WEBVTT - When A Crappy Husband Makes A Great TV Show 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:05.960 Out louders, This is Mamma Mia out loud what women 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.840 are actually talking about. And we are also the number 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.640 one show in Australia for the third month in a row. 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:13.760 Brad goes wild. 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:15.320 We have become insufferable. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.280 Yeah, we're just walking around telling everyone this fact. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.720 They call us Australia's answer to show Brogan, the Australia's 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.840 answered to call her daddy. Oh they do, they really do. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.639 I don't know they deal in common with Alex Hooper anyway. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.600 What happened is is that as regular outluders will know 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.040 once a month that a chart gets released that show 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.559 is the most listened to shows, not necessarily the most downloads, 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.600 it's the most number of listeners, right. And we made 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.280 a joke when we were when we made it to 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.479 number one for the first time in January that it 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.320 was only because Hamish Nandy had gone on holiday. There 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:53.480 are nemesis, nemesi memesi. I don't know if that's a word, nemeside. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.639 But now it's been three months running and they are 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.480 back and they are firing and we are still number one, 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.080 and it's only because of you out Loud as we 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:05.039 know that, thank you, we are so proud. I'm Holly 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.760 Wayne Wright, I'm Emelia Last and I'm Chlestians. And here's 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:14.960 what's made our agenda for today, the redemption of David Harper. Yes, 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.920 the man who Lily Allen outed as a butt plug 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.199 enthusiast is now one of the most loved characters on television. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:23.480 We unpack. 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.319 Plus we're unpacking why it can feel weird when your 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.320 coworker compliments your outfit. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:36.559 And Reese Witherspoon is encouraging people to use AI, specifically women. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.640 She thinks we're behind Why is everyone so mad at 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:41.200 her advice? 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.560 But first, in case you missed it, I'm bringing you 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.200 some scurrilous gossip that you may well have missed because 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.680 none of this is important, not even a little bit important, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.240 but we've been yapping about it in the kitchen today, 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.960 so we thought we'd extend the app to the show 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.080 Little Rundown of Gossip. First up, unless you have successfully 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.400 locked your phone in a safe, which obviously we would 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.840 buys certain periods of the day, you would know that 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.040 the devil was prior of two is out next week. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:10.920 Even if you had locked your phone in a safe. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:15.200 I was driving yesterday and looked beside me on a 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.680 bus huge, but I was like, that is the biggest 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.520 billboard for a movie I've seen years. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.520 I got my tickets ready to go. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.639 I can't wait. Are you going next week? Or she'll 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:29.040 be able to give us the first rundown. Anyway, everybody 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.880 wanted to be in this reboot because reboots are hot. 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:36.000 We love existing Ip and Hathaway, Meryl Streep, Stanley Tucci 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.640 was not to like Gaga makes a cameo in it, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.280 Naomi Campbell makes a cameo in it, Natella the Such 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.880 he makes a cameo in it, but not all the 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:50.280 cameos that were filmed made the cup. Sydney Sweeney had 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.480 hers taken out. Apparently. 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.600 I always think about how devastating this would be as 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.359 an actor to have like turned up, got your hair 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.800 and makeup done, learnt lines filmed, and then have it 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.639 cut out. It's quite the ego, Bruce well He apparently. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.639 Entertainment Weekly reported that Sidney Sweeney filmed roughly a three 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.520 minute scene near the top of the movie where she 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.480 played herself being dressed for an event by Emily Blunt's character, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:22.280 who's now running Dior's US operations. Spoilers, but according to 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.080 a source, the scene did not work structurally with the 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.880 real rest of the sequence and it had to go. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:35.800 There's a fun podcast, Vogue US podcast about interviewing three 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:40.720 of Anna's recent former assistants about how accurate the movie 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.839 is to actually being her assistant, and one to bit 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.320 I took from it is that there is a twenty 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.040 one page manual for her assistance. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.280 Oh wow, that's a long man I have to say. 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.840 I love emanual though it's like it's all written here. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.760 I reckon. She goes through them so greatly. It's like 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.520 I need to it all down for training. 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.560 But life is divided into two camps of people. People 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.200 who like manuals and people who don't. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.080 Like I would be putting it to the sad work 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:09.320 it out. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.200 You would not be a good assistance. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.440 I'll definitely like that anyway. Our Laura Brodnick, who host 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.360 on the Spell Entertainment grew up Mamma May. It was 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.240 the jammy person from Mamma Mia who got to fly 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.960 to Korea to interview Merrill and Anne and all the 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.279 stars because that's where the Australian junkit went. Asked Merrill, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.120 I guess what she does have in common with Miranda Priestley, 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.760 and she revealed a bit of that and also said 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.480 that not only Sydney Sweeney, but she got cut to I. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.880 Wanted to ask you both, was there a particular request 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.920 that you put in that you wanted for your characters 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.560 in order to do this equal Well. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.000 I don't know. I always try to hurl my weight 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.919 around in these issues, but I didn't have any any 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.800 improvements to make on the script. I thought it came 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:53.240 to me just as fully formed and wonderful. Of course 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.240 I was cut out of quite a bit of it, but. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.479 I think that the whole arc of the character made 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.280 so much sense to me in this version. 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:07.640 I loved what. 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:16.320 Ellen had pictured as the dilemma that Miranda faces facing 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.440 the digitalization of media. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.880 So there's cut scenes of Miranda Priestley that we might 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:26.680 not see. Oh yes, I'm sure if they have a 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:27.720 DVD anymore. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.000 Okay, moving on to more scoreless nonsense. My good friend 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.160 Harry Styles may be engaged. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.960 What what's the evidence? Because I've seen a headline and 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.520 is this just like a random piece of unsubstantiated gossip. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.240 You know, he's going out with Zoe Kravitz, who is 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.800 awesome in every way. They've been doing what they do best, 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.200 which is they walk around European cities in baseball caps 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.719 and big coats, looking really cool holding coffee. That's what 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:57.200 they did. 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.080 I mean, isn't that what any of us. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:03.039 Were doing in the latest pictures of them doing that? 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.880 Though she's barely able to hold her coffee cup from 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.279 the weight of the diamond rock on that finger. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:12.200 Ah, that's a choice. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.279 So lots of people are like, oh, but I just 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.760 like to imagine that celebrities who have a lot of 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.680 rings to choose from just get up some mornings and 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.480 think I'm going to fuck with them. Let's just put 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.280 this ring on this finger today and wander about a bit, 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.960 get oversized coffees, and just see what happens. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.080 I think they're throwing a bone to the media generally. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.640 They're like, times are tough for you guys, so I'll 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.640 put on a ring, give you some headlines, and we're 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:37.600 all like, thank you. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:42.440 They need some clicks. And finally, we do not endorse 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.159 paparazzi imagery, even though that's where we show the rock. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.440 So I didn't see saw. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.400 Sorry, I'm the trash one. Here, we all know that 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.240 we do not endorse paparazzi imagery, et cetera. And yet 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.200 it's good to see that the papwalk is alive. And well, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.679 this morning I saw what we might call a pap 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:07.000 frolic all over my internets, which is Kim Kardashian and 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:12.840 Emily Vernham's good friend Lewis Hamilton in Malibu, basically like 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.280 living their best lives. She's wearing a wetsuit, although it 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.880 could be a new Skim's evening gown because let's face it, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.280 very similar Vine. She's wearing a wetsuit. They're like running 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.640 into the waves. They're cuddling each other. This is a 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:26.760 hard papaatte. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.640 So sorry, isn't this this is Wednesday today? 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.040 Right? So were they doing this. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:31.760 On a Tuesday? 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.640 Kim have a business to run and you need to 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.160 study for your law because, as she passed. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:44.840 Here, your children fifteen children exactly. So I'm in awe 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:49.640 of this Tuesday frolic. But my question is why still 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.200 do And so the pictures from my once well trained 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.239 eye look very set up like they're very good pap shots, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.840 and I'm like, why would you do that? In this 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.520 day and age when you're Kimkard rather than just post 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.760 the selfie, like why wouldn't her and Louis just be 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.720 like great day down at Malibu post rather than pretend 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.320 they've been crept up on. I think her and Lewis 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.400 ready to go fully public. They've been teasing. There's been 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.440 like a little bit of soft launching with like a 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.520 bit of Lewis's hand on her shoulder and a car, 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.520 a bit of this and that on her Instagram, I mean, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:25.280 on her official channels. They're ready to hard launch. Maybe 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:30.440 appearing like they've been busted rather than like a going 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.240 full hard launch is like. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.440 No' very mindful, very demure. 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.760 Yes, it's like a semi hard launch. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.920 Yeah. Last week, Reese Witherspoon posted a video to her 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:47.559 thirty million Instagram followers encouraging women in particular to embrace aar. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.040 Only thirty million. I've come on, Reese, it's like thirty 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.319 points see wow. 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:57.040 So her Instagram caption read, the AI revolution has begun 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.360 and I need to learn as much as I possibly 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.160 can about AI and share it with all of you. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.120 She also said in the caption the jobs women hold 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.679 are three times more likely to be automated. By AI, 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.480 Yet women are using AI at a rate twenty five 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:15.120 percent lower than men on average. In the video, she's 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.280 making this movie in her kitchen, and this is what 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:18.800 she says. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.600 I think it's time to learn about AI. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.280 I was with ten women at a book club yesterday 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.079 and I said to the ten of them, how many 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:26.400 of you guys use AI? 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.360 And only three of them used AI? 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:30.800 And then I said, how many of the three of 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.680 you feel like you really know what you're doing or 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.840 they're using it the right way? 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.320 And that was only one person. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.560 So if three out of ten women are the only 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.520 ones using AI, that means seventy percent of that group 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.839 is not keeping up. The thing I've learned about technology 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.040 is if you don't get a little bit of understanding 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.480 from the very beginning, it just speeds past you. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:56.080 The math smart Now. 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.320 I bet your last chat to VTA for. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:00.400 The percentage. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.880 I was complaining about Kim frolicking and Malibu. I kind 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.760 of wish all celebrities are just frolic tuesdays. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.680 Right, fiddling with their blender and talking to us about AAR. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:14.280 I know. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.839 So the big question about this has been I mean, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:24.240 for one, the backlash was pretty immediate people very annoyed 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.440 in the comments, saying things like this sounds like a 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.280 script from tech Bros. Or podcast Bros. It sounds like 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.400 a commercial. So there was questions about whether it was 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.800 an undisclosed ad, even though I'm like, it wouldn't be 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.960 a very good ad because it's just for AI as 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:37.520 a concept. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:38.520 Also, is this a. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.959 Book group that she like appeared in as a guest 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.720 or is this like her and Hilary Duff I, like 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.800 Renees el Worker getting together to talk about the secret? 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.559 Yes, is this book club? Everybody? We all know about that, 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:50.000 But there. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.520 Were only thirty people in it. Sorry, there are only 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:53.079 ten people. 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:54.840 I think it's a very exclusive group. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.959 Okay, I want to be in that book club. There 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:00.920 was another comment that said, I think it's okay not 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:05.520 to keep up with men on everything murder, violence, technology, 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:10.079 but rots brains. But I My first thought when I 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:15.240 saw this, and especially the fact that Reese spoke about 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.199 it in the context of a book club, was there 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.400 has been so much controversy in the book world about 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.920 AI and the fact that there are now you know, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.760 potentially entire books written by AI, that books have been 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.240 pulled from shelves. When we found out that the authors 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.800 of USDAI book covers all of that. I thought, Oh, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.560 pairing book club with are you using enough AI? Is 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.920 kind of on the nose. But Holly, did you feel 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:42.200 personally attached? 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.680 So I saw this in the wild because obviously I 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.760 follow Reese Witherspoon, and I came across it, like, what's 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.400 Ree's here to tell me about today? I thought she 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.079 was going to maybe give me a smoothie recipe. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.680 I know it was misleading or indeed. 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.600 A book recommendation, because many of her book recommendations are excellent. 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.800 And so I was like, mister similar, little bit strange. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.360 Why why is Reese Witherspoon telling me to use AI? 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.200 So I asked my robot. I went to the robot 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.960 and I said, why would this be the case? And 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.640 guess what. The generation who would make up most of 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.080 Reese Witherspoon's followers, which would probably be people around my 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.080 age and women in their forties, their fifties and beyond 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.160 who you know, they watched her in Sweet Home, Alabama. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.400 They they love her, right, She's a trusted voice to them. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:29.280 We are the slowest adopters of AI, particularly the women 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.320 of that age and the robot helpfully gave me this 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.240 information with a little picture to represent us of a tortoise. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.480 There's a little picture of a tortoise, and it said 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.280 the slowest adopters, they might as well have gone. No 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.640 Boomers and gen X. There is a significant generation or divide. 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.360 Roughly fifty percent of boomers do not use AI at all, 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.920 and sixty eight percent of total non users come from 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:58.160 gen X or Boomer cohorts. So Reese is talking directly 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.600 to AI's target mark because AI, and you're right, it's 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.880 not one thing, it's lots of companies. But still they 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.200 want everybody to be on board with the robots, not 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.600 just a few people. And so who would you get 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.559 the robots are canny? Who do you get to convince 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:19.080 people that you are not, you know, faceless, energy sucking 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.640 job stealers, but you are helpful assistants who can make 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.240 a busy woman's life easier. You ask Greese withtherspoon to 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.280 do it. And of course the truth about that statement. 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.800 By the way, making a smoothie is exactly what the 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.960 robots would suggest. You should be doing it as you 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.680 picture to women, and that's what busy women do. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.760 They do. And then they wouldn't tell you exactly what 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.000 to put in it to have the highest protein content, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.560 et cetera, et cetera. I think the truth, of course, 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.760 is that AI is both those things. It is the 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.280 energy sucking job stealer and the helpful assistant. I asked 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:51.960 out loud as if they were what they were using 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:53.480 it for, because a lot of them fall into the 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.679 same category as Reese's people, and they were like, yeah, absolutely, travel, 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.600 meal planning, gardening info, community sports people are using it 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.480 to plan out their teams and all that kind of 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.960 like people. So lots and lots of Reese's people are 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.959 using AI. It does smell them in weird. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.880 I smell a route in Reese's kitchen along with some 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:17.680 masai and some cottage cheese. Because she has done this before, Guys, 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.480 she has done this before. She did it with crypto. Now, 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.120 thankfully we don't have to think about crypto very much anymore. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.600 But in case you forgot, it's the currency favored by 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.920 criminals worldwide that is essentially gambling. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.000 I was about to ask, i'm I just did an un. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.160 Licensed Sorry I interrupted you. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.240 Please me. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.440 I was going to ask you why we don't have 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.040 to worry anymore. But then I thought, maybe that's a 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:38.800 different podcast. 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.440 It's very boring. Basically, just don't worry about it. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:43.440 Don't worry about it, just. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:44.440 A very silly idea. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.160 But all the celebrities got on the crypto bandwagon in 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.400 a big way, like Matt Damon did a Super Bowl 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:53.080 out about it, Gwynneth and Kim Kimmy Kay both tweeted 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:57.520 about it. But Reese had this series of tweets in 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.240 late twenty twenty one and in twenty twenty two she 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.920 espoused how great cryptocurrency was, and I just want to 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.120 read two to you because they're super robotic in the throne. 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.280 The first one says crypto is here to stay. I'm 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.960 committed to supporting creators who have pioneered the NFT space 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.520 and encouraging more women to be part of this conversation. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.120 By the way, NFTs, don't even worry about it. It's 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:21.640 some like fake way to get money from it. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.920 And the captured on this sounded quite similar, to be honest, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:25.520 like it was. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.520 Like a robot wrote it. And then it turns out 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.920 that she did invest in crypto. Hello Sunshine, which is 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.360 her company, even sold NFTs again, don't worry. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:37.960 About it a fake thing to her money on. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.240 So she was definitely financially interested in that sector, and 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.440 it was kind of cynical of her to sort of 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.200 guilt trip women or to make them feel like if 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.000 they weren't on this bandwagon, they were missing out on 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.320 this great opportunity, because it turns out it was not 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.600 a great opportunity. Now we don't know how AI is 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.760 going to go. It could turn out to be the 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.600 end of the human race or its new flowerishing. But 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.440 the point is there are lots of ways to invest 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.840 in that sector, and I am sure that Reese with 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.880 a Spoon has a lot of interest in making sure 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:11.960 that women are using AI. 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.200 She's denied, so, I mean, that's exactly what I thought 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:16.680 when I came across it, and I was like, this 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.000 smells funny. But she has flatly denied that she's being paid. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.560 Oh, I don't think she's being paid. But there is 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.920 this set of companies in the US called the Magnificent Seven, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.320 and they are tech companies who are basically running the 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.520 US stock market. She doesn't have to be paid to 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.000 have a financial interest in making sure that women use 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.040 aias that's a really. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.640 Good point if she's invested in it and then wants 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:43.360 to get people using it more. But I wonder if 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.360 it's if it's backfired. Not that it could backfire in 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.320 any tangible way with the mass adoption of AI, but 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.840 the thing it made me think with the question of 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.920 so she said she asked these women, three of them 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.760 were using it, which one of those or how many 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.440 of them those three actually know what they're doing? And 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:07.600 one of them said, yes, ask anybody who actually knows 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.240 what they or who feels like they're using AI to 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.840 its full capacity. I was like, this is another one 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.719 of those things that we're just always going to feel 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.160 deficient in that you never know enough. Like I don't 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:26.720 think anybody feels like they're using AI to the full 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.800 extent of its capacity. I like, I don't know. I 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.919 play around on chat GPT, but I don't want that 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.200 to be another stick I beat myself with day day 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.560 that it's like, Okay, I've got to get my protein, 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.600 I've got to make my smoothie, and I've got to 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.560 be on top of the most cutting ed edge technology 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.520 that is literally updating daily. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.840 True, although the robots can help you do all that, 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:56.840 body stop stop out is like I invested one in 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:02.640 an ambiguous AI company. I also sidebar. Now I really 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.439 want Amelia to just do a little segment where it's like, 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.080 these are things you don't have to worry about. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.080 Yeah, I'm not going to on a Tuesday, so what 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:11.520 do I know? 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.800 No, I need the same thing. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.520 In a moment, just a few short mom months ago, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.399 this man was one of the most hated people on 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:27.000 the internet, and now he's everybody's favorite cuddly dude. We 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:31.600 are unpacking the bounce back of David Harbor. Sometimes pop 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:36.400 culture is really really weird. Right in my world, I'm 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.320 watching clips from Lily Allen's live show roll out across 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.760 the world. So she's on her west End Girl tour. 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.160 It's already been around Europe, now it's in America. It's 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.280 doing all the capital cities, etc. It's not a normal 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.879 live show this it's not like a concert where she 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.280 plays all her hits. It's like a one woman performance 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.800 of her album west End Girl, complete with costume changes 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.080 and props. And it's just Lily on the stage basically 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:02.920 performing that album. 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.040 Right, but there's a band with her. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.439 Well you don't see the band. Oh no, it's just 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.800 her and she's like, there's a boudoir set and she's 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.600 doing things like So, just a quick recap in case 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.280 anybody missed this seismic moment. She released this album in 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.879 October last year, and it is a blow by blow 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.760 account of the disintegration of her marriage to David Harbor, 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.399 the star of Stranger Things, which includes all kinds of 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:32.080 very titillating and heartbreaking revelations about his cheating, about his 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.840 request for things to be open, for her to discover 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.320 that things were rather more open than she thought, and 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.000 so on and so on. So she's basically performing the 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:44.360 deterioration of this marriage, complete with props like the infamous 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.040 plastic bag that she rummaged through and found all the 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:47.679 butt plus the. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.040 Most famous plastic bag since Katy Perry's firework. 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.040 Yeah, absolutely put spot on pop culture references. There really lester. 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.159 In fact, this little grab of pussy Palace we're about 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.440 to play you just to jog the memory. While she's 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.639 singing this, you'll see she's like on the bed and 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.320 she's picking up the plastic bag and rummaging through it 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.080 and pulling out butt pluck. Here we go, way read 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.960 bag with the handles by sex close but pluklu eggs 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.040 by hundreds of children. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.399 You're so bucky broken? How do I get more in 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:20.160 your job? 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:24.399 The crowd and going wild? 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.600 What I'm just thinking. She wouldn't have been able to 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.560 write this in Australia. You can't get a plastic to 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.720 save your life. And it had to be the sex 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.240 toys in the brown paper bag, right, the. 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.080 Plastic bag is very important. 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:45.159 So anyway, funny that that album is actually catchy. 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.120 Oh, I love it. Doesn't sound grude. 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.199 I love the album. I'm going to this show in October. 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.360 I can't wait. Although like it does look kind of flat. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.639 Kind of weird. Did not sell me. 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.280 There is a moment where in the show, for example, 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.120 she wears a dress that is made of printed receipts 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.679 from all the things that she found David Harbor had 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.639 brought for other women. I mean, she is like not, 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.000 she is going hard. It's great anyway, David Harbor, if 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.840 you're not if you don't remember this excellent moment was 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.240 the guy in Stranger Things, That's who is I've just 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.560 rewatched all of Stranger Things with my children. He's great 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.320 in it. His character in it is prickly and particularly likable, 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.960 but he's really great in it. I'm not proud of this, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.879 but watching rewatching Stranger Things with my children, I found 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:32.680 myself explaining the Lily David problem to my daughter. 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.240 And you're like, have I ever told you. 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:40.200 About tell her about that? But I was like, I 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.520 was kind of like, I know, we like Hopper, but 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.440 he cheated on one of my favorite pop stars. And 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:50.560 they're just looking at me, like what exactly? Anyway, that's 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.760 too much information, but anyway, I digress. So that's what 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:56.080 Lily's doing right now. 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.000 And they've sold the Brownstone in Brooklyn. 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.399 The divorce is over, they're done. But right now Lily 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:05.080 is touring that album. And also right now, David Harbor 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.919 is on the Hottest show on TV Now. A lot 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.320 of out Louders are probably watching this because Claire's recommended it. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.560 It's called dt F Saint Lewis, and also we saw 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.200 them chatting about it in the group. I know you've 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.760 been watching it, Emelia. It is so great. 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:18.440 It's good. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.840 But interestingly, David Harbor, who's one of the two main 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:25.639 stars and three main stars in this, plays an incredibly 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:27.200 likable guy, like. 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.240 So likable, just a turdy bear. Of a man. 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.200 Yeah, Yeah, wouldn't you describe him as. 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:40.439 A very and very importantly quite vulnerable and imperfect, but 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.520 somebody who's imperfect but their motivations are so pure. Yes, 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:45.680 that's what's Yeah. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.200 And he's a sign language interpreter and he's a great 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.080 step dad to his kid, and he's like wrestling with 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.880 self esteem issues like he's great. 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.480 Right, And the show itself is about without any spoilers, 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.760 the show itself is a about fidelity in fidelity and 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.360 shows kind of the messiness of that. 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:13.040 Interestingly, he would have been filming this show at exactly 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.080 the same time she was recording that album, so it's 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.720 not like that album. It was like apparently that album 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:20.200 was recorded in about February last year, and this movie, 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.199 this show was filmed between February and May last year. 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:25.119 And is he a creator of the show. No, I don't. 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.600 I think Jason Bateman is an EP. It might be 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:29.800 an EP too. 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.959 Yeah, but yeah, not involved in Okay, So it's not 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:36.399 like he wrote this role as a redemption or anything. 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.600 But what is happening and what we want to talk about, 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.480 if I've been talking about lots of things, is that 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:44.919 we're very bad. I think at separating characters from people, 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:49.159 but we so we are obsessed with likability. And I 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:51.200 got a lot of messages during the last season and 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.919 Stranger Things because the Lily revelations came out just before that. 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.479 What a coincidence, just before that show kicked back in 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.320 for its final record breaking season. I've got a lot 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:03.399 of messages during that time. So finding it hard to 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.400 watch him, finding it hard to watch this guy now right, 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:12.480 And his response to the tsunami of attention was very interesting. 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.960 He didn't comment, which is rare in this day and age. 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:18.399 He didn't comment at all. Really, he did minimal promo 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.840 for Stranger Things, and then he just kept moving. He's 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.440 got about three big action movies coming out this year, 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.880 his careers on fire. But it's really interesting that he didn't. 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.560 But what I'm feeling swelling up and seeing around on 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:33.879 the internet is this kind of like, oh, David, and 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:38.240 I'm feeling even a brewing Lily backlash because we just 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:42.480 kind of want this narrative to somehow mean more than 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:43.520 it probably does. 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.240 And what's interesting is that the exact same thing, that 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:52.840 exact confusion between character and actor is happening to another 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:56.080 star of another huge TV show right now, which is 0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:59.480 The Pit. The Pit finale was just last week of 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:01.880 season two. Who We're definitely not going to give away 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:05.120 any spoilers here, but the pendulum of public opinion has 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:09.639 swung wildly away from its start. Noah Wiley doctor Robbie 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.399 on the show. Now, we talked just a couple of 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.720 weeks ago on this show about how that character kind 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:18.919 of embodies what's now being called competency porn, this idea 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.119 that when someone is so good at their job, it 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:26.359 makes them unbelievably hot. And everyone loved Doctor Robbie and 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:30.840 by extension, Noah Wiley, and he was just riding high 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:32.600 on this idea that the show was great. 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:33.840 He was a great guy. 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:39.040 And now doctor Robbie slash Noah Wiley is giving. 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:40.040 Us all the ick. 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:41.520 What did he do? 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.200 It happened in like two weeks. It's really bizarre. 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.800 What we do know is there was a GQ interview 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:51.720 he gave which people were really turned off by. And 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:54.639 he says things in it like I made jokes on 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.960 set this season where I'd say, someone bring. 0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.200 Me another woman to yell at oh. 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.359 And then there's another part in it where he talks 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:07.120 about so unlike David Harber, Noah Wiley was very involved 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.680 in the creation of this show, The Pit, And there's 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.560 a scene in the GQ article where he's telling the cast, 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.000 if you're looking for better writing, there isn't. If you're 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.560 looking for more resonance from your work, there won't be. 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.200 It doesn't get any better than working on the set 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.960 of The Pit. And everyone's kind of rolling their eyes 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:27.480 at that. And it's also sort of conflated with the 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.439 idea that on the show he does do a lot 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:30.280 of yelling at women. 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.000 He does do a lot of yelling at women of 0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:32.640 color in. 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.840 Particular, and there's just this kind of brewing backlash that 0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:40.520 both Noah Wiley and his character Doctor Robbie a jerks. 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:43.280 But what fascinates me about this is the whiplash because 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:45.720 David Harbor at least had a few months to kind 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:46.480 of go to ground. 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.880 Noah Wiley, everyone loved him one week and then hate 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:51.639 it in the next. 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:56.200 It was literally there was so much of a cultural 0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:58.800 moment around even just how hot he was. Yeah, I 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.199 think it was the baftis and wearing a wearing a 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.200 suit and he did that bit with Christian Bell where 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.439 he got her to read out all this like medicalnology. 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:09.399 Everybody loved that. 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.240 There was so many like viral moments where we were 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:14.760 just loving him, going back to Er and being like, 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:16.720 how did we how did we sleep on this? Like 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:17.639 how did we figure. 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.600 George Clooney got all the attention in there? 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:21.879 Yeah, and you're thinking, how did we forget about this? 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.000 And you're right. The trajectory of the show, which has 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.680 kind of showed him to be a flawed human, which 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.240 he was at the beginning, but he's had some unflattering 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:36.639 character moments that has definitely been extrapolated to who he 0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:37.560 is in real life. 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:41.840 So that's so his his not being the perfect person 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.000 on the show has robbed off on his real life persona. 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:45.959 And he could argue that David Harbor things a bit 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.440 the other way round, for him being a perfect, well 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:51.359 not perfect, but a very sympathetic character on the show 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.120 is rubbing off on him in a positive way. 0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:57.800 Exactly so with Noah Wiley, you a couple of weeks 0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:01.520 ago he got his his star on the Hollywood Walk 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.400 of Fame and there was all this analysis about who 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:09.280 wasn't there to support him, and because he's made enemies 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.880 of all these previous castmates and everyone's ever worked with, 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:17.520 and so much of this stuff is without any evidence, 0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:23.240 and obviously those quotes are not great, but. 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.040 You'll also shows him self awareness if he's like, bring 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:26.960 me another woman to yell at. What he means is 0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.280 that's what they're doing on the show. 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:32.840 Yes, yes, but it's like that classic giving situation where 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:35.000 everything they do starts to annoy. 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:36.000 You, rightly or wrongly. 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:38.200 But look, I think there might be a way out 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:39.920 of this trap, because it clearly is a trap for 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:42.000 people in the public eye. And in fact, I'm reading 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.960 Lena Dunham's or I'm listening to Lena Dunham's new memoir 0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.920 Fame Sick right now, and she even talks about how 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.120 confusing it is that when you're a famous person, your 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.760 name starts to mean someone else. It starts to mean 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.040 like a character. And so she talks about feeling alienated 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.080 from the idea of Lena Dunham because Lena Dunham in 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:03.760 the public eye means something different to what she knows 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:04.680 Lena Dunham is. 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:05.080 Yeah. 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.000 There was a quote from her in that New York 0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.120 interview that we talked about the other week, Claire, where 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:10.959 she said she wanted to go and vote, and her 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:12.720 dad said and she wanted her dad to come with it, 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.520 and he said to her, I just don't think I 0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:17.040 can go and vote with Lena Dunham. 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:18.400 Yeah, And she. 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.000 Was like, yeah, I know what you mean, Like, yeah, 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.320 I have to go out there being Lena Dunham today rather. 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.760 Than just yeah, than just Lena Dunham, your daughter. And 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.560 there was another I've seen something else going around about 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:34.800 how she There was a question on a game show 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.720 or a quiz or something that was like, who is 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:39.720 Lena Dunham And she was like, I'd love to know. Yeah, 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.800 I have no idea, but it is that thing of you, 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:47.600 especially with her. Actually she was just different. Hannah Horvath 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.719 and Lena Dunham became the same person. And what I 0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.360 need to hear from you about the memoir. To me, 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.480 Adam Driver is the same as his character and. 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.160 Girl, Well that's what's interesting because I want to posit 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.920 that Adam Driver has somehow managed to escape this situation 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.920 because in the memoir, which yes, is so good that 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.040 I'm listening to it while brushing. 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.520 My teeth, it's that kind of boa on my list. 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:15.360 One thing that she makes clear in the book is 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:19.239 that Adam Driver is a very confronting person to work with. 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:21.360 She talks about the very first sex scene they did. 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:25.880 Sorry he played her boyfriend Adam from the beginning, and 0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.440 he was always well I've heard her say like, he 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.880 wasn't a great boyfriend, even though by the end of 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:32.600 the arc people kind of like that. And then he 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.720 went on to be quite a significant Hollywood star. He's 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.720 been in Star Wars, movies, Maage. 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:38.680 Story, so on. 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.320 Yeah, he's a huge star now. But the very first 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.600 scene that they shot together was a sex scene. But 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.680 then Adam Driver kind of pushed the boundaries in the 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:48.760 sex scene. She was the director, so she told him 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.200 exactly what she wanted to happen in the sex scene, 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:55.440 and this is pretty intimacy advisors on sets, and then 0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.320 he kind of just did something totally different, and at 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.520 the end of the scene, while she didn't feel violated, 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.360 she said she did feel kind of a little bit 0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:08.200 set off her equilibrium, a little bit discombobulated. 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.400 But then everyone applauded. 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.600 Because he'd done this amazing job and he was kind 0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:13.200 of forgiven. 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.200 Celebrate the genius, the male genius. 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.760 Well, exactly do you think that the reason why Adam 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:19.360 and then she goes on to say that he also 0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:22.520 throw a chair on set once, but she doesn't sort 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.560 of blame him for it. Why do you think Adam 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:28.040 Driver is able to exist above this trap that all 0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:29.640 these other celebrities fall into. 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:35.080 I think it's because when you start watching Girls, you 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:40.160 watch the first episode, you go that man's disgusting, that 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:44.360 man is gross, he treats her badly. I don't get 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:48.800 the appeal, and then slowly, over several seasons, you fall 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.600 in love with him, and you fall in love with 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:55.160 him Watson all. You know, he's angry, you know he's immature, 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.960 you know he says the wrong thing, and he can 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:01.480 be a dick, but there is enough lovability there that 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.920 it kind of cancels it out. So I think he 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:08.360 is almost immune from what Lena Dunham's writing. I don't 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.800 think it will affect his reputation in Hollywood all because 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:12.680 I think that's who we understood him to be in 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.280 the first place, which is unfair. 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.200 Which is yet another example of the character rubbing off 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.320 on the person. Right, Because whether out of them Drivers 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.320 like that in real life or not, we don't know. Well, 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.200 I want to ask you. We do forgive men more 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.120 easily than we forgive women for anything that suggests they're 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:31.400 anything other than a perfect person. If a famous, powerful woman, 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.600 you know, isn't nice enough to her assistant, isn't you know, 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.400 lovely enough to everybody on set doesn't respect the director 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.320 suggests screen script changes whatever we're like, what a bitch? 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.360 What you know? I don't mean we are, but the 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:49.040 culture is, you know, not kind. And it's interesting. I think, 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.160 you know, all of these situations are quite different if 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.440 you think about David Harbor. Nothing he did was nothing 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.640 that Lily Allen accuses him of doing is illegal or 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:02.520 desperately abusive. But it's definitely bad behavior, no question right. 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.720 And I think a lot of women sympathized with her 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:09.520 enormously about being in a relationship with a gas slidey 0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:12.760 guy who keeps telling her, but you said this was fine, 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.360 and I thought you like this, and you know, and 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.480 all of those things. And I think a lot of 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:22.840 women related to that. And he was very smart, I 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.239 think in his response because the problem. I think one 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.280 of the reasons Adam Driver gets away with it, for example, 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.120 is he's not a celebrity like he is. 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:30.160 But he's not. 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:31.880 I don't know where he lives. I don't know if 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.840 he's married. I don't know if he's gay, straight, whatever. 0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:38.520 I don't know if he has children. David Harbor back 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:40.320 in the Lily Allen days in particularly, I know what 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:41.560 the inside of his house looks like. 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:44.040 We know what he has inside, some plastic bags. 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:48.320 But even from his sharing like he was a celebrity, 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:51.960 he clearly really enjoyed that stranger things moment of going 0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:55.240 from jobbing actor to superstar. And I saw their wedding 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.959 and I saw and so that was a bit of 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.440 that sort of He's a celebrity with a person sona 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.280 that now can be torn down, and he seems to 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:06.400 have opted to go back to the private. He hasn't. 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.360 He's scrubbed most of personal things from his Instagram. He 0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.319 has got a new partner. She's a twenty seven year 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.759 old model. You do with that what you will. And 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:16.799 he's moved on, so has Lily. But like he is not. 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.240 Two years older than Leo, that's true. 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.759 He he doesn't talk about anything public anymore, and I 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.560 wonder if that's because he's just had the experience of 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:28.960 the leopard eating his face, you know, what I mean, like, 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.440 I love being famous for a hot minute. I let 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.200 everybody in this is what happened to me. Whereas Adam Driver, 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.040 Like if he's a bit of a dick, does it 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.320 matter do we go and see Adam Driver movies? Because 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:40.520 we think he's a nice guy? 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:41.200 I know. 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.520 And I also think that with these three men, and 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:49.880 I think the Noah Wiley thing will be short lived 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:53.439 and he has room redemption in a couple of weeks. Yes, 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:58.040 I think we allow men a level of complexity to 0:34:58.080 --> 0:34:59.440 their character that we don't allow to. 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:02.719 Through a chair. Then it was just because you know, 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:03.600 that's his process. 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.799 So yeah, what I think this one exception, I don't 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.479 think Timmy Charlon May is coming back from ballet gate 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.800 when he said that ballet and opera, I think. 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:14.680 There's I think there's enough time. I think he just 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.319 has to give it time. But this is also my 0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:23.760 theory that the antidote to any backlash, outrage, public shaming 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:26.279 is creating good art. 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.600 Like you look, that's such an optimistic tape. 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.640 No, I do think you love it. Ultimate distraction and 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:34.600 it is what gets people to forgive you. And you 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.600 look at Taylor Swift and you look at how she 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.239 went through a very very tough moment. And then it's like, 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.040 if you make good music, people forgive you. 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.160 Isn't it also just staying the course, like keeping your 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:47.560 head down and keep going to an extent. 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.800 Ye, But with David Harbor, this this has been called 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:54.080 the finest performance of his career. He might end up 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.360 winning lots of awards, winnings of awards, And I think 0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:00.200 being really good at what you do makes people. 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.279 I like to imagine that Lily's in a hotel room 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.040 on tour and she's just like throwing shit at the 0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:05.360 table watching that show. 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:08.440 Like I thought, you don't away with you or this 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:09.759 is not how it was? 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.080 You know how? We often look for happiness advice from 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:19.640 people who have been through adversity, like there was that 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.760 there was that amazing, amazing book by the Holocaust survivor 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:26.560 about like the Happiest Man Alive. We often look for 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:28.960 people who have perhaps been through the darkest of. 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:33.080 Times, or like maybe very old people who've really seen 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:34.680 all of lives ups and. 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:39.520 Down exactly, and we want people to impart wisdom upon 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:44.160 us about how to truly live a joyful, grateful life. Well, 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.480 have you ever thought that maybe that was wrong, and 0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.799 maybe you should be getting your advice on happiness and 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:55.280 gratitude from Lauren Sanchez Bezos, because that is who's. 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:56.720 Giving some She looks pretty happy. 0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:58.600 Yeah, she does look happy. So she is the wife 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.439 of Jeff Bezos, who's now worth is around the two 0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:03.399 hundred and fifty billion dollar mark. 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.880 It's doubled in the like the last five years, which 0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.560 you know, when you start with one hundred and twenty 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.240 five billion and then you end up with two hundred 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.080 and fifty billion. If he gave a million dollars to 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.440 every single person in America, it still has some change. 0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:21.319 See that the billion in billionaire will never it will 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.560 never make any sense. It's a lot, is all the 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:24.000 out loud. 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:24.799 It's to know. 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:30.239 But Lauren Sanchez Bezos has done this profile with the 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:32.680 New York Times and they run with the headline someone 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.920 has to be happy, Why not Lauren Sanchez Bezos, to 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.520 which I say, I don't really care about her happiness, 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:42.239 but anyway, and then it's got at the top of 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.880 the article as half of an unfathomably powerful couple, missus 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.840 Sanchez Bezos seems to have influenced the uber rich to 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:50.960 stop apologizing and start enjoying. 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.560 Oh my god, because they were so apologized before, they 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:56.760 were so hiding the light under a bushel. 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.839 Really, their wedding is the best example of that. Yes, 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.120 so private, not flashy, But the part that's drawn a 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.320 lot of attention is about how she and her husband 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.320 practice gratitude. We know we're meant to practice gratitude, guys, 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:13.400 So here's some advice. So on a typical day, the 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:17.160 newlyweds wake up around six in. Then you roughly two 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:18.920 hundred and thirty million dollar compound. 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.680 Okay, it's in a compound called the Billionaire Bunkers. 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.400 In Florida, which is not where I spend my money. 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.680 But you do look at me doing Listen if I've 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.000 got any choice, as if anyone's asking me if I 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.160 want to go live with a billy, then no, no, no, 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:33.480 thank you, no no noice. 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:34.880 Harry with the coffees. 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:39.919 Yeah yeah, but private island in Miami. They don't touch 0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:41.759 their phones, So that's what we're going on. 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:43.759 Really, Jeff doesn't touch. 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:47.600 He seems like you should be busy instead. They begin 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.680 each day by listing ten things they're grateful for, and 0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:54.000 they can't repeat what they named the day before. 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.279 I've been thinking about this literally every morning since I 0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.600 first read it two weeks ago, and but what I've 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.239 concluded is that ten is too many things to be 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.240 grateful for, Like my health is just one thing unless 0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:09.239 they start listening individual organs like my liver, my kidneys. 0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:12.960 I reckon, Jeff probably is doing that your breast. 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:16.840 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're left breath yeah changing. 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.080 I like exactly the ten things. And then there was 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:24.440 an amazing article in the Atlantic called the ten things 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.920 the Bezos's are almost certainly grateful for each morning by 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.280 Alexandra Petrie, who always does hilarious things. And my favorite 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.840 thing was that it just said number one money. You 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.040 can't repeat yourself, but I guess maybe each day it's 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:41.319 like one money, the next day, one cash on this 0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:46.440 particular bank account, this particular billion tax bras. 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.800 Wow, which really should listen to rich people more. 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:54.960 Really helpful? 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:58.360 After the break, Why do I feel weird when a 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.080 gen Z coworker compliments my outfit? So a truth about 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:06.080 getting older is that you don't really realize you are 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:10.160 getting older. I still think of myself as this incredibly 0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:12.799 precocious twenty four year old, and I bounce into the 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:15.880 office with that energy. And then it's come to my 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:19.920 attention recently that in fact, there are people younger than 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:20.760 me in this office. 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:22.359 Yes, which is. 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:24.240 A little bit shocking, and a lot younger. 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.200 Yeah, like I thought they were still in daycare, but no, 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:28.240 they're working. 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:30.880 Oh, lots of them have been born in the two thousands. 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.200 And when one of them compliments my clothes, I get 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.960 sent into this absolute talespin. I thought that was just me. 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.840 But Delia Kai, who writes this amazing newsletter called These Links, 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.840 she wrote about this exact phenomenon recently and I felt 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:47.200 deeply seen by it. She said, whether consciously deployed or not, 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.279 there's a real power move pulled anytime a young coworker 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:55.200 compliments you the older on your clothes. And then she 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.759 goes on to pinpoint exactly why she feels weird about this. 0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.719 But first I want to know two things from each 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:01.719 of you. One do you feel the same way? And 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:03.520 two what was the thing you got the last thing 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.680 you got complimented on by a gen Z co worker. 0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:13.480 This morning, our gens Z social genius Tessa complimented my 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:14.720 shirt in the kitchen. 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:15.359 It is very good. 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.520 Did not feel weird. I don't relate to this. 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.719 We just describe the shirt because it's amazing. 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:21.279 Well, this shirt is from an op shop, so I 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:26.120 get double points. Laurence Sanchez couldn't. It's from an op shop, 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:28.759 it's got fish on it, and I got it a 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:30.520 couple of years ago, and I wasn't brave enough to 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.320 wear it, and now I started wearing it and Tess, 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.719 Actually I got two compliments this morning, both from gen Z's. 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:43.520 I love getting compliments, same ship, so I love getting 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:44.719 so I don't mind at all. 0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:47.640 This is a millennial neurosis. When discovering Claire. 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:51.880 Yeah, M complimented me on my T shirt yesterday. T 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:55.120 shirt I was thinking, is the same one I'm wearing today? No, 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:57.000 it's not in the world white T shirt with like 0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:57.680 a print on it. 0:41:57.760 --> 0:41:59.160 Okay, but humble bragg But. 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:03.799 I was very aware that. I was like, this is 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.920 one of those compliments someone gives you because you're pregnant. 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:09.880 You look terrible. And she's like, I like your T shirt. 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:10.520 Yeah right. 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:14.239 And I wonder the Genzas have been giving a lot 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.560 of compliments recently, and I wonder if they've read some 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:19.279 advice about how that's good for social skills, and then 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:21.520 I start doubting whether it was genuine in the first place. 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.560 Delia talks about when she was a young person, she 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.399 had this HR manager at her first job who wore 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.719 really insane outfits like booty shorts and couture in the 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.680 same outfit, and she says, I probably wanted to get 0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:36.040 to know her, but I was so bewildered by her 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.560 seniority that all I could ever muster was a quick 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:41.080 scan of her outfit, where I'd pick one thing to compliment. 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.319 And I do know what she means. When you were young, 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:47.279 older people are really kind of confusing, and particularly when 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.600 they wear confusing clothes, and sometimes you blurt out something 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.279 that may or may not be true, just because it 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:56.160 feels like you need to acknowledge the weirdness between you. 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:58.759 But look, I should also say that em was really 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:00.880 mad about this. She said that compliment is just a 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.240 compliment from a young person, but sometimes it can be barbed. 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.920 Explain to me why it feels weird. I don't understand. 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.480 So if Tess or m or someone today said to 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.319 you love your shirt, Amelia, what. 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:15.600 For the record, they didn't, which is fine. 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.239 Would you be worried about Look, I think what we're 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.080 unpacking here is just a sort of like fundamental truth 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:25.239 about the passage of time, which you wholly have come 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.040 to terms of the fact that you are not twenty 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:27.640 four anymore. 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:29.759 Yeah, right, and I think that Claire and I are 0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:31.000 not yet quite bad? 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:31.400 Isn't that? 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.400 But isn't the compliment like a nice thing where you 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:36.480 could still feel like you were twenty four? Why do you. 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:37.839 Feel like it's petrolize? 0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:38.279 Well? 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.319 Producer Ruth told us the story that she got complimented 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.799 in the office recently. She wears a signature scent which 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.960 is amazing, and a younger coworker said that it reminded 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:49.640 her of her mind. 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.200 They see that is a barbed compliment, but just a 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.040 young person admiring your See, some people are just weird 0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:58.799 with compliments. And is it millennials? Because I like giving compliments, 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.279 and I also I don't love receiving compliments, But the 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.360 kind of compliments like nice shoes, I mean easy compliment 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.640 to me, that's an uncomplicated complimence, right, I don't have 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:11.440 to like go, well, you know when someone goes you've 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:13.640 got nice hair, and you immediately go kind of oh, 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:17.400 But it's so today nice shoes is straightforward. Thanks, I 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:18.120 like them too. 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:19.719 Okay, I'll take the bait. I think this is the 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.799 reason why why I feel weird. And maybe Claire you 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.080 can tell us whether you agree. I think it's because 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.480 millennials feel constantly under attack by jen Zaid constantly. So 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:31.399 The New York Times just a couple of weeks ago 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:35.759 published an article that declared that winged eyeliner was out. Yeah, 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:38.719 And I took that personally, as Michael Jordan once said, 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:40.279 do you know what I mean? 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.040 I just feel like they're out together. 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:44.239 So we've been We've been talking on the show about 0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.239 this stuff for a while. They have canceled while we've 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.640 been talking on this show, the infamous skinny jean side part. 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.360 They kicked it all off, right, But we have talked 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:56.480 in the last recent Times about them canceling mascara, Ye, 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:58.800 getting your nails done. 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.959 Wanting us to do the lipstick that looks like we've 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:02.720 just been kissed. 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:06.720 Yes, socks eyeshadow got canceled. Socks was a big flash 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:07.759 point for a while there. 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.160 Ankle socks, bad high socks. 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.000 Yes, And whenever we talk about this, slash right about 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.120 this because I wrote a newsletter about the MASCA because 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:18.960 I took that. I did take that personally, Lots of 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:20.719 people just say to me, why do you care what 0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:23.040 the young people think? Like, why do you care about 0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:28.000 that question? And also like screw them, where your stupid 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:28.920 socks with bride? 0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:34.480 What I think it's because taste slash, what we think 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:38.239 looks good slash, what we think is flattering is so 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:42.080 socialized and internalized, And as you get older you kind 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:45.920 of realize that because when you're like in my twenties, 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.440 I was very convinced that what I believed was flattering 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:53.160 and what I believed looked good really did. And then 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.560 having the benefit of a little bit of hindsight, you think, oh, no, 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:59.040 that was just that looks good because that was the 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.360 trend and that sort of wearing, and all the people 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:05.600 who look good were wearing that exactly. Yes, And then 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:09.839 now I'm very aware that things I thought flatter were 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:14.120 flattering weren't. Things that I thought weren't flattering were probably fine. 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.319 And it's also this thing that jen Z has, which 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:22.280 is like railing against the idea of things being flattering 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.680 or things being like I feel like I had quite 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.120 a narrow idea of beauty standards, where it was like 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:33.359 tight tight clothing, you want to look pretty, like all. 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:37.360 Of it worth, let's just call out the elephant in 0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:38.920 the room thin, yes, pretty and. 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.799 Sin exactly, Whereas now I feel like there's a bit 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:46.960 more like character and grit to how you're meant to 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:48.799 look that I feel like I don't fully have a 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.759 grasp on. So I think, Amelia, I wonder if we 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:54.040 have to confront the fact that when we get these 0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.799 compliments and we feel funny about it, I think it's 0:46:56.840 --> 0:47:00.919 about us. I think we've internalized I'm not quite right. 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:01.239 Yep. 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.040 Like I walk into situations being like, I know this 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:05.960 is wrong, and then someone gives me a compliment and 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:10.200 I'm like, they're trying to make me feel less out 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:13.799 of water a millennial slogan. I know this is wrong, 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:14.560 all of it. 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:17.680 We want to learn from you. Thank you for the 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:18.880 compliments give us. 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:22.759 Oh gosh, well that is all we have time for 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:28.080 this month. Modday. It's not Monday, it's Wednesday. Sometimes Wednesdays 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:31.640 feel like a Monday. Thank you to our amazing team 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:33.759 for helping us put this show together. Well, actually just 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:37.120 for putting the show together. Thank you to all of 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:38.840 the out louders who have helped make this show the 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:40.719 most popular in the country. We are going to be 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:44.920 back in your ears on Friday. Goodbye Bye. 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:46.160 Mum. 0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.080 Mayer acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:50.520 we've recorded this podcast.