1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:22,094 --> 00:00:22,294 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:22,454 --> 00:00:25,454 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Muma MIA's daily news podcast, 6 00:00:25,574 --> 00:00:28,894 Speaker 1: The Quickie. Pretty Much all of us can pinpoint a 7 00:00:28,974 --> 00:00:32,654 Speaker 1: time in our lives when we've procrastinated over something. Students 8 00:00:32,694 --> 00:00:35,414 Speaker 1: will sometimes do anything rather than finish that essay or 9 00:00:35,414 --> 00:00:38,294 Speaker 1: study for that test. Workers will leave emails sitting in 10 00:00:38,294 --> 00:00:41,054 Speaker 1: their inbox for days or longer, hoping it might magically 11 00:00:41,094 --> 00:00:43,414 Speaker 1: disappear before they need to turn their attention to it. 12 00:00:43,854 --> 00:00:46,014 Speaker 1: But did you know there's a cohort of people who 13 00:00:46,014 --> 00:00:50,454 Speaker 1: suffer from the extreme opposite of procrastination. Before we find 14 00:00:50,494 --> 00:00:53,574 Speaker 1: out who amongst us is a procrastinator, let's get the 15 00:00:53,654 --> 00:00:57,134 Speaker 1: letters from the Quikie newsroom. Wednesday, July twenty four, US 16 00:00:57,254 --> 00:01:00,694 Speaker 1: Vice President Kamala Harris will hold her first campaign rally 17 00:01:00,734 --> 00:01:03,974 Speaker 1: since locking up enough support from the Democratic delegates to 18 00:01:04,054 --> 00:01:06,854 Speaker 1: win her party's nomination to challenge Donald Trump at the 19 00:01:06,894 --> 00:01:09,774 Speaker 1: election in November. Harris will head to mill Walk, Cookey 20 00:01:09,854 --> 00:01:12,934 Speaker 1: for the rally, just days after President Joe Biden pulled 21 00:01:12,974 --> 00:01:16,654 Speaker 1: out of the race. Endorsing his VP, Harris already raising 22 00:01:16,654 --> 00:01:20,054 Speaker 1: more than one hundred million dollars in donations since Sunday afternoon. 23 00:01:20,534 --> 00:01:24,534 Speaker 1: Some of the US's most prominent women from across the political, business, 24 00:01:24,534 --> 00:01:28,614 Speaker 1: and entertainment spectrum joined more than forty thousand other black 25 00:01:28,654 --> 00:01:31,014 Speaker 1: women on a Zoom call this week, raising one and 26 00:01:31,054 --> 00:01:34,854 Speaker 1: a half million dollars in three hours. Reportedly, ninety thousand 27 00:01:34,894 --> 00:01:37,694 Speaker 1: wanted to join the call, which usually has a capacity 28 00:01:37,694 --> 00:01:41,454 Speaker 1: of just one thousand executives at Zoom, having to expand 29 00:01:41,494 --> 00:01:44,894 Speaker 1: that to forty thousand to accommodate them. Harris, who released 30 00:01:44,894 --> 00:01:47,774 Speaker 1: an ad galvanizing her message for this election as she 31 00:01:47,974 --> 00:01:51,134 Speaker 1: the prosecutor against Trump, the felon, told the people at 32 00:01:51,174 --> 00:01:55,214 Speaker 1: her campaign headquarters in Delaware that she knows Donald Trump's type, 33 00:01:55,494 --> 00:01:59,854 Speaker 1: casting herself as the defender of economic opportunity and abortion access. 34 00:02:00,334 --> 00:02:03,054 Speaker 1: The head of the U. S Secret Service has resigned 35 00:02:03,134 --> 00:02:06,414 Speaker 1: after the agency came under harsh criticism for its failure 36 00:02:06,454 --> 00:02:08,814 Speaker 1: to stop a would be assassin from shooting at former 37 00:02:08,854 --> 00:02:12,854 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. Director Kimberly Cheatle says she takes full 38 00:02:12,854 --> 00:02:16,174 Speaker 1: responsibility for the security lapse, which saw a twenty year 39 00:02:16,214 --> 00:02:18,414 Speaker 1: old man able to scale the roof of a building 40 00:02:18,574 --> 00:02:21,374 Speaker 1: just one hundred and forty meters from the former president 41 00:02:21,654 --> 00:02:24,774 Speaker 1: as he gave a campaign speech in Butler, Pennsylvania. A 42 00:02:24,814 --> 00:02:26,814 Speaker 1: man who threw himself in front of his family in 43 00:02:26,854 --> 00:02:29,814 Speaker 1: the crowd was killed while Trump was wounded in the ear. 44 00:02:30,214 --> 00:02:33,494 Speaker 1: Secret Service agents then open fire on the gunman, killing him. 45 00:02:33,734 --> 00:02:36,654 Speaker 1: The Secret Service is now the subject of investigations from 46 00:02:36,774 --> 00:02:40,134 Speaker 1: multiple congressional committees and the internal watchdog of the US 47 00:02:40,174 --> 00:02:44,014 Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Security. The Victorian government is asking for 48 00:02:44,054 --> 00:02:46,894 Speaker 1: as many women as possible to come forward and share 49 00:02:46,894 --> 00:02:50,174 Speaker 1: their stories to the Inquiry into Women's Pain, with just 50 00:02:50,214 --> 00:02:52,974 Speaker 1: a week left to go. The Allen Labour government is 51 00:02:53,014 --> 00:02:56,494 Speaker 1: in the process of establishing twenty new comprehensive women's health 52 00:02:56,494 --> 00:03:00,214 Speaker 1: clinics which will provide free and comprehensive care and support 53 00:03:00,534 --> 00:03:05,814 Speaker 1: for women experiencing painful conditions like endometriosis and polycystic ovarian syndrome, 54 00:03:06,094 --> 00:03:09,894 Speaker 1: and for those managing perimenopause and menopause. Premiere just in 55 00:03:09,974 --> 00:03:13,054 Speaker 1: to Allan, saying women's health deserves to be taken seriously 56 00:03:13,414 --> 00:03:17,214 Speaker 1: and with twelve thousand submissions already, it shows women want 57 00:03:17,254 --> 00:03:19,534 Speaker 1: to talk about these issues and that they're done having 58 00:03:19,534 --> 00:03:23,334 Speaker 1: their health treated like something secret or shameful. Submissions to 59 00:03:23,374 --> 00:03:25,894 Speaker 1: the Pain Inquiry are open until five pm on July 60 00:03:26,014 --> 00:03:28,494 Speaker 1: thirty one. You can find the template to share your 61 00:03:28,534 --> 00:03:32,934 Speaker 1: story by googling Victorian Women's Pain Inquiry. Shannon Doherty's former 62 00:03:33,014 --> 00:03:35,774 Speaker 1: Charmed co star, has revealed that she was convinced she 63 00:03:35,774 --> 00:03:39,214 Speaker 1: would live longer, even in her final hours. Holly Marie 64 00:03:39,254 --> 00:03:42,094 Speaker 1: Comb spoke on her podcast The House of Halliwell, the 65 00:03:42,174 --> 00:03:44,974 Speaker 1: first time an episode has been released since Doherty's death, 66 00:03:45,334 --> 00:03:47,574 Speaker 1: saying the last time they were together, they watched the 67 00:03:47,614 --> 00:03:51,094 Speaker 1: first two episodes of Charmed like they were teenagers. Coombs 68 00:03:51,094 --> 00:03:53,214 Speaker 1: saying Dougherty did as much as she could in the 69 00:03:53,214 --> 00:03:56,174 Speaker 1: time she had, but they both thought she had more time. 70 00:03:56,574 --> 00:03:58,774 Speaker 1: She says they had big plans for this year and 71 00:03:58,814 --> 00:04:02,614 Speaker 1: Dougherty didn't think she was going anywhere anytime soon. Comb's 72 00:04:02,614 --> 00:04:04,814 Speaker 1: penned a moving tribute to her friend of thirty one 73 00:04:04,894 --> 00:04:07,774 Speaker 1: years after she passed early this month, saying she felt 74 00:04:07,814 --> 00:04:10,094 Speaker 1: like a part of her was missing, but the Doherty's 75 00:04:10,174 --> 00:04:12,894 Speaker 1: undying spirit will live on in both her and her kids, 76 00:04:13,294 --> 00:04:15,454 Speaker 1: saying they will be truthful and will stand up for 77 00:04:15,534 --> 00:04:17,894 Speaker 1: what is right. That's the latest news headlines? 78 00:04:17,974 --> 00:04:18,454 Speaker 3: Up next? 79 00:04:18,534 --> 00:04:21,734 Speaker 1: What is a procrastinator? Could you be one? And why 80 00:04:21,734 --> 00:04:24,574 Speaker 1: does it make the Australian Tax officers job that little 81 00:04:24,614 --> 00:04:39,654 Speaker 1: bit harder? We're all pretty familiar with the term procrastination, right, 82 00:04:39,814 --> 00:04:44,334 Speaker 1: I want to do this tomorrow, but just do tomorrow? Yes, 83 00:04:44,374 --> 00:04:46,654 Speaker 1: the people who put things off for as long as possible, 84 00:04:46,774 --> 00:04:50,014 Speaker 1: coming up with many varied and sometimes quite creative ways 85 00:04:50,014 --> 00:04:53,694 Speaker 1: to avoid doing the thing they absolutely must do, sometimes 86 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:56,014 Speaker 1: with a pressing deadline not too far on the horizon. 87 00:04:56,854 --> 00:05:00,494 Speaker 1: But what about the procrastinators out there? The what now? 88 00:05:00,574 --> 00:05:05,974 Speaker 1: You ask? Precrastination is a not as well known opposite 89 00:05:06,014 --> 00:05:09,494 Speaker 1: of procrastination, where those who suffer from it will do 90 00:05:09,534 --> 00:05:11,854 Speaker 1: I would task as soon as it's handed to them, 91 00:05:12,134 --> 00:05:14,654 Speaker 1: often well before it needs to be done, which to 92 00:05:14,694 --> 00:05:17,814 Speaker 1: a procrastinator sounds like a dream come true. How do 93 00:05:17,854 --> 00:05:20,014 Speaker 1: you switch teams and get all your stuff done within 94 00:05:20,094 --> 00:05:22,014 Speaker 1: and sometimes before the allotted time. 95 00:05:22,374 --> 00:05:27,334 Speaker 4: I'm definitely a precrastinator, but I'm also really forgetful, so 96 00:05:27,414 --> 00:05:29,974 Speaker 4: I often just forget to do something, so I'll do 97 00:05:30,094 --> 00:05:32,334 Speaker 4: it early because I know I'll forget to do it 98 00:05:32,374 --> 00:05:34,214 Speaker 4: if I don't do it early. And I also want 99 00:05:34,214 --> 00:05:35,574 Speaker 4: to avoid the anxiety. 100 00:05:35,734 --> 00:05:39,374 Speaker 2: As soon as something pops up, like a little task 101 00:05:39,694 --> 00:05:42,174 Speaker 2: or whatever it may be, I am doing it as 102 00:05:42,214 --> 00:05:44,454 Speaker 2: soon as possible, just so like it's done and out 103 00:05:44,454 --> 00:05:46,094 Speaker 2: of my brain and I never have to think about 104 00:05:46,134 --> 00:05:46,574 Speaker 2: it again. 105 00:05:46,894 --> 00:05:50,414 Speaker 4: I hate when things just occupy my mind like that. 106 00:05:50,694 --> 00:05:53,054 Speaker 3: I find it really exhausting, so I just want to 107 00:05:53,054 --> 00:05:53,494 Speaker 3: get it done. 108 00:05:53,534 --> 00:05:56,934 Speaker 2: Definitely a procrastinator someone who does things really early. 109 00:05:57,614 --> 00:06:01,094 Speaker 1: But it's not always roses for the procrastinator. 110 00:06:00,534 --> 00:06:02,334 Speaker 2: Like doing tax return asap. 111 00:06:03,934 --> 00:06:06,934 Speaker 1: For example, we are now just three weeks deep into 112 00:06:06,974 --> 00:06:09,854 Speaker 1: the new financial year. How many of you have already 113 00:06:09,894 --> 00:06:13,734 Speaker 1: done your tax return? On July nine, the ATO, who 114 00:06:13,734 --> 00:06:16,294 Speaker 1: warned people every year not to rush to file their 115 00:06:16,294 --> 00:06:20,454 Speaker 1: tax returns, posted an update online saying that already just 116 00:06:20,534 --> 00:06:23,454 Speaker 1: over a week into July, eight hundred and thirty thousand 117 00:06:23,454 --> 00:06:26,454 Speaker 1: nozzies had filed their returns for financial year twenty twenty 118 00:06:26,454 --> 00:06:30,614 Speaker 1: three twenty four. The Tax Office Assistant Commissioner Tim Low 119 00:06:30,814 --> 00:06:33,854 Speaker 1: says every year they have to adjust more than two 120 00:06:34,014 --> 00:06:37,494 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand returns for simple errors that could 121 00:06:37,494 --> 00:06:40,214 Speaker 1: have been avoided if people hadn't been in such a 122 00:06:40,294 --> 00:06:43,414 Speaker 1: rush to file, like getting a bank details correct or 123 00:06:43,454 --> 00:06:45,814 Speaker 1: waiting to make sure all the income statements from all 124 00:06:45,854 --> 00:06:49,134 Speaker 1: your various jobs have come in, all the bankers calculated 125 00:06:49,174 --> 00:06:51,654 Speaker 1: the interest you earned for the period, or your health 126 00:06:51,654 --> 00:06:55,334 Speaker 1: fund sends through their data. For the procrastinator, having their 127 00:06:55,414 --> 00:06:59,454 Speaker 1: tax return not yet complete, just squatting there on their 128 00:06:59,454 --> 00:07:02,334 Speaker 1: to do list once July one turns over is too 129 00:07:02,374 --> 00:07:05,414 Speaker 1: much to handle. They need to tick it off and 130 00:07:05,614 --> 00:07:08,854 Speaker 1: have it be done. To experience the relief of having 131 00:07:08,854 --> 00:07:09,694 Speaker 1: it all be over. 132 00:07:09,694 --> 00:07:16,934 Speaker 3: I'm free. 133 00:07:16,974 --> 00:07:20,094 Speaker 1: You'll also see procrastinators pretty much every time you catch 134 00:07:20,134 --> 00:07:22,654 Speaker 1: a flight. They're the ones standing at the gate almost 135 00:07:22,774 --> 00:07:25,294 Speaker 1: blocking those getting off the plane so that they can 136 00:07:25,334 --> 00:07:28,094 Speaker 1: be ready to board once their time comes, no matter 137 00:07:28,094 --> 00:07:31,414 Speaker 1: how far off that might be. They probably arrived at 138 00:07:31,414 --> 00:07:33,254 Speaker 1: the airport way early than they needed to. 139 00:07:33,254 --> 00:07:33,494 Speaker 3: Too. 140 00:07:34,014 --> 00:07:38,934 Speaker 1: Last minute is their enemy. Procrastinators will reply to an 141 00:07:38,934 --> 00:07:42,214 Speaker 1: email before completing the research to ensure they're responding with 142 00:07:42,254 --> 00:07:44,974 Speaker 1: the right answers, wanting to get the reply off the 143 00:07:45,054 --> 00:07:47,814 Speaker 1: list and out of their inbox rather than making sure 144 00:07:47,854 --> 00:07:50,774 Speaker 1: the content of the reply is correct and fully realized. 145 00:07:51,574 --> 00:07:56,454 Speaker 1: The procrastinator will even expend extra unnecessary energy on a 146 00:07:56,534 --> 00:07:59,334 Speaker 1: task just to clear it from the mental to do list. 147 00:07:59,574 --> 00:08:03,094 Speaker 1: A phenomenon found out by accident. In a twenty fourteen study, 148 00:08:03,694 --> 00:08:07,574 Speaker 1: the researchers were doing an experiment on reaching and walking 149 00:08:07,734 --> 00:08:10,294 Speaker 1: when they noticed some people were grabbing the bucket load 150 00:08:10,334 --> 00:08:13,094 Speaker 1: of pennies closest to them rather than the one at 151 00:08:13,134 --> 00:08:15,574 Speaker 1: the end of the alley first, even though it meant 152 00:08:15,614 --> 00:08:18,334 Speaker 1: they had to carry the first bucket for a longer distance. 153 00:08:18,854 --> 00:08:22,614 Speaker 1: When they're asked why, the procrastinator said they just wanted 154 00:08:22,614 --> 00:08:25,494 Speaker 1: to get it done and grabbing bucket one meant it 155 00:08:25,574 --> 00:08:29,014 Speaker 1: was one less thing they had to consider. A procrastinator 156 00:08:29,134 --> 00:08:32,614 Speaker 1: will literally carry a heavy bucket twice the distance if 157 00:08:32,614 --> 00:08:34,454 Speaker 1: it means they don't have to deal with it later. 158 00:08:36,774 --> 00:08:41,054 Speaker 1: Carli Dober is the director of the Australian Association of Psychologists. Carli, 159 00:08:41,294 --> 00:08:45,574 Speaker 1: we know that procrastination exists. Procrastination might be a new 160 00:08:45,614 --> 00:08:48,094 Speaker 1: one for people, but was it from a similar place 161 00:08:48,614 --> 00:08:49,654 Speaker 1: to procrastination. 162 00:08:49,734 --> 00:08:53,134 Speaker 3: Emotionally, it is, and I would think of them as 163 00:08:53,254 --> 00:08:56,574 Speaker 3: being on extreme on opposite ends of the same spectrum, 164 00:08:57,014 --> 00:08:59,894 Speaker 3: and procrastination is just wanting to get things out of 165 00:08:59,894 --> 00:09:01,614 Speaker 3: the way to lighten your mental load. 166 00:09:02,454 --> 00:09:06,694 Speaker 1: Now. I know that some researchers have kind of compared 167 00:09:06,694 --> 00:09:09,694 Speaker 1: it to neuroticism. Would you say that it is in 168 00:09:09,734 --> 00:09:12,174 Speaker 1: the same neighborhood or does it have to be extreme 169 00:09:12,254 --> 00:09:15,894 Speaker 1: extreme before we look at neuroticism as being procrastination. 170 00:09:16,574 --> 00:09:20,054 Speaker 3: We do find that people who score high across the 171 00:09:20,054 --> 00:09:22,854 Speaker 3: Big five personality trades and one of them being neuroticism, 172 00:09:23,014 --> 00:09:26,934 Speaker 3: do tend to procrastinate more. But it can also be 173 00:09:26,934 --> 00:09:30,574 Speaker 3: because people feel overwhelmed and really anxious about how much 174 00:09:30,614 --> 00:09:33,654 Speaker 3: they have going on. So it's not always linked every 175 00:09:33,654 --> 00:09:36,214 Speaker 3: time to neuroticism, but it is highly correlated. 176 00:09:36,854 --> 00:09:40,134 Speaker 1: Is there a danger in procrastination because it feels like 177 00:09:40,214 --> 00:09:44,374 Speaker 1: something we should celebrate as opposed to procrastination where we're like, oh, god, 178 00:09:44,374 --> 00:09:46,814 Speaker 1: you guys kind of just get your shit together. This 179 00:09:46,934 --> 00:09:49,054 Speaker 1: feels like, oh, these people are on it, they know 180 00:09:49,134 --> 00:09:51,014 Speaker 1: exactly what needs to be done, and they get it done. 181 00:09:51,054 --> 00:09:52,894 Speaker 1: Is there a danger in us celebrating it? 182 00:09:53,414 --> 00:09:56,854 Speaker 3: I think what can drive the need or the want 183 00:09:56,934 --> 00:09:59,534 Speaker 3: to procrastinate can be really different for everyone, And what 184 00:09:59,574 --> 00:10:02,734 Speaker 3: we do find is that people who tend to procrastinate 185 00:10:03,254 --> 00:10:06,894 Speaker 3: can often make mistakes or errors that maybe they wouldn't 186 00:10:06,934 --> 00:10:08,814 Speaker 3: have if they had waited a bit and done it 187 00:10:08,814 --> 00:10:11,134 Speaker 3: when they were more clear headed or have more time 188 00:10:11,174 --> 00:10:14,014 Speaker 3: to actually pay attention to the task as opposed to 189 00:10:14,134 --> 00:10:16,174 Speaker 3: just punching it out to getting it out of the way. 190 00:10:16,574 --> 00:10:20,414 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing too, is the procrastinators are 191 00:10:20,454 --> 00:10:24,054 Speaker 1: avoiding the anxiety of the last minute, right, But it 192 00:10:24,094 --> 00:10:27,934 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're actually maybe completing the task to a 193 00:10:28,014 --> 00:10:30,734 Speaker 1: high level. They're just completing the task. 194 00:10:30,574 --> 00:10:33,654 Speaker 3: That's right, And they still can feel some anxiety if 195 00:10:33,774 --> 00:10:37,254 Speaker 3: they are trying like mad to get these tasks or 196 00:10:37,374 --> 00:10:38,054 Speaker 3: chores done. 197 00:10:38,334 --> 00:10:41,854 Speaker 1: So sorry, they're feeling anxiety trying to avoid feeling anxiety. 198 00:10:42,134 --> 00:10:45,974 Speaker 3: Sometimes, Yeah, the drive to avoid anxiety can sometimes make 199 00:10:46,294 --> 00:10:48,414 Speaker 3: you feel anxious because you're trying to get so much 200 00:10:48,454 --> 00:10:49,254 Speaker 3: done so quickly. 201 00:10:49,894 --> 00:10:53,774 Speaker 1: Are you actually essentially wasting more time procrastinating because you 202 00:10:53,854 --> 00:10:56,414 Speaker 1: may have to redo that task later. 203 00:10:56,254 --> 00:11:00,334 Speaker 3: On sometimes, And this can be really frustrating for people 204 00:11:00,374 --> 00:11:03,334 Speaker 3: because in their drive to lessen their mental load, they 205 00:11:03,334 --> 00:11:06,014 Speaker 3: can actually add a bit more to it by having 206 00:11:06,094 --> 00:11:08,654 Speaker 3: to double up the amount of energy and time that 207 00:11:08,694 --> 00:11:11,774 Speaker 3: they spend on something things. So it can be really difficult. 208 00:11:12,094 --> 00:11:17,534 Speaker 1: Okay, so how do we shift the reward from ticking 209 00:11:17,574 --> 00:11:20,694 Speaker 1: off that task from our to do list to completing 210 00:11:20,734 --> 00:11:23,414 Speaker 1: the task? Well, how do we make that jump. 211 00:11:24,134 --> 00:11:27,534 Speaker 3: I think evaluating your current workload each week can be 212 00:11:27,614 --> 00:11:30,294 Speaker 3: really helpful because we're always going to get emails and 213 00:11:30,494 --> 00:11:32,694 Speaker 3: little things that just need to be done in life, 214 00:11:33,214 --> 00:11:35,014 Speaker 3: and it does feel good to tick them off, that's 215 00:11:35,054 --> 00:11:37,374 Speaker 3: for sure, and to not have things hanging over you. 216 00:11:37,814 --> 00:11:40,174 Speaker 3: But think about when you last did a task well, 217 00:11:40,574 --> 00:11:43,614 Speaker 3: and think about maybe how much time you spend redoing 218 00:11:43,694 --> 00:11:47,334 Speaker 3: things that you just get done very quickly, and that 219 00:11:47,414 --> 00:11:49,494 Speaker 3: will maybe let you know that when you get an 220 00:11:49,534 --> 00:11:52,614 Speaker 3: email or when something comes across your desk or at home, 221 00:11:52,894 --> 00:11:54,854 Speaker 3: you can give a bit of a pause, you can 222 00:11:54,894 --> 00:11:56,854 Speaker 3: go make a cup of tea or coffee, you can 223 00:11:56,934 --> 00:11:59,254 Speaker 3: go for a walk and think about it, and you 224 00:11:59,254 --> 00:12:02,254 Speaker 3: can still get it done that day instead of right then, 225 00:12:02,734 --> 00:12:04,734 Speaker 3: and you might get it done better, which will in 226 00:12:04,774 --> 00:12:07,094 Speaker 3: turn lighten your mental load the most effectively. 227 00:12:08,134 --> 00:12:11,014 Speaker 1: Now, Karlie, before we started this conversation, I mentioned that 228 00:12:11,414 --> 00:12:14,374 Speaker 1: we were looking at people who file their tax returns 229 00:12:14,494 --> 00:12:17,894 Speaker 1: very early and often end up having to go back 230 00:12:17,894 --> 00:12:20,374 Speaker 1: and have them adjusted because they've missed some information. And 231 00:12:20,694 --> 00:12:23,054 Speaker 1: you've admitted that you are one of the eight hundred 232 00:12:23,054 --> 00:12:25,054 Speaker 1: and thirty thousand people who did it in the first 233 00:12:25,134 --> 00:12:28,094 Speaker 1: week of July are you, Carly Dober a procrastinator? 234 00:12:28,574 --> 00:12:30,974 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so sad. I am not that it's. 235 00:12:30,814 --> 00:12:33,054 Speaker 1: Something we should be laughing at. Let's be honest, But 236 00:12:33,254 --> 00:12:36,014 Speaker 1: have you found that just ticking that off the list? 237 00:12:36,134 --> 00:12:36,334 Speaker 2: Was that? 238 00:12:36,374 --> 00:12:37,094 Speaker 1: What did it for you? 239 00:12:37,534 --> 00:12:40,214 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I just know it's a task that 240 00:12:40,254 --> 00:12:42,094 Speaker 3: I have to do and it takes a bit of time. 241 00:12:42,134 --> 00:12:43,894 Speaker 3: So if I can get it done quickly, I don't 242 00:12:43,934 --> 00:12:46,534 Speaker 3: have to think about it anymore. So again, I'm trying 243 00:12:46,534 --> 00:12:50,054 Speaker 3: to light my mental load. And sometimes that's helpful and 244 00:12:50,094 --> 00:12:50,814 Speaker 3: sometimes it's not. 245 00:12:51,654 --> 00:12:55,174 Speaker 1: How do we get to the middle between procrastination and 246 00:12:55,214 --> 00:12:58,134 Speaker 1: procrastination because it seems like those two extremes are not 247 00:12:58,174 --> 00:13:01,014 Speaker 1: helpful for anybody. Are there things that we can do 248 00:13:01,654 --> 00:13:03,894 Speaker 1: to bring ourselves back to the middle where we're not 249 00:13:04,174 --> 00:13:07,174 Speaker 1: anxious about getting something done but also not anxious about 250 00:13:07,254 --> 00:13:08,574 Speaker 1: not getting something done. 251 00:13:08,934 --> 00:13:11,654 Speaker 3: I think embracing a bit of a pause can be 252 00:13:11,694 --> 00:13:15,214 Speaker 3: really helpful. You know, our days can be so dynamic. 253 00:13:15,254 --> 00:13:19,694 Speaker 3: We have so many communication touch points at all times, emails, texts, 254 00:13:19,734 --> 00:13:23,294 Speaker 3: phone calls, other things that come up, and most of 255 00:13:23,374 --> 00:13:27,854 Speaker 3: us can stop and just wait to five ten minutes, 256 00:13:28,614 --> 00:13:31,574 Speaker 3: take a few deep breaths because part of that anxiety 257 00:13:31,654 --> 00:13:35,054 Speaker 3: response is feeling frazzled or overwhelmed. So if we pause 258 00:13:35,094 --> 00:13:37,734 Speaker 3: and just think about how we might want to approach 259 00:13:37,774 --> 00:13:40,734 Speaker 3: the task, or sure, we might actually say I'll do 260 00:13:40,774 --> 00:13:42,934 Speaker 3: it at five o'clock today, or that can actually wait 261 00:13:43,014 --> 00:13:46,094 Speaker 3: until tomorrow. You're still getting it done, and you're still 262 00:13:46,094 --> 00:13:49,134 Speaker 3: getting it done relatively quickly, but just not right then 263 00:13:49,174 --> 00:13:50,814 Speaker 3: and there, and you can give it the proper time 264 00:13:50,854 --> 00:13:53,334 Speaker 3: and attention that it needs. And the more time you 265 00:13:53,414 --> 00:13:56,494 Speaker 3: practice that pause, the easier that will become and perhaps 266 00:13:56,574 --> 00:13:57,494 Speaker 3: even more automatic. 267 00:13:58,054 --> 00:14:00,534 Speaker 1: Can we maybe look at a different style of to 268 00:14:00,654 --> 00:14:03,254 Speaker 1: do list management, too, Carli? I know that we list 269 00:14:03,294 --> 00:14:05,694 Speaker 1: things off in a matter of urgency and then we 270 00:14:05,774 --> 00:14:07,894 Speaker 1: go through and bang, bang bang take them off. But 271 00:14:08,054 --> 00:14:10,014 Speaker 1: is there maybe a better way to manage that in 272 00:14:10,294 --> 00:14:14,454 Speaker 1: tasks that absolutely must be done straight away and tasks 273 00:14:14,454 --> 00:14:16,614 Speaker 1: that we can put in that pause basket that we 274 00:14:16,774 --> 00:14:18,414 Speaker 1: need to stop and think about for a minute. 275 00:14:18,734 --> 00:14:21,814 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think it's really important to try and 276 00:14:21,934 --> 00:14:27,054 Speaker 3: understand what feels urgent versus what is actually urgent, and 277 00:14:27,094 --> 00:14:30,774 Speaker 3: what is important versus what actually feels important right now. 278 00:14:31,174 --> 00:14:34,374 Speaker 3: And if you kind of think about those four quadrants 279 00:14:34,734 --> 00:14:37,694 Speaker 3: and draw it up, that might help you handle your 280 00:14:37,734 --> 00:14:40,774 Speaker 3: time and your day more effectively, which will in turn 281 00:14:41,374 --> 00:14:43,814 Speaker 3: light in the mental load, which is what procrastination is 282 00:14:43,854 --> 00:14:44,614 Speaker 3: really all about. 283 00:14:44,894 --> 00:14:46,814 Speaker 1: Well, Cally, thank you so much for giving us some 284 00:14:46,854 --> 00:14:49,214 Speaker 1: insights on this today. May your tax return come back 285 00:14:49,254 --> 00:14:54,014 Speaker 1: with a refund and no adjusts required. Thank you very much, 286 00:14:57,454 --> 00:14:59,814 Speaker 1: Thanks for spending some time fitting your mind with us today. 287 00:14:59,894 --> 00:15:02,814 Speaker 1: Remember if your mental health is suffering, if any kind 288 00:15:02,814 --> 00:15:06,134 Speaker 1: of crastination, whether it's pre or pro is interrupting your 289 00:15:06,134 --> 00:15:08,574 Speaker 1: life to the point where it's taking over, reach out 290 00:15:08,614 --> 00:15:11,374 Speaker 1: to your GP and get yourself some help. And if 291 00:15:11,374 --> 00:15:13,654 Speaker 1: it's more of an emergency, the team at Lifeline is 292 00:15:13,694 --> 00:15:16,654 Speaker 1: standing by right now. You can call them anytime. Thirteen 293 00:15:16,774 --> 00:15:21,214 Speaker 1: eleven fourteen. The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy 294 00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:24,374 Speaker 1: and our senior producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by 295 00:15:24,414 --> 00:15:24,934 Speaker 1: Tom Lyon.