Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mea podcast. Mama Maya acknowledges
Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
Speaker 1: is recorded on. Today, I have an episode that I
Speaker 1: want to put back in your ears. It's an interview
Speaker 1: I did last year with a woman called Annie Knight,
Speaker 1: who was dubbed at the time Australia's most sexually active woman.
Speaker 1: She is an Only Fans sex worker by her own description,
Speaker 1: and she told a really interesting story about how she
Speaker 1: came to start working on OnlyFans, what it's like, how
Speaker 1: exactly one becomes Australia's most sexually active woman. Sounds like
Speaker 1: a lot of chafing to me, but it was a
Speaker 1: really interesting conversation and the reason I wanted to pop
Speaker 1: it back in your ears is that Annie and her
Speaker 1: mate and fellow OnlyFans sex worker colleague, Bonnie Blue, have
Speaker 1: been in the media in the last couple of weeks
Speaker 1: about their decision to go to schoolies. Now, if if
Speaker 1: you don't live in Australia, you might not know what
Speaker 1: school is is. It's like the week or two that
Speaker 1: school leavers spend up on the Gold Coast of Australia
Speaker 1: around Byron Bay and the Gold Coast and they basically
Speaker 1: party and Bonnie and Annie have planned to go up
Speaker 1: there to sleep with a whole lot of age boys
Speaker 1: who are at school is film it for their Only
Speaker 1: Fans channel and basically make a lot of money. Now,
Speaker 1: as I'm recording this, Bonnie Blues visa was revoked because
Speaker 1: she was not meant to be working in Australia. She
Speaker 1: is not Australian, She's from the UK. I wanted to
Speaker 1: play this episode for you to understand a little bit
Speaker 1: about OnlyFans and how it all works. Annie's still planning
Speaker 1: to go up there and do this work even as
Speaker 1: we speak. And at the end we asked Annie to
Speaker 1: do a little voice note update for us about how
Speaker 1: she's going with her goal to sleep with six hundred
Speaker 1: people before this year is over, and also what she's
Speaker 1: going to be doing and how it all works up
Speaker 1: on the Gold Coaster. A lot of people who are
Speaker 1: really upset about this. I'm not going to tell you
Speaker 1: what to think or how to think about this on
Speaker 1: No Filter. It's all about really hearing other people's stories
Speaker 1: and listening to their perspectives. So enjoy or not. My
Speaker 1: original interview with Annie Knight well Hello, it's me a
Speaker 1: Friedman back in your ears on a podcast called No
Speaker 1: Filter Now to pull back the curtain a little bit,
Speaker 1: then explain how I choose who to interview my filter
Speaker 1: for No Filter. My no filter filter, I guess you'd
Speaker 1: call it, has always been very unscientific. It's been things
Speaker 1: and people I want to know more about because I'm
Speaker 1: wildly curious and nosy. I have an insatiable hunger to
Speaker 1: know more about people and things. But I also have
Speaker 1: very basic bitch tastes, so I know that if I'm
Speaker 1: curious about something, it's a pretty safe bet that lots
Speaker 1: of other people will be curious about that thing too.
Speaker 1: And one of the things people will always be curious about.
Speaker 2: Is sex editing my own sex tape. It's interesting because again,
Speaker 2: like you know, I might catch myself at a weird
Speaker 2: angle and I'm very self critical, or maybe I say
Speaker 2: something stupid in the video. I'm like, oh, why did
Speaker 2: I say that? Or it's kind of weird, but I
Speaker 2: mean it's part of the job.
Speaker 1: Now, if you google the phrase the world's most sexually
Speaker 1: active woman, as I did in preparation for the interview,
Speaker 1: that you are about to hear one of The first
Speaker 1: search results you'll get is a documentary on YouTube called
Speaker 1: Meet the Focons. It is about sixty nine year old
Speaker 1: twin sisters called Louise and Martin Focken, who are sex
Speaker 1: workers in the Red Light district in Amsterdam. Well they're
Speaker 1: not anymore because they retired when they were seventy, but
Speaker 1: when the documentary was made a few years ago, they
Speaker 1: were still working, and they retired after they'd worked for
Speaker 1: fifty years, during which time they slept with three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty five thousand men. My browsing history really isn't normal,
Speaker 1: and it would probably get me fired if I had
Speaker 1: a regular job, which is why this podcast is called
Speaker 1: No Filter and why I love to host it. This
Speaker 1: is a story about Australia's most sexually active woman any Night.
Speaker 1: But funnily enough, this story is less about sex and
Speaker 1: more about marketing, which isn't a sexy but it's possibly
Speaker 1: more interesting.
Speaker 2: When I got fired for doing onlyfens, actually I didn't
Speaker 2: tell my mum and so she thought I was working
Speaker 2: at this job for like four months after I'd been fired,
Speaker 2: because I was trying to work up the courage. I
Speaker 2: think what I wanted first was to have a bit
Speaker 2: of a resume to be like, Mum, look look how
Speaker 2: much money I'm making. Look what I've accomplished since like,
Speaker 2: I wanted to have that before I told her.
Speaker 1: Annie is a twenty seven year old woman from Brisbane
Speaker 1: who works in the sex industry as a kind of
Speaker 1: self employed porn star. She makes her own sex content
Speaker 1: and sells it to subscribers via Only Fans. It became
Speaker 1: hugely popular during the pandemic because thousands of Australians and
Speaker 1: people everywhere really created accounts hoping to convert homemade content
Speaker 1: into piles of cash. Didn't quite work out that way
Speaker 1: for the vast majority of people, because Only Fans really
Speaker 1: is not the golden goose of the gig economy. There
Speaker 1: was a fantastic documentary from the ABC about Only Fans,
Speaker 1: which I'll linked to in the show notes, but that
Speaker 1: really looks at the opposite side, and the far more
Speaker 1: common side for Only Fans creators than the one that
Speaker 1: you're about to hear from Annie. But back to my
Speaker 1: Google search and the descriptor Australia's most promiscuous woman or
Speaker 1: Australia's most sexually active woman, which is what first pulled
Speaker 1: me towards Annie's story when I read it in the
Speaker 1: Daily Mail, who in turn got it from the Kyle
Speaker 1: and Jackie O radio show.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm very sexually open. I'm open down
Speaker 2: to try anything, really anything, Yeah, most things?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Then how old are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm twenty six?
Speaker 1: So is Annie actually the most sexually active woman in Australia?
Speaker 1: A great question. And that's another story, one that you
Speaker 1: are about to hear. And that is where the marketing
Speaker 1: comes into it, because everyone on OnlyFans needs an angle apparently,
Speaker 1: and Annie tells me that she has really found hers.
Speaker 1: It goes without saying, at least it should if you've
Speaker 1: been listening to anything I've said up until this point
Speaker 1: that this is about to be an adult conversation for
Speaker 1: adult people about adult things. And even though I am
Speaker 1: very much an adult, I have to say I learned
Speaker 1: some new things like what is a cream pie? And
Speaker 1: it is not a dessert? Who knew? So enjoy that
Speaker 1: and enjoy hing my conversation with Annie Knight. I will
Speaker 1: be in your ears at the end for a debrief. Anney,
Speaker 1: you wanted to be a brain surgeon? Why?
Speaker 2: I just think there was this idea that I had
Speaker 2: ever since I was like fourteen. I just had this
Speaker 2: idea in my head that I wanted to be a
Speaker 2: brain surgeon. I was very good at math, it's very
Speaker 2: good at science. I loved maths. I love science, So
Speaker 2: I knew I wanted to go into something in like
Speaker 2: that sort of field. And I'm very much perfectionist, So
Speaker 2: I think that's why I went for brain surgeon specifically.
Speaker 1: Because it's like the most specialized, most difficult, most high risk,
Speaker 1: exactly right, set the bar high.
Speaker 2: So then I definitely decided that when I was like seventeen,
Speaker 2: and then I finished school and started studying to become
Speaker 2: a brain surgeon. And then obviously things changed.
Speaker 1: When did they change?
Speaker 2: They changed probably two years into studying medicine. I just
Speaker 2: realized I liked the passion. I didn't love it like
Speaker 2: I thought I would, obviously with the amount of study
Speaker 2: that's involved and obviously the amount of work that's involved
Speaker 2: with being a surgeon. I just realized I didn't want
Speaker 2: to waste my life doing something that I didn't love
Speaker 2: and wasn't passionate about. So I actually took a gap year,
Speaker 2: like took a break from studying to figure out what
Speaker 2: I wanted to do, and then I started doing a
Speaker 2: marketing degree instead.
Speaker 1: Did you decide to do marketing with a view to
Speaker 1: doing something particular in marketing? Was there a part of
Speaker 1: marketing that was interesting to you?
Speaker 2: I wasn't really sure what specific type of marketing I
Speaker 2: wanted to do, but I had an uncle who was
Speaker 2: the manager of a shopping center and he'd sort of
Speaker 2: told me about shopping center marketing and that sounded kind
Speaker 2: of fun and like a bit more broader than like
Speaker 2: product marketing. So I kind of had that in the
Speaker 2: back of my mind, and then when I finished my degree,
Speaker 2: that's what I ended up doing, and I did really
Speaker 2: enjoy it.
Speaker 1: So when you grew up, what kind of ideas about
Speaker 1: sex did you have?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Were your parents pretty chill? You know? Did you grow
Speaker 1: up learning about sex pretty early?
Speaker 2: No? I mean we had sex ed in school. I
Speaker 2: think when I was like maybe seven or something, I
Speaker 2: asked the question, like, how are babies created? And I
Speaker 2: remember Mum just handed me this book and it was
Speaker 2: like what you're meant to give your child when they
Speaker 2: asked that question?
Speaker 1: Where did I come from? Probably?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was actually realistic. It wasn't like oh, this
Speaker 2: school delivers baby. It was like, no, this is how
Speaker 2: it happens. There were pictures of naked people and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, okay, so that's how it works.
Speaker 2: Me and my parents were very chill. You know, we
Speaker 2: weren't talking about sex all the time. And you know,
Speaker 2: I just did sex set in school and stuff. I
Speaker 2: feel like I had a very normal upbringing in that respect.
Speaker 1: So when did you start going on only fans? Did
Speaker 1: it start with TikTok or did it start with Instagram?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it started with TikTok. First I was on TikTok
Speaker 2: in Covid. I started posting tiktoks and then I realized
Speaker 2: how fun it was and I was getting views and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is kind of cool. And
Speaker 2: then I started seeing tiktoks of other women who have
Speaker 2: an only fans page. And it's something that one of
Speaker 2: my friends had said to me to do. She's like,
Speaker 2: you should create an only fans page, like you would
Speaker 2: make millions to do so well. And I was like,
Speaker 2: what are you even talking about? What's only fans? And
Speaker 2: then I went on TikTok and yeah, I saw all
Speaker 2: these girls saying like they make you know, fifty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a month, and I was like, what, Like that's
Speaker 2: crazy just and posting a few photos of yourself online.
Speaker 2: So yeah, probably after like nine months of doing TikTok,
Speaker 2: I finally decided to start my only fans in. I
Speaker 2: think it was August of twenty twenty when you.
Speaker 1: Were on TikTok. What kind of videos were you posting?
Speaker 1: Were you doing the dances in covid or were you
Speaker 1: already posting? Kind of got all the words I think
Speaker 1: of is so like Nana like suggestive content, spicy content,
Speaker 1: you would say. I mean, you can't get very spicy
Speaker 1: on TikTok at all, can you? No?
Speaker 2: You have to be really. I've had like six TikTok's removed,
Speaker 2: like my accounts deleted because of yeah, just getting banned
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Your whole account they banned. What did you post to
Speaker 1: get banned?
Speaker 2: Well, like what I post now? I just kept creating
Speaker 2: new TikTok pages. But I just talk about like my
Speaker 2: sexual escapades, I suppose. But back in twenty twenty when
Speaker 2: I first started TikTok, I wasn't talking about that. I
Speaker 2: was just telling story times like I feel like I've
Speaker 2: lived a very interesting, random, funny life and like the
Speaker 2: craziest stuff happens to me. So I was just posting
Speaker 2: that on TikTok during that time, and I mean a
Speaker 2: lot of people didn't believe it because they're like, this
Speaker 2: is crazy. There's no way that that's true, but like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, the weirdest stuff happens to me.
Speaker 1: Now. You can't make money on TikTok, can you.
Speaker 2: No, not in Australia, which is really annoying.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of time to feed the TikTok
Speaker 1: beast because you've got to make a lot of videos
Speaker 1: right to get following and to go viral.
Speaker 2: And it's getting harder and harder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you decided to do only fans. Whereabouts were
Speaker 1: you in your career at that point? Was it covid still?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Covid. I had a job though, as
Speaker 2: a marketing coordinator of a shopping center in Melbourne, and
Speaker 2: I really loved that job, but I was earning sixty
Speaker 2: k a year and I was still living at home
Speaker 2: and I really wanted to move out, and I financially
Speaker 2: couldn't afford to move out of home. My end goal
Speaker 2: at that time was to buy a house one day,
Speaker 2: and I was like, how am I going to buy
Speaker 2: a house one day if I can't even move out
Speaker 2: of home to rent somewhere. So that's why I first
Speaker 2: decided to start my Only Fans because I was like,
Speaker 2: sixty k year at this job is just not cutting it.
Speaker 1: So again, for people who aren't familiar with Only Fans,
Speaker 1: the first time I tried to find Only Fans, I
Speaker 1: thought it was an app, so I went to the
Speaker 1: app store, I downloaded something that I thought was Only Fans,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It's actually not an app at all,
Speaker 1: is it. Can you explain what only Fans is to
Speaker 1: the curious and the uninformed? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's essentially a website with a subscription type model
Speaker 2: where you can post explicit content and you can either
Speaker 2: do like just the subscription only and then you get
Speaker 2: they get all the content for free, so you just
Speaker 2: post the pictures and the videos and whatever and they
Speaker 2: get that all just for the subscription price, or you
Speaker 2: can have a subscription and then also charge them extra
Speaker 2: for each piece of content as well, which is what
Speaker 2: I do. And then obviously there's the messaging on there
Speaker 2: as well, so my subscribers get to message me and
Speaker 2: chat to me and stuff. So yeah, that's basically what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: What was the first thing you posted?
Speaker 2: I think it was just a lingerie photo. I started
Speaker 2: very mild. I started with lingerie and bikini only and
Speaker 2: then slowly sort of progressed onto the other stuff.
Speaker 1: Tell me about that progression, because at first you posted
Speaker 1: things for free, Because the creator gets to decide whether
Speaker 1: they post things for free or whether they have a paywall,
Speaker 1: and at what point they have the paywall, so it's
Speaker 1: all very much in the control of the creator. What
Speaker 1: was your game plan? You're a smart woman, you know
Speaker 1: a lot about marketing. You obviously didn't just go into
Speaker 1: it for a lark. You knew what you were trying
Speaker 1: to do, So what was the strategy?
Speaker 2: So I knew what my strategy was from the start.
Speaker 2: No one knew who I was. I was not an influencer,
Speaker 2: I didn't have a following. I was literally just a nobody.
Speaker 2: So I knew that I had to have a free
Speaker 2: page to begin with. I would post like lingerie and
Speaker 2: bikini stuff, and then if they wanted to see nudes
Speaker 2: or anything like that, they would have to pay extra
Speaker 2: for that specific piece of content. And I knew that
Speaker 2: that's how I had to start, and then that eventually,
Speaker 2: once I got to a point where I felt like
Speaker 2: I was well known enough and I had a big
Speaker 2: enough following that I could switch to a paid subscription model.
Speaker 2: But that's what I would do, and that is what
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: How long did you post free content for and how
Speaker 1: spicy did that get?
Speaker 2: The free content was literally just lingerie and bikini, so
Speaker 2: I was always covered. But I would post nudes for
Speaker 2: a price as well on top of my free subscription.
Speaker 2: So if they wanted to see me naked, for example,
Speaker 2: I'd have to pay five dollars for that photo. And
Speaker 2: I had that subscription model for like a year, I think,
Speaker 2: and then I switched and I started doing like pleasure
Speaker 2: videos and solo play and all of that. And then
Speaker 2: after about six months of doing that, Yeah, I switched
Speaker 2: to a paid subscription model.
Speaker 1: So when you switched to paid, did everything become behind
Speaker 1: that paywall or was there still some content free?
Speaker 2: Everything gets put behind the paywall that's already on the page.
Speaker 1: Did that make you nervous?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I had about eight thousand subscribers when I
Speaker 2: had the free subscription model, and so I knew when
Speaker 2: I switched to paid that I would lose a lot
Speaker 2: of them, and I ended up going down to about
Speaker 2: seven hundred subscribers at that time, so I lost like
Speaker 2: so many. But the way that I looked at at
Speaker 2: the time was, well, the people that I've lost probably
Speaker 2: won't really paint for content. The people that have stayed
Speaker 2: are the ones that are actually mostly buying the content.
Speaker 2: And it was a bit stressful for like a month
Speaker 2: or two there. I think it was like June July
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two that this was happening. But then yeah,
Speaker 2: eventually I just put in the hard work and I
Speaker 2: rebuilt my subscribe account and now I'm at like seven
Speaker 2: thousand paid subs.
Speaker 1: When you say put in the hard work and rebuilt it,
Speaker 1: how did you do that? Because if you don't, the
Speaker 1: thing about OnlyFans is that you need to send people
Speaker 1: directly there, right, So you need to build an audience
Speaker 1: somewhere else to send them to only fans.
Speaker 2: Yes, So that was a big part of it. And
Speaker 2: TikTok was my main source of marketing that I was
Speaker 2: using get subscribers, and I was doing very well on
Speaker 2: TikTok at that time, so it was translating very very well.
Speaker 2: The other thing that you need to keep in mind
Speaker 2: is that you need to figure out a way to
Speaker 2: keep these subscribers. So if you're just posting, oh, one
Speaker 2: video here or another video three weeks later, like it's
Speaker 2: all over the place, they're going to be like, what
Speaker 2: the hell we want consistency. So I was very strict
Speaker 2: with myself and made sure that I was sending out
Speaker 2: a piece of content, a video, a full video, and
Speaker 2: a photo every single day so that they would see
Speaker 2: that I was consistent with it and they would want
Speaker 2: to stay on my page.
Speaker 1: When you were starting to take the first nude shots
Speaker 1: that you took, do you remember the first nude shot
Speaker 1: that you took?
Speaker 2: I think I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, How did you prepare to take it?
Speaker 2: I did my hair, I did my makeup, had my
Speaker 2: fake hand on. I remember, I've set it up in
Speaker 2: my bathroom, I had an en suite. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just took it. I was very self conscious though,
Speaker 2: Like I think that's really interesting about only Fans is
Speaker 2: when I first started it, I was very self conscious.
Speaker 2: So I was taking these photos of myself and being
Speaker 2: so critical of my body, and then in the end,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, screw it, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: post it on my only fans whatever, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: And I was expecting all my fans to be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, like you're so ugly, oh your boobs
Speaker 2: are too small, or like I was expecting harsh criticism,
Speaker 2: and they were all like, oh my god, you're an
Speaker 2: absolute goddess. You have the most beautiful boy I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, okay.
Speaker 1: These people who were subscribing, who were paying, or these
Speaker 1: were free people at the time.
Speaker 2: These were free people.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. And were you worried that these nude
Speaker 1: shots could turn up anywhere? I mean, that's crossing a line,
Speaker 1: isn't it? Always sending nudes something that you were comfortable
Speaker 1: doing when you were dating.
Speaker 2: I was very scared about my nudes getting leaked, and
Speaker 2: it did actually happen, so I started getting circulated within
Speaker 2: my social circles and stuff, which was pretty stressful and
Speaker 2: actually made me stop doing it for a while there.
Speaker 1: Because anyone can take a screenshot of the content that
Speaker 1: they see on any fans, can't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a shame it's illegal too, but there's no
Speaker 2: way for only fans to stop that from happening, and
Speaker 2: then obviously if they take a screenshot, they can send
Speaker 2: it to whoever.
Speaker 1: Does that happen a lot? I imagine it does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been told quite a lot that I'm in
Speaker 2: a lot of boys group chats and stuff. It's crazy
Speaker 2: how open people are and like willing they are to
Speaker 2: tell me that because it is illegal. And the thing is,
Speaker 2: if you know who it is and you have proof
Speaker 2: that they're doing it, you can press charges because it's
Speaker 2: technically revenge porn, but a lot of the time they're anonymous,
Speaker 2: so it's not much I can do.
Speaker 1: How does it make you feel?
Speaker 2: Very angry? And it's interesting because I've spoken about it
Speaker 2: on my TikTok before and people are like, well, what
Speaker 2: do you expect You put your content out there, and
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, but I put it out there for
Speaker 2: a price with my own consent. So people are out
Speaker 2: there sharing it without my consent, to people who have
Speaker 2: not paid for it and who are sharing it with
Speaker 2: malicious intent. They're not sharing it being like, oh look
Speaker 2: how great this is, like I love this girl. They're
Speaker 2: sharing it because they're talking crap about me.
Speaker 1: When you said you took some time off for a
Speaker 1: while because it was upsetting you that it was going
Speaker 1: in circles of people that you knew. Were you angry
Speaker 1: then or did you feel a bit ashamed then?
Speaker 2: I was so ashamed. I like really went into my
Speaker 2: shell during that period, and I had a lot of
Speaker 2: social anxiety. Every time I would go to a party
Speaker 2: or I would go out somewhere, I would see people
Speaker 2: with and pointing and like people I knew as well.
Speaker 2: So it was really stressful, and yeah, caused me a
Speaker 2: lot of anxiety at the time, which obviously wasn't fun.
Speaker 1: You had a group of friends who you say were
Speaker 1: very judgmental of you at that time. Can you tell
Speaker 1: me about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I had a group of friends who I
Speaker 2: had known since I was five years old. We went
Speaker 2: to school together, we'd been best friends. That was probably
Speaker 2: like seven or eight of us, very tight knit, had
Speaker 2: grown up together, and when I first started my only fans,
Speaker 2: one of them called me and basically just was like,
Speaker 2: you've lost your mind. You're absolutely crazy. You're going to
Speaker 2: ruin your life, Like what the hell are you thinking?
Speaker 2: I can't believe you're putting this out there, And was
Speaker 2: just really horrible to me, and then I got off
Speaker 2: that phone call and I never heard from them again.
Speaker 1: What do you think was going on for them to
Speaker 1: have that kind of reaction.
Speaker 2: I always knew they were very judgmental. I mean, I
Speaker 2: went to all girls' private Catholic school, so a lot
Speaker 2: of the people there are very judgmental and have grown
Speaker 2: up with these ideals and whatnot. So I think a
Speaker 2: lot of them, yeah, we're just super judgmental. They've grown
Speaker 2: up being told that, like, doing that kind of thing
Speaker 2: is beneath them, and it's embarrassing and it's for people
Speaker 2: who don't have any money and all of that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that they were just like they just didn't
Speaker 2: understand it.
Speaker 1: You grew up in the same culture and the same context.
Speaker 1: How come you didn't feel that way? How did you
Speaker 1: escape that level of judgment?
Speaker 2: I think it's because it's the way my mum has
Speaker 2: raised me. She always raised me to be non judgmental
Speaker 2: and to accept everyone for who they are and what
Speaker 2: they do, and that's how I see the world. I
Speaker 2: don't know why someone who is a sex worker is
Speaker 2: less important than someone who works in an office job.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I'm the same person
Speaker 2: on the inside. And that's what I think. I didn't
Speaker 2: understand with it at the time, was you know, these
Speaker 2: girls have known me for it would have been eighteen years.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why all of a sudden, just because
Speaker 2: of what I was doing for work that changed their
Speaker 2: view of me, Like I hadn't changed on the inside,
Speaker 2: so didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Up next, I had questions for Annie about the difference
Speaker 1: between when she's having sex as content versus sex for
Speaker 1: her own personal pleasure.
Speaker 2: It's work. People forget that this is a job. So
Speaker 2: we're thinking about the camera angle, where the camera's going
Speaker 2: to be positioned. It's like, you know, okay, what position
Speaker 2: are we doing next? Okay, do you think the subs
Speaker 2: will like this?
Speaker 1: And she also tells me how she finds people to
Speaker 1: have sex with on camera and how her parents found
Speaker 1: out about her new career. Very awkward. Stay with us.
Speaker 1: Were you single during this time while you were reving
Speaker 1: up your only fans?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How did commodifying your sexuality change how you felt about
Speaker 1: it in real life? Or didn't it? Like? Was there
Speaker 1: only fans sexual Annie and private life sexual Annie? Or
Speaker 1: was it all just the same?
Speaker 2: No? It's very different. And anyone who is a sex
Speaker 2: work around works in the only fence industry will tell
Speaker 2: you the exact same thing you have, like your work
Speaker 2: sexual you and then you have your home life or
Speaker 2: personal sex life. It's very, very different. Even when I
Speaker 2: film a video with a guy, that experience is so
Speaker 2: different to when i'm even if I was sleeping with
Speaker 2: the exact same person, if we were to sleep together
Speaker 2: off camera in my personal life, it is just so different.
Speaker 1: Tell me exactly how it would be different.
Speaker 2: Well, it's work, Like people forget that this is a job.
Speaker 2: So we're thinking about the camera angle, where the camera's
Speaker 2: going to be positioned. Okay, what position are we doing next? Okay,
Speaker 2: do you think the subs will like this? It's very
Speaker 2: much like you have to think about it, the setup
Speaker 2: and the lighting and all of that. A lot of
Speaker 2: the times you don't kiss either, so that it takes
Speaker 2: away that personal aspect, whereas in my personal life, obviously
Speaker 2: you know you kiss and it's more intimate. There's no
Speaker 2: camera there, so you're not being like hyper aware of that.
Speaker 2: You're just sort of living in the moment. It's more passionate,
Speaker 2: it's just a bit more personal I think.
Speaker 1: When did you start having sex with other people on camera?
Speaker 1: Like all the way along, did you sort of say
Speaker 1: to yourself, I'm going to do this, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do that. I'm going to do this, and
Speaker 1: did that line keep moving? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I started with this is just going to be bikini
Speaker 2: and lingerie content and that's it. And then next minute
Speaker 2: was I'll do some nudes, but then that's it, and
Speaker 2: then it became solo content. I did do solo content
Speaker 2: for two years.
Speaker 1: Can you explain what solo content is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so solo content would just be like self pleasure videos,
Speaker 2: so me measuring myself on camera, everyone else involved. So
Speaker 2: I did that for two years without ever doing what
Speaker 2: we call the collaboration, which is when you collaborate with
Speaker 2: another creator or even a non creator or whatever.
Speaker 1: So the line in the sound was you self pleasured
Speaker 1: for two years and then I imagine that next phase
Speaker 1: was a big step.
Speaker 2: It was huge, and I was like very nervous because yeah,
Speaker 2: it is just so different to sex in your personal life.
Speaker 2: But also I was just nervous to put it out
Speaker 2: there and have people ask questions. And I guess receive
Speaker 2: more judgment for doing that because It is a huge
Speaker 2: step just going from solo play to doing collaborations with
Speaker 2: other people. But I thought, you know, my subscribers have
Speaker 2: been asking it for it for so long, and I
Speaker 2: want to make more money, so you've got to do
Speaker 2: what you got to do. And now I've been doing
Speaker 2: it for two years.
Speaker 1: I want to ask about identity. When you started on
Speaker 1: Only Fans. At first, you were a woman who worked
Speaker 1: in marketing who was posting some images as a side hustle.
Speaker 1: When did you start and did you start seeing yourself
Speaker 1: in a different way, either as a sex worker or
Speaker 1: someone who works in the sex industry or did you
Speaker 1: just and do you still just see yourself as an influencer.
Speaker 1: How has that idea of yourself changed through these different
Speaker 1: kind of levels of your Only Fans content.
Speaker 2: Well, I think when I left my job as a
Speaker 2: marketing manager, I was like, right, well, I'm doing only Fans,
Speaker 2: which makes me a sex worker. And I owned that,
Speaker 2: like there was never a doubt in my mind that
Speaker 2: I was going to be a shamed room barriers to
Speaker 2: say I'm a sex worker, and I stand by that
Speaker 2: to this day. I definitely dabble in influencing, especially like
Speaker 2: two years ago. I don't do it as much anymore,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean my title is a sex worker.
Speaker 1: When you lost your job, that was because of your
Speaker 1: only fans? Right? How did that go down?
Speaker 2: I'd only started at this new job. I was on
Speaker 2: day five. They told me they'd done all the checks
Speaker 2: and stuff on me beforehand, and I wasn't necessarily hiding
Speaker 2: my only fans because I honestly was at the point
Speaker 2: where I was like, I don't really care if I
Speaker 2: do get fired for doing it, so be it.
Speaker 1: Did you use the same name everywhere I.
Speaker 2: Go by Annie Kate on my only fans?
Speaker 1: I know, because I joined only fans to look for
Speaker 1: you and I had no luck. It was very confused.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very confusing. But yeah, so I don't
Speaker 2: really know how they found me because I didn't promote
Speaker 2: my only fans anywhere at that time either.
Speaker 1: That must have been like a whistleblower trying to shave you.
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah. Well, on day five I went home
Speaker 2: stick because I've got intimutrioists and I was in a
Speaker 2: lot of pain that day, so I went home, and
Speaker 2: when I got home, I had an email from my
Speaker 2: boss saying that I'd been terminated. And then they listed
Speaker 2: three reasons why, and one of them was that I'd
Speaker 2: lied because earlier in the day they asked me if
Speaker 2: I had any side hustles or side businesses and I
Speaker 2: said no, and then also that I had a website
Speaker 2: containing explicit content and crew language. And then there was
Speaker 2: some other reason that I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Did you push back. No.
Speaker 2: I was upset, but I was upset because I was
Speaker 2: angry that people could be so discriminatory. I was angry
Speaker 2: that they were discriminating against me, But I wasn't actually
Speaker 2: angry that I lost my job because I hated it anyway.
Speaker 2: I really did, and I was only on day five.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I hate it. What was so bad about it?
Speaker 2: Well, I was tucked away in this dark, dingy office
Speaker 2: at the back of the building and I barely spoke
Speaker 2: to anyone, and the shopping center was pretty crap, if
Speaker 2: I'm honest. So I just didn't enjoy it. I did
Speaker 2: enjoy the people I was working with, and I'd actually
Speaker 2: called my best friend the day before crime saying I
Speaker 2: hate this job so much. I just want to do
Speaker 2: only fans full time. And he was like, no, don't
Speaker 2: do it, don't do it. You'll ruin your life.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, so it wasn't him that dobbed you in.
Speaker 2: No, definitely in terms.
Speaker 1: Of you know, you consider yourself as sex worker. You
Speaker 1: are a full time content creator on OnlyFans. Did you
Speaker 1: feel that it was something you had to announce or
Speaker 1: share or did you just think it's no one's business.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I think it really depended on the person
Speaker 2: still to this day. If it's like a middle aged
Speaker 2: person that I'm literally just meeting very briefly and they're
Speaker 2: asking me what I do for work, I'll say influencer.
Speaker 2: I'm not ashamed of what I do, only because I
Speaker 2: cannot deal with the millions of questions that follow, because
Speaker 2: there's always a million questions and I just answer them
Speaker 2: the same every single time, and I'm honestly a bit
Speaker 2: over it.
Speaker 1: What do people say straight away? What are the questions
Speaker 1: that they just keep asking, just.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, when did you start that? What
Speaker 2: type of content do you do?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Do you enjoy it? Like how much money do you make?
Speaker 2: You know, Just the same old question. And obviously usually
Speaker 2: when it's older people, they tend to be a bit
Speaker 2: more judgmental, and I tend to be a little bit
Speaker 2: sussy and sometimes a little bit snappy, and if it's
Speaker 2: not this right situation for that, then that's when I
Speaker 2: say I'm an influencer instead.
Speaker 1: So back to the decision to do it with someone else.
Speaker 1: So then how do you decide who to do it
Speaker 1: with and what happens next?
Speaker 2: So I decided that I didn't want to start doing
Speaker 2: content with another creator because I felt very like amateur still,
Speaker 2: and I was kind of intimidated with doing it with
Speaker 2: like a big time male creator. So I decided to
Speaker 2: go on Hinge instead and go on a couple of
Speaker 2: dates with the guy and see if I felt comfortable
Speaker 2: with him and he was the right guy. And I
Speaker 2: managed to find one pretty quickly, and this is when
Speaker 2: I was living up in Brisbane. And yeah, once I
Speaker 2: felt comfortable with him, and he agreed to it all
Speaker 2: and consented to it all and signed all the relevant forms. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we started filming content together.
Speaker 1: Annie, How does that come up in conversation on a date?
Speaker 2: It was in my bio. I've always been open about it.
Speaker 2: I would rather put it out there so on my
Speaker 2: Hinge bio that I do only fans.
Speaker 1: Okay, So he probably did his due diligence before he
Speaker 1: went on the date, knew who you were? Was he
Speaker 1: a subscriber or was he a fan?
Speaker 2: No, he didn't know who I was.
Speaker 1: How are you wary of that? Do you have to
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that in your dating life?
Speaker 2: Yeah? In my personal life when I'm dating it sounds bad,
Speaker 2: But if someone is a subscriber or a fan, I
Speaker 2: sometimes get a little bit scared, just because you never
Speaker 2: know what their intentions.
Speaker 1: Are.
Speaker 2: Of course, Yeah, so I do have to be careful
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: How do you vet that?
Speaker 2: I mean you can't. Sometimes I much with guys who
Speaker 2: pretend to not know who I am, and then they
Speaker 2: do know who I am and they actually subscribe to
Speaker 2: my page and it sort of comes out eventually, or
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at telling. Now there's just a vibe
Speaker 2: that I get that's pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: Once that happened. Does it increase your subscribers? You were saying,
Speaker 1: this is what your subscribers wanted. So do they pay
Speaker 1: more to see what they've asked for? Or is it
Speaker 1: just you have to keep giving them what they ask
Speaker 1: for to keep them subscribing month after month? No?
Speaker 2: So I yeah, the first time I did, we call
Speaker 2: them a BEG, which is like code for boy girl video.
Speaker 2: I like released it for like one hundred dollars, like
Speaker 2: I charged super high because they've been asking for it
Speaker 2: for so long that I was like, they're gonna pay
Speaker 2: for this. And then eventually over time, obviously I've decreased
Speaker 2: the price a little bit. Now I sell it for
Speaker 2: like thirty five dollars USD. But yeah, like you do
Speaker 2: have to be consistent with it, I think in order
Speaker 2: to be able to keep your subscribers.
Speaker 1: How long is that video that you sell? For example?
Speaker 2: It depends. Sometimes it's ten minutes, sometimes it's thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: And do you edit it? Yeah, you edit it yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that like editing my own sex tape? Yes,
Speaker 2: it's interesting because again, like you know, I might catch
Speaker 2: myself at a weird angle and I'm very self critical,
Speaker 2: or maybe I say something stupid in the video. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh why did I say that? Or it's kind of weird,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's part of the job. Do you
Speaker 2: use filters on my videos?
Speaker 1: No? Are there filters that you can use?
Speaker 2: No, it's funny, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: They're like a Brazilian bikini wax filter.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: And so what about your parents? Tell me about them?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, interesting stories, both of those. So when I
Speaker 2: got fired for doing only offends, actually I didn't tell
Speaker 2: my mom. She thought I was working at this job
Speaker 2: for like four months after i'd been fired, because I
Speaker 2: was trying to work up the courage. I think what
Speaker 2: I wanted first was to have a bit of a resume,
Speaker 2: to be like, mom, look look how much money I'm making.
Speaker 2: Look what I've accomplished since Like, I wanted to have
Speaker 2: that before.
Speaker 1: I told her, when you say a resume, you wanted
Speaker 1: to have proof that financially. It was a good idea,
Speaker 1: not like, look at all these videos that I've made.
Speaker 1: Here's here's a selection of my work.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, I wanted her to see that I was
Speaker 2: going to be financially okay, Which is funny because I
Speaker 2: was about to tell her. I was probably like one
Speaker 2: week off telling her. I was figuring out what I
Speaker 2: was going to say, and seven News posted a media
Speaker 2: release arose on Facebook and it was a big picture
Speaker 2: of me OnlyFans model gets fired or something like that.
Speaker 2: And my mum's seen it while scrolling on Facebook, and
Speaker 2: she goes, that's my daughter, Like, what's she doing there?
Speaker 2: And obviously she read the article.
Speaker 1: So you told that story on TikTok and they just
Speaker 1: picked it up.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mom didn't speak to me for two weeks, and eventually
Speaker 2: she took my phone call and I said, Okay, what
Speaker 2: are your worries? What are you worried about? She was
Speaker 2: worried about stalkers. She was worried about what I'm going
Speaker 2: to do in five years, or what's going to happen
Speaker 2: when the money drives up, or what's my future plan?
Speaker 2: How am I going to find a partner and all
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. What am I going to tell
Speaker 2: my kids when I have them? And I had an
Speaker 2: answer for literally every single thing that she brought up,
Speaker 2: and once we had that phone call, ever since then,
Speaker 2: she's been one hundred percent supportive.
Speaker 1: I suppose as a parent. Was she worried that you
Speaker 1: didn't understand the longer term consequences of what you were doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and I explained to her. I was like, Mum,
Speaker 2: you need to understand I've been thinking about this for years,
Speaker 2: like I have thought about every possible pro and con
Speaker 2: and I've waited all up, and I know that this
Speaker 2: is what I meant to do.
Speaker 1: What have you seen in the industry, the sort of
Speaker 1: the downsides? Because you're obviously very successful, you've got a
Speaker 1: really clear head on your shoulders. You know exactly what
Speaker 1: you're doing and what you're not doing. Have you seen
Speaker 1: some pitfalls and some traps that you've specifically tried to avoid.
Speaker 2: I think I started at a time when it was
Speaker 2: very easy to be successful quickly, obviously not to the
Speaker 2: same degree that I am now. What I see a
Speaker 2: lot these days is these girls thinking that they're going
Speaker 2: to create an account and become millionaires overnight, and that
Speaker 2: is not it. Like, you have to work so hard
Speaker 2: to get followers, to get subscribers, to make sure your videos,
Speaker 2: like your social media videos, get seen, and really make
Speaker 2: a name and a brand for yourself. It is such
Speaker 2: hard work, and people really don't realize that. So I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of girls start an account having this
Speaker 2: idea in their head, and then you know, realizing, wait
Speaker 2: a second, is actually so much harder than I thought.
Speaker 2: This is too much work, I'm not being successful, And
Speaker 2: they try and go back to a job and they
Speaker 2: can't because they've gotten enough coverage or enough media coverage
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know that no one will take them back.
Speaker 2: So that's something I see a lot that's really sad.
Speaker 1: You've said that it's been the news stories that have
Speaker 1: really been the mainstream media stories, the Kyle and Jackie Oh,
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail, those kinds of stories that have really
Speaker 1: put a rocket up under your success, right, because without
Speaker 1: that would you have just sort of ticked along.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I was obviously doing well for myself. To
Speaker 2: put it into like numerical, I don't know. Yeah, before
Speaker 2: all of the success, I think I was in like
Speaker 2: the top zero point eight percent on only fans and
Speaker 2: now I'm zero point zero two percent. So like that
Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like much of a jump. That is
Speaker 2: like a huge leap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're pretty much the top of the tree now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only the next level up is zero point
Speaker 2: zero one, which is like your Anna Pols and your
Speaker 2: Mikayla Tester type vibe.
Speaker 1: And what do they do that's different to you?
Speaker 2: Well, they just have a huge, completely loyal international following
Speaker 2: that is like obsessed with them as people. They have
Speaker 2: a lot of female fans as well, which is hard
Speaker 2: to tap into.
Speaker 1: Is their content as graphic as yours.
Speaker 2: No, I've subscribed to both of them, and I know
Speaker 2: Mikayla does, but Anna not so much.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, firstly, just about your father.
Speaker 1: You're and the Daily Mail turning up on his doorstep.
Speaker 1: How did that roll?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well that was also not the best way for
Speaker 2: my parents to find out what I do. I sort
Speaker 2: of left my dad in the dark for a long time.
Speaker 2: He didn't know what I did for work. He knew
Speaker 2: that I wasn't doing my job anymore, but he thought
Speaker 2: I was just doing influencing and stuff full time. Just
Speaker 2: because I don't know. He was my dad and he's
Speaker 2: a lot older, he didn't really understand things, and I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just was a bit unsure of how
Speaker 2: he would react, and he's sort of off social media
Speaker 2: a bit, so I didn't think he would ever find out,
Speaker 2: And honestly, he didn't until the Daily Mail showed up
Speaker 2: at his door in October of last year asking for
Speaker 2: comments on his sex addicts daughter. I think they said
Speaker 2: to him, and he called me up and was like,
Speaker 2: why did I just have the Daily Mail knocking on
Speaker 2: my door saying that my daughter is a sex maniac?
Speaker 2: What is going on, and my heart just sunk and
Speaker 2: I felt so sick, and I just wanted to cry
Speaker 2: because I felt so bad that they had invaded his
Speaker 2: privacy like that. Worst of all, he didn't know what
Speaker 2: they were talking about, and then they took that story
Speaker 2: and ran with it, and that, yeah, that they told
Speaker 2: him rather than me, So that would have been really
Speaker 2: hard for him. But we had a chat on the phone,
Speaker 2: and like my mum, he was just super supportive and
Speaker 2: he understands it all. And I think once he knew
Speaker 2: how much money I was earning a month, he understood
Speaker 2: it a bit more.
Speaker 1: Can you explain the difference between if there is indeed
Speaker 1: one only fans porn and sex work.
Speaker 2: Sex work's quite broad. It could be anything from stripping
Speaker 2: to escorting, to only fans anything in that sort of
Speaker 2: those sort of areas. Only fans itself is when you're
Speaker 2: just online like a digital creator, which is what I am.
Speaker 2: I guess you could call what I do porn as well.
Speaker 2: But obviously there's more mainstream porn, which is like on
Speaker 2: those sites like porn Harbor and all of that, which
Speaker 2: is free. I don't do that. It's very different business
Speaker 2: model too. Only fans.
Speaker 1: Can you explain the difference in the business model, because
Speaker 1: your life and what you describe is very different to
Speaker 1: what people would think of as a traditional porn staff.
Speaker 2: I can't speak too much because I haven't looked into
Speaker 2: the porn harb and all of that too much. But
Speaker 2: I think I am my own boss. I work for myself.
Speaker 2: I charge a price, and it is only my content
Speaker 2: being featured on that page. Whereas on porn Hub there
Speaker 2: is amateur stuff, but a lot of it is like
Speaker 2: overly produced. They have like a big production crew. You're
Speaker 2: not necessarily working for yourself. You might be getting a
Speaker 2: cut as a porn star as opposed to me, who
Speaker 2: I get to keep one hundred percent of my money.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's those are like the major differences. But
Speaker 2: if I wanted to, I could post my videos to
Speaker 2: porn Hub as well, but I personally choose not to
Speaker 2: do that because I feel like it's taking away revenue
Speaker 2: from my only fans.
Speaker 1: In terms of the slippery slope, I imagine that you're
Speaker 1: offered more and more money to do more and more
Speaker 1: extreme things.
Speaker 2: Is that is that right on only fans? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been offered quite a lot of money to do
Speaker 2: things that I'm not comfortable doing, like what, oh, like
Speaker 2: a lot of custom videos, which is when a subscriber
Speaker 2: will say, Hey, I want you to make these videos
Speaker 2: personally for me, and this is what I want you
Speaker 2: to do, and I'm not comfortable doing it. It might
Speaker 2: have something to do with like BDSM or urinating or
Speaker 2: defecating that kind of thing, So that's not for me,
Speaker 2: and that's where I definitely draw the line.
Speaker 1: Do people also say I'll pay you X amount of
Speaker 1: money if you'll have sex with me.
Speaker 2: Yep, all the time. And it's very annoying because if
Speaker 2: I was to go back and say yes, let's do it,
Speaker 2: which I never would, only fans would ban me from
Speaker 2: the site really because you're not allowed to organize meetups
Speaker 2: and you're not allowed to organize that type of thing,
Speaker 2: which makes sense because obviously there's like safety reasons and
Speaker 2: all of.
Speaker 1: That, so they can't be held liable. Yeah, still to come.
Speaker 1: I asked the question Annie, how much money do you make?
Speaker 1: She was very open, very honest about exactly how much
Speaker 1: she makes per month, and it's a lot.
Speaker 2: I have bought two properties and I have saved quite
Speaker 2: a bit of money for travel this year, and I
Speaker 2: am now currently trying to off both of those mortgages
Speaker 2: on those properties, hopefully in the next year if I can.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about marketing. Your business brain
Speaker 1: is obviously still whirring along.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Your content, at first I've heard you say, was kind
Speaker 1: of girl next Door. Everybody has to have an angle
Speaker 1: on OnlyFans. I imagine Girl next Door is fairly common,
Speaker 1: fairly easy to do, fairly you know, basic entry level.
Speaker 1: When did you come up with the idea of Australia's
Speaker 1: most promiscuous or sexually active woman.
Speaker 2: It was probably like early or not early early to
Speaker 2: mid last year, so twenty twenty three. And it didn't
Speaker 2: start with me thinking, oh well, I'm just gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: start making these crazy videos. It sort of happened slowly.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this happened to me, I'll share
Speaker 2: it on TikTok, and then that video just went super
Speaker 2: viral and I was like, okay, actually, you know what happened.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to go back to my
Speaker 2: old videos they used to make, which were more storytelling
Speaker 2: type vibes because they used to do really well and
Speaker 2: first traps and all of that just don't cutting it
Speaker 2: on TikTok anymore. So yeah, I just thought, oh, well,
Speaker 2: this happened to me the other day, I'll share that
Speaker 2: on TikTok. That went viral. I thought, oh, I'll do
Speaker 2: it again, and then that went viral and it kind
Speaker 2: of just kept snowballing until, like you know, Carl and
Speaker 2: Jackie O were asking me to come on their show,
Speaker 2: and things just sort of went from there.
Speaker 1: What sort of stories were you telling just about sex?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my sexual experiences. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And what made Kyle and Jackie O's producer pick up
Speaker 1: the phone.
Speaker 2: I think she just saw me on TikTok and thought,
Speaker 2: we love how sex positive this girl is. And you know,
Speaker 2: I've never heard of someone have this kind of goal
Speaker 2: before or not. I don't even think I had a
Speaker 2: goal at that point. She just saw all the videos
Speaker 2: I'd been making and then called me up and was like,
Speaker 2: we absolutely loved that. We're very sex positive at Kyl
Speaker 2: and Jackieyo, and we want to hear more about it.
Speaker 2: And then I went on their show and that's when
Speaker 2: I mentioned that I'd slept with three hundred people in
Speaker 2: a year, and that's where the title came from.
Speaker 1: Did you give yourself that title or was that a
Speaker 1: Daily Mail creation or a creation that was a.
Speaker 2: Carl and Jackie Oe creation. They came up with that
Speaker 2: title and they approved it with me. First, they said,
Speaker 2: are you okay for us to call you this? And
Speaker 2: I was like, go for your life?
Speaker 1: Did you feel like you had to tell anybody?
Speaker 2: I called my mom before I did the interview to
Speaker 2: tell her, Hey, Mom, just so you know this is
Speaker 2: coming out. We spoke about it beforehand and obviously yeah,
Speaker 2: she was like, do what you gonna do? That's that's fine.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: How did what was your OnlyFans subscriber account numbers before?
Speaker 1: And then what was the trajectory afterwards?
Speaker 2: I think my subscriber account before was like a thousand
Speaker 2: or maybe twelve hundred actually.
Speaker 1: Paying how much? How much were they all paying?
Speaker 2: Fifteen dollars a month? And then I shot to twelve
Speaker 2: thousand subscribers, so big jump and also fifteen dollars a month.
Speaker 1: So going from being famous on OnlyFans to being mainstream visible.
Speaker 1: The Daily Mail Loved You, does lots of stories about you,
Speaker 1: Australia's most I just thought the word promiscuous was such
Speaker 1: a such a bridgeton word, you're so promiscuous that obviously
Speaker 1: became something that worked. At what point did you hire
Speaker 1: a publicist.
Speaker 2: In October last year? My publicist is actually she was
Speaker 2: in the industry herself and started to create her own
Speaker 2: PR agency Million Billion, And as soon as I saw
Speaker 2: she created an agency, I thought, I want to join.
Speaker 2: I've seen how much publicity she gets for herself or
Speaker 2: had gotten for herself, and I want to keep the
Speaker 2: ball rolling. I want to keep on top of this.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure I'm still making this amount
Speaker 2: of money that I am now. Yeah, that's sort of
Speaker 2: when I hired her. I think it was, yeah, like October,
Speaker 2: and she's been great.
Speaker 1: How much money are you making anywhere.
Speaker 2: From like two hundred to two hundred and fifty K
Speaker 2: a month?
Speaker 1: And what do you do with that money?
Speaker 2: I have bought two properties and I have saved quite
Speaker 2: a bit of money for travel this year, and I
Speaker 2: am now currently trying to pay off both of those
Speaker 2: mortgages on those properties, hopefully in the next year if
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 1: When you met with a publicist, did you say what
Speaker 1: do you want to achieve? What are your goals?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, we had a big chat about what my
Speaker 2: goals were, and yeah, where I wanted to be and
Speaker 2: what I wanted.
Speaker 1: To do, and what are you goals?
Speaker 2: I just want to keep getting bigger and bigger and
Speaker 2: be able to, I guess, make a name for myself
Speaker 2: one day. I would love to own my own business.
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to have my own business, but I
Speaker 2: want to make sure I have enough of a reach
Speaker 2: to be able to do that successfully. I would love
Speaker 2: to do a bit of like a bit more mainstream media.
Speaker 2: I have my own podcast, Double Dose, that I absolutely
Speaker 2: love doing, so, you know, doing stuff like radio stuff.
Speaker 2: I would absolutely love.
Speaker 1: When you say you start your own business, I mean
Speaker 1: you have your own business now right, You are your
Speaker 1: your own business. Do you mean like sell products? Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: like what kinds of products? Well.
Speaker 2: I used to own a swimwear brand that i'd started
Speaker 2: myself for myself twenty seventeen and I did that for
Speaker 2: three years and I loved it, but I had to
Speaker 2: stop because I started working in marketing full time and
Speaker 2: I just didn't have the time to keep doing it.
Speaker 2: So I would love to do something like that again,
Speaker 2: whether it be you know, clothing, swimwear, anything like that.
Speaker 1: When you said you're busy and you don't have much time.
Speaker 1: What does a day look like? How much of a
Speaker 1: day is spent creating content? And how much a visit
Speaker 1: on admin?
Speaker 2: Most of my life is admin media traveling, Like I
Speaker 2: do a lot of traveling back and forth from like Melbourne,
Speaker 2: gold Cross, I mean, I mean Adelaide at the moment.
Speaker 1: Why do you have to travel?
Speaker 2: Well, A lot of the time I do collabs in
Speaker 2: different states. I also have family and friends in different
Speaker 2: states as well, so trying to spend my time with
Speaker 2: them as well.
Speaker 1: And how to collabse work collabs.
Speaker 2: I guess like if you see a creator online that
Speaker 2: you think might look good with you in a video,
Speaker 2: or maybe you've gotten requests on your only fans saying hey,
Speaker 2: I really want you to work with this creator, and
Speaker 2: you get multiple requests for it, then you go, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: Well let's do it because it will obviously sell well.
Speaker 2: And that's when I might fly down to Melbourne or
Speaker 2: fly somewhere to do a collaboration.
Speaker 1: Friends. That was not the end of my conversation with Annie.
Speaker 1: I had more questions. We kept the microphones going to
Speaker 1: record some extra content for our subscribers.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think also there was an element of
Speaker 2: you know, I've got a goal and I want to
Speaker 2: achieve it. Once all the headlines came out, I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: what can I do next? It's gonna up that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it kind of became a challenge for me. Men like
Speaker 2: to see you with a dildo, maybe cowgirl, reverse cowgirl,
Speaker 2: that type of thing, or doggie or.
Speaker 1: By yourself reverse cowgirl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that type of thing. I offer the girlfriend experience,
Speaker 2: I think going back to that whole girl next door
Speaker 2: thing almost It's like that's the appeal to me, is
Speaker 2: that it does feel like they sort of have a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: But before I tell you about what else I had
Speaker 1: to ask her, I just want to set the scene
Speaker 1: for you a little bit, which I probably should have
Speaker 1: done at the start. But because podcasting is a visual medium,
Speaker 1: you might not have seen the clips that we put
Speaker 1: up on social Let me describe to you what I
Speaker 1: was looking at during that conversation. I was in the
Speaker 1: studio at Mama Mia with my big cup of tea,
Speaker 1: and Annie was in a hotel room in Adelaide, and
Speaker 1: I could see the bed in the background, and I
Speaker 1: kept glancing at it and thinking about what had probably
Speaker 1: just gone on in that bed, on that bed, around
Speaker 1: that bed, against that bed earlier in the day. And look,
Speaker 1: I guess you could say the same about anyone's bed, really,
Speaker 1: because you know that's where most people do have sex.
Speaker 1: But the fact that she says she swept with three
Speaker 1: hundred people last year, and I had questions about how
Speaker 1: that actually worked, plus her goal for twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: which is fairly ambitious. And of course I needed to
Speaker 1: know what a cream pie was she mentioned it. I
Speaker 1: didn't bring up cream pies. How could I didn't know
Speaker 1: what they were. I do now, and you will too
Speaker 1: after you listen. So subscribers and anyone else who wants
Speaker 1: to listen, there is a link in the show notes.
Speaker 1: You can do it right now. Maybe you've had enough,
Speaker 1: Maybe you just know all the things you need to know.
Speaker 1: Maybe you already know what a cream pie is.
Speaker 2: Go you.
Speaker 1: This episode of No Filter was produced by GM moylan
Speaker 1: and Kimberly Bradish, with sound production by Leah Paulges. I'm
Speaker 1: mea Friedman and it is a privilege to be in
Speaker 1: your ears. And here's that voice note from Annie, who
Speaker 1: has got an update as to what she's going to
Speaker 1: be doing at schoolies and addressing all of the controversy
Speaker 1: around that.
Speaker 2: So a lot has been going on since the last
Speaker 2: time I spoke on Mamma Mia. I have been working
Speaker 2: really hard at my six hundred people challenge. For those
Speaker 2: who don't know, I'm trying to sleep with six hundred
Speaker 2: people in a year. I'm currently up to five hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty and we at the start of November, so
Speaker 2: I still have just under two months ago. I'm really excited.
Speaker 2: I'm doing super well. I feel like I might go
Speaker 2: above and beyond my six hundred goal. If I do
Speaker 2: hit six hundred, I certainly won't be stopping.
Speaker 3: So a bit of an update on the schoolies' front.
Speaker 3: Bonnie's visa has been canceled. She's appealed the decision, so
Speaker 3: we're really hoping that her appeal will be successful and
Speaker 3: that they'll withdraw the cancelation and she have to come
Speaker 3: back to Australia and schoolies will go ahead as planned.
Speaker 3: But Bonnie and I are very much doing Schoolies together.
Speaker 1: Either way.
Speaker 2: We're super excited.
Speaker 3: This has been in the works for so long and
Speaker 3: we can't wait to meddle schoolies and get some good
Speaker 3: content and I can't wait to see Bonnie again.
Speaker 2: It's been quite a long time. We are personally super excited,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately some people don't have the same view. We've
Speaker 2: had a lot of people say that we're going to
Speaker 2: be filming with miners or people that are under a
Speaker 2: which is just completely not true. We are going to
Speaker 2: be double checking IDs. They're going to have to present
Speaker 2: us with two forms of IDs. We'll have security guards
Speaker 2: there as well, also checking these IDs to make sure
Speaker 2: that they're not feks. But we will only be filming
Speaker 2: with people over the age of eighteen. We've got consent
Speaker 2: forms ready to be signed, basically saying that they consent
Speaker 2: to the session. I guess we could call it being
Speaker 2: recorded and then sold on our platforms. We have openly
Speaker 2: said that at any stage, should they withdraw consent, then
Speaker 2: we will take that video down. So if we start
Speaker 2: selling that video and in a week or a year
Speaker 2: or ten years they message us and say we withdraw
Speaker 2: consent we want that video taken down, it will be
Speaker 2: taken down. There's also a lot of concern over people
Speaker 2: saying that this is going to ruin these They refer
Speaker 2: to them as kids, although we refer to them as
Speaker 2: adults or men as they are eighteen, their future and
Speaker 2: their ability to get a job in the future. But
Speaker 2: I say that that's ridiculous. Because they are anonymous, they
Speaker 2: will have their face blacked out, no one will be
Speaker 2: able to tell that it's them. The videos will only
Speaker 2: be sold behind a paywall on our only fans, so
Speaker 2: only those willing to purchase the video will be able
Speaker 2: to view it. It's not being sold on any sites
Speaker 2: like pornhub or anything like that. That's just like open
Speaker 2: for anyone to view at any time. So yeah, Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this backlash comes from, you know,
Speaker 2: people being uneducated. They have just assumed a lot of
Speaker 2: things without actually checking the facts or asking Bonnie or
Speaker 2: myself the truth. But despite of the backlash and everything,
Speaker 2: we are both very excited for schools. We think it's
Speaker 2: going to be lots of fun. It's a very safe environment,
Speaker 2: very respectful. I think, if anything, you know, this is
Speaker 2: the perfect way for a young person to have their
Speaker 2: first experience in a safe environment with two experienced women
Speaker 2: who are very respectful, very consensual. Also, I forgot to mention,
Speaker 2: be asked to do a breathalyzer test to make sure
Speaker 2: that they have zero alcohol in their system. So we
Speaker 2: don't obviously don't want anyone making a bad choice or
Speaker 2: what others would refer to as a bad choice under
Speaker 2: the influence of alcohol. We want to make sure that
Speaker 2: they're completely clear headed and sober when they make that decision.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they will have to blow double zeros just
Speaker 2: to YEA, to make sure that they're making that decision
Speaker 2: on their own will and not because they're under the
Speaker 2: influence of alcohol. So that's another thing that we've put
Speaker 2: in place. So Bonnie and I have really thought this
Speaker 2: through and we're really excited. I have some really exciting
Speaker 2: things playing for next year as well. Bonnie and I
Speaker 2: have had a lot of fun doing this, so I
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be the last thing we
Speaker 2: do together. But yeah, I'm really excited for the rest
Speaker 2: of the year. We're so close to hitting my goal,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm going to be filming the rest of
Speaker 2: my adventures and uploading them on my platform for anyone
Speaker 2: who's interested in viewing them. And yeah, it's going to
Speaker 2: be a lot of fun.