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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie, from cryptocurrency controversies to dramatic policy

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Speaker 2: shifts on Ukraine. Donald Trump's latest moves are raising eyebrows

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Speaker 2: across the globe. Before we dive in, here is Clare

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Speaker 2: Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom for Wednesday

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Speaker 2: May twenty eight, Thanks Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Shawn Didy, Combs's former assistant, has given evidence at the

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Speaker 1: tenth day of the trial, claiming when Combs found out

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Speaker 1: who she used to work for, he threatened to kill her.

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Speaker 1: Capricorn Clark, who worked for Combs from twenty four to

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Speaker 1: team took her to Central Park on her first day

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Speaker 1: Due to her previous employment with Combs's longtime rival, Sugar Night.

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Speaker 1: Clark says she took this as a serious threat due

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Speaker 1: way a joke Night, who's the former CEO of Death

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Speaker 1: in California over a hit and run incident that killed

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Speaker 1: a man in twenty fifteen. Clark has also described how

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Speaker 1: Combs allegedly turned up at her hotel room in December

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Speaker 1: tell him that he's then on again, off again girlfriend

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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura was now seeing singer Kid Cuddy. She claims

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Speaker 1: he told her to get dressed because they were going

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Speaker 1: that it was Clark who tipped him off that Comebs

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Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty to five charges, including racketeering and sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: The trial continues. The court has been shown a police

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Speaker 1: interview with alleged mushroom killer Aaron Patterson, where she told

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Speaker 1: her in laws Don and Gale Patterson, and Gale's sister Heather,

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Speaker 1: Ian survived. The ordeal. The jury was played part of

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Speaker 1: Patterson's interview, given a week after the fatal lunch on

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Speaker 1: Patterson agreed to the search and then ask who died

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Speaker 1: Throughout the police interview, Pattison remains calm as she tells

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Speaker 1: investigators she had already given quality information to the health department,

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Speaker 1: it was because she had no other family and wanted

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Speaker 1: A man who drove his car into a crowd of

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Speaker 1: Deborah Furness has officially filed for divorce from Hugh Jackman.

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Speaker 1: The couple announced their amicable split in September twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: Jackman has now moved on with his former stage co

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Speaker 1: star Sutton Foster, while Ferness has been throwing herself into

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Speaker 1: sixteen in Force of Nature The Dry III, the sixty

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire, next your Trump date. If you're anything like me,

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Speaker 2: you might have been preoccupied the last few weeks with

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Speaker 2: the finer details of what the President of the United

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Speaker 2: newsroom goblin, I started searching what's been on Donald Trump's agenda,

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Speaker 2: and no surprises. It was eye opening. Buckle up, It's

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Speaker 2: time for another Trump date. And before we bring in

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Speaker 2: our US correspondent Amelia Lester, he has a little highlight

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Speaker 2: reel of the past few weeks. First, Trump has pushed

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Speaker 2: his new meme coin, Trump with a dollar sign at

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Speaker 2: the start. If you will, and if you're wondering how

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Speaker 2: much a personal invite to a dinner with the president costs,

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Speaker 2: which of course was challenged by the South African President

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Speaker 2: Cyril Ramposa when he sat with Trump at a White

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Speaker 2: House reception last week. Also, just quickly on this, Trump

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Speaker 2: used photos to drive home his point about white South

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Speaker 2: something that I never thought i'd say, when we talk

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Speaker 3: Yes. So the Biden administration had really been trying to

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Speaker 3: Because there was this dinner for the top holders of

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Speaker 3: Because of course, normally political fundraisers you're meant to record

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Speaker 3: And so, for instance, you had a bunch of crypto

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Speaker 3: There was an Australian on the list, which I guess

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Speaker 2: Well, the foreign influence also extends to this other crypto

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Speaker 2: Surely that sends off read alert warning signs that the

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Speaker 3: No, I think what I'm hearing from you, which I

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Speaker 3: he particularly went to those Golf States. And then, as

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Speaker 2: Speaking of norms, something that's gone completely out the window

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Speaker 2: with you, Amelia, because again I'm in a little bit

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Speaker 2: of disbelief. So in February this year, he initiated Mission

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Speaker 3: may have heard that Trump has been rescinding refugee protections

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Speaker 2: The Democratic Republic of Congo, which is in a completely

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Speaker 3: Yes, And just looking at the faces of these South

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Speaker 2: It's becoming a little bit of a trend for Trump now, though,

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting in the South African case, because the

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Speaker 3: So he arrived and he complimented Trump's golf game. He

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Speaker 3: And he even brought along a golfer who Trump knows

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of murder and crime which happens in

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Speaker 3: But Trump wasn't even prepared to listen to his golfing

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Speaker 2: While we're on the topic of international relations, the reception

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Speaker 2: He's called him absolutely crazy, which feels juvenile. That also,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to unpack here with Russia and Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: and the last week has been very tumultuous. Can we

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Speaker 3: step back a minute before the late truth social reference

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Speaker 2: I feel like you're not allowed to be sarcastic when

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Speaker 3: No, and so after that two hour phone call. The

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Speaker 3: easier said than done. The latest is that after that happened,

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Speaker 3: and after that shift, Russia has intensified its attacks on

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Speaker 2: Just finally, Amelia, let's talk about Harvard university, because that

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Speaker 3: This is a huge deal because Harvard is an older

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Speaker 3: more broadly, Trump is decimating the higher education sector in

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