WEBVTT - Extra: What We've Finally Learned About Lilie James' Killer

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges

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<v Speaker 1>The Quickie with You. It's hosted by Claire Murphy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was released last month to mark the one year

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<v Speaker 2>anniversary of the tragic death of twenty one year old

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<v Speaker 2>Lily James. She was a waterpolo coach who was murdered

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<v Speaker 2>at her workplace by her ex boyfriend just days after

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<v Speaker 2>their breakup. And in this episode, Claire takes us through

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<v Speaker 2>who Lily was, her relationship with Paul, and the devastating

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<v Speaker 2>events of the night she was killed. Cases like this

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<v Speaker 2>are so important for us to revisit to ensure that

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<v Speaker 2>the stories of victims like Lily aren't forgotten. Tragically, Lily

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<v Speaker 2>is one of fifty eight women who lost their lives

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<v Speaker 2>to domestic violence in twenty twenty three. If you or

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<v Speaker 2>someone you know need support, please reach out to one

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<v Speaker 2>what you think of the episode and I'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>next week with another true crime conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a heads up. Today's episode of The Quickie discusses

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<v Speaker 3>domestic violence and does describe some traumatic violent situation, so

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<v Speaker 3>please take care when listening. Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This

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<v Speaker 3>is Mumma Mes twice daily news podcast The Quickie. On

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday night, Tara Brown sat down with the parents of

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<v Speaker 3>Lily James, the young woman who was brutally murdered by

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<v Speaker 3>her ex boyfriend just days after they'd called an end

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<v Speaker 3>to their brief casual relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>And then, yeah, so that was her, But I had

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<v Speaker 4>to come home, tell Peter Max play those moments every

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<v Speaker 4>day every day.

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<v Speaker 3>Her death shocked the country and made international headlines with

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<v Speaker 3>the amount of pre planning undertaken and seemingly unbridled rage

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<v Speaker 3>her murderer experienced. Today, we remember Lily James a year

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<v Speaker 3>on from her death and find out if we've learned

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<v Speaker 3>anything from her life, or if we've even started to

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<v Speaker 3>get a handle on the level of domestic violence here

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia. In October last year, twenty one year old

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<v Speaker 3>Sidney woman Lily James woke up on a normal Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>She got up got dressed and went down to the

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<v Speaker 3>kitchen in her family home, which she shared with her mum, Peter,

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<v Speaker 3>dad Jamie and brother Max. She was heading off to

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<v Speaker 3>face another day filled with friends, study and part time jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>The young woman cramming as much as she could into

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<v Speaker 3>every day, determined to make something of her life, her

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<v Speaker 3>parents saying she managed to balance it all fuelled my

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<v Speaker 3>chocolate and ice cream.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking at the clock because the train's going to

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<v Speaker 4>come come shortly. She's off in her own little world.

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<v Speaker 4>But she didn't seem agitated, she didn't seem frightened. Nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just a lor normal Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Lily's parents, Peter and Jamie, speaking to Channel nine

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<v Speaker 3>sixty minutes program. She'd been working as a swim and

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<v Speaker 3>dance teacher as well as coaching netbull, but in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two she managed to snag a part time position

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<v Speaker 3>at the prestigious s and Andrew's Cathedral School in Sydney

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<v Speaker 3>as a water polo coach. It was there she met

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Tyson. He'd moved from the Netherlands to Australia, where

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<v Speaker 3>he was a student at the school himself. Between twenty

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen and twenty seventeen, he went back to the Netherlands

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<v Speaker 3>to study and then took on a role as a

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<v Speaker 3>cricket and hockey coach back at Saint Andrew's in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty twenty, he was in the process of studying

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<v Speaker 3>a master's in teaching, hoping to become a full time

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<v Speaker 3>pe teacher. In around September twenty twenty three, Lillian Paul

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<v Speaker 3>started a romantic relationship. It wasn't anything too serious. The

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<v Speaker 3>pair reportedly having a conversation about the fact that then

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<v Speaker 3>working together might become an issue should they ever break up,

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<v Speaker 3>and so chose to keep the relationship casual.

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<v Speaker 5>I had a conversation with her and I said, so

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<v Speaker 5>you're going out and she said yeah, she said and

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<v Speaker 5>I said, so, is it anything that you think will

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<v Speaker 5>be something serious? And she said, mum, she goes. We

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<v Speaker 5>both sat down at the start as a relationship and

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<v Speaker 5>decided that neither of us wanted anything serious. We just

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<v Speaker 5>wanted some fun and once it had run its course,

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<v Speaker 5>we would go our separate ways. There was never meant

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<v Speaker 5>to be any hard feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>Lily's friends explained that they met Paul when Lily brought

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<v Speaker 3>him to a night at one of their houses, telling

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<v Speaker 3>reporter Tara Brown that nothing he did or said on

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<v Speaker 3>the night raised any red flags.

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<v Speaker 5>He was just a very chatty guy.

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<v Speaker 2>She always liked people who talked a lot, because she

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<v Speaker 2>talks a lot. Just very nice.

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<v Speaker 4>He was always very helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd work together and they'd help each other out.

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<v Speaker 3>About two weeks after that catch up with friends, Lily

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<v Speaker 3>and James broke it off, Lily telling her mates that

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<v Speaker 3>it was a very mutual decision. Then, on October twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three, the day Lily woke up and joined her

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<v Speaker 3>family for breakfast just like any other Wednesday, Paul Tyson

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<v Speaker 3>rented a car. He then traveled to a nearby hardware

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<v Speaker 3>store and bought a hammer before driving that same car

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<v Speaker 3>to the Saint Andrew's campus. Later that night, at approximately

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<v Speaker 3>seven pm, CCTV cameras capture Lily entering the toilet inside

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<v Speaker 3>the school gymnasium, where she would get changed after water

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<v Speaker 3>polo practice. A few moments later, Tyson can be seen

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<v Speaker 3>also entering the toilet. An hour later, those same cameras

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<v Speaker 3>catch Tyson leaving the toilet, but Lily did not walk

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<v Speaker 3>out behind him. A text message was sent from Lily's

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<v Speaker 3>phone to her father's at eight thirty pm, an hour

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<v Speaker 3>and a half after Lily had entered the toilet block.

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<v Speaker 2>It read don't ask why or call, Please come to

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<v Speaker 2>the school now and pick me up.

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<v Speaker 3>Jamie wrote back immediately asking if she was okay. The

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<v Speaker 3>message back was short.

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<v Speaker 2>All good, just come trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>But when Jamie arrived at Saint Andrews, he found other

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<v Speaker 3>staff members but not his daughter. He searched for her

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<v Speaker 3>at her desk, he found her bag still sitting there.

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<v Speaker 3>He searched the gymnasium, but didn't go into the toilets,

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<v Speaker 3>not knowing that his daughter's body was lying just a

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<v Speaker 3>few meters from where he stood. In a panic, Peter James,

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<v Speaker 3>Lily's mum, texted Lily's friends asking if they'd seen her.

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<v Speaker 3>They all responded with no. She even texted Paul Tyson,

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<v Speaker 3>thinking maybe one of her colleagues would know. Those texts

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<v Speaker 3>went unanswered. At eleven pm, police received an anonymous call

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<v Speaker 3>telling them where to find Lily. Jamie says he knew

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<v Speaker 3>that when police and ambulance arrived at the school and

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<v Speaker 3>he was taken to the station, that the news wasn't going.

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<v Speaker 4>To be good.

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<v Speaker 6>The actual soon itself was quite confronting for the police

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<v Speaker 6>who turned up very sad tom for everybody, not only

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<v Speaker 6>of the families, the student saucer who were turning up

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<v Speaker 6>today to be confronted by this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Superintendent Martin Foleman from New South Wales Police. When

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<v Speaker 3>asked whether they think Lily sent those texts to her dad,

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<v Speaker 3>her parents say no. Her time of death was suspected

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<v Speaker 3>to be more than an hour before they were sent,

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<v Speaker 3>but they have a theory as to why they were

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<v Speaker 3>sent and it points to a disturbing story of a

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<v Speaker 3>man who wanted to harm a family as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, for me, I really think that he was

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<v Speaker 5>hoping that Jamie.

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<v Speaker 4>Would find her.

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<v Speaker 3>In an addressed to students on the Monday that the

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<v Speaker 3>school reopened, Sir Andrew's head of school, doctor Julie McGonagall,

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<v Speaker 3>told those gathered that they were left with grief, shock

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<v Speaker 3>and utter confusion because they knew both parties, our beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>miss James, she said, and mister Tyson, whose actions were

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<v Speaker 3>completely incongruent with who they knew. After tracing the anonymous

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<v Speaker 3>Triple O call, police would establish a second crime scene

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<v Speaker 3>on October twenty sixth, eleven kilometers from where Lily was killed,

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<v Speaker 3>Investigators cordoned off an area of Diamond Bay where they

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<v Speaker 3>located a backpack belonging to Tyson. Inside was the hammer

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<v Speaker 3>that he'd bought on the morning of October twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 3>Police would also find more CCTV footage from that night,

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<v Speaker 3>showing a car pulling up on the street and then

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<v Speaker 3>a man walking along the footpath. The man would be

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<v Speaker 3>identified as Paul Tyson by the owner of the cameras.

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<v Speaker 3>How would they know him because he'd walked outside the

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<v Speaker 3>home of Lily's friend, the one who'd welcomed Pauline as

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<v Speaker 3>Lily's then boyfriend just weeks earlier. He then sat in

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<v Speaker 3>that rented car, where he then called police. His body

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<v Speaker 3>would be found two days after Lily's murder by tradees

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<v Speaker 3>who spotted a body in the surf offered the notorious

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<v Speaker 3>suicide spot the gap where they'd been working on a

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<v Speaker 3>nearby construction site. Lily's murder came at a time when

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<v Speaker 3>the country was reeling from a string of domestic violence

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<v Speaker 3>related debts. She was the fourth woman in ten days

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<v Speaker 3>to be killed allegedly by the men known to them

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<v Speaker 3>and the forty third woman at that point of the

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<v Speaker 3>year to have been killed in a domestic violence related situation.

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<v Speaker 3>So a year after her death, as her parents speak

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<v Speaker 3>out for the first time on how they're coping with

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<v Speaker 3>the senseless loss of their daughter, has anything changed well.

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<v Speaker 3>According to the Australian Femicide Map, seventy women have been

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<v Speaker 3>lost to violence at this stage in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Phi Lily's family, twelve months may have passed, but their

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<v Speaker 3>pain is as raw as it was on that very

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<v Speaker 3>normal Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think the anger will ever go away? No?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think so. I think I wanted to put

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<v Speaker 4>some more good use. You will never go away, Hello,

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<v Speaker 4>letters should go away.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think if he knew what he did that night,

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<v Speaker 5>I think you'd understand why why we can't forgive what

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<v Speaker 5>he did. It's pretty brutal though doesn't make me a

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<v Speaker 5>bad person. I don't know, but at this stage I

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<v Speaker 5>don't care.

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