WEBVTT - “Tough It Out”. The Announcement That Upset Us More Than We Expected 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.341 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:22.541 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 0:00:22.582 --> 0:00:25.262 MoMA Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually talking 0:00:25.302 --> 0:00:28.582 about on Wednesday, the twenty fourth of September. And my 0:00:28.742 --> 0:00:30.302 name is Hollywayen. 0:00:29.902 --> 0:00:32.862 Right, I'm Jesse Stevens, and my name is Amelia Lester, 0:00:33.182 --> 0:00:35.702 and I have something to tease before we get into 0:00:35.742 --> 0:00:40.302 today's show. Remember our Taro card reader friend Evelyn. She 0:00:40.582 --> 0:00:43.382 said during the episode. I can't remember if it was 0:00:43.382 --> 0:00:45.342 a subscriber, if it was on the main episode, but 0:00:45.422 --> 0:00:47.302 she said there will be a big. 0:00:47.182 --> 0:00:48.582 Announcement coming on out Loud. 0:00:48.782 --> 0:00:49.902 She did two weeks. 0:00:50.022 --> 0:00:52.382 Yeah, she said this, and I was like, I'd shore, 0:00:52.422 --> 0:00:54.822 I'm not. There is a big announcement coming on out 0:00:54.862 --> 0:00:58.142 Loud on Friday. That is my teas. Be the first 0:00:58.182 --> 0:01:00.462 to listen. It drops a bit earlier on a Friday, make. 0:01:00.342 --> 0:01:02.182 Sure you're on that show, and make sure. 0:01:02.102 --> 0:01:05.542 Because there's some exciting news. So there's my little teas 0:01:05.581 --> 0:01:06.102 for Friday. 0:01:06.262 --> 0:01:08.782 That is as much as we're giving you, we are mean. 0:01:09.661 --> 0:01:13.782 But on today's show, here is what made our agenda. 0:01:13.102 --> 0:01:16.982 An announcement from President Trump this week about pregnancy autism 0:01:17.102 --> 0:01:20.862 and paracetamol upset me even more than I expected. We 0:01:20.982 --> 0:01:24.262 discussed the new directive for pregnant women, which is to 0:01:24.262 --> 0:01:25.142 tough it out. 0:01:25.382 --> 0:01:27.742 I've got a phone charging theory, which is not just 0:01:27.782 --> 0:01:28.502 about phones. 0:01:28.622 --> 0:01:30.022 I'm going to tell you about it. 0:01:29.982 --> 0:01:34.222 And tremble in your soft pants. Friends. Your office attire 0:01:34.342 --> 0:01:36.782 is not appropriate and you need to get ready to 0:01:36.822 --> 0:01:40.142 be shamed about it because dressing for work is back. 0:01:40.542 --> 0:01:42.622 But first, Amelia Lester. 0:01:42.702 --> 0:01:44.622 Yeah, in case you missed it, I got some good 0:01:44.662 --> 0:01:46.742 news and some bad news. I guess I'll tell you 0:01:46.742 --> 0:01:47.662 the good news first. 0:01:48.142 --> 0:01:50.902 The bears. The bears are getting fatter than ever. Do 0:01:50.982 --> 0:01:52.142 you know what I'm talking about it? 0:01:52.182 --> 0:01:53.542 Are you talking about fat Bear Week? 0:01:53.662 --> 0:01:56.222 It is fat bear Week? Can we have a vovo 0:01:56.582 --> 0:01:59.182 zailor sound just there? Is that? 0:01:59.262 --> 0:02:00.742 The word I don't know is that the. 0:02:00.702 --> 0:02:06.422 Word Voting has opened for the eleventh year of this 0:02:06.542 --> 0:02:09.862 contest that's run by the Alaska National Park to German, 0:02:09.982 --> 0:02:11.901 who the fattest bear is? 0:02:11.901 --> 0:02:14.181 Is that? Because it's so it's seasonal right, they're about 0:02:14.181 --> 0:02:16.542 to go into hibernation and they've got to carblow it? 0:02:16.582 --> 0:02:18.542 Is that great protein fish load. 0:02:19.022 --> 0:02:20.181 They're up your alley, Holly. 0:02:20.222 --> 0:02:22.662 They're all about the protein. They need nothing but salmon. 0:02:22.702 --> 0:02:25.782 Think of their skin so radiant goodness. So you go 0:02:25.862 --> 0:02:29.342 and watch a webcam of bears feeding at Brooks Falls, 0:02:29.422 --> 0:02:32.142 which is a very beautiful looking place in Alaska, and 0:02:32.181 --> 0:02:35.342 they're all eating their salmon, and then you vote on 0:02:35.422 --> 0:02:38.342 which bear you think has fattened up the most over 0:02:38.382 --> 0:02:41.621 the summer for the coming winter hibernation. And the voting 0:02:41.622 --> 0:02:44.422 has just opened for this year. The contest is open 0:02:44.502 --> 0:02:46.262 to all the bears in the park. There's about two 0:02:46.342 --> 0:02:49.062 thy three hundred of them. As long as they are 0:02:49.062 --> 0:02:50.262 sufficiently chunky. 0:02:50.542 --> 0:02:53.381 They must be trying the big bears, only to think 0:02:53.382 --> 0:02:55.901 that they're stoked when they find that the camera's following them. 0:02:56.181 --> 0:02:59.222 Yes, there are some there definitely are more into it 0:02:59.262 --> 0:03:02.222 than others. Bears double their weight over the summer in 0:03:02.262 --> 0:03:04.942 preparation for hibernation, which I just love as. 0:03:04.862 --> 0:03:07.662 A fat fighting each other for the Yes. 0:03:07.502 --> 0:03:08.381 They're fighting each other. 0:03:08.862 --> 0:03:10.422 And I want to give a special shout out to 0:03:10.462 --> 0:03:13.302 the adult females because I learned that basically they have 0:03:13.382 --> 0:03:16.462 to get fat because they give birth to cubs midwinter 0:03:16.902 --> 0:03:19.181 and then they're in the cave with them nursing them 0:03:19.742 --> 0:03:21.302 until they come out in the spring. 0:03:21.422 --> 0:03:22.942 But they're not eating anything. 0:03:22.582 --> 0:03:26.022 For that whole time, so they give birth and nurse 0:03:26.462 --> 0:03:28.782 and there's no food until they exit. 0:03:28.862 --> 0:03:31.862 Apparently they've got particularly fat this season because there's been 0:03:31.862 --> 0:03:34.222 a lot of food in the past, has been fighting 0:03:34.382 --> 0:03:37.302 when it's been limited. But the ranger has said the 0:03:37.302 --> 0:03:39.822 bears are extremely fat this year, and I'm looking forward 0:03:39.902 --> 0:03:42.262 to seeing how people react to how fat they are. 0:03:42.422 --> 0:03:47.142 Okay, how people react with shock and awe and a 0:03:47.262 --> 0:03:49.702 tape measure in hand. I saw my bucket list to 0:03:49.742 --> 0:03:52.422 go and see those beads. Me too, I would love too. 0:03:52.502 --> 0:03:54.142 But maybe it's not as good as it sounds. Maybe 0:03:54.142 --> 0:03:55.542 there's just like a horde of people. 0:03:55.542 --> 0:03:57.582 Look, there's a webcam. I would say, you don't need 0:03:57.622 --> 0:03:59.342 to get on a plane. The webcam will give it 0:03:59.342 --> 0:04:01.622 all to you. There's a guy named Mike Fitz who's 0:04:01.662 --> 0:04:04.382 a ranger who won the first year of the contest, 0:04:04.502 --> 0:04:07.062 and he said that the reason why people love this, Yes, 0:04:07.102 --> 0:04:09.302 it's because the news is full of doom and gloom 0:04:09.302 --> 0:04:11.622 and it's respite from that. But also, and I want 0:04:11.622 --> 0:04:14.422 to get this quote right, because it's delightful. Beyond that, 0:04:14.702 --> 0:04:19.342 people just like looking at photos of round animals. 0:04:19.502 --> 0:04:22.302 Round animal that's why we like. Look. 0:04:23.582 --> 0:04:26.382 Okay, be thinking about the round animals. Because now I've 0:04:26.381 --> 0:04:29.141 got the bad news. Okay, the bad news is the 0:04:29.222 --> 0:04:30.382 rapture is coming today. 0:04:30.621 --> 0:04:32.381 I've heard about their Somlia. 0:04:32.022 --> 0:04:33.021 Get your affairs in order. 0:04:33.101 --> 0:04:36.981 People are apparently selling their houses, which confuses me because 0:04:37.022 --> 0:04:39.222 if the rapture's coming, why do you need to sell 0:04:39.222 --> 0:04:41.942 your house. But anyway, that's what they're doing. They're quitting 0:04:41.981 --> 0:04:45.181 their jobs, they're packing up their pets. And it all 0:04:45.222 --> 0:04:48.742 started because a South African evangelical pastor whose name is 0:04:48.902 --> 0:04:53.662 Joshua Malacala insisted that the world is going to be 0:04:53.782 --> 0:04:56.662 ending on September twenty three, twenty four. We're not quite sure. 0:04:56.421 --> 0:04:59.781 Which apparently with Australian time difference twenty four twenty fifth, 0:04:59.782 --> 0:05:02.462 which is today or tomorrow. Yes, so, Ameilia, the rapture 0:05:02.702 --> 0:05:06.142 is correct me if I'm wrong. The idea is that 0:05:06.181 --> 0:05:12.262 what happens is holy, but it's like Jesus comes back 0:05:12.301 --> 0:05:14.421 and takes all the good people. Is that the shortcut? 0:05:14.782 --> 0:05:17.861 It's not good for you and it's goods fine. 0:05:18.022 --> 0:05:20.941 Imagine if we came into work tomorrow, and Jesse was 0:05:20.981 --> 0:05:24.061 just gone, like her chair was empty, her cup was 0:05:24.142 --> 0:05:27.582 undrunk from like, you know, her sandwich wrapper was just there. 0:05:27.741 --> 0:05:30.101 I'm gonna leave my clothes behind, so it looks like 0:05:30.142 --> 0:05:31.301 I've just descended. 0:05:31.462 --> 0:05:34.741 And we were like, we were laughing about this. Imagine. 0:05:34.861 --> 0:05:37.182 Yeah, I really liked the TikTok of the woman. There's 0:05:37.181 --> 0:05:39.222 a lot of people explaining to people in their lives 0:05:39.262 --> 0:05:40.501 how to survive without them after. 0:05:40.342 --> 0:05:41.581 The wrapper because they're going up. 0:05:41.662 --> 0:05:43.581 Yeah, a wife. 0:05:43.301 --> 0:05:46.381 Being like, I know, I'm going like absolutely, I've lived 0:05:46.381 --> 0:05:49.342 a moral, good life. But she's explaining to her husband 0:05:49.462 --> 0:05:52.302 how to do things when she's off. You've got to 0:05:52.301 --> 0:05:55.182 be outside, I think, to ascend. But her husband she's 0:05:55.181 --> 0:05:55.582 going this. 0:05:55.541 --> 0:05:57.501 Are you sorry, You've got to be outside? 0:05:57.981 --> 0:05:58.582 Gonna hit the roof? 0:05:58.621 --> 0:05:59.061 Familiar? 0:05:59.181 --> 0:06:03.022 Oh my goodness, Jesus sorted that out. 0:06:03.142 --> 0:06:04.981 No, you have to wait outside on your doors. 0:06:05.222 --> 0:06:07.861 Really worried about all these people sitting outside waiting for 0:06:07.861 --> 0:06:09.701 this to happen, and then if it doesn't happen, how 0:06:09.741 --> 0:06:12.342 they're going to get on with their lives on Thursday's. 0:06:11.662 --> 0:06:12.861 An embarrassing next day. 0:06:13.301 --> 0:06:15.502 There are some TikTok trends where it's going like they 0:06:15.501 --> 0:06:17.941 go through celebrities and who would ascend and who would not? 0:06:18.621 --> 0:06:22.502 So I would obviously ascend the Irwins, they say absolutely, 0:06:24.022 --> 0:06:26.621 But then the theory is Chris Hemsworth would ascend, but 0:06:26.741 --> 0:06:30.062 Liam Hemsworth wouldn't, which feels mean that me. 0:06:30.462 --> 0:06:32.902 And what about all the celebrities named Chris, I wonder 0:06:32.941 --> 0:06:33.301 which is. 0:06:33.501 --> 0:06:35.381 I know, I think it would be very very selective. 0:06:35.421 --> 0:06:36.222 You couldn't have them. 0:06:36.101 --> 0:06:37.381 All Chris Pine for sure. 0:06:37.702 --> 0:06:38.182 Yeah. 0:06:38.222 --> 0:06:41.101 And what they've done as well is that people are saying, yeah, look, 0:06:41.101 --> 0:06:43.582 if you're going to ascend, just leave all your designer 0:06:43.662 --> 0:06:46.181 items on your front port because they can be for 0:06:46.222 --> 0:06:47.821 the scavengers who are left like you, Holly. 0:06:48.022 --> 0:06:50.101 Ah. Is it too late for me to make it 0:06:50.142 --> 0:06:54.061 onto the vulture escalator because I feel like things are 0:06:54.061 --> 0:06:55.501 hard down here at the minute. I want to be 0:06:55.621 --> 0:07:00.222 up there singing to me Pedro Pascale's whispering, scoreless gossip 0:07:00.222 --> 0:07:00.501 in my ear. 0:07:00.582 --> 0:07:02.342 I'll give you my carcays, Holly, I'm not gonna need 0:07:02.342 --> 0:07:03.101 my car anymore. 0:07:03.301 --> 0:07:03.981 That's true. 0:07:06.301 --> 0:07:09.222 You can jump onto hashtag rapture talk if you want 0:07:09.262 --> 0:07:09.862 to learn more. 0:07:10.702 --> 0:07:13.702 I was shocked yesterday at how much an announcement from 0:07:13.742 --> 0:07:16.862 the White House ruined my day because this actually isn't 0:07:16.862 --> 0:07:21.182 a story about Trump or RFK Junior. It's a story 0:07:21.222 --> 0:07:25.102 about women who have been, are currently or will one 0:07:25.222 --> 0:07:28.702 day be pregnant. It's a story about people with an 0:07:28.742 --> 0:07:32.382 autism diagnosis. It's a story about the blame that we 0:07:32.622 --> 0:07:37.022 always apportioned to mothers. And it's also a story about misinformation, 0:07:37.462 --> 0:07:39.461 scientific rigor, and expertise. 0:07:40.622 --> 0:07:42.581 Deep breath, you might remember that. 0:07:44.222 --> 0:07:46.461 My whole thing is like, I'm not going to be 0:07:46.502 --> 0:07:50.622 troubled anymore by the craziness that's coming out of my 0:07:52.622 --> 0:07:54.342 So I'm going to be ferries en by this. But 0:07:54.422 --> 0:07:56.502 it's hard on this one. It's hard. 0:07:57.342 --> 0:08:00.582 You might remember President Donald Trump at Charlie Kirk's memorial 0:08:00.662 --> 0:08:04.622 service took that opportunity to say, I think we found 0:08:04.622 --> 0:08:05.502 an answer to autism. 0:08:05.622 --> 0:08:06.782 He teased us, just like. 0:08:06.702 --> 0:08:08.942 You did at the beginning of this leaf out of 0:08:08.941 --> 0:08:10.742 Trump's book, and he ta used us, and he said, 0:08:10.742 --> 0:08:14.222 I've got a big announcement coming well on Monday, US time, 0:08:14.302 --> 0:08:17.102 Trump staged a press conference, and here's a little bit 0:08:17.102 --> 0:08:17.742 of what he said. 0:08:17.982 --> 0:08:22.542 First, effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians at 0:08:22.582 --> 0:08:26.502 the use of I said, well, let's see how we 0:08:26.542 --> 0:08:35.742 say that. A said menefin acetamnefin I said, okay, which 0:08:35.782 --> 0:08:41.302 is basically commonly known as thailand all during pregnancy can 0:08:41.381 --> 0:08:48.422 be associated with a very increased risk of autism. For 0:08:48.462 --> 0:08:52.422 this reason, they are strongly recommending that women limit us 0:08:52.542 --> 0:08:59.462 during pregnancy unless medically necessary. That's, for instance, in cases 0:08:59.502 --> 0:09:03.782 of extremely high fever that you feel you can't tough 0:09:03.822 --> 0:09:04.982 it out, you can't do it. 0:09:05.102 --> 0:09:05.902 I guess there's that. 0:09:06.422 --> 0:09:10.622 It's a small number of cases, I think, But if 0:09:10.622 --> 0:09:12.502 you can't tough it out, if you can't do it. 0:09:12.782 --> 0:09:16.822 What a coherent and clear announcement about something so important. 0:09:16.822 --> 0:09:18.222 He sounds so well prepared now. 0:09:18.302 --> 0:09:20.102 I'm glad he was so well prepared. 0:09:20.422 --> 0:09:23.542 Now in Australia, the generic name for the medication he's 0:09:23.582 --> 0:09:27.422 talking about is paracetamol. Right, and Trump's announcement prompted a 0:09:27.542 --> 0:09:31.062 swift response from experts all over the world. In the 0:09:31.182 --> 0:09:34.062 United States, it was the American Academy of Obstetricians and 0:09:34.102 --> 0:09:37.582 Gynecologists who said, in more than two decades of research, 0:09:37.782 --> 0:09:40.782 not a single reputable study has successfully concluded that the 0:09:40.862 --> 0:09:44.062 use of this drug in any trimester of pregnancy causes 0:09:44.142 --> 0:09:49.222 neurodevelopmental disorders in children in Australia, the Therapeutic Goods Administration, 0:09:49.302 --> 0:09:52.942 the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, 0:09:52.942 --> 0:09:57.782 including every other reputable source of medical information, release statements 0:09:57.822 --> 0:10:01.502 assuring women that there is no link between paracetamol use 0:10:01.542 --> 0:10:05.422 in pregnancy and autism or ADHD. I could go into 0:10:05.462 --> 0:10:06.862 the studies, I'm not going to do that. We have 0:10:06.902 --> 0:10:10.302 an incredibly comprehensive episode of The Quickie Drop this morning. 0:10:10.542 --> 0:10:13.382 Highly recommend you listen to that. But Holly, what I 0:10:13.422 --> 0:10:16.782 want to know is why this has struck such a 0:10:16.902 --> 0:10:22.141 chord and why it feels particularly sinister, Like health misinformation 0:10:22.302 --> 0:10:24.982 is not new, there's nothing new about this. There's nothing unprecedented. 0:10:25.022 --> 0:10:29.582 There's not even anything particularly surprising, but it feels sinister. 0:10:30.182 --> 0:10:32.422 Well, I think it partly feels sinister because of the 0:10:32.462 --> 0:10:35.342 delivery mechanism. I mean, when we just played that clip, 0:10:35.502 --> 0:10:38.262 you know, this is the President of the United States, 0:10:38.262 --> 0:10:40.342 and whatever you think about him, that is a seat 0:10:40.382 --> 0:10:44.662 of enormous power, getting the entire world's media pretty much 0:10:44.702 --> 0:10:47.862 to turn their cameras on him for him to make 0:10:47.902 --> 0:10:54.822 a confusing incoherent, fearmongering announcement that is then immediately refuted 0:10:54.822 --> 0:10:57.702 by all these reputable organizations, as you've said, Jesse, but 0:10:57.742 --> 0:11:00.782 the damage is done. That announcement just sets off an 0:11:00.862 --> 0:11:06.582 explosion of shame and self loathing and panic and worry 0:11:07.422 --> 0:11:09.862 lots of different groups of people, as you've already you said, 0:11:09.902 --> 0:11:13.262 obviously women of childbearing age and pregnant women, but people 0:11:13.302 --> 0:11:17.182 with autism, because what Trump was essentially saying was autism 0:11:17.262 --> 0:11:19.382 is terrible and it should be eradicated. That's a whole 0:11:19.422 --> 0:11:22.542 thing that upsets an enormous number of people to say 0:11:23.382 --> 0:11:27.342 that women are somehow weak and selfish if they are 0:11:27.782 --> 0:11:31.542 addressing pain, wanting even to address pain and pregnancy, not 0:11:31.782 --> 0:11:35.902 toughing it out, and that whatever stage of all that 0:11:35.942 --> 0:11:38.622 you're at, And obviously I have lived experience here. I 0:11:38.622 --> 0:11:40.502 don't want to go into it in detail, but I've 0:11:40.542 --> 0:11:43.862 sat in those rooms and heard those diagnoses that this 0:11:44.062 --> 0:11:48.462 is your fault. Any difficult things that are coming your way, 0:11:48.502 --> 0:11:51.302 for either yourself or your child, it's. 0:11:51.102 --> 0:11:53.102 Your fault and your own selfishness. 0:11:53.222 --> 0:11:56.262 It's your selfish. And so no one would suggest that 0:11:56.302 --> 0:12:00.262 we should suppress any scientific evidence or findings to spare 0:12:00.302 --> 0:12:02.422 people's feelings, So I don't mean to sit here and 0:12:02.462 --> 0:12:05.942 go that makes me feel bad. So we shouldn't learn 0:12:05.982 --> 0:12:08.182 about autism and the causes of autism. That is not 0:12:08.902 --> 0:12:11.502 what I'm saying, or I think what anybody is saying. 0:12:12.022 --> 0:12:16.702 But it's just so enormously irresponsible, Am I right, Amelia? 0:12:16.782 --> 0:12:18.742 Is it enormously irresponsible? Yeah? 0:12:18.782 --> 0:12:23.782 Other presidents have dispensed health advice. So President Eisenhower recommended 0:12:23.782 --> 0:12:28.102 the polio vaccine. Barack Obama suggested people should quit smoking. 0:12:28.702 --> 0:12:31.422 But I think what's different about this is that he 0:12:31.622 --> 0:12:36.222 has departed from the entire medical establishment. And the reason 0:12:36.662 --> 0:12:39.662 that it catches on with people is because there's a 0:12:39.742 --> 0:12:43.422 vacuum of information right now about a perception that autism 0:12:43.502 --> 0:12:46.782 rates a rising in the population. And because there's that 0:12:46.862 --> 0:12:50.062 perception and the medical establishment hasn't yet figured out the 0:12:50.142 --> 0:12:52.822 no doubt complex causes for why this is or even 0:12:52.862 --> 0:12:56.142 if this is the case, people seese on a definite 0:12:56.182 --> 0:12:58.542 answer from someone, even if he doesn't know what he's 0:12:58.582 --> 0:12:59.222 talking about. 0:12:59.302 --> 0:13:01.942 I mean, and you can fact check so much of 0:13:01.942 --> 0:13:02.622 what he says. 0:13:02.702 --> 0:13:05.902 But I posted something on Instagram about it yesterday, and 0:13:05.942 --> 0:13:09.422 the messages I got back from women who broke d 0:13:09.822 --> 0:13:12.902 during pregnancy. That's what pregnancy did to them, the worst 0:13:12.942 --> 0:13:16.542 migraines of your life. I got COVID and the flu 0:13:16.942 --> 0:13:20.142 at like thirty five weeks pregnant, had a terrible fever. 0:13:20.822 --> 0:13:24.342 And what I didn't know before that pregnancy was the 0:13:24.382 --> 0:13:27.782 list of medicines I couldn't take, not just medicines, things 0:13:27.822 --> 0:13:31.062 you can't do, things you can't eat. Like to suggest 0:13:31.302 --> 0:13:36.261 that women are ever flippant about anything they put in 0:13:36.302 --> 0:13:41.462 their bodies, on their bodies during pregnancy is so infuriating, 0:13:41.502 --> 0:13:43.902 and that the experience of pregnancy in and of itself 0:13:44.102 --> 0:13:46.622 is an exercise in toughing it out, Like you get 0:13:46.662 --> 0:13:50.062 the flu, like there's virtually nothing you can take, and 0:13:50.102 --> 0:13:53.222 all these experts have come out and said fever can 0:13:53.302 --> 0:13:56.342 be dangerous for babies, and that's why we recommend getting 0:13:56.422 --> 0:13:57.182 the fever down. 0:13:57.262 --> 0:13:58.022 I'm not a doctor. 0:13:58.142 --> 0:14:00.742 Speak to your doctor if that's an experience you're having, 0:14:00.782 --> 0:14:05.182 but that's putting a lot of pregnant women in danger 0:14:05.302 --> 0:14:10.782 to basically say don't take this medicine when your doctor's, 0:14:10.822 --> 0:14:13.302 your obstetricians, your midwives are saying the opposite. 0:14:12.862 --> 0:14:15.702 And the reason why people are going. 0:14:15.542 --> 0:14:19.502 To be really confused by this in particular is because 0:14:19.542 --> 0:14:23.622 we don't know a lot about pregnancy, and one reason 0:14:23.662 --> 0:14:26.622 for that is that you can't conduct to studies on 0:14:26.742 --> 0:14:30.382 pregnant women for obvious reasons, and then you layer on 0:14:30.422 --> 0:14:33.542 the misinformation and it starts to be a really dangerous stew. 0:14:33.902 --> 0:14:36.302 Yeah, because there are drugs, a doctor will often say 0:14:36.302 --> 0:14:38.462 to you, we just don't know, so we're not going 0:14:38.542 --> 0:14:42.622 to let you have that. To suggest that the medical 0:14:42.622 --> 0:14:45.182 institution is an erring on the side of caution at 0:14:45.222 --> 0:14:51.342 all times is just so irresponsible, And it's the endangering 0:14:51.742 --> 0:14:55.582 I think that made me so angry, and also the 0:14:55.662 --> 0:14:59.302 suggestion that there is this selfishness within pregnant women, or 0:14:59.382 --> 0:15:03.782 this haphazard response to putting things in your body that 0:15:04.222 --> 0:15:09.262 is causing long term damage, which is the wrong word anyway, 0:15:09.582 --> 0:15:13.382 when we all know people who live with autism who 0:15:13.382 --> 0:15:16.262 were incredible like as though it's some kind of disease 0:15:16.382 --> 0:15:20.262 rather than a disorder that millions of people around the 0:15:20.262 --> 0:15:23.262 world are diagnosed with and have always had as well. 0:15:23.382 --> 0:15:25.582 One of the things that's saddling my brain about this 0:15:25.822 --> 0:15:28.902 is that I'm old enough to remember Jenny McCarthy going 0:15:28.942 --> 0:15:32.022 on the Oprah Wimfrey show, yep, a couple of decades ago. 0:15:32.102 --> 0:15:35.582 Now probably that interview. Really see it in my mind, 0:15:35.582 --> 0:15:37.502 I must have watched it in real time where she 0:15:37.982 --> 0:15:41.782 told a story about my child. At the time, she'd 0:15:41.822 --> 0:15:44.902 been an actress and MTV presenter, like she was a 0:15:44.942 --> 0:15:47.542 cool girl, and then she became like a real crunchymum 0:15:47.582 --> 0:15:49.822 pin up for a while and she went on the 0:15:49.862 --> 0:15:51.862 opera Woinfroy Show. And I see it in my memory, 0:15:51.902 --> 0:15:54.342 this story I took my kid to get their vaccine 0:15:54.342 --> 0:15:56.702 and then immediately, like the next day, that kid was 0:15:56.702 --> 0:15:59.542 completely different and it changed everything. Now that was seen 0:15:59.582 --> 0:16:04.982 as a moment of enormous irresponsibility on the side of 0:16:05.022 --> 0:16:08.102 the media to be immediately bandying about all this misinformation. 0:16:08.622 --> 0:16:10.982 But in the period of time since, we have learned 0:16:11.022 --> 0:16:14.262 so much, and that message has been discredited so many times, 0:16:14.822 --> 0:16:17.542 and we've seen this always this sort of underground hum 0:16:17.582 --> 0:16:21.742 of skepticism around that, but every credible medical organization has 0:16:21.782 --> 0:16:25.222 pushed back. And it feels like here we are a 0:16:25.262 --> 0:16:27.462 couple of decades later and the President of the United 0:16:27.502 --> 0:16:31.302 States standing up there and apart from his directive, he 0:16:31.782 --> 0:16:35.902 spoke broadly and coherently about the kind of vaccines, babies 0:16:35.942 --> 0:16:38.222 get how there's just too much liquid in those syringes 0:16:38.262 --> 0:16:41.302 for them. He just went on and on about all 0:16:41.342 --> 0:16:46.262 of these really dangerous, disproven things. You know, there are 0:16:46.302 --> 0:16:48.822 people in my life who are very across this kind 0:16:48.822 --> 0:16:50.622 of stuff, and I've already heard about these rumors and 0:16:50.742 --> 0:16:52.862 already seen that it was disproven all these things. But 0:16:52.902 --> 0:16:54.942 most of us are just busy and getting on with things. 0:16:55.142 --> 0:16:57.062 And pregnancy is one of those moments in your life 0:16:57.062 --> 0:16:59.102 where suddenly you have to learn about health and science 0:16:59.102 --> 0:17:01.302 and if you're not a person who knows about that, 0:17:01.342 --> 0:17:05.221 so we just have these little drops of buzzes and 0:17:05.302 --> 0:17:07.822 information and oh, I remember hearing something on Oprah once 0:17:07.862 --> 0:17:10.942 about vaccines. I remember hearing something about blah blah blah. 0:17:10.982 --> 0:17:14.262 And if that's most of us, what's just happened with 0:17:14.341 --> 0:17:19.542 this high profile misinformation dump is so many people will 0:17:19.581 --> 0:17:22.861 just go, oh, well, that's true. There are a lot 0:17:23.182 --> 0:17:26.502 of pregnant women or women who've been pregnant, and I'd 0:17:26.502 --> 0:17:28.701 put myself in this bucket. Who are going, wait, did 0:17:28.782 --> 0:17:31.181 I take paracenamol when I was pregnant or did I not? 0:17:31.502 --> 0:17:35.782 Oh my god? And then thinking about whatever difficulties or 0:17:35.861 --> 0:17:39.262 hurdles their kids might have and thinking it's all on me. 0:17:39.942 --> 0:17:41.941 You already think it's all on you regardless. 0:17:42.101 --> 0:17:45.302 I just I find it befuddling, as you can probably 0:17:45.341 --> 0:17:48.941 tell by my incoherent response. But I just want to 0:17:48.982 --> 0:17:52.662 send love and solidarity, I really do, to autistic people 0:17:52.661 --> 0:17:54.581 who are copying it over this, to the people who 0:17:54.621 --> 0:17:57.141 support them, to the pregnant women who are wondering what 0:17:57.182 --> 0:17:59.821 the hell they're supposed to do now. I just think 0:17:59.861 --> 0:18:03.622 this is an incredibly difficult time, And of course, if 0:18:03.661 --> 0:18:07.141 you are worried and confused, talk to an actual doctor. 0:18:07.141 --> 0:18:10.821 As Jesse said, the health professionals know what they're talking about. 0:18:12.302 --> 0:18:14.982 In a moment, your phone, your life, and. 0:18:14.901 --> 0:18:21.221 A controversial theory about how they're connected. I saw a 0:18:21.222 --> 0:18:24.302 headline this week which made me stop in my tracks. 0:18:24.581 --> 0:18:26.382 Now that happens a lot these days, but this one 0:18:26.422 --> 0:18:28.542 was about my phone. It was on the wire cutter 0:18:28.782 --> 0:18:32.142 and it read stop charging your phone to one hundred percent. 0:18:32.381 --> 0:18:36.662 What fed especially when you first get it. I thought 0:18:36.742 --> 0:18:38.821 that was the point. It was like you have to 0:18:38.861 --> 0:18:40.102 have it to one hundred percent. 0:18:40.542 --> 0:18:44.181 I thought that was like phone hygiene, Yeah, like flossing, 0:18:44.341 --> 0:18:47.142 Like you gotta charge your phone overnight to one hundred percent. No, 0:18:47.661 --> 0:18:51.262 the wire cutter said that over time, charging your phone 0:18:51.302 --> 0:18:53.701 all the way can weaken your battery and cause it 0:18:53.742 --> 0:18:58.701 to lose its charge much faster. Instead, charge it somewhere 0:18:58.742 --> 0:19:01.022 in the range of twenty to eighty percent. 0:19:01.182 --> 0:19:03.782 Twenty percent, you'd be living on the edge. What kind 0:19:03.782 --> 0:19:08.902 of risk taking adrenaline junkie is running around with their 0:19:08.942 --> 0:19:11.101 phone only for charge to twenty. 0:19:10.901 --> 0:19:12.942 The kind who's also running around looking for a charger 0:19:13.022 --> 0:19:13.382 at work. 0:19:13.702 --> 0:19:17.661 So apparently on your phone, if it's a your model, 0:19:17.782 --> 0:19:20.941 you can just like make it do this automatically stop 0:19:20.942 --> 0:19:24.822 at eighty percent. I haven't done this because it feels 0:19:24.861 --> 0:19:27.302 wrong to me and I'm not ready to do it. 0:19:27.422 --> 0:19:29.342 I'm just simply not ready to do it. 0:19:29.661 --> 0:19:33.542 You're not following the sciences points on other things important 0:19:33.621 --> 0:19:38.262 medical information. Yes, the viber off on this anent. 0:19:37.901 --> 0:19:40.782 The vibe off it? Do you get me thinking? 0:19:40.821 --> 0:19:41.022 Though? 0:19:41.061 --> 0:19:43.982 Because there was something about that idea of don't charge 0:19:43.982 --> 0:19:45.421 your phone to one hundred percent? 0:19:45.702 --> 0:19:48.021 I wondered whether we could apply it more broadly, like 0:19:48.141 --> 0:19:51.101 not just to phones. Should we be avoiding one hundred 0:19:51.141 --> 0:19:52.461 percent charge in life? 0:19:52.821 --> 0:19:55.342 I feel as though it's better if my body never 0:19:55.422 --> 0:19:57.662 knows what one hundred percent feels like, so I try 0:19:57.702 --> 0:19:59.502 and keep it in seventy to eighty. 0:19:59.581 --> 0:20:00.661 I've got some examples. 0:20:00.702 --> 0:20:02.701 Think about when you go to bed early and then 0:20:02.742 --> 0:20:04.821 you wake up the next week kind of groggy because 0:20:04.861 --> 0:20:06.381