WEBVTT - Kate Ritchie Knows She’s “Not Ok”, Thanks 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.342 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:20.061 that this podcast is recorded on labia majora. 0:00:20.182 --> 0:00:22.742 So majora is the outside, Monora is inside. And you're 0:00:22.782 --> 0:00:24.701 telling me that I'm gonna lose anything. 0:00:24.741 --> 0:00:27.582 When you say outside, do you mean lips or do 0:00:27.622 --> 0:00:30.422 you mean outside flaps and inside flaps? 0:00:30.502 --> 0:00:33.662 I mean outside flaps majora, inside flaps and manora cor. 0:00:33.742 --> 0:00:35.622 And then plus lips are a different thing. What are 0:00:35.622 --> 0:00:36.022 they called? 0:00:36.062 --> 0:00:36.181 What? 0:00:36.942 --> 0:00:37.262 I don't know? 0:00:37.462 --> 0:00:39.461 You have three sets? 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And other 0:01:15.422 --> 0:01:18.142 things menopausal women should shut the hell up about, according 0:01:18.142 --> 0:01:21.862 to a viral column in this weekend's Papers, and Princess 0:01:21.902 --> 0:01:25.982 Catherine's epic act of micro pettiness. But first, Miya has 0:01:26.022 --> 0:01:28.782 an urgent update for us from the Grammy's Red Carpet look. 0:01:28.782 --> 0:01:31.662 I actually think it's incredibly sad and disturbing, which are 0:01:31.662 --> 0:01:34.301 not usually words that you would associate with a red 0:01:34.382 --> 0:01:37.542 carpet at a major awards show. But in case you 0:01:37.582 --> 0:01:41.262 have missed it, Bianker Sensori, who is an Australian architect 0:01:41.262 --> 0:01:44.622 and model. She's thirty years old and is married to 0:01:44.742 --> 0:01:49.022 Kanye West. They met when she was head of architecture 0:01:49.222 --> 0:01:51.782 at Yeasy and I don't think we've spoken about it 0:01:51.822 --> 0:01:55.022 much on the show, but increasingly over the time they've 0:01:55.022 --> 0:01:59.702 been together, he parades her essentially like a naked trophy 0:01:59.742 --> 0:02:03.862 in public, where he is sometimes wearing a mask, sometimes 0:02:03.902 --> 0:02:06.822 he's fully covered, and she's always almost naked or naked. 0:02:06.902 --> 0:02:09.902 They've appeared on The Grammy's Red Carpet and she is 0:02:09.942 --> 0:02:13.982 actually naked. She's wearing this tiny, sheer little thing but 0:02:14.061 --> 0:02:15.982 with nothing on it. You can see full badge, full 0:02:15.982 --> 0:02:16.782 bumful boobs. 0:02:16.781 --> 0:02:18.902 We'll post a picture on the Mummy or out loud 0:02:18.902 --> 0:02:21.062 Instagram so that you can see what we're talking about. 0:02:21.102 --> 0:02:24.022 But when you say she's full, like, do you think 0:02:24.022 --> 0:02:26.702 she's got something kind of see through over the she. 0:02:26.862 --> 0:02:31.342 Does, so it's like, imagine something completely clear, just you 0:02:31.342 --> 0:02:32.542 can see full vadge. 0:02:32.542 --> 0:02:34.862 Oh can you keep she doesn't have pews. 0:02:34.982 --> 0:02:36.982 This is the only picture you're going to see from 0:02:36.982 --> 0:02:38.781 the Grammy's Red Carpets. Stay. We talk a lot about 0:02:38.822 --> 0:02:41.982 the attention economy. That is what's going on here is 0:02:41.982 --> 0:02:44.702 They're like, look, there's a naked lady on the red carpet, 0:02:44.742 --> 0:02:48.222 and I was really upset about it, and then I 0:02:48.262 --> 0:02:50.501 remembered I've already seen her naked so many times. I 0:02:50.542 --> 0:02:51.941 think I know what she had for breakfast. 0:02:52.102 --> 0:02:54.422 Yeah, it's pretty what's Kanye West wearing next her? 0:02:54.502 --> 0:02:56.781 He's wearing a black T shirt, black pants, he always 0:02:56.782 --> 0:03:00.662 wears that, and sunglasses. They both look pretty miserable. He 0:03:00.702 --> 0:03:04.341 always looks very pouty. His mental health has been said 0:03:04.422 --> 0:03:06.781 to be questionable, but a lot of things about him 0:03:06.982 --> 0:03:09.462 are very questionable, and a lot of people have mental 0:03:09.582 --> 0:03:11.302 health issues and don't behave like Kanye waste. 0:03:11.342 --> 0:03:13.702 You think there's a dress code like an airport lounge. 0:03:13.822 --> 0:03:16.181 Well, there's been a lot of naked red carpets over 0:03:16.222 --> 0:03:18.502 the years. This makes them look quaint, do you remember, 0:03:18.622 --> 0:03:21.102 I think it was Rose McGowan once it turned up 0:03:21.542 --> 0:03:24.462 in just a few tassels and a beaded g stream that. 0:03:24.822 --> 0:03:26.022 Our line was nipples. 0:03:26.102 --> 0:03:28.862 So there are reports that they weren't even invited to 0:03:28.942 --> 0:03:31.382 the Grammys, which Kanye makes a habit of getting on 0:03:31.662 --> 0:03:33.982 stage and doing things when he's not invited. Remember this 0:03:34.022 --> 0:03:37.742 is famously where he went and harassed Taylor Swift and 0:03:37.822 --> 0:03:39.582 got on stage and said that Beyonce should have won. 0:03:39.902 --> 0:03:43.742 Bianco Sensori and Kanye were reportedly asked to leave after 0:03:43.782 --> 0:03:46.902 the red carpet. Well, we know that the more nude 0:03:46.902 --> 0:03:50.222 you are, the more attention you get, right because, as 0:03:50.262 --> 0:03:52.622 Holly said, we're in an attention economy, and they're the 0:03:52.702 --> 0:03:55.782 rules of the red carpet. But there's something very sinister 0:03:55.902 --> 0:03:59.262 about this because she's not there by herself, She's never 0:03:59.302 --> 0:04:04.422 photographed alone. She's always there as his dole doll. 0:04:04.822 --> 0:04:06.342 You know, there are rumors. 0:04:05.982 --> 0:04:09.262 That he locks up her clothes at home, doesn't let 0:04:09.302 --> 0:04:12.222 her wear clothes. It appears to be a very coercive 0:04:12.222 --> 0:04:14.542 and controlling relationship. Of course, we don't know because she 0:04:14.582 --> 0:04:18.902 hasn't said anything. Maybe she really enjoys it. We probably 0:04:18.942 --> 0:04:22.541 won't know until down the track. This is something that 0:04:22.582 --> 0:04:25.061 he did in a slightly different way with Kim Kardashian. 0:04:25.222 --> 0:04:27.462 She was very much mocked for her lack of style. 0:04:27.582 --> 0:04:30.901 She well, like body condresses. The Kardashians didn't really have style. 0:04:30.941 --> 0:04:33.421 And when he got together with her, he quite famously 0:04:33.462 --> 0:04:37.301 started dressing her in, you know, designer clothes, and she 0:04:37.342 --> 0:04:40.541 appeared to be quite complicit in that. And interestingly, since 0:04:40.582 --> 0:04:44.181 they ended their marriage, she's continued to dress in ways 0:04:44.181 --> 0:04:46.861 that aren't dissimilar to that. And what he did is 0:04:46.902 --> 0:04:50.022 sort of transform her into a bit of a fashion 0:04:50.181 --> 0:04:51.942 icon and someone who could then be on the cover 0:04:51.981 --> 0:04:54.061 of Vogue. But this is very different because it's never 0:04:54.101 --> 0:04:58.022 about the clothes, it's about her naked body. Yeah, and 0:04:58.342 --> 0:05:00.941 you might remember when he briefly dated Julia Fox. She 0:05:01.061 --> 0:05:03.502 said that on their date they went out to dinner 0:05:03.541 --> 0:05:05.421 and then he took her to this he wanted to 0:05:05.462 --> 0:05:07.262 throw away all her clothes and then he took her 0:05:07.301 --> 0:05:09.942 to this room where there were lots of clothes to wear. 0:05:10.022 --> 0:05:13.342 So he's clearly a very controlling person, and I just 0:05:14.142 --> 0:05:16.061 I don't want to be condescending and not give her 0:05:16.142 --> 0:05:18.501 agency or power, but I find. 0:05:18.342 --> 0:05:19.261 It very disturbing. 0:05:20.342 --> 0:05:22.821 Of course, there are many other looks on the red 0:05:22.861 --> 0:05:26.341 carpet apart from this, involve actual clothes, that involve actual clothes, 0:05:26.381 --> 0:05:28.062 And of course some people are actually going to get 0:05:28.142 --> 0:05:31.261 awards tonight for things that they have done and songs 0:05:31.301 --> 0:05:32.662 they have sung, rather than. 0:05:33.101 --> 0:05:34.462 Their bodies or their clothes. 0:05:34.541 --> 0:05:37.622 So we will be doing a full Grammys recap tomorrow 0:05:37.821 --> 0:05:39.621 on our Tuesday episode. 0:05:40.181 --> 0:05:42.501 The splash on the front of The Daily Mail on 0:05:42.582 --> 0:05:44.941 Friday was of a woman sitting on the grass in 0:05:44.941 --> 0:05:48.181 a Sydney park, apparently crying as she talks into her phone. 0:05:48.662 --> 0:05:50.861 Her car is idling thereby. Her child is in the 0:05:50.861 --> 0:05:54.621 passenger seat. The report that accompanies the pictures says that 0:05:54.981 --> 0:05:57.181 not long before, she had visited a bottle shop and 0:05:57.222 --> 0:05:59.782 went to pick up her daughter from school. All of 0:05:59.782 --> 0:06:02.662 this is reported in detail. That's confusing unless you know 0:06:02.702 --> 0:06:05.422 the context. The context is that the woman was one 0:06:05.421 --> 0:06:08.261 of Australia's most famous and beloved actors and presenters, Kate 0:06:08.342 --> 0:06:10.821 Ritchie and she won I was most likely being followed 0:06:10.821 --> 0:06:13.022 by a photographer because earlier in the week she had 0:06:13.061 --> 0:06:17.061 delayed returning to her job on breakfast Radio. Now since 0:06:17.142 --> 0:06:20.782 that happened, the story has kept rolling. Over the weekend, 0:06:20.861 --> 0:06:24.061 the Male had pictures of all her team visiting her 0:06:24.381 --> 0:06:27.222 at her home, presumably to decide what they were going 0:06:27.262 --> 0:06:29.142 to say and how they were going to address these images. 0:06:29.222 --> 0:06:32.462 If ever, the Male kept reporting it. The so called 0:06:32.501 --> 0:06:36.222 bombshell bottle shop photos, as they said, were published because 0:06:36.262 --> 0:06:38.541 they know that Kate is a woman who has before 0:06:38.621 --> 0:06:43.182 spoken about her issues with alcohol. Jesse, as we went 0:06:43.222 --> 0:06:46.141 into the studio today, Kate Richie released a statement about 0:06:46.142 --> 0:06:47.702 what's going on with her. What did she say? 0:06:48.022 --> 0:06:51.182 Her statement reads, I struggle with mental health issues at 0:06:51.222 --> 0:06:53.861 times which are deeply personal. This has proven to be 0:06:53.902 --> 0:06:56.942 a bigger challenge than I imagined, so I've decided to take 0:06:56.941 --> 0:06:58.902 a break from the show and the team who I 0:06:58.941 --> 0:07:01.541 love to focus on my health. I want to thank 0:07:01.741 --> 0:07:03.582 all of those who are helping me through this very 0:07:03.621 --> 0:07:06.021 difficult time. I love you. Thank you Noba for being 0:07:06.022 --> 0:07:08.861 there when I need you. This is also a problem 0:07:09.022 --> 0:07:11.782 many other are struggling with. They know what it's like. 0:07:12.222 --> 0:07:15.102 The images of me taken last week show that I 0:07:15.262 --> 0:07:18.542 wasn't okay on that day. My struggle is not helped 0:07:18.582 --> 0:07:21.862 by the relentless stalking of me by the paparazzi. In fact, 0:07:21.902 --> 0:07:25.342 they are making it much worse due to their constant harassment. 0:07:25.422 --> 0:07:29.102 They significantly add pressure and make my recovery that much 0:07:29.142 --> 0:07:33.062 more difficult to those profiting from invading my privacy. A 0:07:33.142 --> 0:07:37.102 simple question, would you treat, say, your sister, mother, or 0:07:37.222 --> 0:07:41.862 daughter the same if they had similar challenges? Please reconsider 0:07:41.941 --> 0:07:44.222 and stop and think of the harm you are inflicting 0:07:44.502 --> 0:07:47.662 and give me the space and privacy I need. Thank 0:07:47.702 --> 0:07:49.982 you to my wonderful family, all the NOVA listeners and 0:07:50.022 --> 0:07:52.302 many others who are sending their love and support. I 0:07:52.302 --> 0:07:54.942 appreciate it more than you can imagine. Thank you, Kate. 0:07:55.502 --> 0:07:58.102 Such a great statement, I think because the thing that's 0:07:58.142 --> 0:08:01.262 interesting about this is the justification for running those kind 0:08:01.342 --> 0:08:04.942 of images, And perhaps the reaction that the male we're 0:08:04.982 --> 0:08:08.262 expecting is that it's a gotcha, like, look at this 0:08:08.422 --> 0:08:12.862 famous woman out of control in public. She clearly hasn't 0:08:12.862 --> 0:08:15.262 dealt with her demons. We know that Kate has been 0:08:15.302 --> 0:08:18.582 fined in twenty twenty two for DUI. She has spoken 0:08:18.622 --> 0:08:21.542 publicly about her struggles with alcohol before. There was another 0:08:21.542 --> 0:08:23.782 incident late last year that never made it to court 0:08:23.862 --> 0:08:26.381 or anything, but the male reported about her in a 0:08:26.422 --> 0:08:29.542 traffic incident at a school. The thing is is that 0:08:29.582 --> 0:08:32.381 the Internet didn't really respond with that kind of glee. 0:08:32.422 --> 0:08:35.302 They mostly showed the kind of empathy that Kate's asking 0:08:35.342 --> 0:08:36.582 for in that statement right. 0:08:36.822 --> 0:08:40.262 In fact, the statement is really telling because she is 0:08:40.342 --> 0:08:43.502 saying the paparazzi are making it worse. And what I 0:08:43.702 --> 0:08:47.822 found over the weekend on TikTok and then Constance Hall, 0:08:47.862 --> 0:08:51.542 who has one point five million followers on Facebook, one 0:08:51.662 --> 0:08:55.182 hundred percent empathy is what I saw. It was like 0:08:55.502 --> 0:08:59.622 we were being baited to shame this woman, and our 0:08:59.662 --> 0:09:03.822 instincts to shame a mother, which are often particularly strong. 0:09:04.022 --> 0:09:07.782 Yeah, I saw some pushback, and I think it's worth 0:09:08.582 --> 0:09:11.462 pointing out. And you know, obviously we stand our love 0:09:11.542 --> 0:09:13.902 to Kate and to anyone who's going through this. 0:09:14.742 --> 0:09:17.062 And I don't know anyone who. 0:09:17.542 --> 0:09:20.622 Looked at those pictures or that video, and a lot 0:09:20.702 --> 0:09:24.422 of people did and didn't feel a bit sick that 0:09:24.502 --> 0:09:27.622 they were even looking at it, and then didn't feel 0:09:27.662 --> 0:09:33.142 overwhelmingly sad and sorry for her. I think, though, there 0:09:33.142 --> 0:09:35.902 are two things that complicate this a little bit that 0:09:35.942 --> 0:09:38.702 some people were talking about, and that is that she 0:09:39.182 --> 0:09:42.302 was driving with her child in the car, and that 0:09:42.382 --> 0:09:45.382 she was on a public road, and we don't know 0:09:45.942 --> 0:09:50.462 whether she was affected by substances, but as she says herself, 0:09:50.502 --> 0:09:54.502 she was clearly distressed and not in good shape, and 0:09:54.542 --> 0:09:56.662 she stumbled as she went to get in the car. 0:09:56.942 --> 0:10:01.182 And some people have said, why didn't the photographers intervene? 0:10:01.222 --> 0:10:03.462 Why didn't they either prevent her from getting in the car. 0:10:03.542 --> 0:10:05.502 Why didn't they see if she was okay? Why didn't 0:10:05.542 --> 0:10:08.902 they offer to call an uber. I don't think shaming 0:10:08.982 --> 0:10:13.021 is ever the answer, because it was very much designed 0:10:13.582 --> 0:10:16.382 for people to judge. I mean, that's what paparazzi shots are. 0:10:16.422 --> 0:10:18.622 That's the business model of the Daily Mail, right. Yeah, 0:10:18.622 --> 0:10:21.862 And interestingly, even all the Daily Mail comments will surprisingly lovely. 0:10:22.222 --> 0:10:24.662 But what do we do with that the fact that 0:10:25.382 --> 0:10:27.902 as a society we want people to get help, We 0:10:27.982 --> 0:10:31.462 absolutely do, but we also don't want them on our roads, 0:10:31.502 --> 0:10:33.062 but also driving children. 0:10:33.182 --> 0:10:34.702 What did they do to stop? 0:10:34.782 --> 0:10:37.742 Yeah? Exactly. The whole world doesn't need to know about that, 0:10:37.822 --> 0:10:39.622 do you know what? I mean? They could have if 0:10:39.622 --> 0:10:42.422 we're concerned about road safety, that's one issue, and maybe 0:10:42.422 --> 0:10:44.102 stop the woman from getting in the car, or call 0:10:44.182 --> 0:10:46.902 the police or whatever. Does the nation yet to know, 0:10:47.342 --> 0:10:50.782 like does that worldwide humiliation help? Is it going to 0:10:50.862 --> 0:10:52.822 push anybody direct? 0:10:52.942 --> 0:10:56.742 Has been argued by some people, probably media organizations that 0:10:56.822 --> 0:11:01.702 ran this is that by surfacing those photos, an intervention 0:11:01.862 --> 0:11:06.422 clearly happens. This is I'm not saying that I agree 0:11:06.462 --> 0:11:08.622 with this, but that they were doing a public service 0:11:09.102 --> 0:11:11.062 by bringing this to a head. 0:11:11.262 --> 0:11:14.342 Any evidence would tell you that this is not the 0:11:14.342 --> 0:11:17.102 way to go about it by media. No, but this 0:11:17.222 --> 0:11:20.702 is well, that's this is a lesson that we have 0:11:20.822 --> 0:11:24.422 learned a hundred times. And we've talked about the intense 0:11:25.022 --> 0:11:28.422 issues with the Internet and all its flaws. But to me, 0:11:28.622 --> 0:11:31.902 this was a moment where the Internet showed its power, 0:11:32.342 --> 0:11:36.102 which is that they were calling bullshit on this blatant 0:11:36.622 --> 0:11:40.662 cruelty and that we have seen Amy Winehouse, we have 0:11:40.822 --> 0:11:44.222 seen justin Bieber, we have seen Britney Spears. All of 0:11:44.222 --> 0:11:47.462 these people go down a certain road, and we have 0:11:47.622 --> 0:11:51.582 evolved in terms of our understanding of addiction. So shame 0:11:51.822 --> 0:11:57.422 and addiction are like magnets, and shame is one of 0:11:57.182 --> 0:12:02.382 the biggest hurdles to recovery. And that's what Kate talked 0:12:02.422 --> 0:12:05.022 about in that statement, was that you do not shame 0:12:05.142 --> 0:12:08.542 someone out of illness, you don't shame someone out of. 0:12:08.462 --> 0:12:12.822 Addiction, but sometimes you need to shame the people around 0:12:12.862 --> 0:12:15.822 them to take action to protect that person and to 0:12:15.902 --> 0:12:17.622 protect vulnerable people in their care. 0:12:18.022 --> 0:12:20.422 But I think that's disingenuous. Not from Eumia, but that 0:12:20.582 --> 0:12:23.142 argument is I think, no, I know, I know you're not, 0:12:23.422 --> 0:12:26.502 but I think it's a disingenuous argument because it presumes 0:12:26.542 --> 0:12:29.182 a lot of things. It presumes that there wasn't already 0:12:29.222 --> 0:12:31.862 a lot of steps in place for Kate to deal 0:12:31.902 --> 0:12:33.822 with what she's clearly dealing with. That that is why 0:12:33.862 --> 0:12:36.062 she wasn't at work in the first place, that she 0:12:36.102 --> 0:12:38.462 doesn't have people around her who are helping her. It 0:12:38.542 --> 0:12:41.942 presumes that, oh, well, the paparazzi stepped in and held 0:12:42.022 --> 0:12:45.062 up a mirror and Kate, Richie or and you know, 0:12:45.182 --> 0:12:48.261 you mentioned some other celebrity names there, Jesse, But there's 0:12:48.342 --> 0:12:50.942 much closer to home than that. I interviewed Julie Goodwin 0:12:51.142 --> 0:12:54.902 for mid This exact thing happened to her. She was 0:12:54.942 --> 0:12:58.502 struggling with an alcohol problem and she was busted for dui, 0:12:58.862 --> 0:13:01.742 and it was one of the many points along the 0:13:01.862 --> 0:13:04.782 road that definitely pushed her to get. 0:13:04.542 --> 0:13:07.782 Help, but not child in the car. 0:13:07.902 --> 0:13:11.102 But the public nature of it was not, in fact 0:13:11.102 --> 0:13:14.182 that pushed her down a much much darker mental health 0:13:14.262 --> 0:13:17.502 road that saw her suicidal. It's not that an addict 0:13:17.622 --> 0:13:20.382 or somebody struggling with mental health won't go that moment 0:13:20.542 --> 0:13:22.462 when I got in the car with my kid. That's 0:13:22.502 --> 0:13:24.342 not what happened with Julie Goodwin, and we don't know 0:13:24.342 --> 0:13:27.062 that's what happened here, but you know, in an addict's journey, 0:13:27.262 --> 0:13:29.542 that moment where I put myself in that danger and 0:13:29.542 --> 0:13:32.142 other people in danger was definitely one of the pivotal points, 0:13:32.422 --> 0:13:34.702 that moment where I had that fight with that person, 0:13:34.742 --> 0:13:37.342 that moment where I spent all my money, all those things, 0:13:37.382 --> 0:13:40.262 But the public shaming that he. 0:13:40.302 --> 0:13:42.702 Actually was so different to Kate Richie than it was 0:13:42.742 --> 0:13:44.262 to say mis Shelle bridges. 0:13:45.462 --> 0:13:48.062 A lot of public goodwill towards Kate Richie. I think 0:13:48.102 --> 0:13:49.102 people really love her. 0:13:49.262 --> 0:13:51.422 We've known her all like all her life, pretty much 0:13:51.462 --> 0:13:53.022 since she was for her. 0:13:53.262 --> 0:13:56.982 Yeah, and I do think that we have changed how 0:13:57.022 --> 0:13:58.742 we look at these stories. I've even noticed and this 0:13:58.822 --> 0:14:01.102 isn't about celebrity. But if you are walking down the 0:14:01.142 --> 0:14:04.422 street and someone is behaving in a way, maybe they're yelling, 0:14:04.462 --> 0:14:06.502 maybe they're having an episode, maybe they're having a moment. 0:14:07.102 --> 0:14:10.182 Ten years ago, I would see people pull their phones 0:14:10.182 --> 0:14:14.661 out and there was this instinct to just film. Right recently, 0:14:14.702 --> 0:14:16.582 I was walking down the street and that moment happened, 0:14:16.582 --> 0:14:18.262 and I saw someone do it, and I saw someone 0:14:18.262 --> 0:14:21.222 else say put it away. I reckon that we have 0:14:21.422 --> 0:14:24.782 this broader public understanding that that is not how we 0:14:24.862 --> 0:14:31.102 behave that there is something morally degenerate, disgusting and virtuous 0:14:31.142 --> 0:14:33.622 about that kind of behavior, and it's undignified. It's not 0:14:33.662 --> 0:14:36.822 giving dignity to the person that you're filming. So if 0:14:36.862 --> 0:14:40.982 I saw someone getting in the car and they were intoxicated, 0:14:41.862 --> 0:14:44.662 I might called police. I might, but I wouldn't get 0:14:44.662 --> 0:14:46.502 my phone out because that's not how. 0:14:47.622 --> 0:14:50.622 That's not your that's not your business model. Kate, If 0:14:50.622 --> 0:14:53.342 you are listening and to anyone who is struggling at 0:14:53.342 --> 0:14:56.142 the moment, we send love and we're rooting for you. 0:14:56.422 --> 0:14:58.622 And if you or someone you know is struggling, we 0:14:58.622 --> 0:15:01.742 will pop some resources and links in the show notes. 0:15:05.622 --> 0:15:09.342 Have you checked on your labbier lately because it might 0:15:09.382 --> 0:15:10.382 not be there anymore. 0:15:10.502 --> 0:15:11.302 Yes, this. 0:15:14.022 --> 0:15:15.662 Is CSI labia. 0:15:15.822 --> 0:15:21.022 Apparently, the disappearing labbier is a menopausal symptom that affects 0:15:21.102 --> 0:15:22.702 up to eighty five percent of women. 0:15:23.382 --> 0:15:26.102 But hardly anyone's talking about it. Maybe we didn't notice. 0:15:26.142 --> 0:15:28.222 Okay, wait, the same you can hear is everyone putting 0:15:28.222 --> 0:15:28.982 their hand in their path? 0:15:29.942 --> 0:15:31.462 May have you checked your labby recently? 0:15:31.502 --> 0:15:32.102 Well, hang on. 0:15:33.782 --> 0:15:34.382 Your hands. 0:15:34.422 --> 0:15:35.542 We are in a public space. 0:15:35.942 --> 0:15:38.662 Well it's still there, I think, Holly, have you checked 0:15:38.662 --> 0:15:40.902 your But the other thing. 0:15:40.822 --> 0:15:41.702 Is, you know there's two types. 0:15:41.742 --> 0:15:45.662 There's the manora and the minordia majora MAJORA. I don't 0:15:45.662 --> 0:15:49.382 even know the name. Okay, have you heard the catchy 0:15:49.382 --> 0:15:49.902 little song? 0:15:50.102 --> 0:15:50.702 Have A listened to? 0:15:50.782 --> 0:15:50.822 This? 0:15:58.222 --> 0:16:00.022 Side labia majora? 0:16:00.182 --> 0:16:02.782 So majora is the outside? Manora is inside, and you're 0:16:02.782 --> 0:16:04.622 telling me that I'm gonna lose. 0:16:05.062 --> 0:16:07.902 When you say outside, do you mean lips or do 0:16:07.942 --> 0:16:10.742 you mean outside flaps and inside flaps? 0:16:10.822 --> 0:16:14.022 I mean outside flaps and majora inside flaps of manora? Right? 0:16:14.062 --> 0:16:15.942 And then plus lips are a different thing. What are 0:16:15.942 --> 0:16:17.622 they called? What? I don't know? 0:16:17.782 --> 0:16:19.782 You have three sets? No, you have to go to 0:16:19.822 --> 0:16:20.782 the doc bar of. 0:16:20.662 --> 0:16:21.582 Course mia has more. 0:16:22.902 --> 0:16:24.022 I'm at top of the lab. 0:16:24.462 --> 0:16:26.422 You're not meant to have three la You're only meant 0:16:26.422 --> 0:16:26.982 to have two. 0:16:26.902 --> 0:16:28.702 Anyway during menopause. 0:16:28.742 --> 0:16:30.462 Apparently, did you grow an extra pair? 0:16:30.542 --> 0:16:31.062 I could have. 0:16:32.462 --> 0:16:37.182 Dropping estrogen levels. Unlikely because too much estrogen. 0:16:38.102 --> 0:16:42.502 That is, so you take anyone else have eight labia? 0:16:42.542 --> 0:16:45.702 No, But apparently both the inner and the outer lips 0:16:45.702 --> 0:16:48.502 of the vulver can literally shrink and in some cases 0:16:48.542 --> 0:16:50.902 completely disappear, and it can start as early as your 0:16:50.902 --> 0:16:54.462 thirties or your forties, just keeps coming. The medical term 0:16:54.702 --> 0:16:58.182 is vaginal atrophy and it comes with some not so 0:16:58.302 --> 0:17:02.022 fun effects like dryna's itching and painful sex. But here's 0:17:02.062 --> 0:17:04.942 the thing, apparently you don't have to just cop it. 0:17:05.142 --> 0:17:08.902 There are treatments available are from over the counter moisturizers 0:17:08.902 --> 0:17:10.462 to prescription istrogen cree. 0:17:10.502 --> 0:17:12.381 Because gen X women stood up and they said, not 0:17:12.742 --> 0:17:18.061 our lips. You can take everything, but not our minora. 0:17:18.861 --> 0:17:22.422 When it comes to Perry menopause and menopause, there's one 0:17:22.462 --> 0:17:25.901 woman who would like you all to say less. And 0:17:25.942 --> 0:17:29.782 that woman is not me. Despite speaking about your lobbyers, 0:17:29.782 --> 0:17:32.421 before I'd even had my coffee on a Monday morning, 0:17:33.262 --> 0:17:36.221 I welcome the chats as I'm a lovely person. 0:17:36.542 --> 0:17:38.221 As it's also coming for you, my friend. 0:17:38.502 --> 0:17:42.941 Yes, I'm not for a long time. 0:17:42.982 --> 0:17:47.542 Hold onto your lobby disappear. We could start your thirties listening. 0:17:47.821 --> 0:17:50.181 I stumbled across this article in The Australian over the 0:17:50.182 --> 0:17:53.581 weekend by Sasha Callahan about how we are treating menopause 0:17:53.782 --> 0:17:56.821 like an enemy to be defeated. But at what point 0:17:56.861 --> 0:17:59.461 do we just accept we're getting old and give. 0:17:59.381 --> 0:17:59.901 Up the fight? 0:18:01.262 --> 0:18:04.941 Callahan says, all women are talking about is this bloody 0:18:04.982 --> 0:18:07.821 menopause thing. You can't even open a bottle of rose 0:18:07.982 --> 0:18:09.381 without someone talking about their drivers. 0:18:09.861 --> 0:18:13.061 She argues, she's been to dinner with me and. 0:18:13.061 --> 0:18:16.101 Every ailment from anxiety to tiredness, to your skin changing 0:18:16.101 --> 0:18:19.542 to irritability is blamed on menopause. There's no more coming 0:18:19.542 --> 0:18:22.581 to terms with that. Apparently we instead have to, and 0:18:22.621 --> 0:18:25.982 this is a quote, put ourselves through a biochemical process 0:18:26.022 --> 0:18:28.502 of rejuvenation in the hope that we can hold off 0:18:28.502 --> 0:18:29.581 to kline and death. 0:18:30.061 --> 0:18:33.222 Is she talking about medication? Is she talking? Is hrt? 0:18:33.422 --> 0:18:34.422 Also? How old is she? 0:18:34.982 --> 0:18:37.182 I would like to know that information, but I didn't 0:18:37.182 --> 0:18:39.421 look it up because we play the ball, not the. 0:18:39.381 --> 0:18:42.061 Person need to up my hit because I want to 0:18:42.222 --> 0:18:42.901 swell her in. 0:18:43.262 --> 0:18:45.901 She says that Perry has become a case of self 0:18:45.942 --> 0:18:50.502 I D rather than anything recognizably medical. You say, you reckon, 0:18:50.542 --> 0:18:53.221 you're experiencing Perry, and the hormones will be described, and 0:18:53.341 --> 0:18:56.141 all this awareness raising is probably very welcomed by the 0:18:56.182 --> 0:19:02.302 manufacturers of HRT. You too seem irritable. Is it time 0:19:02.341 --> 0:19:04.622 you just accepted menopause and got on with. 0:19:04.621 --> 0:19:07.702 It down and accepted position? 0:19:07.861 --> 0:19:11.982 Because we're not fight It's not about fighting it right. 0:19:12.061 --> 0:19:14.982 She says that you know, you can't open a bottle 0:19:14.982 --> 0:19:17.221 of rose without someone talking about the driver vagina. I 0:19:17.262 --> 0:19:19.741 know lots of menopausal women who also feel a bit 0:19:19.782 --> 0:19:22.581 icky about that, about how intimate were expected to go. 0:19:22.702 --> 0:19:25.222 Now everybody like, what's going on with your vagina? What's 0:19:25.222 --> 0:19:27.101 going If that's not your thing, it doesn't have to 0:19:27.141 --> 0:19:29.782 be your thing. But the great thing about all this 0:19:30.182 --> 0:19:33.422 yapping that gen X has been doing is that for 0:19:33.462 --> 0:19:35.621 a long time, more than a third of women have 0:19:35.702 --> 0:19:39.461 had quite debilitating symptoms with all kinds of issues that 0:19:39.502 --> 0:19:41.581 related to their hormones, Perry and menopause, and we. 0:19:41.581 --> 0:19:43.742 Didn't even realize they were related to our hormone. We 0:19:43.782 --> 0:19:45.101 didn't just would have vagina was for. 0:19:45.381 --> 0:19:47.302 We thought we were losing it, we thought we were 0:19:47.341 --> 0:19:50.341