1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,465 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,505 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:20,865 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. You're really looking towards 4 00:00:21,385 --> 00:00:26,145 Speaker 2: great sunscreen, really good skincare with some active cosmeceutical ingredients. 5 00:00:26,225 --> 00:00:28,745 Speaker 2: You're going to see collusion, stimulation, You're going to see 6 00:00:28,785 --> 00:00:33,305 Speaker 2: protection of what you already have. Makeup is my therapy. 7 00:00:33,505 --> 00:00:39,825 Speaker 1: I'm I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it. Hello, 8 00:00:39,985 --> 00:00:43,025 Speaker 1: and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for your Face. 9 00:00:43,145 --> 00:00:46,825 Speaker 1: I'm Aaron Dockerty and welcome to the formula. Every week 10 00:00:46,865 --> 00:00:48,785 Speaker 1: I sit down with celebs and some of the biggest 11 00:00:48,865 --> 00:00:51,625 Speaker 1: names in beauty and take a look into their skincare 12 00:00:51,785 --> 00:00:55,905 Speaker 1: teenes and today I'm sitting down with Amy Chihal. She's 13 00:00:55,945 --> 00:00:59,665 Speaker 1: one of Australia's most intermined skin experts and cosmetic doctors 14 00:00:59,745 --> 00:01:03,185 Speaker 1: who also happens to be a race car driver who 15 00:01:03,225 --> 00:01:06,425 Speaker 1: is often featured by Porsche, which one hundred percent sounds 16 00:01:06,465 --> 00:01:09,865 Speaker 1: made up, but we promise she's just that cool. Only 17 00:01:09,945 --> 00:01:13,585 Speaker 1: Hailing from Canada, doctor Amy traded cold winters for the 18 00:01:13,705 --> 00:01:16,905 Speaker 1: humid summers in Queensland to become a medical doctor and 19 00:01:17,065 --> 00:01:19,425 Speaker 1: is now considered to be one of the industry's key 20 00:01:19,545 --> 00:01:23,745 Speaker 1: opinion leaders on minimally invasive treatments. She's also the founder 21 00:01:23,785 --> 00:01:26,705 Speaker 1: of a clinic, The Center of Medical Aesthetics, in Sydney, 22 00:01:26,745 --> 00:01:29,705 Speaker 1: Surrey Hills. On the show today, Amy talks to us 23 00:01:29,705 --> 00:01:33,065 Speaker 1: about the top three ways to stimulate your collagen whether 24 00:01:33,105 --> 00:01:37,105 Speaker 1: you're in your twenties, thirties, forties, fifties and beyond, and 25 00:01:37,465 --> 00:01:39,865 Speaker 1: her top cosmetic predictions for next year. 26 00:01:40,345 --> 00:01:42,825 Speaker 2: You are such beautiful skilled. 27 00:01:42,465 --> 00:01:48,105 Speaker 1: But how doctor Amy, Thank you so much for coming 28 00:01:48,185 --> 00:01:50,945 Speaker 1: on the show today. I'm so excited to have you here. 29 00:01:51,465 --> 00:01:53,345 Speaker 1: I've been a longtime fan. 30 00:01:54,025 --> 00:01:57,065 Speaker 2: That actually means I have no idea, such a pleasure 31 00:01:57,105 --> 00:01:57,505 Speaker 2: to be here. 32 00:01:57,585 --> 00:01:59,545 Speaker 1: Well, I'm stoked to have you on. I cannot wait 33 00:01:59,585 --> 00:02:02,705 Speaker 1: to pick your brain about all of the things. Firstly, 34 00:02:02,785 --> 00:02:04,785 Speaker 1: I just want to kick things off by asking you 35 00:02:05,265 --> 00:02:09,665 Speaker 1: classic question about the top cosmetic predictions for twenty twenty five. 36 00:02:10,105 --> 00:02:12,225 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And this is sort of an exercise that 37 00:02:12,265 --> 00:02:15,225 Speaker 2: I think we do every year moving forward, going into 38 00:02:15,265 --> 00:02:18,985 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, I think the trend of sticking with 39 00:02:19,145 --> 00:02:23,265 Speaker 2: natural beauty and enhancing your own skin and your own 40 00:02:23,305 --> 00:02:25,745 Speaker 2: features is something that we're really going to see more 41 00:02:25,785 --> 00:02:28,705 Speaker 2: of in something that's going to continue. So rather than 42 00:02:28,745 --> 00:02:34,345 Speaker 2: trying to cover up imperfections or try to, you know, 43 00:02:34,545 --> 00:02:37,345 Speaker 2: see yourself to a social media beauty standard that might 44 00:02:37,385 --> 00:02:40,625 Speaker 2: not be accessible for everybody, You're going to look at 45 00:02:40,625 --> 00:02:45,345 Speaker 2: your own individual unique needs and skin and hopefully be 46 00:02:45,385 --> 00:02:50,185 Speaker 2: able to complement that with the treatments and the skincare 47 00:02:50,385 --> 00:02:51,465 Speaker 2: that are appropriate for you. 48 00:02:51,785 --> 00:02:54,105 Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting because there's been a lot 49 00:02:54,105 --> 00:02:57,505 Speaker 1: of talk about this. I mean, I've written some articles 50 00:02:57,625 --> 00:03:01,145 Speaker 1: recently about you know, filler being dead and moving away 51 00:03:01,185 --> 00:03:05,385 Speaker 1: from certain treatments and that very like overdone, overfilled. Look, 52 00:03:05,905 --> 00:03:09,185 Speaker 1: So it's actually interesting to see that that's actually maybe 53 00:03:09,225 --> 00:03:11,505 Speaker 1: going to be a trend we're leaning more into. Yeah. 54 00:03:11,505 --> 00:03:14,105 Speaker 2: Look, I think in that similar vein, what we're really 55 00:03:14,145 --> 00:03:17,065 Speaker 2: seeing more of is more of a regenerative medicine approach. 56 00:03:17,225 --> 00:03:20,825 Speaker 2: So how do we protect and preserve what we already 57 00:03:20,865 --> 00:03:25,505 Speaker 2: have and then also stimulate collagen? Right, that's that protein, 58 00:03:25,545 --> 00:03:28,945 Speaker 2: that beautiful protein that keeps our skin intact and looking 59 00:03:28,985 --> 00:03:32,505 Speaker 2: healthy and young. And as we age, we know that 60 00:03:32,545 --> 00:03:35,785 Speaker 2: we're losing it. We're losing it exponentially in our forties. 61 00:03:35,785 --> 00:03:38,745 Speaker 2: It's pretty much falling off of a cliff good. I 62 00:03:38,865 --> 00:03:40,825 Speaker 2: like to think of it as a bank account. Right, 63 00:03:40,865 --> 00:03:44,305 Speaker 2: So you have a supply of coulagen, it's leaving. We 64 00:03:44,305 --> 00:03:45,545 Speaker 2: can't do anything about it. 65 00:03:45,545 --> 00:03:47,545 Speaker 1: It lives, ititting out of here, packing its bag, it 66 00:03:47,585 --> 00:03:48,785 Speaker 1: lives in Sydney. All right. 67 00:03:48,905 --> 00:03:51,625 Speaker 2: There's nothing it can really do about that. But if 68 00:03:51,625 --> 00:03:52,905 Speaker 2: we have more of it, and if we can build 69 00:03:52,945 --> 00:03:54,145 Speaker 2: it up, we're much better off. 70 00:03:54,385 --> 00:03:56,105 Speaker 1: That was going to be my next question. I was 71 00:03:56,145 --> 00:03:58,305 Speaker 1: going to ask you, can you tell me a little 72 00:03:58,345 --> 00:04:02,785 Speaker 1: bit about maybe the three ways that you can stimulate 73 00:04:03,225 --> 00:04:05,385 Speaker 1: collagen and kind of refresh your skin, because there's so 74 00:04:05,505 --> 00:04:06,985 Speaker 1: much on the market, and I know a lot of 75 00:04:07,025 --> 00:04:11,625 Speaker 1: it is fluff. There's collagen supplement, there's different products with 76 00:04:11,985 --> 00:04:14,385 Speaker 1: you know, different marketing slapped on the front saying that 77 00:04:14,465 --> 00:04:18,265 Speaker 1: it'll help with your collagen. What is actually proven, in 78 00:04:18,305 --> 00:04:20,185 Speaker 1: your opinion, to help with collagen production. 79 00:04:20,465 --> 00:04:23,665 Speaker 2: I think it depends on what age could you fall 80 00:04:23,705 --> 00:04:26,985 Speaker 2: into as well. Right, So, if you're in your twenties 81 00:04:27,105 --> 00:04:31,105 Speaker 2: early thirties and starting to see some signs of aging 82 00:04:31,105 --> 00:04:33,505 Speaker 2: and sun damage and you're just looking to protect, which 83 00:04:33,545 --> 00:04:34,905 Speaker 2: is what I think you really should be doing in 84 00:04:34,945 --> 00:04:40,025 Speaker 2: your twenties, you're really looking towards great sunscreen, really good 85 00:04:40,225 --> 00:04:44,865 Speaker 2: skincare with some active cosmeceutical ingredients, so things like vitamin C, 86 00:04:45,185 --> 00:04:49,105 Speaker 2: vitamin A, you know, the mainstays of a good skincare routine. 87 00:04:49,585 --> 00:04:53,025 Speaker 2: Those If they're at the concentration and they're in a 88 00:04:53,025 --> 00:04:56,945 Speaker 2: formulation that delivers into the skin, you're going to see 89 00:04:56,985 --> 00:04:59,625 Speaker 2: collagen stimulation. You're going to see protection of what you 90 00:04:59,745 --> 00:05:02,665 Speaker 2: already have, which is key in that age group. 91 00:05:03,025 --> 00:05:07,105 Speaker 1: What about thirties. Yeah, this is like a literal consultation 92 00:05:07,225 --> 00:05:07,865 Speaker 1: for me right now. 93 00:05:07,945 --> 00:05:12,265 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're like more So this is when I think, 94 00:05:12,305 --> 00:05:16,265 Speaker 2: especially in Australia because sun damage is so rampant here, 95 00:05:16,425 --> 00:05:18,945 Speaker 2: really really is this is when you're going to want 96 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:21,865 Speaker 2: to find a professional that you trust, probably a clinic 97 00:05:21,945 --> 00:05:24,865 Speaker 2: that you trust, and start discussing some in clinic treatments. 98 00:05:25,265 --> 00:05:27,785 Speaker 2: So this is when we start looking at energy based devices, 99 00:05:27,825 --> 00:05:32,745 Speaker 2: things like lasers, radiofrequency micro needling. Micro Needling is something 100 00:05:32,785 --> 00:05:37,225 Speaker 2: that everyone's heard of. I'd say it's probably one of 101 00:05:37,265 --> 00:05:42,545 Speaker 2: my favorite go to treatments for cauldon stimulation in any 102 00:05:42,545 --> 00:05:45,905 Speaker 2: skin type, any age, and in terms of price point, 103 00:05:45,985 --> 00:05:48,425 Speaker 2: it's reasonably accessible. 104 00:05:47,945 --> 00:05:50,945 Speaker 1: Because that's blown up recently. I feel like micro needling 105 00:05:51,025 --> 00:05:53,465 Speaker 1: is everywhere, especially RF micro needling. 106 00:05:54,025 --> 00:05:56,345 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so a level up is up. It is 107 00:05:56,425 --> 00:06:00,105 Speaker 2: it is. R F micro needling is definitely a level up. 108 00:06:00,145 --> 00:06:02,865 Speaker 2: And I'm going to circle back to that. But first 109 00:06:02,865 --> 00:06:05,945 Speaker 2: with the micro kneeling, I just wanted to say it 110 00:06:06,025 --> 00:06:09,065 Speaker 2: is everywhere. Just make sure that you know what device 111 00:06:09,145 --> 00:06:11,665 Speaker 2: is being used, because not all devices are the same, 112 00:06:12,345 --> 00:06:15,105 Speaker 2: and you know the provider, you know what their training 113 00:06:15,185 --> 00:06:18,105 Speaker 2: and education and background is. There's a lot of clinics 114 00:06:18,145 --> 00:06:21,545 Speaker 2: popping up, some of them you know, more qualified than others, and. 115 00:06:21,745 --> 00:06:25,705 Speaker 1: You know, obviously with really quick turnaround as well of patients. 116 00:06:25,705 --> 00:06:27,585 Speaker 1: So you really need to do your research and look 117 00:06:27,625 --> 00:06:30,705 Speaker 1: for someone that yeah, has that individualized. 118 00:06:29,905 --> 00:06:32,465 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you want to sit down, you want to have 119 00:06:32,465 --> 00:06:35,065 Speaker 2: a consultation, You want someone to take a full history 120 00:06:35,105 --> 00:06:38,105 Speaker 2: and really understand where you're coming from. Yeah, there's quick 121 00:06:38,105 --> 00:06:39,065 Speaker 2: turn around clinics. 122 00:06:39,185 --> 00:06:42,825 Speaker 1: By beware and obviously stay away from anything at home. 123 00:06:43,145 --> 00:06:44,745 Speaker 2: Please don't because. 124 00:06:44,545 --> 00:06:45,985 Speaker 1: There's some horror stories out there. 125 00:06:46,065 --> 00:06:48,105 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I've had a few people come into the clinic 126 00:06:48,185 --> 00:06:51,065 Speaker 2: and tell me that they have some sort of microneeling 127 00:06:51,105 --> 00:06:53,185 Speaker 2: device at home and it leaves scratches on their face 128 00:06:53,265 --> 00:06:55,025 Speaker 2: and horrifying guys, and. 129 00:06:54,945 --> 00:06:56,905 Speaker 1: You're just tearing up here and being like. 130 00:06:56,865 --> 00:07:00,665 Speaker 2: Okay, click, that's it's not okay, it's not normal. You're 131 00:07:00,785 --> 00:07:04,865 Speaker 2: risking infection, you're risking scarring. It's not worth it, guys. 132 00:07:05,065 --> 00:07:06,865 Speaker 1: You touch on it just briefly. But what were you 133 00:07:06,905 --> 00:07:08,745 Speaker 1: going to say about RF micro needling? 134 00:07:08,825 --> 00:07:08,985 Speaker 2: Yes? 135 00:07:09,025 --> 00:07:09,945 Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm not like, can. 136 00:07:12,145 --> 00:07:15,585 Speaker 2: I actually love our micro needling, especially in your later 137 00:07:15,665 --> 00:07:18,305 Speaker 2: thirties early forties when you're starting to notice some laxity. 138 00:07:18,945 --> 00:07:22,985 Speaker 2: So what's happening is you have micro needles causing micro injury, 139 00:07:23,065 --> 00:07:25,945 Speaker 2: stimulating fiberbus and collagen, and then at the same time 140 00:07:25,985 --> 00:07:29,225 Speaker 2: there's radio frequency heat coming through as well, and that 141 00:07:29,385 --> 00:07:31,905 Speaker 2: is just that extra layer that's going to tighten and 142 00:07:31,945 --> 00:07:34,945 Speaker 2: contract the fiberceptal network which sits just under our skin. 143 00:07:34,985 --> 00:07:37,425 Speaker 2: So you're getting a bit of an immediate contraction and tightening, 144 00:07:37,785 --> 00:07:40,385 Speaker 2: and then you're getting that long term collagen stimulation as well. 145 00:07:40,905 --> 00:07:44,385 Speaker 2: On that front. Again, not all devices are made equally. 146 00:07:44,465 --> 00:07:45,705 Speaker 2: You know. It's like you can have a car, you 147 00:07:45,745 --> 00:07:48,345 Speaker 2: can have a Hondo, you can have a Ferrari. What's 148 00:07:48,385 --> 00:07:49,985 Speaker 2: the car and who's driving it? 149 00:07:56,905 --> 00:08:00,865 Speaker 1: What if some common cosmetic surgery mistakes that you see 150 00:08:01,385 --> 00:08:02,745 Speaker 1: coming through your clinic doors. 151 00:08:03,025 --> 00:08:06,505 Speaker 2: So I think there was an era and an age 152 00:08:06,505 --> 00:08:08,505 Speaker 2: when a lot of people were trying to jump on 153 00:08:08,625 --> 00:08:13,425 Speaker 2: to getting treated at eighteen, at nineteen, they started filling 154 00:08:13,465 --> 00:08:17,745 Speaker 2: their faces, They started considering trends like fox eye lifts 155 00:08:18,425 --> 00:08:19,745 Speaker 2: and things like that. Do you remember that. 156 00:08:19,865 --> 00:08:21,505 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's still a little bit of it going on 157 00:08:21,625 --> 00:08:23,065 Speaker 1: right now, but it exploded. 158 00:08:23,185 --> 00:08:26,145 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I have people who are now just looking 159 00:08:26,225 --> 00:08:29,145 Speaker 2: to sort of get back to their own natural sells, 160 00:08:29,225 --> 00:08:32,025 Speaker 2: but preserve right and protect for the future as well. 161 00:08:32,425 --> 00:08:36,065 Speaker 2: And so sometimes that's more about pairing back and having 162 00:08:36,105 --> 00:08:38,265 Speaker 2: a really great plan when it comes to skin and 163 00:08:38,305 --> 00:08:39,265 Speaker 2: colligen stimulation. 164 00:08:39,585 --> 00:08:43,345 Speaker 1: Okay, I've got to get on my collagen routine right now. 165 00:08:43,945 --> 00:08:46,505 Speaker 1: Tell me about your skin caroutine. 166 00:08:48,345 --> 00:08:50,145 Speaker 2: I mean, what is your self care routine? 167 00:08:50,265 --> 00:08:51,505 Speaker 1: Give us the dirty detail. 168 00:08:54,625 --> 00:08:54,905 Speaker 3: Yeah. 169 00:08:54,945 --> 00:08:56,385 Speaker 2: I know it might not seem like it if you 170 00:08:56,425 --> 00:08:58,865 Speaker 2: follow me on social media, but I'm a pretty simple cow, 171 00:08:59,225 --> 00:09:02,025 Speaker 2: and for me, it's about a few key hero ingredients. 172 00:09:02,625 --> 00:09:07,105 Speaker 2: So the mainstay of anybody's skincare routine, and the only 173 00:09:07,145 --> 00:09:08,745 Speaker 2: thing I ask anybody to do when they come to 174 00:09:08,785 --> 00:09:11,625 Speaker 2: the clinic is where great SPF every day. It has 175 00:09:11,665 --> 00:09:14,025 Speaker 2: to be a fifty plus in Australia, it has to 176 00:09:14,025 --> 00:09:16,225 Speaker 2: be a dedicated sunscreen. So I don't know if people 177 00:09:16,265 --> 00:09:19,385 Speaker 2: know this, but the TGA in Australia is incredibly strict 178 00:09:19,385 --> 00:09:22,265 Speaker 2: when it comes to allowing something to be labeled as 179 00:09:22,265 --> 00:09:25,305 Speaker 2: a sunscreen. So if you're buying a fifty plus sunscreen 180 00:09:25,385 --> 00:09:27,945 Speaker 2: in Australia, you know that you're well protected. 181 00:09:28,145 --> 00:09:28,425 Speaker 1: Okay. 182 00:09:28,825 --> 00:09:31,825 Speaker 2: I actually still have people ask me if their moisturizer 183 00:09:31,865 --> 00:09:34,345 Speaker 2: with sunscreen is good enough or their makeup with sunscreen, 184 00:09:34,385 --> 00:09:35,985 Speaker 2: foundation with sunscreen is good enough. 185 00:09:36,025 --> 00:09:37,945 Speaker 1: I've got a foundation with thirty plus at it and 186 00:09:37,945 --> 00:09:41,145 Speaker 1: you're like, no, no, no, you're not putting anywhere near 187 00:09:41,505 --> 00:09:43,145 Speaker 1: no the amount that needs to be put on. 188 00:09:43,305 --> 00:09:44,865 Speaker 2: So yeah, the problem there is we don't have that 189 00:09:44,905 --> 00:09:47,745 Speaker 2: concentration that we need, so it's not good enough. Guys. 190 00:09:48,785 --> 00:09:51,465 Speaker 1: So you've got obviously a good SPF in your routine 191 00:09:51,505 --> 00:09:55,025 Speaker 1: that the backbone, yep, yeah, any good skincare retaine. 192 00:09:54,665 --> 00:09:57,105 Speaker 2: And my last step before I put on my makeup 193 00:09:57,505 --> 00:10:00,025 Speaker 2: prior to that, I'm going to cleanse. I'm going to 194 00:10:00,105 --> 00:10:02,425 Speaker 2: use a really great vitamin C serum. 195 00:10:02,705 --> 00:10:04,825 Speaker 1: Just quickly on the cleanse. Are you a cleanser like 196 00:10:04,945 --> 00:10:05,665 Speaker 1: morning and night? 197 00:10:06,065 --> 00:10:08,985 Speaker 2: I'm actually a nighttime cleanser, so you don't cleanse in 198 00:10:09,025 --> 00:10:11,425 Speaker 2: the morning. Actually, Elk cleans in the morning name, so 199 00:10:11,585 --> 00:10:15,745 Speaker 2: I don't really have oily skin, and I wake up 200 00:10:16,025 --> 00:10:18,025 Speaker 2: pretty fresh and I don't think I need that double 201 00:10:18,025 --> 00:10:20,985 Speaker 2: cleans in terms of my skin barrier and skin health. 202 00:10:21,065 --> 00:10:23,545 Speaker 2: I'm doing well with that nightly cleanse, and I think 203 00:10:23,585 --> 00:10:26,425 Speaker 2: if you're going to pick one, that's the more important one. 204 00:10:26,505 --> 00:10:28,745 Speaker 1: So just a splash of water in the morning maybe, 205 00:10:28,945 --> 00:10:30,945 Speaker 1: and then you go in with your Vitamin C. 206 00:10:31,305 --> 00:10:33,105 Speaker 2: Then I go in with my Vitamin C serum. And 207 00:10:33,185 --> 00:10:34,745 Speaker 2: I'm going to give a little shout out to Skin 208 00:10:34,785 --> 00:10:38,545 Speaker 2: Suticles here because hands down, their Vitamin C serums are 209 00:10:38,585 --> 00:10:41,105 Speaker 2: the best. It's a bit of a splurge. The furulic, 210 00:10:41,385 --> 00:10:43,585 Speaker 2: the ce frilic is the one that I use. They 211 00:10:43,585 --> 00:10:45,385 Speaker 2: have the Silly Man and then they have the floor 212 00:10:45,425 --> 00:10:46,545 Speaker 2: it in CF as well. 213 00:10:46,705 --> 00:10:48,545 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got a few different ones, and I feel 214 00:10:48,585 --> 00:10:52,425 Speaker 1: like ce furulics the most popular, most well known one, 215 00:10:52,865 --> 00:10:56,665 Speaker 1: but obviously the other products in the vitamin C ranges 216 00:10:56,705 --> 00:10:57,625 Speaker 1: for different skin types. 217 00:10:57,745 --> 00:11:00,945 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So your ce furulic is your sort of 218 00:11:00,985 --> 00:11:03,425 Speaker 2: gold standard for anti aging if you have a normal 219 00:11:03,465 --> 00:11:05,985 Speaker 2: skin type. It's grape for you Sili Maron is more 220 00:11:06,025 --> 00:11:08,025 Speaker 2: for acne perme skin. Okay, so it has some cel 221 00:11:08,105 --> 00:11:11,585 Speaker 2: silic acid in it is great for pigmentation as well. 222 00:11:11,745 --> 00:11:13,865 Speaker 1: Okay. That's really good to note because I think I 223 00:11:13,905 --> 00:11:15,665 Speaker 1: have all of them and I don't know what one 224 00:11:15,665 --> 00:11:16,785 Speaker 1: I should be using. 225 00:11:16,905 --> 00:11:19,985 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, they have a patented formula. We know it's 226 00:11:19,985 --> 00:11:22,265 Speaker 2: at the correct concentration, we know it's at the correct 227 00:11:22,265 --> 00:11:24,985 Speaker 2: pH and it's definitely a hero product. 228 00:11:25,265 --> 00:11:27,985 Speaker 1: So what else is in your routine as well as 229 00:11:28,025 --> 00:11:28,665 Speaker 1: a good vitamin? 230 00:11:28,745 --> 00:11:32,345 Speaker 2: Say next, I think if you're using strong actives, it's 231 00:11:32,385 --> 00:11:35,305 Speaker 2: really important to hydrate as well and protect that skin barrier. 232 00:11:35,825 --> 00:11:37,745 Speaker 2: And I know this is a bit of a controversial 233 00:11:38,265 --> 00:11:39,385 Speaker 2: ingredient at the moment. 234 00:11:39,545 --> 00:11:41,705 Speaker 1: We love controversy here. Yeah. 235 00:11:41,745 --> 00:11:45,305 Speaker 2: Look, I'm not against a hyaluronic acid product. So I 236 00:11:45,305 --> 00:11:49,585 Speaker 2: do use the ha intensifier from Skinceuticals as well. All 237 00:11:49,625 --> 00:11:52,305 Speaker 2: that does is just provide a little bit of that 238 00:11:52,385 --> 00:11:55,585 Speaker 2: hydration and then there's days when I'm feeling more dry 239 00:11:55,625 --> 00:11:57,785 Speaker 2: than others and I'll use a moisturizer on top of that. 240 00:11:58,065 --> 00:12:00,665 Speaker 2: So the h intensifier, so. 241 00:12:00,705 --> 00:12:02,625 Speaker 1: That's a serum that is that erum, is that the 242 00:12:02,625 --> 00:12:04,985 Speaker 1: purple one it is okay, I've tied that one before 243 00:12:05,025 --> 00:12:07,265 Speaker 1: as well, so you kind of sandwich that over the 244 00:12:07,305 --> 00:12:08,585 Speaker 1: top to make sure. 245 00:12:08,465 --> 00:12:11,105 Speaker 2: Of the vitamin C Y. And then there are days 246 00:12:11,145 --> 00:12:13,105 Speaker 2: I'll use a moisturizer, and there's days that I want 247 00:12:13,505 --> 00:12:13,825 Speaker 2: and do. 248 00:12:13,785 --> 00:12:15,905 Speaker 1: You like a heavier moisturizer or something lighter. 249 00:12:16,025 --> 00:12:18,145 Speaker 2: Yeah, So as we move into my evening routine, that's 250 00:12:18,145 --> 00:12:21,825 Speaker 2: when I'll use my heavier moisturizer, something with fatty acids 251 00:12:21,825 --> 00:12:24,665 Speaker 2: and seramides, something that's really going to protect the skin barrier, 252 00:12:25,065 --> 00:12:28,105 Speaker 2: and I'll use that after my retinal. So you know, 253 00:12:28,145 --> 00:12:29,705 Speaker 2: for somebody who's forty, now. 254 00:12:31,625 --> 00:12:34,545 Speaker 1: Look amazing. Whatever you're doing is working, clearly. 255 00:12:34,425 --> 00:12:36,105 Speaker 2: It's the retinal. It's definitely the retinal. 256 00:12:36,185 --> 00:12:38,545 Speaker 1: So for metals, tell us the retinal. 257 00:12:39,145 --> 00:12:42,065 Speaker 2: So my nighttime routine is, so I do cleanse. 258 00:12:41,825 --> 00:12:44,465 Speaker 1: Do double cleans or anything at night if you're wearing makeup. 259 00:12:44,185 --> 00:12:46,545 Speaker 2: Or yeah, look it's a double cleans. If I'm wearing makeup, look, 260 00:12:46,545 --> 00:12:48,105 Speaker 2: I'll usually you know, have a shower, do you cleans, 261 00:12:48,145 --> 00:12:49,465 Speaker 2: and then I'll come out and do the cleans. With 262 00:12:49,505 --> 00:12:52,545 Speaker 2: my skincare routine as well. A good retinal, so I'm 263 00:12:52,625 --> 00:12:54,265 Speaker 2: using a stronger one. At the moment because I've been 264 00:12:54,385 --> 00:12:56,505 Speaker 2: using it for a few years, so I'm I'm at 265 00:12:56,505 --> 00:12:58,505 Speaker 2: a one. I've moved right up the ladder. So I'd 266 00:12:58,545 --> 00:13:00,785 Speaker 2: say if you're new to retinal and you're just starting out, 267 00:13:01,025 --> 00:13:04,985 Speaker 2: point three is a good percentage. My favorite retinals are 268 00:13:04,985 --> 00:13:08,185 Speaker 2: actually from Zeo by Zinobaji. Is that a brand that 269 00:13:08,265 --> 00:13:08,945 Speaker 2: you know it all? 270 00:13:09,105 --> 00:13:11,745 Speaker 1: No? I haven't heard of that brand? So wait, I 271 00:13:11,825 --> 00:13:13,025 Speaker 1: know A Bargie is that. 272 00:13:13,305 --> 00:13:17,225 Speaker 2: He's a dermatologist from America and he actually had the 273 00:13:17,265 --> 00:13:19,785 Speaker 2: original cosmeceutical brand and it was called a Bajie. 274 00:13:19,985 --> 00:13:21,825 Speaker 1: Yes. I used to use that, Yeah, yeas ago. 275 00:13:22,145 --> 00:13:25,145 Speaker 2: They now have another line and it's rebranded a bit 276 00:13:25,185 --> 00:13:28,625 Speaker 2: and it's boutique and out of Beverly Hills. O. What's 277 00:13:28,665 --> 00:13:31,385 Speaker 2: great about it is you can actually only get it 278 00:13:31,425 --> 00:13:34,265 Speaker 2: after a consultation in clinic. You can't buy it online. Right. 279 00:13:34,625 --> 00:13:35,745 Speaker 1: That's super annoying for. 280 00:13:35,785 --> 00:13:39,185 Speaker 2: Us, It's annoying. But these are you know, these are 281 00:13:39,265 --> 00:13:42,985 Speaker 2: active products that active ingredients. You should really have somebody 282 00:13:43,545 --> 00:13:46,105 Speaker 2: who's specialized in skin carried to tell you what it 283 00:13:46,145 --> 00:13:47,065 Speaker 2: is that your skin needs. 284 00:13:47,305 --> 00:13:50,665 Speaker 1: For someone looking for a really good retinal, whether it's 285 00:13:50,865 --> 00:13:53,825 Speaker 1: a spendy retinol or a savy retinol. What would you 286 00:13:53,865 --> 00:13:56,105 Speaker 1: recommend looking for in a good one? 287 00:13:56,185 --> 00:13:58,985 Speaker 2: The way the retinals actually packaged makes a difference. Okay, 288 00:13:59,065 --> 00:14:02,425 Speaker 2: So if you're walking into the drug store and they're 289 00:14:02,465 --> 00:14:05,665 Speaker 2: saying they're retinal is in a glass bottle and it's 290 00:14:05,705 --> 00:14:08,145 Speaker 2: a clear serum, it's probably not going to do much 291 00:14:08,185 --> 00:14:11,345 Speaker 2: for you. So the sun can actually deactivate vitamin A. 292 00:14:12,025 --> 00:14:12,745 Speaker 2: That makes a difference. 293 00:14:12,785 --> 00:14:12,905 Speaker 1: Guy. 294 00:14:12,985 --> 00:14:14,905 Speaker 2: So I'm just thinking of a specific brand right now 295 00:14:14,945 --> 00:14:18,545 Speaker 2: that I know has some serums with retinyl in it. 296 00:14:18,585 --> 00:14:21,265 Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the ordinary. Actually, yeah, so I wouldn't 297 00:14:21,265 --> 00:14:23,585 Speaker 2: pick the retinal. Some of their stuff's great. I say, 298 00:14:23,585 --> 00:14:27,225 Speaker 2: if you're going to splurge a little bit retinal, yeah, okay, 299 00:14:27,305 --> 00:14:29,745 Speaker 2: your retinal and your vitamin C would be my splurgey items. 300 00:14:29,985 --> 00:14:32,505 Speaker 1: So do you do like a skin cycling? Do you 301 00:14:32,585 --> 00:14:36,145 Speaker 1: do retinol like every second or third night and then 302 00:14:36,545 --> 00:14:38,825 Speaker 1: just use like a hydalonic acid the other night? 303 00:14:38,985 --> 00:14:41,345 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll go every other night and then I'll 304 00:14:41,385 --> 00:14:43,385 Speaker 2: sandwich it. I'm sure you guys have heard of sandwiching 305 00:14:43,385 --> 00:14:47,265 Speaker 2: as well with a thicker moisturizer or a growth factor serum. 306 00:14:47,505 --> 00:14:50,345 Speaker 1: For those who haven't heard of skin sandwiching. It just 307 00:14:50,385 --> 00:14:52,825 Speaker 1: sounds so delightful and yummy. Would you able to tell 308 00:14:52,825 --> 00:14:55,625 Speaker 1: the listeners what that actually is and why we do it? 309 00:14:55,865 --> 00:14:59,185 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, retinal is a product that can cause sensitivity. 310 00:14:59,385 --> 00:15:01,225 Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people have experienced that. They've 311 00:15:01,265 --> 00:15:04,625 Speaker 2: probably quit a bit earlier than they should have because you. 312 00:15:04,585 --> 00:15:06,785 Speaker 1: Never know whether to power through because you're like, is 313 00:15:06,785 --> 00:15:08,905 Speaker 1: this happening for a reason, and then sometimes you just 314 00:15:08,985 --> 00:15:10,585 Speaker 1: really do a number on your skin. 315 00:15:10,825 --> 00:15:13,345 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's true, it's true. So my advice for 316 00:15:13,425 --> 00:15:16,345 Speaker 2: retinol would be one, start loan and slow. You can 317 00:15:16,385 --> 00:15:18,425 Speaker 2: even start one night a week, it doesn't have to 318 00:15:18,465 --> 00:15:20,705 Speaker 2: be any more than that, and just build up that tolerance. 319 00:15:20,705 --> 00:15:24,825 Speaker 2: And then the other tip would be to wait ten 320 00:15:24,865 --> 00:15:29,225 Speaker 2: minutes after application and then sandwich it with something hydrating, 321 00:15:29,425 --> 00:15:32,665 Speaker 2: something that's protecting your skin barrier, like a ceramide or 322 00:15:32,785 --> 00:15:38,505 Speaker 2: fatty acid moisturizer or your HA or B five and 323 00:15:38,545 --> 00:15:40,145 Speaker 2: that's going to protect your skin as well. 324 00:15:40,265 --> 00:15:42,625 Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about treatment. 325 00:15:42,905 --> 00:15:46,825 Speaker 2: Look for me, my skin caroutine is really important. I 326 00:15:46,865 --> 00:15:50,945 Speaker 2: either do a round of micro needling with our skin pen. 327 00:15:51,065 --> 00:15:53,665 Speaker 2: So skin pen, in my opinion, is the best micro 328 00:15:53,705 --> 00:15:56,545 Speaker 2: needling device. So look out for that in clinic. So 329 00:15:56,585 --> 00:15:58,945 Speaker 2: that'll be the thing probably that I do most through 330 00:15:58,985 --> 00:16:01,985 Speaker 2: the year, and then I'll augment that with a little 331 00:16:01,985 --> 00:16:05,465 Speaker 2: bit of radio frequency micro needling because my skin's in 332 00:16:05,505 --> 00:16:07,825 Speaker 2: pretty good condition. I will probably do that about twice 333 00:16:07,825 --> 00:16:11,185 Speaker 2: a year, whereas a regular treatments for somebody who's really 334 00:16:11,185 --> 00:16:14,025 Speaker 2: looking to get in and start their journey with three 335 00:16:14,065 --> 00:16:16,265 Speaker 2: DE frequency American needling, you probably need about three treatments 336 00:16:16,305 --> 00:16:19,225 Speaker 2: a month apart, and then based on that review of 337 00:16:19,225 --> 00:16:21,825 Speaker 2: how your skin's going, maybe one every six to twelve months. 338 00:16:21,905 --> 00:16:24,465 Speaker 1: Yeah, so then you can taper off a little bit. Yeah, Okay, 339 00:16:24,505 --> 00:16:25,825 Speaker 1: that's really interesting. 340 00:16:25,945 --> 00:16:29,505 Speaker 2: And I actually really really love hydrofacials. I don't know 341 00:16:29,545 --> 00:16:30,865 Speaker 2: how you guys feel about those. 342 00:16:30,865 --> 00:16:33,185 Speaker 1: So hydrofacial I've had that a couple of times before. 343 00:16:33,225 --> 00:16:34,985 Speaker 1: But for someone that doesn't know what it is, give 344 00:16:35,065 --> 00:16:35,945 Speaker 1: us a little rundown. 345 00:16:36,265 --> 00:16:39,225 Speaker 2: Yeah sure. So look, it's a three step process. It's 346 00:16:39,265 --> 00:16:43,345 Speaker 2: a really deep cleanse. There's extraction. So do you know 347 00:16:43,385 --> 00:16:44,385 Speaker 2: what the gunky jar is? 348 00:16:44,425 --> 00:16:49,505 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so growth, but it's so satisfied, satisfying face anymore. 349 00:16:49,585 --> 00:16:52,905 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that instant gratification of just knowing that something's happened, right, 350 00:16:53,345 --> 00:16:56,465 Speaker 2: So the hand piece is actually extracting all those impurities, 351 00:16:56,465 --> 00:16:59,945 Speaker 2: that service level dirt that's on your skin, and then 352 00:16:59,985 --> 00:17:03,305 Speaker 2: that final step is infusing antioxidants, maybe a booster or 353 00:17:03,305 --> 00:17:06,385 Speaker 2: something like a brightening booster or a retinal booster. And I 354 00:17:06,505 --> 00:17:10,025 Speaker 2: really love it prior to an event or yeah, because 355 00:17:10,025 --> 00:17:11,025 Speaker 2: it just gives you that glow. 356 00:17:10,945 --> 00:17:12,545 Speaker 1: That made me think I really need to go and 357 00:17:12,545 --> 00:17:14,945 Speaker 1: get one of them, because afterwards your skin is just 358 00:17:15,545 --> 00:17:20,185 Speaker 1: beautiful and glowing and looks really hydrated. Just nothing bait 359 00:17:20,265 --> 00:17:22,865 Speaker 1: seeing that tube of gross shit that just came out. 360 00:17:23,185 --> 00:17:34,945 Speaker 3: Yeah, hit, you've made one of the greatest discoveries. 361 00:17:34,345 --> 00:17:40,065 Speaker 1: Of all time or miss never again never. I want 362 00:17:40,105 --> 00:17:44,065 Speaker 1: to know about skincare technique or ingredient that you love 363 00:17:44,625 --> 00:17:45,665 Speaker 1: and one that you hate. 364 00:17:45,945 --> 00:17:49,385 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I think we've already touched on one of them, 365 00:17:49,705 --> 00:17:54,345 Speaker 2: which is skin cycling. Yeah. I think for people who 366 00:17:54,465 --> 00:17:57,585 Speaker 2: can get a little bit sensitive to some of their actives, 367 00:17:57,865 --> 00:18:01,385 Speaker 2: skin cycling is a great idea. So you know, RETINALD 368 00:18:01,385 --> 00:18:03,705 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be used every night. You probably want 369 00:18:03,745 --> 00:18:06,305 Speaker 2: to throw an exfoliant in there as well, so your 370 00:18:06,345 --> 00:18:09,185 Speaker 2: AHA's BHAs which is not part of my skincure routine 371 00:18:09,265 --> 00:18:11,185 Speaker 2: right now. But I get my regular hydrofacial, so I 372 00:18:11,225 --> 00:18:13,945 Speaker 2: get a really good exfoliation from that. Yeah, you can 373 00:18:13,945 --> 00:18:15,025 Speaker 2: give your skin to break, guys. 374 00:18:15,185 --> 00:18:18,185 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't think Sometimes people are scared of pairing back, 375 00:18:18,225 --> 00:18:20,905 Speaker 1: but often when you pair back, you notice, you know, 376 00:18:20,945 --> 00:18:24,265 Speaker 1: your skin's actually not too bad without you know, applying 377 00:18:24,305 --> 00:18:27,465 Speaker 1: so many different acids and actives and everything. So just 378 00:18:27,505 --> 00:18:28,985 Speaker 1: giving it a break every now and then is a 379 00:18:28,985 --> 00:18:29,345 Speaker 1: good thing. 380 00:18:29,505 --> 00:18:32,425 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree, And just give it a chance 381 00:18:32,505 --> 00:18:34,385 Speaker 2: to sort of settle into itself. 382 00:18:34,505 --> 00:18:35,985 Speaker 1: Right, Tell me about what you hate. 383 00:18:36,105 --> 00:18:38,065 Speaker 2: Do you know what I really really hate? Guys? 384 00:18:38,145 --> 00:18:38,265 Speaker 1: What? 385 00:18:39,025 --> 00:18:41,905 Speaker 2: And I talk about this a lot. Actually, I absolutely 386 00:18:41,945 --> 00:18:45,585 Speaker 2: hate social media trends when it comes to skincare and aesthetics, 387 00:18:45,785 --> 00:18:49,665 Speaker 2: trends for fashion not your face. Okay, but have you 388 00:18:49,705 --> 00:18:51,345 Speaker 2: heard of glass skin, cloud skin? 389 00:18:51,705 --> 00:18:52,025 Speaker 1: Yes? 390 00:18:52,265 --> 00:18:56,465 Speaker 2: Are we setting unrealistic expectations for skin? Because real skin 391 00:18:56,545 --> 00:19:00,945 Speaker 2: has pores, it has lines. It's not achievable to want 392 00:19:01,265 --> 00:19:04,665 Speaker 2: that glowy, glassy skin that looks like a filter. And 393 00:19:04,745 --> 00:19:07,265 Speaker 2: I think again, very similar to sort of you know, 394 00:19:07,305 --> 00:19:10,545 Speaker 2: body image in the nineties. Are we giving people unrealistic expectations? 395 00:19:10,665 --> 00:19:12,385 Speaker 1: And I feel like it's only going to get worse, 396 00:19:12,545 --> 00:19:16,025 Speaker 1: like I sair stat the other day on social media, Like, 397 00:19:16,065 --> 00:19:18,145 Speaker 1: towards the end of next year, AI will make up 398 00:19:18,225 --> 00:19:21,505 Speaker 1: ninety percent of social media, which is terrifying, even thinking 399 00:19:21,505 --> 00:19:23,105 Speaker 1: about skin and trends. 400 00:19:23,625 --> 00:19:26,585 Speaker 2: No, that is terrifying. That is terrifiable. Yeah, So look, 401 00:19:26,625 --> 00:19:29,225 Speaker 2: what you should be doing is working with your own skin, 402 00:19:29,425 --> 00:19:32,945 Speaker 2: right and just hoping to preserve and enhance what you 403 00:19:33,185 --> 00:19:36,505 Speaker 2: have and not looking at those unattainable standards that are 404 00:19:36,505 --> 00:19:37,945 Speaker 2: probably filtered anyway. 405 00:19:37,905 --> 00:19:41,625 Speaker 1: Amy, before we leave, I want to ask you about 406 00:19:41,705 --> 00:19:44,705 Speaker 1: your book. You've written a book. Tell me a little 407 00:19:44,745 --> 00:19:45,265 Speaker 1: bit about it. 408 00:19:45,425 --> 00:19:48,745 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, HarperCollins very kindly reached out to me and 409 00:19:48,825 --> 00:19:51,545 Speaker 2: asked me to write a book about aging and doing 410 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:53,425 Speaker 2: it well and all the things, all the things that 411 00:19:53,425 --> 00:19:57,745 Speaker 2: we've been discussing. And I'm really really excited to say 412 00:19:57,745 --> 00:20:00,545 Speaker 2: that it'll probably be available in May next year. 413 00:20:00,865 --> 00:20:01,865 Speaker 1: And where can we get it. 414 00:20:01,865 --> 00:20:03,465 Speaker 2: It's going to be available for a pre order really 415 00:20:03,465 --> 00:20:07,425 Speaker 2: soon actually, so pre order link will be available on 416 00:20:07,465 --> 00:20:10,625 Speaker 2: my Instagram towards the end of the year. So that's 417 00:20:10,625 --> 00:20:11,985 Speaker 2: super exciting, and then we'll go from there. 418 00:20:12,065 --> 00:20:14,465 Speaker 1: Count Wait, thank you so much. 419 00:20:14,105 --> 00:20:16,545 Speaker 2: My absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me I hope 420 00:20:16,585 --> 00:20:17,665 Speaker 2: you've got something out of it. 421 00:20:17,825 --> 00:20:19,825 Speaker 1: We learn all the things. I'm off to get some 422 00:20:20,185 --> 00:20:22,585 Speaker 1: RF micronage, maybe a hydropation. 423 00:20:22,865 --> 00:20:24,945 Speaker 2: Yeah, a great combo. By the way, guys, you want 424 00:20:24,945 --> 00:20:25,945 Speaker 2: to stack those two together. 425 00:20:26,665 --> 00:20:29,625 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much for listening to the 426 00:20:29,665 --> 00:20:32,625 Speaker 1: show today. And if you want more beauty goodness, sign 427 00:20:32,705 --> 00:20:34,905 Speaker 1: up to our you Beauty Newsletterup. We'll link it in 428 00:20:35,025 --> 00:20:37,665 Speaker 1: the show notes, or you can follow us on Instagram 429 00:20:37,665 --> 00:20:40,905 Speaker 1: at you Beauty Podcast. And if you feel like leaving 430 00:20:40,945 --> 00:20:43,905 Speaker 1: us a five star review, please do that too. We'd 431 00:20:43,945 --> 00:20:46,785 Speaker 1: love it. 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