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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Straano. This is MMA MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Late this morning, the ninety seventh

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Speaker 2: Academy Awards ceremony will get under way, and despite doubled

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Speaker 2: Murphy with the latest from the Quickie newsroom for Monday

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Both Queensland and New South Wales residents are

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Speaker 1: The Academy Awards kick off around eleven am Australian Eastern

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Speaker 1: Unlike most years, no movie has dominated the awards season,

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Speaker 1: Stark Karala Sophia Gascon. After Friday's heated meeting between Ukraine

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, Why has this year's Oscars been labeled

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Speaker 2: the most controversial of all time? The Oscars and controversy

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Speaker 2: Or the twenty seventeen La La Land Moonlight Best Picture

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Speaker 2: But this year's ceremony seems to have taken the Oscar

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Speaker 2: current president's depiction in film. So what's behind all this drama?

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Speaker 2: Is it a reflection of our increasingly divided society, the

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Speaker 2: Entertainment editor Tina Burke. Tina, so many controversies to get to,

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Speaker 4: Yes, so there's a kind of a lot of stuff

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Speaker 4: still an award season favorite. So, first of all, is

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Speaker 4: you don't know, it's about a cartel leader who fakes

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Speaker 4: So Carlo Sophia Gasson is the first openly trans woman

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Speaker 4: But the film still faced criticism for its portrayal of

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Speaker 4: and it also faced criticism over its portrayal of Mexican culture,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the movie feels a little bit like a fever

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Speaker 4: senior entertainment writer, Tara Watson wrote a review and the

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Speaker 4: main thing she pulled out was it it just feels soulless.

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Speaker 2: What about the main actor here, Krlo Sophia Gasconn She

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when she was nominated, it was again this

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to another big Oscar fave, The Brutalist.

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Speaker 2: There's a discussion going on in Hollywood and a much

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Speaker 4: So Adrian Brodie, as I'm sure many of you know

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Speaker 2: Don't know, Tina, can you explain to us what an

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Speaker 4: Yes. So, intimacy coordinators are people who are on sets

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Speaker 2: If that were the logic, Leonardo DiCaprio would have won

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. So there's kind of Academy voters saying I didn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think everyone's favorite quote is that Keisan Dunst

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