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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Maya acknowledges

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Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land and waters that this

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Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. I'm a Shiny Dante, host of

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Speaker 1: But Are You Happy? Did you know that one in

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Speaker 1: five Australians experience and mental health condition each year, yet

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Speaker 1: too many suffer in silence. Talking about our feelings and

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Speaker 1: experiences is one of the most powerful steps towards healing

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Speaker 1: and knowing we're not alone. That's why we're introducing I

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Speaker 1: Never Told You This, a series created to spark honest,

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Speaker 1: meaningful conversations that support better mental well being. Brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Medibank. This episode includes discussions about depression and

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Speaker 1: postnatal depression. If you're not in a space to engage

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Speaker 1: with this topic right now, please feel free to skip

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Speaker 1: this episode. You're always welcome to explore another episode of

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Speaker 1: I Never Told You This or return to this one

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Speaker 1: whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 2: I think our family just doesn't deal with emotions very well.

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Speaker 2: We're not really there for each other during those moments.

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Speaker 3: Two people, one big reveal. I Never Told You This

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Speaker 3: a simple card game where one question could change everything.

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Speaker 3: It starts LI whats more Things brings you joy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to answer that.

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Speaker 3: Then comes the moment that could shift a relationship forever.

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Speaker 3: As they finished this sentence, I never told you this.

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Speaker 1: I've never told you that. I never told you this.

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Speaker 3: Today mother and daughter, Judy and Christina will be sitting

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Speaker 3: down together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling a lot of vulnerable. Me and my mom

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Speaker 2: don't generally talk about our feelings very often.

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Speaker 3: Christina has something big to tell her mother.

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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see how she reacts. How are

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Speaker 2: you feeling, mom, nembus? Yeah, all Lee a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Mum.

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Speaker 2: I know we don't really talk about our emotions very much.

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Speaker 2: But I've got these minibank Feely Worst cards here hopefully

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Speaker 2: help us park a conversation. Would you like to play?

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Speaker 4: Of course? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh all right, I'm gonna pick up one. Can

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Speaker 2: you tell us something you're grateful for in this family?

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Speaker 4: Even we're not getting along sometimes, but I'm grateful they'll

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Speaker 4: have you all in my life. I'm gonna pick up

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Speaker 4: a card. Is there a family tradition you hope continuous?

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Speaker 4: Poor generation?

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Speaker 2: It's karaoke, the traditional Filipedo way to celebrate. All right, Mom,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick up the next card. Okay, this one says,

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Speaker 2: I never told you this. Back when I was young,

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Speaker 2: you know, I had a quite heavy depression and so oh,

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Speaker 2: then I'm tearing out, pardon. After I had my son River,

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Speaker 2: I went through another quite deep kind of spiral of

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Speaker 2: depression and anxiety, which I like, never really spoke to

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Speaker 2: you guys about. I think our family just doesn't deal

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Speaker 2: with emotions very well. I think we don't talk about

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Speaker 2: when things get really low. We don't say, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're not really there for each other during those moments.

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Speaker 4: I know I said that, but even me I didn't know.

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Speaker 4: I saw you. You said you're going to therapist or whatever,

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Speaker 4: and I'm asking you, but you don't say nothing. I

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Speaker 4: don't want to interfer on what you're going through. It's

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Speaker 4: not I don't care, it's something like I can see

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Speaker 4: that you don't want to share it with me. That's

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Speaker 4: why I just step quiet and about how you're feeling.

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Speaker 4: You should tell me.

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Speaker 1: The rest of this episode of I never told you

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Speaker 1: this right after the break.

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Speaker 4: Being a mom is not easy. I'm telling you. Being

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Speaker 4: on my own, I'm not thinking of myself. I always

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Speaker 4: think of you, my children, all of you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can never deny how much she loved us,

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Speaker 2: Like how much you sacrificed to love us and to

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Speaker 2: provide for us. I think I know that you don't

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Speaker 2: show emotions, but I think I don't. But I think

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Speaker 2: the way that you love us is through your actions.

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Speaker 4: I get. Yeah, I'm I'm your mom no matter what,

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Speaker 4: I'm always there for you. It's not because you're my paperite.

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Speaker 2: Now now we've got that.

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Speaker 1: Sorry.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, It's like I'm a mom and I'm always there

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Speaker 4: no matter what. I'm always there if I can help,

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Speaker 4: I will.

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Speaker 2: You look like you're getting a bit of a shot

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Speaker 2: all their.

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Speaker 4: Mom Oh yeah, yeah, true.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just hard talking about depression because at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, like I know I'm supported

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Speaker 2: by family and by you, by Shane, my husband, I

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Speaker 2: feel like my brain just automatically skips all those things

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Speaker 2: and be like, I should just fix myself because I

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Speaker 4: I understand that being on my own. Racing yous, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've been.

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Speaker 1: Through a lot.

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Speaker 2: Was it hard because I know you raised us basically

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Speaker 2: on your own. Like, did you go through any like

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Speaker 2: postpartum depression?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't, because I tried to fight for it.

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Speaker 4: I work though jobs as well back then, and one

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Speaker 4: time it happens to me, I'm so sleepy, I bark

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Speaker 4: my car on the sides. I just walk up. The

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Speaker 4: sun is coming on my face and I said, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm late, and then I go straight I drive and

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm so sorry I fall asleep. You know

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Speaker 4: how hard it is. Yeah, we get a chance to

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Speaker 4: know more of its utter now that you're grown up.

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Speaker 4: Before when you were young, yes, I know you. But

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Speaker 4: when you grow up you have your own family. Of course,

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Speaker 4: some things you don't tell me anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's just a matter of us

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Speaker 2: making sure we reach out to each other, Yes, openly

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Speaker 2: talk about things were It feels good to know that

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Speaker 2: you've seen what I went through, and then now knowing

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Speaker 2: that I've gone through it again, and we're a little

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Speaker 2: bit closer.

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Speaker 4: Just knowing that I'm just a pond all away. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I can come and see you no matter what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: Talking about it early really does help processing those emotions

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Speaker 2: and not letting it. I guess spiral as bad as

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Speaker 2: it used to get.

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Speaker 4: But do you know, the hug and just the embrace

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Speaker 4: of your parents at least can really a little bit,

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Speaker 4: even just a little bit, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Can I have a hug mum,