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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Good morning, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Quickie. I'm Claire Murphy. Women playing footy is

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Speaker 1: a relatively new thing. Traditionally, male only clubs have had

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Speaker 1: to learn how to adapt to having women in spaces

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Speaker 1: that they were previously not welcome in, and whilst some

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Speaker 1: have made that transition as best they can, others are

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Speaker 1: still not cutting it. Today we find out the lengths

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Speaker 1: a group of women have gone just to play and

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Speaker 1: the men who are doing their best to put a

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Speaker 1: stop to it. Before we get into that, though, here's

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Speaker 1: the letters from the Quikie Newsroom, Friday, February six. More

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Speaker 1: details have been released about the WA terror attack, where

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Speaker 1: a bomb was thrown into the crowd at an Invasion

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Speaker 1: day rally. WA Police Commissioner Cole Blanche said the alleged attacker,

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Speaker 1: whose name has been suppressed by the courts because of

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Speaker 1: fears for his safety and custody, were self radicalized and

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Speaker 1: acted alone. He'd allegedly accessed bomb making instructions and pro

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Speaker 1: white male material online and was accessing and participating in

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Speaker 1: the ideology. Commissioner Blanche said the attack on Aboriginal people

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Speaker 1: and other peaceful protesters was motivated by hateful racist ideology.

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Speaker 1: In the days following the incident, indigenous group's criticized authorities

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Speaker 1: for not immediately declaring it a terrorist attack and not

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Speaker 1: taking it seriously, amid cries of double standards and racism.

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Speaker 1: Mister Blanche defended the nine day delay, saying investigators needed

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Speaker 1: to gather evidence on the alleged bomber's motivation and ideology

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Speaker 1: so it could be legally proven in court. Police investigating

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Speaker 1: the disappearance of South Australian four year old Gas Lamont

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Speaker 1: says inconsistencies with a family member's story is what led

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Speaker 1: to them declaring them a suspect. Guss was last seen

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Speaker 1: by his grandmother playing on amount of dirt at a

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Speaker 1: sprawling sheep station in out back South Australia on September

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Speaker 1: twenty seven. His disappearance from Oak Park Station sparked intensive

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Speaker 1: searches spanning almost five hundred square kilometers by hundreds of

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Speaker 1: police and volunteers using aerial support and mounted units. A

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Speaker 1: review of the timelines family members advised them of at

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Speaker 1: the time of Guss's disappearance made them realize something wasn't

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Speaker 1: adding up.

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Speaker 2: We've identified a number of inconsistencies and discrepancies with that

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Speaker 2: information as it relates to timelines and the versions of

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Speaker 2: events provided to us by the family members. As a

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Speaker 2: result of these inconsistencies and investigations into them, a person

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Speaker 2: who resides at Oak Park Station has withdrawn their support

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Speaker 2: for the police and is no longer cooperating with US.

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Speaker 1: A search warrant and further forensic testing was done in

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Speaker 1: the wake of this update, Investigators seizing a vehicle, a

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Speaker 1: motorbike and electronic devices which are now being tested. Police

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Speaker 1: continued to stress that Guss's parents were not the suspects.

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Speaker 1: The Nationals have reportedly sent Opposition leader Susan Lee a

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Speaker 1: counter offer for a coalition reunion, but one MP says

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Speaker 1: it's unlikely to be accepted. A letter was sent to

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Speaker 1: Miss Lee's office last night detailing the Nationals' terms to

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Speaker 1: reunite the two parties, but one National z MP told

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Speaker 1: acceptable to the Liberals. They did not reveal what those

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Speaker 1: terms are. The MP said the move was more about

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Speaker 1: pushing back on the February nine deadline set out by

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Speaker 1: Miss Lee before she makes the Shadow Cabinet appointments required

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Speaker 1: after the National split and left them vacant permanent. They're

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Speaker 1: currently temporary, with the Liberal leader giving the Nationals until

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Speaker 1: the start of the second week of the parliamentary sitting

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Speaker 1: year to come to an agreement. An alleged ransom note

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Speaker 1: has been received by local newsrooms in Tucson regarding the

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Speaker 1: disappearance of Today's Show hosts Savannah Guthrie's mum, Nancy. The

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Speaker 1: eighty four year old was last seen on January thirty, first,

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Speaker 1: police saying they found signs of forced entry at her home,

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Speaker 1: along with other biological DNA evidence. In the days since,

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Speaker 1: reports have been shared about an alleged ransom note being

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Speaker 1: sent to media outlets, confirmed by KOLD news station, who

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Speaker 1: explained that the note detailed Nancy's disappearance and said authorities

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Speaker 1: are still looking into its legitimacy. Nancy's three children took

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Speaker 1: to Instagram to appeal for their mind the safe return

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Speaker 1: mentioning the ransom note but knowing it could also be

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Speaker 3: We too have heard the reports about a ransom letter

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Speaker 3: in the media. As a family, we are doing everything

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Speaker 3: that we can. We are ready to talk. However, we

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Speaker 3: live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated.

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Speaker 3: We need to know without a doubt that she is

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Speaker 1: So far, investigators have not been able to identify any

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Speaker 1: persons of interest or a suspect in the kidnapping. The

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Speaker 1: Commonwealth Bank is using AI to help stop domestic violence

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Speaker 1: perpetrators from using the system to continue to abuse victim survivors.

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Speaker 1: In one case, a man was sending hundreds of payments

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Speaker 1: social media and had changed addresses, but she hadn't changed

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Speaker 1: her bank account, so he sent a posits of as

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Speaker 1: little as one cent. CBA customer advocate Angela McMillan saying

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Speaker 1: At the time, CBA estimates more than eight thousand customers

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Speaker 1: had received abusive messages embedded in transactions in just three months.

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Speaker 1: Their response was to feed that data into an AI

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Speaker 1: model that learned to block certain words like swearing or

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Speaker 1: phrases that sounded coercive or threatening. The technology has now

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Speaker 1: prevented more than one million abusive messages from reaching victim

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Speaker 1: survivors since twenty twenty. That's what's happening in the world today. Next,

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Speaker 1: the fighters on not on the field, but offered for

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Speaker 1: a group of women who just want to play. Learning

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Speaker 1: about a story happening here in Australia is not something

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Speaker 1: we presume we'll come across through an American influencer, but

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened recently when women's sports enthusiast coach

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Speaker 1: Jackie posted about a little Victorian footy club.

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Speaker 4: Women's sports teams are so often kicked to the curb

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Speaker 4: because the men in charge of sports think no one's noticed,

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Speaker 4: no one's going to care, and no one's going to

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Speaker 4: speak up. But guess what I noticed. I care, and

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Speaker 4: I'm going to speak up, and now you all will too.

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Speaker 4: The Kintin women's football team literally just wants to play

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Speaker 4: and right now they can't.

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Speaker 1: Her reporting is actually really excellent. You should definitely follow her.

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Speaker 1: If for no other reason than she posts regularly this

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Speaker 1: segment you calls is she gay? Or if she just

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Speaker 1: Winter Olympian edition. It's very funny and great, But I digress.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to the Kenton Footy Club. The kit

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Speaker 1: And Women's Football Club used to have a home. They

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Speaker 1: played for the Kiton Football Netball Club, the Tigers. It's

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Speaker 1: in the Victorian Redell District League or ourdfl up until

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four when conditions there got so bad they

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Speaker 5: It was disgusting, like you'd see dirty underpants everywhere. They'd

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Speaker 5: be blood and spit all over the toilets, even during

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Speaker 5: our games. Sometimes we would be warming up to play

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Speaker 5: after the senior men and general public men would come

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Speaker 5: just nobody would stop that kind of behavior from happening.

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Speaker 5: So it was just it was just rife, a really

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Speaker 1: That's the kind women's football club the Wedgetowl Eagles president

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Speaker 1: Natalie Krinsky, Yes they have a different name now we'll

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Speaker 1: get to that in a second. But back to twenty

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Speaker 1: that became the women's players' final straw.

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Speaker 5: The club scheduled a raffle on at the same time

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Speaker 5: as our grand final game, and our grand final game

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Speaker 5: final in front of the opposition's crowd. They had a

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Speaker 5: great crowd there. That just really sent a signal to

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Speaker 5: our team and our players and our community that they

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Speaker 5: didn't care for us, they had no regard for us,

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Speaker 5: and they didn't support us. And you know, despite raising

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Speaker 5: these issues with the club over multiple times, we just

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Speaker 5: really hard in a way that it became really quite volatile.

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Speaker 1: The kind women's team are not the only ones facing

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Speaker 1: continued discrimination within their formerly male dominated clubs. ABC Sport

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Speaker 1: reporter Maney Vinyl has been covering a lot of these stories,

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Speaker 1: and she says it's still happening even at the highest

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Speaker 6: Over the course of just the ten seasons the AFLW

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Speaker 6: in terms of pay and resources, but they're still a

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Speaker 6: massive fight going on and constantly they are just coming

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Speaker 6: up against this sentiment of you should just be grateful

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Speaker 6: ten years ago that you didn't even get to do that,

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Speaker 6: and how good that you get to do that now.

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Speaker 6: And if that's happening at the top level at AFLW,

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Speaker 6: you can only imagine how bad it is in small communities.

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Speaker 1: The women have kind though, they've decided they'd had enough.

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Speaker 1: They'd reached out to the league for help and been

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Speaker 1: the Wedges, as many have taken to calling them. There

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Speaker 1: was precedent for this, there were others that had gone before.

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Speaker 5: Yes, there has been so Darrevin Falcons in Melbourne has

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Speaker 5: been one of those clubs, and also Bendigo Thunder in

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Speaker 5: Regional Victoria. The league that we're trying to go to

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Speaker 5: CVFL holds Bendigo Thunder. So we know that they do exist.

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Speaker 5: We know they flourished really well and they service a

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Speaker 5: part of the community that doesn't always feel like they

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Speaker 1: They tried to re enter the RDFL as their own club,

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Speaker 5: We went off and did a whole different thing for

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Speaker 5: a season where we joined with another team and we

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Speaker 5: we went back to that league and said, okay, we're

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Speaker 5: ready now we're going to meet the cut off dates

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Speaker 5: and we put our application in. They denied us, and

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Speaker 5: they denied us without any reason. They just said, we

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Speaker 5: so we did. We went to the Central BVIC Football

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Speaker 5: League just down the road a little further for us

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Speaker 5: to travel, but they accepted our application unanimously.

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Speaker 1: So all's well, that ends well, right wrong. Their old league,

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Speaker 1: the RDFL, was notified and they appealed that decision, which

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Speaker 1: AFL Victoria upheld. The weish Olle Eagles aren't allowed to

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Speaker 1: be involved in the appeals process, but they were told

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Speaker 1: afterwards why they were denied.

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Speaker 5: When we got the memo that said we had been rejected,

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Speaker 5: there was four main reasons on there, and basically it

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Speaker 5: was around club sustainability and a need in our region.

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Speaker 5: There was one around access to facilities and grounds, and

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Speaker 5: there was also one around junior pathways. So firstly, we

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Speaker 5: have grounds committed by our local councils, so that one

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Speaker 5: we can cross off straight away. We talk about club

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Speaker 5: sustainability and viability and a need in our area. Well,

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Speaker 5: we don't currently have a women's team in our region

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Speaker 5: within twenty five thirty minutes right and the next towndown

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Speaker 5: especially for a club like ours that isn't like a

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Speaker 5: usual traditional club, where a club that's super inclusive. We

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Speaker 1: So can you appeal the appeal? Well, the team are

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've spoken to Natalie so much over the

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Speaker 5: To the club.

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Speaker 1: AFL Victoria advised us that it wasn't intended to look

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Speaker 7: You need to look at the other side. You're advocating

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Speaker 1: But the cant Women's Football Club play. They're doing everything

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Speaker 1: They also believe they're facing some pretty intense intimidation tactics too.

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Speaker 5: We're just thirty people that want to play footy like

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