue dress to their wedding to stand out.

822
00:35:05,624 --> 00:35:07,264
Speaker 3: That's the whole purpose of the white dress.

823
00:35:08,024 --> 00:35:09,784
Speaker 2: Well, she just said she tried on a bunch of

824
00:35:09,824 --> 00:35:12,904
Speaker 2: white wedding dresses and then this is actually really sad,

825
00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:15,624
Speaker 2: and I think really good context for how she's feeling

826
00:35:15,664 --> 00:35:17,744
Speaker 2: on the show is that she was trying on wedding dresses.

827
00:35:18,184 --> 00:35:21,104
Speaker 2: She said she started crying because she felt really sad,

828
00:35:21,824 --> 00:35:23,784
Speaker 2: and then she said, I didn't want it to feel

829
00:35:23,864 --> 00:35:26,264
Speaker 2: like my actual wedding because I knew it was a

830
00:35:26,304 --> 00:35:30,064
Speaker 2: TV wedding. So even now she's further ahead than previous contestants,

831
00:35:30,304 --> 00:35:31,944
Speaker 2: she's like, I knew it was a TV wedding, and

832
00:35:32,024 --> 00:35:33,944
Speaker 2: I thought, how can I make this really fun? And

833
00:35:33,984 --> 00:35:35,824
Speaker 2: so I thought, let's wear a different color dress so

834
00:35:35,864 --> 00:35:38,424
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel real, which I think is that kind

835
00:35:38,424 --> 00:35:41,264
Speaker 2: of makes sense. That's also very just like mentally safe

836
00:35:41,304 --> 00:35:43,264
Speaker 2: and self away toy, like this isn't a real thing.

837
00:35:43,344 --> 00:35:45,864
Speaker 2: I'm going to like protect myself, but also just I

838
00:35:45,904 --> 00:35:48,824
Speaker 2: think very indicative of her emotional state where she's still

839
00:35:48,904 --> 00:35:51,624
Speaker 2: really dreaming about that big, real wedding day and she

840
00:35:51,704 --> 00:35:54,704
Speaker 2: didn't want this experience to taint that in any way.

841
00:35:55,064 --> 00:35:57,744
Speaker 1: Yeah, the other thing I'm sad.

842
00:35:58,144 --> 00:36:00,144
Speaker 2: The other thing I found this really interesting is like,

843
00:36:00,304 --> 00:36:02,584
Speaker 2: on one hand, if this edit had been shown a

844
00:36:02,624 --> 00:36:05,384
Speaker 2: few years ago, I think of the quote unquote like

845
00:36:05,464 --> 00:36:07,944
Speaker 2: crazy woman, people would have just jumped on her and

846
00:36:08,064 --> 00:36:09,704
Speaker 2: attacked her and she would have been a meme.

847
00:36:09,984 --> 00:36:11,664
Speaker 1: And we saw that with Avi Chatfield.

848
00:36:11,744 --> 00:36:14,024
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, the crazy woman. It's happened to so many

849
00:36:14,104 --> 00:36:16,744
Speaker 2: MATHS contestants in the past, and this time that's happening

850
00:36:16,824 --> 00:36:19,744
Speaker 2: to an extent, but not as much where some people

851
00:36:19,824 --> 00:36:21,904
Speaker 2: are being like, let's take a second, let's think about

852
00:36:21,904 --> 00:36:23,784
Speaker 2: the edit. Let's think about what this woman's going through

853
00:36:23,944 --> 00:36:26,744
Speaker 2: and not like drag her across the cold so being crazy.

854
00:36:27,264 --> 00:36:30,744
Speaker 2: But the other thing is so many people, particularly on TikTok,

855
00:36:31,144 --> 00:36:34,344
Speaker 2: have diagnosed her as being on the autism spectrum.

856
00:36:34,704 --> 00:36:36,024
Speaker 1: You can't do that, no, I know.

857
00:36:36,224 --> 00:36:38,304
Speaker 2: And the thing is like I understand some people are

858
00:36:38,384 --> 00:36:40,184
Speaker 2: trying to like do it from a good place and

859
00:36:40,264 --> 00:36:42,064
Speaker 2: not excusing it at all, But I think some people

860
00:36:42,104 --> 00:36:43,904
Speaker 2: saying like, let's take a moment and just think, like,

861
00:36:44,104 --> 00:36:46,264
Speaker 2: you know, many people are on the spectrum in different ways.

862
00:36:46,344 --> 00:36:47,744
Speaker 2: A lot of people have spent a lot of time

863
00:36:47,984 --> 00:36:51,904
Speaker 2: educating the community with their diagnosis about how their behavior

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Speaker 2: might be different, or how like their way of speaking

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Speaker 2: or interacting with people might be different because they're on

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Speaker 2: the spectrum. And I think it's very good to be aware,

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Speaker 2: like because previously with people on the autism spectrum, a

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Speaker 2: lot of the time they would just be written off

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Speaker 2: as like, oh, they can't interact with people, or they're crazy,

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Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. So I think there's that

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Speaker 2: level of awareness just because someone acting differently doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: that they're a bad person.

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Speaker 1: But also pretty.

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Speaker 2: Intense to put a whole diagnosis on a woman who

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Speaker 2: has never said that she is going to talk about

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Speaker 2: that or hasard anyway. So she addressed that in the

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Speaker 2: Q and A, and she said, personally, I don't think

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Speaker 2: I'm autistic. I've never been diagnosed. Then she said, maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm autistic, maybe I'm undiagnosed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: The fact that she even had to address that is

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Speaker 3: so sad because even though it is reality TV, it's

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Speaker 3: still a show, like there's still production, they're still editing,

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Speaker 3: Like so much goes into that that you're essentially diagnosing

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Speaker 3: a character of a person you're not actually.

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Speaker 2: At that you're saying, I think that I've seen it

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Speaker 2: on and I get it in a nice way. I've

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Speaker 2: seen some people be especially on TikTok and stuff, which

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Speaker 2: obviously isn't the place we making these assumptions. But I've

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Speaker 2: seen people say like, hey, just give this woman a break,

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Speaker 2: like she's obviously on the spectrum, she's autistic, we need

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Speaker 2: to give her space. And while I think that that's

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Speaker 2: a general nice way of thinking to just be giving

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Speaker 2: people space.

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Speaker 1: Leave the autistic part out, it's not true.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot to say this woman is autistic when

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Speaker 2: she has never said that, and now that story has

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Speaker 2: kind of run away and people are just assuming it.

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Speaker 2: So I also think that's a bit to get troubling.

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Speaker 2: Like good to be good, to be like mindful of others,

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Speaker 2: but putting a label on someone when they haven't said

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Speaker 2: it themselves maybe not great.

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