1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Someone's putting on cream and then they're taking it off, 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: and then they put on more cream, and then they 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: take it off, and then they put and I like it. 4 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: I get bored, I get impatient. I can't stand it. 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: Makeup is my therapy. 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 3: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel. 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: Jailty of body. 8 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for 9 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 4: Your Face. I'm Aaron Dougherty, and welcome to the formula. 10 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 4: Every week I sit down with celebs and some of 11 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 4: the biggest names in beauty and take a look into 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 4: their skincare routines. Today, our guest needs no introduction, but 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 4: we'd better rustle something together anyway, because we have the 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 4: absolute pleasure of sitting down with our very own Maya 15 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 4: Friedman on our flagship podcast, Mama Maya Out Loud. Maya 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: and co host Jesse and Holly dive into what women 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 4: are talking about, and as we know, beauty has always 18 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 4: been a cornerstone of that conversation. What you might not know, however, 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 4: is that Maya is a true beauty enthusiast, whether it's 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 4: posting all about her makeup routine on her weekly instabubble 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 4: or chatting about the product she recommends in her substack 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 4: on newsletter. Mia is always on the hunt for the 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: next big thing in skincare and makeup, which is why 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 4: we just had to get her on the show. In 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 4: this episode, will explore MEA's personal skin journey, including how 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 4: her skin has transformed from her thirties to her fifties. 27 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 4: We'll also uncover the valuable lesson she's learned along the way, 28 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 4: the mistake she's made, and the tricks and tips that 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 4: have helped her achieve healthier skin. Plus that Maya doesn't 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 4: hold back on her experiences with cosmetic treatments, sharing exactly 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 4: what she's tried, what she steered clear of, and the 32 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 4: insight she's gained about the beauty industry as a whole. 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: Let's get into it. 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: You are such beautiful skin, but how. 35 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 4: I cannot wait to get into your skincare teene. Find 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 4: out about all the things you put on your face 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 4: because you're a bit of a skincare galley, I sure am. 38 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm a basic bitch though, because I was never into skincare, 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: and like everybody else during COVID, there wasn't a lot 40 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: else to buy because it felt silly buying makeup, and 41 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: so I really felt like by putting certain ingredients on 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: my face, I could somehow control the world, which of 43 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: course I couldn't. But I really taught myself a lot 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: about skincare, and you know, really delve deep. So now 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: that when I walk into a Sephora or a Mecca, 46 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: I turn left towards the skincare rather than right towards 47 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: the makeup. 48 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: You're my kind of game. 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I always looked down on skincare because I'm like, oh, 50 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: skincare so boring. Why wouldn't you like makeup because it's 51 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: more about instant gratification. But no, now I'm all about skincare. 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: So recent skincare girl. 53 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the last few years because also as I've 54 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: gotten older, I'm fifty three, now I'm wearing less makeup 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: and I'm also I've got a lot of makeup. 56 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: That's what I want to ask you about, though. 57 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 4: I mean, you've written or my memea before about your 58 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 4: skin and how your skin has changed over you know, 59 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 4: your experience and your journey with skin care. And I 60 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 4: think in an article that you said your skin is 61 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 4: in the best shape it is now in your fifties 62 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 4: than it was in your thirties. 63 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about that. 64 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: I might have been a little premature writing because it's 65 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: taken a little downturn since then. But I've aggravated my 66 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: skin a beard, and I've got a few issues with roseasia. 67 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: But overall, in terms of like pimples and things like that, 68 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: I would say I've got a more considered skin care 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: routine in my late forties and early fifties than I 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: did for my whole life before that. I didn't understand skincare, 71 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: so I just sort of slapped on whatever. But now, yeah, 72 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: my skin's pretty clear. 73 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: You've got beautiful skin. Tell me a little bit about 74 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 4: what kind of mistakes you've made in the past. Yeah, 75 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: that have kind of paved your way of understanding your 76 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 4: skin a little bit better. 77 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Will You'll be shocked to hear this, But I was 78 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: a bit excessive when it came to discovery. Discovering actives 79 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: then I just thought, okay, and active is good, then 80 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: all the actives must be really good. But in fact, 81 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: like so many other basic pictures, I really messed up 82 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: my skin barrier, particularly during lockdown. The more out of 83 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: control things were, the more serums I put on my face. 84 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: So honestly, that's all of us. 85 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 4: Like I'm a beauty editor, I've been doing this for 86 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 4: so long, yet I'll constantly mess up my skin barrier. 87 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 4: Really just sometimes you get so many things and you 88 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 4: want to try all of the things at once, and 89 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 4: you know, we're in a time where it's so exciting. 90 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 4: There's so many products on TikTok. You see so much 91 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: out there, you want to try it all that of course. 92 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: And of course for me it's as I get older, 93 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: I want to try things that are going to keep 94 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: me looking I don't know, ageless. Is that what you 95 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: meant to say. I know you're not meant to say, 96 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: try to look younger, but that will stop the march 97 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: of time across my face because of course we'll talk 98 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: about that shortly. But you get to that crossroads of 99 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: what interventions will I have, like beyond product, what procedures 100 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: will I have? And suddenly that's all people are talking about. 101 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: And so for me, I'll try new things for a 102 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: long time. When I wrote that article about my Skin's Better, 103 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: I was pretty regimented, but also I was in a routine. 104 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: You try one new product and then you maybe try 105 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: something else and the combination of the two of them. 106 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: And I also think that you can get into that 107 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: vicious cycle where you'll start using a product that does 108 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: something that will maybe strip your skin, and then you 109 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: need something that puts it. You need another product to 110 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: put back what you just stripped out. 111 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 4: And like, I'm making all these problems for myself correct 112 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: and that's capitalism. 113 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: God bless capitalism. 114 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 4: You just touched on cosmetic treatments. I want to ask 115 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 4: you a little bit about this because you have been 116 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 4: pretty transparent about it on MoMA mea out loud and 117 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 4: I always love when you talk about it because I 118 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 4: feel like you know there's so much out there, it's 119 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: very confusing. I want to ask, have you tried any treatments? 120 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 4: If so, what have you tried and what would you 121 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 4: never do? 122 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: So I had a very long and public existential angst 123 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: journey with botox that was so so ridiculous and self indulgent. 124 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: I remember I've been through a few and I've now 125 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: watching people younger and may go through this where before 126 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: you have it for the first time, if you're of 127 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: the age that you haven't had it since you were 128 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: quite young, it can feel like crossing a rubicon and 129 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: being a really big deal. And I made it a 130 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: really big deal for myself and I didn't judge anyone. 131 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: Else that did it. 132 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: But I was like, it's very easy if I'm like, 133 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: I never have botox and I never have injectables. But 134 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: I was always scared that once I crossed that line, 135 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: where would it stop? Because I didn't trust myself. And 136 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: so on my fiftieth birthday, Holy and Jessie, who I 137 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: co host Out Loud with, got me a cake that 138 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: said no bo bitch, because my whole identity became not 139 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: having botox, which is very sad. That was my personality. 140 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: I don't have botox. Hi, nice to meet you. That 141 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: was something that I don't know. And I have daughter 142 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: and all of these things. Then not coincidentally, at the 143 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: end of last year or maybe it was you before 144 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: I've found out that I was going to become a 145 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: grandmother and then I had botox. 146 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: For the first time. I slipped off the way. 147 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: I just went fuck it, and I sort of had 148 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: to creep up on myself and not overthink it and 149 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: just kind of make the appointment and then just go 150 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: and do it. And I wanted to be that person 151 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: that went, oh, I had it once but I didn't 152 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: like it. But I've had it every three months since 153 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: and it's been ou don't know, eighteen months, two years now, 154 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: probably two years. 155 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember you talking about it on the show. 156 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: Obviously it is a big deal, though, if it's something 157 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 4: that you've outwardly been like, no, I'm. 158 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: Going to well, when you hold personalities not having botox, 159 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: it's like. 160 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: I'm living a lie. 161 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: Do have a lie personality? So that's something that I've continued. 162 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: But then it became very important for me to note 163 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: that I only get half. And for me, it was 164 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: the two little el elevens between my brows. Like so 165 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: many women, I didn't necessarily want to look younger. I 166 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: just didn't want to look tired and angry, and I 167 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: looked tired and angry, and so I got it there. 168 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: And then I was like, it seemed important to me 169 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: to hold on to the ego of saying, oh, but 170 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: I only get twelve. There was that great TikTok where 171 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: all the women were like, said their age and then 172 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: said their number, and someone were like, I'm twenty three 173 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: and I've had It's probably not meals, it's probably micro 174 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: whatever's and I had twelve and then I'm like, oh, 175 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: come on, get out of yourself, like it doesn't no 176 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: one's asking you that, no one's asking me. But it 177 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: was something that I had to prove to myself. Well, 178 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm not getting the full of out, like I'm not 179 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: as bad as some people, but it's not even bad anyway. 180 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: So I've stuck with twelve. But of course now I 181 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: feel like i'd like a little bit more. But what 182 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: I would never do is filler. Again, no judgment on 183 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: anyone else, but for me, I haven't seen much good filler, 184 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: and I feel like for me, I've naturally got decent size, 185 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: like pretty big lips, and yes, things start to go down. 186 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: But what I notice is that the cosmetic surgery that 187 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: I notice, or the treatments that I noticed that don't 188 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: look good, it's usually cause of filler. And not to 189 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: say that all piller looks bad, but when it doesn't 190 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: look good, misuse of filler is usually the reason that 191 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't look good. 192 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 4: I think it's very interesting because I think there was 193 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 4: a certain stage where everyone saw everyone getting filler. All 194 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 4: of a sudden, now filler, I don't have filler Have 195 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 4: you thought about it? Can you not see my little 196 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 4: tiny little lips? 197 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: Have you thought about filer? Though? 198 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: I think I have in terms of like certain areas 199 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: of my face that I would like to be better. 200 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: But then I think, not better, that's a bad word. 201 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 4: I know it's hard when you're talking about yourself. It 202 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 4: is for me personally. I think it's similar in that 203 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: there's a line that I don't want to cross. I've 204 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 4: had anti wrinkle injections, but I kind of stopped them 205 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 4: because I was like, this is expensive, and I just 206 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: stopped doing it. Like if there's an event on then 207 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, sure, interesting. But I think there's just 208 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 4: a kind of like a different mind frame now around 209 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 4: fillers in the way that everyone once thought as like 210 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 4: just a rich Eastern suburbs kind of treatment that everyone 211 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 4: used to have, But now it's becoming such. 212 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: A normal and time is used. 213 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: Yes, but I. 214 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: Feel like we've moved away from that now because we've 215 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 4: seen how overdone it can look and how. 216 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it. 217 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: I honestly feel with filler, I've seen more than any 218 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: other treatment, women lose their minds a little bit by 219 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: getting a bit dysmorphic and either they particularly want that overfilled, 220 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: sore look of their lives, saw their cheeks, or they 221 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: can't see how it actually looks, you know, all of 222 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: those things. It's so personal that other things that I've 223 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: reached you. The other thing, I've never got eyelash extensions. 224 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: So there was a time when everyone was getting them right, 225 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: and this is how beauty standards work. I found myself 226 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: looking in the mirror and going, oh, my eyelish isn't 227 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: I'd never bloody thought about my eyelash as being thin before, 228 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: but I realized that was because I'd been seeing it 229 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: on social Everyone suddenly that beauty standard had changed, and 230 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: everyone had these big like awnings, you know what it 231 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: was like that time a few years ago, we moved 232 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: away from that God, So I was just like, I'm 233 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: just not going to do that, firstly because of the 234 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: time commitment, and secondly I couldn't be bothered. Really Yeah, 235 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: but I was very conscious of it's that beauty standard. 236 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 237 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 4: I think that's so interesting. It is, as you said, 238 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: a personal choice. It's obviously a you do you inn 239 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 4: but it is so interesting to see. 240 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: We all torture about it, right, I think so, yeah, 241 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: because we all live in this world that tells us 242 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: we've got to look a certain way. Even if we 243 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: know we shouldn't feel like we do, we still live 244 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: in that world. 245 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what is your self, carrots? 246 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 4: You give us the dirty details. 247 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: I want to get into the details of your skin careats. 248 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: Let's do that. 249 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 4: Tell me a little bit about your morning skin carroutine. 250 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 4: Where you start, what products you use, all of the things. 251 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: So I exercise every morning, so then I have a 252 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: shower and I cleanse. I only do cleansing in the shower. 253 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: There's something I don't like about splashing water on my 254 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: face at the sink. I don't know why. 255 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: It's weird. So I can't stand your arms. It's the 256 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: whole thing. I don't like it. 257 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: So Caroline Hrons is where I learnt everything about skin care. 258 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: I went deep on her for a while and bought 259 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: her book and interviewed her a few times and listened 260 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: to all her advice. And from her I learned why 261 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: cleansing twice is important, but not in the morning. So 262 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: I just cleansed once with something gentle. I've got a 263 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: touch a cleanser, which I love, but it can really 264 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: be anything. I'm not fussy in the morning. But my 265 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: whole thing about cleansing in the shower is that I've 266 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: always got a little face cloth in the shower, and 267 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: I love the feeling of removing my cleanser with that 268 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: face cloth. But in the shower when I'm already under 269 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: the water, but I don't put my face in the 270 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: hot water. 271 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: That was going to be my next question. 272 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 4: I'm careful because as we know, if you stick your 273 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 4: face under now ahead, it can really do a number 274 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 4: on your skin. 275 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: I have showers hotter than I should. All I do 276 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: is I cleanse right, and then after I get out 277 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: of the shower and my skin's still a bit moist, 278 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: I spray. 279 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: With a mist. 280 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: I've got like a little supin one that's just cheap. 281 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: Lee Campbell tells me that I meant to use something 282 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: more active, but stupidly I tried. I got something when 283 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: I was at the airport from Mecca, and I thought 284 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: it was just a hydrating thing, but I think it 285 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: had some. 286 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: Some spiciness in it. 287 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: Because I destroyed my skin for weeks, so I'm a 288 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: bit damaged by that. So now I'm just back to 289 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: my soup and mist. Then I'll put on I used 290 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: to put on a C which was either a lurch 291 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: Pose Sea serum, which I think is a really good 292 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: basic vitamin C, or if I'm feeling bougie, the sea 293 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: for Ulick Skinceuticals, of course, the one that smells like bacon. 294 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: But because my skin's been irritated for the last couple 295 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: of months, I haven't been using c's at all because 296 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: they've been a bit stingy. 297 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: So do you think they kind of cause that? Obviously 298 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: they think. 299 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: It was probably just a few different things. Just again, 300 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: it was a combination. I'd tried a new retinol, I 301 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: was using it every day, and I was probably not 302 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: meant to with that particular one. So then because I'm 303 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: not using that serum, I'll use like a nice cinamid 304 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: serum again whatever. 305 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 4: Great old rounder though nice anamid it can do the 306 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 4: job the brightening of a vitamin C. So I use 307 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: nice cinamide in the morning. Use what one do you like? 308 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of whatever I've got around, Like, 309 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: there's not one that I'm particularly wetted too. 310 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: You know what one I've used and actually finished recently, 311 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 4: which never happens. Just the ordinary nice cinamaid and zinc. 312 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 4: It's a really good time. 313 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: I think it feels like it'll be soothing. 314 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 4: Zinc is good and it's good for breakouts as well. 315 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 4: So I've had breakouts around my chin and that's been 316 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: a good time and it just feels right, yeah, gentle. 317 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: So then I'll use that and then I'll just put 318 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: on I realized that I was skipping the moisturizer step 319 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: and just going on to a moisturizing sunscreen. But what 320 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: I've realized is that I need that moisturizer and then 321 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: the sunscreen. So I'll just at the moment, I'm just 322 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: using the laroche Pose Sisuplast because it's thick and yeah, 323 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: the balm it feels just like a thick moisturizer. I 324 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: might have to rethink that as the weather gets warmer, 325 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: or I'll just use a sunscreen. So if it's the 326 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: weekend and I'm not gooring makeup, I'll just use like 327 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: Airy Day Golden Glow is really good, or the go 328 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: to nifty fifty fluid or the Ultraviolet Supreme screen I 329 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: love the smell of or Mecca does a really good one. 330 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: Just say face that one. 331 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: I think it's yes to say face, Yeah, it's a 332 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: good one, and then I'll just have to, like often 333 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: put my hair dryer on cold. This is probably bad, 334 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: but to just make it all absorb, I. 335 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 4: Think, especially if you're wearing like the sicker plast bomb. 336 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: I was going to ask you, actually, what's your skin type? 337 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: Is it Christian? 338 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: Well, as I didn't because I'm older, I don't know, 339 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: I've forgotten. I mean it used to be oily when 340 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: I was much younger. Then it probably went to I 341 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: don't know, combination. Now it's probably normal to dry just 342 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: because I'm menopausal and so then your skin just doesn't 343 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: have as. 344 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: Much oil in it. 345 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll just use whatever, and then I put 346 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: makeup on over the top. So my skincare routine in 347 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: the morning pretty low rent, low key, no I creams, 348 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: no iicerums, any skin care products I use. I extend 349 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: to around my eyes just because I'm I just do this. 350 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 4: I've got many different limiting pods, and I'm like, I 351 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: don't even want to those pots. I can't be bothered. 352 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: So I totally get that. Tell me a little bit 353 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 4: about your nighttime routine. 354 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: Okay, double cleans in the shower. The first one has 355 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: got to be a balm like cliniques take the day off, 356 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: which I love, love a bomb. Otherwise an oil, but 357 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: I find an oil. I was using the Mecha cleansing oil, 358 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: but I'm finding that it's too thin, and I'll squirt 359 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: it on my hand and it'll like wash the shower in. 360 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 4: The shower and you've squirted it down, it's running everywhere, 361 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: like way, wait, wait exactly. 362 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: So balm's so good because you can really like. 363 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: Exactly, so if you do, if you cleanse in the 364 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: shower like I do, balms are better. And also I 365 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: like using them all around my eyes and then again 366 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: with the face washer, I take it off and then 367 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: I'll use I'm a sucker for the Toucher cleanser just 368 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: gives me a little bit of joy. It's my bougie cleanser. 369 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: But if I've run out of it, I'll just use whatever, 370 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: just nothing foamy. 371 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Touture one's quite milky, right is that that 372 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: like milk? 373 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: It goes to creamy. Yeah, it kind of almost comes 374 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: out a bit gritty, and then you put it on 375 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: and it just I can't even explain it. It's like 376 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: quite orgasmic on your face. Just feels lovely, does it okay? 377 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: And then so too my double cleansing in the shower, 378 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: and then I will usually just put a retinol on. 379 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: And this is where you can get in trouble with retinolds. 380 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: So retinolds, because it's so hard to tell which strength 381 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: they are. I'll use one until I've finished, and then 382 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: my dermatologist said, try to swap to another one, but 383 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: you often don't know what the strength of the other 384 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: one is. And so I'll get up to the point 385 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: where i can use something every night, and then I'll 386 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: forget that I'm meant to try the new one two 387 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: or three times a week anyway. So that's how I 388 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: tend to destroy my skin. But I've just gone back 389 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: to the medicaid retinal. I think I use the number six, and. 390 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: I think it's good. 391 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 4: Like if you find a percentage that works for you 392 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 4: without tearing your skin off really and you use it consistently, 393 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 4: it's better than just doing a real number on yourself. 394 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: I get used to it, and you're meant to sweep. 395 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, you meant to go heavier. 396 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 4: But I think if you really find it hard and 397 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 4: you're really just kind of going back and forth. It's 398 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 4: better off if you just use something really consistently. 399 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: You Know what I bought, which is interesting, which I 400 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: really liked, is the Caroline Hirns has got this label 401 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: called skin Rocks. She's also got a great app called 402 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: skin Rocks. And if you're ever in a chemist and 403 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: you want to know what to get or wherever you 404 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: buy products, you can type in anything and it's got 405 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: this amazing database and that it says who it's good for, 406 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: who it's not good for, not just her products. Anyway, 407 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: I really liked her retinol. It's called skin Rocks, but 408 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: you've got to get it shipped to you. And then 409 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: I just use a heavy moisturizer, either sysuplast. If I'm 410 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: feeling super fancy, I'll use Augustinus like I treat myself 411 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: to one of those the rich cream a couple of 412 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: times a year. 413 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: It's beautiful, so nice, but you never know how much 414 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: is least. 415 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: It's so much packaging and soling cream and so exorbitantly expensive. 416 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: I just want something thick at night over my retinod 417 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: because it's really just to If I don't put on 418 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: moisturize over the top, it'll feel a bit dry, and 419 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: that's it. 420 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: Any at home treatments you like led masks, can't be. 421 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: Bothered, can't be bothered. I can't be bothered. I tint 422 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: my eyebrows. No, I don't like masks. I don't like 423 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: the feeling of masks. I don't like facials. I don't 424 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: do any of that. It's too much fast faffing around somehow, 425 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: head and you've. 426 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 4: Been one of the greatest discoveries of all time or 427 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 4: a miss never again never. I want to move on 428 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: to hips and missus. It's my favorite part of the show. 429 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 4: I want to know what kind of skincare technique or 430 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: ingredient that you love and one that you hate, and 431 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: you can be as controversial as you want. 432 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: Sunscreen is very non controversial, so I'll say that I'm 433 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: absolutely addicted to the wrong word. But like it's like 434 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: brushing my teeth. Now, it wouldn't occur to me to 435 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: leave the house without sunscreen. I always think about, if 436 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: it's light enough to read a book without a lamp, 437 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: you should be wearing sunscreen. In Australia, I was trying 438 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: to explain this to my son, who was like, what, 439 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, But isn't. 440 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 4: It amazing how our attitudes have changed there? Yeah, we're 441 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 4: just like. 442 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 2: That's just as normal as you know, correct rushing your teeth. 443 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: But you know what I do, and I should have 444 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: mentioned this in my PM routine. Every couple of days, 445 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: I put a couple of drops of tanning drops drops. 446 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: I use a couple of drops of tanning drops in 447 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: my moisturizer as the last thing I do, and that 448 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: makes a huge difference. I usually use the tann I 449 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: was gonna say, I thought you liked that one, but 450 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: the illuminating face drops, and then I've got the body 451 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: one to put in my body moisturizer as well, because 452 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: that's the other thing in terms of AM and PM routines. 453 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: I use the brillaw body butter and I put a 454 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: couple of tanlux tan drops in that body butter. 455 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: That's good, I feel like over my body. 456 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: They're so like multipurpose even with like you know, you 457 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 4: can get the face miss as well, but you can 458 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 4: use that on your whole body as well. 459 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: So it's like, oh gosh, I couldn't be bothered to 460 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: miss my whole body. Isn't that what a shower? Okay, 461 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: So sunscreen one hundred percent. In terms of miss what. 462 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: I don't bother with any kind of facial can't stand it. 463 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: You hate relaxing kind of facials. 464 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: Or just I don't like people just touching my face 465 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: unless they're doing something like to me, facials feel just 466 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: like someone's putting on cream and then they're taking it off, 467 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: and then they put on more cream, and then they 468 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: take it off, and then they put and I don't 469 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: like it. I get bored, I get impatient, I can't 470 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: stand it. 471 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: I think the thing with facials as well, if you're 472 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 4: going to get them, you have to get them all 473 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: the time, because one facial every now and then isn't 474 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 4: really They're gonna change your skin. 475 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: And they're expensive. Right, So here's a bit of gossip. 476 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: There were some periods in her life when a cool 477 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: Kimmen was living in Australia because she was making a 478 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: couple of movies. She was making Mala Rouge. And then 479 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: there was another time when she was here making a 480 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: movie and she was living in Sydney for a while. 481 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: She would get facials every day and I know this 482 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: because I was going to the same It was a 483 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: hairdressing salon that also had facials. She loves faate. I 484 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: don't know if she still does, but she loves facials 485 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: so much that she would get them every single day. 486 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: How's that? That's my worst? 487 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: Nice? 488 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 4: Hate hate hate. 489 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: Also, I don't bother with icreams or serums. I think 490 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: that's just nah. Just use whatever serum or whatever around 491 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: my eyes and primer Primer. 492 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: Come on, you're not a fan of Primer? 493 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: Oh, come on, it's just an exodus step. Why do 494 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: I what I. 495 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: Need is canceling Primary? 496 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: Do I need Primal? 497 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: I think, especially if you've got dry skin. So if 498 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 4: I don't wear Prima and I put foundation right over 499 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 4: the top, it's just gonna move around. 500 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: And you've already put your serum on, you've put your 501 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: moisturizer on, you've put sunscreen on, and then. 502 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: You lock your foundation down. 503 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: Will maybe I need to what product should I use? 504 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 4: You can get a really good one from Mecca. Actually 505 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 4: I might sw Yeah, I've got a couple of my I. 506 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: Think I should try. Is it really not just a 507 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: ruse to get us to buy more products? 508 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: I personally don't think so, because I notice the difference 509 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 4: if I just put foundations straight on my skin I 510 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 4: can see that it's like in my pause or like 511 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 4: cling to flakes, just moving around my face. If I 512 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 4: wear Primar, I'll do like a hydrating primer. 513 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: I think this is my missing link. 514 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, maybe this is just what I'm thinking. 515 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: What about Tona? Because this is what Lee tells me 516 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: I've got to get And I bought something that I 517 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: thought was Tona but was just active and my face 518 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: fell off. So what do I need Tona? 519 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: And what's it for? 520 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 4: I mean, everyone's got a different routine. Obviously, Tona has 521 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: had like a really really big moment, and I think 522 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 4: it's because. 523 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: Of k Beauty. 524 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: Lee says she's obsessed with Tony and I've got to 525 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: get it and I always do it. 526 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: I'm just too lazy. But you definitely can. 527 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 4: But I would rather just get a serum that has 528 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 4: whatever act is what I thought. 529 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, owner is that instead of a mist or 530 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: it's a different. 531 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 4: Thing instead of a mist I would say, But I mean, 532 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 4: how many steps do you want to do? 533 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: That's a thing. 534 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: I'm already doing another step with Primer. 535 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: I think you're thoorted you're good. Tell me, I said, no. 536 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: Okay, that you're my excuse for there we have a 537 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. 538 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: This was interesting. 539 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: Now I'm off to use primer. I'm excited though, because 540 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: now there's I feel like there's potential that maybe I 541 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: could be better with more products. 542 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: No, you're good. You hate your facials, but you're good. Yeah. 543 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 4: Well, thanks so much. Mia, I'm so glad we finally 544 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: had you on the show today. 545 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. 546 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to You Beauty today. 547 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 4: And if you have someone you want me to talk 548 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 4: to on the podcast, send us a DM on you 549 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 4: Beauty Instagram. 550 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: There's a link to it in the show notes. 551 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 4: The producer of You Beauty is Cassie Merritt, with audio 552 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 4: production by Lou Hill. 553 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: Bye.