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Speaker 1: to share a powerful episode from Mamma MIA's news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie with You. It's hosted by Claire Murphy.

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Speaker 2: It was released last month to mark the one year

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Speaker 2: anniversary of the tragic death of twenty one year old

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Speaker 2: Lily James. She was a waterpolo coach who was murdered

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Speaker 2: at her workplace by her ex boyfriend just days after

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Speaker 2: their breakup. And in this episode, Claire takes us through

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Speaker 2: who Lily was, her relationship with Paul, and the devastating

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Speaker 2: events of the night she was killed. Cases like this

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Speaker 2: are so important for us to revisit to ensure that

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Speaker 2: the stories of victims like Lily aren't forgotten. Tragically, Lily

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Speaker 2: is one of fifty eight women who lost their lives

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Speaker 2: to domestic violence in twenty twenty three. If you or

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Speaker 2: what you think of the episode and I'll be back

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Speaker 2: next week with another true crime conversation.

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Speaker 3: Just a heads up. Today's episode of The Quickie discusses

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Speaker 3: domestic violence and does describe some traumatic violent situation, so

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Speaker 3: please take care when listening. Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This

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Speaker 3: is Mumma Mes twice daily news podcast The Quickie. On

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Speaker 3: Sunday night, Tara Brown sat down with the parents of

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Speaker 3: Lily James, the young woman who was brutally murdered by

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Speaker 3: her ex boyfriend just days after they'd called an end

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Speaker 3: to their brief casual relationship.

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Speaker 4: And then, yeah, so that was her, But I had

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Speaker 4: to come home, tell Peter Max play those moments every

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Speaker 3: Her death shocked the country and made international headlines with

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Speaker 3: the amount of pre planning undertaken and seemingly unbridled rage

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Speaker 3: her murderer experienced. Today, we remember Lily James a year

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Speaker 3: on from her death and find out if we've learned

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Speaker 3: anything from her life, or if we've even started to

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Speaker 3: get a handle on the level of domestic violence here

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Speaker 3: in Australia. In October last year, twenty one year old

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Speaker 3: Sidney woman Lily James woke up on a normal Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: She got up got dressed and went down to the

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Speaker 3: dad Jamie and brother Max. She was heading off to

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Speaker 3: face another day filled with friends, study and part time jobs.

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Speaker 3: The young woman cramming as much as she could into

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Speaker 3: every day, determined to make something of her life, her

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Speaker 3: parents saying she managed to balance it all fuelled my

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at the clock because the train's going to

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Speaker 4: But she didn't seem agitated, she didn't seem frightened. Nothing.

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Speaker 3: That's Lily's parents, Peter and Jamie, speaking to Channel nine

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Speaker 3: sixty minutes program. She'd been working as a swim and

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Speaker 3: dance teacher as well as coaching netbull, but in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two she managed to snag a part time position

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Speaker 3: Paul Tyson. He'd moved from the Netherlands to Australia, where

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Speaker 3: he was a student at the school himself. Between twenty

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Speaker 3: fifteen and twenty seventeen, he went back to the Netherlands

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty, he was in the process of studying

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Speaker 3: pe teacher. In around September twenty twenty three, Lillian Paul

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Speaker 5: be something serious? And she said, mum, she goes. We

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Speaker 3: Lily's friends explained that they met Paul when Lily brought

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Speaker 5: He was just a very chatty guy.

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Speaker 2: She always liked people who talked a lot, because she

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Speaker 3: About two weeks after that catch up with friends, Lily

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Speaker 3: to the Saint Andrew's campus. Later that night, at approximately

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Speaker 3: phone to her father's at eight thirty pm, an hour

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Speaker 3: Jamie wrote back immediately asking if she was okay. The

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Speaker 3: But when Jamie arrived at Saint Andrews, he found other

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Speaker 3: They all responded with no. She even texted Paul Tyson,

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Speaker 3: telling them where to find Lily. Jamie says he knew

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Speaker 3: That's Superintendent Martin Foleman from New South Wales Police. When

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Speaker 5: I think, for me, I really think that he was

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Speaker 3: In an addressed to students on the Monday that the

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Speaker 3: completely incongruent with who they knew. After tracing the anonymous

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Speaker 3: on October twenty sixth, eleven kilometers from where Lily was killed,

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Speaker 3: Investigators cordoned off an area of Diamond Bay where they

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Speaker 3: located a backpack belonging to Tyson. Inside was the hammer

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Speaker 3: Police would also find more CCTV footage from that night,

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Speaker 3: How would they know him because he'd walked outside the

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Speaker 3: Lily's then boyfriend just weeks earlier. He then sat in

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Speaker 3: would be found two days after Lily's murder by tradees

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Speaker 3: who spotted a body in the surf offered the notorious

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Speaker 3: nearby construction site. Lily's murder came at a time when

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Speaker 3: the country was reeling from a string of domestic violence

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Speaker 3: related debts. She was the fourth woman in ten days

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Speaker 3: So a year after her death, as her parents speak

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Speaker 3: According to the Australian Femicide Map, seventy women have been

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Speaker 3: Phi Lily's family, twelve months may have passed, but their

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Speaker 5: Do you think the anger will ever go away? No?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think I wanted to put

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Speaker 5: And I think if he knew what he did that night,

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Speaker 5: I think you'd understand why why we can't forgive what

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Speaker 5: he did. It's pretty brutal though doesn't make me a

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