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Speaker 2: Wrong to tailor your business to your lifestyle? My business

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the cesdya podcast. Busy and happy are not

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Speaker 1: the same thing. We too rarely question what makes the

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Speaker 1: heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but rarely we

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Speaker 1: play and often don't realize there's more than way. So

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Speaker 1: this is the platforms to hear and explore the stories

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Speaker 1: of those who found lives they adore, the good, bad,

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Speaker 1: and ugly. The best and worst day will bear all

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Speaker 1: the facets of seizing your yea. I'm Sarah Davidson or

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Speaker 1: a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneur who swapped

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Speaker 1: the suits and heels to co found matcha Maiden and

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Speaker 1: matcha Milk Bar. Ses The Ya is a series of

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Speaker 1: conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the

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Speaker 1: self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. Hello,

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Speaker 1: lovely yighborhood, and welcome back. Thank you for always bearing

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Speaker 1: with me when I take a little break. Leaving a

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Speaker 1: longer than usual gap between episodes, we had a glorious

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Speaker 1: time off too. It's funny how for the first year

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Speaker 1: I do hope you didn't mind a re release of

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Speaker 1: an old episode to keep you going this past week.

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Speaker 1: So many of you actually had missed the wim half

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Speaker 1: enjoyed his crazy zest for life and had a bit

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Speaker 1: breathing method and cold therapy. He's an absolutely fascinating human being.

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Speaker 1: I still can't believe he came on the show, and

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Speaker 1: so many on Zoom. After voraciously consuming Lucy Glade Riot's

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Speaker 1: her beautiful lounge room. For any fellow homewares and home

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Speaker 1: design lovers out there like myself, Lucy's amazing business Hunting

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Speaker 2: opened up more projects and all that sort of stuff.

437
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so cood.

438
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 2: Well it was cool, but at the time I thought, oh,

439
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 2: this is I have not got this. But I did

440
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: get a call later that day. I got the job,

441
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: and I eventually asked the creative ject.

442
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: I was like, why did you give me that job?

443
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: He's like well, we kept saying the same thing over

444
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: and over again, and then you churned up with this

445
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: fuck unfolded piece of the paper and it goes you're

446
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 2: either you know, genius or an idiot. But I thought

447
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 2: I'd take a bit of a punt. That was literally it.

448
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: He was like, you were just different, and I thought

449
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: I'd give you a go because you were different to

450
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: everyone else that day. So I was like, wow, I love.

451
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

452
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: So for that job, I was actually working on a

453
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: project for Virgin Media, and yeah, that was an amazing

454
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 2: job where and again GFC, I mean there was so

455
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: much money flowing aroun that a little baby designer like me,

456
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 2: we've got a little mill an actual project for a

457
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: big company, and that was amazing. I got to work

458
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: with a copywriter, I got to work with a big

459
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: team and sort of see how the beast sort of worked.

460
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 2: But I really understood then what graphic design and communication

461
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: design was and instead of just like designing things and

462
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 2: making things look pretty, it was about telling stories. And

463
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: so this project was about. It was when Richard Branson

464
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 2: was going into Virgin Media and he was actually going

465
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: you know into television and TV, sorry, TV and radio

466
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: and telecoms. He was actually acquiring two different companies and

467
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: putting them together to create Virgin Media. And so my

468
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: role was to design a I guess, a textbook for

469
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: all the employees. It was like an employee handbook they

470
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: would read on their first day and have them throughout

471
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: their time to basically train them and inspire them to

472
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: be these wonderful Virgin mediamployees. And it sounds like, you

473
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: know that an employee Hambrick should be very boring and

474
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: very you know, you know.

475
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: Just traditional, conventional, but it was just wonderful.

476
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: Inspiring story and it was just, you know, it was

477
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: very It wasn't much text, it was a lot of imagery.

478
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: It was basically empowering these people to just be the

479
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: be their best selves. And I thought, what a wonderful

480
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: a what a wonderful thing for Richard Branson and just

481
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: a Virgin company to do anyway, because they obviously very

482
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: forward thinking in how they drive their business, but be

483
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: how wonderful that this piece of design can actually change

484
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,959
Speaker 2: the way people are thinking and feeling and actually empower people.

485
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: And that was my life bub moment of like, I

486
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: really love telling stories, stories what I love and I

487
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: can actually design stories, And at that point in time,

488
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: I didn't know that that could be something else entirely

489
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: of how I can tell stories, but I just knew

490
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 2: that that was what I loved telling stories.

491
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I get goosebumps when I hear other

492
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: people describe those big light bulb moments for themselves, because

493
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: it's like such a big piece of the puzzle that

494
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: then gives you so much direction towards the next thing.

495
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: And it's you know, so many people haven't had one

496
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: of those about themselves, so hearing and seeing you sparkle

497
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: when you talk about.

498
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: It, and you're like, ah, and you know what, I

499
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 2: must admit, like I can probably articulate it and describe

500
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: it now more clearly when I look back. Probably at

501
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 2: the time I just thought, oh my god, copywriting, Oh

502
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: my god's story. Like at the time, I didn't really

503
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: know how big it was. I just knew that I

504
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: loved it. And I think it's about finding those things

505
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: that you love and even if you can't explain why

506
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 2: at the time, just.

507
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: Roll with it. Just roll with it. And it also

508
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 1: ties into the idea that you know, once you found

509
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: that why, like that driving underlying thing that you love

510
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: doing the how is so flexible around that, and that's

511
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: why you know so many different weird offshoots of that

512
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: have come out over the rest of your career, but

513
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: they all make sense because they're all doing this. And

514
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: I noticed that on your website on the bio now

515
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: you've talked about how Hunting for George's really molded and

516
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: shifted through lots of different phases. But you are a

517
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: storyteller at your call, which is interesting because this dates

518
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: all the way back to then.

519
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like that's literally just what drives me, and

520
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: that is my passion, and it is about creating stories

521
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: and creating something that wasn't necessarily there before, and you've

522
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 2: just created something out of nothing like that continues to

523
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: blow my mind. And I think during my progression with design,

524
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: I did that project and then I worked on I

525
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: did some art directions, so I'd be turning up to

526
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: a photoshoot and I remember art directing my first photo

527
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: shoot and it just blew my mind. I was like,

528
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: I get to instruct the model and the makeup artist

529
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: and the stylist and the photographer, and I literally have

530
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: a vision in my head and I am here now

531
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: creating that, and I'm directing all these wonderful, talented people

532
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: creating something out of nothing. And when I did that

533
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: first photo shoot, I was like, this is what I

534
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: want to do.

535
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is what I want to do.

536
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: And so I guess my progression of where I got

537
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: to with Hunting for George. I did a lot of work.

538
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: I was overseas for three years and then I came

539
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: back to Australia and at that point I was sort

540
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: of mid to senior wage designer, so I was doing

541
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: a lot more. I'd had a lot of experience with branding.

542
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: I came back to work with another brand in Australia

543
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: and I just thought, I just want my own brand

544
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: to tell my own stories. That was just where I

545
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: got to. I was like, I love this, I really

546
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: love what I'm doing, but I'd really love to not

547
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: be telling the stories of Virgin or Votafhone or the BBC.

548
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's fun, but I would really like to

549
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: tell my story and actually shape my own story. And

550
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: that's when I guess I started thinking about Hunting for George.

551
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: And if I'm honest with you, the idea for that

552
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: came when I was just in London and just high

553
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: on life and being like, this is so much fun.

554
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: What if I had my own little thing and it

555
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 2: was just a that was kind of ish, And I

556
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: called my sister and I was like, I want to

557
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: I think I want to start my own brand, like

558
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: I want to do this, and she's like that sounds cool.

559
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: And I went out and she's like, I'll do it

560
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: with you. And I bought a sketchbook and I like

561
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: started scribbling stuff in my sketchbook and that was like

562
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: it that was, that was and I've still got it.

563
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 2: I still got that. I'll show you after Oh my god,

564
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: please show But it's like that was, that was. It

565
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: just became my thing. I was working full time, but

566
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: I was coming home and jotting down ideas in my

567
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: little sketchbook.

568
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 1: I love that too, because I think we I was like,

569
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: did you just put mood music on? This is part

570
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: of my communications experience? Exactly have you tailored this whole thing?

571
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: It really fascinates me too, how you can be really

572
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: really enjoying something and loving what you're doing, but because

573
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: of the nature of life being this evolving series of chapters.

574
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: I love kind of breaking down how you start to

575
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: agitate for change, like when do you know that something

576
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: that hasn't turned bad? Like, you don't have to wait

577
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: for something to turn bad before you can evolve it

578
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: into something else. And I think a lot of the

579
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: time people wait until they're actively either unhappy or really

580
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: uncomfortable before they're like, oh, that's my trigger for a

581
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: new thing, and they might suppress any ideas until it

582
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: does get bad enough to walk away. Yeah, I don't

583
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: think you have to wait for that. No, you don't.

584
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: And I don't know why I went straight into it,

585
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: but I just thought again, it was like, that's a

586
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: really nice, cool idea. I want to do this, I

587
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: want to explore it. So it was just something that

588
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: I went for basically. However, there have been two moments.

589
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: I'd probably got to a second moment, which I can

590
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: touch on later, where I got to that point where

591
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I actually am unhappy, and then I kind

592
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: of looked at it again and changed my life. So

593
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: I've had both. I think when I was younger, I

594
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: was like just excited by everything, and I think I

595
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: just had a bit more. You have less to worry

596
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: about when you're younger, don't you.

597
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean you don't eat.

598
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, kind have a mortgage, you don't like

599
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: there's lots of things you don't have to worry about

600
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: when you're younger. So it's probably a lot easier for

601
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: little baby Lucy to be like, I'm just going to

602
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: start my own brand, because you kind of just can

603
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: when you know you're in your twenties and you're like, whatever,

604
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: let's do it.

605
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, who can?

606
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? So and look at that time, I think I

607
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: just thought I want to start my own brand. What

608
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: does that mean? Oh, it means I need to sell something.

609
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: I love home Wears. Home I've always made my space

610
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: is pretty, let's start a homework stare Like that was

611
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: literally like my train of thought. Oh my go. And

612
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: so that's kind of what led us to home Wears

613
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: because I loved home wears and making space is beautiful and.

614
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: That's so cool. It was reverse engineered as well. I

615
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: often say, and I've taken I've actually taken it back

616
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: a couple of times, but this will be another time

617
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: of taking it back.

618
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: That.

619
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, if you really want a business or you

620
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: want the lifestyle, then don't try and reverse engineer that

621
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: too much. Like you need a good idea and you

622
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: need to find something. So how about more look for

623
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: the gaps in your life where you think that there's

624
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: a frustration or something that other people might be experiencing,

625
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: and that's organically how it will come. But you're not

626
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: the first example of someone who we've had on the

627
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: show who's done it the other way and who has gone,

628
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: I want my own thing, So what should I sell?

629
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: Because I need to sell someone. So I'm just gonna

630
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: find some and it obviously can work, like it doesn't

631
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: have to be the reverse where you're so passionate about

632
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: homework since you were five and you just love furniture.

633
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: No, not at all. And to be honest with you,

634
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: we sold a lot of other things, and I think

635
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: that was the problem in the early days. I think

636
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: we tried to do too much. We wanted to be

637
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: like this one stop shop for everything of like fashion,

638
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: and when we started telling fashion for I was like,

639
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: what are we doing. I'm like, I don't know anything

640
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: about fashion, and we were just like, let's just quickly

641
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: get out of that. You know, you go through. I

642
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: think anyone's starting up, we'll just go through. I think

643
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: the first one to two years is very much test

644
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: and lone figuring out what's going to stick that sort

645
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: of stuff, and it was the home where is it

646
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: very much stuck with us? And because that was really

647
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: what we were quite passionate about as well. And I

648
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: guess the evolution of hunting for George. For anyone that

649
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: sort of followed us from the early days, they probably

650
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: know us for a lot of our art prints like

651
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: the oler paces, You'll Go Prince, and we did a

652
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: lot of bed linen as well, all of that I designed.

653
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: So did you really, Yeah? And so that was another

654
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: weird moment where from the start we're selling other people's

655
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: products and we were using their images to sell their product,

656
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: and we weren't really getting that much traction. I mean,

657
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: it was a very organic word of mouth friends and family,

658
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: and we weren't growing that particularly well until I designed

659
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: a print for my then boyfriend now husband, Johno and

660
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: I gave it to him for his birthday and it

661
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: was the type set the words of other Places You'll

662
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: Go doctor Zoo's novel that would kind of come across

663
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: and we're like, that's they're beautiful, inspiring words and he

664
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: liked it. I liked it, so I created its print

665
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: for him, and he's like, this is really good and

666
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, thanks, I know.

667
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: Exactly.

668
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: But he was like, you should sell this, like you

669
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: should sell this on Hunting for George. And I was like, no, no,

670
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: I'm not a product product designers. It's not what I do.

671
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: I don't design products. And he's like, well why, well yeah,

672
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: And it was just a weird thing in my head

673
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: that I thought, oh no, that's not what I don't

674
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: know why I couldn't justify. I just thought that's not

675
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: what I had any right to do. I wasn't an

676
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: artist or like I just it was something holding me back.

677
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: I think it's just excuses really and.

678
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: Get to those two yeah exactly.

679
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: But we we eventually went okay, well, no, we'll give

680
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: it a go. It took me a while to come

681
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: around to it, and at the time I called it

682
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: my friend who was a stylist. I'm like, you're the

683
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: only one I know with a beautiful grown up house

684
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: can comment like style of a shoot, you know, in

685
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: your home, And so she helped me style it and

686
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: we did this beautiful little vignette and we put it

687
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: online and it soon became our best selling product because

688
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: it was unique it was a unique product. It was

689
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: a unique style. We were creating an image from scratch,

690
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: which again I knew how to do, but for some reason, you.

691
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Know, you couldn't translate it.

692
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't translate it yet. But then I was like,

693
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: oh okay. So then after that I designed more and

694
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: then they became best sellers, and then it was just like, well,

695
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: can I design bedlinen. Let's give it a go. It did, Yeah,

696
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: and it did, and then that became a best and

697
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: it just that's kind of what really snowballed the growth

698
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: of hunting for George, because then that experience I had

699
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: with art direction and storytelling with my communication design then

700
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: was feeding into the stories that I was telling art

701
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: directing of these photoshoots that I was doing for these

702
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: products that designed, and it was just like, instead of

703
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: these little vignettes, every year, it got bigger and bigger,

704
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: and we would just take over entire houses and I'd

705
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: just be styling up houses and I'm like, what am

706
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: I doing. I'm like, this is so much fun. I

707
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: don't know, but it was this my job.

708
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: I know.

709
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: It just got bigger and bigger over time, and that's

710
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: kind of how hunting for George became this kind of

711
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: big online retail store, and that was a good I

712
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: guess nine years we were After nine years of business,

713
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: we got quite big and we were quite celebrated and

714
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: very celebrated.

715
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: This is such a down place, very celebrated, gigantic community.

716
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: It was huge following.

717
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: It was big, and I think from the outside looking in,

718
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: it was this really incredibly successful independent online retailer that

719
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: was supporting a lot of people, but it wasn't really

720
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: supporting me. And it kind of then got to that

721
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: point where I just thought, this is no longer like

722
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: serving me like I got really I just sort of

723
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: looked at my life. I was like, this is not

724
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: like I'm not being creative anymore. Like I tell these

725
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: wonderful stories about how I grew with the business and

726
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: it being creative. But I think when it became bigger

727
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: than I think my sister and I ever really anticipated

728
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: from the very humble beginnings that we started, it was

729
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: like what do you do if you've created something bigger

730
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: than you anticipated? Like what do you do if you

731
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: don't want.

732
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: To do that thing you started and it's got a

733
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: life of its own and you're like.

734
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that was my real problem that I

735
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: kind of had to solve, and that was, you know,

736
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: a really tough time where I guess you were talking before.

737
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: It's like, well, what do you do if something's making

738
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: you unhappy? And then you make a change. I was

739
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: really happy going into hunting Viduals and I loved growing it,

740
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 2: but it kind of became bigger than I ever wanted.

741
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: And I loved the brand and I loved creating stories

742
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: and I loved my community, but I just looked at

743
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: the retail side of it, I'm like, I just don't

744
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: really like that. I don't like the selling because I'm

745
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: now having to be like I was just growing to

746
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: be big. Yes, yeah, you just keep you don't really

747
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: like you get to that point you're like, I guess

748
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: we just make more sales, and then you're like, I

749
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: guess we get more stuff, And I just got bigger

750
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: and bigger, and then I just thought, why am I

751
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: doing this anymore? I didn't know. I didn't feel the

752
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: passion anymore. It was just getting bigger for the sake

753
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: of getting bigger.

754
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. That is something I talk about all

755
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: the time and think about all the time because the

756
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: same thing happened to us with matcha Maiden, where I mean,

757
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: you guys started hunting for George with three brands and

758
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: obviously never expecting it to become this self designed huge empire.

759
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: And there is a big conception and probably a little

760
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: bit of ego as well, around the idea that big,

761
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: of course is better, like, of course you want to

762
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: get bigger. Of course you're on this growth trajectory. But

763
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: I think what we forget and I wrote about this

764
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: in the CZA book, is that that's the macro view.

765
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: Of course, you want this external from the outside, you

766
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: want it to look like this constant growth and every

767
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: year is bigger and like quantitatively bigger than the year before.

768
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: But then you actually think about the macro of what

769
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: does that mean for your life day to day? And

770
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: most of the time the things that sound good in

771
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: a macro level are actually pretty shit day to day

772
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: because you're not doing the job that you created this

773
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: business to do. Like we ended up in factories wearing

774
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: high ve's vests like sorting boxes, which is great, like

775
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: the ultimate end goal of having a business that you love.

776
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: The getting bigger is great, But sometimes when you step

777
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: back from the ego of wanting it to be bigger

778
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: every year. You're like, actually, I'm happy in the smaller

779
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: because that serves why I started this, and I'm not

780
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: the person. I never set out to be a corporate

781
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: online retailer. You know, you become so big you needed

782
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: to be corporate exactly.

783
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: And I think we were way too big to be

784
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: small and then way too small to be big and

785
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: we're just profitable. No, it's not. And it's just you

786
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: get to that point where you're like, what do I do?

787
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: And I think ego is You're right, It just comes

788
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: down to ego because you're like, well, I guess I

789
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: just need to be doing this because I was watching

790
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: everyone around me going I think this is where I'm

791
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: meant to be going. And it was that big boom

792
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: of like and maybe there still is, but everyone wanted

793
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: to be an entrepreneur and everyone wanted to have this

794
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: successful startup, and it was like, I want to be

795
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: the success story. And I'm like, oh, I just I

796
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: got to that point where I'm like, I just want

797
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: to be happy and not exhausted and poor. Yeah, I'm like,

798
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: and I think you do get to that point where

799
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: you just put so much into the business, and especially

800
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: when you have staff and you do you are responsible

801
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: for other people. And I gave a lot of my

802
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: time and I really and I was very passionate about,

803
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, training my staff, especially the designers that I

804
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: had on books. I wanted to give that value that

805
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: I had had as a young designer to others. So

806
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: I loved that. But I just thought, oh, can I

807
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: be a bit sheelfish now, because I feel like, after

808
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: nine years, I'm not really getting what I need from

809
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: this business anymore. So we basically got to a really

810
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: difficult time Joe and I, obviously my sister and I

811
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: started it. Joe didn't really want to continue with the

812
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: retail site, and I didn't really want to continue, but

813
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: I just couldn't let go of the brand. So we

814
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: had a bit of a difficult decision of what to do.

815
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: And we did, like we did actually look at, you know,

816
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: bringing on partners and investors, and we got pretty close

817
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: to doing a pretty big partnership. And to be honest,

818
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: my life would be very different now if that had

819
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: actually happened. It fell through just sort of at the

820
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: final hour, and at the time I was devastated, but

821
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: I look back now I'm like, wow, Okay, that actually

822
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: would have shifted my life completely.

823
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: All happens.

824
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: All happens for a reason. And then when that sort

825
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: of fell through, I looked at other investors and I

826
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: had all these meetings and it was very corporate. I

827
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: was living a very weird corporate life having all these

828
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: meetings and talking. You know, I wasn't just talking about

829
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: you know, the future of the business, and gross I

830
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: hated it. I was like, oh my god, I just

831
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: did not feel like myself. And I think when you're

832
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: in that business where you're selling your business to someone,

833
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: you realize quite quickly, or at least I realized quite

834
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: quickly that I mean, they were interested, but I was

835
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is not going to work.

836
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to sign my life away to

837
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: someone for the next you know, three to five years

838
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: committing to you know, delivering and you return on investment,

839
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, for a huge amount. That's just going to

840
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: add even more stress to my life. So, you know,

841
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: we we looked at that avenue. It wasn't really there

842
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: wasn't something that happened that I was like, this is

843
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: this is going to work. And when I couldn't make

844
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: that work. I thought, I just can't get rid of it.

845
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 2: I can't get rid of this brand. And I didn't

846
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: even know what it was, but I was like, I've

847
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: worked too hard for Hunting for George. I love this brand.

848
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: I've built so so much. And that was when I, yeah,

849
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: said to Joe, I was like, I want to take

850
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: this over now. I want to kind of have it

851
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: to myself and I want to grow it into something.

852
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going to grow it into,

853
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: but I just want to keep telling stories. And yeah,

854
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: So that was two years ago. Now was when I

855
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: basically we closed the retail store. I took it over

856
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: and I have basically we've been working flat out ever

857
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: since to turn it into a creative media company. So

858
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: we instead of selling you know, products, now we just

859
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: tell incredible stories to our community, and we work with

860
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 2: some amazing brand partners, and we're just a really fun

861
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: online publication that talks about everything I love, which is design,

862
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: home and lifestyle. Oh good, right there, it's pretty exciting. Yeah,

863
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I'm very yeah, I'm very I'm very happy

864
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: of where I am.

865
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,440
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866
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867
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00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: that you really do define what you think success is.

888
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: And when we let other people's definitions of success creep in,

889
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: that's when the misalignment between what you actually want and

890
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: then what you end up doing in pursuit of that

891
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: success can make you really unhappy. But if success to

892
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: you is not growing it bigger in one direction. But

893
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, to others, they might think closing a retail store,

894
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: you might be scared that it would look like a

895
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: failure or it would look like a backward store.

896
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, oh, I've got like good Lucy and

897
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: evil Lucy, and evil Lucy is horrible, and I describe

898
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: her as like she's got like a three finger whiskey

899
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: and she's really selly, just it's like selling. Yeah, she's

900
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: like her you know, you know, horrible things at me.

901
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: And she was just telling me how much of a

902
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: failure everyone was going to think. I was like, it

903
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: was just a really difficult thing to announce, and I

904
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: actually thought I was having severe anxiety and panic attacks

905
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: before announcing what was going to happen to the business,

906
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: and I sent three letters, one to our customers, one

907
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: to our suppliers, and then one to the media, the

908
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: industry media, just to sort of say what we were doing.

909
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: And I was mortified. I was just like, what is

910
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 2: going to happen. Everyone's going to laugh at me, Everyone's

911
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: going to think I'm just this massive failure. And then

912
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: I sent these letters and I was like, oh, well,

913
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 2: that wasn't that bad. In fact, the customers were like, oh,

914
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: that's a shame that we can't get this and that,

915
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: But does this mean that we get to see more

916
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: home tools? Like they were really excited, and the suppliers

917
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: were fine, and even the media were fine. They were

918
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: like cool, Like we don't you know, what does that mean?

919
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: You're going to be cool? And that was just it.

920
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, backwood step and it.

921
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: Was almost I pivoted before the whole world needed to pivot.

922
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: So I kind of heard you.

923
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: I got a head start on everyone.

924
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

925
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: So funny because now you probably look back, like, of course,

926
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: with the benefit of hindsight, fear doesn't really play a

927
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: role anymore. But now you look back, it's like, that

928
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: was so much more successful of me to choose a

929
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: life that makes me really happy now than to be

930
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: pulled along by momentum and be unhappy every day, Like

931
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: how could that possibly be?

932
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely exactly. And I think a point that I even

933
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: got to with hunting for George, when I knew it

934
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: wasn't serving me anymore, was we actually did a retail

935
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: pop up. We did it in High Point shopping Center,

936
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: and so we did a massive sort of summer of

937
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: selling and it was just I got total burnout. Like

938
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: I just got to the point where you know what

939
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: it's like when you're in a physical space and then

940
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 2: you physically have to be there and you have staff,

941
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: but if staff can't be there, then you're just responsible

942
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: for that, and it just piled on and then you

943
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: have all these you know, sales forecasts that you have

944
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: to meet.

945
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: It's just so exhausting.

946
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: And I remember, yeah, the end of I had one

947
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: day off over Christmas and I was like John, I's like,

948
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: what do you want to do. I'm like, I don't

949
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: want to do anything. I had no energy. And that

950
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: was and I got to that point of total burnout

951
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: that I looked at that one day off and I

952
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: couldn't actually do anything that I even enjoyed doing. And

953
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to do this anymore. I

954
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: don't want my life to be like this anymore. I

955
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 2: want to be in charge of it. And I actually

956
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: I remember prioritize. I remember looking at my priorities. I

957
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: was like, my business is my number one. My family

958
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 2: friend's partner at number two, but if I'm honest, they're

959
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: not even close.

960
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: So number one, like they're so far away.

961
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: And then after that, I'm three, I'm priority number three.

962
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: I was like, what if I just switched three in

963
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: one and I put myself first, family friends, partner second,

964
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: and the business third. And I made that conscious decision

965
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: in my life there and then it was like New

966
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: Year's Day twenty eighteen, and I made that decision to

967
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: do that shift, and I think that was what started

968
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: everything for me, because as soon as I became stronger

969
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: in my mind and my body, I made better decisions

970
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: for myself and it just had a ripple effect throughout

971
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: my entire life. And it was the best thing.

972
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: I ever did, and it does. It's funny that, like

973
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: earlier in the conversation, you use the word selfish for

974
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: finally actually just doing what you want to do, And

975
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: it's interesting that we use that word often to describe simple,

976
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: basic human care for yourself.

977
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: Isn't that true? And I shouldn't say it's selfish because

978
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: it's not selfish at all.

979
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: It's like I say that too much.

980
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: Actually, whenever you look after yourself, you see it as

981
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: being wrong or selfish. But it's like everybody else benefits

982
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: if you look after yourself first. Absolutely everything else kind

983
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: of shifts and changes.

984
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually changed my internal language about it to

985
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: be like, if I get run down or burnt out,

986
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm being irresponsible because I'm trying to sell this message

987
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: of live your best life, enjoy your life, be well,

988
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: like drink matcha. And then in the process of that,

989
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: I've burnt myself out so much that I can barely

990
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: string a sentence together and I can't look after my family.

991
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: That's actually irresponsible and inauthentic.

992
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: Exactly. I think that's so true, and I think I

993
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: think more than ever now people are kind of coming

994
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: across to you know, self cares actually trend.

995
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad that is a good trend.

996
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

997
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: So, while we're sort of talking about what it's what

998
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: you've pivoted into and becoming a full media company and

999
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: tell us all about the house tools and exciting, and

1000
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: then how you've ended up with a show that you're

1001
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: doing with fundings. It's so amazing. But we've also kind of,

1002
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, molded the NATA section into this conversation as

1003
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: we go, And I'd love to hear how that you

1004
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: know Evil Lucy and their self doubt and imposter syndrome,

1005
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: particularly when you go back to being a beginner in

1006
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: any area, even if it's under the same brand, but

1007
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: putting yourself out is doing something different. And then how

1008
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: you've learned to cope with it and what strategies have

1009
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: helped you be more certain that no, this is what

1010
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: we are doing. We are really good at it, and

1011
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: we do have a community and not needing to downplay

1012
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: it or put it to luck or yeah, you know,

1013
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: I think we do let it creep far too much

1014
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: into our psyche.

1015
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: I think, yes, I think I've actually learned to deal

1016
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: with Evil Lucy.

1017
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: She's so mean and she's so mean.

1018
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I've suffered from anxiety quite

1019
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: a bit, and I had I started to have panic

1020
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: attacks when I was younger, and I didn't quite understand

1021
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: what that was. It wasn't People didn't talk about mental

1022
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: health really, it wasn't really a buzzword or adding anxiety.

1023
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: People didn't really know what that was. So I remember

1024
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: having panic attacks and things in before hunting for George

1025
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: and not understanding what it was. And that comes from

1026
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: that self doubt and that person, you know, that constant

1027
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: dialogue with yourself and not understanding what's going on there.

1028
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: So I've definitely sort of navigated that through therapy and

1029
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: talking to others, and then I think when you do

1030
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: chat to someone and a professional, you get to understand

1031
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: the way that your brain works and that it's normal

1032
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: to feel certain ways. And so I think professional experience

1033
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: and advice has kind of helped me understand that in

1034
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: a dialogue and then I guess through that I kind

1035
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 2: of still deal with it, but I've got better at

1036
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 2: clearing the brain and being like, no, like, what is it?

1037
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: What am I like? What are the doubts? What is fear?

1038
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: And what is me? And I think, to be honest

1039
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: half the time, like it's having people around me that

1040
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: are stronger than me, like JOHNO is the constant one

1041
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: to say just stop doubting, is just do it? Stop

1042
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: being silly? You know, and sometimes you need people like that.

1043
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: You just need to talk to people. I think honestly

1044
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: it's about talking to other people and getting out of

1045
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: your own head is often what has helped me at

1046
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: least to kind of navigate what's the right decision what's.

1047
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: Not that's such good advice. I think we firstly kind

1048
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: of have a bit of a negative attitude towards phoning

1049
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: a friend because it's like, oh no, well, I can't

1050
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: do it myself and I don't want to lean on

1051
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: people or be a burden. And particularly in the case

1052
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: of professional help, I also see a psychologists once a week,

1053
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: and like, my half my life savings has gone towards that.

1054
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: But it's how my brain is, absolutely But it's also

1055
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: interesting that, you know, we do turn to the people

1056
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: around us. And if you are surrounded by people who

1057
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: are risk averse or who are skeptical of your abilities,

1058
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: or not necessarily because they're not good friends, but just

1059
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: because they have they come from a different place, a

1060
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: different risk appetite, or a different world altogether, and they

1061
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: can't conceive of the ideas that you have. If you

1062
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: get that echoed back towards you, it's not going to

1063
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: it's going to affirm the doubts well as if you

1064
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: go to someone who really on board with it, you'll

1065
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: always bounce back to the right place.

1066
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: You've got to surround yourself with the right people or

1067
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: at least know the people that you should go to

1068
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: for the advice. And even now, like I mean, I've

1069
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: got many different friends that do many different things, and

1070
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: not all of them are within the creative sphere, but

1071
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: they can all appreciate and understand and they'll all be

1072
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: quite supportive. And then again I had others that weren't.

1073
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: And when you have ones that aren't serving you as

1074
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: like anything, I think as you get older, you sort

1075
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: of you sort of filter out you know, people around

1076
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: you and really surround yourself with good people that are

1077
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: going to support you. And I think what I found

1078
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 2: and what I love with business and what I love

1079
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: with just Australia as well, I think everyone is really

1080
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: supportive and I like when people can offer success and

1081
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: encouragement because I think there's not a certain amount of

1082
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: success that's going around. I mean, it's just I think

1083
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: the more that we can all support one another, the

1084
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: more that we can all grow. And I think for

1085
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: the most part, it's like finding people around you that

1086
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: agree without sentiment, and it's just going to help you

1087
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: kind of prepere forward.

1088
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: Really, do you have any advice for other creatives who

1089
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: do kind of feel the the concern maybe from others

1090
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: or family members about the creative industry being so volatile

1091
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: or being something that doesn't offer as much stability, because

1092
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: you have obviously had times where you had no idea

1093
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: where your next chapter was going to be. But I

1094
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: know that there is evil, Lucy, but I also love

1095
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: how you've been able to just go Actually, I'm just

1096
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: going to try these house tours. I'm just going to

1097
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: try pivoting into a full media outlet. And it often

1098
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: works better than you ever think it could.

1099
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. And look, look the creative industry, it

1100
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: is hard. Like I'm not gonna lie. I think communication

1101
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: design is great. It gives you a really wide base.

1102
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: I think people that I studied with have gone on

1103
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: to do visual merchandising and advertising, and there's so many

1104
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: different scope. Sometimes you can have nothing to do and

1105
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: then you're like, what do I do? Like, especially if

1106
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: you're freelancing, you can have those moments where you're like,

1107
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have a job, And that used

1108
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 2: to as a young designer, that used to terrify me.

1109
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: But then as I became a bit more experienced in it,

1110
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: I realized that those moments are quiet. I relish them

1111
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: because I'm like, you just have to trust and I

1112
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: can't even articulate really anything more than that, you just

1113
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: have to trust that you're doing the right thing and

1114
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: that when you do work, you do your best work,

1115
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: so that then someone's going to see that down the

1116
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: track and it's going to lead to something else. So

1117
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: when you have time off, relish it, enjoy it because

1118
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: you're probably going to be really you know, have something

1119
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: else next week and you're going to be totally working,

1120
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: like late nights or whatever. Like there's no rule, it's

1121
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: not nine to five. You've got to be open. I

1122
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: think you have to be creative in a creative role

1123
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: because there really is no kind of rhyme or reason

1124
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: as to how your work life is going to shape out.

1125
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: It can be whatever comes your way, and you can't

1126
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: have to be open to that.

1127
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: And so what is it now? Explain to us the

1128
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: current iteration of hunting for George and also what the

1129
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: name means?

1130
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: Oh yes, well, look the name. Oh god, I really

1131
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: wish there maybe named it something different because I get

1132
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: asked this question.

1133
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: A lot, but like, who's George? Yeah, I know, who

1134
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: is George?

1135
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: To be honest, I wanted something that was its own identity,

1136
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: that didn't sound or suggest anything else. I wanted something

1137
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 2: that was so intriguing that people would want to find

1138
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: out more for themselves and memorations, and so that was

1139
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 2: kind of where it came from. We did love the

1140
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: idea of hunting for something and searching for something and

1141
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: then George. Do you know what. We've had a lot

1142
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: of George's in our life, John and I when we

1143
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: first started this business, and at the time, George Georgia,

1144
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: her daughter, my niece, and it just came out hunting

1145
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 2: for George, and it just stuck. You go, but hunting

1146
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: for George now, so I guess the progression. So we

1147
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: started creating video. We actually started creating video in twenty

1148
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: ten when we first started, but we were doing it

1149
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: on the side to support the retail and then it

1150
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: was something that we've always really loved and dabbled with,

1151
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: but we never had time to do it because we

1152
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: were retailing.

1153
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: So that was something that you know.

1154
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: So now Hunting for George is very much led by

1155
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: myself and John O. We also have a team that

1156
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: worked with us to create content. But John O basically

1157
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,959
Speaker 2: taught himself how to use the camera and he threw

1158
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: me in front of the camera and he was like,

1159
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: let's do a home tour. It was something that we'd

1160
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: always really wanted to do. We'd been talking about it

1161
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: for ages, but we always made excuses because we had

1162
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 2: stuff to do and it wasn't what we're meant to

1163
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 2: be doing. We're meant to be selling product. But eventually

1164
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: we're like, let's just do this home to our idea

1165
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 2: that we've got, and so we just started doing it

1166
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: and it kind of went nuts. And then when we

1167
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: did that, it was like the product thing again. It

1168
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: was like, why don't we just do more of them?

1169
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: And so that's literally how it's grown. So Hunting for

1170
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 2: George we do create daily content. We always have daily

1171
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: articles online. We do a lot of house features, we

1172
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: do a lot of interior features. But a big chunk

1173
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: of it is creating content for YouTube and that is

1174
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: literally a test and learned that JOHNO and I have

1175
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: just been experimenting with and throughout our time of what

1176
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: coming up to two years, we've developed our own unique series.

1177
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: So we have the let us in home tours, where

1178
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: I literally like break and enter into people's owns and

1179
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: like sometimes I rate their pantry and some like literally

1180
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 2: go into people's cupboards and do all the things that

1181
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 2: you kind of really want to do in a home tour,

1182
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: but so many people don't do them. And it's all

1183
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: very high end and like fun, and I'm like, look,

1184
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: I could do that. I'm a designer. I can throw

1185
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: out all those big words too, but that, to me

1186
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 2: is quite boring. So I'm like, why don't I just

1187
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: go in and do all the things that you really

1188
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: want to do to other people's homes. I'm just gonna

1189
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: show people that.

1190
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: Leave your shoes on, but young people like can you

1191
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: take your shoes? And I'm like, no, I cannot.

1192
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1193
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: And don't get white, I get oh my god.

1194
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: I've had some weird comments on YouTube of like, oh

1195
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: my god, I can't believe you're touching the walls. I'm like,

1196
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to too. They're like, oh, you wore

1197
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: your shoes in the bathub I'm like, you're right, I

1198
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: did wear my shoes in the bathub. It's my bad,

1199
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 2: but like, but that's just kind of what I do.

1200
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: I kind of cruise around and yeah, so that is

1201
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: probably one of our most popular pieces of content that

1202
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: we create.

1203
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: I love it. I love your house tours. There's so

1204
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: much fun and we all love like getting a little

1205
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: sneak peek into other people's lives.

1206
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: That's fascinating and I think it's just something fun and

1207
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: unique and very us and it's very hunting for George.

1208
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: So and then we also do a lot of renovations.

1209
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: So the way that that started again, we were needing

1210
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: to renovate this home and we started by just a

1211
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: few We're only going to do a few rooms of

1212
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: the house. And then we worked really hard over the

1213
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: Christmas holidays and then we were going to travel in March,

1214
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: and then COVID happened, so we basically ended up renovating

1215
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: our entire house. Sarah.

1216
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: During COVID, we got to watch like a reno show

1217
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: renovating your house.

1218
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was the hardest, I must admit,

1219
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: because I mean COVID was hard and we're in Melbourne,

1220
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: so that like.

1221
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: It was the hardest. Yeah, like did you get a

1222
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: trade fast to go to Bunnings, like that was.

1223
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: We did have it. We were trade customers for bunning

1224
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: so we're able to go there. That's right, because they

1225
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: stopped Bunnings. Oh gosh, that's right. Gosh, that was the

1226
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: dark time.

1227
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: They got one too, And it was like we were

1228
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: among our friends were.

1229
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: Like, can you take us to Bunnings today?

1230
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: Like it was like a big deal. It's like you

1231
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: could get out of your house more than five k.

1232
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: Really was, and like that, look, that was fantastic because

1233
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: and I kept telling myself, this is really good, Lucy,

1234
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: you're lucky. You're lucky the most you can keep working.

1235
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: This is fine. But at the same time, it was

1236
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: a very tough, stressful time creating content and then renovating

1237
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: and like living in a half renovated house and you

1238
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: can't leave, yeah, that you can't leave. It was quite stressful.

1239
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, we have our renovation series which is now

1240
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: going to keep growing. We haven't actually finished this house yet,

1241
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: but we are doing new house projects. We're taking on

1242
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: one this year. We're going to be turning that into

1243
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 2: a big series. And yeah, we've got our third one

1244
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: probably on the way as well.

1245
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: So oh my god, how excited?

1246
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then literally and again it's like we didn't

1247
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: start out when we changed the business to be like

1248
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: we're going to start renovating. That wasn't even on our radar.

1249
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: It was just part of us doing some experimenting, doing

1250
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: things that make us, you know, happy, and seeing if

1251
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: they worked. And that one just happened to nail it,

1252
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: and I.

1253
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: Was like, I love it. I want more of it.

1254
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: So that's now kind of you know, what we're focusing

1255
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: on as well. And then we also have our third

1256
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: series that we do video content is on the Roads,

1257
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: which is a lot of traveling. It's a lot of

1258
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: just interviews with amazing people and inspiring people and spaces

1259
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: and just kind of a very It's a travel vlog

1260
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: for anyone that likes design.

1261
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: I would I would say like, what are all the

1262
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: things I love? I need an excuse to do, and

1263
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: how can I get in people's homes? And then reverse engineering,

1264
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: that's like why is it?

1265
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: Why is it wrong to tailor your business to your lifestyle?

1266
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: I was like, my business was not serving me at

1267
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: all for nine years and now I'm like, why can't

1268
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: I just flip it on its head and have the

1269
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 2: business work for me, that's the best way to do it.

1270
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: It's like, why would you do it any other way?

1271
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: I know, I was like, what have I been doing

1272
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: with my life for so long?

1273
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, But you're also such a great reminder that you

1274
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: don't necessarily start out knowing where it's going to go either.

1275
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: I have no idea where it was going to go,

1276
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: you know. And it has just even that alone, having

1277
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: JOHNO thrown me in front of the camera and kind

1278
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: of being like, dunce monkey dad, I don't know how

1279
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: to that's kind of got me into yeah, totally different things,

1280
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: amazing presenting jobs, yeah, and hosting, and I absolutely love it,

1281
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 2: Like it's so much fun. I really do love that.

1282
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because I actually think about when

1283
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: I was really young and I really wanted to be

1284
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: like a theater kid. Like I remember like there was

1285
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: a thing going through town in like Hobart. There was

1286
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: like must have been like a young Talent time thing

1287
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: or something.

1288
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember like pleading to.

1289
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: Mom to like take me to this interview, take me

1290
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: to this you know, audition, And I remember being there

1291
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: and like lining up with all these other kids and

1292
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: they're like you know, perform, and I'm like, I have

1293
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: no skill talent, and so I just remember being mortified

1294
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: and very upset, and Mum later it came out, she's like, oh,

1295
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: thank god. I did not want to be one of

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01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: those moms. I did not want to. Yeah, I was

1297
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: not signing up for that, but so part of me

1298
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: kind of I think I sort of had an element

1299
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: to that, Like I kind of liked the idea of

1300
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: presenting and like, you know, but I didn't have a skill.

1301
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: Now you do.

1302
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: That's the full circle and so now I kind of do.

1303
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: Something that I love. I love being in front of

1304
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: the camera and I actually really like because it's such

1305
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: a powerful way to tell stories. And I think at

1306
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: the end of the day, that's always what I've loved,

1307
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: and it's about finding different avenues in order to do

1308
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: those things that I love, which is just tell stories.

1309
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, nothing makes me happier than seeing people who

1310
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: found their happiness and who can who have gone out

1311
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: and like despite any barriers of uncertainty and imposter syndrome

1312
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: and like why you know, the conventional way that you

1313
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: should start up business and all of those things, you're

1314
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: doing it every day and it's so enriching and exciting

1315
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: and fulfilling.

1316
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: It is. However, I will say I often find myself

1317
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: going what am I doing with my life because of

1318
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: the fact that I'm not doing anything conventional and that

1319
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: my life is so random, and I'm like, what is

1320
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: my what am I doing? So I do I can't

1321
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 2: say that everything's amazing. I often have moments where I'm like,

1322
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: what am I doing with my life? Literally, I'm that

1323
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: thirty seven year old that doesn't have the correct brows.

1324
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what she's still problem out of my life.

1325
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: But I also think maybe what helped the rest of

1326
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: the world catch up a little bit faster than they

1327
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: otherwise would have in this realm of like embracing uncertainty

1328
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: is COVID is a pandemic and showing that uncertainty is

1329
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: always going to leave you with this deep seated worry

1330
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: of like, oh, but what's coming next? But we're stuck

1331
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: with uncertainty because that the world moves that fast, and

1332
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: once you learn to embrace it and like, yes you

1333
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: do have to deal with the odd freak out. But

1334
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: when nothing certain, anything is possible. And that's the most

1335
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: exciting thing about being alive, right.

1336
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: Now, and I think it. I think anyone that was

1337
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 2: feeling unhappy with what they were doing, probably COVID was

1338
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: almost that blessing in disguise to be like, you know what,

1339
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: do I really like want to be doing this for

1340
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: the rest of my life and then the.

1341
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: Let's do house to us exactly.

1342
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: I honestly think that, and I do like COVID has

1343
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: changed things for a lot and it's changed it for

1344
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 2: me and even more so, I'm focused on my lifestyle

1345
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: even more than ever, and it's about I think now

1346
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: also slowing down and actually making sure that I do

1347
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: the things that I really want to do, but also

1348
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 2: making sure that I do make time for myself as well,

1349
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: because I do work very hard. I think behind the scenes,

1350
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 2: I do work hard to make hunting Goo jobs look

1351
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: amazing and just very happy. It's a very positive space

1352
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 2: and that's always what I want it to be. But

1353
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: there's a lot of that goes on behind the scenes

1354
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: that people probably don't know or understand about what it

1355
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: might take to kind of put some things together. But

1356
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 2: like the Renovation series for example, Oh my god, the

1357
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: last two that I did, I was like ready to

1358
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: like shrivel and football and die, but I was like,

1359
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: I have to get up and smile at the camera

1360
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 2: and make a joke because that's what I do. And

1361
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm not about putting negativity into the world. I want

1362
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: to put positivity into the world, and I want to

1363
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 2: inspire other people and that's literally what drives me. And

1364
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, so sometimes when I'm feeling really crappy, I

1365
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 2: have to strap on a smile and kind of face.

1366
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 2: But in a way, that was a tough time for me.

1367
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: But the amount of people that have said to me,

1368
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: I loved what you did there and that made me

1369
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 2: do this, or you know that's now inspired me to

1370
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: do this with my home, that just makes it all

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01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: kind of worthwhile as well.

1372
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: So and I think that is really important that even

1373
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: if you are in a really positive environment and your

1374
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: work output is a really of a really positive nature,

1375
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: and I find the same, which is yours. Yeah, well,

1376
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: you do get sometimes positivity fatigue, you do. And I

1377
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: think what is important is that you have an outlet

1378
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: somewhere to acknowledge the tougher times, like anxiety. I am

1379
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: the same, I have quite crippling anxiety at times, and

1380
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: being able to acknowledge that a joyful and fulfilling and happy.

1381
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: Life doesn't involve the absence of those things. It just

1382
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: involves being able to come back from them, yes, and

1383
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: to sit with them and know that there's a role

1384
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: for bad days when we're not all meant to be

1385
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: happy all the time. I know I would be so

1386
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: boring that way.

1387
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: That is exactly right. I think I probably need to

1388
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: get better at that as well, because I'm very curated

1389
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 2: with hunting for George. Probably my personal sort of side

1390
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 2: that I show is a bit more open, but hunting

1391
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: for George, I'm always just very keen for it to

1392
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 2: be positive. Yeah.

1393
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: So, and that's great because you've chosen a delineation between

1394
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: your work and your personal page, and you know that

1395
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: you have different outlets for different things, and that balance

1396
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: is going to look different for every person life structure

1397
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 1: as long as you have it somewhere. Yes, exactly important thing.

1398
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: So that actually leads really nicely to the last section,

1399
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: which is your playta. And that is particularly for people

1400
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: who are passionate about their job. In the loop of life,

1401
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: we often then miss out on finding passion or joy

1402
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: anywhere else because why would you need to You love

1403
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: what you do, but I think to be a good

1404
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: creative person, you need distance. Sometimes, you need a refresher.

1405
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: You need to have an activity that makes you forget

1406
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: your deadlines or your output, or your deliverables or whatever

1407
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: it may be. Even if you love your job, I

1408
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: think even more so, you need activities outside of your

1409
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: work and outside of productivity and being busy that make

1410
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: you happy. So how do you play? Do you make

1411
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: time for anything that's like totally unrelated.

1412
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: I do make time. I need to probably make more time,

1413
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: But like you said, creative people often love what they do,

1414
01:08:54,520 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 2: so they work a lot. My escape is yoga. I

1415
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 2: love it. I fell in love with it like three

1416
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 2: years ago and I'm just obsessed with it. That's the

1417
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 2: meditation that's like my and my former therapy. If I

1418
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: can keep that up, I don't have to go to

1419
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 2: a therapy much cheaper, much cheaper.

1420
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I love yoga.

1421
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 2: That's my place where I literally come away from that

1422
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, I feel like centered

1423
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: and grounded. But I must admit, we've just achieved a

1424
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: pretty big goal. My husband and I just bought a

1425
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 2: place down the coast, which is something that we've been

1426
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: dreaming about for like a good We've been together for

1427
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 2: oh like ten years, and so we've been dreaming about

1428
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: it for like age and we've finally done it, and

1429
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 2: it was it's it's I can't describe it, but being

1430
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: removed from this house, being removed from the city, and

1431
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 2: I think probably COVID has probably pushed us towards this anyway,

1432
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: there's just a cutoff where I just feel like I'm

1433
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 2: actually disconnected from the to do list. Yeah yeah, and

1434
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 2: it's almost like I needed to literally physically distance myself.

1435
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 2: But being there makes me happy. It's just a different timeline.

1436
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: It's reading a book or it's not actually looking at

1437
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 2: my phone or Instagram, and it's just slower and it's

1438
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: you know, padding a cow going to the baby buddy. Hey,

1439
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: it's literally a completely different lifestyle and I literally feel

1440
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: and I act like a totally different person. And that

1441
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,879
Speaker 2: at the moment is my like, oh my god, when

1442
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: am I back down there? That's my escape and that's

1443
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 2: something that I'm excited. I've literally only been there for

1444
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 2: like three weeks and it's already something I really need

1445
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: to get back there. So that actually is going to

1446
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 2: be my focus for me making more time to slow down,

1447
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: because I don't do that at.

1448
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: All, Sarah. I know, we've literally been trying to record

1449
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: this for like eight years, like since we first met,

1450
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: because either one of us is like not in the

1451
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: stage doing some filming.

1452
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 2: I feel so bad, but we're busy creatures. But yes,

1453
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 2: I it's good to slow down. So that is my

1454
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 2: little save zone. I think that's what I yeah.

1455
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: And it is. It's hard when you do a job

1456
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel like work as well, like it's something

1457
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: you would do. I would renovate for fun. I would

1458
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: do house tours for fun, for free because it's fun,

1459
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,560
Speaker 1: which makes you not necessarily categorize that you need a

1460
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: break from it because it's joyful. But then I think

1461
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: also creatives need new material, which meant you need brain

1462
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: space to do that, and you can't if you're on

1463
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: all year, You're not gonna have a fresh idea.

1464
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Oh my god, how good is being off?

1465
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: So good? Except that when I do switch off all

1466
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: the way, like over easter, then you feel bad. Not

1467
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: only I don't feel bad, I don't feel bad enough

1468
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,719
Speaker 1: to start up again, and then I'm like fucking work.

1469
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: Either extreme, I'm either like a really lazy.

1470
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm yes, there is no middle. That was so annoying,

1471
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: isn't it. I wish I could be one of those

1472
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 2: people that worked like really well every day and like

1473
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: worked really sensible hours. I'm like, I'm doing it, or

1474
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 2: I'm doing nothing at all. I'm I'm lying on the couch,

1475
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 2: like just like watching something that's not designed for me,

1476
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,520
Speaker 2: a really bad Netflix series.

1477
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: And like watched a herd of cows for an hour.

1478
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: I just was watching them because I was like, look

1479
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: how funny you guys are when your little committee meeting

1480
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: over there. And I was so in the moment. Like

1481
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: once I detached from my phone, which takes me a

1482
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: few days, Yeah, I can't reattach when I need to.

1483
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: So like the first couple of days back at work,

1484
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: people like, what the fuck are you even? Like can

1485
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: you check your emails? You know you have deadlines and stuff?

1486
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: And I'll be like, what do you mean my phone?

1487
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm just being present in my life. Leave me alone,

1488
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: So I can't like switch between them.

1489
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: Very so true.

1490
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

1491
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I totally get that.

1492
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: Second last question, what are three interesting things about you

1493
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,839
Speaker 1: that don't normally come up in conversation.

1494
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 2: How I buy my nails?

1495
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: You a nail?

1496
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I'm nervous or if I'm drinking, I buy

1497
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 2: my nails. That's a horrible habit. People don't know that

1498
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: about me.

1499
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,839
Speaker 1: I'm also like, you have to put your hand in filming,

1500
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,879
Speaker 1: like touching surfaces and stuff. Don't you need nice nails?

1501
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I basically do my nails all the

1502
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: time because I like do them, and then the next

1503
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 2: day I'll bite them off, so you have to I

1504
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,560
Speaker 2: read them all the time. I'm mega into astrology.

1505
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh loveish like oh yeah.

1506
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: Like the whole kitten kerboodle. I am obsessed. I'm to

1507
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: the point where I'm probably too obsessed, and I literally

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Speaker 2: make some business decisions based on what the moons are doing.

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Speaker 1: I think that's quite reasonable, is it good? I mean

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01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: the moons have been there for longer than we have.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I would never sign anything when Mercury

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01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:54,879
Speaker 2: is in retrograde.

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01:13:54,920 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: I'm never right, never never goal you know, if anyone

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 1: better business, I think, seriously, just about the instincts.

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01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: It's about astrology. Yeah, get your apps sorted and read

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01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 2: them every day.

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01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: But seriously, for the ages, people have no people go

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01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: batshit crazy when I'm like fully obsessed.

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 2: As for the third thing, I don't know. Ask me

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01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: another weird question.

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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: What would John O say? Is your weirdest habit other

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01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: than astrology? Like do you do any weird sleep things?

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just a mega if so like often during sleep,

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01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: like I'm like the lucky cat. So like my my

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01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 2: my hand, yeah yeah, and it's just like he keeps

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01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 2: having to put it down, and I put it up

1527
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 2: because then that's my snoring position. I'm a snorer and

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01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 2: then like my hands above my head. So he's continually

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01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: like levering my hand down and I was.

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: Like a cat mate, Come on, he stars say that

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01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: I should have my hand facing yours us. Yeah, exactly.

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01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,759
Speaker 2: We've a lot of ground, far ground.

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01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: I told you. It's just like a chat between mates.

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01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: We'll go anywhere. It was.

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01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: People are always like, is anything I can't say? And

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01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 1: I'm not swear. I'm like you told me anything bodily

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01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: functions anything, it's all joy.

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because we're only telling you right, no one

1539
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 2: else is listening to this.

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01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a bad thing. I forget. We can't see

1541
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: an audience, so I just say shit, and I'm like,

1542
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, why did I tell these people that

1543
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: think about me?

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01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 2: I know, well, I feel like people probably know a

1545
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 2: little bit more about me now.

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01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I feel very privileged and very last question,

1547
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: what's your favorite quote? Oh?

1548
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm actually not big on motivational quotes. However,

1549
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: there is one quote that sticks with me because my

1550
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 2: grandmother told it to me when I was younger, and

1551
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 2: she said, a good craftsman never blames his tools. And

1552
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 2: I think she said it to me because at the time,

1553
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: I was trying to juggle and I'm stuffed up and

1554
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 2: I'm I must have been like, it's not my fault,

1555
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: it's the things. And then kind of stuck with me

1556
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: because I made her explain it and I loved it.

1557
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 2: It's very like, you know, no excuses, don't blame what

1558
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: you've got. You've got to be responsible for your own

1559
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: actions and your outcomes.

1560
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: And that's a great one.

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of something that I've sort of stuck

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01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 2: to and lived by. You've got to be responsible, get

1563
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 2: out there. It's not very motivational, it's.

1564
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: Very thought provoking. And since you are also literally on

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01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: the tools now, also, it's got lots of meaning. It

1566
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 1: does it doesn't work.

1567
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 2: It's your fault.

1568
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 3: Like literally, it's like we're busted. Pie. A toilet is

1569
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 3: leaking because of you. Well, thank you so much for

1570
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 3: doing your second ever podcast, telling.

1571
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: The story so beautifully. You are a beautiful storyteller. And

1572
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: it's just been such a pleasure to follow since before

1573
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: both of us were married and before you close the

1574
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: retail store. Like, it's been a really long time following.

1575
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: Individual, how'sn't it? Well? Thank you for asking me the

1576
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: questions and letting me share my story.

1577
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: It's been a fleas fascinating, fascinating And if anyone has

1578
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: not watched before, what is the Gateway drug video they

1579
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: should watch? Is there like a house tour that's like

1580
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: your favorite?

1581
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: Oh? Jump onto hunting for George YouTube? And look an

1582
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 2: M Houses was a recent one that we did and

1583
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: I literally finished filming that and I just said to

1584
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 2: Dohn that was the best letter seem we've ever done,

1585
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 2: and I absolutely love it. So jump on, have a

1586
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 2: look at A and M houses. It was an amazing

1587
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 2: home on Fairlight Beach in Sydney. It was absolutely cranky.

1588
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: It was just the best. Okay, go look at that

1589
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: I'll have a link in the show notes to go

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01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: right now. Thank you, lovely you So if you like

1591
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: me and a door going down a little home in

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01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: spo Pinterest wormhole in your spare time, Hunting for George

1593
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: is that on steroids. So I've included all the links

1594
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: in the show notes for you to go on a

1595
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: wonderful little adventure with Lucy. I love homewares and was

1596
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 1: sad when Hunting for George closed their retail arm initially,

1597
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: but I can absolutely see it blossoming in this new

1598
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: iteration and delivering for us even bigger and better than before.

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