1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,140 Speaker 1: It's so funny. Many of the things in my career 2 00:00:04,140 --> 00:00:06,310 Speaker 1: that I was really nervous about ended up being really 3 00:00:06,309 --> 00:00:08,930 Speaker 1: successful for me, because sometimes you just have to put 4 00:00:08,930 --> 00:00:09,420 Speaker 1: yourself out 5 00:00:09,420 --> 00:00:10,470 Speaker 2: there and take a chance 6 00:00:11,460 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: from the Mother Mia podcast network. I'm Mia Freedman, and 7 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: you're listening to no philtre counted conversations that count. Seeing 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,930 Speaker 2: someone in person that you've grown up with on the 9 00:00:20,930 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 2: screen is really weird. It's lovely, but it's weird. When 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,390 Speaker 2: Olivia Newton John walked out of the lift and into 11 00:00:29,390 --> 00:00:32,550 Speaker 2: the Mummy office one Wednesday morning recently, 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,470 Speaker 2: she was really fragile but also somehow full of energy. 13 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: At the same time, she glowed as we said our 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,830 Speaker 2: hellos and she sort of got her bearings. I watched 15 00:00:44,830 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: her and I was struck by how she's really naturally curious. 16 00:00:49,330 --> 00:00:53,490 Speaker 2: And she's kind of effervescent, like a Baraka, and she's 17 00:00:53,490 --> 00:00:56,420 Speaker 2: deeply connected to animals. One of the first things she 18 00:00:56,420 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: knows 19 00:00:56,615 --> 00:00:59,425 Speaker 2: was that there was a dog bed next to someone's desk, 20 00:00:59,435 --> 00:01:02,465 Speaker 2: and I saw her whole face light up as she 21 00:01:02,475 --> 00:01:04,725 Speaker 2: went looking for a dog in the office and she 22 00:01:04,725 --> 00:01:07,044 Speaker 2: was really crest fel. And when I had to tell 23 00:01:07,045 --> 00:01:09,854 Speaker 2: her that the dogs weren't actually in the office today. 24 00:01:09,865 --> 00:01:14,305 Speaker 2: She was super excited about patting something. It's hard not 25 00:01:14,305 --> 00:01:17,105 Speaker 2: to found girl over Olivia Newton John. I dare you 26 00:01:17,105 --> 00:01:20,944 Speaker 2: to try. It's Sandy from Grease. It's tell me more. 27 00:01:20,955 --> 00:01:24,115 Speaker 2: It's summer lovin it Xanadu. It's roller skates and it's 28 00:01:24,115 --> 00:01:25,350 Speaker 2: Let's get physical. 29 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,150 Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to think of a more iconic 30 00:01:28,150 --> 00:01:31,750 Speaker 2: Australian or one that's more beloved than Olivia Newton. John 31 00:01:32,410 --> 00:01:34,940 Speaker 2: Olivia has had some incredible highs in her life and 32 00:01:34,940 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: also some really crushing lows. 33 00:01:37,660 --> 00:01:39,830 Speaker 2: She's had breast cancer. She was one of the first 34 00:01:39,830 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: celebrities to talk openly and honestly about being diagnosed and 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,660 Speaker 2: then treated for breast cancer. She's lost her beloved sister, Corona. 36 00:01:47,670 --> 00:01:52,270 Speaker 2: Her former partner, Patrick, disappeared in mysterious circumstances that no 37 00:01:52,270 --> 00:01:54,370 Speaker 2: one ever really seemed to figure out. 38 00:01:54,820 --> 00:01:58,050 Speaker 2: Her God daughter died when she was just six. Olivia's 39 00:01:58,050 --> 00:02:04,150 Speaker 2: been divorced, and she's experienced infertility and miscarriages, and she's 40 00:02:04,150 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: also had two wonderful marriages and an extraordinary international career. 41 00:02:08,530 --> 00:02:11,590 Speaker 2: A daughter who she is devoted to, and a life 42 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:16,029 Speaker 2: full of laughter and love and adventure and animals. She 43 00:02:16,030 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: even tried ayahuasca, the hallucinogenic drug with her husband in Peru. 44 00:02:21,940 --> 00:02:25,490 Speaker 2: Olivia is about to turn 70 and she's optimistic about 45 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:29,060 Speaker 2: the future despite the fact that her cancer has returned 46 00:02:29,260 --> 00:02:30,429 Speaker 2: for the third time. 47 00:02:31,220 --> 00:02:35,180 Speaker 2: Her new memoir is aptly called Don't Stop Believing, and 48 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: we had a lot to talk about, including the time 49 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,220 Speaker 2: that she tried a whisker. I wanted to know what 50 00:02:40,220 --> 00:02:44,590 Speaker 2: that was like and her miscarriages and her cancer and 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,790 Speaker 2: her hot husbands, one of whom lived in a teepee 52 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: for a while. But first I wanted to start with 53 00:02:50,930 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: all of the questions that I had and that I'm 54 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,210 Speaker 2: sure you have about what else? Greece. 55 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:58,780 Speaker 2: Here's Olivia Newton, John 56 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: Olivia. Tell me about your first day on the set 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,450 Speaker 2: of Greece. It wasn't even a day of filming, was 58 00:03:04,450 --> 00:03:06,330 Speaker 2: it that first day you know the first thing I 59 00:03:06,330 --> 00:03:07,030 Speaker 2: said of Greece. 60 00:03:07,030 --> 00:03:09,060 Speaker 1: We Alencar gave us a 61 00:03:09,060 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: sock hop, so 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,690 Speaker 1: he wanted us to get to know each other. So 63 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: he played a lot of music and we danced and 64 00:03:15,010 --> 00:03:16,910 Speaker 1: and kind of got to know each other was really 65 00:03:16,910 --> 00:03:19,870 Speaker 1: clever idea because it got us into the idea of 66 00:03:19,870 --> 00:03:22,859 Speaker 1: being a lot younger than we were. Yeah, and forming 67 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:24,090 Speaker 1: a family, 68 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,980 Speaker 1: and, uh, it was a really clever idea and he 69 00:03:26,980 --> 00:03:29,690 Speaker 1: used a lot of that to get us energised. He 70 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: would have little parties at his house and invite us, 71 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,380 Speaker 1: and he kept us all very excited, which was showed 72 00:03:35,380 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: in the energy of the film. 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,970 Speaker 2: It sure did. You talked about how it being 1978 74 00:03:41,970 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: when the film was made. 75 00:03:43,950 --> 00:03:47,869 Speaker 2: It was so different to the time that was portrayed 76 00:03:47,870 --> 00:03:49,870 Speaker 2: in the film, which was the fifties, and how you 77 00:03:49,870 --> 00:03:53,730 Speaker 2: were nervous about the clash of those two times on 78 00:03:53,730 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: those two eras. What was it like then, in terms 79 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,910 Speaker 2: of What did you mean? What was the sort of 80 00:03:58,910 --> 00:04:01,369 Speaker 2: the feeling in the seventies that felt so different to 81 00:04:01,370 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 2: the movie? 82 00:04:02,130 --> 00:04:04,910 Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't think that I think I was 83 00:04:04,910 --> 00:04:08,990 Speaker 1: more concerned about pulling off being 17 84 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: right 85 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:13,180 Speaker 1: than I was about the two different eras, because it 86 00:04:13,180 --> 00:04:15,890 Speaker 1: was it was a movie. We were playing a different era, 87 00:04:15,890 --> 00:04:19,590 Speaker 1: but the fifties had a really exciting 88 00:04:20,230 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: think about them. I think the movie is almost cartoon 89 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,070 Speaker 1: like in that it takes each character and makes them 90 00:04:27,070 --> 00:04:30,099 Speaker 1: larger than life. Everyone was larger than life and bigger 91 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: and funnier, and the costumes were bright and so I 92 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: think it was kind of a wonderful ode to the fifties, 93 00:04:38,370 --> 00:04:41,380 Speaker 1: but the seventies, you know, it was a different time, 94 00:04:41,380 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: but I could relate. Even though I was very young, 95 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:46,539 Speaker 2: you didn't want to be in the film. You said no, 96 00:04:46,550 --> 00:04:49,420 Speaker 2: John Travolta said. He was cast and they were looking 97 00:04:49,420 --> 00:04:51,110 Speaker 2: for Sandy, and he said the only one he wanted 98 00:04:51,110 --> 00:04:53,670 Speaker 2: was you were the one that I want. 99 00:04:54,339 --> 00:04:57,310 Speaker 2: How did he convince you? How did the director convince you? 100 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,490 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I had dinner with Alan Carr 101 00:04:59,490 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: and Helen Reddy's house, and that's really how the whole 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,190 Speaker 1: conversation began. And I had made a movie in England 103 00:05:05,190 --> 00:05:08,510 Speaker 1: in the sixties called Tomorrow, which was a musical. I 104 00:05:08,510 --> 00:05:10,940 Speaker 1: was in a band in in the movie, and it 105 00:05:10,940 --> 00:05:13,029 Speaker 1: was a space musical. 106 00:05:13,310 --> 00:05:16,290 Speaker 1: And it wasn't a big success, although it was supposed 107 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:19,050 Speaker 1: to have been because Harry Saltzman, who did the James 108 00:05:19,050 --> 00:05:21,570 Speaker 1: Bond movies, and Don Kirshner, who put the monkeys together, 109 00:05:21,580 --> 00:05:24,620 Speaker 1: joined up to make this brand new group. They were 110 00:05:24,620 --> 00:05:26,859 Speaker 1: going to make all these movies and it didn't work. 111 00:05:26,870 --> 00:05:29,310 Speaker 1: So I was very nervous about making another movie and 112 00:05:29,310 --> 00:05:33,100 Speaker 1: particularly musical because my musical career was taking off my 113 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: music career, not my musical career. So I had to 114 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,940 Speaker 1: be convinced because I want to make another mistake. So 115 00:05:38,940 --> 00:05:41,529 Speaker 1: they talked to me and I was going, I'm not sure. 116 00:05:41,529 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: So 117 00:05:42,270 --> 00:05:43,950 Speaker 1: they sent John to my house, 118 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,010 Speaker 1: and once that beautiful man came walking up the driveway 119 00:05:49,010 --> 00:05:52,339 Speaker 1: with those bright blue eyes and and said, You're the 120 00:05:52,350 --> 00:05:55,330 Speaker 1: you know you're my choice And but he was very 121 00:05:55,330 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: gentle and very calm, and we just spent the day 122 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,890 Speaker 1: together and hang around the animals. And, uh then I said, Well, 123 00:06:00,890 --> 00:06:04,030 Speaker 1: you know what? I'm a bit nervous about playing 17. 124 00:06:04,029 --> 00:06:05,690 Speaker 1: I was all of 29 125 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,010 Speaker 1: and when I look back now, I don't know what 126 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:09,380 Speaker 1: I was worried about. You know, it's all 127 00:06:09,380 --> 00:06:10,619 Speaker 2: relative to the age 128 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: you are. And I said, I think maybe if we 129 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,710 Speaker 1: do a screen test and I can see 130 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: that this can work, that maybe maybe I consider it 131 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,659 Speaker 1: so They put together a screen test, and that's really 132 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:22,810 Speaker 1: how it all fell into place. 133 00:06:22,820 --> 00:06:25,620 Speaker 2: It was very cool headed of you, wasn't it? That 134 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:29,310 Speaker 2: showed a real pragmatism, and I want for a career 135 00:06:29,310 --> 00:06:30,330 Speaker 2: with longevity 136 00:06:30,339 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: and a lot of fear. I think 137 00:06:31,850 --> 00:06:35,589 Speaker 2: yet and he so it's not many actresses, you know. 138 00:06:35,589 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: I want to audition. Yeah, let me see. 139 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: It's so funny. Many of the things in my 140 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: career that I was really nervous about ended up being 141 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,190 Speaker 1: really successful for me because sometimes you just have to 142 00:06:46,190 --> 00:06:48,030 Speaker 1: put yourself out there and take a chance. And 143 00:06:48,029 --> 00:06:49,290 Speaker 2: so I ended up 144 00:06:49,290 --> 00:06:51,890 Speaker 1: taking that chance. But it was nerve racking. 145 00:06:51,900 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: So where was John and his career and where were 146 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: you in your career at that stage? 147 00:06:56,690 --> 00:06:58,490 Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked that, because that's what I was 148 00:06:58,490 --> 00:07:00,260 Speaker 1: merely to say to you, because when he walked up 149 00:07:00,260 --> 00:07:01,170 Speaker 1: the driveway, 150 00:07:01,620 --> 00:07:03,529 Speaker 1: I just knew him from Welcome back, Kotter. 151 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:04,620 Speaker 2: Yeah, 152 00:07:04,630 --> 00:07:06,660 Speaker 1: which is a series on TV where he played this 153 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: really cute guy and Saturday Night Fever. 154 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: Not yet part 155 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,130 Speaker 1: of the world. So we I'm really glad of that 156 00:07:14,140 --> 00:07:16,990 Speaker 1: because I think I would have been too intimidated had 157 00:07:16,990 --> 00:07:20,220 Speaker 1: I seen the movie or known about it beforehand as 158 00:07:20,220 --> 00:07:22,540 Speaker 1: we were almost finished Greece because I remember being in 159 00:07:22,540 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: my sandy to outfit in my black outfit, and John said, 160 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,810 Speaker 1: we're having a screening of Saturday Night Fever. It's the 161 00:07:28,810 --> 00:07:31,050 Speaker 1: uncut we haven't finished at. The music is not in. 162 00:07:31,540 --> 00:07:33,580 Speaker 1: And so Dede and myself and quite a few of 163 00:07:33,580 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: us went to watch it, and it was like, Oh, yeah, 164 00:07:36,650 --> 00:07:40,140 Speaker 1: he's going to be, like, iconic And then I was like, 165 00:07:40,150 --> 00:07:43,810 Speaker 1: I'm so glad I did this movie before I saw it. 166 00:07:43,820 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: You know, my musical career was doing pretty well. I 167 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,530 Speaker 1: wasn't huge, but I was doing very well 168 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: and so we're kind of similar. That's what made it, 169 00:07:53,130 --> 00:07:54,540 Speaker 1: I think, work out 170 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:57,230 Speaker 2: the decision to make Sandy Australia and how did that 171 00:07:57,230 --> 00:07:57,820 Speaker 2: come about? 172 00:07:57,830 --> 00:07:59,940 Speaker 1: Because I told them, You know, I was coming up 173 00:07:59,940 --> 00:08:01,790 Speaker 1: with all the excuses in the world where I couldn't 174 00:08:01,790 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: play it, and one of them was, I can't do 175 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:05,850 Speaker 1: an American accent 176 00:08:06,170 --> 00:08:08,290 Speaker 1: So they called me back and said, OK, we'll make 177 00:08:08,290 --> 00:08:08,490 Speaker 1: you a 178 00:08:08,490 --> 00:08:10,369 Speaker 2: Nazi Well, 179 00:08:10,380 --> 00:08:13,650 Speaker 1: thank you, okay. And I think that worked really well 180 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: for the part as well. It's made it a little 181 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,170 Speaker 1: more interesting that 182 00:08:16,170 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: fish out of water. 183 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: I was probably one of the first people to have 184 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: an Australian accent. I think 185 00:08:21,530 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: there's a beautiful moment in the book that you write 186 00:08:23,410 --> 00:08:27,490 Speaker 2: about at the Bonfire, which is quite early in the film, 187 00:08:27,490 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: and Danny and Sandy see each other again for the 188 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,670 Speaker 2: first time and realise that they're at school together. 189 00:08:32,130 --> 00:08:34,870 Speaker 2: Oh, that's such a beautiful moment when he first sees 190 00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: you and all the things written on his face. But 191 00:08:38,650 --> 00:08:41,309 Speaker 2: tell me about the filming of that scene because there's 192 00:08:41,309 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: a beautiful story. You tell about it in the book. 193 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,370 Speaker 1: Well, it was at night and it was a big scene, really, 194 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:49,699 Speaker 1: because I had to do a whole transition as well. 195 00:08:49,710 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: What's 196 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:51,610 Speaker 2: the transition? 197 00:08:51,620 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: Well, kind of from happiness to sadness and, you know, 198 00:08:54,850 --> 00:08:56,910 Speaker 1: feelings of emotion. And 199 00:08:57,330 --> 00:09:00,690 Speaker 1: I was a little nervous of it. Excited. I was excited. 200 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: You were nervous. 201 00:09:02,170 --> 00:09:05,110 Speaker 1: And did he know I was nervous? Deedee was fabulous 202 00:09:05,110 --> 00:09:05,450 Speaker 1: to me. 203 00:09:05,450 --> 00:09:07,850 Speaker 2: Friendship, Friendship. You guys became friends. 204 00:09:07,850 --> 00:09:10,650 Speaker 1: We're still friends. She's a wonderful girl. And she was 205 00:09:10,650 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: accomplished actor. So we'd rehearsed together. Anyway. I do the 206 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: scene and I'm pulled up towards John and I do 207 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,059 Speaker 1: my thing. 208 00:09:20,970 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: Tell me, 209 00:09:21,690 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: what are you doing 210 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,110 Speaker 1: here? I 211 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,890 Speaker 2: thought you were going back to 212 00:09:24,890 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: Australia. We have a change of plan. 213 00:09:27,809 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: Keep. 214 00:09:30,990 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: Well, that's cool. baby. You 215 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:33,989 Speaker 2: know how it is 216 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:35,490 Speaker 1: Rocking and rode in. What? 217 00:09:35,490 --> 00:09:36,850 Speaker 2: Not Danny, 218 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: That's my name. Don't wear it out. And he just 219 00:09:39,730 --> 00:09:42,100 Speaker 1: waved his hands like this. It was my close up, 220 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:43,570 Speaker 1: and he waved his hands in front of the camera, 221 00:09:43,570 --> 00:09:47,980 Speaker 1: walked up to me and whispered to me, I think 222 00:09:47,980 --> 00:09:50,670 Speaker 1: he can do it better. So he messed up to 223 00:09:50,670 --> 00:09:52,990 Speaker 1: take on purpose because he thought I could do it better. 224 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:55,460 Speaker 1: So that was really generous of him. And I've always 225 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:57,810 Speaker 1: been grateful for that because it was, you know, he 226 00:09:57,809 --> 00:09:58,530 Speaker 1: was helping me, 227 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:01,690 Speaker 2: did. He has been quoted as saying that there was 228 00:10:01,690 --> 00:10:03,510 Speaker 2: a lot of hormones and a lot of chemistry on 229 00:10:03,510 --> 00:10:06,850 Speaker 2: the set and that she said, um, the trailers were 230 00:10:06,850 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 2: rocking and rolling between 231 00:10:08,570 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: Doesn't mine, 232 00:10:09,970 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: may I 233 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,420 Speaker 1: specify? But yeah, there was some of that going on, 234 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:18,309 Speaker 2: and you tell a story about Nikki, who met your 235 00:10:18,309 --> 00:10:20,830 Speaker 2: sister when she came. Your sister, Rohner, who came to 236 00:10:20,830 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: visit on the set and they got married. 237 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,990 Speaker 1: They got married. They fell madly in love and got married. 238 00:10:26,990 --> 00:10:29,709 Speaker 1: So my brother in law was good, Nicky, for many 239 00:10:29,710 --> 00:10:31,490 Speaker 2: years. Was that weird? 240 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: I'm not at the time, he was a character. He 241 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: was a he was quite a character, but he he 242 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,209 Speaker 1: was a sweet guy, and unfortunately, we lost him about 243 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:43,610 Speaker 1: a year before my sister passed. So they're both gone now. But, 244 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: yeah, there was some pretty well days there. My brother 245 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: in law. 246 00:10:46,610 --> 00:10:49,109 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about that final scene, and 247 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: it's funny. It's funny watching it through. You know, I've 248 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,050 Speaker 2: watched it obviously 100 times when I was growing up 249 00:10:55,059 --> 00:10:57,750 Speaker 2: and then with my kids and watching it through the 250 00:10:57,750 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: lens of political correctness today and you go over there 251 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,990 Speaker 2: was bullying and there was smoking. And there was all 252 00:11:03,990 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: these different things real sexual harassment and all of these things, 253 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,490 Speaker 2: which is exactly real life. Um, 254 00:11:10,059 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: how 255 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,580 Speaker 2: did that come about? That idea of that transformation in 256 00:11:13,580 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: the end and to what you call Sandy to 257 00:11:16,929 --> 00:11:20,030 Speaker 1: the idea was, you know, people have criticised said Well, 258 00:11:20,030 --> 00:11:23,410 Speaker 1: she changed for him and she becomes this and it's 259 00:11:23,410 --> 00:11:26,830 Speaker 1: a movie, and also he changed for her. So he 260 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,349 Speaker 1: let it in sport and wore a Letterman jacket which 261 00:11:29,350 --> 00:11:31,950 Speaker 1: was totally against all his friends and everything that he 262 00:11:31,950 --> 00:11:34,620 Speaker 1: was doing, and she changed for him. 263 00:11:34,770 --> 00:11:37,239 Speaker 1: And then they came together. It was very sweet, actually. 264 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:39,710 Speaker 2: What was it like filming on those? I imagine it 265 00:11:39,710 --> 00:11:40,770 Speaker 2: went over a few days as 266 00:11:40,770 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: well. That was That was a lot of fun. Tell 267 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:44,350 Speaker 1: me about those 268 00:11:44,350 --> 00:11:46,740 Speaker 2: hands. Tell me about the pants. 269 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:50,500 Speaker 1: Well, at the time, we're now in the seventies. Those 270 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: pants are from the fifties. So they were in wardrobe 271 00:11:53,450 --> 00:11:55,970 Speaker 1: and they brought out a whole bunch of clothes and 272 00:11:55,970 --> 00:11:57,569 Speaker 1: things for me to try on. But they just had 273 00:11:57,570 --> 00:12:01,429 Speaker 1: that beautiful. You know, uh, they were sharkskin. Not real shark, 274 00:12:01,429 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: of course, but they called us skin and very thick, 275 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:08,179 Speaker 1: powerful material. But the zip was broken, as you probably know, 276 00:12:08,190 --> 00:12:12,020 Speaker 1: and they didn't wanna risk ruining the whole pants by 277 00:12:12,020 --> 00:12:14,940 Speaker 1: replacing the zip. So it was decided they'd stitch me in, 278 00:12:15,390 --> 00:12:19,340 Speaker 1: so that made it a very interesting What 279 00:12:19,340 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: about the toilet? 280 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:20,660 Speaker 1: I would be 281 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,410 Speaker 2: nervous ways. 282 00:12:22,420 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: No, I had to be unstitched, so I couldn't drink 283 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,730 Speaker 1: a lot. So probably wasn't the best health thing for me, 284 00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:30,310 Speaker 1: But it was only for a few days 285 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: and did it 286 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,689 Speaker 1: makes a good story now. 287 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:37,329 Speaker 2: Did you see the difference in the way the sort 288 00:12:37,330 --> 00:12:39,390 Speaker 2: of the cast and crew looked at you. 289 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,770 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. Because, you know, for like, two months, I'd 290 00:12:41,770 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: been sandy wine and my cute little outfits and, 291 00:12:45,220 --> 00:12:49,819 Speaker 1: you know, and then the night before, we were filming, uh, 292 00:12:49,830 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: the hair and makeup and Albert Wolski, who was the costumer. 293 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,420 Speaker 1: We tried on all these outfits and John was filming. Um, 294 00:12:56,429 --> 00:12:59,510 Speaker 1: he was singing Sandy at the drive in, and I 295 00:12:59,510 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: was there with makeup and hair, and I walked out 296 00:13:02,170 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: just as he was finishing. He stopped singing, stood up 297 00:13:05,370 --> 00:13:08,580 Speaker 1: and everyone just turned around. It was like 298 00:13:09,170 --> 00:13:12,150 Speaker 1: and I went What I've been doing wrong all these months, 299 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,500 Speaker 1: It was very powerful moment for me. He was like, Goodness, 300 00:13:17,510 --> 00:13:21,790 Speaker 1: clothing can make this difference. It's really incredible perceptions people 301 00:13:21,790 --> 00:13:24,140 Speaker 1: have of you because of the way you're dressed. 302 00:13:24,690 --> 00:13:26,660 Speaker 1: Yeah, it happened to me in another movie I made 303 00:13:26,670 --> 00:13:29,970 Speaker 1: called sordid lives where I played a lesbian country and 304 00:13:29,970 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: Western singer. And I had tattoos and I cut my 305 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,250 Speaker 1: hair really short, and I will really daddy clothes and 306 00:13:35,260 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: horrible outfits. And I remember going home dressed like that 307 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:43,220 Speaker 1: once I went into my local chemist to buy something 308 00:13:43,230 --> 00:13:44,329 Speaker 1: and a woman. 309 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:46,270 Speaker 1: We're standing with a little girl and she pulled a 310 00:13:46,270 --> 00:13:48,610 Speaker 1: little girl into her like I was a threat. It 311 00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:51,420 Speaker 1: was hilarious and always remember that. And I thought, You know, 312 00:13:51,420 --> 00:13:53,730 Speaker 1: you can't judge a book by its cover and remember 313 00:13:53,730 --> 00:13:56,729 Speaker 1: that for myself from that time on, very often those 314 00:13:56,730 --> 00:13:59,429 Speaker 1: big guys that look so beef there, the softest, sweetest 315 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,580 Speaker 1: people in the world You know what 316 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:01,700 Speaker 2: was 317 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,459 Speaker 2: like in that time afterwards? I mean, I know that 318 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: now there's the expression shipping, which is relation shipping when fans, um, 319 00:14:10,490 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: try to project relationships that don't exist. And everyone wanted 320 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,590 Speaker 2: you and John Travolta to date, But you never did. 321 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: Why why did you never I'm still shipping you 40 322 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: years later, 323 00:14:23,570 --> 00:14:27,540 Speaker 1: shipping. I've never heard that funny. We were both with 324 00:14:27,540 --> 00:14:29,350 Speaker 1: other people when we were filming, 325 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,890 Speaker 1: and I think respectfully, we just didn't happen. And I 326 00:14:32,890 --> 00:14:33,510 Speaker 1: think 327 00:14:34,030 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: I think it was good because I think it kept 328 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,150 Speaker 1: the tension there in the chemistry. It might have been 329 00:14:39,150 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: a really disaster had we decided to date or we 330 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,970 Speaker 1: had falling out or something. So I think it was 331 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: just 332 00:14:44,930 --> 00:14:47,970 Speaker 1: just as well. It didn't happen. But we're still great friends, 333 00:14:47,980 --> 00:14:50,420 Speaker 2: and not everyone stays friends with the people. They make 334 00:14:50,420 --> 00:14:53,870 Speaker 2: films we've heard it explained that it's quite a almost 335 00:14:53,870 --> 00:14:56,980 Speaker 2: like a summer camp vibe or a holiday romance, and 336 00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:59,850 Speaker 2: then you move on with your lives. But you stayed 337 00:14:59,850 --> 00:15:03,170 Speaker 2: friends with Dede and with John, that friendship seems to 338 00:15:03,170 --> 00:15:04,090 Speaker 2: be really 339 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: still very simple. And Randal Kleiser, the director. In fact, 340 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,990 Speaker 1: I just had dinner with him the other day, so 341 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,450 Speaker 1: it's taken us 40 years to have dinner, he said. 342 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:13,460 Speaker 1: We did it, 343 00:15:13,740 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, I mean those times in your lives 344 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,220 Speaker 1: that are really special. It's lovely to keep contact. I 345 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:23,510 Speaker 1: have friends from childhood and, you know, friends from all 346 00:15:23,510 --> 00:15:24,500 Speaker 1: my life. 347 00:15:24,510 --> 00:15:28,910 Speaker 2: Xanadu was an incredible film. I love. She loved Greece. 348 00:15:28,910 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: Oh my God. My family went on a long trip 349 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,780 Speaker 2: around Australia for six weeks, and the only tape that 350 00:15:33,780 --> 00:15:38,530 Speaker 2: we had was so my whole family knows every lyric 351 00:15:38,540 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 2: as we drove through the 352 00:15:39,695 --> 00:15:43,815 Speaker 2: yeah back. I've got such strong memories. That film was crazy, 353 00:15:43,825 --> 00:15:45,635 Speaker 2: like when you looked at when you look at it 354 00:15:45,635 --> 00:15:47,865 Speaker 2: on paper and you go you know, it's roller skating 355 00:15:47,865 --> 00:15:50,385 Speaker 2: and it's fantasy, and it's Gene Kelly is in it. 356 00:15:50,385 --> 00:15:52,915 Speaker 2: And how did you say yes to that? How did 357 00:15:52,915 --> 00:15:54,935 Speaker 2: you decide to do that film? 358 00:15:55,510 --> 00:15:59,430 Speaker 1: Well, I've been looking for something, and, um, 359 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,900 Speaker 1: this one had. I liked the idea of the muse, 360 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:05,830 Speaker 1: and I like the idea of L. O and John 361 00:16:05,830 --> 00:16:10,570 Speaker 1: Farah writing the music. So the script was never really finished, 362 00:16:11,610 --> 00:16:14,890 Speaker 1: and it was kind of written as we went along, 363 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:17,830 Speaker 1: which is, I think, the one fall. That's where it 364 00:16:17,830 --> 00:16:20,770 Speaker 1: fell down somehow. But I think the music and the 365 00:16:20,770 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: dancing was years beyond ahead of its time. Kenny Ortega, 366 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: who was the choreographer who was Michael Jackson's choreographer, and 367 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,350 Speaker 1: I worked with him for many years, but he's incredibly 368 00:16:30,350 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: brilliant and famous choreographer, but he was kind of starting 369 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:34,140 Speaker 1: out then, 370 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:36,870 Speaker 1: and he brought on all these street dancers and people 371 00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:40,030 Speaker 1: doing all the things they're doing now. He had them 372 00:16:40,030 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: doing 30 years ago, whatever 373 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,150 Speaker 2: it was. And roller skates, 374 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,140 Speaker 1: roller skates. Yeah, I had to learn that. That was 375 00:16:47,770 --> 00:16:50,790 Speaker 1: That was not one of my more pleasurable memories, because 376 00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: I broke my tailbone right when we were filming? Um, yes. 377 00:16:55,250 --> 00:16:57,590 Speaker 1: And I had to And I'm one of those as 378 00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:59,860 Speaker 1: I talk in the book a lot about the show 379 00:16:59,860 --> 00:17:03,170 Speaker 1: must go on and continue, no matter what. So I 380 00:17:03,170 --> 00:17:05,530 Speaker 1: was sitting on a nice doughnut a lot 381 00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:06,410 Speaker 2: like 382 00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:07,970 Speaker 1: 20 takes. Oh, yeah, 383 00:17:07,980 --> 00:17:09,180 Speaker 2: Get a bit further back was 384 00:17:09,180 --> 00:17:11,030 Speaker 1: excruciating. Yeah. 385 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,810 Speaker 2: You met your first husband, Matt Lattanzi, on the set. 386 00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:17,500 Speaker 2: He was a younger man. Yes, he was 20 when 387 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: you met? Yes. Was that a big deal back then? 388 00:17:20,930 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: Um, I think it probably was more of a big 389 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,830 Speaker 1: deal then That it is now. Yeah, we kept it 390 00:17:26,830 --> 00:17:30,090 Speaker 1: quiet until the movie was done because we wanted privacy. 391 00:17:30,090 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm always, always trying to have my privacy, but he 392 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,330 Speaker 1: was a breath of fresh air. He was just very sweet, 393 00:17:35,340 --> 00:17:35,750 Speaker 1: and 394 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: he wasn't sure Beers and he was in Hollywood and 395 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:42,100 Speaker 1: we'd go camping and fishing and walking. And it was 396 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:45,010 Speaker 1: just about the outdoors and natural life in a big family. 397 00:17:45,010 --> 00:17:45,580 Speaker 1: So 398 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:48,270 Speaker 1: I forgot. I think I was just immature was probably 399 00:17:48,270 --> 00:17:49,450 Speaker 1: his age. Really. 400 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,190 Speaker 2: It must have been important to have someone who wasn't 401 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,210 Speaker 2: swayed by the fame and the bright lights 402 00:17:57,730 --> 00:17:58,990 Speaker 2: and kept you grounded. 403 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,510 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had. We had fun together and a beautiful child. 404 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:06,090 Speaker 1: Which was that was the gift from that relationship. A 405 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: good dad for your, for your daughter. It's funny through 406 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,230 Speaker 2: the book, both of your husbands, apart from being ridiculously 407 00:18:13,230 --> 00:18:16,850 Speaker 2: good looking very grounded in nature 408 00:18:16,859 --> 00:18:17,859 Speaker 1: you very much 409 00:18:17,869 --> 00:18:21,659 Speaker 2: for time. I remember reading. Was Matt living in a teepee? 410 00:18:21,670 --> 00:18:22,810 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was on T. P. 411 00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:25,750 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very into nature. 412 00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:29,380 Speaker 2: And something I didn't know about you is about miscarriages. 413 00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:31,450 Speaker 2: You know, I think it's funny. Every woman has a 414 00:18:31,450 --> 00:18:34,770 Speaker 2: gynaecological history, but back then, that was not something that 415 00:18:34,770 --> 00:18:39,830 Speaker 2: anybody spoke about. Um, really know. So how did you 416 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:40,900 Speaker 2: get through that? 417 00:18:40,910 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I I got pregnant pretty soon after we 418 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,590 Speaker 1: got married, because that time was ahead racing ahead. And 419 00:18:46,590 --> 00:18:49,609 Speaker 1: I was 37 when I had Chloe. So, you know, 420 00:18:49,609 --> 00:18:51,350 Speaker 1: I lost a few after her, and, 421 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,570 Speaker 1: you know, it's like anything you you grieve. It's a loss. 422 00:18:55,580 --> 00:19:01,570 Speaker 1: It's a death. Um, yeah. It's like many women go 423 00:19:01,570 --> 00:19:03,930 Speaker 1: through it, and I think nature has a purpose for it. 424 00:19:03,940 --> 00:19:07,350 Speaker 1: Usually there's something wrong and nature knows, and I think 425 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,859 Speaker 1: if you can come to terms with that. And you 426 00:19:09,859 --> 00:19:11,389 Speaker 1: just have to be grateful. Really? 427 00:19:12,010 --> 00:19:15,580 Speaker 2: The day that you gave birth, Khloe came early. Yeah, 428 00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 2: it wasn't part of the plan. 429 00:19:16,930 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: You talk 430 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,970 Speaker 2: about how calm you were. And then you went to 431 00:19:19,970 --> 00:19:22,690 Speaker 2: the hospital and epidural went wrong. 432 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:25,410 Speaker 1: Well, I I was It didn't. It's not a natural 433 00:19:25,410 --> 00:19:30,230 Speaker 1: thing to do. And anything to do with anaesthesia is dangerous. 434 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: And in the spine. To me, it was horror was 435 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,290 Speaker 1: kind of I really didn't want it. But in the end, 436 00:19:36,290 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: I had to have it, Um, 437 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:42,300 Speaker 1: and it went wrong. And maybe maybe it was my fault. 438 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: Maybe I projected it. I don't know that. You know, 439 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,330 Speaker 1: sometimes the very things you're afraid of you can make 440 00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:50,380 Speaker 1: them happen to. So I suffered with that for, like, 441 00:19:50,380 --> 00:19:52,580 Speaker 1: seven years afterwards. Because 442 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:54,409 Speaker 2: your spinal cord Yeah, 443 00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:57,889 Speaker 1: Yeah, he punctured my spinal cord. So he did something wrong. 444 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:02,110 Speaker 1: And, uh, anyway, I'm here. I'm fine. And I'm sure 445 00:20:02,109 --> 00:20:04,500 Speaker 1: they're much better at it now than back then. 446 00:20:04,510 --> 00:20:08,619 Speaker 2: You had some beautiful years with Chloe, and your best 447 00:20:08,619 --> 00:20:11,380 Speaker 2: friend had a daughter at the same time. Nazi. She 448 00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: had a little girl called college. Who is your God daughter? 449 00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:17,990 Speaker 2: And there are a few years in your I think, 450 00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:19,150 Speaker 2: mid forties that were 451 00:20:19,150 --> 00:20:20,030 Speaker 1: just 452 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,330 Speaker 2: one blow after another. And you you write about them 453 00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:26,629 Speaker 2: really movingly in the book collect got cancer. She got 454 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:27,980 Speaker 2: to her and her kidneys, and 455 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:34,450 Speaker 2: she ended up not surviving. And your father passed away. 456 00:20:34,460 --> 00:20:37,410 Speaker 2: And then you discovered that you had breast cancer. 457 00:20:39,609 --> 00:20:41,700 Speaker 2: How did you get through those years? 458 00:20:41,710 --> 00:20:44,990 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you have to. And I think when 459 00:20:44,990 --> 00:20:49,100 Speaker 1: you're faced with those things, most people pull their socks 460 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:52,420 Speaker 1: up and you have to have a young child. I 461 00:20:52,420 --> 00:20:56,290 Speaker 1: had much to live for. Uh, couldn't say I complain 462 00:20:56,290 --> 00:20:59,429 Speaker 1: about my life, but I think nobody escapes without something 463 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,450 Speaker 1: in their life. Just for me. It all happened. A 464 00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:04,889 Speaker 1: lot of things happen together, but that also seems to 465 00:21:04,890 --> 00:21:07,700 Speaker 1: happen a lot that things come in threes for me. 466 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:08,550 Speaker 1: They come in threes, 467 00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: Um, and you just plot on, you know, and I've 468 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: always been pretty positive person and believed that either is 469 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,140 Speaker 1: for a reason or 470 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:21,300 Speaker 1: whatever, and I think it was for a reason Had 471 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:24,510 Speaker 1: I not gone through that experience, I probably never would 472 00:21:24,510 --> 00:21:26,420 Speaker 1: have got involved in a cancer on a centre like 473 00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:28,850 Speaker 1: I did, because it wouldn't have had the same meaning 474 00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:32,859 Speaker 1: to me. So it gave me a purpose. And, um, 475 00:21:32,869 --> 00:21:36,070 Speaker 1: you know, losing a parent. Everyone goes through losing a parent. 476 00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: We're all going to die at some point. So there's, 477 00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:41,090 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of coming to terms with 478 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:43,260 Speaker 1: a lot of things from that experience. 479 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:44,370 Speaker 2: And then your marriage broke 480 00:21:44,369 --> 00:21:45,090 Speaker 1: down 481 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:47,930 Speaker 2: and you write about how 482 00:21:48,130 --> 00:21:50,460 Speaker 2: you think if it hadn't been for the breast cancer, 483 00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:52,900 Speaker 2: probably it would have ended a bit earlier. But he 484 00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:56,090 Speaker 2: seems like a very loyal and he was committed and 485 00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 2: you guys got through it what struck me as well 486 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: as the way you talk about your divorce in your 487 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: separation and the way you were both. How did you 488 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: How did you handle that? 489 00:22:05,050 --> 00:22:07,740 Speaker 1: Well, we had made because I was older. 490 00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:10,820 Speaker 1: I think I always had a maybe a slight knowing 491 00:22:10,820 --> 00:22:13,429 Speaker 1: that may not last forever because he was going to 492 00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:16,270 Speaker 1: get to his manhood and, you know, it's kind of 493 00:22:16,270 --> 00:22:18,929 Speaker 1: normal that he might want to explore life or it 494 00:22:18,930 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: may not work. I didn't want that to happen. But 495 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,020 Speaker 1: I think in the back of my mind, maybe there 496 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:27,250 Speaker 1: was a knowingness. So we made a promise to each 497 00:22:27,250 --> 00:22:31,790 Speaker 1: other that if anything happened between us that we wouldn't 498 00:22:31,790 --> 00:22:33,419 Speaker 1: let our door to become the 499 00:22:33,690 --> 00:22:35,890 Speaker 1: the tool in the middle of our divorce, like we'd 500 00:22:35,890 --> 00:22:40,710 Speaker 1: watched other people use their kids as the bartering tool 501 00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:43,570 Speaker 1: and make the kids suffer. So we said no. Whatever happens, 502 00:22:43,580 --> 00:22:46,030 Speaker 1: she has access to you as much as she wants, 503 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,740 Speaker 1: and we'll try and be civil with each other because 504 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:51,619 Speaker 1: it's not fair on the kids. I've been through divorce. 505 00:22:51,619 --> 00:22:55,070 Speaker 1: He hadn't. My parents were divorced, and I really you know, 506 00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: sometimes that's another thing. 507 00:22:56,770 --> 00:22:59,189 Speaker 1: Our divorce was around the same time as my parents divorced. 508 00:22:59,190 --> 00:23:03,700 Speaker 1: So sometimes you unknowingly repeat patterns in your family. Do 509 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,060 Speaker 2: you mean your clothes around the same age that you 510 00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:07,859 Speaker 2: have been when your parents were divorced? 511 00:23:07,869 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: That's so true 512 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,619 Speaker 2: about repeating patterns, and you did do it very differently. 513 00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:13,889 Speaker 1: I did it differently, 514 00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:17,379 Speaker 2: and you sat down with you, said a female judge 515 00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:21,420 Speaker 2: in your home and sorted through it yes, very quietly 516 00:23:21,420 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: without drama, without 517 00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:26,190 Speaker 1: the kitchen table. Basically, yeah, 518 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,109 Speaker 2: and before uh, you lost your God daughter. You had 519 00:23:31,109 --> 00:23:34,330 Speaker 2: planned to adopt. Yes, you and Matt tell me about 520 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:37,790 Speaker 1: that We planned to adopt and I had gone to 521 00:23:37,790 --> 00:23:40,340 Speaker 1: Rome to do a television show called That was really ill. 522 00:23:40,350 --> 00:23:43,050 Speaker 1: And I hadn't with me a suitcase. I was going 523 00:23:43,050 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: to go to Romania because I had met this woman 524 00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:48,250 Speaker 1: who had adopted a child from Romania. And there was 525 00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: a lot of Children at that time in orphanages was 526 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: very on the news in America. And I thought, There's 527 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,250 Speaker 1: some child out there, needs a home 528 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,350 Speaker 1: And I wanted to have a sibling and I wasn't 529 00:23:59,350 --> 00:24:00,949 Speaker 1: going to be able to have any more Children. 530 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,430 Speaker 1: And then when I was in Spain, I got the word, uh, 531 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,550 Speaker 1: sad music collected past, and I just went home. So 532 00:24:09,550 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: that whole idea went out the window and there's no 533 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,340 Speaker 1: way I was going to replace that. It wasn't the 534 00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:17,070 Speaker 1: time to adopt a child. And we're grieving like that. 535 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,250 Speaker 2: I think every woman comes to a time when she 536 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:22,260 Speaker 2: has to accept that her years of being a mother 537 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:24,370 Speaker 2: to a young child or a baby behind her 538 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,700 Speaker 2: yours was obviously made even more complicated by losing Colette. 539 00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:31,750 Speaker 2: How did you sort of process that over time 540 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: you just do you know there's no there's no set 541 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,140 Speaker 1: rules or ways you just you just get on with 542 00:24:39,140 --> 00:24:42,939 Speaker 1: it and work through it and, uh, got Chloe as 543 00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:45,429 Speaker 1: much help as I could because she was very, very young. 544 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,190 Speaker 1: But I know it had an impact on her like 545 00:24:48,190 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: it did on all of us. And I think maybe 546 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,430 Speaker 1: we didn't 547 00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:54,129 Speaker 1: realised how much of an impact it had on her 548 00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: at the time because we're on so much grief and 549 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,770 Speaker 1: then Nancy, I mean, I don't think I mentioned that 550 00:24:58,780 --> 00:25:01,429 Speaker 1: she lost her brother soon after that and there were 551 00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:06,940 Speaker 1: so many things happening. It was almost overwhelmed. But luckily 552 00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:08,419 Speaker 1: I had my work and I had my animals, and 553 00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:10,550 Speaker 1: I had my daughter and my husband and I had 554 00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:13,310 Speaker 1: a fantastic life, so I had things to focus on 555 00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:17,410 Speaker 1: that were positive when we started Sorry, and we started 556 00:25:17,410 --> 00:25:20,700 Speaker 1: the Children's Health Environmental Coalition in her memory. 557 00:25:21,010 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: I started that with Nancy and Jim to help educate 558 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: parents to the importance of toxic free homes, and they 559 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,290 Speaker 1: were the first people to really do that and you 560 00:25:30,290 --> 00:25:34,550 Speaker 1: know the toxicity, causing cancer and childhood illnesses and things. 561 00:25:34,550 --> 00:25:37,370 Speaker 1: So it was important. So we made something positive out 562 00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:38,820 Speaker 1: of something really negative 563 00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:49,970 Speaker 2: when you were diagnosed with breast cancer. I don't remember 564 00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:53,409 Speaker 2: a celebrity ever coming out and talking about having breast 565 00:25:53,410 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: cancer before. I feel like you were the first 566 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: before 567 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: it went public. What was that? Actual day like that? 568 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,220 Speaker 2: You discovered the lump because you said you discovered lumps before. 569 00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: I just remember that I found alarming. It didn't feel right. 570 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,909 Speaker 1: It was a little tender. Even though they tell you 571 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,740 Speaker 2: what did it feel? 572 00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:11,869 Speaker 1: Usually it's not sensitive, but to me it was. What 573 00:26:11,869 --> 00:26:12,330 Speaker 1: does it feel 574 00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:13,930 Speaker 2: like? They say It feels like a P. 575 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:16,690 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's probably a little was probably a little 576 00:26:16,690 --> 00:26:18,530 Speaker 1: bigger than a pea, but it was like a P. 577 00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:20,780 Speaker 1: You're like a little hard lump in there. 578 00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:24,060 Speaker 1: In fact, I, because they have experienced I got involved 579 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: with something called the Live Kit. Is it live kid 580 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,900 Speaker 1: in Australia? I think it is, and it's a self 581 00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: breast examination tool that helps you decipher lumps in your 582 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,460 Speaker 1: body more easily in your breast more easily. It makes 583 00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:36,770 Speaker 1: them feel bigger. So anyway, because I want women to 584 00:26:36,770 --> 00:26:38,780 Speaker 1: self examine and not to rely on the doctor every 585 00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:40,750 Speaker 1: six months because he doesn't know your body, You know, 586 00:26:40,750 --> 00:26:41,310 Speaker 1: your body 587 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,070 Speaker 2: and you're doing a self examination that? 588 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,070 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I found it and, um, 589 00:26:46,619 --> 00:26:49,870 Speaker 1: went to the doctor and he did a He sent 590 00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:52,659 Speaker 1: me down for a mammogram which didn't show anything. And 591 00:26:52,660 --> 00:26:56,420 Speaker 1: then a needle biopsy, which didn't show anything. So he 592 00:26:56,430 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: I said, there's something I just knew there was something wrong. 593 00:26:59,119 --> 00:26:59,699 Speaker 1: So he didn't 594 00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:01,450 Speaker 2: make it because I didn't 595 00:27:01,450 --> 00:27:05,270 Speaker 1: feel right. And I think you have to trust that 596 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,810 Speaker 1: I was really tired. 597 00:27:07,910 --> 00:27:10,980 Speaker 1: I was just, you know, you just know. I don't 598 00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:13,510 Speaker 1: know how. He explained, you have an instinct about your body, 599 00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: and you need to listen to it. So 600 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,990 Speaker 2: you asked for more tests? 601 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,669 Speaker 1: Yeah. So he did a surgical biopsy that day, and 602 00:27:19,670 --> 00:27:22,010 Speaker 1: then I had to leave because my father was dying 603 00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:23,370 Speaker 1: and I had to leave to go see him. And 604 00:27:23,369 --> 00:27:26,390 Speaker 1: I still had just had the surgery, Didn't tell him. 605 00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:29,490 Speaker 1: So it was all, you know, again, all these things 606 00:27:29,490 --> 00:27:30,820 Speaker 1: come filing on top of each other. 607 00:27:31,810 --> 00:27:35,210 Speaker 2: And then what was the period between you finding out 608 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:38,730 Speaker 2: and realising that you had to announce it publicly? 609 00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:43,340 Speaker 1: Well, the reason I announced it publicly is because one 610 00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:47,290 Speaker 1: of those, you know, national inquiry type of magazines had 611 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: got wind of it. I think someone at the imaging 612 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: place had contacted them and they were going to write 613 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,510 Speaker 1: a story, Uh, that I was dying, you know, kind 614 00:27:56,510 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: of similar to what's happening now. So, um, I decided 615 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,090 Speaker 1: to do an article and talk about it because I 616 00:28:03,090 --> 00:28:04,430 Speaker 1: didn't want my family, 617 00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:08,270 Speaker 1: um, reading about it before I had a chance to 618 00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:11,260 Speaker 1: tell them what was going on. So we decided to Yes, 619 00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: just make a clean breast of it, excuse the pun 620 00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: and discuss it and tell me what was going on 621 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,420 Speaker 1: so that there'd be no secrets or, you know, that's 622 00:28:21,420 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: really how that happened. 623 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:26,020 Speaker 2: So it was not your timetable it was, for it 624 00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:27,730 Speaker 2: was almost forced upon. I 625 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:30,290 Speaker 1: hadn't planned on it, but I'm actually grateful that happened 626 00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:34,070 Speaker 1: because it gave me an opportunity to talk about something 627 00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:36,430 Speaker 1: that was a little taboo. It was taboo to me. 628 00:28:36,430 --> 00:28:39,610 Speaker 1: I mean, to think about going on television and talking 629 00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: about my breasts and lumps, and in the beginning it 630 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: was really awkward. 631 00:28:43,270 --> 00:28:45,340 Speaker 1: You know, time has gone on now. So many years 632 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:47,390 Speaker 1: have gone by that now it's quite normal. 633 00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: You have friends 634 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,510 Speaker 1: and walks, but at the time I was one of 635 00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: the first. I think there was another girl in show business, Jill, 636 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: someone who'd gone through it before. But I was probably 637 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,469 Speaker 1: the first. 638 00:28:57,090 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: You come out of it internationally, I think. 639 00:28:59,730 --> 00:29:04,410 Speaker 2: And what's it like? I mean, you've got these two tracks. Obviously, 640 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:07,750 Speaker 2: you've got your own feelings about it and then having 641 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:10,300 Speaker 2: to deal with everyone else's feelings about it. And I 642 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: see this in many people I know who have cancer, 643 00:29:15,050 --> 00:29:17,820 Speaker 2: and other people's feelings can be a burden. I can't 644 00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: imagine what laying fame over all of that is also like, 645 00:29:22,570 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: How do you deal with those two different tracks? 646 00:29:25,050 --> 00:29:28,020 Speaker 1: Well, what I did and I recommend this to all 647 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:28,510 Speaker 1: women 648 00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: or men who are listening, who have an illness, whether 649 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,170 Speaker 1: it be breast cancer or whatever it is, find somebody 650 00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:37,500 Speaker 1: else to do the talking to your friends, because what 651 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:40,650 Speaker 1: I found was I'd go to tell a friend and 652 00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: they burst into tears and you go, Oh, no, I 653 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,990 Speaker 1: don't need that. I need support. So I engaged a 654 00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:52,030 Speaker 1: couple of girlfriends, um, to speak to my friends and 655 00:29:52,030 --> 00:29:53,980 Speaker 1: be the layers of what was going on So I 656 00:29:53,980 --> 00:29:55,190 Speaker 1: could just live my life 657 00:29:55,340 --> 00:29:59,130 Speaker 1: and dedicate that time to meditation or doing a yoga 658 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:01,219 Speaker 1: class or going for a walk or being in nature, 659 00:30:01,220 --> 00:30:03,300 Speaker 1: which is my favourite thing or being with my animals. 660 00:30:03,310 --> 00:30:06,530 Speaker 1: So I didn't have to perpetually be talking about a 661 00:30:06,530 --> 00:30:10,130 Speaker 1: myself and be my illness. And I think it's not healthy. 662 00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:13,550 Speaker 1: It just keeps you in that sick mode, you know, 663 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,570 Speaker 2: and then the fame side with with strangers wanting to 664 00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:20,010 Speaker 2: talk to you about it. What was that 665 00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:26,900 Speaker 1: like? Well, most of those people are really positive and, uh, sensitive. 666 00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:28,260 Speaker 1: There are people now again who, 667 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,150 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's deliberate, but they want to 668 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: quote you facts about how many people have died of this. 669 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,850 Speaker 1: And when I know that's helpful, I really wanna or 670 00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:39,050 Speaker 2: do they say I've got this treatment. If you just 671 00:30:39,050 --> 00:30:42,050 Speaker 2: rub tumeric on your pulse points 672 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:44,230 Speaker 1: and all those things I listened to because I believe 673 00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:47,750 Speaker 1: in natural therapies. And that's what I'm doing now, back then, 674 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:52,060 Speaker 1: I did chemotherapy and, um, didn't again. Didn't want to, 675 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:55,030 Speaker 1: but I did it. Um, But 676 00:30:55,540 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: you almost like yourself out of it, didn't you? 677 00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:59,730 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was again. Afraid. 678 00:30:59,730 --> 00:31:00,690 Speaker 2: What were you so scared 679 00:31:00,690 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: of? I thought that they put the needle in. I 680 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: was going to die. That was just my vision. I'm 681 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,430 Speaker 1: going to be the 682 00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:08,910 Speaker 2: first person who is meant to work the other way. 683 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,010 Speaker 1: Anyway, that was my I don't like 684 00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:16,230 Speaker 1: medicine. I don't like those things. So they just kind 685 00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:18,770 Speaker 1: of freaked me out. My mother never took an aspirin, 686 00:31:18,770 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: and she was that kind of person. So I grew 687 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,650 Speaker 1: up in that kind of natural household. 688 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:27,940 Speaker 2: So you had a mastectomy and chemo the first time, 689 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:30,210 Speaker 2: and you write about how there were people outside your 690 00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: house shouting at you to try meditation. 691 00:31:32,530 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: Yes. Actually, that was a good idea. I did 692 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: it, 693 00:31:36,410 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: uh, possess someone to come and shout about what treatment 694 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,260 Speaker 2: someone else should have. 695 00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:45,140 Speaker 1: It's funny, isn't remember this guy pulling up in my 696 00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:46,250 Speaker 1: at my gate 697 00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: in I think a limo and opening the limo and 698 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,550 Speaker 1: ringing the bell. And I had security at that time 699 00:31:52,550 --> 00:31:54,460 Speaker 1: because it was my Britney Day, as I call it, 700 00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:55,750 Speaker 1: and 701 00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:59,450 Speaker 1: shouting out Oh, you should just do tm and all 702 00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:02,650 Speaker 1: this stuff. And I remember it, actually. And 703 00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:05,190 Speaker 1: I did it, actually, And it was a good thing. 704 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,050 Speaker 2: Like thanks for that. 705 00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:08,100 Speaker 1: It wasn't really because of him, but it was something 706 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:09,730 Speaker 1: I was doing anyway. But 707 00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: I'm already on it. 708 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,660 Speaker 1: The feeling I mean, the meaning was well, meaning. Tell 709 00:32:14,660 --> 00:32:16,710 Speaker 2: me about the Britney days. I love that you describe 710 00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: it like that. Why do you describe him as your 711 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,390 Speaker 2: Britney days? 712 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,650 Speaker 1: Well, because that was my, you know, physical and Greece. 713 00:32:23,650 --> 00:32:23,990 Speaker 1: And 714 00:32:24,170 --> 00:32:26,590 Speaker 1: I was I mean, it wasn't the tabloids like now. 715 00:32:26,590 --> 00:32:28,470 Speaker 1: And it wasn't social media like now, But 716 00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:29,500 Speaker 2: it wasn't TMZ. 717 00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: No, they weren't following you like that. I mean, it 718 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,460 Speaker 1: was a certain amount of it, but nothing like I 719 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: used to get upset if they took a picture of 720 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,540 Speaker 1: me over the fence or something in Australia. But, 721 00:32:39,070 --> 00:32:43,250 Speaker 1: um, nothing compared to the stuff they do now. But 722 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:46,270 Speaker 1: it was my big time. So that's what I call 723 00:32:46,270 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: it that 724 00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:50,460 Speaker 2: physical? I was just watched it again this morning. God, 725 00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:55,150 Speaker 2: that was a brilliant video. But also really strange. Yeah, 726 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,350 Speaker 2: it starts with this sort of almost home. I was watching. 727 00:32:58,350 --> 00:33:00,530 Speaker 2: I was going. This is quite homoerotic. Before I watched 728 00:33:00,530 --> 00:33:02,410 Speaker 2: the end of it all These like, buff guy 729 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,170 Speaker 2: guys doing, you know, working out, and you and I 730 00:33:06,170 --> 00:33:09,370 Speaker 2: was like, Gosh, this is so interesting. Male sexuality and 731 00:33:09,370 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 2: women sort of ogling men is never portrayed in music videos. 732 00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:16,050 Speaker 2: So it was really progressive. And you had your short 733 00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: hair and you had your aerobics outfit. And then they became, like, 734 00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: contestants on the biggest loser Cut to that. And then 735 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: you were in a shower. You came back and the 736 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: guys were hot again. 737 00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:31,469 Speaker 2: And then the guys just walk off holding hands at 738 00:33:31,470 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: the 739 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,030 Speaker 1: end. Gay. 740 00:33:33,030 --> 00:33:36,110 Speaker 2: And it was, like, very subversive, like in that time. 741 00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:38,070 Speaker 2: And you say in the book, you didn't really think 742 00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:40,490 Speaker 2: anything of it. Like when you read this video treatment. 743 00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:43,550 Speaker 2: Did you think Oh, this is a bit risque. 744 00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:47,420 Speaker 1: The song I thought it was more risky. The video 745 00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:48,820 Speaker 1: was supposed to solve that 746 00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:49,420 Speaker 2: problem, 747 00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:52,780 Speaker 1: and I think he did in a way because he 748 00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:54,890 Speaker 1: kind of took it off in another area. 749 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:55,900 Speaker 2: And it was kind of funny. 750 00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: It was funny. And I have no problem. You know, lovers, 751 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,930 Speaker 1: lovers to me. I don't care about that. My friends 752 00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: were Gaiser who cared, so I thought it was funny. But, 753 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,770 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not 99% of the country, so I 754 00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:10,950 Speaker 1: got banned in Utah, I think where I shot my concert, 755 00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:13,020 Speaker 1: which was really funny. Um, 756 00:34:13,410 --> 00:34:14,029 Speaker 1: but 757 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,650 Speaker 2: because of the gay part, 758 00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:17,830 Speaker 1: No, no, just because it 759 00:34:17,830 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: was too rude. The lyrics 760 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: to Naughty. Yes. And I must say, I was I 761 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,689 Speaker 1: was freaked out about the song after I recorded it. Yeah, 762 00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:27,410 Speaker 1: and said to my manager again, another thing I was 763 00:34:27,410 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: scared off. I think I've gone too far. I think 764 00:34:29,890 --> 00:34:33,430 Speaker 1: we need to do a video about exercise to kind of, 765 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,140 Speaker 1: you know, take the focus off those lyrics. And then, 766 00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:38,630 Speaker 1: of course, I made it even bigger. 767 00:34:39,170 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, 768 00:34:40,150 --> 00:34:43,430 Speaker 1: I should have bought shares in Spandex is all I'm saying. 769 00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:47,290 Speaker 1: And headbands. I was too late. Jane Fonda did it. 770 00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:50,340 Speaker 2: That was that. That was the time, wasn't it? And 771 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 2: then the beautiful ending with the twist where you go 772 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,150 Speaker 2: off with the big guy and you find love with 773 00:34:55,150 --> 00:34:58,670 Speaker 2: him with the tennis rackets over your shoulders. I love that. 774 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,290 Speaker 2: So they were your Britney days, and then you didn't 775 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,950 Speaker 2: You didn't 776 00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:05,980 Speaker 1: tell 777 00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:09,859 Speaker 2: people When the cancer came back. Your sister was unwell. She, 778 00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:11,989 Speaker 2: um And you were visiting her in hospital. You had 779 00:35:11,989 --> 00:35:13,730 Speaker 2: a car accident and 780 00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:14,900 Speaker 1: she was at home. She was at 781 00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: home and you ended up getting a lump on your shoulder, 782 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,589 Speaker 2: which you would have thought 783 00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:22,650 Speaker 2: It's just from the car accident, but it turned out 784 00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 2: not to be 785 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,830 Speaker 1: that I don't know which came first, the chicken or 786 00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: the egg. But I think the I very much believe 787 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,220 Speaker 1: in illness and emotional attachment to and trauma to illness, 788 00:35:33,219 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: which has actually been proven quite a lot. And I've 789 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: always followed Louise hay, you know, familiar with the house. Yeah, and, uh, 790 00:35:39,850 --> 00:35:42,150 Speaker 1: you know, emotions and illness and how they tie together 791 00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:43,950 Speaker 1: very often. And stress, particularly, 792 00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:47,890 Speaker 1: can be really bad, particularly with cancer. But you want 793 00:35:47,890 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: to try and stay as stress free as you can. 794 00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: So I think all those things plus the hit 795 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,810 Speaker 1: Yeah. 796 00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:57,700 Speaker 2: You've already met your second husband by then. How did 797 00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:58,940 Speaker 2: you and John mate 798 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:04,140 Speaker 1: the first time? Yeah, the very first time. Uh, he 799 00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:08,450 Speaker 1: was doing a talk on the Amazon rainforest because he 800 00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: spent 30 years in the Amazon and bringing plants and 801 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,370 Speaker 1: natural therapies and herbs back from the Amazon and started 802 00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:20,100 Speaker 1: a company which is a fascinating book in itself. And 803 00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: I was interested in that. And my girlfriend, Nancy and 804 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,310 Speaker 1: Jim went to a health show where he was distributing 805 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,340 Speaker 1: his hopes and giving out samples, 806 00:36:29,590 --> 00:36:31,370 Speaker 1: and they were standing in line. She thought it was 807 00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:34,550 Speaker 1: for ice cream and ended up being for his herbs. 808 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,930 Speaker 1: And she had her mother with her, who was at 809 00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:39,990 Speaker 1: the time in her eighties, and they took samples of 810 00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:42,370 Speaker 1: his herbs. I think they were liquids at the time, 811 00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: and she went home and cleaned out a whole closet 812 00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 1: and woke up the next morning and said to Nancy, 813 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,860 Speaker 1: I want to go back again, meet that guy and 814 00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:51,219 Speaker 1: I want more of those herbs because I felt so 815 00:36:51,219 --> 00:36:55,339 Speaker 1: good so that they became friends. And then Jim ended 816 00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:57,900 Speaker 1: up district being a distributor of John's products 817 00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: and He was doing a truck on the rainforest, and 818 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,030 Speaker 1: they invited me to come. Listen, 819 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,580 Speaker 1: so I was very impressed with him, but I had 820 00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:08,130 Speaker 1: no thoughts on him. Other than that, he was really 821 00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:12,339 Speaker 1: clever and very knowledgeable about the rainforest and the Amazon. 822 00:37:12,340 --> 00:37:14,070 Speaker 1: And that was very interesting to me. But he's so 823 00:37:14,070 --> 00:37:15,210 Speaker 1: good looking. He was Could 824 00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:16,350 Speaker 2: you have had any thought? 825 00:37:16,350 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: He was a businessman. I had no Oh, 826 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,250 Speaker 2: yeah, But he was like a hippie businessman. Like he 827 00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:25,310 Speaker 2: was very grounded in nature. And babe 828 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,510 Speaker 1: he was. And 829 00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:27,780 Speaker 2: he said he had you 830 00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:29,660 Speaker 1: doing about what's it called again? 831 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,010 Speaker 1: What's that thing you said you were doing? 832 00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:36,900 Speaker 2: Cutting grass? Oh, shipping, shipping, shipping to ship you 833 00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:37,979 Speaker 1: got there. I got 834 00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 2: eventually. You know, 835 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,890 Speaker 1: I was slow. I was slow. So was he. He 836 00:37:41,890 --> 00:37:44,350 Speaker 1: saw me. OK, this is funny. My mother used to 837 00:37:44,350 --> 00:37:47,219 Speaker 1: say to me, Darling, you should marry a businessman. That 838 00:37:47,219 --> 00:37:49,180 Speaker 1: was her whole thing. She 839 00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:50,380 Speaker 2: was German. I love 840 00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:53,140 Speaker 1: you Should know your business, man. I said, Mama, Businessman, 841 00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:55,550 Speaker 1: What would I have in common with the businessman? You know, 842 00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:57,860 Speaker 1: someone in the business who understands what I do. So 843 00:37:57,870 --> 00:37:59,180 Speaker 1: I had No, 844 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: it didn't occur to me at all. So, um, now 845 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,710 Speaker 1: I've lost where I was. Totally. So 846 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 2: your mother said marry a businessman? 847 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,010 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now she was gone by the time I met John, unfortunately, 848 00:38:11,020 --> 00:38:13,780 Speaker 1: because she would have loved him. But 849 00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:16,570 Speaker 1: so when I first met him, I thought he was handsome, 850 00:38:16,570 --> 00:38:18,460 Speaker 1: But I was married at that time. So, you know, 851 00:38:18,460 --> 00:38:23,230 Speaker 1: I wasn't looking sideways. I was married and he thought 852 00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:26,130 Speaker 1: I was just some Hollywood chick. He didn't know my music. 853 00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:28,450 Speaker 1: He'd never seen Greece. He'd never 854 00:38:28,450 --> 00:38:29,610 Speaker 2: seen Greece. 855 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: And when you ask him, he goes. So I was 856 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,270 Speaker 1: in the Amazon, up up the river, in a canoe. 857 00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:35,310 Speaker 1: He had no clue. So 858 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,270 Speaker 2: So you don't You know who I am? You couldn't 859 00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 2: even do that. That would ever be your style. 860 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,410 Speaker 1: That's not my soul. That's not who I am. 861 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,650 Speaker 1: And has 862 00:38:43,650 --> 00:38:44,740 Speaker 2: he seen Greece? Still? 863 00:38:44,750 --> 00:38:47,950 Speaker 1: Yes. Actually, it's a really funny story, because the first 864 00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:49,009 Speaker 1: time he saw it, 865 00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:52,460 Speaker 1: we were just married. And John Travolta asked us for dinner, 866 00:38:52,469 --> 00:38:56,510 Speaker 1: and he has a private airport at his house, which 867 00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:58,919 Speaker 1: is always his dream. He's going to have that. So 868 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,930 Speaker 1: we're having dinner and my husband is a pilot, too. 869 00:39:01,930 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: So John said, my plane just came back. I love 870 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,820 Speaker 1: you guys to come see it. He just had it refurbished. 871 00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:10,870 Speaker 1: So we're having dinner, and my husband mentions he's never 872 00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:15,069 Speaker 1: seen Greece. And John Travolta, of course, says Where were you? 873 00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:18,850 Speaker 1: And up the Amazon? As you know, Um, so we 874 00:39:18,850 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: go onto the plane and Johnson, let's go into the plane, 875 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 1: have dessert on the plane. 876 00:39:22,969 --> 00:39:24,980 Speaker 1: So we go on the plane and we're sitting there 877 00:39:24,989 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: and all and Greece is playing on the screen. 878 00:39:27,489 --> 00:39:28,100 Speaker 2: And 879 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:29,569 Speaker 1: that was the first time he saw it with both 880 00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:33,060 Speaker 1: of us on his John's plane. So is that fantastic? 881 00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:34,130 Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't make that 882 00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:35,420 Speaker 2: up. And what 883 00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:38,509 Speaker 1: did he think? He liked it. He loved it, 884 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,460 Speaker 2: he said. That's a 885 00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: really good movie. And then the next time he saw it, 886 00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: I think was that the 40th anniversary we just had 887 00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: on a big screen? And I must say I enjoyed 888 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,260 Speaker 1: it this time because it's you know, I haven't seen 889 00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:51,290 Speaker 1: it on a big screen in 20 years or something, 890 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,020 Speaker 1: and I was able to really sit back and be 891 00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: detached and just watch it without critiquing myself as I 892 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: usually do, and it was so much fun. It's got 893 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,770 Speaker 1: a lot of layers to it. Actually, it 894 00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:05,830 Speaker 2: sure does have a lot of layers to it, and 895 00:40:05,830 --> 00:40:08,670 Speaker 2: all the characters are. So there's a lot of films 896 00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:11,290 Speaker 2: made around the time that could have been iconic. Why 897 00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 2: do you think that one was just so had such 898 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 2: cut through? 899 00:40:14,250 --> 00:40:15,830 Speaker 1: You know, I think if we knew, we would have 900 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:18,070 Speaker 1: made more. But there was a magic to it 901 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,780 Speaker 1: in Well, the storyline is great. The fifties is, as 902 00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:24,810 Speaker 1: I was saying, is larger than life. Like a cartoon. 903 00:40:24,810 --> 00:40:27,290 Speaker 1: They made everyone being there was a great energy. And 904 00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:29,230 Speaker 1: the song is a great you know, We've got the 905 00:40:29,230 --> 00:40:32,589 Speaker 1: original songs. Plus, um, John Farrow and Barry Gibb wrote 906 00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:33,650 Speaker 1: some great songs. So 907 00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:34,660 Speaker 2: what's your favorite is a 908 00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:35,860 Speaker 1: winner. What's 909 00:40:35,860 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 2: your favourite song 910 00:40:36,610 --> 00:40:37,370 Speaker 1: from it? 911 00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:39,989 Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, I don't know. I love you Wanna know 912 00:40:39,989 --> 00:40:43,919 Speaker 1: why I love hopes? He devoted, um they're all fun there. 913 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:44,940 Speaker 1: All the songs are good, I reckon. 914 00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:46,970 Speaker 2: What was the best one to sing and perform for 915 00:40:46,969 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: you? Um hopes he devoted It's quite a hard song 916 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: to sing, but it's a great song. 917 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,670 Speaker 2: So back to your husband in whom he had no 918 00:40:56,670 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 2: romantic interest 919 00:40:58,219 --> 00:40:58,870 Speaker 1: and 920 00:40:58,870 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 2: who had no romantic interest in you. What's wrong with 921 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,049 Speaker 2: the two of you? How did you saving up? How 922 00:41:04,050 --> 00:41:08,250 Speaker 2: did you end up in the Amazon together? Taking Iowa. Alaska. 923 00:41:08,260 --> 00:41:09,049 Speaker 2: Is that how you 924 00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:10,180 Speaker 1: even say Alaska? 925 00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:11,330 Speaker 2: Alaska, which 926 00:41:11,330 --> 00:41:12,779 Speaker 1: I didn't know I was taking. By the way, at 927 00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:15,130 Speaker 1: the time, it was just a sample taste. That's why 928 00:41:15,130 --> 00:41:18,989 Speaker 1: it was so interesting was meant to be. But he 929 00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:22,339 Speaker 1: came to say, That's right. I went, Oh, there's so 930 00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:25,089 Speaker 1: many stories. The dog story. So I gave him a dog, 931 00:41:25,090 --> 00:41:25,540 Speaker 1: and then 932 00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 2: Oh, 933 00:41:26,730 --> 00:41:27,930 Speaker 1: that's in there. I don't know. 934 00:41:27,930 --> 00:41:31,630 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you gave him a dog, a 935 00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:33,890 Speaker 1: puppy. And I didn't see him or the puppy for 936 00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:36,930 Speaker 1: about seven years or something. I mean, I might see 937 00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:39,570 Speaker 1: him occasionally at a charity event because he would supply 938 00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:42,939 Speaker 1: his herds and his skin. Care to check the thing 939 00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:45,130 Speaker 1: I started with Nancy and Jim. We have fundraisers, and 940 00:41:45,130 --> 00:41:45,970 Speaker 1: he'd supply. 941 00:41:46,489 --> 00:41:48,660 Speaker 1: Um, I didn't really see him. Oh, I know what happened. 942 00:41:49,090 --> 00:41:51,610 Speaker 1: This is funny. I was offered 943 00:41:52,330 --> 00:41:54,110 Speaker 1: to do a skin care line for one of the 944 00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: big drug store chains. Huge one. 945 00:41:58,469 --> 00:42:00,270 Speaker 1: And I thought, Well, I don't know much about skincare, 946 00:42:00,270 --> 00:42:03,700 Speaker 1: but John does. So I called him up and I said, 947 00:42:03,710 --> 00:42:07,589 Speaker 1: You know, I've been offered to do this skincare line, uh, 948 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,790 Speaker 1: for this big chain of stores and I know you 949 00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:13,390 Speaker 1: do one. Would you be interested in partnering with me? 950 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,310 Speaker 1: And we could use your skin care, but just re 951 00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:18,509 Speaker 1: label it and all that and he goes, Why would 952 00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:19,430 Speaker 1: I want to do that? 953 00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:21,380 Speaker 1: And I went 954 00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:22,700 Speaker 2: It's really not taking him, 955 00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:26,210 Speaker 1: he says. No, it wasn't a hint, really, I said, 956 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:28,219 Speaker 1: because it's going to be big. He said, no, they're 957 00:42:28,219 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: gonna want to cheapen my product, put it in plastic 958 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,089 Speaker 1: bottles and he, you know, at the time I was 959 00:42:34,090 --> 00:42:36,310 Speaker 1: taken aback. But I really respected his 960 00:42:36,310 --> 00:42:37,219 Speaker 2: integrity. 961 00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:39,490 Speaker 1: So that always stayed with me, I thought. And also 962 00:42:39,489 --> 00:42:41,310 Speaker 1: he said no to me. How d 963 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:44,210 Speaker 2: yeah, smart guy. 964 00:42:44,219 --> 00:42:46,870 Speaker 1: So yeah, so not long after that, I was doing 965 00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:50,510 Speaker 1: a concert in Florida and I called. My assistant said, 966 00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:52,240 Speaker 1: Why don't you invite John Easterling? Tell him to bring 967 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,010 Speaker 1: his girlfriend because there's a whole other story before that, 968 00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:57,330 Speaker 1: because I thought he had a girlfriend. So he came 969 00:42:57,330 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: to the show. But he didn't bring his girlfriend. He 970 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,210 Speaker 1: bought the puppy I'd sent him, who is now a 971 00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:06,310 Speaker 1: big dog and who remembered me. And John remembered me. 972 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,020 Speaker 1: Thank God. And that's how we kind of connected. 973 00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:12,339 Speaker 1: And when he said when he saw my show and 974 00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:14,420 Speaker 1: this is his quote, not mine, he said when he 975 00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:17,310 Speaker 1: saw me singing he he knew I was a healer 976 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,660 Speaker 1: and he wanted to take me to the Amazon to 977 00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:21,509 Speaker 1: meet the other healers down there that he worked with 978 00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:24,630 Speaker 1: all the time. So that was his intention. So the 979 00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:26,350 Speaker 1: next day he came to see me at the hotel. 980 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,630 Speaker 1: I was mortified. I'm sitting by the pool and my 981 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,130 Speaker 1: bikini and no makeup, and he turns up and I'm 982 00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:33,790 Speaker 1: going Oh, no, I was like, You know, you don't 983 00:43:33,790 --> 00:43:36,410 Speaker 1: want to be seen. And, uh, he said, I'd like 984 00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: to take you to the Amazon 985 00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:40,780 Speaker 1: and meet the hell is down there and I go 986 00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: every June. So if you'd like to come, I'd like 987 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: to take you next June 988 00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:46,930 Speaker 1: so it turns out that he'd been talking to Nancy 989 00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:49,450 Speaker 1: and Jim. It was her 60th birthday, so we made 990 00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:51,170 Speaker 1: it her birthday trip and the four of us, we're 991 00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: going to go because I don't want to go by myself. 992 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,350 Speaker 1: I was terrified. So, um, that's what it all happened. 993 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,300 Speaker 2: And what's a Oscar 994 00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:58,830 Speaker 1: like? 995 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: It's very hard to explain. 996 00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: I didn't do a full on, 997 00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:12,180 Speaker 1: uh, journey because it takes all night and it was 998 00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:14,660 Speaker 1: all night. But I just had a reaction to this tiny, 999 00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: tiny amount because my body is so sensitive. But you 1000 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,740 Speaker 1: have to read it. I couldn't relate that now. 1001 00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:23,779 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's full on. From what I understand the 1002 00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:26,210 Speaker 2: Oscar situation. They 1003 00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:28,140 Speaker 1: use it a lot in drug rehab now and for 1004 00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:32,270 Speaker 1: people with emotional issues. And for me, all I can 1005 00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:35,770 Speaker 1: say is that short experience that I had 1006 00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:39,890 Speaker 1: totally cleared my mind of a real dramatic issues that 1007 00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:43,500 Speaker 1: I've been having. So I have belief in it as 1008 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:44,830 Speaker 1: a as a healing plant. 1009 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,330 Speaker 2: You chose not to make a public when when your 1010 00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:51,900 Speaker 2: cancer came back after your sister died, Why is that? 1011 00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 2: Is it just that there was too much going on? 1012 00:44:54,820 --> 00:44:57,669 Speaker 1: Well, there's some things you want to keep private. Why 1013 00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:59,700 Speaker 1: would I need to tell people It's not really anyone's 1014 00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:01,370 Speaker 1: business but mine. But 1015 00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:02,710 Speaker 2: this time you have decided 1016 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,989 Speaker 1: at this time I thought, Well, I'm writing a book. 1017 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm as well, yeah, talk about it. 1018 00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:10,660 Speaker 2: And how are you treating at this time and how 1019 00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:11,500 Speaker 2: are you feeling? 1020 00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:14,569 Speaker 1: Feel good. I'm doing a lot of natural therapies. 1021 00:45:15,219 --> 00:45:18,750 Speaker 1: I went to a wonderful place in Mexico called Hope 1022 00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:21,170 Speaker 1: for Cancer that does all natural therapies. And I spent 1023 00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:24,190 Speaker 1: three weeks. They're learning them and doing them and, 1024 00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:26,830 Speaker 1: yeah, making my immune system strong. 1025 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:32,049 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to no philtre candid conversations that count. 1026 00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 2: You can buy Olivia's book. Don't stop believing at any 1027 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,630 Speaker 2: good bookstore or at apple dot co forward slash mamma mia. 1028 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 2: If you're looking for what to listen to next, can 1029 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,839 Speaker 2: I recommend my no philtre interview with another Aussie icon 1030 00:45:45,850 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 2: item bistros. We had a fascinating conversation. Um, that included 1031 00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:54,819 Speaker 2: a very kind of conversation about plastic surgery and Botox. 1032 00:45:55,860 --> 00:45:59,069 Speaker 2: Next up on no philtre. 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