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Speaker 2: MoMA Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually talking
Speaker 2: about on Wednesday, the twenty fourth of September. And my
Speaker 2: name is Hollywayen.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm Jesse Stevens, and my name is Amelia Lester,
Speaker 3: and I have something to tease before we get into
Speaker 3: today's show. Remember our Taro card reader friend Evelyn. She
Speaker 3: said during the episode. I can't remember if it was
Speaker 3: a subscriber, if it was on the main episode, but
Speaker 3: she said there will be a big.
Speaker 4: Announcement coming on out Loud.
Speaker 2: She did two weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she said this, and I was like, I'd shore,
Speaker 3: I'm not. There is a big announcement coming on out
Speaker 3: Loud on Friday. That is my teas. Be the first
Speaker 3: to listen. It drops a bit earlier on a Friday, make.
Speaker 2: Sure you're on that show, and make sure.
Speaker 3: Because there's some exciting news. So there's my little teas
Speaker 3: for Friday.
Speaker 2: That is as much as we're giving you, we are mean.
Speaker 2: But on today's show, here is what made our agenda.
Speaker 3: An announcement from President Trump this week about pregnancy autism
Speaker 3: and paracetamol upset me even more than I expected. We
Speaker 3: discussed the new directive for pregnant women, which is to
Speaker 3: tough it out.
Speaker 5: I've got a phone charging theory, which is not just
Speaker 5: about phones.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you about it.
Speaker 2: And tremble in your soft pants. Friends. Your office attire
Speaker 2: is not appropriate and you need to get ready to
Speaker 2: be shamed about it because dressing for work is back.
Speaker 2: But first, Amelia Lester.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in case you missed it, I got some good
Speaker 5: news and some bad news. I guess I'll tell you
Speaker 5: the good news first.
Speaker 1: The bears. The bears are getting fatter than ever. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about it?
Speaker 2: Are you talking about fat Bear Week?
Speaker 5: It is fat bear Week? Can we have a vovo
Speaker 5: zailor sound just there? Is that?
Speaker 1: The word I don't know is that the.
Speaker 5: Word Voting has opened for the eleventh year of this
Speaker 5: contest that's run by the Alaska National Park to German,
Speaker 5: who the fattest bear is?
Speaker 2: Is that? Because it's so it's seasonal right, they're about
Speaker 2: to go into hibernation and they've got to carblow it?
Speaker 2: Is that great protein fish load.
Speaker 1: They're up your alley, Holly.
Speaker 5: They're all about the protein. They need nothing but salmon.
Speaker 5: Think of their skin so radiant goodness. So you go
Speaker 5: and watch a webcam of bears feeding at Brooks Falls,
Speaker 5: which is a very beautiful looking place in Alaska, and
Speaker 5: they're all eating their salmon, and then you vote on
Speaker 5: which bear you think has fattened up the most over
Speaker 5: the summer for the coming winter hibernation. And the voting
Speaker 5: has just opened for this year. The contest is open
Speaker 5: to all the bears in the park. There's about two
Speaker 5: thy three hundred of them. As long as they are
Speaker 5: sufficiently chunky.
Speaker 3: They must be trying the big bears, only to think
Speaker 3: that they're stoked when they find that the camera's following them.
Speaker 5: Yes, there are some there definitely are more into it
Speaker 5: than others. Bears double their weight over the summer in
Speaker 5: preparation for hibernation, which I just love as.
Speaker 2: A fat fighting each other for the Yes.
Speaker 1: They're fighting each other.
Speaker 5: And I want to give a special shout out to
Speaker 5: the adult females because I learned that basically they have
Speaker 5: to get fat because they give birth to cubs midwinter
Speaker 5: and then they're in the cave with them nursing them
Speaker 5: until they come out in the spring.
Speaker 1: But they're not eating anything.
Speaker 5: For that whole time, so they give birth and nurse
Speaker 5: and there's no food until they exit.
Speaker 3: Apparently they've got particularly fat this season because there's been
Speaker 3: a lot of food in the past, has been fighting
Speaker 3: when it's been limited. But the ranger has said the
Speaker 3: bears are extremely fat this year, and I'm looking forward
Speaker 3: to seeing how people react to how fat they are.
Speaker 2: Okay, how people react with shock and awe and a
Speaker 2: tape measure in hand. I saw my bucket list to
Speaker 2: go and see those beads. Me too, I would love too.
Speaker 2: But maybe it's not as good as it sounds. Maybe
Speaker 2: there's just like a horde of people.
Speaker 5: Look, there's a webcam. I would say, you don't need
Speaker 5: to get on a plane. The webcam will give it
Speaker 5: all to you. There's a guy named Mike Fitz who's
Speaker 5: a ranger who won the first year of the contest,
Speaker 5: and he said that the reason why people love this, Yes,
Speaker 5: it's because the news is full of doom and gloom
Speaker 5: and it's respite from that. But also, and I want
Speaker 5: to get this quote right, because it's delightful. Beyond that,
Speaker 5: people just like looking at photos of round animals.
Speaker 1: Round animal that's why we like. Look.
Speaker 5: Okay, be thinking about the round animals. Because now I've
Speaker 5: got the bad news. Okay, the bad news is the
Speaker 5: rapture is coming today.
Speaker 2: I've heard about their Somlia.
Speaker 1: Get your affairs in order.
Speaker 5: People are apparently selling their houses, which confuses me because
Speaker 5: if the rapture's coming, why do you need to sell
Speaker 5: your house. But anyway, that's what they're doing. They're quitting
Speaker 5: their jobs, they're packing up their pets. And it all
Speaker 5: started because a South African evangelical pastor whose name is
Speaker 5: Joshua Malacala insisted that the world is going to be
Speaker 5: ending on September twenty three, twenty four. We're not quite sure.
Speaker 2: Which apparently with Australian time difference twenty four twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: which is today or tomorrow. Yes, so, Ameilia, the rapture
Speaker 2: is correct me if I'm wrong. The idea is that
Speaker 2: what happens is holy, but it's like Jesus comes back
Speaker 2: and takes all the good people. Is that the shortcut?
Speaker 1: It's not good for you and it's goods fine.
Speaker 2: Imagine if we came into work tomorrow, and Jesse was
Speaker 2: just gone, like her chair was empty, her cup was
Speaker 2: undrunk from like, you know, her sandwich wrapper was just there.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave my clothes behind, so it looks like
Speaker 3: I've just descended.
Speaker 2: And we were like, we were laughing about this. Imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really liked the TikTok of the woman. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of people explaining to people in their lives
Speaker 3: how to survive without them after.
Speaker 2: The wrapper because they're going up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a wife.
Speaker 3: Being like, I know, I'm going like absolutely, I've lived
Speaker 3: a moral, good life. But she's explaining to her husband
Speaker 3: how to do things when she's off. You've got to
Speaker 3: be outside, I think, to ascend. But her husband she's
Speaker 3: going this.
Speaker 4: Are you sorry, You've got to be outside?
Speaker 1: Gonna hit the roof?
Speaker 5: Familiar?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Jesus sorted that out.
Speaker 4: No, you have to wait outside on your doors.
Speaker 2: Really worried about all these people sitting outside waiting for
Speaker 2: this to happen, and then if it doesn't happen, how
Speaker 2: they're going to get on with their lives on Thursday's.
Speaker 4: An embarrassing next day.
Speaker 3: There are some TikTok trends where it's going like they
Speaker 3: go through celebrities and who would ascend and who would not?
Speaker 3: So I would obviously ascend the Irwins, they say absolutely,
Speaker 3: But then the theory is Chris Hemsworth would ascend, but
Speaker 3: Liam Hemsworth wouldn't, which feels mean that me.
Speaker 1: And what about all the celebrities named Chris, I wonder
Speaker 1: which is.
Speaker 4: I know, I think it would be very very selective.
Speaker 4: You couldn't have them.
Speaker 1: All Chris Pine for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And what they've done as well is that people are saying, yeah, look,
Speaker 3: if you're going to ascend, just leave all your designer
Speaker 3: items on your front port because they can be for
Speaker 3: the scavengers who are left like you, Holly.
Speaker 2: Ah. Is it too late for me to make it
Speaker 2: onto the vulture escalator because I feel like things are
Speaker 2: hard down here at the minute. I want to be
Speaker 2: up there singing to me Pedro Pascale's whispering, scoreless gossip
Speaker 2: in my ear.
Speaker 4: I'll give you my carcays, Holly, I'm not gonna need
Speaker 4: my car anymore.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 5: You can jump onto hashtag rapture talk if you want
Speaker 5: to learn more.
Speaker 3: I was shocked yesterday at how much an announcement from
Speaker 3: the White House ruined my day because this actually isn't
Speaker 3: a story about Trump or RFK Junior. It's a story
Speaker 3: about women who have been, are currently or will one
Speaker 3: day be pregnant. It's a story about people with an
Speaker 3: autism diagnosis. It's a story about the blame that we
Speaker 3: always apportioned to mothers. And it's also a story about misinformation,
Speaker 3: scientific rigor, and expertise.
Speaker 4: Deep breath, you might remember that.
Speaker 2: My whole thing is like, I'm not going to be
Speaker 2: troubled anymore by the craziness that's coming out of my
Speaker 2: So I'm going to be ferries en by this. But
Speaker 2: it's hard on this one. It's hard.
Speaker 3: You might remember President Donald Trump at Charlie Kirk's memorial
Speaker 3: service took that opportunity to say, I think we found
Speaker 3: an answer to autism.
Speaker 2: He teased us, just like.
Speaker 3: You did at the beginning of this leaf out of
Speaker 3: Trump's book, and he ta used us, and he said,
Speaker 3: I've got a big announcement coming well on Monday, US time,
Speaker 3: Trump staged a press conference, and here's a little bit
Speaker 3: of what he said.
Speaker 6: First, effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians at
Speaker 6: the use of I said, well, let's see how we
Speaker 6: say that. A said menefin acetamnefin I said, okay, which
Speaker 6: is basically commonly known as thailand all during pregnancy can
Speaker 6: be associated with a very increased risk of autism. For
Speaker 6: this reason, they are strongly recommending that women limit us
Speaker 6: during pregnancy unless medically necessary. That's, for instance, in cases
Speaker 6: of extremely high fever that you feel you can't tough
Speaker 6: it out, you can't do it.
Speaker 1: I guess there's that.
Speaker 6: It's a small number of cases, I think, But if
Speaker 6: you can't tough it out, if you can't do it.
Speaker 2: What a coherent and clear announcement about something so important.
Speaker 4: He sounds so well prepared now.
Speaker 2: I'm glad he was so well prepared.
Speaker 3: Now in Australia, the generic name for the medication he's
Speaker 3: talking about is paracetamol. Right, and Trump's announcement prompted a
Speaker 3: swift response from experts all over the world. In the
Speaker 3: United States, it was the American Academy of Obstetricians and
Speaker 3: Gynecologists who said, in more than two decades of research,
Speaker 3: not a single reputable study has successfully concluded that the
Speaker 3: use of this drug in any trimester of pregnancy causes
Speaker 3: neurodevelopmental disorders in children in Australia, the Therapeutic Goods Administration,
Speaker 3: the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists,
Speaker 3: including every other reputable source of medical information, release statements
Speaker 3: assuring women that there is no link between paracetamol use
Speaker 3: in pregnancy and autism or ADHD. I could go into
Speaker 3: the studies, I'm not going to do that. We have
Speaker 3: an incredibly comprehensive episode of The Quickie Drop this morning.
Speaker 3: Highly recommend you listen to that. But Holly, what I
Speaker 3: want to know is why this has struck such a
Speaker 3: chord and why it feels particularly sinister, Like health misinformation
Speaker 3: is not new, there's nothing new about this. There's nothing unprecedented.
Speaker 3: There's not even anything particularly surprising, but it feels sinister.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it partly feels sinister because of the
Speaker 2: delivery mechanism. I mean, when we just played that clip,
Speaker 2: you know, this is the President of the United States,
Speaker 2: and whatever you think about him, that is a seat
Speaker 2: of enormous power, getting the entire world's media pretty much
Speaker 2: to turn their cameras on him for him to make
Speaker 2: a confusing incoherent, fearmongering announcement that is then immediately refuted
Speaker 2: by all these reputable organizations, as you've said, Jesse, but
Speaker 2: the damage is done. That announcement just sets off an
Speaker 2: explosion of shame and self loathing and panic and worry
Speaker 2: lots of different groups of people, as you've already you said,
Speaker 2: obviously women of childbearing age and pregnant women, but people
Speaker 2: with autism, because what Trump was essentially saying was autism
Speaker 2: is terrible and it should be eradicated. That's a whole
Speaker 2: thing that upsets an enormous number of people to say
Speaker 2: that women are somehow weak and selfish if they are
Speaker 2: addressing pain, wanting even to address pain and pregnancy, not
Speaker 2: toughing it out, and that whatever stage of all that
Speaker 2: you're at, And obviously I have lived experience here. I
Speaker 2: don't want to go into it in detail, but I've
Speaker 2: sat in those rooms and heard those diagnoses that this
Speaker 2: is your fault. Any difficult things that are coming your way,
Speaker 2: for either yourself or your child, it's.
Speaker 4: Your fault and your own selfishness.
Speaker 2: It's your selfish. And so no one would suggest that
Speaker 2: we should suppress any scientific evidence or findings to spare
Speaker 2: people's feelings, So I don't mean to sit here and
Speaker 2: go that makes me feel bad. So we shouldn't learn
Speaker 2: about autism and the causes of autism. That is not
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, or I think what anybody is saying.
Speaker 2: But it's just so enormously irresponsible, Am I right, Amelia?
Speaker 2: Is it enormously irresponsible? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Other presidents have dispensed health advice. So President Eisenhower recommended
Speaker 5: the polio vaccine. Barack Obama suggested people should quit smoking.
Speaker 5: But I think what's different about this is that he
Speaker 5: has departed from the entire medical establishment. And the reason
Speaker 5: that it catches on with people is because there's a
Speaker 5: vacuum of information right now about a perception that autism
Speaker 5: rates a rising in the population. And because there's that
Speaker 5: perception and the medical establishment hasn't yet figured out the
Speaker 5: no doubt complex causes for why this is or even
Speaker 5: if this is the case, people seese on a definite
Speaker 5: answer from someone, even if he doesn't know what he's
Speaker 5: talking about.
Speaker 4: I mean, and you can fact check so much of
Speaker 4: what he says.
Speaker 3: But I posted something on Instagram about it yesterday, and
Speaker 3: the messages I got back from women who broke d
Speaker 3: during pregnancy. That's what pregnancy did to them, the worst
Speaker 3: migraines of your life. I got COVID and the flu
Speaker 3: at like thirty five weeks pregnant, had a terrible fever.
Speaker 3: And what I didn't know before that pregnancy was the
Speaker 3: list of medicines I couldn't take, not just medicines, things
Speaker 3: you can't do, things you can't eat. Like to suggest
Speaker 3: that women are ever flippant about anything they put in
Speaker 3: their bodies, on their bodies during pregnancy is so infuriating,
Speaker 3: and that the experience of pregnancy in and of itself
Speaker 3: is an exercise in toughing it out, Like you get
Speaker 3: the flu, like there's virtually nothing you can take, and
Speaker 3: all these experts have come out and said fever can
Speaker 3: be dangerous for babies, and that's why we recommend getting
Speaker 3: the fever down.
Speaker 4: I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 3: Speak to your doctor if that's an experience you're having,
Speaker 3: but that's putting a lot of pregnant women in danger
Speaker 3: to basically say don't take this medicine when your doctor's,
Speaker 3: your obstetricians, your midwives are saying the opposite.
Speaker 1: And the reason why people are going.
Speaker 5: To be really confused by this in particular is because
Speaker 5: we don't know a lot about pregnancy, and one reason
Speaker 5: for that is that you can't conduct to studies on
Speaker 5: pregnant women for obvious reasons, and then you layer on
Speaker 5: the misinformation and it starts to be a really dangerous stew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because there are drugs, a doctor will often say
Speaker 3: to you, we just don't know, so we're not going
Speaker 3: to let you have that. To suggest that the medical
Speaker 3: institution is an erring on the side of caution at
Speaker 3: all times is just so irresponsible, And it's the endangering
Speaker 3: I think that made me so angry, and also the
Speaker 3: suggestion that there is this selfishness within pregnant women, or
Speaker 3: this haphazard response to putting things in your body that
Speaker 3: is causing long term damage, which is the wrong word anyway,
Speaker 3: when we all know people who live with autism who
Speaker 3: were incredible like as though it's some kind of disease
Speaker 3: rather than a disorder that millions of people around the
Speaker 3: world are diagnosed with and have always had as well.
Speaker 2: One of the things that's saddling my brain about this
Speaker 2: is that I'm old enough to remember Jenny McCarthy going
Speaker 2: on the Oprah Wimfrey show, yep, a couple of decades ago.
Speaker 2: Now probably that interview. Really see it in my mind,
Speaker 2: I must have watched it in real time where she
Speaker 2: told a story about my child. At the time, she'd
Speaker 2: been an actress and MTV presenter, like she was a
Speaker 2: cool girl, and then she became like a real crunchymum
Speaker 2: pin up for a while and she went on the
Speaker 2: opera Woinfroy Show. And I see it in my memory,
Speaker 2: this story I took my kid to get their vaccine
Speaker 2: and then immediately, like the next day, that kid was
Speaker 2: completely different and it changed everything. Now that was seen
Speaker 2: as a moment of enormous irresponsibility on the side of
Speaker 2: the media to be immediately bandying about all this misinformation.
Speaker 2: But in the period of time since, we have learned
Speaker 2: so much, and that message has been discredited so many times,
Speaker 2: and we've seen this always this sort of underground hum
Speaker 2: of skepticism around that, but every credible medical organization has
Speaker 2: pushed back. And it feels like here we are a
Speaker 2: couple of decades later and the President of the United
Speaker 2: States standing up there and apart from his directive, he
Speaker 2: spoke broadly and coherently about the kind of vaccines, babies
Speaker 2: get how there's just too much liquid in those syringes
Speaker 2: for them. He just went on and on about all
Speaker 2: of these really dangerous, disproven things. You know, there are
Speaker 2: people in my life who are very across this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, and I've already heard about these rumors and
Speaker 2: already seen that it was disproven all these things. But
Speaker 2: most of us are just busy and getting on with things.
Speaker 2: And pregnancy is one of those moments in your life
Speaker 2: where suddenly you have to learn about health and science
Speaker 2: and if you're not a person who knows about that,
Speaker 2: so we just have these little drops of buzzes and
Speaker 2: information and oh, I remember hearing something on Oprah once
Speaker 2: about vaccines. I remember hearing something about blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And if that's most of us, what's just happened with
Speaker 2: this high profile misinformation dump is so many people will
Speaker 2: just go, oh, well, that's true. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of pregnant women or women who've been pregnant, and I'd
Speaker 2: put myself in this bucket. Who are going, wait, did
Speaker 2: I take paracenamol when I was pregnant or did I not?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? And then thinking about whatever difficulties or
Speaker 2: hurdles their kids might have and thinking it's all on me.
Speaker 4: You already think it's all on you regardless.
Speaker 2: I just I find it befuddling, as you can probably
Speaker 2: tell by my incoherent response. But I just want to
Speaker 2: send love and solidarity, I really do, to autistic people
Speaker 2: who are copying it over this, to the people who
Speaker 2: support them, to the pregnant women who are wondering what
Speaker 2: the hell they're supposed to do now. I just think
Speaker 2: this is an incredibly difficult time, And of course, if
Speaker 2: you are worried and confused, talk to an actual doctor.
Speaker 2: As Jesse said, the health professionals know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: In a moment, your phone, your life, and.
Speaker 5: A controversial theory about how they're connected. I saw a
Speaker 5: headline this week which made me stop in my tracks.
Speaker 5: Now that happens a lot these days, but this one
Speaker 5: was about my phone. It was on the wire cutter
Speaker 5: and it read stop charging your phone to one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: What fed especially when you first get it. I thought
Speaker 2: that was the point. It was like you have to
Speaker 2: have it to one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: I thought that was like phone hygiene, Yeah, like flossing,
Speaker 5: Like you gotta charge your phone overnight to one hundred percent. No,
Speaker 5: the wire cutter said that over time, charging your phone
Speaker 5: all the way can weaken your battery and cause it
Speaker 5: to lose its charge much faster. Instead, charge it somewhere
Speaker 5: in the range of twenty to eighty percent.
Speaker 2: Twenty percent, you'd be living on the edge. What kind
Speaker 2: of risk taking adrenaline junkie is running around with their
Speaker 2: phone only for charge to twenty.
Speaker 1: The kind who's also running around looking for a charger
Speaker 1: at work.
Speaker 5: So apparently on your phone, if it's a your model,
Speaker 5: you can just like make it do this automatically stop
Speaker 5: at eighty percent. I haven't done this because it feels
Speaker 5: wrong to me and I'm not ready to do it.
Speaker 5: I'm just simply not ready to do it.
Speaker 2: You're not following the sciences points on other things important
Speaker 2: medical information. Yes, the viber off on this anent.
Speaker 1: The vibe off it? Do you get me thinking?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 5: Because there was something about that idea of don't charge
Speaker 5: your phone to one hundred percent?
Speaker 1: I wondered whether we could apply it more broadly, like
Speaker 1: not just to phones. Should we be avoiding one hundred
Speaker 1: percent charge in life?
Speaker 3: I feel as though it's better if my body never
Speaker 3: knows what one hundred percent feels like, so I try
Speaker 3: and keep it in seventy to eighty.
Speaker 1: I've got some examples.
Speaker 5: Think about when you go to bed early and then
Speaker 5: you wake up the next week kind of groggy because
Speaker 5: you slept too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 5: Or think about how a forty minute now you wake
Speaker 5: up and you feel really discombobulated. A twenty minute nap,
Speaker 5: you're ready to go.
Speaker 2: Ten to fifteen is the sweet spot for a nap
Speaker 2: in my experience.
Speaker 4: Oh no, micronapp, I have two hour naps.
Speaker 5: Really, yeah, that's charging your fine to one hundred, But.
Speaker 3: I don't feel good after. To be clear, I feel
Speaker 3: this when I eat broccoli. I've been talking about how
Speaker 3: I've been eating vegetables lately, and I think you don't
Speaker 3: want to eat too healthy because you don't want your
Speaker 3: body to expect it. You don't want your body to
Speaker 3: grow accustomed to only eating vegetables. So then you get
Speaker 3: some hot chips because you're like, this way, my body's
Speaker 3: just ready for what's going to come, Like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to give it a shock when my real life
Speaker 3: starts up again.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Do you think it applies
Speaker 2: to effort Amelia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think that sometimes I go to work
Speaker 5: and I've had too much coffee, and I give one
Speaker 5: hundred percent and then people yourself, yeah, and they say
Speaker 5: that I'm quote unquote overwhelming, and I try not to
Speaker 5: do it anymore because people just start to back away.
Speaker 5: So now at work, I aim for about seventy five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you also you don't want to raise people's
Speaker 3: expectations firstly, and also you don't want to burn out,
Speaker 3: no exactly, And if you're aiming for one hundred percent
Speaker 3: all day, I feel as though what I have in
Speaker 3: my life is one hundred percent moments where I can
Speaker 3: give one hundred percent for forty five minutes, or like
Speaker 3: if I go to the gym, I'll try and give
Speaker 3: one hundred percent for literally one minute, and I'll just
Speaker 3: like see that because I.
Speaker 1: Do a high intensity interval tree.
Speaker 3: Every now and then, I try to get my heart
Speaker 3: right out really hard for a minute.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 4: I'm going to give it a little bit.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, if you wanted to give one
Speaker 3: hundred percent every time you went to the gym, you'd
Speaker 3: never go to the gym because that's just daunting. So
Speaker 3: you've got to understand that when you go, you only really.
Speaker 4: Need to be giving it seventy percent.
Speaker 2: I'd set on my exercise bike and I am giving
Speaker 2: it thirty eight. And I'm saying to myself, well, at
Speaker 2: least i'm here, it's better than not being here at all.
Speaker 2: But someone on TikTok is nearly always telling me that's
Speaker 2: not true. They are always telling me, if you're not
Speaker 2: killing yourself and sweating your guts out, what are you
Speaker 2: even do it here? And I'm like, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Now that Amelia has told me this, I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Say you.
Speaker 2: And I need to get into your settings and sort
Speaker 2: you out. Pushing back down to a thirty eight.
Speaker 4: Can make out a battery at two pm.
Speaker 5: I'm going to take it to the next level this
Speaker 5: theory about battery and say, Mia has this concept that
Speaker 5: I think about a lot called intimacy leaking. Yes, yep,
Speaker 5: this idea that if you're in a romantic relationship with
Speaker 5: someone a monogamous from romantic relationship, I guess is the
Speaker 5: way to describe it here. And then you start telling
Speaker 5: people in your life who are not your partner sort
Speaker 5: of details of how you're truly feeling or really difficult
Speaker 5: things you're struggling with. You're leaking intimacy from your relationship.
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking of this as kind of like a
Speaker 5: battery leak. You can't be giving too much of your
Speaker 5: battery to other people. That's my extension of the wire
Speaker 5: cutter theory.
Speaker 1: Oh, like it's leaking out, it's leaking battery.
Speaker 5: So I think you just got to be mindful of
Speaker 5: where your battery's going as well, in addition to being
Speaker 5: mindful of what level the batteries are.
Speaker 2: Is like, let's have another analogy. Remember how Taylor Swift,
Speaker 2: the Overlord of the Women of the World, made that
Speaker 2: statement about how treat your energy like it's expressive. This
Speaker 2: is kind of like that. So if I'm cleaning my kitchen, look,
Speaker 2: forty two is plenty, Like forty two percent is plenty
Speaker 2: as long as someone's getting yes, But I have to
Speaker 2: scrub every little gap.
Speaker 5: Child used all your battery on cleaning the kitchen, and
Speaker 5: then your kids came home and you had nothing.
Speaker 2: To yes exactly, but my energy is expensive. So when
Speaker 2: the kid walks in the door, this theory is at
Speaker 2: least i'd be and I say, so happy to see you, darling.
Speaker 2: Did you have a wonderful day. I'm going to put
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. Make sure you feel.
Speaker 3: Now I'm going to couch that because I don't think
Speaker 3: we should ever be giving one hundred percent to parenting,
Speaker 3: because again, it's about expectations. You can't have them expect
Speaker 3: that you're going to be cooking and clin.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: But I've got a theory about children in general. This
Speaker 5: is not about parents. Tony Morrison once told Michelle Obama,
Speaker 5: you get that, So this is a third hand I
Speaker 5: didn't hear it from Why Live in Directly. She said
Speaker 5: that whenever a child walks in the room, you must
Speaker 5: beam and act extremely excited because all children expect that
Speaker 5: when they enter a room. Adults like act like they're
Speaker 5: a joy in a miracle, which they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I support that scene.
Speaker 1: And that's like at least five percent of your daily
Speaker 1: battery on a child.
Speaker 5: So if you're a teacher, I'm sorry, I don't know
Speaker 5: how you're handling it.
Speaker 2: Also, it depends on what base you're coming from, Like
Speaker 2: if you're hungover or sick or exhausted, or your bosses
Speaker 2: and then the child, then you're coming from five percent
Speaker 2: to one hundred and that takes a lot like that.
Speaker 4: Okay, I have another application, and it's to do with appearance.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Do you ever like you doing your makeup?
Speaker 2: And you go, I.
Speaker 3: Could, I could contour, I could give it one, but
Speaker 3: my nose.
Speaker 1: Is just going to be as wide as it actually.
Speaker 4: Is today exactly. And you go, you know what, I
Speaker 4: want to be relatable. I want them to like it.
Speaker 3: If I look too good, then I'm going to walk
Speaker 3: into work. I'm going to make everyone feel like she's Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, this is a problem that clearly you are.
Speaker 1: I have to live with it.
Speaker 3: I have a friend who's too attractive, right, And we
Speaker 3: were saying recently she wasn't there. There were just men
Speaker 3: flocking to her, which is interesting because they didn't see us,
Speaker 3: but they flocked to her, and we all said it
Speaker 3: would be hard being.
Speaker 4: That beautiful because it's distracting.
Speaker 1: When you speak to the men flocking, it sounds like seagulls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we go out to dinner, she gets harassed.
Speaker 2: Can she turn it down from herd I don't know.
Speaker 3: And maybe she can turn it down to ninety, but
Speaker 3: I can easily turn it to like an eighteen, and
Speaker 3: I think that that is a superpower.
Speaker 5: Final question low battery mode. What is the human equivalent
Speaker 5: of low battery mode, which, by the way, feels like magic.
Speaker 5: Every time I put on low battery mode, I'm like,
Speaker 5: I just conducted a magic trick.
Speaker 2: I know, closing all your tabs. It's closing all your tabs.
Speaker 2: Low battery mode is what I've been operating in while
Speaker 2: I've been poorly lately, and out Loud has been very
Speaker 2: sick of I'm sure hearing about me being poorly. Actually,
Speaker 2: this is true. People like to blame you for your illnesses,
Speaker 2: don't they. So when I said to anyone lately, I've
Speaker 2: had the flu, they've blamed it on one hundred percent theory.
Speaker 2: They've said, no, I think about it. Oh, it's because
Speaker 2: you worked too hard. I just caught the flu. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think it has anything to do with anything
Speaker 2: other than that I caught a sickness.
Speaker 4: You went to low power mode.
Speaker 2: I went to low power mode for two weeks, very
Speaker 2: little movement. Yes, if I was a fat bear, I
Speaker 2: would have been eating a lot of salmon, but not
Speaker 2: moving much, storing myself up, just barely raising the head
Speaker 2: from the bed to smile winningly at the children when
Speaker 2: they came royally. That was great. Low power mode was good.
Speaker 4: You're doing everything to not just die.
Speaker 2: Literally, I think that low power mode can get the
Speaker 2: job done if needed. Jesse, why didn't you tell me
Speaker 2: that Luca was running in the Berlin Marathon last weekend?
Speaker 2: I saw him in the office on Monday and I
Speaker 2: was like, how you in Berlin? Like? The reason I
Speaker 2: ask is that my boyfriend, Harry Stoyles's and don't worry
Speaker 2: out loud, it would be very inappropriate. Harry Styles was
Speaker 2: my boyfriend, very inappropriate. But we all know I love him.
Speaker 2: He ran the bill in marathon on the weekend, in
Speaker 2: Marathon full marin.
Speaker 1: It was a good time, right, six fifty.
Speaker 2: Under three hours, which is a goal for many people.
Speaker 2: This whole other thing about how much I love gap
Speaker 2: here Harry Styles. But quite a lot of people when
Speaker 2: Mom and Maya posted about this said they thought it
Speaker 2: was Luca. That's the picture of Harry Styles is annoying.
Speaker 2: The people generally thinking that Lucas.
Speaker 4: Hast so annoying.
Speaker 3: Look, someone said it before and then we've never brought
Speaker 3: it up again. But it is so annoying to make
Speaker 3: that comparison, like it gives someone such a big hit Jersey.
Speaker 5: Sorry, let's recap here. You've been told in recent weeks
Speaker 5: you look like Sidney Sweeney. Luke has been Tory looks
Speaker 5: like Harry Styles.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, did Luca love this Harry Styles thing?
Speaker 5: And is he kind of bringing it up at like
Speaker 5: inappropriate at moments?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And look I can kind of see it.
Speaker 3: He's got a headband and some sunglasses on in a
Speaker 3: little bit of facial hair.
Speaker 4: But there's no way that Luke's running a marathon. It's
Speaker 4: just not him.
Speaker 2: I just love that Harry Styles. And I've been on
Speaker 2: this podcast winging about how much I want a new
Speaker 2: Harry Styles album. Harry Styles is just like I am
Speaker 2: living my life. I want to know what it's like
Speaker 2: to run a marathon. I'm dating Zoe Kravitz. Were in
Speaker 2: Rome or in New York. We're in London where wherever
Speaker 2: he is spending his money, he is having a great time.
Speaker 2: Here is my new role model.
Speaker 5: So with Zoe Kravitz, she is dating him, she is
Speaker 5: dating him. There was some confusion that was.
Speaker 2: The bait and switched the Austin what's his name, hot man, very.
Speaker 4: Hot Austin Butler Australian.
Speaker 2: No, he's not and he looks Australian, but he's not.
Speaker 2: Everyone thought she was dating Austin Butler, but they were
Speaker 2: just doing very good chemistry. For she is dating Harry Styles,
Speaker 2: or at least she has been. And some people say
Speaker 2: he had a fake name and everything in the marathon,
Speaker 2: not that I've done a deep dive and she was
Speaker 2: there and maybe also in cognito cheering him on. But
Speaker 2: he is living his best life. And everyone's like, look
Speaker 2: at Taylor Swift. She's released like twenty five albums since
Speaker 2: you did Harry's House, Harry, get your shit together, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, I'm full respectful. I was going to
Speaker 2: say them fat bear mode.
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, he's definitely not taking
Speaker 3: it to one hundred percent, but then I realize he
Speaker 3: just ran a marathon, so you might shit.
Speaker 2: Can you run a marathon in low power? After the break,
Speaker 2: soft Pants be damned? Dressing for Work is.
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Speaker 2: Are you wearing right now? Out louders you want to
Speaker 2: find out liking to imagine that. I don't think very
Speaker 2: many of our louders are this, but you know how
Speaker 2: there are all those bros who pretend they're working while
Speaker 2: listening to their favorite podcasts. Yeah, or watching it on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Maybe there are some outlouders doing that. If so, what
Speaker 2: is your current worker tire? Because apparently the mass return
Speaker 2: to office work in Australia we're judged to be at
Speaker 2: about seventy seven percent from pre COVID levels.
Speaker 4: Of as in back to the office full time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know how much the back to the
Speaker 2: office conversation anoys, teachers, nurses, doctors, you know, retail workers.
Speaker 2: I know this not everybody, but this is about people
Speaker 2: who pre COVID were in office were apparently about seventy
Speaker 2: seven percent return, So lots of back to the office
Speaker 2: and apparently what's come with this is a bit of
Speaker 2: pearl clutching about the fact that a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't know how to dress for the office anymore and
Speaker 2: we are in a full return to corporate ware. Listen
Speaker 2: to this. It's a collection of mostly female managers having
Speaker 2: a winge about their mostly younger colleagues what they're wearing
Speaker 2: to the office. They had an assistant show up tour
Speaker 2: in joggers, no makeup.
Speaker 4: She sat down at the table to begin working.
Speaker 5: I instantly had this gut reaction of no, this doesn't represent.
Speaker 2: Our client who we are becoming.
Speaker 5: It didn't work for me, and from that day forward,
Speaker 5: I have enforced this dress code, not only for my
Speaker 5: team but for myself.
Speaker 1: When I get dressed for my top client every day,
Speaker 1: even though I'm.
Speaker 5: Seeing no one potentially but my team, it improves productivity.
Speaker 1: There is it's neuroscience fact.
Speaker 4: You're going to have a more successful day. You're telling
Speaker 4: your body in your mind you are here to work.
Speaker 2: It occurs to me that some of you have not
Speaker 2: or do not have a grown up telling you how
Speaker 2: to dress in the workplace.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to talk about your outfit today.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about it.
Speaker 7: We have a huge client meeting today, a customer worth
Speaker 7: a lot of money who's expecting like the utmost professionalism,
Speaker 7: and some people on your team really not comfortable with
Speaker 7: what you're wearing today.
Speaker 2: So that's a collection of tiktoks and reels from Australia
Speaker 2: and America of basically bosses bitching about the fact that
Speaker 2: nobody knows how to dress anymore. Now that's why you're seeing.
Speaker 2: I'm certainly seeing on my social's lots of what I
Speaker 2: watered the office reels right, lots of people putting together
Speaker 2: their fashion and Vogue Australia declares that business casual is
Speaker 2: dead and we're now into corporate core and there are
Speaker 2: all these different trends with it that go office siren,
Speaker 2: corp core, corporate fetish. Dressing for work is back. But
Speaker 2: don't tell Emily Vernon because I checked in with her
Speaker 2: today about this. I said, Duhl, did you dress for
Speaker 2: work today? And you know what she said? She said,
Speaker 2: I'm literally wearing see through linen pants that I may
Speaker 2: or may not have slept it. I think that illustrates
Speaker 2: the problem here, friends, are we dressing for work?
Speaker 3: It is so funny because you put this in yesterday
Speaker 3: like a story about this, and at almost exactly the
Speaker 3: same time, I got a message in one of my
Speaker 3: biggest group chats from someone saying apparently I have to
Speaker 3: dress corporate.
Speaker 4: Where is everyone shopping?
Speaker 3: And I was like, I have not seen that question
Speaker 3: in such a long time, and it made me think
Speaker 3: about a few things. The first is that if you've
Speaker 3: been working a few days in the office, the difference
Speaker 3: between two or three and five is an entire wardrobe
Speaker 3: you need five, or you feel like you need five
Speaker 3: different outfits or at least different things to put together.
Speaker 3: The other is a change of season, is that it
Speaker 3: might be the first warm season that you've looked around
Speaker 3: and gone, how do you dress for warm?
Speaker 4: In the corporate vibe?
Speaker 3: But then I tried to find evidence of this, and
Speaker 3: I was looking at data about the term relaxed dress,
Speaker 3: and apparently in Australian job postings it's up. So a
Speaker 3: lot of sectors are saying that they're encouraging relaxed dress,
Speaker 3: especially in the Act and Queensland.
Speaker 4: The theory is that it's influenced from the tech sector.
Speaker 3: So because the tech sector has always been about pushing
Speaker 3: against office norms. Think about your friends who work for
Speaker 3: kind of really hip, techy places and they just wear
Speaker 3: jeans and sneakers or whatever. Apparently that has leaked into accounting, legal,
Speaker 3: banking and finance it and there's been an increasing casualization
Speaker 3: of how people.
Speaker 2: But that's why there's a pushback on it now.
Speaker 1: Right, well, I smell a rap.
Speaker 5: I think the reason why this discussion is kind of
Speaker 5: seemingly surfacing organically on TikTok and elsewhere is because employers
Speaker 5: are unhappy with hybrid work and they want to change
Speaker 5: the game, and they think that if they get people
Speaker 5: to buy enough.
Speaker 1: Clothes, they'll become more happy about going into.
Speaker 2: Lim somewhere to wear them to exactly.
Speaker 5: So I think it's also especially a story about the
Speaker 5: corporate sector, because yeah, the point about tech is well taken.
Speaker 5: They've always dressed a bit differently. But look at the
Speaker 5: fact that the staff at the big four banks in
Speaker 5: Australia have all been called back to work full time.
Speaker 5: Also tab Corp and then Mineral Resources, that company in
Speaker 5: Perth where the CEO said he wanted to hold the
Speaker 5: staff captive. The staff are captive. They're back at work.
Speaker 5: So I think smart casual that in the corporate sector
Speaker 5: there's this real sense of we're paying you enough, why
Speaker 5: aren't you here five days a week? And they think
Speaker 5: that clothing is kind of the incentive to get people back.
Speaker 2: Because as that piece in Vogue was saying that like
Speaker 2: they're make trying to make corporate wear sexy. So it's
Speaker 2: all about trying to appear like that. This is great.
Speaker 2: This is a whole vibe to be coming out of
Speaker 2: the office, getting dressed up, being sharp, and that what
Speaker 2: I'm seeing. And you know, I don't speak fashion, I'm
Speaker 2: not mere, but what I'm seeing in a lot of
Speaker 2: these videos is lots of tailored pants, maybe a waistcoat
Speaker 2: if you're like a hot thing who can have your arms.
Speaker 2: Lots of draped blazer yet lots of blazers, heels seem
Speaker 2: to be back, a bit of a pointed toe seems
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: Back officially pointed toes, back.
Speaker 2: Slicked back hair. I think about and we've talked about
Speaker 2: her on the show before, but you know, some of
Speaker 2: the iconic girl bosses of the moment, like Emma Greed,
Speaker 2: we've talked about her before. She's the woman behind skims
Speaker 2: and all of those. She posts every week things I
Speaker 2: want to the office every week, and it's her coming
Speaker 2: out of the office lift in ever more elegant clothes.
Speaker 1: Are they corporate or are they kind of more straddling like.
Speaker 2: What modern corporate means, because she's not in a suit,
Speaker 2: but she's definitely I think the word we would be
Speaker 2: looking for is polished.
Speaker 4: She and jeans.
Speaker 2: She lives in jeans on a non meeting day, but
Speaker 2: they're very elegant jeens. What I was asking em when
Speaker 2: I asked her about her in pas, I promise it
Speaker 2: wasn't passac. It's basically I wonder if there's a generational
Speaker 2: piece to this. But I definitely think that I have
Speaker 2: work clothes and non work clothes. Even though I wear
Speaker 2: jeans and things to work. I definitely dress differently on
Speaker 2: a day when I'm coming into the office here at
Speaker 2: Mamma Mia than I do when I'm at home in Hip.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's true for a lot
Speaker 2: of the younger people who came of work age during COVID.
Speaker 2: I definitely have spoken to colleagues where I say, oh,
Speaker 2: these are work clothes, and they look at me a
Speaker 2: bit blankly, like what do you mean working? Yeah.
Speaker 3: So apparently self expression has become increasingly for GenZ and
Speaker 3: millennial They've never really understood fashion without self expression, like
Speaker 3: I'm going to show who I am, whether it's with
Speaker 3: like a baseball hat or sneakers or something. They want
Speaker 3: to look like themselves. Whereas when I first started in
Speaker 3: the workplace. I worked in a school ADMINI thing like
Speaker 3: I just copied exactly what everyone else was wearing, and
Speaker 3: it was a pencil skirt, like that's the kind of
Speaker 3: thing you did, which I felt incredibly uncomfortable in. But
Speaker 3: I found this article in the Washington Post and it's
Speaker 3: Lizzy Post, who works for the Emily Post Institute. Emily
Speaker 3: Post was her great great grandmother, and she does all
Speaker 3: the etiquette guides. Oh good, And she has business etiquette
Speaker 3: and rules for what you have to wear to the office.
Speaker 4: Do you want to hear some of them this year
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five?
Speaker 5: But I will say, if soft pants is on there,
Speaker 5: I'm walking out. And there's been enough aggression towards soft
Speaker 5: pants today.
Speaker 3: Well, she says, and this is important for summer. We're
Speaker 3: going into a summer in Australia and there's a big
Speaker 3: question regardings.
Speaker 2: Assuming the rapture doesn't happen exactly true, that would be
Speaker 2: one of the reliefs of the rapture. We don't have
Speaker 2: to think about what to wear to the office tomorrow.
Speaker 3: The shoe to foot ratio, right, okay, shoes to foot ratio,
Speaker 3: So we wear a sandal, how much sand or can
Speaker 3: we get away with right?
Speaker 4: This is the big question.
Speaker 3: So she says that the shoe to foot visibility ratio
Speaker 3: remains tipped in the balance of the shoe, so anything
Speaker 3: that starts to have the majority of the foot exposed
Speaker 3: starts to become questionable. So if I can say too
Speaker 3: much foot, apparently that's a no no. Right, you've got
Speaker 3: to have most of your foot covered. Rule iron your clothes, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, did you really have to be told that,
Speaker 3: jo I do iron my clothes, and every comment is.
Speaker 1: A shower and a coat hanger.
Speaker 4: I try, I try, but I actually iron them.
Speaker 3: And every time we post videos to the outloud as
Speaker 3: they say, Jesse ironing, I do.
Speaker 2: But I'm the same as you. There are some people
Speaker 2: who are really good at ironing, and I'm doing it right,
Speaker 2: I'm terrible.
Speaker 1: I think iron your clothes.
Speaker 5: Probably if you gathered up all the comments on the
Speaker 5: internet since it began when our Dore started at back
Speaker 5: in two thousand, I think iron your clothes.
Speaker 4: And then mostly about me. Jeans are allowed.
Speaker 3: According to her, a particular type of gene loves a
Speaker 3: straight leg, and she says the higher the waist, the better.
Speaker 1: The Princess Die the twee blazer exactly.
Speaker 4: You cannot wear the same socks you wear to the gym.
Speaker 1: No, but socks.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry with respect to the Post family, who I
Speaker 5: know have been dispensing and I could advise for generations.
Speaker 1: Socks is a whole other thing right now.
Speaker 4: So you can have like a statement.
Speaker 1: So it's too many rules.
Speaker 5: I just I'm paralyzed by indecision on the sock front.
Speaker 5: I don't understand what socks are appropriate anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, I found myself buying some statement socks on
Speaker 2: the internet when I was statements, and then I thought,
Speaker 2: this is yet another one of these examples in my
Speaker 2: life where Mia was buying statements socks literally and we
Speaker 2: were laughing at her one year ago. We were pointing
Speaker 2: at her stupid socks and going ha ha ha. And
Speaker 2: then I just bought some sparkly mesh mid cuff, strangely
Speaker 2: bronze socks for too much money on the Internet, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, OK, this is another example of how she's
Speaker 2: always right ahead.
Speaker 4: Of the curt So backpacks are the new briefcase.
Speaker 2: You happy you always have. I mean, I have a
Speaker 2: backpack too, but you've had piss taken out of you
Speaker 2: about your Josh Live.
Speaker 3: And backpack for a while, for a very long time.
Speaker 3: And this is the last one. T shirt rule, big
Speaker 3: question about T shirts. All T shirts are not made equally.
Speaker 3: You have to have a slightly thicker or softer fabric.
Speaker 3: You need to tread carefully with logos, words and non
Speaker 3: abstract images for example, a T shirt with them a
Speaker 3: tease painting.
Speaker 4: Fine. A T shirt with a cartoon character. No, so
Speaker 4: that's the rule. Would you wear a T shirt?
Speaker 3: I've never seen you wear a T shirt shirt. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't mind. I make a T shirt look very cheap.
Speaker 2: My uniform is shirts. As you know, I've got a
Speaker 2: lot of shirts, which means I do have to iron them,
Speaker 2: which is annoying. I wear a lot of shirts. I
Speaker 2: would not wear a T shirt with the cartoon encouragement.
Speaker 2: But if we instilled that, if we instilled that rule
Speaker 2: at MoMA Mere, there would be no one out there
Speaker 2: and they're all wearing T shirts.
Speaker 3: Another fun one is that you can wear a hat,
Speaker 3: but you must take it off for your meeting. Hat
Speaker 3: then a fascinator like what from morning meeting?
Speaker 4: By sorry, guys, just take my hat off out loud as,
Speaker 4: what are.
Speaker 2: You wearing to work? Like? Tell us and people started
Speaker 2: talking to you about your clothes. Those tiktoks that we
Speaker 2: played a bit of before, there's just these women walking
Speaker 2: up to their coworkers and assistance and being like this.
Speaker 1: No, not working.
Speaker 4: Really, out Louders, tell.
Speaker 2: Us how you're doing it?
Speaker 1: I think that's it.
Speaker 2: I think we've exhausted Wednesday.
Speaker 4: Yep, solved the problem in the world today.
Speaker 2: Massive thank you to all of you out louders for
Speaker 2: being here with us. As always, we're going to be
Speaker 2: back in your ears of course tomorrow, and don't forget
Speaker 2: if you want to look at what we're wearing to
Speaker 2: work today, at least the top half of it. Can't
Speaker 2: check our socks. You'll find us on YouTube.
Speaker 3: And out Louders if you missed Monday's episode. We talked
Speaker 3: about the latest development in what I am terming the
Speaker 3: Internet's biggest cheating scandal. We also talk about what is
Speaker 3: going on with Jimmy Kimmel and all the stuff you
Speaker 3: might have missed, and why are you ugly cry on
Speaker 3: your birthday every year?
Speaker 4: You're not alone?
Speaker 3: We unpack why it's a super common thing to do,
Speaker 3: and my Mum got so offended by what I said,
Speaker 3: she commented in the out.
Speaker 2: Special group, Anne Stevens continues to be dry Connie. She
Speaker 2: was just like Jesse had a winge about her birthday.
Speaker 2: You have to go listen, and Anne was just like
Speaker 2: not having it.
Speaker 4: Not having any of it. We will pop a link
Speaker 4: in the show notes. Bye bye.
Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you
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