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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for your Face.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lee Campbell.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kelly mccaren.

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Speaker 2: Guess what, Kelly what? It's nearly October.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it's nearly my birthday month.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and then Halloween and then Christmas and Halloween.

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Speaker 2: I know you love Halloween.

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Speaker 1: She is very time to shine, even though I never

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Speaker 1: have time to.

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Speaker 2: Do make very good at sign if I make up,

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Speaker 2: but today, thankfully, and we're not gonna be talking about

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Speaker 2: blood and fangs. We do on a Monday.

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Speaker 3: On Mondays we answer your beauty questions, so maybe someone

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Speaker 3: does have a Halloween related question for Halloween. I'm pro Eliza.

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Speaker 3: I don't enjoy that sort of makeup at all. But

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Speaker 3: if you do have a question, please let us know.

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Speaker 3: You can email us you beauty at mamma mea dot com.

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Speaker 3: Are you You can slide into our dms or ask

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Speaker 3: in the Facebook group. I couldn't help, but wonder asked

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Speaker 3: me anything you ask many questions.

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Speaker 2: Later on in the episode, we're taking a trip down

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Speaker 2: memory lane talking about how getting older, or maybe just

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Speaker 2: changing decades, we're still young. Spring Chickens has changed the

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Speaker 2: way we do our makeup. But first, let's chat about skincare.

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Speaker 1: Jupes, let's talk about jupe speed.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about serums and creams. Let's talk about all

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Speaker 2: the good creams and the bad creams that.

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Speaker 1: May be in the same packaging.

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Speaker 3: Lauren has asked, Hey, Kelly and Lee might not be possible,

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Speaker 3: but I'm hoping you can help with some affordable dupes.

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Speaker 3: I'm always hearing about spendy skin products like skin suiticals,

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Speaker 3: ce for allic serum, La Mer Cream, De La Mer,

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Speaker 3: moisturizing cream, Touch of the Water Cream, Sunday Riley Good Jeans,

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Speaker 3: and of course anything from All Gustiness.

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Speaker 1: Better, Oh, especially the rich cream.

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Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with the before and afters for all of these,

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Speaker 1: Are there any dupes you.

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Speaker 2: Know of, Lauren put your phone down, Well, don't because

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Speaker 2: you probably listen to us. Before and after's are fantastic

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Speaker 2: good for makeup. I think skincare before and afters are

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Speaker 1: Often it's clear that the person's smiling a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Differently, lightings differently. Oh look, maybe they are great, but

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Speaker 2: there are other great products. We'll get to that, but

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Speaker 2: brand will choose their very very very very best before

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Speaker 2: So these products you mentioned are fantastic and are very

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Speaker 2: very expensive. Some of them I would not spend my

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Speaker 2: just a word on Jupes. I don't really believe in jupes.

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Speaker 2: But particularly with skincare, there's such complex recipes for lack

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Speaker 1: They definitely do not taste the same.

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Speaker 2: No, So you mentioned skin cuticle see effruic serum that

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Speaker 2: I love it, but there are plenty of other vitamin

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Speaker 2: Moisturizing Cream full price, twenty two ninety nine. You cannot

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Speaker 2: So if it's not urgent popping on there. So this

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Speaker 2: many times. It's the Ole Hendrickson Strength Trainer Peptide Boost moisturizer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they say the Nivia blue tins are dupe for Lamire.

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Speaker 2: My mum swears by La Maire and still buys it

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Speaker 2: don't have to spend all the money. Those products you

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Speaker 3: Listed Coming up after the break, I'm going to tell

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Speaker 3: you what twenty year old Kelly did to a poor

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Speaker 2: So Jesse has asked, Hello, Kelly and Lee, I want

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Speaker 2: to know what is the key difference in your makeup

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Speaker 2: it's host tack time And Kelly, I am going to

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Speaker 3: What a you makeup packs?

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Speaker 2: You don't have to use a face mask all over

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Speaker 2: So I do what's called multi masking. Some people call

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Speaker 2: So what I often do is, if I'm going to

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Speaker 2: at home, I'll use one of the James Cosmetics or

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Speaker 2: one use spidergradable I mask like they're like jelly.

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Speaker 2: I forget what the term is. Anyway, I'll wak on

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Speaker 2: all the flavors. There's antiaging, there's hydrating whatever.

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Speaker 3: I love that you call them flavor flavors. I just

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Speaker 3: reach into my drawings just having a taste nibb. I

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Speaker 3: Then what I'll do is I'll use like a detoxifying

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Speaker 2: It's like that green. It is a clay, but it's

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Speaker 2: not stripping like a clave. Yeah, it's not drying.

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Speaker 2: So I'll just use that on my chin. I really

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Speaker 2: all the pores. Oh oh yeah. And then I'll do

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Speaker 2: and then I'll use a hydrating mask everywhere else. So

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Speaker 2: I've basically got like three different things going on. I'm

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Speaker 2: and so I'm walking around looking like I'm getting ready

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Speaker 2: a microfiber cloth to gently remove everything, and then I'll

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Speaker 2: do some skincare and it's like I've gone for a facial.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's very good reminder, Thank you, especially at the

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Speaker 3: moment like spring. Sometimes your skin's playing up a little

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Speaker 2: Oh, just my skin likes to just it's like me.

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Speaker 2: I've got various personalities and my face is like me too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, same sis. Yeah, it's I stole it from TikTok. Actually,

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Speaker 3: it's such good advice and a really good hack. Find

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Speaker 3: a celebrity that looks like you. And obviously you don't

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Speaker 1: Know, but it's a really good hack.

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Speaker 3: So celebrities have access to the best of the best.

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Speaker 3: They have access to the best cup artists, stylists, hair colorists, everything.

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Speaker 3: So find someone with a similar skin tone to you, similar.

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Speaker 2: Eye shade, eye shape is such a good.

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Speaker 3: Ice shape, eye shade, hair color, you can do it

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Speaker 3: with everything like body type, height, even and follow them

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Speaker 2: I could not agree more.

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Speaker 1: It's so genius because it's like when you don't really know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that hair shade should be mine.

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Speaker 3: Do is then take it into the hairdresser and say,

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Speaker 2: I love that for ice shape. In terms of like

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Speaker 2: if you find a beauty creator that has hooded lids

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Speaker 3: you careed. That is so clever Kelly. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I didn't come up with it. I just think it's genius.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do it for fashion. I haven't thought about

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 3: I find it really hard with fashion because I'm mid

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