WEBVTT - So, Are You A Popcorn Mum? 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:08.600 Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast that takes parenting 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.200 culture seriously, but not too seriously. We sort of talk 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.600 about the news and the trends and the culture. We 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.480 basically read everything on the internet so that you don't 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.400 have to, and then we make sense of it. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.560 I'm on a Bowley, I'm Amelia Lester, and I'm Stacey Higgs. 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.400 Okay, from the podcast that brought you six seven. I 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.400 just have to interject with a new slang term that 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.000 I think we all need to know. All right, I 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:32.959 know how Stacey bought us six seven before anyone had 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:33.880 ever heard of it? 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:35.559 Is this so like we haven't even talked about what's 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:37.760 coming up on the show today is so urgent? 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.680 Okay, all right, guy, fifteen year old, an actual, real 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.960 life fifteen year old told me about a new word 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.879 that I'm actually finding sort of useful in. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.800 Everyday life, and you may first. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.280 I want to be first, and I want our listeners 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.400 to be able to use this and embarrass themselves just 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:55.280 like I am. Okay, the word is low cer canuinely. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.440 Oh sorry, I got it wrong, low canuinely Okay. It's 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.560 a mix of low key and genuinely start So I 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.320 find it hard to actually pronounce. You have to say, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.759 first of all, Stacy, say say genuinely genuinely, Now say 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:16.000 canuinely canuinely, Now say low canuinely, Low canuinely. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:17.600 This is not going to catch on. 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:19.800 No, it is. I'm using it. It's it sort of 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:20.800 has a certain like. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:21.960 Can you use it in a sentence? 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.440 You can? But okay, there's one Oh, yes, can you 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:25.720 use it in a sentence? 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:26.199 Yes? 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.480 One rule is you cannot start the sentence with it, 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.600 So you can't be like, no, low canuinely I really 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.200 want a coffee. It has to be like I low 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.600 canuinely really want a coffee. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:38.760 It's just not going to catch it. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:43.039 I challenge both of you, and also the parenting out 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.920 loud listeners to use it at least once this week, 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.920 ideally in a meeting with a lot of other people around, 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:50.360 and see whether it takes off. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.640 I'm really struggling with this. How would you use it in 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:53.120 a sentence? 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.920 I'm trying to think how you'd say, I think I'm 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.920 like ready for bed, low canuinely. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:01:59.520 No. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.600 Middle of the sentence, I think I'm low canuinely ready 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.240 for bed. Ok Wait, So you have to use it 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.400 the front of the sentence, anywhere in the sentence, but 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:08.720 not at the end. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.320 Okay, Okay, cool God, I. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:13.399 Think we should get on with the show. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.799 I actually feel very unsettled that you knew a cool 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:16.440 word before me. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.640 Look, I have an fhew and he may be trolling me, 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.279 but I felt it was my duty to past knowledge. 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:28.840 I'm like genuinely into it in an Adelaide accent. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:29.720 Yep, all right. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.160 Coming up on today's show, do you change the way 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.320 you parent around other people? You might just be a 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.400 popcorn mum. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.400 And the TV show that everyone is watching made a 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.120 huge parenting error. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.960 Prince Harry Hamish Blake this week. I'm on the dad beat. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.560 But first, you might, even if your kids are well 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.400 past this stage, still have nightmares about not being able 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.760 to swaddle. Yep, you know you don't mind. You were 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.520 perfect at swaddling. I can just tell. Well. TV's favorite doctor, 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.760 who was Doctor Robbie on the Pit, has ignited a 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.359 firestorm online because while he knows how to do all 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.160 sorts of medical procedures, he knows how to intubate people 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:09.760 and perform heart surgery. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.840 On the fly, he does not know how to swaddle. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.040 I saw this because I'm a huge fan of the pit. 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.880 It was the season finale last week, so everyone was 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.920 watching it. This is a show that prides itself on 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:23.600 attention to detail. There are doctors who watch this and go, wow, 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.880 they really nailed that procedure and what they can't? He can't. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:29.400 He's just fallen at the final hurdle. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.840 He just so. It was meant to be this really 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.280 moving tender scene where a baby that was abandoned in 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.600 the hospital waiting room is crying and doctor Robbie goes 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.080 in and picks up the baby and he says, what's wrong? 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.000 Do you need a swaddle? And then he proceeds to 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.240 put the baby down on a blanket and just kind 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.440 of fold it or flop it over the baby. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.640 Oh so the baby's not secure and smart, holding its 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.000 little arms like that like the Origami. 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:58.880 And then he picks the baby up and the baby 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.720 stops crying. I'm sorry, that's never happened. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.360 Did you yell at the screen like that? 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.720 I did not, because I cannot swaddle. And I think 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.640 I've spoken on this show before about an amazing Australian 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.600 startup business called baby or a Gami that sells swaddles 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.080 for dummies, which are basically numbered so you can just 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.919 like follow the numbers to learn how to swaddle. I 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.880 send this to everyone who has a new baby because 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.400 I find it very difficult. So I didn't yell at 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:25.440 the screen, but did you. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.279 I texted my husband. I said, he cocked up the 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:33.479 swaddle no context? Yeah, yeah, do you know what he needed? 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.120 Though? Just one of the ones with the zips. I 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.280 could never do it. I just gave up. We got 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:39.839 the ones with the zips with the little with the 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.200 hands out. Yeah, like, that's so cute. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.560 Look in other TV news, something equally controversial. The star 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:51.000 of Shits Creaked, Dan Levy. He has said something very divisive. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.279 He was interviewed in one of those like New York 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.279 Man on the Street segments that seemed to be a 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.600 dimer dozen these days, and this is what he had 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:57.960 to say. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.680 What is a hell you're willing to die on? 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.800 I firmly believe there should be one airline flight with 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:04.640 no babies. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.160 Mons were you offended? 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.680 Do you know what was really interesting was the reaction 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:13.359 to this, because it was a lot people agreed with 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.960 Dan Leeby people were saying, you know what, I'm kind 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.479 of with you like I have kids, and I agree 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.800 that not having the anxiety and the stress of my 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.839 baby interrupting the whole plane cabin would be kind of nice. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:26.440 It would be kind of nice. Like when you go 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.440 to the movies and they run those sessions that are 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.840 just for kids. The air equivalent of that would be 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:33.880 very helpful to a lot of anxious parents. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.200 Yeah, but I also want to be on the plane 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:37.800 with no babies. I don't want to be on a 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.520 plane that's now got more babies on it because you're 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.120 having your child free plane. 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.440 I don't want to be around other people's babies either. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.680 I think you're both wrong once you get past the 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.400 crying baby stage. To me, the most soothing sound in 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.960 the world is a baby crying that is not my baby. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:52.680 Yeah. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.719 I would get on the plane with all the babies 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:56.880 just to enjoy the fact that it was none of 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.400 my business and I didn't have to swaddle them. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:04.120 Yeah, guys, Prince Harry was in Australia last week. He 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:05.240 realized had. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.520 A million photos. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.839 I know, and will I felt like my algorithm was 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.719 full of Megan coverage, right. It was Megan this, Meghan that, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.719 And I did see Prince Harry in the periphery and 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.920 I saw he went to Bondi, he went to the rugby. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.760 He kicked a football. But there was something he did 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.440 which I think got buried and I'm digging it up. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.280 He did this thing with Novamba, which is you know, 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.640 the mustache charity. They actually do a lot of advocacy 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:37.480 for men's health, and they released a report last week 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:42.000 about new dads and mental health and guys, the dads 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:46.040 are not okay. In this report, it said three out 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.120 of five dads say no, one not a doctor, not 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:53.240 a midwife, not a friend, asked them if they were 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.039 doing okay, and one in five dads is really lonely. 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:01.160 And I just want to say, it's screened for it. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.600 And that's what this men's health program are asking there, saying, Hey, 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.400 we think we should probably do a post natal screening 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.360 for dads like we do for mums, because there's all 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.680 these dads that are just kind of falling through the gaps. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.800 And I wanted to talk about it today because I 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.320 feel like we ask dads to step up all the time, 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.679 and this cultural movement of good dads and great dads, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.960 and we talk a lot on this show about how 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.160 dadding has changed in the last you know, decade or 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.520 in this generation even, But it does feel like we 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.720 want more from them, but the structural supports are not 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:35.320 there to help them get there. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.040 Yeah, and Harry actually spoke about his own challenges as 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.520 a new dad. He said to the dads and soon 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.559 to be dads, Yes, it's messy. You'll have a roller 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.960 coaster of emotions, and don't judge yourself. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.760 There's lots of crazy science behind it. Like there's all 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.560 this science saying that when you become a parent for 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.440 the first time, the neurological changes are the most you'll 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.880 ever have in your life. Like it's really significant the 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.600 way that your brain chemistry changes. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.960 Well, and they've discovered also that men who have just 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.800 had children their testoster own drops as well. So there's 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.679 hormonal changes happening that we don't want to talk about 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:11.320 or recognize. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.840 Yeah, there's brain chemistry changes that happen where you're a 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.480 min deala flies fires off a lot more so you're 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.360 more anxious. Not just mums, dads as well. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.960 But I have to admit when you first raised this 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.080 with me, I kind of I did roll my eyes 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.480 a little bit because I think I was like oh, 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.920 Harry's got all the privilege in the world, Like, do 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.720 I have to feel bad for Prince Harry in this situation? 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.560 And then when I was thinking more carefully about my 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.959 reaction to that, I think it was like a weird 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.920 little bit of jealousy maybe or resentment or something, because 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.360 I started thinking, well, I didn't really get asked that 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.000 much if I was okay when I had my baby either, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.200 and I had you know, what would be considered a 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.640 traumatic birth. I had a long hospital stay and you know, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.240 the poor overworked midwife that the community nurse that came 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.760 to check on me afterwards. When I kind of half 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.680 that subject, it was pretty quickly brushed over. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.120 Okay, did you get the post natal screening for depression 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:06.680 and anxiety? 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:07.840 I you remember my question naire? 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:08.280 Yeah? 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:08.840 I did. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.880 But I think that it's something that needs to be 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.240 looked at a lot more across the board. But Harry, 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.000 I love how I'm just calling him Harry has When 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.480 has raised this, it made me think a lot about 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.920 my reaction now to friends of mine that have babies, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.600 because I had a hard time. Now when people I 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.880 know have babies, I'm very much in their face being like, no, 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.280 don't just tell me you're okay surface level? Are you? 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:32.840 Actually? 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.839 What can I do here? I'm going to just start 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:36.520 doing stuff for you and you can tell me to 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.560 stop if you want, but at least I'm there. But 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.880 I realized I have never asked the dads. In fact, 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.040 I have completely ignored the dad friends and focused in 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.359 on the mum. And you're right, it's just not really considered. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.640 So there needs to be a recalibration of how like 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.160 they are much more involved now, so of course they'd 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:54.600 be more affected postpartum. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.920 Yeah, it's hard though, isn't it. Because actually, just this 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:02.440 week a friend of mine has not newborn but a toddler, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.719 and she was struggling with really serious sleep deprivation and 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.560 she was sending me texts which made me think that 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:15.440 she needed someone closer in geographic terms to her to 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.880 check on her, because she was saying she hadn't slept 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.600 in days. She was thinking that she'd have to like 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.719 call into work and say she couldn't come into work. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.840 She was worried about even getting in the car and driving, 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.040 and that kind of like amorphous issue where it's like, 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.760 I'm not sleeping, I don't feel right. It's really hard 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.960 as friends to know what to do about it. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.320 But I think the point is that you checked in 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.760 with this woman, right, Yeah, so women have this village. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.480 I know we talk in the show about how the 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.440 village has broken down, but we do have some sort 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.040 of village. We have midwives checking in, we have a 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.480 doctor checking in on doing the postnatult screening. We have 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.560 friends that all text, We have WhatsApp groups, we have 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.800 social media algorithms and Facebook groups that feed us constantly. Right, 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.440 so we do feel like we are in touch. Men 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.160 have a WhatsApp group where they share memes with each other. 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.480 You know, maybe it is changing though, at least in 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:11.480 Australia because this week Mon's You've mentioned to me that 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.040 Hamish Blake came on a podcast to talk about the 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.439 fact that he does lean on informal social networks to 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.679 educate him or to inspire how he parents. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.240 Yeah, that's right. So their podcast was Hamish Blake talking 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.040 to Mark Burris on straight Talk And it's such a 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.079 great listen. But if you don't have the sort of 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.000 nineteen minutes free because you're too busy listening to us 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.400 and the back catalogs of us, I'll give you the 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:40.880 cliff notes. He did talk about how modern dads don't 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.120 have a lot of information, there is not a lot 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.880 out there for them to draw on, and he's a 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:46.439 little bit from that. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.960 Actually, I think men really do want to talk about 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.960 being dads and the fact that anyone that's a younger 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.079 dad or any dad is trying to do it different 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.400 than their dad did it. And sometimes you're borrowing from 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.800 your father's playbook, but other times, and i'd include myself 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.040 in this, with all due respect to my old man, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.120 I'm not borrowing from his playbook if I really dig 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.360 down it. Some of my core philosophies are just like 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.680 things I overheard someone say at a barbecue and I'm like, Oh, 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:13.920 that's a cool thing to do with you. 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:14.360 I'll try that. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.000 How might do that? And I was like, I think 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:17.760 we're doing that a lot as dads because there's not 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.520 tons of resources necessarily for dads these days. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:21.440 I love that. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.600 Yeah, So, I mean this is the philosophy behind his 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.280 podcast How other Dad's Dad? 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:25.560 Right? 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.920 He was like, there is this yawning gap where no 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.160 one is talking about what they do and we're not 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.680 sharing this information like women do, like mums do. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.000 I guess it's almost like women are kind of overwhelmed 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.960 with guidance to the point where sometimes it can feel 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.280 a bit oppressive that this is the way that you 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.240 should parent, this is the way you should be a mum. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.000 But dads don't have a complete dearth or vacuum of 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.280 information about how to go about things. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:50.880 Do you think it's cultural as well? Is it a 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.360 bit of Australian like she'll be right, and is it 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.160 kind of man up, you know, get on with it? 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.520 Maybe because it's that thing they say, isn't it about 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.920 how women like bond face to face, like we'll lean 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.960 into one another across a dinner table, across a coffee 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.720 But men need to do that shoulder to shoulder like 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.240 they need to be playing golf for like walking next 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.240 to one another or in a car to be able 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.080 to share what's going on with them, like they find 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.480 it a lot harder to do. So I do think 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.160 it's that thing of oh, like, just you know, you're fine, 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.520 You wouldn't need that, you know, that feels like a 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.400 feminine thing to do. But it's great that there are 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.800 people now saying, well, no, like we where do we turn? 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.000 Like what do we look at? 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.480 Yeah? Okay, I burst into the studio today with a 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.199 TikTok trend that I feel I have discovered, and I. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.640 That you low canuinely feel you've discovered. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.920 Absolutely, I wasn't low genuinely about it. I was super 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:48.080 excited about it. It's called the Analog Bag and it's 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.040 the smug parents substitute for screen time. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:51.800 Have you heard of this? 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.000 I have? Yes? 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.200 But what is that face, Stacy? 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.720 I think one of us is kind of the the 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.440 mistro the smothest of us all. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:02.000 Look. 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.800 I feel like a failure in a lot of elements 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.040 of parenting, one of which we'll get to later. But 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:08.840 this is my this is my area. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.559 Okay. What is it? 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.920 The Analog Bag? For anyone that hasn't heard of, it 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.160 is a flex It is is a tiny, little like 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:17.600 sort of linen bag that you pack. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:18.240 We need to. 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.560 I think everyone I've seen so far has been why 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:22.240 would you have plans? 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.120 What about my son's minecraft show bag? 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.600 No? I don't think that's going to fit. The aesthetic 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.400 of the bag, and inside it is kind of like 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.880 very wholesome screen free activities for children. So there might 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.479 be a crayon, a pine. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:41.040 Cost single that will use that two seconds. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.560 Yeah, do you want to leave this to an expert 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.920 and I can show you everything that's in my bag. 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.040 I'm so not surprised you have an analog bag because 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.040 we know that you are the mother on this show 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.920 who is highly organized. You also have a bag in 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.880 the back of your car as well. Yeah, I do, 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:57.040 all right, show us yourself. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.400 I brought it in to show you. Okay. We call 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:00.480 it the cafe. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.360 So it's like if you're going to a restaurant or 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.360 a cafe and you don't want them to make a scene. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.560 It's purely driven from me wanting my child to be 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.880 quiet and behave. You'll love the things I haven't. It's 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.920 quite large for any it is listening. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.400 Yes, it's the size of sort of a library bag 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.440 that you take to a local library, and it is 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.240 chock full that Virgin Australia would have you weigh that 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:20.640 before you. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.680 It ain't got stick of books, okay, okay, mermaids the 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.680 first thing mermaid sick book. This is the thing that 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.880 people are always impressed by. A clipboard so that they 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.240 can stick the piece of paper they're coloring on into 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:33.880 the clipboard so it doesn't roll away. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.480 Are you not sitting at a table at the cash Yeah, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.840 but just you know, stay contained. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.480 We're now on vodcast. Can you please hold it up 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.120 and display it to the camera. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.960 There we go with texts inside so you don't lose them. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.720 So that just loose paper inside, loose. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:55.600 Paper inside to draw mini magnetic tiles to do at 0:15:55.640 --> 0:16:00.320 the table. Magnetic Everyone loves doing them, including the at all. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:05.560 She thinks she's better than us magnetic tiles. No, I 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.320 really don't, and I don't want to be that person's 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.160 like screens because we watch it a lot at home, 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:10.760 but this is. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.360 What we do out in public, so that I look 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:13.760 like a lot of US screens at home. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:19.040 I definitely do like poppers, fidget spines, more coloring in 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:23.080 this little tube. Okay, oh, this is my wankiest one 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.320 pine cone. This is my wankiest one. Sewing. It's little 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.000 sewing kids. Sorry for the scrunch for anyone listening. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.040 And slime. 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.840 Okay, okay, this is almost too much stuff. 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.160 Okay, and walkie talkies. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.760 What so if she meets a random kid in the 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.360 cafe and they want to play, they can go and 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:41.320 do the walkie talkies. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.480 Did you just make this up? Did you see this 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.040 on Pinterest. What happened now? 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.680 I've just added random crap to this over the last 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:48.320 five years. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.480 Was this an idea that you came up with yourself 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:51.760 or did you see it and copy someone? 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.600 No, I literally did this myself. I was ahead of 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.200 the curve and now someone's just given it a cool name. 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.360 She is ahead of the curve, Yeah, she is. I've 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.480 actually got an analog bag too that I brought in. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.080 What hell did you actually? What is it? 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.520 Also, Linen, do you want to see what's in my 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:08.200 analog book? 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:15.560 They're a iPad for the She stuck her finger of 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.160 her Yeah, it's just a finger, it's a middle finger. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.520 That's what's in my analo bag. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:20.320 No. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:21.960 Look, honestly, I don't want to judge it, right, I 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:23.800 don't want to be judging because I actually think it's 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:25.919 a great trend. Like I hadn't seen it before, and 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.240 I think I saw it and I felt this weird 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.159 emotional reaction of I hate it. But I think I 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.919 felt that because I was jealous and I was like, ah, 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:35.600 I want one. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.600 Yeah, I honestly, it is really handy and like I said, yes, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.720