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Speaker 1: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick, and

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Speaker 1: on today's show, we are talking about Liam Payne, a

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Speaker 1: the world. He has tragically died and we're going to

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Speaker 1: be getting into his career, the fandom behind One Direction

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Speaker 1: and his music, as well as the complicated legacy he

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Speaker 1: the third floor of a hotel balcony in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

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Speaker 1: He was thirty one years old, and it's been reported

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Speaker 1: called that described an aggressive man who could be under

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Speaker 1: the effects of drugs and alcohol. Liam is survived by

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Speaker 1: his parents' sisters and his son Bear Pain that he

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Speaker 1: shares would sing as Sheryl Cole. When this news broke,

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Speaker 1: I think every single one of my group chats immediately

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Speaker 1: new because we break news here wearing news room. But

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Speaker 1: I personally wasn't a fan of One Direction, but it

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Speaker 1: was definitely my generation, like my immediate friends grew up

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Speaker 1: with One Direction and they were kind of that band

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Speaker 1: It was like the biggest deal ever. Everyone had their

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Speaker 1: that I feel like, how would I liken that too,

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Speaker 1: like a millennial group band? Would it be like n Sync?

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Speaker 2: I don't even think you can really underestimate the whole

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Speaker 2: just teen girls, but I guess that to an extent,

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Speaker 2: something that people had described that they hadn't seen since

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Speaker 2: the Beatles, and I feel like that is a throwaway

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Speaker 2: comment for some people, but even if you just look

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Speaker 2: people lining the streets, like it's pretty much kind of

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Speaker 2: almost what we saw with Taylor Swifts coming to Sydney,

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Speaker 2: yeah this year, in terms of people lying the streets,

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Speaker 2: to be performing somewhere. Like the love that people had

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Speaker 2: I think also especially for a lot of young teen

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Speaker 2: started back on X Factor in twenty ten, Like they

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Speaker 2: didn't win the show, but when they were all paired together, Harry, Zane, Nile,

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Speaker 1: Together, they were like sixteen to seventy years young.

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Speaker 2: They weren't going to make it through those initial rounds.

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Speaker 2: And Liam had auditioned previously and then come back, and

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Speaker 2: then when he had it made it through, he was

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Speaker 2: teamed up with these other boys, and even though they

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Speaker 1: They made fan fiction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's nothing like that feeling. I think as

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Speaker 2: I think now, even though there were you know, some

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people today are grieving not

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Speaker 1: Their childhood xactly, because I think the general consensus is

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Speaker 1: just like seeing the tragedy of that like wholesome group image,

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And they were one of the biggest boy

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Speaker 2: I mean, they had four very highly successful studio albums,

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Speaker 2: was like a co writer on songs like Midnight Memories,

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Speaker 2: I think that date is forever, you know, a scar

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Speaker 2: They called it a hiatus at the time, and I

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Speaker 2: And so I think too that people were really holding

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not sure if you saw their but there

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Speaker 1: It just felt fun and it felt like that they

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Speaker 1: it feel like what you were saying, that there could

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Speaker 1: But it just feels just so fresh to even think

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Speaker 2: And we should say, at the time of recording, none

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Speaker 2: or tributes to Liam, which I think is fair. I

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Speaker 2: people really start handing some of the people who knew

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Speaker 2: some other celebrities have sort of put up tributes, but

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Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm already seen the comments pop up

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Speaker 1: Time your face again.

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Speaker 2: So after it was announced that One Direction would be

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Speaker 2: It's like if they couldn't be together, they at least

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Speaker 2: but was kind of battling a lot of things on

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Speaker 2: a really huge part of his story was his relationship

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Speaker 1: I kind of forgot about this because she was much

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Speaker 2: Yes, So it's quite a cute love story. So their

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Speaker 2: wasn't until five years later. So then Liam is twenty

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Speaker 2: two and Cheryl is thirty two, and that's when the

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Speaker 2: and Liam had since talked about how he and Cheryl

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Speaker 2: later and Nile, also a member of Run Direction, told

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Speaker 2: Cheryl really fancied.

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Speaker 2: And so they kind of hooked up from there, and

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Speaker 2: and friends are mourning them and you know, talking about

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Speaker 2: the tragedy that has occurred, the other important story here

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Speaker 2: is that there's a young woman at the center of

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Speaker 2: it who is being absolutely attacked at the moment by

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Speaker 2: I guess one direction, fans or people that are blaming

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Speaker 2: her for what's happened. And that's why I think it's

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Speaker 2: important to have this information out there too, because these

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Speaker 2: two stories are gonna really play out side by side

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Speaker 2: and they can both exist in the same time one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. So Maya Henry, who is a model and

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Speaker 2: author and many other things, was engaged to Liam, and

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Speaker 2: you know, they were very much in the public eye.

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Speaker 2: I read carpets, events on each other's socials and their

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Speaker 2: relationship ended in twenty twenty two. And in October, she

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Speaker 2: shared a TikTok where she was talking about some of

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Speaker 2: the issues that she'd had with Liam, making allegations saying

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Speaker 2: that he would call her basically that he was harassing

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Speaker 2: her before. This is like around the same time that

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Speaker 2: her legal team sent him a cease and desist for

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Speaker 2: this behavior. So what she was saying was that Liam

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Speaker 2: would call her from different numbers and she would never know,

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Speaker 2: like anytime she'd be up the phone if it was

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Speaker 2: going to be him. She claimed that he would send

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Speaker 2: her different emails and when she would block him, he

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Speaker 2: would blow up her mum's phone. These are the allegations

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Speaker 2: that she's putting forward. She said that he would message

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Speaker 2: her friends, and she also alleged that Liam Payne weaponized

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Speaker 2: one direction fans against her, saying that he prays on

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Speaker 2: one direction fans because they were always be loyal to him,

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Speaker 2: and they'll essentially like do what he wants her to

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Speaker 2: do so and that's just sort of the start of

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Speaker 2: some of the allegations around this behavior that came with

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Speaker 2: the legal letters that were shared.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to talk about it as well, because

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Speaker 1: on one hand, like he's tragically died in like such

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Speaker 1: an awful way, but on the other hand, like just

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Speaker 1: because someone's died doesn't mean that they were like the

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Speaker 1: best person in the world. Like you have to kind

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Speaker 1: of look at everything that's happening. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: we look at death in this lens where like it's

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Speaker 1: always a good person, and what we retaliate is that

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Speaker 1: everyone who goes against that they deserve to be punished,

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Speaker 1: which is what it feels like everyone's doing. To my

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Speaker 1: it feels like everyone wants to punish her, blaming her

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Speaker 1: for his death, like saying awful, awful things, like it's

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Speaker 1: all over Twitter, like there's so much that there's no

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Speaker 1: way you can like avoid seeing that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And I think too, because there are statements

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Speaker 2: that have come out from anonymous sources today but are

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Speaker 2: linked back to Liam's family and friends that have been

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Speaker 2: reported by places like people who have been saying that

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Speaker 2: since all this legal stuff with Maya blew up in public,

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Speaker 2: and since the cease and desists that he got from

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Speaker 2: her lawyers, that it pushed him into an erratic state

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Speaker 2: and he was very upset and very worried and very

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Speaker 2: overwhelmed as the word they keep using. And I think

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Speaker 2: also that's been linked to allegations that have come from

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Speaker 2: the hotel he was staying at where he ultimately died,

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Speaker 2: saying that people reporting on his behavior saying that he

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Speaker 2: was a radical, he was breaking things and this sort

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Speaker 2: of stuff, and instead of just waiting to have the

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Speaker 2: facts and just taking a step back, what a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are doing are conflating all of these different stories.

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Speaker 2: Some are from like, you know, the police who put

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Speaker 2: out a statement, or like his team, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of them are just from people who say they were there,

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Speaker 2: which are unverified accounts, and a lot of those have

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Speaker 2: been conflated together to form this narrative that Maya because

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Speaker 2: she sent a legal letter in because she spoke publicly

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Speaker 2: about his behavior and basically said like she wasn't asking

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Speaker 2: anyone to go after him. In any of her videos

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Speaker 2: and letters, she was like this is what's happening. I

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Speaker 2: just wish everyone would leave me alone, especially his fans,

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Speaker 2: and stop contacting me. And that's been taken to look

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Speaker 2: like she pushed this like young man and this young

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Speaker 2: father to hurt himself in some way, which is just

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Speaker 2: all allegations. In some point, I feel like, especially in

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Speaker 2: a case like these, people just feel like they need

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Speaker 2: someone to blame and it's all being blamed on her.

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Speaker 2: So what we know about how this situation is playing

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Speaker 2: out is that Maya Henry retained some lawyers and they

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Speaker 2: supplied a statement to Mail Online when asked about it,

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Speaker 2: saying that she had sent the cease and desist to

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Speaker 2: Liam Payne following the emergence of new and concerning information.

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Speaker 2: Now we don't know exactly to the extent of what

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Speaker 2: that new and concerning information is. It looks like it

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Speaker 2: is different to what she was saying in her videos

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Speaker 2: about him constantly contacting her. And only know at this

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Speaker 2: time is that she's retained some attorneys to represent her

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Speaker 2: and that was going to be her only comment at

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Speaker 2: the time, but it was going to be an ongoing issue.

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Speaker 1: And like we said before, like these two things can

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Speaker 1: exist on the same timeline. So if you were a

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Speaker 1: One Direction fan or even a fan of lie In

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Speaker 1: Payne and his music, you're still allowed to be that,

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Speaker 1: and you're still.

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Speaker 2: Allowed to be feeling great today, But.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't give anyone the right to also bully a

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Speaker 1: woman who has allegedly gone through an extremely abusive relationship.

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Speaker 1: And obviously the story is still unfolding, like we've obviously

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Speaker 1: recorded it at a time where no statements from other

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Speaker 1: celebrities or One Direction has come out, but I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there definitely will be.

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