WEBVTT - Olivia Newton-John Just Gets On With It 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:04.140 It's so funny. Many of the things in my career 0:00:04.140 --> 0:00:06.310 that I was really nervous about ended up being really 0:00:06.309 --> 0:00:08.930 successful for me, because sometimes you just have to put 0:00:08.930 --> 0:00:09.420 yourself out 0:00:09.420 --> 0:00:10.470 there and take a chance 0:00:11.460 --> 0:00:14.520 from the Mother Mia podcast network. I'm Mia Freedman, and 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.919 you're listening to no philtre counted conversations that count. Seeing 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.930 someone in person that you've grown up with on the 0:00:20.930 --> 0:00:26.319 screen is really weird. It's lovely, but it's weird. When 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.390 Olivia Newton John walked out of the lift and into 0:00:29.390 --> 0:00:32.550 the Mummy office one Wednesday morning recently, 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:37.470 she was really fragile but also somehow full of energy. 0:00:37.470 --> 0:00:40.920 At the same time, she glowed as we said our 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.830 hellos and she sort of got her bearings. I watched 0:00:44.830 --> 0:00:49.320 her and I was struck by how she's really naturally curious. 0:00:49.330 --> 0:00:53.490 And she's kind of effervescent, like a Baraka, and she's 0:00:53.490 --> 0:00:56.420 deeply connected to animals. One of the first things she 0:00:56.420 --> 0:00:56.600 knows 0:00:56.615 --> 0:00:59.425 was that there was a dog bed next to someone's desk, 0:00:59.435 --> 0:01:02.465 and I saw her whole face light up as she 0:01:02.475 --> 0:01:04.725 went looking for a dog in the office and she 0:01:04.725 --> 0:01:07.044 was really crest fel. And when I had to tell 0:01:07.045 --> 0:01:09.854 her that the dogs weren't actually in the office today. 0:01:09.865 --> 0:01:14.305 She was super excited about patting something. It's hard not 0:01:14.305 --> 0:01:17.105 to found girl over Olivia Newton John. I dare you 0:01:17.105 --> 0:01:20.944 to try. It's Sandy from Grease. It's tell me more. 0:01:20.955 --> 0:01:24.115 It's summer lovin it Xanadu. It's roller skates and it's 0:01:24.115 --> 0:01:25.350 Let's get physical. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.150 I mean, it's hard to think of a more iconic 0:01:28.150 --> 0:01:31.750 Australian or one that's more beloved than Olivia Newton. John 0:01:32.410 --> 0:01:34.940 Olivia has had some incredible highs in her life and 0:01:34.940 --> 0:01:37.080 also some really crushing lows. 0:01:37.660 --> 0:01:39.830 She's had breast cancer. She was one of the first 0:01:39.830 --> 0:01:43.479 celebrities to talk openly and honestly about being diagnosed and 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.660 then treated for breast cancer. She's lost her beloved sister, Corona. 0:01:47.670 --> 0:01:52.270 Her former partner, Patrick, disappeared in mysterious circumstances that no 0:01:52.270 --> 0:01:54.370 one ever really seemed to figure out. 0:01:54.820 --> 0:01:58.050 Her God daughter died when she was just six. Olivia's 0:01:58.050 --> 0:02:04.150 been divorced, and she's experienced infertility and miscarriages, and she's 0:02:04.150 --> 0:02:08.520 also had two wonderful marriages and an extraordinary international career. 0:02:08.530 --> 0:02:11.590 A daughter who she is devoted to, and a life 0:02:11.590 --> 0:02:16.029 full of laughter and love and adventure and animals. She 0:02:16.030 --> 0:02:21.400 even tried ayahuasca, the hallucinogenic drug with her husband in Peru. 0:02:21.940 --> 0:02:25.490 Olivia is about to turn 70 and she's optimistic about 0:02:25.490 --> 0:02:29.060 the future despite the fact that her cancer has returned 0:02:29.260 --> 0:02:30.429 for the third time. 0:02:31.220 --> 0:02:35.180 Her new memoir is aptly called Don't Stop Believing, and 0:02:35.190 --> 0:02:37.800 we had a lot to talk about, including the time 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.220 that she tried a whisker. I wanted to know what 0:02:40.220 --> 0:02:44.590 that was like and her miscarriages and her cancer and 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.790 her hot husbands, one of whom lived in a teepee 0:02:47.790 --> 0:02:50.920 for a while. But first I wanted to start with 0:02:50.930 --> 0:02:52.960 all of the questions that I had and that I'm 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.210 sure you have about what else? Greece. 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:58.780 Here's Olivia Newton, John 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.880 Olivia. Tell me about your first day on the set 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.450 of Greece. It wasn't even a day of filming, was 0:03:04.450 --> 0:03:06.330 it that first day you know the first thing I 0:03:06.330 --> 0:03:07.030 said of Greece. 0:03:07.030 --> 0:03:09.060 We Alencar gave us a 0:03:09.060 --> 0:03:10.360 sock hop, so 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.690 he wanted us to get to know each other. So 0:03:12.690 --> 0:03:15.000 he played a lot of music and we danced and 0:03:15.010 --> 0:03:16.910 and kind of got to know each other was really 0:03:16.910 --> 0:03:19.870 clever idea because it got us into the idea of 0:03:19.870 --> 0:03:22.859 being a lot younger than we were. Yeah, and forming 0:03:22.860 --> 0:03:24.090 a family, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.980 and, uh, it was a really clever idea and he 0:03:26.980 --> 0:03:29.690 used a lot of that to get us energised. He 0:03:29.690 --> 0:03:31.800 would have little parties at his house and invite us, 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.380 and he kept us all very excited, which was showed 0:03:35.380 --> 0:03:36.360 in the energy of the film. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:41.970 It sure did. You talked about how it being 1978 0:03:41.970 --> 0:03:43.440 when the film was made. 0:03:43.950 --> 0:03:47.869 It was so different to the time that was portrayed 0:03:47.870 --> 0:03:49.870 in the film, which was the fifties, and how you 0:03:49.870 --> 0:03:53.730 were nervous about the clash of those two times on 0:03:53.730 --> 0:03:56.840 those two eras. What was it like then, in terms 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.910 of What did you mean? What was the sort of 0:03:58.910 --> 0:04:01.369 the feeling in the seventies that felt so different to 0:04:01.370 --> 0:04:02.119 the movie? 0:04:02.130 --> 0:04:04.910 Well, no, I don't think that I think I was 0:04:04.910 --> 0:04:08.990 more concerned about pulling off being 17 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:09.600 right 0:04:10.180 --> 0:04:13.180 than I was about the two different eras, because it 0:04:13.180 --> 0:04:15.890 was it was a movie. We were playing a different era, 0:04:15.890 --> 0:04:19.590 but the fifties had a really exciting 0:04:20.230 --> 0:04:23.599 think about them. I think the movie is almost cartoon 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.070 like in that it takes each character and makes them 0:04:27.070 --> 0:04:30.099 larger than life. Everyone was larger than life and bigger 0:04:30.100 --> 0:04:34.080 and funnier, and the costumes were bright and so I 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.960 think it was kind of a wonderful ode to the fifties, 0:04:38.370 --> 0:04:41.380 but the seventies, you know, it was a different time, 0:04:41.380 --> 0:04:43.719 but I could relate. Even though I was very young, 0:04:43.730 --> 0:04:46.539 you didn't want to be in the film. You said no, 0:04:46.550 --> 0:04:49.420 John Travolta said. He was cast and they were looking 0:04:49.420 --> 0:04:51.110 for Sandy, and he said the only one he wanted 0:04:51.110 --> 0:04:53.670 was you were the one that I want. 0:04:54.339 --> 0:04:57.310 How did he convince you? How did the director convince you? 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.490 Well, first of all, I had dinner with Alan Carr 0:04:59.490 --> 0:05:02.000 and Helen Reddy's house, and that's really how the whole 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.190 conversation began. And I had made a movie in England 0:05:05.190 --> 0:05:08.510 in the sixties called Tomorrow, which was a musical. I 0:05:08.510 --> 0:05:10.940 was in a band in in the movie, and it 0:05:10.940 --> 0:05:13.029 was a space musical. 0:05:13.310 --> 0:05:16.290 And it wasn't a big success, although it was supposed 0:05:16.290 --> 0:05:19.050 to have been because Harry Saltzman, who did the James 0:05:19.050 --> 0:05:21.570 Bond movies, and Don Kirshner, who put the monkeys together, 0:05:21.580 --> 0:05:24.620 joined up to make this brand new group. They were 0:05:24.620 --> 0:05:26.859 going to make all these movies and it didn't work. 0:05:26.870 --> 0:05:29.310 So I was very nervous about making another movie and 0:05:29.310 --> 0:05:33.100 particularly musical because my musical career was taking off my 0:05:33.100 --> 0:05:35.960 music career, not my musical career. So I had to 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.940 be convinced because I want to make another mistake. So 0:05:38.940 --> 0:05:41.529 they talked to me and I was going, I'm not sure. 0:05:41.529 --> 0:05:42.080 So 0:05:42.270 --> 0:05:43.950 they sent John to my house, 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.010 and once that beautiful man came walking up the driveway 0:05:49.010 --> 0:05:52.339 with those bright blue eyes and and said, You're the 0:05:52.350 --> 0:05:55.330 you know you're my choice And but he was very 0:05:55.330 --> 0:05:57.200 gentle and very calm, and we just spent the day 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.890 together and hang around the animals. And, uh then I said, Well, 0:06:00.890 --> 0:06:04.030 you know what? I'm a bit nervous about playing 17. 0:06:04.029 --> 0:06:05.690 I was all of 29 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.010 and when I look back now, I don't know what 0:06:08.010 --> 0:06:09.380 I was worried about. You know, it's all 0:06:09.380 --> 0:06:10.619 relative to the age 0:06:10.620 --> 0:06:12.960 you are. And I said, I think maybe if we 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.710 do a screen test and I can see 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.280 that this can work, that maybe maybe I consider it 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.659 so They put together a screen test, and that's really 0:06:20.670 --> 0:06:22.810 how it all fell into place. 0:06:22.820 --> 0:06:25.620 It was very cool headed of you, wasn't it? That 0:06:25.620 --> 0:06:29.310 showed a real pragmatism, and I want for a career 0:06:29.310 --> 0:06:30.330 with longevity 0:06:30.339 --> 0:06:31.839 and a lot of fear. I think 0:06:31.850 --> 0:06:35.589 yet and he so it's not many actresses, you know. 0:06:35.589 --> 0:06:38.320 I want to audition. Yeah, let me see. 0:06:38.330 --> 0:06:40.760 It's so funny. Many of the things in my 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.480 career that I was really nervous about ended up being 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.190 really successful for me because sometimes you just have to 0:06:46.190 --> 0:06:48.030 put yourself out there and take a chance. And 0:06:48.029 --> 0:06:49.290 so I ended up 0:06:49.290 --> 0:06:51.890 taking that chance. But it was nerve racking. 0:06:51.900 --> 0:06:54.520 So where was John and his career and where were 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.680 you in your career at that stage? 0:06:56.690 --> 0:06:58.490 I'm glad you asked that, because that's what I was 0:06:58.490 --> 0:07:00.260 merely to say to you, because when he walked up 0:07:00.260 --> 0:07:01.170 the driveway, 0:07:01.620 --> 0:07:03.529 I just knew him from Welcome back, Kotter. 0:07:03.540 --> 0:07:04.620 Yeah, 0:07:04.630 --> 0:07:06.660 which is a series on TV where he played this 0:07:06.660 --> 0:07:08.920 really cute guy and Saturday Night Fever. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.520 Not yet part 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:14.130 of the world. So we I'm really glad of that 0:07:14.140 --> 0:07:16.990 because I think I would have been too intimidated had 0:07:16.990 --> 0:07:20.220 I seen the movie or known about it beforehand as 0:07:20.220 --> 0:07:22.540 we were almost finished Greece because I remember being in 0:07:22.540 --> 0:07:26.040 my sandy to outfit in my black outfit, and John said, 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.810 we're having a screening of Saturday Night Fever. It's the 0:07:28.810 --> 0:07:31.050 uncut we haven't finished at. The music is not in. 0:07:31.540 --> 0:07:33.580 And so Dede and myself and quite a few of 0:07:33.580 --> 0:07:36.640 us went to watch it, and it was like, Oh, yeah, 0:07:36.650 --> 0:07:40.140 he's going to be, like, iconic And then I was like, 0:07:40.150 --> 0:07:43.810 I'm so glad I did this movie before I saw it. 0:07:43.820 --> 0:07:46.920 You know, my musical career was doing pretty well. I 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.530 wasn't huge, but I was doing very well 0:07:49.740 --> 0:07:53.120 and so we're kind of similar. That's what made it, 0:07:53.130 --> 0:07:54.540 I think, work out 0:07:54.550 --> 0:07:57.230 the decision to make Sandy Australia and how did that 0:07:57.230 --> 0:07:57.820 come about? 0:07:57.830 --> 0:07:59.940 Because I told them, You know, I was coming up 0:07:59.940 --> 0:08:01.790 with all the excuses in the world where I couldn't 0:08:01.790 --> 0:08:04.600 play it, and one of them was, I can't do 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:05.850 an American accent 0:08:06.170 --> 0:08:08.290 So they called me back and said, OK, we'll make 0:08:08.290 --> 0:08:08.490 you a 0:08:08.490 --> 0:08:10.369 Nazi Well, 0:08:10.380 --> 0:08:13.650 thank you, okay. And I think that worked really well 0:08:13.650 --> 0:08:15.320 for the part as well. It's made it a little 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:16.170 more interesting that 0:08:16.170 --> 0:08:17.040 fish out of water. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.760 I was probably one of the first people to have 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.520 an Australian accent. I think 0:08:21.530 --> 0:08:23.400 there's a beautiful moment in the book that you write 0:08:23.410 --> 0:08:27.490 about at the Bonfire, which is quite early in the film, 0:08:27.490 --> 0:08:29.440 and Danny and Sandy see each other again for the 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.670 first time and realise that they're at school together. 0:08:32.130 --> 0:08:34.870 Oh, that's such a beautiful moment when he first sees 0:08:34.870 --> 0:08:38.640 you and all the things written on his face. But 0:08:38.650 --> 0:08:41.309 tell me about the filming of that scene because there's 0:08:41.309 --> 0:08:43.160 a beautiful story. You tell about it in the book. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.370 Well, it was at night and it was a big scene, really, 0:08:47.370 --> 0:08:49.699 because I had to do a whole transition as well. 0:08:49.710 --> 0:08:50.720 What's 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:51.610 the transition? 0:08:51.620 --> 0:08:54.840 Well, kind of from happiness to sadness and, you know, 0:08:54.850 --> 0:08:56.910 feelings of emotion. And 0:08:57.330 --> 0:09:00.690 I was a little nervous of it. Excited. I was excited. 0:09:00.700 --> 0:09:02.160 You were nervous. 0:09:02.170 --> 0:09:05.110 And did he know I was nervous? Deedee was fabulous 0:09:05.110 --> 0:09:05.450 to me. 0:09:05.450 --> 0:09:07.850 Friendship, Friendship. You guys became friends. 0:09:07.850 --> 0:09:10.650 We're still friends. She's a wonderful girl. And she was 0:09:10.650 --> 0:09:14.960 accomplished actor. So we'd rehearsed together. Anyway. I do the 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.120 scene and I'm pulled up towards John and I do 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:19.059 my thing. 0:09:20.970 --> 0:09:21.679 Tell me, 0:09:21.690 --> 0:09:22.760 what are you doing 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:24.110 here? I 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:24.890 thought you were going back to 0:09:24.890 --> 0:09:27.439 Australia. We have a change of plan. 0:09:27.809 --> 0:09:28.559 Keep. 0:09:30.990 --> 0:09:33.160 Well, that's cool. baby. You 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:33.989 know how it is 0:09:33.990 --> 0:09:35.490 Rocking and rode in. What? 0:09:35.490 --> 0:09:36.850 Not Danny, 0:09:36.900 --> 0:09:39.720 That's my name. Don't wear it out. And he just 0:09:39.730 --> 0:09:42.100 waved his hands like this. It was my close up, 0:09:42.110 --> 0:09:43.570 and he waved his hands in front of the camera, 0:09:43.570 --> 0:09:47.980 walked up to me and whispered to me, I think 0:09:47.980 --> 0:09:50.670 he can do it better. So he messed up to 0:09:50.670 --> 0:09:52.990 take on purpose because he thought I could do it better. 0:09:53.030 --> 0:09:55.460 So that was really generous of him. And I've always 0:09:55.470 --> 0:09:57.810 been grateful for that because it was, you know, he 0:09:57.809 --> 0:09:58.530 was helping me, 0:09:59.500 --> 0:10:01.690 did. He has been quoted as saying that there was 0:10:01.690 --> 0:10:03.510 a lot of hormones and a lot of chemistry on 0:10:03.510 --> 0:10:06.850 the set and that she said, um, the trailers were 0:10:06.850 --> 0:10:08.559 rocking and rolling between 0:10:08.570 --> 0:10:09.960 Doesn't mine, 0:10:09.970 --> 0:10:10.440 may I 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.420 specify? But yeah, there was some of that going on, 0:10:14.030 --> 0:10:18.309 and you tell a story about Nikki, who met your 0:10:18.309 --> 0:10:20.830 sister when she came. Your sister, Rohner, who came to 0:10:20.830 --> 0:10:23.200 visit on the set and they got married. 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.990 They got married. They fell madly in love and got married. 0:10:26.990 --> 0:10:29.709 So my brother in law was good, Nicky, for many 0:10:29.710 --> 0:10:31.490 years. Was that weird? 0:10:31.500 --> 0:10:34.280 I'm not at the time, he was a character. He 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.120 was a he was quite a character, but he he 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.209 was a sweet guy, and unfortunately, we lost him about 0:10:40.210 --> 0:10:43.610 a year before my sister passed. So they're both gone now. But, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.199 yeah, there was some pretty well days there. My brother 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:46.600 in law. 0:10:46.610 --> 0:10:49.109 I wanted to ask you about that final scene, and 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.800 it's funny. It's funny watching it through. You know, I've 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.050 watched it obviously 100 times when I was growing up 0:10:55.059 --> 0:10:57.750 and then with my kids and watching it through the 0:10:57.750 --> 0:11:01.000 lens of political correctness today and you go over there 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.990 was bullying and there was smoking. And there was all 0:11:03.990 --> 0:11:07.200 these different things real sexual harassment and all of these things, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.490 which is exactly real life. Um, 0:11:10.059 --> 0:11:10.520 how 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.580 did that come about? That idea of that transformation in 0:11:13.580 --> 0:11:16.920 the end and to what you call Sandy to 0:11:16.929 --> 0:11:20.030 the idea was, you know, people have criticised said Well, 0:11:20.030 --> 0:11:23.410 she changed for him and she becomes this and it's 0:11:23.410 --> 0:11:26.830 a movie, and also he changed for her. So he 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.349 let it in sport and wore a Letterman jacket which 0:11:29.350 --> 0:11:31.950 was totally against all his friends and everything that he 0:11:31.950 --> 0:11:34.620 was doing, and she changed for him. 0:11:34.770 --> 0:11:37.239 And then they came together. It was very sweet, actually. 0:11:37.250 --> 0:11:39.710 What was it like filming on those? I imagine it 0:11:39.710 --> 0:11:40.770 went over a few days as 0:11:40.770 --> 0:11:43.840 well. That was That was a lot of fun. Tell 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:44.350 me about those 0:11:44.350 --> 0:11:46.740 hands. Tell me about the pants. 0:11:47.460 --> 0:11:50.500 Well, at the time, we're now in the seventies. Those 0:11:50.500 --> 0:11:53.439 pants are from the fifties. So they were in wardrobe 0:11:53.450 --> 0:11:55.970 and they brought out a whole bunch of clothes and 0:11:55.970 --> 0:11:57.569 things for me to try on. But they just had 0:11:57.570 --> 0:12:01.429 that beautiful. You know, uh, they were sharkskin. Not real shark, 0:12:01.429 --> 0:12:04.280 of course, but they called us skin and very thick, 0:12:04.290 --> 0:12:08.179 powerful material. But the zip was broken, as you probably know, 0:12:08.190 --> 0:12:12.020 and they didn't wanna risk ruining the whole pants by 0:12:12.020 --> 0:12:14.940 replacing the zip. So it was decided they'd stitch me in, 0:12:15.390 --> 0:12:19.340 so that made it a very interesting What 0:12:19.340 --> 0:12:20.200 about the toilet? 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:20.660 I would be 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.410 nervous ways. 0:12:22.420 --> 0:12:25.080 No, I had to be unstitched, so I couldn't drink 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.730 a lot. So probably wasn't the best health thing for me, 0:12:28.730 --> 0:12:30.310 But it was only for a few days 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:31.360 and did it 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.689 makes a good story now. 0:12:33.700 --> 0:12:37.329 Did you see the difference in the way the sort 0:12:37.330 --> 0:12:39.390 of the cast and crew looked at you. 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.770 Oh, absolutely. Because, you know, for like, two months, I'd 0:12:41.770 --> 0:12:44.760 been sandy wine and my cute little outfits and, 0:12:45.220 --> 0:12:49.819 you know, and then the night before, we were filming, uh, 0:12:49.830 --> 0:12:53.079 the hair and makeup and Albert Wolski, who was the costumer. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.420 We tried on all these outfits and John was filming. Um, 0:12:56.429 --> 0:12:59.510 he was singing Sandy at the drive in, and I 0:12:59.510 --> 0:13:02.160 was there with makeup and hair, and I walked out 0:13:02.170 --> 0:13:05.360 just as he was finishing. He stopped singing, stood up 0:13:05.370 --> 0:13:08.580 and everyone just turned around. It was like 0:13:09.170 --> 0:13:12.150 and I went What I've been doing wrong all these months, 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:17.500 It was very powerful moment for me. He was like, Goodness, 0:13:17.510 --> 0:13:21.790 clothing can make this difference. It's really incredible perceptions people 0:13:21.790 --> 0:13:24.140 have of you because of the way you're dressed. 0:13:24.690 --> 0:13:26.660 Yeah, it happened to me in another movie I made 0:13:26.670 --> 0:13:29.970 called sordid lives where I played a lesbian country and 0:13:29.970 --> 0:13:32.679 Western singer. And I had tattoos and I cut my 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.250 hair really short, and I will really daddy clothes and 0:13:35.260 --> 0:13:39.840 horrible outfits. And I remember going home dressed like that 0:13:39.850 --> 0:13:43.220 once I went into my local chemist to buy something 0:13:43.230 --> 0:13:44.329 and a woman. 0:13:44.540 --> 0:13:46.270 We're standing with a little girl and she pulled a 0:13:46.270 --> 0:13:48.610 little girl into her like I was a threat. It 0:13:48.610 --> 0:13:51.420 was hilarious and always remember that. And I thought, You know, 0:13:51.420 --> 0:13:53.730 you can't judge a book by its cover and remember 0:13:53.730 --> 0:13:56.729 that for myself from that time on, very often those 0:13:56.730 --> 0:13:59.429 big guys that look so beef there, the softest, sweetest 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.580 people in the world You know what 0:14:01.580 --> 0:14:01.700 was 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.459 like in that time afterwards? I mean, I know that 0:14:04.460 --> 0:14:10.480 now there's the expression shipping, which is relation shipping when fans, um, 0:14:10.490 --> 0:14:15.560 try to project relationships that don't exist. And everyone wanted 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.590 you and John Travolta to date, But you never did. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.920 Why why did you never I'm still shipping you 40 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:23.560 years later, 0:14:23.570 --> 0:14:27.540 shipping. I've never heard that funny. We were both with 0:14:27.540 --> 0:14:29.350 other people when we were filming, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.890 and I think respectfully, we just didn't happen. And I 0:14:32.890 --> 0:14:33.510 think 0:14:34.030 --> 0:14:35.880 I think it was good because I think it kept 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.150 the tension there in the chemistry. It might have been 0:14:39.150 --> 0:14:41.440 a really disaster had we decided to date or we 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.970 had falling out or something. So I think it was 0:14:43.970 --> 0:14:44.520 just 0:14:44.930 --> 0:14:47.970 just as well. It didn't happen. But we're still great friends, 0:14:47.980 --> 0:14:50.420 and not everyone stays friends with the people. They make 0:14:50.420 --> 0:14:53.870 films we've heard it explained that it's quite a almost 0:14:53.870 --> 0:14:56.980 like a summer camp vibe or a holiday romance, and 0:14:56.980 --> 0:14:59.850 then you move on with your lives. But you stayed 0:14:59.850 --> 0:15:03.170 friends with Dede and with John, that friendship seems to 0:15:03.170 --> 0:15:04.090 be really 0:15:04.100 --> 0:15:07.640 still very simple. And Randal Kleiser, the director. In fact, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.990 I just had dinner with him the other day, so 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.450 it's taken us 40 years to have dinner, he said. 0:15:12.460 --> 0:15:13.460 We did it, 0:15:13.740 --> 0:15:17.240 Um, but yeah, I mean those times in your lives 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.220 that are really special. It's lovely to keep contact. I 0:15:20.220 --> 0:15:23.510 have friends from childhood and, you know, friends from all 0:15:23.510 --> 0:15:24.500 my life. 0:15:24.510 --> 0:15:28.910 Xanadu was an incredible film. I love. She loved Greece. 0:15:28.910 --> 0:15:31.360 Oh my God. My family went on a long trip 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.780 around Australia for six weeks, and the only tape that 0:15:33.780 --> 0:15:38.530 we had was so my whole family knows every lyric 0:15:38.540 --> 0:15:39.680 as we drove through the 0:15:39.695 --> 0:15:43.815 yeah back. I've got such strong memories. That film was crazy, 0:15:43.825 --> 0:15:45.635 like when you looked at when you look at it 0:15:45.635 --> 0:15:47.865 on paper and you go you know, it's roller skating 0:15:47.865 --> 0:15:50.385 and it's fantasy, and it's Gene Kelly is in it. 0:15:50.385 --> 0:15:52.915 And how did you say yes to that? How did 0:15:52.915 --> 0:15:54.935 you decide to do that film? 0:15:55.510 --> 0:15:59.430 Well, I've been looking for something, and, um, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.900 this one had. I liked the idea of the muse, 0:16:02.900 --> 0:16:05.830 and I like the idea of L. O and John 0:16:05.830 --> 0:16:10.570 Farah writing the music. So the script was never really finished, 0:16:11.610 --> 0:16:14.890 and it was kind of written as we went along, 0:16:14.900 --> 0:16:17.830 which is, I think, the one fall. That's where it 0:16:17.830 --> 0:16:20.770 fell down somehow. But I think the music and the 0:16:20.770 --> 0:16:24.720 dancing was years beyond ahead of its time. Kenny Ortega, 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.000 who was the choreographer who was Michael Jackson's choreographer, and 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.350 I worked with him for many years, but he's incredibly 0:16:30.350 --> 0:16:33.640 brilliant and famous choreographer, but he was kind of starting 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:34.140 out then, 0:16:34.660 --> 0:16:36.870 and he brought on all these street dancers and people 0:16:36.870 --> 0:16:40.030 doing all the things they're doing now. He had them 0:16:40.030 --> 0:16:42.280 doing 30 years ago, whatever 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.150 it was. And roller skates, 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.140 roller skates. Yeah, I had to learn that. That was 0:16:47.770 --> 0:16:50.790 That was not one of my more pleasurable memories, because 0:16:50.790 --> 0:16:55.240 I broke my tailbone right when we were filming? Um, yes. 0:16:55.250 --> 0:16:57.590 And I had to And I'm one of those as 0:16:57.590 --> 0:16:59.860 I talk in the book a lot about the show 0:16:59.860 --> 0:17:03.170 must go on and continue, no matter what. So I 0:17:03.170 --> 0:17:05.530 was sitting on a nice doughnut a lot 0:17:05.780 --> 0:17:06.410 like 0:17:06.420 --> 0:17:07.970 20 takes. Oh, yeah, 0:17:07.980 --> 0:17:09.180 Get a bit further back was 0:17:09.180 --> 0:17:11.030 excruciating. Yeah. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.810 You met your first husband, Matt Lattanzi, on the set. 0:17:14.820 --> 0:17:17.500 He was a younger man. Yes, he was 20 when 0:17:17.500 --> 0:17:20.919 you met? Yes. Was that a big deal back then? 0:17:20.930 --> 0:17:23.640 Um, I think it probably was more of a big 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.830 deal then That it is now. Yeah, we kept it 0:17:26.830 --> 0:17:30.090 quiet until the movie was done because we wanted privacy. 0:17:30.090 --> 0:17:33.080 I'm always, always trying to have my privacy, but he 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.330 was a breath of fresh air. He was just very sweet, 0:17:35.340 --> 0:17:35.750 and 0:17:35.900 --> 0:17:38.480 he wasn't sure Beers and he was in Hollywood and 0:17:38.490 --> 0:17:42.100 we'd go camping and fishing and walking. And it was 0:17:42.100 --> 0:17:45.010 just about the outdoors and natural life in a big family. 0:17:45.010 --> 0:17:45.580 So 0:17:46.100 --> 0:17:48.270 I forgot. I think I was just immature was probably 0:17:48.270 --> 0:17:49.450 his age. Really. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.190 It must have been important to have someone who wasn't 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.210 swayed by the fame and the bright lights 0:17:57.730 --> 0:17:58.990 and kept you grounded. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.510 Yeah, we had. We had fun together and a beautiful child. 0:18:02.510 --> 0:18:06.090 Which was that was the gift from that relationship. A 0:18:06.100 --> 0:18:09.400 good dad for your, for your daughter. It's funny through 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:13.230 the book, both of your husbands, apart from being ridiculously 0:18:13.230 --> 0:18:16.850 good looking very grounded in nature 0:18:16.859 --> 0:18:17.859 you very much 0:18:17.869 --> 0:18:21.659 for time. I remember reading. Was Matt living in a teepee? 0:18:21.670 --> 0:18:22.810 Yeah, he was on T. P. 0:18:22.810 --> 0:18:25.750 Yeah, he's very into nature. 0:18:26.150 --> 0:18:29.380 And something I didn't know about you is about miscarriages. 0:18:29.390 --> 0:18:31.450 You know, I think it's funny. Every woman has a 0:18:31.450 --> 0:18:34.770 gynaecological history, but back then, that was not something that 0:18:34.770 --> 0:18:39.830 anybody spoke about. Um, really know. So how did you 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:40.900 get through that? 0:18:40.910 --> 0:18:43.480 Yeah, well, I I got pregnant pretty soon after we 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.590 got married, because that time was ahead racing ahead. And 0:18:46.590 --> 0:18:49.609 I was 37 when I had Chloe. So, you know, 0:18:49.609 --> 0:18:51.350 I lost a few after her, and, 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.570 you know, it's like anything you you grieve. It's a loss. 0:18:55.580 --> 0:19:01.570 It's a death. Um, yeah. It's like many women go 0:19:01.570 --> 0:19:03.930 through it, and I think nature has a purpose for it. 0:19:03.940 --> 0:19:07.350 Usually there's something wrong and nature knows, and I think 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.859 if you can come to terms with that. And you 0:19:09.859 --> 0:19:11.389 just have to be grateful. Really? 0:19:12.010 --> 0:19:15.580 The day that you gave birth, Khloe came early. Yeah, 0:19:15.590 --> 0:19:16.919 it wasn't part of the plan. 0:19:16.930 --> 0:19:17.720 You talk 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:19.970 about how calm you were. And then you went to 0:19:19.970 --> 0:19:22.690 the hospital and epidural went wrong. 0:19:22.700 --> 0:19:25.410 Well, I I was It didn't. It's not a natural 0:19:25.410 --> 0:19:30.230 thing to do. And anything to do with anaesthesia is dangerous. 0:19:30.230 --> 0:19:33.200 And in the spine. To me, it was horror was 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.290 kind of I really didn't want it. But in the end, 0:19:36.290 --> 0:19:38.800 I had to have it, Um, 0:19:39.210 --> 0:19:42.300 and it went wrong. And maybe maybe it was my fault. 0:19:42.300 --> 0:19:45.359 Maybe I projected it. I don't know that. You know, 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.330 sometimes the very things you're afraid of you can make 0:19:47.330 --> 0:19:50.380 them happen to. So I suffered with that for, like, 0:19:50.380 --> 0:19:52.580 seven years afterwards. Because 0:19:52.580 --> 0:19:54.409 your spinal cord Yeah, 0:19:54.420 --> 0:19:57.889 Yeah, he punctured my spinal cord. So he did something wrong. 0:19:58.500 --> 0:20:02.110 And, uh, anyway, I'm here. I'm fine. And I'm sure 0:20:02.109 --> 0:20:04.500 they're much better at it now than back then. 0:20:04.510 --> 0:20:08.619 You had some beautiful years with Chloe, and your best 0:20:08.619 --> 0:20:11.380 friend had a daughter at the same time. Nazi. She 0:20:11.380 --> 0:20:14.560 had a little girl called college. Who is your God daughter? 0:20:14.570 --> 0:20:17.990 And there are a few years in your I think, 0:20:17.990 --> 0:20:19.150 mid forties that were 0:20:19.150 --> 0:20:20.030 just 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.330 one blow after another. And you you write about them 0:20:23.330 --> 0:20:26.629 really movingly in the book collect got cancer. She got 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:27.980 to her and her kidneys, and 0:20:28.380 --> 0:20:34.450 she ended up not surviving. And your father passed away. 0:20:34.460 --> 0:20:37.410 And then you discovered that you had breast cancer. 0:20:39.609 --> 0:20:41.700 How did you get through those years? 0:20:41.710 --> 0:20:44.990 Well, you know, you have to. And I think when 0:20:44.990 --> 0:20:49.100 you're faced with those things, most people pull their socks 0:20:49.100 --> 0:20:52.420 up and you have to have a young child. I 0:20:52.420 --> 0:20:56.290 had much to live for. Uh, couldn't say I complain 0:20:56.290 --> 0:20:59.429 about my life, but I think nobody escapes without something 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.450 in their life. Just for me. It all happened. A 0:21:02.450 --> 0:21:04.889 lot of things happen together, but that also seems to 0:21:04.890 --> 0:21:07.700 happen a lot that things come in threes for me. 0:21:07.700 --> 0:21:08.550 They come in threes, 0:21:09.020 --> 0:21:13.160 Um, and you just plot on, you know, and I've 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.120 always been pretty positive person and believed that either is 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.140 for a reason or 0:21:18.950 --> 0:21:21.300 whatever, and I think it was for a reason Had 0:21:21.300 --> 0:21:24.510 I not gone through that experience, I probably never would 0:21:24.510 --> 0:21:26.420 have got involved in a cancer on a centre like 0:21:26.420 --> 0:21:28.850 I did, because it wouldn't have had the same meaning 0:21:28.850 --> 0:21:32.859 to me. So it gave me a purpose. And, um, 0:21:32.869 --> 0:21:36.070 you know, losing a parent. Everyone goes through losing a parent. 0:21:36.070 --> 0:21:38.800 We're all going to die at some point. So there's, 0:21:38.810 --> 0:21:41.090 you know, there's a lot of coming to terms with 0:21:41.090 --> 0:21:43.260 a lot of things from that experience. 0:21:43.270 --> 0:21:44.370 And then your marriage broke 0:21:44.369 --> 0:21:45.090 down 0:21:45.100 --> 0:21:47.930 and you write about how 0:21:48.130 --> 0:21:50.460 you think if it hadn't been for the breast cancer, 0:21:50.460 --> 0:21:52.900 probably it would have ended a bit earlier. But he 0:21:52.900 --> 0:21:56.090 seems like a very loyal and he was committed and 0:21:56.090 --> 0:21:58.400 you guys got through it what struck me as well 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.679 as the way you talk about your divorce in your 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:03.960 separation and the way you were both. How did you 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:05.040 How did you handle that? 0:22:05.050 --> 0:22:07.740 Well, we had made because I was older. 0:22:08.460 --> 0:22:10.820 I think I always had a maybe a slight knowing 0:22:10.820 --> 0:22:13.429 that may not last forever because he was going to 0:22:13.430 --> 0:22:16.270 get to his manhood and, you know, it's kind of 0:22:16.270 --> 0:22:18.929 normal that he might want to explore life or it 0:22:18.930 --> 0:22:21.400 may not work. I didn't want that to happen. But 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.020 I think in the back of my mind, maybe there 0:22:23.020 --> 0:22:27.250 was a knowingness. So we made a promise to each 0:22:27.250 --> 0:22:31.790 other that if anything happened between us that we wouldn't 0:22:31.790 --> 0:22:33.419 let our door to become the 0:22:33.690 --> 0:22:35.890 the tool in the middle of our divorce, like we'd 0:22:35.890 --> 0:22:40.710 watched other people use their kids as the bartering tool 0:22:40.710 --> 0:22:43.570 and make the kids suffer. So we said no. Whatever happens, 0:22:43.580 --> 0:22:46.030 she has access to you as much as she wants, 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.740 and we'll try and be civil with each other because 0:22:49.750 --> 0:22:51.619 it's not fair on the kids. I've been through divorce. 0:22:51.619 --> 0:22:55.070 He hadn't. My parents were divorced, and I really you know, 0:22:55.070 --> 0:22:56.520 sometimes that's another thing. 0:22:56.770 --> 0:22:59.189 Our divorce was around the same time as my parents divorced. 0:22:59.190 --> 0:23:03.700 So sometimes you unknowingly repeat patterns in your family. Do 0:23:03.700 --> 0:23:06.060 you mean your clothes around the same age that you 0:23:06.060 --> 0:23:07.859 have been when your parents were divorced? 0:23:07.869 --> 0:23:08.879 That's so true 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.619 about repeating patterns, and you did do it very differently. 0:23:12.630 --> 0:23:13.889 I did it differently, 0:23:13.900 --> 0:23:17.379 and you sat down with you, said a female judge 0:23:17.390 --> 0:23:21.420 in your home and sorted through it yes, very quietly 0:23:21.420 --> 0:23:23.440 without drama, without 0:23:23.450 --> 0:23:26.190 the kitchen table. Basically, yeah, 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:31.109 and before uh, you lost your God daughter. You had 0:23:31.109 --> 0:23:34.330 planned to adopt. Yes, you and Matt tell me about 0:23:34.330 --> 0:23:37.790 that We planned to adopt and I had gone to 0:23:37.790 --> 0:23:40.340 Rome to do a television show called That was really ill. 0:23:40.350 --> 0:23:43.050 And I hadn't with me a suitcase. I was going 0:23:43.050 --> 0:23:45.240 to go to Romania because I had met this woman 0:23:45.250 --> 0:23:48.250 who had adopted a child from Romania. And there was 0:23:48.250 --> 0:23:50.680 a lot of Children at that time in orphanages was 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.720 very on the news in America. And I thought, There's 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:55.250 some child out there, needs a home 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.350 And I wanted to have a sibling and I wasn't 0:23:59.350 --> 0:24:00.949 going to be able to have any more Children. 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:06.430 And then when I was in Spain, I got the word, uh, 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.550 sad music collected past, and I just went home. So 0:24:09.550 --> 0:24:11.920 that whole idea went out the window and there's no 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.340 way I was going to replace that. It wasn't the 0:24:14.340 --> 0:24:17.070 time to adopt a child. And we're grieving like that. 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:20.250 I think every woman comes to a time when she 0:24:20.250 --> 0:24:22.260 has to accept that her years of being a mother 0:24:22.260 --> 0:24:24.370 to a young child or a baby behind her 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.700 yours was obviously made even more complicated by losing Colette. 0:24:28.710 --> 0:24:31.750 How did you sort of process that over time 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.480 you just do you know there's no there's no set 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:39.140 rules or ways you just you just get on with 0:24:39.140 --> 0:24:42.939 it and work through it and, uh, got Chloe as 0:24:42.940 --> 0:24:45.429 much help as I could because she was very, very young. 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.190 But I know it had an impact on her like 0:24:48.190 --> 0:24:50.760 it did on all of us. And I think maybe 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:51.430 we didn't 0:24:51.780 --> 0:24:54.129 realised how much of an impact it had on her 0:24:54.130 --> 0:24:57.040 at the time because we're on so much grief and 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:58.770 then Nancy, I mean, I don't think I mentioned that 0:24:58.780 --> 0:25:01.429 she lost her brother soon after that and there were 0:25:01.430 --> 0:25:06.940 so many things happening. It was almost overwhelmed. But luckily 0:25:06.940 --> 0:25:08.419 I had my work and I had my animals, and 0:25:08.420 --> 0:25:10.550 I had my daughter and my husband and I had 0:25:10.550 --> 0:25:13.310 a fantastic life, so I had things to focus on 0:25:13.310 --> 0:25:17.410 that were positive when we started Sorry, and we started 0:25:17.410 --> 0:25:20.700 the Children's Health Environmental Coalition in her memory. 0:25:21.010 --> 0:25:23.960 I started that with Nancy and Jim to help educate 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:28.320 parents to the importance of toxic free homes, and they 0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:30.290 were the first people to really do that and you 0:25:30.290 --> 0:25:34.550 know the toxicity, causing cancer and childhood illnesses and things. 0:25:34.550 --> 0:25:37.370 So it was important. So we made something positive out 0:25:37.369 --> 0:25:38.820 of something really negative 0:25:46.180 --> 0:25:49.970 when you were diagnosed with breast cancer. I don't remember 0:25:49.980 --> 0:25:53.409 a celebrity ever coming out and talking about having breast 0:25:53.410 --> 0:25:55.600 cancer before. I feel like you were the first 0:25:56.390 --> 0:25:56.840 before 0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.600 it went public. What was that? Actual day like that? 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:03.220 You discovered the lump because you said you discovered lumps before. 0:26:03.230 --> 0:26:05.879 I just remember that I found alarming. It didn't feel right. 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:07.909 It was a little tender. Even though they tell you 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:08.740 what did it feel? 0:26:08.740 --> 0:26:11.869 Usually it's not sensitive, but to me it was. What 0:26:11.869 --> 0:26:12.330 does it feel 0:26:12.330 --> 0:26:13.930 like? They say It feels like a P. 0:26:13.940 --> 0:26:16.690 Yeah, well, it's probably a little was probably a little 0:26:16.690 --> 0:26:18.530 bigger than a pea, but it was like a P. 0:26:18.530 --> 0:26:20.780 You're like a little hard lump in there. 0:26:21.060 --> 0:26:24.060 In fact, I, because they have experienced I got involved 0:26:24.060 --> 0:26:25.920 with something called the Live Kit. Is it live kid 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.900 in Australia? I think it is, and it's a self 0:26:28.910 --> 0:26:32.320 breast examination tool that helps you decipher lumps in your 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.460 body more easily in your breast more easily. It makes 0:26:34.460 --> 0:26:36.770 them feel bigger. So anyway, because I want women to 0:26:36.770 --> 0:26:38.780 self examine and not to rely on the doctor every 0:26:38.780 --> 0:26:40.750 six months because he doesn't know your body, You know, 0:26:40.750 --> 0:26:41.310 your body 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.070 and you're doing a self examination that? 0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:46.070 Yeah. So I found it and, um, 0:26:46.619 --> 0:26:49.870 went to the doctor and he did a He sent 0:26:49.869 --> 0:26:52.659 me down for a mammogram which didn't show anything. And 0:26:52.660 --> 0:26:56.420 then a needle biopsy, which didn't show anything. So he 0:26:56.430 --> 0:26:59.120 I said, there's something I just knew there was something wrong. 0:26:59.119 --> 0:26:59.699 So he didn't 0:26:59.700 --> 0:27:01.450 make it because I didn't 0:27:01.450 --> 0:27:05.270 feel right. And I think you have to trust that 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:06.810 I was really tired. 0:27:07.910 --> 0:27:10.980 I was just, you know, you just know. I don't 0:27:10.980 --> 0:27:13.510 know how. He explained, you have an instinct about your body, 0:27:13.510 --> 0:27:15.880 and you need to listen to it. So 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:16.990 you asked for more tests? 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.669 Yeah. So he did a surgical biopsy that day, and 0:27:19.670 --> 0:27:22.010 then I had to leave because my father was dying 0:27:22.010 --> 0:27:23.370 and I had to leave to go see him. And 0:27:23.369 --> 0:27:26.390 I still had just had the surgery, Didn't tell him. 0:27:26.910 --> 0:27:29.490 So it was all, you know, again, all these things 0:27:29.490 --> 0:27:30.820 come filing on top of each other. 0:27:31.810 --> 0:27:35.210 And then what was the period between you finding out 0:27:35.220 --> 0:27:38.730 and realising that you had to announce it publicly? 0:27:39.270 --> 0:27:43.340 Well, the reason I announced it publicly is because one 0:27:43.340 --> 0:27:47.290 of those, you know, national inquiry type of magazines had 0:27:47.290 --> 0:27:50.040 got wind of it. I think someone at the imaging 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.040 place had contacted them and they were going to write 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.510 a story, Uh, that I was dying, you know, kind 0:27:56.510 --> 0:28:00.200 of similar to what's happening now. So, um, I decided 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:03.090 to do an article and talk about it because I 0:28:03.090 --> 0:28:04.430 didn't want my family, 0:28:04.820 --> 0:28:08.270 um, reading about it before I had a chance to 0:28:08.270 --> 0:28:11.260 tell them what was going on. So we decided to Yes, 0:28:11.260 --> 0:28:13.960 just make a clean breast of it, excuse the pun 0:28:13.970 --> 0:28:16.960 and discuss it and tell me what was going on 0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:21.420 so that there'd be no secrets or, you know, that's 0:28:21.420 --> 0:28:22.640 really how that happened. 0:28:23.310 --> 0:28:26.020 So it was not your timetable it was, for it 0:28:26.020 --> 0:28:27.730 was almost forced upon. I 0:28:27.740 --> 0:28:30.290 hadn't planned on it, but I'm actually grateful that happened 0:28:30.300 --> 0:28:34.070 because it gave me an opportunity to talk about something 0:28:34.070 --> 0:28:36.430 that was a little taboo. It was taboo to me. 0:28:36.430 --> 0:28:39.610 I mean, to think about going on television and talking 0:28:39.610 --> 0:28:41.920 about my breasts and lumps, and in the beginning it 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:43.080 was really awkward. 0:28:43.270 --> 0:28:45.340 You know, time has gone on now. So many years 0:28:45.340 --> 0:28:47.390 have gone by that now it's quite normal. 0:28:47.390 --> 0:28:48.280 You have friends 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.510 and walks, but at the time I was one of 0:28:50.510 --> 0:28:53.239 the first. I think there was another girl in show business, Jill, 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.800 someone who'd gone through it before. But I was probably 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:56.469 the first. 0:28:57.090 --> 0:28:59.720 You come out of it internationally, I think. 0:28:59.730 --> 0:29:04.410 And what's it like? I mean, you've got these two tracks. Obviously, 0:29:04.410 --> 0:29:07.750 you've got your own feelings about it and then having 0:29:07.750 --> 0:29:10.300 to deal with everyone else's feelings about it. And I 0:29:10.300 --> 0:29:14.160 see this in many people I know who have cancer, 0:29:15.050 --> 0:29:17.820 and other people's feelings can be a burden. I can't 0:29:17.820 --> 0:29:22.560 imagine what laying fame over all of that is also like, 0:29:22.570 --> 0:29:25.040 How do you deal with those two different tracks? 0:29:25.050 --> 0:29:28.020 Well, what I did and I recommend this to all 0:29:28.020 --> 0:29:28.510 women 0:29:29.060 --> 0:29:32.160 or men who are listening, who have an illness, whether 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:35.170 it be breast cancer or whatever it is, find somebody 0:29:35.170 --> 0:29:37.500 else to do the talking to your friends, because what 0:29:37.500 --> 0:29:40.650 I found was I'd go to tell a friend and 0:29:40.650 --> 0:29:43.000 they burst into tears and you go, Oh, no, I 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:47.990 don't need that. I need support. So I engaged a 0:29:47.990 --> 0:29:52.030 couple of girlfriends, um, to speak to my friends and 0:29:52.030 --> 0:29:53.980 be the layers of what was going on So I 0:29:53.980 --> 0:29:55.190 could just live my life 0:29:55.340 --> 0:29:59.130 and dedicate that time to meditation or doing a yoga 0:29:59.130 --> 0:30:01.219 class or going for a walk or being in nature, 0:30:01.220 --> 0:30:03.300 which is my favourite thing or being with my animals. 0:30:03.310 --> 0:30:06.530 So I didn't have to perpetually be talking about a 0:30:06.530 --> 0:30:10.130 myself and be my illness. And I think it's not healthy. 0:30:10.140 --> 0:30:13.550 It just keeps you in that sick mode, you know, 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:18.570 and then the fame side with with strangers wanting to 0:30:18.570 --> 0:30:20.010 talk to you about it. What was that 0:30:20.010 --> 0:30:26.900 like? Well, most of those people are really positive and, uh, sensitive. 0:30:26.900 --> 0:30:28.260 There are people now again who, 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.150 and I don't think it's deliberate, but they want to 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.600 quote you facts about how many people have died of this. 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:36.850 And when I know that's helpful, I really wanna or 0:30:36.850 --> 0:30:39.050 do they say I've got this treatment. If you just 0:30:39.050 --> 0:30:42.050 rub tumeric on your pulse points 0:30:42.060 --> 0:30:44.230 and all those things I listened to because I believe 0:30:44.230 --> 0:30:47.750 in natural therapies. And that's what I'm doing now, back then, 0:30:47.750 --> 0:30:52.060 I did chemotherapy and, um, didn't again. Didn't want to, 0:30:52.060 --> 0:30:55.030 but I did it. Um, But 0:30:55.540 --> 0:30:57.680 you almost like yourself out of it, didn't you? 0:30:57.690 --> 0:30:59.730 Yeah. Yeah, I was again. Afraid. 0:30:59.730 --> 0:31:00.690 What were you so scared 0:31:00.690 --> 0:31:02.840 of? I thought that they put the needle in. I 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.040 was going to die. That was just my vision. I'm 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:05.430 going to be the 0:31:05.430 --> 0:31:08.910 first person who is meant to work the other way. 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:12.010 Anyway, that was my I don't like 0:31:12.810 --> 0:31:16.230 medicine. I don't like those things. So they just kind 0:31:16.230 --> 0:31:18.770 of freaked me out. My mother never took an aspirin, 0:31:18.770 --> 0:31:20.280 and she was that kind of person. So I grew 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.650 up in that kind of natural household. 0:31:23.460 --> 0:31:27.940 So you had a mastectomy and chemo the first time, 0:31:27.950 --> 0:31:30.210 and you write about how there were people outside your 0:31:30.210 --> 0:31:32.520 house shouting at you to try meditation. 0:31:32.530 --> 0:31:34.520 Yes. Actually, that was a good idea. I did 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:35.520 it, 0:31:36.410 --> 0:31:41.360 uh, possess someone to come and shout about what treatment 0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:42.260 someone else should have. 0:31:42.270 --> 0:31:45.140 It's funny, isn't remember this guy pulling up in my 0:31:45.150 --> 0:31:46.250 at my gate 0:31:47.060 --> 0:31:50.440 in I think a limo and opening the limo and 0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.550 ringing the bell. And I had security at that time 0:31:52.550 --> 0:31:54.460 because it was my Britney Day, as I call it, 0:31:54.470 --> 0:31:55.750 and 0:31:56.300 --> 0:31:59.450 shouting out Oh, you should just do tm and all 0:31:59.450 --> 0:32:02.650 this stuff. And I remember it, actually. And 0:32:03.270 --> 0:32:05.190 I did it, actually, And it was a good thing. 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:06.050 Like thanks for that. 0:32:06.060 --> 0:32:08.100 It wasn't really because of him, but it was something 0:32:08.100 --> 0:32:09.730 I was doing anyway. But 0:32:09.740 --> 0:32:10.600 I'm already on it. 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.660 The feeling I mean, the meaning was well, meaning. Tell 0:32:14.660 --> 0:32:16.710 me about the Britney days. I love that you describe 0:32:16.710 --> 0:32:18.640 it like that. Why do you describe him as your 0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:19.390 Britney days? 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.650 Well, because that was my, you know, physical and Greece. 0:32:23.650 --> 0:32:23.990 And 0:32:24.170 --> 0:32:26.590 I was I mean, it wasn't the tabloids like now. 0:32:26.590 --> 0:32:28.470 And it wasn't social media like now, But 0:32:28.470 --> 0:32:29.500 it wasn't TMZ. 0:32:29.510 --> 0:32:32.000 No, they weren't following you like that. I mean, it 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.460 was a certain amount of it, but nothing like I 0:32:34.460 --> 0:32:36.000 used to get upset if they took a picture of 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.540 me over the fence or something in Australia. But, 0:32:39.070 --> 0:32:43.250 um, nothing compared to the stuff they do now. But 0:32:43.250 --> 0:32:46.270 it was my big time. So that's what I call 0:32:46.270 --> 0:32:46.720 it that 0:32:46.730 --> 0:32:50.460 physical? I was just watched it again this morning. God, 0:32:50.460 --> 0:32:55.150 that was a brilliant video. But also really strange. Yeah, 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:58.350 it starts with this sort of almost home. I was watching. 0:32:58.350 --> 0:33:00.530 I was going. This is quite homoerotic. Before I watched 0:33:00.530 --> 0:33:02.410 the end of it all These like, buff guy 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.170 guys doing, you know, working out, and you and I 0:33:06.170 --> 0:33:09.370 was like, Gosh, this is so interesting. Male sexuality and 0:33:09.370 --> 0:33:13.400 women sort of ogling men is never portrayed in music videos. 0:33:13.410 --> 0:33:16.050 So it was really progressive. And you had your short 0:33:16.050 --> 0:33:19.120 hair and you had your aerobics outfit. And then they became, like, 0:33:19.140 --> 0:33:22.840 contestants on the biggest loser Cut to that. And then 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.960 you were in a shower. You came back and the 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:28.280 guys were hot again. 0:33:28.740 --> 0:33:31.469 And then the guys just walk off holding hands at 0:33:31.470 --> 0:33:31.640 the 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:33.030 end. Gay. 0:33:33.030 --> 0:33:36.110 And it was, like, very subversive, like in that time. 0:33:36.110 --> 0:33:38.070 And you say in the book, you didn't really think 0:33:38.070 --> 0:33:40.490 anything of it. Like when you read this video treatment. 0:33:40.500 --> 0:33:43.550 Did you think Oh, this is a bit risque. 0:33:45.190 --> 0:33:47.420 The song I thought it was more risky. The video 0:33:47.420 --> 0:33:48.820 was supposed to solve that 0:33:48.830 --> 0:33:49.420 problem, 0:33:50.950 --> 0:33:52.780 and I think he did in a way because he 0:33:52.780 --> 0:33:54.890 kind of took it off in another area. 0:33:54.900 --> 0:33:55.900 And it was kind of funny. 0:33:55.910 --> 0:33:59.360 It was funny. And I have no problem. You know, lovers, 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.930 lovers to me. I don't care about that. My friends 0:34:01.930 --> 0:34:04.680 were Gaiser who cared, so I thought it was funny. But, 0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:07.770 you know, I'm not 99% of the country, so I 0:34:07.770 --> 0:34:10.950 got banned in Utah, I think where I shot my concert, 0:34:10.950 --> 0:34:13.020 which was really funny. Um, 0:34:13.410 --> 0:34:14.029 but 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:15.650 because of the gay part, 0:34:15.660 --> 0:34:17.830 No, no, just because it 0:34:17.830 --> 0:34:19.239 was too rude. The lyrics 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:21.719 to Naughty. Yes. And I must say, I was I 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:25.689 was freaked out about the song after I recorded it. Yeah, 0:34:25.700 --> 0:34:27.410 and said to my manager again, another thing I was 0:34:27.410 --> 0:34:29.879 scared off. I think I've gone too far. I think 0:34:29.890 --> 0:34:33.430 we need to do a video about exercise to kind of, 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:37.140 you know, take the focus off those lyrics. And then, 0:34:37.140 --> 0:34:38.630 of course, I made it even bigger. 0:34:39.170 --> 0:34:39.400 Yeah, 0:34:40.150 --> 0:34:43.430 I should have bought shares in Spandex is all I'm saying. 0:34:43.430 --> 0:34:47.290 And headbands. I was too late. Jane Fonda did it. 0:34:47.820 --> 0:34:50.340 That was that. That was the time, wasn't it? And 0:34:50.340 --> 0:34:52.720 then the beautiful ending with the twist where you go 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:55.150 off with the big guy and you find love with 0:34:55.150 --> 0:34:58.670 him with the tennis rackets over your shoulders. I love that. 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:03.290 So they were your Britney days, and then you didn't 0:35:03.300 --> 0:35:04.950 You didn't 0:35:05.460 --> 0:35:05.980 tell 0:35:05.980 --> 0:35:09.859 people When the cancer came back. Your sister was unwell. She, 0:35:09.870 --> 0:35:11.989 um And you were visiting her in hospital. You had 0:35:11.989 --> 0:35:13.730 a car accident and 0:35:13.730 --> 0:35:14.900 she was at home. She was at 0:35:14.900 --> 0:35:17.560 home and you ended up getting a lump on your shoulder, 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:18.589 which you would have thought 0:35:20.010 --> 0:35:22.650 It's just from the car accident, but it turned out 0:35:22.650 --> 0:35:23.120 not to be 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.830 that I don't know which came first, the chicken or 0:35:25.830 --> 0:35:28.840 the egg. But I think the I very much believe 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:33.220 in illness and emotional attachment to and trauma to illness, 0:35:33.219 --> 0:35:35.200 which has actually been proven quite a lot. And I've 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:39.840 always followed Louise hay, you know, familiar with the house. Yeah, and, uh, 0:35:39.850 --> 0:35:42.150 you know, emotions and illness and how they tie together 0:35:42.150 --> 0:35:43.950 very often. And stress, particularly, 0:35:44.270 --> 0:35:47.890 can be really bad, particularly with cancer. But you want 0:35:47.890 --> 0:35:50.000 to try and stay as stress free as you can. 0:35:50.010 --> 0:35:52.160 So I think all those things plus the hit 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:53.810 Yeah. 0:35:53.820 --> 0:35:57.700 You've already met your second husband by then. How did 0:35:57.700 --> 0:35:58.940 you and John mate 0:35:59.500 --> 0:36:04.140 the first time? Yeah, the very first time. Uh, he 0:36:04.140 --> 0:36:08.450 was doing a talk on the Amazon rainforest because he 0:36:08.460 --> 0:36:11.839 spent 30 years in the Amazon and bringing plants and 0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.370 natural therapies and herbs back from the Amazon and started 0:36:15.370 --> 0:36:20.100 a company which is a fascinating book in itself. And 0:36:20.110 --> 0:36:22.560 I was interested in that. And my girlfriend, Nancy and 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:27.310 Jim went to a health show where he was distributing 0:36:27.310 --> 0:36:29.340 his hopes and giving out samples, 0:36:29.590 --> 0:36:31.370 and they were standing in line. She thought it was 0:36:31.370 --> 0:36:34.550 for ice cream and ended up being for his herbs. 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:36.930 And she had her mother with her, who was at 0:36:36.930 --> 0:36:39.990 the time in her eighties, and they took samples of 0:36:39.989 --> 0:36:42.370 his herbs. I think they were liquids at the time, 0:36:42.380 --> 0:36:44.920 and she went home and cleaned out a whole closet 0:36:44.930 --> 0:36:46.760 and woke up the next morning and said to Nancy, 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:48.860 I want to go back again, meet that guy and 0:36:48.860 --> 0:36:51.219 I want more of those herbs because I felt so 0:36:51.219 --> 0:36:55.339 good so that they became friends. And then Jim ended 0:36:55.340 --> 0:36:57.900 up district being a distributor of John's products 0:36:58.130 --> 0:36:59.960 and He was doing a truck on the rainforest, and 0:36:59.960 --> 0:37:02.030 they invited me to come. Listen, 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:04.580 so I was very impressed with him, but I had 0:37:04.590 --> 0:37:08.130 no thoughts on him. Other than that, he was really 0:37:08.130 --> 0:37:12.339 clever and very knowledgeable about the rainforest and the Amazon. 0:37:12.340 --> 0:37:14.070 And that was very interesting to me. But he's so 0:37:14.070 --> 0:37:15.210 good looking. He was Could 0:37:15.210 --> 0:37:16.350 you have had any thought? 0:37:16.350 --> 0:37:19.160 He was a businessman. I had no Oh, 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:22.250 yeah, But he was like a hippie businessman. Like he 0:37:22.250 --> 0:37:25.310 was very grounded in nature. And babe 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:26.510 he was. And 0:37:26.510 --> 0:37:27.780 he said he had you 0:37:27.780 --> 0:37:29.660 doing about what's it called again? 0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:32.010 What's that thing you said you were doing? 0:37:32.020 --> 0:37:36.900 Cutting grass? Oh, shipping, shipping, shipping to ship you 0:37:36.910 --> 0:37:37.979 got there. I got 0:37:37.980 --> 0:37:39.640 eventually. You know, 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:41.890 I was slow. I was slow. So was he. He 0:37:41.890 --> 0:37:44.350 saw me. OK, this is funny. My mother used to 0:37:44.350 --> 0:37:47.219 say to me, Darling, you should marry a businessman. That 0:37:47.219 --> 0:37:49.180 was her whole thing. She 0:37:49.180 --> 0:37:50.380 was German. I love 0:37:50.390 --> 0:37:53.140 you Should know your business, man. I said, Mama, Businessman, 0:37:53.150 --> 0:37:55.550 What would I have in common with the businessman? You know, 0:37:55.550 --> 0:37:57.860 someone in the business who understands what I do. So 0:37:57.870 --> 0:37:59.180 I had No, 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:03.960 it didn't occur to me at all. So, um, now 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:05.710 I've lost where I was. Totally. So 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:07.400 your mother said marry a businessman? 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:11.010 Yeah. Now she was gone by the time I met John, unfortunately, 0:38:11.020 --> 0:38:13.780 because she would have loved him. But 0:38:14.310 --> 0:38:16.570 so when I first met him, I thought he was handsome, 0:38:16.570 --> 0:38:18.460 But I was married at that time. So, you know, 0:38:18.460 --> 0:38:23.230 I wasn't looking sideways. I was married and he thought 0:38:23.230 --> 0:38:26.130 I was just some Hollywood chick. He didn't know my music. 0:38:26.140 --> 0:38:28.450 He'd never seen Greece. He'd never 0:38:28.450 --> 0:38:29.610 seen Greece. 0:38:29.620 --> 0:38:31.319 And when you ask him, he goes. So I was 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:33.270 in the Amazon, up up the river, in a canoe. 0:38:33.270 --> 0:38:35.310 He had no clue. So 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.270 So you don't You know who I am? You couldn't 0:38:38.270 --> 0:38:40.520 even do that. That would ever be your style. 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:42.410 That's not my soul. That's not who I am. 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:43.650 And has 0:38:43.650 --> 0:38:44.740 he seen Greece? Still? 0:38:44.750 --> 0:38:47.950 Yes. Actually, it's a really funny story, because the first 0:38:47.950 --> 0:38:49.009 time he saw it, 0:38:49.670 --> 0:38:52.460 we were just married. And John Travolta asked us for dinner, 0:38:52.469 --> 0:38:56.510 and he has a private airport at his house, which 0:38:56.510 --> 0:38:58.919 is always his dream. He's going to have that. So 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.930 we're having dinner and my husband is a pilot, too. 0:39:01.930 --> 0:39:04.680 So John said, my plane just came back. I love 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.820 you guys to come see it. He just had it refurbished. 0:39:08.510 --> 0:39:10.870 So we're having dinner, and my husband mentions he's never 0:39:10.870 --> 0:39:15.069 seen Greece. And John Travolta, of course, says Where were you? 0:39:15.070 --> 0:39:18.850 And up the Amazon? As you know, Um, so we 0:39:18.850 --> 0:39:21.080 go onto the plane and Johnson, let's go into the plane, 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:22.399 have dessert on the plane. 0:39:22.969 --> 0:39:24.980 So we go on the plane and we're sitting there 0:39:24.989 --> 0:39:27.480 and all and Greece is playing on the screen. 0:39:27.489 --> 0:39:28.100 And 0:39:28.100 --> 0:39:29.569 that was the first time he saw it with both 0:39:29.570 --> 0:39:33.060 of us on his John's plane. So is that fantastic? 0:39:33.060 --> 0:39:34.130 I mean, you couldn't make that 0:39:34.130 --> 0:39:35.420 up. And what 0:39:35.420 --> 0:39:38.509 did he think? He liked it. He loved it, 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:39.460 he said. That's a 0:39:39.460 --> 0:39:42.359 really good movie. And then the next time he saw it, 0:39:42.370 --> 0:39:44.440 I think was that the 40th anniversary we just had 0:39:44.450 --> 0:39:47.319 on a big screen? And I must say I enjoyed 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.260 it this time because it's you know, I haven't seen 0:39:49.260 --> 0:39:51.290 it on a big screen in 20 years or something, 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.020 and I was able to really sit back and be 0:39:54.020 --> 0:39:57.680 detached and just watch it without critiquing myself as I 0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:01.640 usually do, and it was so much fun. It's got 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.770 a lot of layers to it. Actually, it 0:40:03.770 --> 0:40:05.830 sure does have a lot of layers to it, and 0:40:05.830 --> 0:40:08.670 all the characters are. So there's a lot of films 0:40:08.670 --> 0:40:11.290 made around the time that could have been iconic. Why 0:40:11.290 --> 0:40:13.759 do you think that one was just so had such 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:14.240 cut through? 0:40:14.250 --> 0:40:15.830 You know, I think if we knew, we would have 0:40:15.830 --> 0:40:18.070 made more. But there was a magic to it 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:22.780 in Well, the storyline is great. The fifties is, as 0:40:22.780 --> 0:40:24.810 I was saying, is larger than life. Like a cartoon. 0:40:24.810 --> 0:40:27.290 They made everyone being there was a great energy. And 0:40:27.290 --> 0:40:29.230 the song is a great you know, We've got the 0:40:29.230 --> 0:40:32.589 original songs. Plus, um, John Farrow and Barry Gibb wrote 0:40:32.590 --> 0:40:33.650 some great songs. So 0:40:33.660 --> 0:40:34.660 what's your favorite is a 0:40:34.660 --> 0:40:35.860 winner. What's 0:40:35.860 --> 0:40:36.600 your favourite song 0:40:36.610 --> 0:40:37.370 from it? 0:40:37.900 --> 0:40:39.989 Oh, gosh, I don't know. I love you Wanna know 0:40:39.989 --> 0:40:43.919 why I love hopes? He devoted, um they're all fun there. 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:44.940 All the songs are good, I reckon. 0:40:44.940 --> 0:40:46.970 What was the best one to sing and perform for 0:40:46.969 --> 0:40:49.920 you? Um hopes he devoted It's quite a hard song 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:51.640 to sing, but it's a great song. 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:56.670 So back to your husband in whom he had no 0:40:56.670 --> 0:40:57.960 romantic interest 0:40:58.219 --> 0:40:58.870 and 0:40:58.870 --> 0:41:01.040 who had no romantic interest in you. What's wrong with 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.049 the two of you? How did you saving up? How 0:41:04.050 --> 0:41:08.250 did you end up in the Amazon together? Taking Iowa. Alaska. 0:41:08.260 --> 0:41:09.049 Is that how you 0:41:09.050 --> 0:41:10.180 even say Alaska? 0:41:10.190 --> 0:41:11.330 Alaska, which 0:41:11.330 --> 0:41:12.779 I didn't know I was taking. By the way, at 0:41:12.780 --> 0:41:15.130 the time, it was just a sample taste. That's why 0:41:15.130 --> 0:41:18.989 it was so interesting was meant to be. But he 0:41:19.550 --> 0:41:22.339 came to say, That's right. I went, Oh, there's so 0:41:22.340 --> 0:41:25.089 many stories. The dog story. So I gave him a dog, 0:41:25.090 --> 0:41:25.540 and then 0:41:25.550 --> 0:41:26.720 Oh, 0:41:26.730 --> 0:41:27.930 that's in there. I don't know. 0:41:27.930 --> 0:41:31.630 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you gave him a dog, a 0:41:31.630 --> 0:41:33.890 puppy. And I didn't see him or the puppy for 0:41:33.890 --> 0:41:36.930 about seven years or something. I mean, I might see 0:41:36.930 --> 0:41:39.570 him occasionally at a charity event because he would supply 0:41:39.580 --> 0:41:42.939 his herds and his skin. Care to check the thing 0:41:42.940 --> 0:41:45.130 I started with Nancy and Jim. We have fundraisers, and 0:41:45.130 --> 0:41:45.970 he'd supply. 0:41:46.489 --> 0:41:48.660 Um, I didn't really see him. Oh, I know what happened. 0:41:49.090 --> 0:41:51.610 This is funny. I was offered 0:41:52.330 --> 0:41:54.110 to do a skin care line for one of the 0:41:54.110 --> 0:41:57.840 big drug store chains. Huge one. 0:41:58.469 --> 0:42:00.270 And I thought, Well, I don't know much about skincare, 0:42:00.270 --> 0:42:03.700 but John does. So I called him up and I said, 0:42:03.710 --> 0:42:07.589 You know, I've been offered to do this skincare line, uh, 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:10.790 for this big chain of stores and I know you 0:42:10.790 --> 0:42:13.390 do one. Would you be interested in partnering with me? 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.310 And we could use your skin care, but just re 0:42:16.310 --> 0:42:18.509 label it and all that and he goes, Why would 0:42:18.510 --> 0:42:19.430 I want to do that? 0:42:20.460 --> 0:42:21.380 And I went 0:42:21.390 --> 0:42:22.700 It's really not taking him, 0:42:22.710 --> 0:42:26.210 he says. No, it wasn't a hint, really, I said, 0:42:26.210 --> 0:42:28.219 because it's going to be big. He said, no, they're 0:42:28.219 --> 0:42:30.600 gonna want to cheapen my product, put it in plastic 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:34.089 bottles and he, you know, at the time I was 0:42:34.090 --> 0:42:36.310 taken aback. But I really respected his 0:42:36.310 --> 0:42:37.219 integrity. 0:42:37.230 --> 0:42:39.490 So that always stayed with me, I thought. And also 0:42:39.489 --> 0:42:41.310 he said no to me. How d 0:42:41.910 --> 0:42:44.210 yeah, smart guy. 0:42:44.219 --> 0:42:46.870 So yeah, so not long after that, I was doing 0:42:46.870 --> 0:42:50.510 a concert in Florida and I called. My assistant said, 0:42:50.510 --> 0:42:52.240 Why don't you invite John Easterling? Tell him to bring 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:55.010 his girlfriend because there's a whole other story before that, 0:42:55.020 --> 0:42:57.330 because I thought he had a girlfriend. So he came 0:42:57.330 --> 0:42:59.240 to the show. But he didn't bring his girlfriend. He 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:02.210 bought the puppy I'd sent him, who is now a 0:43:02.210 --> 0:43:06.310 big dog and who remembered me. And John remembered me. 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:10.020 Thank God. And that's how we kind of connected. 0:43:10.340 --> 0:43:12.339 And when he said when he saw my show and 0:43:12.340 --> 0:43:14.420 this is his quote, not mine, he said when he 0:43:14.420 --> 0:43:17.310 saw me singing he he knew I was a healer 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.660 and he wanted to take me to the Amazon to 0:43:19.660 --> 0:43:21.509 meet the other healers down there that he worked with 0:43:21.510 --> 0:43:24.630 all the time. So that was his intention. So the 0:43:24.630 --> 0:43:26.350 next day he came to see me at the hotel. 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.630 I was mortified. I'm sitting by the pool and my 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.130 bikini and no makeup, and he turns up and I'm 0:43:31.130 --> 0:43:33.790 going Oh, no, I was like, You know, you don't 0:43:33.790 --> 0:43:36.410 want to be seen. And, uh, he said, I'd like 0:43:36.410 --> 0:43:37.759 to take you to the Amazon 0:43:38.450 --> 0:43:40.780 and meet the hell is down there and I go 0:43:40.780 --> 0:43:43.560 every June. So if you'd like to come, I'd like 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:44.600 to take you next June 0:43:45.130 --> 0:43:46.930 so it turns out that he'd been talking to Nancy 0:43:46.930 --> 0:43:49.450 and Jim. It was her 60th birthday, so we made 0:43:49.450 --> 0:43:51.170 it her birthday trip and the four of us, we're 0:43:51.170 --> 0:43:53.120 going to go because I don't want to go by myself. 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:57.350 I was terrified. So, um, that's what it all happened. 0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:58.300 And what's a Oscar 0:43:58.300 --> 0:43:58.830 like? 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.040 It's very hard to explain. 0:44:03.060 --> 0:44:06.719 I didn't do a full on, 0:44:07.820 --> 0:44:12.180 uh, journey because it takes all night and it was 0:44:12.180 --> 0:44:14.660 all night. But I just had a reaction to this tiny, 0:44:14.660 --> 0:44:17.560 tiny amount because my body is so sensitive. But you 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:19.740 have to read it. I couldn't relate that now. 0:44:19.750 --> 0:44:23.779 Yeah. No, it's full on. From what I understand the 0:44:23.780 --> 0:44:26.210 Oscar situation. They 0:44:26.210 --> 0:44:28.140 use it a lot in drug rehab now and for 0:44:28.140 --> 0:44:32.270 people with emotional issues. And for me, all I can 0:44:32.270 --> 0:44:35.770 say is that short experience that I had 0:44:36.020 --> 0:44:39.890 totally cleared my mind of a real dramatic issues that 0:44:39.890 --> 0:44:43.500 I've been having. So I have belief in it as 0:44:43.500 --> 0:44:44.830 a as a healing plant. 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:48.330 You chose not to make a public when when your 0:44:48.330 --> 0:44:51.900 cancer came back after your sister died, Why is that? 0:44:51.910 --> 0:44:53.799 Is it just that there was too much going on? 0:44:54.820 --> 0:44:57.669 Well, there's some things you want to keep private. Why 0:44:57.670 --> 0:44:59.700 would I need to tell people It's not really anyone's 0:44:59.700 --> 0:45:01.370 business but mine. But 0:45:01.380 --> 0:45:02.710 this time you have decided 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:04.989 at this time I thought, Well, I'm writing a book. 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.800 I'm as well, yeah, talk about it. 0:45:08.390 --> 0:45:10.660 And how are you treating at this time and how 0:45:10.660 --> 0:45:11.500 are you feeling? 0:45:11.510 --> 0:45:14.569 Feel good. I'm doing a lot of natural therapies. 0:45:15.219 --> 0:45:18.750 I went to a wonderful place in Mexico called Hope 0:45:18.750 --> 0:45:21.170 for Cancer that does all natural therapies. And I spent 0:45:21.170 --> 0:45:24.190 three weeks. They're learning them and doing them and, 0:45:24.820 --> 0:45:26.830 yeah, making my immune system strong. 0:45:27.700 --> 0:45:32.049 Thank you for listening to no philtre candid conversations that count. 0:45:32.060 --> 0:45:34.920 You can buy Olivia's book. Don't stop believing at any 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:39.630 good bookstore or at apple dot co forward slash mamma mia. 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:42.200 If you're looking for what to listen to next, can 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:45.839 I recommend my no philtre interview with another Aussie icon 0:45:45.850 --> 0:45:51.080 item bistros. We had a fascinating conversation. 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